debt. getting the hands around it and getting our hands around entitlement is imperative. if we do not, the debt will eat us up. host: we will go to baltimore time -- tom on our line for democrats. caller: i have a question about coulter of spending versus a culture of saving. i worked for the correctional department here in baltimore city as a contractor. it seemed like every year we got to the end of the budget year and we had extra money, and we decided to spend it on some pretty silly things. i do not know if this is rampant throughout the government, but it just seemed if we changed the culture and may be reward contractors or department to save money every year, maybe we could get a handle on this. guest: a good point, making sure we are incentivizing to spend

less and give it back to the government, as opposed to right now, to spend up to the last sent we give them. oftentimes, you see folks in agencies buying the new computers and ipads and the money goes out the door. that is a small part of the problem, but the larger part comes from the entitlement system that is growing with the baby boomers and increased cost of health care. host: dan, independent caller. caller: i'm calling because i am wondering when they will finally pass the law, food stamps and welfare. the majority of them are on drugs or selling food stamps for drugs. host: where have you read that

the majority do it? caller: it was just an expression but a lot of people do it. people on welfare and food stamps. guest: these are state issues. each state on a state-by-state races can look at it. if you are at home and doing drugs, you will not be able to get a job or get off social programs. i know people in wisconsin that are working two jobs and on friday night and saturday, they look for jobs to make and sleep and they pay taxes. and they want to help people who are helping themselves. it is important. if folks are on the system and not working to get off, they are doing drugs, we analyze, what do we do? we say, we are willing to help and not willing to subsidize a standard that will never get you

out of entitlements. my once -- my one concern is about what we do about kids. a jug abusing parent and lack of food on the table hurts kids in the home. how you split that, i am not sure. host: what percentage of the budget is welfare and these types of payments? guest: it is a smaller percentage. i am not sure the exact percent. even on reform funds, it becomes challenging with entitlements. the farm bill a year ago, if you an able-bodied man or woman and you're not working and have sound mind and sound body, we think you should have to do one of three things. get a job, go to school to and a skill, or get a volunteer. you cannot be a 33-year-old's

single man sitting on the couch. taking money out of the mouths of babies per folks will go to the lowest common denominator. most folks would say, you cannot just sit at home and get these. that becomes a harder political conversation. the other side will all the sudden throw in babies and kids and that is not who we were talking about here at making sure we have an honest conversation on these topics is important. host: illinois, a republican, good morning. caller: i have a question. i'm a vietnam vet and i see something curious going on here. every time you guys want to push the keystone pipeline, you guys neglect to say that the koch brothers own 1,500,000 acres of

tar sands in canada. just off the table. i do not know how you answer that question. not only that, the koch brothers will give you $900 million to the republican party and $1 billion for your nominee, when there is one nominee. i do not know how you will answer it, but i was a on the line and listen. guest: i do not know what parties have what interests in the energy sector or what democrats have interest using trains to haul energy rather than pipelines. we want north american energy independence. that oil to come from canada and saudi arabia. if you are an environmentalist listen, i know that canada has invested billions of dollars. if we do not build a tech -- a pipeline they are still taking it out of the ground. with happen regardless what we do.

the question becomes, how will you transport it? train or truck is more dangerous or you can use a pipeline that uses less carbon and is safer. i say let's build a safe route by building the energy into our american system and make sure we do not buy oil and energy from people who do not like us very much. if you see the energy revolution and what it has done in the world, we dropped oil prices because of greater supply, it puts countries that are bad actors in the world, one being russia and iran is another, it puts us in a tough spot. because they do not have now all of these resources to support the failing economy's in failing governments. i look at american energy not just as an energy play, but as a global play that affects that actors to do bad things in the world. host: clyde in new jersey democrat. caller: good morning.

