that. senator rubio: i will put them down as undecided on the tax plan. i do not think conservatives -- it comes down to the child tax credit and i would say two things about that. if we eliminated this tax credit the most he would get was maybe 2% reduction in the rate if you want to reduce [inaudible] this is not a redistribution. this money does not belong to the government in the first place. there is a penalty for those who are raising children. senator lee described it in the outset. he described two identical families, one raising four children and the other making a decision not to. the one with children has additional costs but they are contributing to america's future and the tax code does not recognize that. you cannot redistribute what already belongs to.

in this case this is money that these families are earning and i am looking forward to a vibrant debate. i am glad the conservative movement has space for this kind of vibrant debate. i am a huge supporter of what everything reagan did. i also think we need to recognize the 21st century has some difficult in -- some significant differences in the era in which he governed. globalization israel real and we need to stay globally repetitive and recognize in the 21st century, families face challenges that were not there in the 20th. it would be difficult to do that in the 21st century because of what those jobs paid. eventually my father would have had to become an electrician or welder. my mother would have to become a dental hygienist or paralegal in order to live comfortable lifestyles. a great time. the last time the miami dolphins

were in the super bowl was in the 1980's. one of the things conservatives have been about is common sense and reform and this is a commonsense reform about the realities of a new era that we live in and conservatism added core -- at its core, it works better in the 21st century than he did in the 20th. senator lee: this is not a turn away from ronald reagan. this is emulating ronald reagan. conservatism always involves applying conservatives approaches to meet the challenges of our time and this is the next stage of the limitation of ronald reagan's vision. in which we have a fairer, simpler tax code and that is what we have set out to achieve and i think we do that. >> next question. anybody ever here? yes. >> i think there is one point

you are missing that would help you promote the child tax credit . with the exception of emigration, our nation is losing its population. we are under the replacement rate and we should not be shy about helping families to have children because of the reasons you said. we need people paying taxes and supporting the programs that are going eventually bankrupt. i have not heard you talk about in a positive way that we should be supporting childrearing, not for religious reasons but for -- because the country needs the population to support itself. senator lee: marriage and having children is not an activity we ought to be discouraging. the idea behind this is not to subsidize it. it is simply to get rid of

penalty and to level the playing field. the playing field is not level right now with regard to american moms and dads and this is what this is doing. i am not comfortable with describing that as an encouragement, as a promotion as a subsidy. it is not that. we are just taking away a penalty. senator rubio: i have personally done my part. i have four kids. if you go ahead as -- if a business as they were to invest in capital or machines and expansion, they would receive tax benefits for doing so. if a family makes an investment in people, all we are asking is the tax code recognize that as an investment in the future and in -- individuals who will be the cornerstone of america's future. we are not approaching this as someone is going to sit down with their accountant and say what you need to do is make --

have two more kids. it is a reality that raising children that -- is expensive. we won our tax code to recognize that and create parity for families that have decided to take on the important work of raising america's future. >> we have time for one more question. this gentleman had his hand up, than the senators have to go. >> you mentioned conservatives with flatter tax plans. why reform the existing system instead of monumental flat tax that effectively abolishes the irs? senator lee: first of all, love

the idea of abolishing the irs. we are referring to the complexity of the tax code and the corresponding discretion that we give the irs along with that complexity. a century ago, our tax code was about that high. today it stands about 12 feet high. that is a big problem. i said on the joint economic committee. we had a hearing not too long ago when we had a gentleman who was a witness for committee testifying. he had a phd in the u.s. tax code. i feel really bad for that guy. that is his dissertation. that was his focus of his doctoral study. i asked him, do you do your own taxes and he said no and i said why? he said there is no way i could know with certainty that i was getting it right. so the complexity is a big problem. that is what we are trying to achieve here. i love the idea that simplicity that would go along with a single rate taxation system. if we were starting from

scratch, i think that would make an enormous amount of sense. we do, however, have to start with the system that we have rather than the system that my have been had we followed a different course in decades past. i looked at it as i have examined it. i cannot find an effective way to move us to a single rate system that protects america's middle class. that does not involve raising taxes on a whole bunch of middle-class americans and -- but there is a way of doing that with two rates and that is what we do here. we have achieved an enormous amount of simplification and leveling of the playing fields without imposing a middle-class tax hike. senator rubio: the power of the irs is -- the more complexity we build in, the more power we give government to collect taxes or administer laws.

earlier in this conversation someone brought up obamacare and obamacare has forced the irs to add additional employees just to enforce that law. what we're trying to get here is flatter in simpler and thereby easier to administer and thereby reducing the size and scope of the irs and its power but he would have implications on other regulatory agencies that are engaged direct the -- directly or indirectly in the administration of our tax law. >> please join me in thanking senator lee and senator rubio. inc. you. -- thank you. [applause] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014]

>> we will have more road to the white house coverage on friday when the new hampshire republican party kicks off their leadership summit. we expect to hear from in jersey governor chris christie and senator marco rubio. plus former governors. jeb bush. that starts at noon eastern here on c-span. conference continues saturday morning with speeches from senators rand paul and ted cruz. we will also hear from governor scott walker and john kasich and former arkansas governor mike cut a be. live coverage beginning saturday at 10 a.m. eastern.

>> during this month, c-span is pleased to present the winning entries in this year's student cam video documentary competition. studentcam is a competition that encourages middle and high school students to think critically about issues that affect them nation. they were asked to create a video on the three branches and you. how one of the three branches of government has affected them or their community. evan gulach is one of our second price -- second prize winners. >> in america today, there are over 300 million people. in 2012, about 50% of that population were without health insurance to properly cover them in the day of skyrocketing medical costs. it is almost impossible to discuss about -- this situation without discussing health reform. let's talk about it. from here.

obamacare took effect in 2014 in an attempt to remedy the universal -- lack of a universal health care system. i talked to people from all across the board, from royal oak residence in the street to pbs news anchors and others to paint a picture of the impact on the community. >> it has been great for us. we have not found any difficulties. the only thing was and got raised. >> my brother does not have a job and is able to afford obama -- health care. >> i am not happy about the penalty. >> higher costs, less coverage. >> it is not very affordable.

>> it is great. it allowed me to does not have a lot of money to have health care and i was uncovered for many years and i am at the tender age of 53. >> if anyone is trying to give anyone who cannot afford health care health, that is a good thing. >> i received a wide range of spot -- responses. the aca has been mostly beneficial on the individual, especially as it covers people who are previously under -insured. >> that was a real boon. otherwise we would have been without insurance for our two young adults in the family. i am grateful they figured that out for us. >> i will take it. >> there are several million people under 26 who did not health -- have health care and are receiving it through their parents. so many people did not have access to preventive care so they were lots of impacts on the individual lives of people. >> i can say it helped me to save my house and i was

absolutely embarrassed to live in a country where people did not have insurance. as we know, there are lots of people have come into very difficult times through medical costs. some to the point of losing their home or going bankrupt. how it affects our community, it takes -- keeps this neighborhood having joni sanborn is a neighbor. >> in a sense as you talk to people it is unbelievable that we are the only industrial nation in the world which did not have anything like universal health care. >> unfortunately, in order to provide health fair for everyone, the cost has to go somewhere. while there may be a variety of benefits for the individual, the expenses may be deferred on to other individuals or employers which is having damaging effects on businesses which could place dangers -- dangerous implications back to individuals. >> we're finding that everyone is paying more money. >> you have to make a call and say, do i try to cover this for

my employees, do i try to absorb the cost increase to the employee and if i do, will they value it, and if i do, i will not be able to give raises a name may not be able to be competitive. i might not be able to pay bonuses even though someone did a really good job. we are human capital business. with 5700 employees, our costs and assets and people that walk in and out of our door every day. >> i do nothing it is working out too well for a lot of guys that are making 15, 20 bucks an hour and they are paying $200 a week to keep their family insured. i am not a fan of it. >> you cannot raise [inaudible] our health care costs are going up. >> you asked me about whether there has been a learning curve create i would call it more of a learning cliff. >> the problem with that is it is not sustainable. >> we are trying to find our way up that cliff.

>> if i am not investing money in my employees and is this, i am not able to grow. if i am not able to grow, i am not to -- able to retain talent. it is a vicious cycle downward. >> it is a controversial subject in the republican majority is trying to repeal it and dramatic ally undermine it. >> it has been two steps forward and one step back. i think we are making progress. i think people are wrapping their arms around it and seeing some benefits. it just has not been as smooth as one might imagine something like this would be but it is a first. it is a huge undertaking. >> though there are areas for improvement that need to be addressed, for this community, the affordable care act is a step forward. >> i cannot imagine that anyone should worry about whether or not they would go bankrupt or lose their home because of a

medical situation and i think they have turned that around for me. >> each one of those aspects of life that affects everybody. and since health care needs are universal, health care coverage should be universal. >> you see people acting in a way that is fearful and that cannot be good for anything. it is not good for your work, your attitude, your family. and if people are relieved of that fear, that mental or physical health or dental could cause them problems, then i think they can be better people. >> there are different impacts depending on which population you serve. if you have a dense urban core that is incredibly impoverished, you might see bigger impact. it depends on where you look and who you're talking to. that is also the case for most pieces of legislation is there is no uniform success or failure. >> it is as controversy thus

controversy all as social security. now the vast majority of seniors would never dream of wanting medicare to go away. >> we have to go back and revisit the assumptions around how do we make the affordable care act "affordable." >> the results of federal laws and actions can be seen everywhere and with everyone in one way or another. it affect your neighbors, your family, your friend and perhaps this is something from here we can keep in mind when we go back here. >> to watch all the winning videos and learn more, go to c-span.org and click on studentcam. tell us what you think about the issue this student addressed. >> next the conversation about law enforcement and its relationship with the african-american community. then a look at a time magazine article titled "black lives

matter." and john cosco and -- koskinen talks about tax filing. >> this weekend the c-span cities tour has partnered with comcast to learn about the life of saint augustine, florida. >> hea lot of people have said he was out for additional property for the king of spain and colonization attempts and goals which is very decidedly true. we do know that ponce de leon after the ship took on water and wood. this is one of the few freshwater springs around 30 degrees, eight minutes and is also the location of the 1565 first settlement of saint augustine. 42 years before the settlement of jamestown was founded, and 55

years before the pilgrims landed on plymouth rock. >> the hotel ponce daily on is -- de leon was builty by one of the wealthiest men in america. he essentially had been a cofounder of standard oil company, with john d rockefeller . he was a man who always wanted to undertake some great surprise -- enterprise. as it turned out, florida was it. he realized that he needed to own the railroad between jacksonville and saint augustine, to ensure that guests could get to his hotel conveniently. so clearly, the dream was beginning to grow. he was a man who had big dreams.

he was a visionary. >> watch all our events saturday on "book tv" and american history tv on c-span three. >> next a conversation on law enforcement and its relationship with the african-american community. we will hear from benjamin crump who is the attorney for the families of trayvon martin, eric brown. -- trayvon martin and eric brown. next stuff to harris, thank you. we all want to show some appreciation for the fact that you were able to envision the need for this type of forum and to put your money where your mouth was -- where your mouth is as people would say. i know you are very well thought of by many of the elected officials currently in office throughout the country who are students and -- of political

science at howard and you have done a fine job, sir, and we are very proud to be students and associated with you. thank you for this program. [applause] when i was -- i received a phone call and he asked me if i would be the moderator of a panel and i asked him, please tell me what it is about, where it is, and what is going on and he said it is at the school of divinity at howard and i am like, i am in. tell me what the subject matter is and what we are doing and he explained to me as you see the title of what we are talking about today is transitioning from the moment -- from the moment to the movement. analyzing social issues revealed in recent killings of unarmed african americans by law

enforcement and that is a subject matter that if you put your head in the sand, he would still hear the gunshots. you cannot get away from this. when i read that i thought the only issue i would take with this is the fact that we are analyzing social issues revealed in recent -- this is not recent. one of the things i hope that our speaker mr. crump will get into and our respondents will also address is how is it that for so many years with the efforts by the distinguished scholars and lawyers we have had here at howard throughout the century and we have fought so very hard for our civil rights laws and fought so hard for the constitution and laws to equally apply to all of us, how is it that we are still here today talking about recent killings? if you go back and look at the

lynchings and you look at the killings of african-americans throughout the history of this country, this is not a recent phenomenon. i am honored today to be the moderator of a panel that will present to you the views of some very distinguished, highly successful, and well-known lawyers. our lecturer today is attorney benjamin l. crump. if you did not know the name, if you see his face, you will know him from tv. it is not the tv persona that you are going to hear today and it is not the tv persona that has been fighting on some of these issues throughout the country. there is a statement that he makes and i am not going to read the bio that is in the program. you can read that at your leisure. this -- there is a statement that he makes, he understands the practice of law is a privilege that carries responsibilities, and that is one of the issues i hope we all of us get into and talk about today and that is, what is that

responsibility? who owns that responsibility and how should it be applied? he has a long history of fighting for individuals. he has a long history of fighting for civil rights. i will not name the individual clients that he has but you know that last year, when the world was dealing with the shooting death of trayvon martin and the trial of trayvon martin and the acquittal of george zimmerman, that there was an attorney standing beside the family attorneys standing with the family, speaking on behalf of that family, and making people appreciate the issues, whether you agree with the issues or disagree, attorney crump has been successful at in bringing these issues to the forefront of american society. you will see him equally on cnn, on abc, nbc today, msnbc, and he

is always taking the position fighting for his clients. we also know that mr. crump is recently involved in filing a lawsuit and representation in cleveland, and we have with us the mother of tamir rice samaria rice, who will talk with us about some of those experiences. attorney crump will talk about how it is that the progress -- practice of law is a privilege that carries a great responsibility. in addition, we will have a response by respondents first wanda moore, an assistant attorney general in new jersey. her office focuses on community police -- community and police

partnerships. she spearheads the limitation of community-based crime prevention strategies to reduce truancy. she has also served as director of prisoner reentry programs in the city of newark, and she is the past president and founding member of the thurgood marshall action coalition. already with that introduction, what it is we're trying to say of wanda moore is there is a concept out there called community policing. you are familiar with that concept, aren't you? community policing is a concept and its basic form, the police become part of a community as opposed to rolling in when there is trouble. their presence is always there. ms. moore will help us understand that concept am a what policies are being implemented now, and what the strategies are that relate to that.

it is interesting that she will talk about this because some of the allegations and criticisms that i am sure mr. crump will make is that there is a shoot first mentality and i know we will hear about tamir, about who shot -- i was going to say one second of an absurd getting out of the car. we will talk about community policing and training and police conduct, and i know that she will have some rebuttal and some things to add as to what mr. crump will share with us. we also have professor trulear of howard school, the school of divinity. he served as associate professor of the applied the elegy and director of the school since 2003. he was a visiting the sting was presser -- professor -- visiting

distinguished professor. he also held positions at yale geneva college, and jersey city state college. the rest of his bio is contained in the brochure that you have in front of you. i know that he will talk about some of these same reentry programs, some of the impact of prisoners, some of the stigma associated with an arrest and dismissal, and i hope that when we talk about some of these issues we will talk about the fact that sometimes police officers will lock somebody up that may be questionable, have the charges dismissed as soon as they get to the prosecutor's office, but then you have a young person there with a criminal record. ladies and gentlemen, that is -- those are our panelists, and

with that, i will ask mr. crump to, to share his words. our featured lecturer will talk about that transition from the moment to the movement, and the role that lawyers and he play in this transition. mr. crump? [applause] benjamin: thank you, attorney martin. to dean pollack and his administration especially sylvia and gaye and shirley who made me feel so welcome when i arrived at howard university this morning, for the absolute honor of being the charles harris lecturer. i was so moved when i read about

what you did mr. harris, because that's what it is about when we think about what god -- why god gave us the blessings not to keep it to ourselves, but to pass them on so i salute you and i thank you, mr. harris. [applause] before i begin my comments to you, there's a few people i want to recognize who are very dear to me. i have the honor of being the president-elect of the national bar association. [applause] thank you. and billy, i know they say lawyers always trying to bill hours and they have a lot going on but they took time out of their busy schedules to come and be here so i want to acknowledge

one of my personal heroes -- and you all know him well here in d.c., when i was running for president, she gave me advice and told all her friends, this is my horse, i'm going with crump as my candidate. and that is none other than the great allie latimer. ms. latimer, please stand, if you will. when the nba was looked at as an all-boys club, it was allie who said that no we have to remember that the black women were on the front line the whole way. so allie you embody everything we have become as an organization. also, there are others. jennifer margot, cynthia all the lawyers, all the lawyers please stand. i don't want to leave anybody

out. i want all these gals to be with me in los angeles. great lawyers. a lot of times, you know, one or two get the spotlight but really, we're all in this together and we can never forget that and i can never be what i am to be if you're not what you're supposed to be so cynthia, all of you, i thank y'all so much from the bottom of my heart for being here and giving me advice and council. counsel. when you're out on the front lines and you fight in the fight, you need your brothers and sisters to encourage you and give you wisdom that it's hard to see when you're right there in the middle of the battle. billy is a great lawyer but he's

part of a dynamic duo. one of the things -- i'm going to talk to you from the heart. i didn't prepare notes because his wife is one of the great journalists of america and every time i would go on national public radio or tell me more with michelle martin what did i have prepared to say? michelle was going to ask me what she wanted the people to know so y'all give a round of applause to michelle. i mean, she was incredible. when we started the journey with trayvon, she was there from the beginning and i think it was people like her, when some of the other major media didn't particularly think it was important to talk about the life of a young black male. it was michelle martin and so many of her listens -- listeners who continued to push the envelope and said we want to talk about this little black boy who was killed in sanford, florida, who was walking home.

i have a very special person here with us as billy said, and i'm going to talk about it in great detail because if you know the name of trayvon martin, you know the name of michael brown of ferguson. anybody -- if there's a list anyone wants children's names to be added to. trayvon was 17. michael brown was 18. tamir rice was 12 years old. i don't want you to take ben crump's word for it. i don't want to take my most abled co-counsel walter madison's word for it. i want you to look at the video for yourself. it's on youtube. just google the name on the internet and you see the video of her, her baby, her baby boy,

her last child was taken from her and you will know that when the grand grand jurors convened in cleveland, ohio, some time in the next few months, the face of police brutality in america will be that of a 12-year-old child a baby, tamir rice. we have his mother here with us. ms. samaria rice y'all please give her a round of applause and your prayers. thank you and i'm so happy that we have so many people here, especially the young people. i saw you come in from the back. i know you were coming from

class, but the young people, we're so happy to be here because this really is about you-all and we are to remember that, you know, billy, i've had the pleasure of speaking to 2700 women last night and not too far from here in richmond, virginia, as the a.k.a. mid atlantic regional conference and it was so interesting that all the media folks showed up and they said mr. crump, we know you got this conference and you're talking to these women but why aren't you talking with the young black men and trying to say what they got to do, the obligation -- almost trying to shift the burden to us. you know michelle, it's always they try to find the reason to try to justify killing our children and putting the problem

on us. and i remember telling all these sisters out there what we have to do and it's so important that we remember our children are watching us and the whole world are watching our responses and so i told them from the very beginning that, we're here with these women speaking up for our children standing up for our children, defending our children, willing to fight for our children and if need be ready to die for our children because they're our children and you're not going to be allowed to tell our children that they can't be children. you know, they're trying to demonize trayvon martins of the world, demonize michael browns. i don't know how they're going to try to demonize tamir rice, a 12-year-old kid, but as i stand here dr. harris, i can guarantee you this, being part of the criminal justice system that we're a part of, they're going to try to blame tamir rice

for what you see in that video. so i stopped my comments. they said, after i got them off of that, talking about what message are you giving to young black men and for all these sisters, and i said, and they said why do you take on these cases, why do you keep making these issues, you know, these controversial issues? and i remember thinking i looked at the newspaper in richmond, virginia and it was the same headline, walter, all across america, and they said because of what just happened to walter scott in north charleston, south carolina, the headline read, "black men still targets." and so i told him without even saying a word, this is why i take on the cases i take on but i have a news flash for you. it's not just black men.

it's black women. it's black boys and it's black girls. it's brown boys, it's brown girls. and, yeah, i said, it would be so easy for us to look the other way. we comfortable, we making money you know we got these fancy law degrees and stuff, but as i stand here at the school of divinity at howard university, wouldn't god be ashamed of us if we didn't use the blessings and the talents and the education and everything he's given us to not stand up for the least of ye, to not stand up for our little brothers and sisters who are looking to our community and screaming out to us, for leadership, screaming out to the lawyers, screaming out to the

preachers, the doctors, all those people who sacrificed for us to get these degrees. and the one time they need us, we look the other way and say i'm not going to get involved in that, it's too controversial. i'm not going to get involved in that because i wonder what they'll say at my job. so it is for these reasons that we have to speak up because it's not just the black men. when i think about it, you know, trajob was 17. michael brown, 18. i remember being very honest with them, brothers and sisters i said the reason i take these cases is because 17-year-old trayvon martin mattered as he laid on that ground dead in sanford, florida, in that gated community with a bullet hole

through his hoodie where his heart was located. michael brown, 18 years old, in ferguson missouri, mattered, as he laid on the ground dead in broad daylight in ferguson, missouri, for over four hours. tamir rice's life mattered. 12 years old. playing with a toy gun, who he had got from his friend. attorney madison, we went through painstaking measures, allie, to make sure america understood that even though everybody knows police officers are trained to de-escalate situations, certain times in certain communities for whatever reason billy, they use

different procedures, seems like to escalate situations. and so when you watch that video in cleveland ohio, the police officer comes up in such a reckless way. i mean, he's driving that police cruiser that if there were other children at that playground, my god, we probably would be dealing with more than just one if a tilt. iffatality and they pulled up driving recklessly and within less than two seconds from the car stopping, two seconds, they made a decision, they didn't try to give any verbal commands even though they would have us believe, if you take their word for it, that they yelled three

times at him to drop the weapon and put his hands up. they would have you believe that but don't take my word for it. go google tamir rice and watch the video yourself and you decide whether they really gave that child a chance to surrender. i think tamir, like trayvon went to his grave never knowing what he had did wrong. so in less than two seconds they got out and you see tamir falling over, and i know this is very emotional samaria, and i apologize, but we got to let people know the story because if not, they'll just sweep it under the rug. and so, tamir, this 12-year-old baby is down there on the ground in the snow in cleveland, ohio, and there at the community center and samaria will tell

you how normal that day was when she gets the opportunity to speak to you, but his sister, his 14-year-old sister, tarjay, she came running out of the community center with the other children, and she is crying and it's so riveting to me. she's screaming, "they killed my baby brother, they killed my baby brother" and the other children have their cell phones out and they are recording it and one of the young men says, no no, he's not dead, he's still moving. and i'm listening to this cell phone, i'm saying, oh, my god how terrible this is for this little 14-year-old child. but it gets worse. when they finally get to the tragic scene where her brother has been killed and she's screaming "they killed my baby

brother," the police officers would like to say well, this 12-year-old looked like an adult so we didn't know. but at this point when his 14-year-old sister runs up, screaming "they killed my baby brother," they now know this is a child and this is obviously his sister because she's screaming "they killed my baby brother" and what humanity do they offer this little black girl? what kind of comfort? what kind of counsel do they try to extend to tarjay? well the fortunate thing attorney madison and i have in this case now is the fact that the video surveillance keeps running and so we get to see not only what they do to tarjay but also what they do to samaria when she arrives on the scene and her brother, and we get to

get a vantage point into the mentality of these police officers on that tragic day, and what they do to tarjay, this 14-year-old girl, who sees her brother lying on the ground just been shot kicking in the snow. they manhandle her. they tackle her not once. but when she tries to get back on the ground, they tackle her again and she's just trying to get to her baby brother. and to add insult to injury they then put handcuffs on her and it's all on the video. don't take my word for it. they drag her in the snow, in the same police cruiser that you see them just manage to go get out of the car and shoot her baby brother they put her in the back seat of that police

cruiser handcuffed where she lays there watching her baby brother kicking in the snow dying. and they then try to justify it, in the answer to our complaint, right, attorney madison, by saying 12-year-old tamir rice is responsible because he should have been more careful. and so when the reporters asked me last night, why do i do this, why do i do this, i think of my own children, i think of sybrina fulton at the first million hoodie rally when she said, all nervous out there -- excuse

me -- in new york city, she said, thank you all for standing up for my son, trayvon martin. but he's not just my son -- thank you bill -- but he's not just my son. he's your son. he's all our son. because if it can happen to my child, it can happen to your child. and we all got to stand up for our children. we all got to stand up for justice. and i'm here to tell you i'm trying to go tell it on the mountains to everybody. don't think that it can't happen to your child. remember trayvon was in a gated community. all these affluent bourgeois african americans of today, they like to think oh, that's just something that happened in the hood. well, it's happening more and more in these suburbs because they don't think you-all, your

children, supposed to be there. and when they see your children, black and brown faces, they don't distinguish anything from the people who they think are bad people because they live in the hood. they just see blad. black. they just see brown, they just see color. and in a matter of seconds, sometimes two, they make a life-or-death decision and it's not just the police. it's the qausi police like the george zimmermans, neighborhood watch folks, making these decisions that our children are being taken from us. and then we look, and i'm talking from the heart -- then we look at what happened in south carolina. "time" magazine called me, billy, and they said, you know,

crump, you've been on these cases now all over america. we want you to write an op-ed piece about what this means what this video means dr. harris and so i thought about it, and it's on time.com and it's going to be in their magazine coming out next week the article that i wrote. and i chose the title "will america finally challenge the standard police narrative?" and y'all know what the narrative is. "oh, i felt threatened," "i felt my life was in danger." the unarmed person of color reached for my weapon so i had to kill him. and they keep justifying these things based on just this narrative, the sanction of killing of innocent people of

color, all over america, in every city it's happening. and it's the same narrative over and over. and they just accept it as the gospel. and it's just tragic because when you really think about it, no matter how ridiculous it is they still accept that narrative our children our boys have been shot in the back multiple times but the police say, i felt in fear of my life, so they justify, sweep it right up under the rug. people get shot in the back of the head but they say, i felt in fear of my life. they sweep it right -- people handcuffed and they say, i was in fear of my life, sweep it right up under the rug. and i'm here to declare to you all, they were on their way to

doing that in south carolina. i mean, they had already -- the standard police narrative was there. he said, he reached for my taser i'm thinking but, you shot him in the back five -- how many times? audience: eight. benjamin: so he reached for your taser but obviously he's running away from you. why do you feel your life is in danger? i mean it's happening all over america. alicia thomas in los angeles lapd, she was handcuffed and shackled and the police killed her. they say, we felt in fear of our life. and they tried to sweep it right up under the rug. so when will america challenge the narrative? we hope they say, do you think because this video is so defined that it will change? and i keep saying, well, it didn't change for tamir rice.

it didn't change for eric gardener. it change for antonio zambrano martez in washington, the hispanic version of mike brown, broad daylight, he puts his hands up and the police shoot him seven times. we saw it all on video. it didn't change for floyd dent in inkster, michigan. that's where the 57-year-old man who was driving his car, who had never committed any crime in his life retired from ford, and the police stopped him, beat the hell out of him and then if you believe mr. dent, planted cocaine in his car, and they took him to jail and he said no no, take a drug test, take my hair, do whatever, i've never used drugs in my life and he said, i didn't do anything,

these police officers attacked me and then when you look in the background of the police officers who attacked him he had then charged before with planting evidence, he was found not guilty but they charged him in detroit and now he was with a small suburb police department and so you ask yourself, why don't we ever listen to our community versus just accepting the narrative? they accepted the narrative on floyd dent. he went to jail. he was well on his way of being convicted as a felon and then the video came out and you saw what these guys did and you saw the evidence being planted. and so why do we keep accepting the standard police narrative? he was threatening, i felt in fear of my life. it keeps happening over and over again. let me back up for one quick second. tamir rice case, the shooter

you should have pulled my coattail. the shooter, the person who shot tamir rice in less than two seconds had been previously forced to resign from a neighboring police department because they said he was unfit to be a police officer, and that he was untrainable. it didn't matter how much training he went to, they said he was untrainable. but yet he kills tamir rice in less than two seconds and the district attorney still don't say there's enough probable cause to charge him, we got to go to this secret grand jury proceeding and we know from ferguson and staten island, if you didn't know now, us lawyers we all know, you send it to the grand jury when you want a case to die, when you don't want to bring charges. so we just got to be real here.

i'm going to make a few more points and i know the panel's going to have some great responses but i'm talking to you from the heart because it just matters. our children lives just matter. our brothers and sisters' lives just matter and we talk about transitioning from the moment to the movement, i think all those phone calls when they first called, when these people are dealing with the worst hour of their life in many instances. they've lost a husband. they lost a wife. they've lost a son or a daughter. and those moments are just -- i think about tracy martin and trayvon. you just never can get that sound out of your head that phone call when they first call

and, you know, they try sometimes to stereotype black men as if we don't love our children and we don't accept our -- i'm hear to tell you tracy martin loved his son trayvon. and when he was on that call -- y'all remember tracy as a manly man. he drives trucks and he has the body and the beard. the women like to look at him. and tracy was on that phone and i mean when he said about the neighborhood watch volunteer with a 9 millimeter gun killed my son when he was walking home from the 7-eleven, it's almost like he was whispering. so when you see this on tv, this real manly man i mean, it's the sound of heartbrokenness just

hopelessness. he was shattered. what he was telling me was that would have done it they were violent, and me being an officer of the court, i was almost debating saying, you don't need me mr. martin, give it a couple of days because your son is walking with a bag of skittles and can of iced tea and the neighborhood watch volunteer has a 9 millimeter gun and shoots him in the heart, i'm like, no, your child, unarmed body the smoking gun in the self confessed killer's hand, i'm like, of course they're going to arrest them. i really believed that. i'm an officer of the court. you know, i see, in our community, people in court get arrested every day with no evidence at all, with an

innuendo of somebody said you looked like them you know. they thought you was in the area. and they arrest. you had all the evidence. probable cause is such a low standard to just at least arrest them and give us our due process, give us our day in court, our constitutional rights. this whole notion that it's equal and fair and whatever happens to anybody in america we treat them all the same. so i'm believing that and mr. martin says, no, they said they're not going to arrest him because this stand your ground thing. and at that point we all have to make a decision, y'all. we have to make a decision, when nobody's watching, when there's no cameras there's no crowd you know, there's no million hoodie rally nobody said, i am trayvon, president obama hasn't said if i have a son he would

look like trayvon. lebron james haven't put on the hoodie with the miami heat and said we are all trayvon, before any of that happened, before the petition and 2.7 people signed the petition saying a little black boys life matters before that, it was that father on the phone and i had to make a decision whether i was went to answer the bail. and we all have to make that decision, whether we are going to answer the bail. when no one is watching but god. and when you do that god just takes over from there. you don't know what god has planned until you answer the bell to do right. he is going to help you along the way. i think about how trayvon became

this worldwide phenomenon. you answer the bell and you just don't know what is going to happen. people in japan talking about from tokyo to ferguson, justice. you just never know it is going to happen. don't think you can't make a difference. you can make a difference. talking to all of you, young and old alike, established people there is a michael brown in every community in america. there is a tamir rice, a trayvon , a alisha thomas, and the list can go on and on, in every community. when you hear about these black boys getting shot in the back by police officers, boys being handcuffed and killed, we don't do anything.

and if you just wrote a letter to the editor with your position in your stature that would make someone look a little farther into the matter. if you just did anything and thank god for the young people and i know c-span is covering this stuff. the young man who said i can make a difference, it was a howard law school student who called my office. we couldn't get anybody to cover it. ok, a little black boy got killed. why is that new worthy/? it's always like a cliche little black boys getting killed. but it was a neighborhood watch volunteer. i just thought a neighborhood

watch volunteer can kill an unarmed child and nobody thinks this is a big deal? it was this boy at howard university because the young people got on social media and they started talking about this kid coming up -- after reading your article on trayvon, i want to start a petition online to see if that can help because i just feel we've got to do something. and i want to get your permission and see if it was ok. and as his families permission. anything you can do will help. and that kid, that one kid who thought i need to do something started the largest petition in the history of chinese.org. they still haven't gotten

anywhere close to getting 2.7 million people to take the time and fill out the form to sign the petition. but that was all because of one howard university student saying i can make a difference. that kid give the best example of how we change a moment into a movement. you just step up and you try to do right. [applause] thank you, god bless you. ; thank you very much for those words on those thoughts.

miss rice, i know it is very painful, as father of four children, i worry every time he is out. i know a lot of parent you have lack sons, we worry about our children, but we worry about our little black boys. a lot has been written about what is going on with you and your family. we you feel comparable sharing from your perspective something about tamir? can you tell us something about your son, something about that day? can you take a minute? will you help me welcome miss rice? [applause]

ms. rice: can you hear me/? i first want to say i have a god in my understanding and that is the only way that i am standing along with the support nation and my family supporting me right now. i am grateful to be here and i am honored to be here and thank you for welcoming me here. a little about tamir, he was the investor four. -- he was the youngest of four.

he was my special child. he was very bright and very talented in a lot of things. you know, you always want your kids to succeed in things that they do along with your help. of course, i played a major part with his schooling being at his school, making sure he was at afterschool activities so he wouldn't have to be on the street. you know what i am saying? just give him some structure. and i believe in that a lot. but you can't watch every second -- you can't watch every second, things that your children do unfortunately. he had a promising career. loved all sports and a great swimmer. a helper, he was a helper at his school. by him being so tall, maybe

almost as tall as -- even the tallest one in his school, even in six grade, he was as tall as the eighth graders, as tall as they was. sometimes, they would call tamir to get things off the shelf and stuff like that. they kind of worked with me with him and i was grateful for that. as i said, a great helper. he was just helping them with halloween, a little program over at the recreation center across the street from my house. so everybody loved him up there. below community knew him. i had been there almost a year.

but i just tried to do the best i can as a single mom. i am a human being and i am a vulnerable human being at this point. people like me, where i come from, the obstacles that i had to go through, sometimes we make it, but a lot of times we don't. that's why i invest so much of my kids. i knew there was going to make it. my other three children, they are going to make it too, but i knew my son had a promising career. that is all i could tell you. he excelled in everything. he had a lot of talent and tricks and just a wonderful kid. a beautiful smile. everywhere i went, they always

said my children were amenable and nice. i take pride in that. i invested a lot in that. i made a lot of sacrifices for myself too, just to make sure they had things that they need. >> why don't you tell them about that day? >> ok. i was robbed of my son's future. let me just say that. it was a normal saturday. i had just fixed lunch for them. they ate their lunch. i gave them a couple of dollars to go to the store. i didn't think nothing of it, just a normal day. free wi-fi up there. they get to play in the gym. a game room. there is staff up there. they can call me if my kids are misbehaving at any time.

i'm on speed aisle. -- on speed dial. like i said, a normal day for me. i got a knock at the door. it had to be 3:30. it had not even been 30 minutes. they had just left out the door. i had a knock at the door and two children said the police just shot your son twice in the stomach. i was in disbelief. no, not my kids. no. my 16-year-old son was there at the time. he was sick. there was snow on the ground, but it was chilly. when i arrived on the scene i was still in disbelief. but when i arrived on the scene, i saw my 12-year-old son laying on the ground. what did he do?

what happened? what is going on? the police told me, as i was trying to get to my son they told me to calm down or they would put me on the back of a police car. my 14-year-old daughter was in the back of the police guar -- the police car in handcuffs. i told them to let her out. they gave me an ultimatum either stay with my 14-year-old or go with my 12-year-old in the amulets. they made me sit in the front seat of the ambulance. my other son, when i arrived on the scene, they put my son in the police car because he was tried to get to his little brother. so i have two children in the police car. then giving me an ultimatum to stay with the 14-year-old or go with the 12-year-old and that is how my day was that day. it has been a nightmare ever since. it's been a nightmare.

we are doing the best we can under the circumstances. i'm sorry. we are doing the best we can under the circumstances. i just never thought i would be in a situation like this ever. i am a mom, you know. i'm vulnerable. and i just never thought -- i am still numb to the situation a lot, y'all. i'm still not, i can't believe it. i'm still waiting for answers. i'm looking for justice. by what i can say is that -- but what i can say is that well, some of the community has created a petition on change.org .

it's to make sure we keep the pressure on the prosecutor for a conviction. also, we have a gofundme account into mere's name for donations if we can. i am planning a community healing festival june 20. tamir's birthday is june 25. he would have been 13. so we are having a community healing. i hope you guys can come june 20. i thank you. [applause] >> first i would like to -- i do a lot of public speaking and moderate a lot of panels and it

is natural and easy for me to get up to speak. i don't know how you did it. thank you. you were in the right place. i know that we will all say, no matter what happened, the idea of seeing your son laying on the ground like that, i know that our prayers are with you and god bless you and your family. >> thank you. >> moving on with our rebuttals i would like to put in the middle of the lawyers a theologian. we will get a chance -- if you don't mind going last, do you? you all right? i want to bring up professor to leader -- professor to come up and talk about these issues. he is going to respond in a way.

but i think you will not hear a lot of people actually disagreeing with these concepts. because these are concepts that i think we are all looking for -- solutions for and they are real everyday issues. refresher, will you take a moment and share some of your thoughts on these issues? [applause] i will set it up -- we set it up first for respondents to speak from the table. but this is easier. professor, this is all yours. trulear: [indiscernible] that's part of the narrative. why at a school of divinity have

this presentation? he named names of people whose lives matter. in the christian tradition we believe that life matters because life is a gift and that all human beings are created in the image of god. so when you take a life, use enough out the image of god. and so every life matters, which means that we need a vocabulary to talk about our young black males and the other constituencies mentioned that does not demonize and does not dehumanize. we have to stop drinking the thug kool-aid. we have to stop with the name-calling and the object defying that we ourselves do with our own. in the name of distancing ourselves from them.

the second thing that came for me out of this, aside from the theology of life matters is that these instances belong to all of us. one of the things that i have been doing over the last 30 years is working at the intersection between religion the faith community in the criminal justice system. i started working in 1977 with first offenders in the say county, new jersey. i taught at sing sing. in all of that time, one of the things that has become very clear to me is that the only reason that this is not every black congregation's issue is because we do not want it to be. we are shamed. we have taken a real-life

situation that is germane to every single african-american congregation in america and turned it into an issue. and folks don't deal with issues. they deal with people. one of the things that we are try to surface is how many of us as human beings are impacte didd by this system. the wages not victims. it's -- the new language is not victims. . it's survivors that means you made it through something. whether you are the survivor of a situation or whether you are someone who has a son or a daughter who is actually in the system. one of the things we don't talk about much is that 80% of all young black males who are incarcerated are also crime survivors. they don't think of themselves that way. but research has discovered that, when you interview young men who have been incarcerated

u.s. them if they have been the victim of crime and they say no. . and then you asked them if you have been jumped for no cause and they all their hands up. how many of your houses have been burglarized and they put their hands up. they are -- they have been victimized. they have expense trauma. unless we engage in how to deal with the trauma, they will repeat it. weighed don't see them as our children. we don't see them as our grandchildren. but i guarantee you, if you were to do a call like i will do in washington this sunday and asked for every parent and every grandparent who has a child's that has been impacted by this system whether it is a wrongful incarceration, a wrongful arrest or by an incarceration or an arrest i yearn to you that

between one third and one half of the congregation will come forward. this is our issue. i don't have one of those rides to riches things where you grew up in the word and you go to jail and you meet jesus. i went to jesus before i went. and i drank the shame kool-aid. i didn't want anybody to know that i was in trouble. so i gave them a phony nickname. i told them call me doc. it was ok for two weeks until young man came up to me and he said pastor?

i said, i don't know you. [laughter] he said, i used to play drums in your choir. i said, i don't know you. he told me his mother's name. she was on my staff. before i got out of that facility, i met seven young men whose mothers, sisters wives and cousins i had pastored. every single one of those kids on our street are connected to us. and the way that we need to change this from a moment to a movement we had to get the church to understand that those are not somebody else's kids.

the way you turn a moment into a movement is by turning it from an issue to a face. i am not a theologian. i am a sociologist. one of the things we know about sociological research is that congregations, the faith community is not motivated by issues. you can tell the faith community to do this because it is right until you are blue in the face and they won't budge. but if you can link the issue to a face, if you can shift from narratives to names if you can move from numbers to names if you can move from statistics to stories, then you can move the faith community to get involved

and invested, put a face on it and now we got faces. we've got erica garner. we've got trayvon martin. we've got walter scott. we've got faces. the civil rights moment, a one-day boycott in montgomery, became a long-standing movement because it had a face. read martin luther king's speech "launching the boycott in montgomery," and you will find one third of it is look what they did to ms. parks. segregation had been wrong for a long time, but look at what they did to ms. parks. this rumination had been wrong for a long time, but look at what happened to ms. parks. you are right, this is a new. we have had elections. we have had police brutality. we have had bad cops doing bad things to goode people.

that is not new. but today is the day we say look what they did to tamir. [applause] we told you we would have some interesting thoughts for you and some comments. and we have saved our best for last. the reason i say we have saved our best for last is the concept of community policing. it is a concept that was once believed to have been one of the best techniques for controlling conduct in a community, not crime, conduct. if someone is selling dope down the street everybody between the houses knows who is selling that stuff. if summit has committed a crime in your neighborhood, everybody knows who is committing those crimes.

the best way to figure out what is going on in a community is to ask the community. with that, i want to bring in an assistant -- an assistant attorney general who has put a lot of her efforts into understanding these crimes and not just accepting that they have occurred, but trying to see what happens tomorrow with either reentry, community aspects, second chances. with that, assistant attorney general moore, will you share with us? [applause] moore: i want to start with thanking the howard family for having us here and to our distinguished guests. i particularly wanted to thank you dr. harris in allowing us to be a part of this process. i also want to thank and if her in nashua johnny may now. we have a quick -- i want to

thank jennifer nash who is joining me now. we have a quick powerpoint presentation. we have been figuring out what needs to be done by having partnerships in communities, talking to law enforcement having conversations, talking to use, having an understanding of what the issues are and taking a look at the data and putting the pieces together and think of some strategies that we think makes sense. i do want to share the first one. a particular, this is raised here today because these are face partners. we did a lot of work all around the state. we have one in particular called fugitive safe surrender. it was started by the united states marshals service. the united states marshals came

to the community and said we need you to help us. we would like for you to bring in folks who are wanted on misdemeanor matters and see if we can clear at the matters. let me walk you through some of that. so we did fugitive safe surrender. we did it around the state. we began to look at what we knew , what the numbers are, how many warrants we are talking about, how many people were involved. then we ban -- we began to look at communities that would help us. we went to faith community saying, hey, listen, won't you help us? and it brings us back to a common said moments ago. one of the things that was said was that faith communities are not motivated by the issues. that is what you said.

but what we found is when we knocked on the door and we said we need your help, we would like you to help us, they actually opened up the door and began to work with us. so my so, that we were able to help almost 18,000 people over a four-day period come into the church, meeting with us and go through a process where their warrants were cleared up and resolved on the spot. we did it over a four-day period, thank you. to date, we have 17,800 individuals. we know approximately two thirds of those individuals were mailed. most of them had two or three outstanding warrants and we were able to resolve them.

i will stick to our faith partnership, because i think they can bring home how you work together. we will come back when the screen comes up for us. the other programs we have been able to establish, one is called the chaplaincy program. the chaplains themselves work with community partners, particularly helping young people. in figuring out ways to wrap themselves around the young person and their families to make sure they give them the support they need, the encouragement they need. the chaplain program has been pushed by one of our local departments. the vineland police department

in particular. the program actually has the opportunity to travel around the state to really look at how we can support families in the neighborhood and on the grounds. i think we are ready. we can go to the next slide. you can see the arrow up there. that is where we start. right above the church. this particular slide shows what we did in atlantic city at lakes assembly of god. next, please. one of the things we found when we did this work as that people did not trust us as law enforcement. they would not necessarily turn themselves in for surrender. in the first half of the day people would stand across the street from the church before they came in and would wait for people to come out.

when they came back out, they started to come back in. that was one of the reasons. but what is important is that it is the word-of-mouth. jennifer please. of course, we also had worked in various communities particularly in the spanish-speaking communities to make sure everyone understood they could be a part of it based on the requirements of the program. >> over the past two years a special law enforcement program called safe surrender has been teaming up with nonprofits. coming up, how safe surrender is changing lives. [inaudible]

[inaudible] [inaudible] >> the program is called safe surrender, a u.s. marshals program. [inaudible] [inaudible] >> all under the roof of a church.

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[inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] ms. moore: a little bit about safe surrender. less than one half of 1% of the people we encounter are taken into custody, usually because of an indictable matter. next.

what it looks like in camden. the program was run in philadelphia a week or two begin with the program in camden, new jersey. we thought ours would be smaller. we actually had that many people waiting in line when the doors opened at the church. that is bethany baptist church in newark, new jersey. we had a line four or five across and it went for blocks. the reverend at first baptist in somerset was able to host this for us. that line actually wrapped around the entire building. there were torrential rains. we're still there. -- people were still there. they were also selling umbrellas. next, please.

grace assembly of god church. one of the things we needed to do in atlantic city is all the people who initially surrender themselves, one of the things we had to do was make sure core personnel in a different location -- when you see us, you knew there was core personnel. doing the lookups in state and federal databases. from this church, which you see to the convention center that agreed to host us. next. the last one we did, you're before last, was in jersey city. that is the jersey city armory. 4700 people showed up in a four-day window allowing us to resolve tens of thousands of matters.

we were able to get a few featured on due process. we were talking about community engagement and what we thought was important. that was part of what we were asked to do, to talk about the role of law enforcement. there were a lot of efforts we were working on. but our faith partners had been tremendous assets as partners, and we simply brought the issue. i think that is part of the dialogue we have to have. when you sit down and break bread together and understand what the issues are, together, as a community, you can make the lie -- a difference in the lives of all in the community. thank you. [applause] mr. martin: the way we tie in

the video and discussions we had from the attorney general's office is there are crimes that are committed. there are people commit those crimes. and there are people we want to be locked up. there are programs that address that. and i think the purpose of our lecture today and discussions we have had is that we want to find a way for law enforcement to separate those groups as opposed to putting a sheer physical presence and look of a person as a predominant factor in their reacting to what is going on. i would like to take a brief minute and tell you when we fought for civil rights in the 1960's, and of the civil rights act was one of the key pieces of legislation, along with the civil rights act came a section of law in title 42, section 1

414. that section allows investigation of police departments by the department of justice. they had that investigation in cleveland. they had that investigation going on in philadelphia. they had one, i believe in the work -- newark. i was representing the city of cincinnati in 2003 when cincinnati had those investigations. the reason i raise that, and i know we have all seen attorney general -- former attorney general eric holder -- when he would address these issues. what was fought for in the 1960's was a showing that the law is applied and protected all of us. equal protection. when you listen to charles hamilton houston and thurgood marshall, they talked about equal protection of the law.

now, the laws are written in a way that provide equal protection. we are now saying that those laws are being used in a different way. with that, i would say there are findings of unnecessary use of force, excessive use of force discriminatory practices by the department of justice. i know we are going to have some questions and answers. before we talk about how it is and what our takeaways are, i would open up the floor to see if based on some of the thought-provoking discussions we have had so far, your own personal thoughts and educational experience and life experiences. are there any questions you would like to pose to this talented panel that we have? we will ask that you step up to the microphone. if you would line up behind the

microphone, it would make it easier and allow the recording studios to pick that up. >> in light of the recent killing in south carolina, what is your position about coercing, convincing our congress to require all police to wear body cameras? do you think it will help? mr. martin: so i do not get you in trouble, we will not put you on the spot. mr. crump: i will be brief. walter madison, stand up. here's is my cocounsel in the tamir rice case. [applause] walter, chime in here. say of fair word or two.

we pushed for that in michael brown's tragic killing in ferguson. the michael brown law, which i hope and pray will happen. i think it makes a difference and would be a fitting legacy for michael brown. let me say this here. history happened this week in ferguson, missouri. we in the house of god say the march as long but thence towards justice. ferguson had three times as many people in the community come out and vote than they ever had in history. i think that is a direct response of the community saying, we have to do something about them killing our children. and we have three african-american city commissioners out of ferguson. that is history. c-span is watching. [applause] mr. crump: to answer your question, i think cameras really are good. they let us know and makes it

transparent. that is what the community wants. and the police officers, if they did not do anything wrong, they are exonerated. when you have a cloud of suspicion because nobody saw anything, it is questionable how you are shooting our little brother or sister in the back can correlate to your life being in danger. it makes no sense to us. but i say this in light of walter scott. there are so many things we would never see on video. it is about a culture. it is about a culture. the video, why do we need video cameras to make you do right? i keep hearing everybody say the majority of police officers are good police officers. i say i want to believe that.

just like i want to believe the majority of young african-american men are good people. i want to believe that too. but i will not just accept that all police officers are good when all these good police officers see police misconduct and do not come forward and say anything. [applause] mr. crump: that is where we have to say good policing. the chief said, we do not want you to throw a blanket over our police for the actions of one police officer. ditto. we do not want you breaking up our black and brown boys for the actions of one black or brown boy. what we want is what you want. [applause] >> thank you for a really wonderful discussion. my name is dr. marcia coleman.

i am the court later for the hands of coalition d.c., the coalition that launched major demonstrations in front of the department of justice to demand they release civil rights reports. obviously, we were very unhappy with the results of the reports. but we think it was important for the families to have that information so that they could process the fact that their government is not being responsible and holding police accountable for the deaths of our children. my son has been stopped by police over 30 times. that is very common. if you ask most young black people how many times they have been stopped it is 20, 30, 40 times. he is a howard university student.

his trauma was such that he had to drop out for one year because of the anxiety of being stopped by police so many times. we are having a million moms march. we hope you can join us. on may 8. we are asking our brothers and husbands to join the mothers as we take to the streets on march 9 -- may 9. to demand that police stop harassing our children sodomizing our children on the sides of street and stop killing our children. the last point i wanted to make was, in terms of your video, i want to know when we are going to see police lined up in front of black churches, surrendering their badges. because what i saw is the fact we have hypervigilance in the black community. when people are being arrested for walking in the middle of the street, i want to know when police will be arrested. thank you. [applause]

mr. martin: you please identify yourself. >> my name is mike evans. i serve as one of the social justice coordinators at metropolitan church in d.c.. what i heard today was profound. and i want to thank ms. rice for putting a real face and real moments of truth and pain and agony to what has happened to her and her son and her family. many times, we hear about of 12-year-old boy, but we do not know his story. we did not know he loved to swim. we did not know he loved to make his family happy and proud. when these things happen, we have to reflect on what that means for those families and to our own.

of thing that struck me this morning before i left to come here was that i turned on the news cnn c-span, and i was amazed at how quickly the media in collusion with the police had jumped from outrage indignation, to blaming the victim once again, for all that he had brought upon himself. well, he ran. he ran because he had x number of dollars in child support. wait a minute. there were not any warrants out. it was more than we thought it was. on and on. all these stories to justify the actions by the police and the occupied forces in our community to justify and rationalize what they have done. i will be quick.

i am glad that we are here and talking about solutions. we spend a lot of time with reciting nation of injustices that have been placed upon us, but i think we need to be talking about solutions. years ago iran charities for chicago. mr. martin: we want you to pose a question. >> we try to provide information to communities about what the criminal justice system is about. what types of programs, public service programs, information programs, had you experienced and envisioned, where the actors in a criminal justice system present to the community what

they do, how they interact, how they work with each other, and how they are supposed to be worked for us -- working for us? do we have anything in place to help faith-based community to house those information services? ms. moore: one of the things i did not get to is some of the youth development we did. i talked about data and research and how we look at what is happening in communities. in this process, we have something called invisible planning. -- municipal planning. it is youth develop and boards that meet with our local police departments, scope -- school boards. we bring both our justice system partners and our social services together to look at what we know about the community. not just what we hear. what we know. we start with data and begin to pull together strategies looking

at policy, looking also at programs available so that we can help families get access to services. what we found is that there are sometimes many services, but families do not know about the services. there is no link between resources and good things happening. and the families and partners need to make those things come together. it is through that process we have begun to do a lot of work. it can be through grants, this process i am talking about in the youth development process. we bring together on a regular basis at least once a month and in between, we meet in small committees. asking how to connect partners to resources. most importantly, how to make sure we have better outcomes so families are successful. >> i would like to respond also. mr. martin: we cannot just wait.

i have worked with ms. moore for a number of years. she does great work. and would do better work if she were not hamstrung by government red tape. governments, the wheels turn slowly. what i want to supplement is that we have to create with in the faith community itself a desire to get that information. and we have to construct programs with in the faith community so that we are not waiting for heroes and the champions to fight through the red tape to get stuff to us. so that part of what we are trying to do in the healing community project, is go to congregations and teach them what questions to ask. what information you need. how can you get involved in the system and how can you get involved in responding to these partnerships with information

and with leverage? not just be assigned a government agency in the grand scheme they put together without you. and say, here is your role. there is a lot of work we have to do internally to develop that kind of program. and not just simply wait for agencies to come to us and explain things to us. we have congregations across this country who have resourceful people in them. who know the answers. if we can empower them to give us the internal leverage that we need, we can have real partnerships. >> part of the issue i thought we would discuss is what is the real black church? should the programs come from government or from the community and the community and government work together? from what i understand, ms. moore tries, the church will

try, but sometimes red tape gets in the way. if the church had its own initiative without looking for approval from the government there is a role the church can do without governmental assistance. professor trulear: that is what i am saying. we had a statewide program in michigan on faith-based reentry. we had great stuff going on from the upper peninsula to grand rapids. then they got a new governor. the new governor said, we are not going to put more money into community-based reaction programs. we are going to expand the department of corrections in michigan and run our own programs. all the money came off the table. all of a sudden, the reentry program started to die off. because we were depending on the government to fund community-based programs. what we have got to do in the faith community is recognize

that we have ideas and people. we just have not been able to generate motivation. that is why i am running around the country saying we have faces. we have tamir rice. walter scott. i went to ferguson in december and talked with people. we have people like tracy blackman. she is a pastor to the young people. people say they are not leading in ferguson. the young people are. and pastor blackman are pastoring them. the pastor in nashville during the civil rights movement, he talked to the people on the front lines. you do not have to be out front. you can help the young people get a sustained voice and not stand up there making speeches turning everything into a personal platform.

no names. there has to be energy channeling within the faith community itself. when we are in a position to partner with government but are not dependent on the administration changed to make sure this stuff keeps going. >> anabolic -- anna bullock. as i said to the panelist, when i spoke earlier, i am not dealing with these issues as a lawyer on a daily basis. in other words, i am not in the weeds on this issue. i am not in the tall grass as a lawyer. i deal with this issue on my front lawn and in my backyard. i have a 30-year-old son. and i said to the group that i am astounded -- my husband and i

raised our children, my son is 31 years old, tall black guy good looking. and we started quizzing him early on. my husband used to be the u.s. marshal for the district of columbia. we used to quiz him about his interactions with the police. to this day, i am astounded he has never had an uninvited interaction with police. it is amazing. in the district of columbia. i tell you that because it gives me reason for hope. that we can have that in communities across this city and across the country. and my son grew up in a time where, in northwest d.c., the second district, the officers in the neighborhood knew the kids. they knew us.

i think my husband made a difference. because he was active. i also think we as parents have a role to play in how we deal with the police department as well. mr. martin: i'm going to ask you -- you have to pose a question to the panel. the cameras are going to shut off us. >> what you showed us is a snapshot of the difference your community and faith program with u.s. marshal service made in your community. my question is, has that spread to other communities? related to that, are there coalitions with other states where you talk to each other? so the folks here in d.c., maryland, and virginia can know the success you had a new jersey and it spreads.

ms. moore: it has spread for us in other communities. people heard about what they -- we were doing and would come visit with us. we would have other jurisdictions, and help they want to get those programs together and figure out how to do it. i think the question is, is there a network? is it somewhere else in the country, i do not think so? that is why we are delighted to be a part of this conversation. there is a lot that we can do if we were to connect the dots. there are other programs are having, there are faith programs -- communities doing it on their own. how do we connect together? not just in new jersey or in the district, but across the country. to continue the dialogu