there is a question i have got to ask the congressman. i think the budget thing will reach -- be between democrats and republicans. another question i have got to ask is, i think that ride in baltimore is a total disgrace -- riot in baltimore is a total disgrace. guest: there has not been a great deal of agreement on how we set up a budget. republicans have said, we want to try to balance the budget within a 10 year window. that is our end goal. democrats of said we do not have an interest in ever balance in the budget here we do not want a budget and the spending pan -- final ever bring us to the point with balances. you have an idea like that and you try to get a budget to matchup between the two parties, and it it it -- it gets challenging. at one point in our future come

we should try to balance this thing. that is what we are trying to do, to put out reasonable proposals. you hear people say to just tax more, more revenue. the stork highs in revenue, and i think more taxes, mean less productivity less jobs, and a tougher time for america in a global competitive environment. let's look at a strong and smart task code but also spending reforms that allows balance. host: the house and senate passed their own individual budget blueprints for 2016. negotiators were named from each side and they were meeting to come up with a deal and they have one. senator corker has been holding it up because he does not like what he calls gimmicks used by his republican colleagues in this deal, which lawmakers are hoping to get to the house floor by this thursday. democrats, for their part, object to the gop's's spending

heist, saying they should be matched dollar to dollar with more mastic spending. democrats also complain the republican budget would cut health, education, and programs. that is to take place on the house floor later this week, possibly a vote on thursday. we are talking with a republican of wisconsin about that and other issues. we will hear from mike next in oklahoma, independent. caller: i like to think i'm fair-minded when it comes to this. and you probably need to make cuts to entitlements. we have got an overblown deficit . but the way i see it, you republicans come you deserve to control the budget process. with that power comes responsibility. it does not seem like, and i have been watching c-span, you're not allowing democrats to

buy in on that budget process much. he said at the beginning of the show that yes, you did need democrat by in. if you are expecting that, it just seems like you do not cut nothing from the rich, you're cutting all these programs that help the poor and middle-class it just seems that if you wanted a process where you could get something done, get a grand bargain or whatever you do, you kind of allowed the democrats -- guest: first off we do have a budget that has come out earlier than we have seen in decades which means we will start an appropriation on the spending process earlier than ever and hopefully get it done before the august recess, which i think is positive. we do want the democrat by an, but as i've mentioned, we have two fundamental differences and

our side actually wants a point of balance, and democrats never want to bring the budget to balance. if they did, we have asked for the proposal. how do you actually bring a budget to balance in 10, 15, 20 years, and they never bring out proposal. it is hard to get it because fundamental views are different. host: it is also about economic growth. one of our viewers on twitter, saying military bending his ways. spending on education is an investment with a great return. guest: i think building up infrastructure is really smart in the congress. but it affects growth in the world and america when you have bad actors that feel emboldened to do bad acts. one force in the world i think helps read piece, the american

people in the american military. so many threats in the world, to think we will cut back our military to have less capabilities does not make sense. i think you want a safe and strong american economy and also a peaceful world. and if it will not be us, who will fill the void left by a dilapidated american military? will it be china or russia? the answer to those questions is yes. i prefer to see america filling the vacuum. that is the conversation we will have. it is not an economic driver but i think piece is an economic driver. that is what we are looking for with a stronger american military. guest: the budget deal does not deal with entitlement reform. on twitter, raise the cap on social security before the start.

guest: that is one solution. what we talked about is the next generation of wealthy, young individuals, mark zuckerberg, a facebook billionaire that he pays into social security and will draw that money out. we want to look at the top end. if they made more money, let them draw a little less or all the while, those who paid in in the middle-class if you make those shifts in the way social security works, you get the same net outcome and save social security. a different way to do it but the rich will get a little less. host: let's go back to call spared fredericksburg, virginia, a republican. caller: we keep hearing infrastructure and it is always roads and schools. but, in fact, we need a deeper infrastructure. we need reform of business

government and this is local and state governments also it we need reform of the school system. we do need to educate people without all of the bringing the children into it, because we are the guardians of the children but the children do not have a say in education, and they should not. we are adults. what i am trying to say is, you keep talking about infrastructure. we have a moral infrastructure deficit. we neglect the small country towns in this country. we see people's boarded-up houses and boarded-up stores and young people standing on the streets and waiting for drug dealers. it is happening all throughout the country. all you have to do is take a trip down 95 to myrtle beach and you will see all of these closed places in these small areas. guest: