that has to be destroyed, not changed, destroyed. just justice should replace the supremacy. host: all right. let's look at facebook where you can join the conversation any time. here we have a comment who says, i hope this is a start to rehabilitating and rebuilding the relationship between law enforcement and the community. host: taking your calls on the arrests that we heard about today that were made today. six police officers charged in the death of freddie gray in baltimore. jacksonville florida, democrat. caller: this is mia. basically, i just have a few things i want to point out. i could be wrong. but this is regarding information i was reading online. i feel like it's either sacrifice your city or charge

these six men. it's taken so long for them to be charged. there's no question what happened. host: i'm sorry, maybe you can call in again, we can get your comments again. going to move on to virginia, independents line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i'm from virginia where, you know the american dream was born here. jamestown in 1619, you had your first africans get here to this country, became the greatest nation on the planet in terms of -- talking about the ideal of democrat sifment and independence for all. it hasn't happened. and here in virginia, we have a place called fort monroe where

that happened almost 400 years ago. and what we're doing there is helping people understand how our founding past impacts who we are today. so we codified slavery in the constitution and now in 1865, supposedly it was ended with the adoption of the 13th amendment. but here we are in the 21st century, still fighting the ills of how this country was founded. what we are hoping we can do is help people commit that past to the present and heal from the past, from past wrongs, and move forward. we think that baltimore is a truly microcosm in terms what we can do in terms of being able to move beyond the injustice of the past with ways that will heal us in the future. host: thanks for the call. you can join us definitely tomorrow morning. we'll take a look at this issue again on "washington journal." also let you know, 8:00 p.m. tonight eastern time on c-span, we'll have the president's remarks again regarding the

issue in baltimore. freddie gray and the officers who have charged in his death today -- who were charged in his death today and then "washington journal," 7:00 a.m. tomorrow morning, we'll open the phone lines so you can let us know what your thoughts are and we'll hear from the center for study of race and democracy and conservativeblackchick.com will be weighing in on the issue of police and race in america. we also heard today earlier from congressman bobby rush. we're going to take a look at his comments and see what he had to say from the floor of the house. 2015, the chair recognizes the gentleman from illinois mr. rush, for 30 minutes. mr. rush: i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. rush: i want to thank you

mr. speaker. within the last hour or so, there was a decision by the baltimore city state's attorney mosley, in the investigation of the death of freddie gray a black man who died under questionable circumstances. circumstances that kind of made us all wonder where the truth lies circumstances that cause

young people and others to take to the streets across this nation, circumstances that brought into a sharp, bright light. the question of justice in america the question of police misconduct in america the question of mayhem in america, the question of poverty in america the question of violence in america. freddie gray's murder, freddie gray's death and the question of circumstances around his

death brought into sharp relief all these issues of race and living in an urban center. . brought into sharp relief. since the years or more of determined, callous disinvestment in our urban areas years or more of joblessness bad schools bad housing bad health care. 50 years of hopelessness. but in the last few minutes,

mr. speaker, this brilliant young, courageous african-american woman baltimore city state attorney marilyn mosby made a decision and she kded that -- decided that, yes, notwithstanding all the differences of opinion, to change stories, the moving target, notwithstanding all of these things are happening, she decided that freddie gray was murdered. freddie gray was murdered.

and that she would indict the police officers who were responsible. and by indicting the baltimore city police officers who were responsible for mr. gray's murder, she made a giant enormous step for justice, for young people, young african-american men and women young people who live in our urban areas. by her decision today, just a few moments ago, she has done this nation an invaluable

service. especially for young people. especially for the african-american and other minority youth. these young people have for decades now yearned nor justice -- for justice as it relates to police misconduct, police brutality and yes police murder. this new standard for justice is a standard that now transcends baltimore transcends even the entire state of maryland it transcends and reaches to other points all across this nation.

ferguson, new york city, chicago, cleveland, other places all throughout this country. mr. speaker, as an african-american male who represents the south side of the city of chicago i know firsthand about police misconduct, police mayhem and police murder. i must say madam speaker mr. speaker that in my 68 years living mostly in the city of chicago, i have never seen the

wheels of justice move so profoundly, so pointedly and so purposefully as i have witnessed with baltimore city's state attorney marilyn mosby's action. she's raised all kinds of standards. for all of us who fight for justice, who want to see justice delivered in the true american way who want to see an end to all the machinations

and excuses and turning away, closing our eyes to police misconduct in our urban areas, this wonderful, courageous young city states attorney has raised the standard for prosecutors all across our great nation. she's raised the standards for mayors and chiefs of police and other law enforcement officials . she's raised the standard for even those who are in this body . opening our minds, open our

eyes and see the truth. let me just say right now mr. speaker, that the police officers of this nation, the overwhelming majority of them are good hardworking defenders of the community. they're not law breakers, they're there to serve and protect and we honor them and we lift them up. but there's a few who think that they can get away with all kinds of illegal actions just because they can get away with it. because the system has a tendency and a habit of

protecting even those who violate not only the laws of this nation but the spirit of the laws of this nation. these laws that keep this nation together, these laws that make us have an identity as one nation under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all, these police officers, this minority of those on the urban police forces across this nation, these are the ones that abrogate the constitution, short circuit our constitution, short circuit our quest for justice, our appeal for justice

and our right for justice. short circuit those just for their thrill of the moment. can you imagine mr. speaker, being handcuffed and leg cuffed laying down face down in the back of a paddy wagon driven recklessly determined by those police officers who were driving, who had him in custody, to maim, harm brutalize him.

tossed about because of sudden stops. you are in the back of a pady wagon handcuffed, legcuffed and these police officers getting a thrill out of tossing you around in a sealed encased paddy wagon. not caring about the broken parts of your body that might occur, not caring about whether

you really lived or died. -- whether you really lived or died. not really caring about the oath that they were sworn to when they were hired and when they took that oath to serve and protect. all those things became secondary to their thrill seeing how much havoc and harm they can cause to this black man in baltimore. yeah they thought they would get away with it. that no one would even think to question their decisions their thrill seeking.

their conduct. but thank god there is a woman in baltimore who said to them to all the police officers who are like minded such as them, said to the nation no more no more. not this time. you're going to be indicted and you're going to be charged. and that's the way it is. grieving mothers mr. gray's mother, his father, his relatives, his loved ones his

friends his neighbors will know there will be justice for freddie gray. i said in chicago there will be justice for freddie gray. from this nation's borders, young people are rejoicing now that there is soon to be justice for freddie gray. mr. speaker, ms. mosby's

actions, her courage, her dedication her commitment her decisiveness has spoke to an ideal that's creating this movement for justice all across this nation. she's very clearly and profoundly and without hesitation spoken to all of us to this nation. her actions have shouted it out that black lives do matter that that black lives do matter. that all lives in america matters and that black lives matters also.

than [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] >> here's some of the "washington post" coverage of the six baltimore officers charged in the death of freddie gray. state's attorney charging them today after a medical examiner ruled his death a homicide. the charges range from assault to second degree murder. "the washington post" has more on the individual officers and their charges. turning now to international issues and the iran nuclear deal, the milken institute gathered a conference recently to hear from financiers and politicians about the world economy and global threats. former nato supreme allied commander in europe, general wesley clark, discusseded iran nuclear deal and believes the u.s. has decades of arms struggles in its future. general clark: we've got to figure out now in this window of time between the announcement of an agreement to agree and seeing the details we've got to hope that secretary kerry and president

obama take heed of the concerns that have been raised all around the world about this agreement. it's not too late to stand up and demand the kind of details that would help us restrain the nuclear arms race. it may not be too late to try to do something more in terms of bringing iran back in, but, and this is sort of my theme on this panel i would just tell you that i think we're greatly underestimating geostrategic risk. the idea that this is going to -- an agreement here is going to open up iran and investment will pour in, these countries are really going to get along well, well, yeah, investment will pour in and iran will use its wealth as it sees fit. for self-aggrandizement. it will support assad in syria, it will develop deeper ties with vladimir putin in russia.

it will further squeeze the saudi regime through its efforts in oman and yemen. so there's no end to the conflict in this region. we're looking at decades of struggle. armed struggle using the symbols of religion, going after the politics of identity, using the misshapen ambitions of misled young people who believe they can find heaven by killing innocent people, all of that is in play. this nuclear agreement is just a small part of it and we have to be wise enough to use the agreement to not only deal with the nuclear issue but try to address and shape the larger issue. this is not a region you can handle by u.s. forces. we put our armed forces in. in my view it's the biggest single strategic error ever made by the united states of

america. saddam hussein said he would, if we attacked we would open up the gates of hell. since he told us 15 years earlier we were going to have the mother of all battles and it only lasted four days, we didn't believe him when he said the gates of hell. but when you look at the consequences of the end of ba'athism, the opening of iran, the clash that's gone on, the rise of sectarianism and civil war, you realize these are issues that are much deeper much stronger and much more powerful than we can resolve with 100,000 troops. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] >> some of the general's remarks on global threat. we'll show the conference tonight at 8:00 eastern. that will be over on our companion network, c-span2. we also heard recently about the congressional debate over a new authorization for the use of military force and the launch of a new constitutional war study group. from "washington journal," this is about an hour. "washington journal"

continues. host: for the next hour we have to two congressman -- we have two congressman to talk about their group. walter jones and jim mcgovern. mr. jones, let's start with you. what is the purpose -- what is this constitutional work study group? guest: the power to declare war including the power of judging the costs of war is fully and exclusively in the legislature. we have no debates. the only time we have a debate is when they are asking for money, millions and millions of dollars to send overseas. mr. mcgovern and i have been outspoken about our constitutional response ability. before we send young men and women to get their lives -- that's why we wanted to put this study group together because we believe members of congress should have an opportunity once

a month, bringing in speakers to try to educate our colleagues to feel more responsible for these young men and women who have given their lives host: what is the role of congress when it comes to declaring war or pursuing warfare? guest: we are supposed to have a role in declaring war. we're supposed to have a role when the president commits troops to combat operations. war is a big deal. congress does not treated as a big deal. we debate authorization bills. we don't talk about what's going on in afghanistan or iraq or syria. we try to offer amendments and often times they are denied. we don't have the opportunity to debate these issues on the house floor. that is a great service to the men and women who serve in our armed forces.

-- disservice to the men and women. you cannot have it both ways. you can't criticize the president for committing troops into another war in iraq and syria and then say but i don't want to do my job, i don't want to vote yes or no. it's too easy for congress to stand back and let it all happen. if it goes bad coming you can seattle do it was going to go bad. if it goes good, i was with them all the way. we are trained to force our colleagues, forced the leadership to do what congress is supposed to do. host: you are saying that congress is reluctant to step up to take its constitutional duty. guest: walter and i had a resolution we brought to the floor last july. if u.s. troops were engaged in sustained military combat operations in iraq, we would have to come back and have a vote to authorize that.

it passed with 370 votes, a huge bipartisan vote. everyone is on record saying we ought to engage in this issue. in august, we begin bombing in iraq every single day again. we are more and more engaged and we have boots on the ground and there is no end in sight. we can get the committees of jurisdiction to bring a resolution to the floor. walter and i both have serious issues about what we are doing in the middle east right now. if you think it's a good idea, you vote yes. you cannot blame the white house. the president has done his job. he submitted an amuf to congress. congress is not doing what it's supposed to do. host: the president's amuf is too broad from your perspective.

from a conservative's perspective, it is too narrow. guest: i think it is to brought. -- broad. put it on the floor and let's have a debate. those who don't want to have a time in, let's debate that. i blame the speaker of the house -- the president did send to congress this new amuf that we have not had members -- we have not had any formal hearings. the hearings included other issues in addition to the president's request for a new amuf. we cannot get it to the floor. host: you are racing senior member of the armed services committee. this article this morning -- it

says tom cole and adam schiff have sent a letter saying we need to have this debate. have you to sign on to this letter? guest: we sent a similar letter a few months ago. we have done this time and time again. we are a bit tired of sending letters. one of the things we will probably do when we come back offer a privilege revolution -- resolution and try to force a debate and a vote on our involvement right now in iraq and syria. if i can make a quick point -- we are spending roughly $8 million a day. the american people and those who wear the uniform, we have a

responsibility and obligation to have this debate. it makes no sense for this leadership of the house to not let us meet our constitutional responsibility. this study group could help educate our colleagues, bringing in people who know the constitution to say you have a responsibility, bejewel responsibility -- mutual responsibility. host: let's put the numbers up on the screen. guest: not only do we not vote on whether or not to put our men and women in harm's way, we don't pay for it, either. these wars have cost us trillions of dollars. if you go to war, congress and the president ought to impose a war tax. right now, the only people that are sacrificing are the men and women serving in afghanistan and

iraq. the rest of us don't have to pay for it. the american people don't want to paperwork, maybe don't go to war -- pay for war maybe don't go to war part we've made it so easy to get into these foreign entanglements. congress sits back and ignores this constitutional responsibility, it's outrageous. we have done letters, done resolutions. we may use the privileged resolution to force a vote on this in the next few weeks. guest: we have done five-minute speeches. i've done one a week. you've talked about the waste and abuse. that's why jim and i feel so passionately about this. it's about the taxpayer --

host: are we still operating under the 2001 amuf right after 9/11? guest: absolutely. the amufs we passed during the bush time -- the amufs from 2001 and 2003 is what obama is using now. he has his legal advisers, they say he has the authority to use the existing amufs. it's a new fight, it's a new world. we need a new plan. guest: it's 2015. we are relying on a amuf from

2001. it is ludicrous. we are fighting a different war in iraq then when we entered into thousand three. -- th when we entered inan ♪n when we entered into thousand 2003. we should have a thorough debate on this issue. i'm skeptical of what we are doing right now. it ought to be tough to send american men and women into war. it has become too easy and i'm not sure that what we are doing in some of these involvements is for our security one bit. host: should the president have the free hand he currently has to wage the war?

guest: the president has the authority but we have a war powers resolution. the constitution says what our response ability is. -- responsibility is. it is pretty clear -- the fact that they are using the 2001-2003 amuf to justify what they are doing now tells you they even recognize that. that's a long time ago. we ought to repeal those amufs. if you want to start another series of wars, they ought to have a new amuf. i don't believe we should start another series of wars. that's one of the reasons we have to have this debate. are there alternatives that are more effective? it reminds me of the dr. seuss

book, cap and accurate we go over to clean up a mess, it gets bigger. -- cap in thet in the hat. host: it has cost over $2 million so far, the air attacks and bombings on isis. -- $2 billion so far. guest: we have to deal with isis. the aren't evil group -- they are an evil group. we have to have a debate on the floor of the house. we continue to allow the president, who has the authority to continue this bombing, yet we say nothing about it. i blame the leadership of the house and senate for not allowing us to meet our constitutional responsibility. host: let's take some calls. walter jones and jim mcgovern.

this is robert in georgia who is a democrat. caller: thank you. i can get to questions out in 30 seconds. can you tell me if you believe the special forces and intelligence were the most likely cause or ability for getting the people they wanted to get in al qaeda in afghanistan? it was sold that we need to send troops and. -- in. for iraq, it was weapons of mass distraction. -- destruction. there was a boat held on that. we sent regular troops in there. you were talking as if you were proud of that vote. are you? guest: no, i was not proud of

that book. it was one of them worst mistakes i've made. the administration was misleading, manipulating intelligence a lie about the iraq war. it doesn't do my heart any good but i show god that i regret my vote. i will go to my grave regretting that vote, quite frankly. guest: you are right. we got osama bin laden with a well-trained group of special forces, navy seals got them in pakistan -- him in pakistan. we ought to go after the bad guys, but how you do it is something we ought to discuss. i would argue that our involvement in afghanistan all these years has been incredibly

costly. we have put up one corrupt government after another. al qaeda is gone and now we are fighting the taliban and there is no end in sight. we were supposed to be out of afghanistan this year. we offered an amendment saying ok, we support the president come if we decide to stay beyond 2015, congress ought to vote to authorize that or not. we were denied by the congressional leadership to even offer that amendment. host: is you are leadership and support -- in support? guest: i think they are. the weight displaced work, whoever is in majority is in charge. -- way this place works, whoever is in majority is in charge. at the end of the day, congress says no, the answer is no.

if congress has yes, the answer is yes. the majority, the people in charge have the responsibility of scheduling what goes on the floor. i know our democratic leader wants to have a boat and discussion on this -- vote and discussion on this. she is not in charge. john boehner is. guest: jim mentioned afghanistan. i went to walter walter reed tuesday. i had these two little girls whose daddy was killed two years ago in afghanistan. his name was sergeant kevin balded. benjamin palmer was from cherry point, in my district. they were sent to afghanistan to train afghans to be policeman. the night before those two men were killed, kevin e-mailed his

wife and says i don't trust them , i don't trust any of them. the next day, he and palmer were killed by the people they were trying to train. i had no idea that i was going to meet two of the four who were part of the group were a medic was shot in afghanistan and killed by the people they were trying to help. we need to have this debate. the military deserves it and the american taxpayer deserves it. host: al in tampa, florida. caller: i'm a disabled vet. i've been waiting nine years, two months and five days for my v.a. claim. my concern is, you don't know where anybody stands anymore. republicans or democrats, even their speeches about these wars.

at least you can go and look at the voting record. it's nice to see republicans and democrats talking about the same issues. i've given my service, i was not injured during the war. i was injured in an accident in the service. the problems with the v.a. and not being treated -- host: thank you very much. guest: i would say quickly that al should call his member of congress. i have 7000 retired veterans in my district. they come first and they call our office response quickly. thank you for your service. -- they call and our office responds quickly. call and say i've waited so

long, i need my benefits, i've earned them. guest: we are very grateful for your service. we owed them a debt of gratitude. that means making sure the healthcare services they are entitled to are available. we took up a v.a. appropriations bill that is underfunding rva system -- our pa system. -- v.a. system. we are told we have a tough budget situation, we can't afford it. that is just wrong. host: have you seen improvements in the v.a. in the last year or two? guest: i have seen some improvements. there is more to do. the v.a. got the message. it's too bad we had to confront these issues by learning about

this terrible scandal that occurred. idc changes in massachusetts -- i do see changes in massachusetts. host: joe. caller: good morning, peter. i'm 63. i wholeheartedly agree with both of these gentlemen, republican and democrat. if you look back at what congress did when george bush was negotiating with saddam hussein to go and inspect him he told congress he needed the war power so that saddam knew he meant business. this congress did the most cowardly thing in its history and gave the power to declare war to the president, which is

the most of noxious -- obnoxious thing i can imagine. no, they did not hold any hearings on that back then. i don't know why these gentlemen expect them to hold hearings on anything of substance after that. guest: we appreciate your comment and we certainly feel your frustration. that's why we are putting together this group. that's why we're also putting our fellow members of congress on notice that we will use every procedural motion available to us to try to force this debate. if you go to work, there ought to be a clearly defined mission. -- if you go to war. no one can tell us how it ends. i can't figure out what our current mission is in afghanistan anymore. we need to exercise our proper constitutional role in oversight and providing authorization or

not providing authorization. sitting back and letting all of this twiddling of thumbs is unconscionable. host: you may use a privileged resolution. how does that work? guest: this is jim's initiative. this really is getting to a point where it's about the only option we have to force any discussion to put debate on the floor. jim would introduce it and i would join it. this is his idea. guest: we mentioned we took the vote last july, we introduced a privileged resolution saying invoking the war powers resolution enforcement an end to further escalation. we negotiated with the speaker about a less forceful resolution. if we are engaged in sustained

combat operations, we will reconvene and vote on a formal amuf. that was in july. nothing has happened. we come back from our break and we will introduce the privileged resolution. it forces the vote on the floor. host: what makes a privileged? guest: there are procedures in place that give us that ability to bring a resolution like this to the floor. unfortunately, you can't write the legislation you would like to write. it's about withdrawing our forces. we hope people will vote with us . to send a message to the leadership that you have to do something. if the majority in congress is saying no, it's no. if the majority say yes, it's yes. but being silent, that's moral

cowardice. it really is. walter talks about the veterans that he has seen at walter reed. i've talked to veterans come i've been to funeral after funeral after funeral. to not even be actively engaged in the discussion about what we are doing is a sad commentary. host: tom in harrisburg, pennsylvania. democrat. caller: he took a lot of fe heat -- guest: i voted for the afghanistan resolution because i thought it was appropriate to hold those responsible for 9/11 to account. what i did not expect was that resolution would be so broad in

terms of its interpretation that we would still be in afghanistan , not fighting al qaeda, now fighting the taliban, god knows who else -- i voted against the iraq resolution as well because i thought that was a mistake. i'm glad i voted against it. the important point here congress was on record on both afghanistan and iraq. we are not on record in this current war. host: robert in rochester michigan. independent line. caller: i would just like to say that i am very proud of both of these gentlemen for being sociable and giving -- getting along with each other, which is very rare for both parties. as far as all these wars, i

don't know why are in the middle of everybody else's for. we have to keep the shipping channels clear. if we are going to be in the middle of everybody's work, they should be paying us instead of us paying to control everybody else's war. there is no reason for us to be in the middle of every war. host: a response by walter jones. guest: i want to thank robert because that's exactly why jim and i are grateful to you to have us on this show today. we will be in afghanistan for nine more years. it's an agreement that obama signed with the new president of afghanistan. nine more years of life, limb and money. we have not even had a discussion on that. a nine-year agreement with a

foreign country to have a troop presence and to help them rebuild their roads and streets when we cannot build our own roads and streets, spending billions of dollars every month that's why we are so frustrated. you hundred percent correct. -- you are 100% correct. host: is this different than the congress being involved in the iranian negotiations? guest: the president should have the latitude to have ongoing negotiations. we do have a role. once they complete this agreement, congress should have the ability to analyze the agreement on behalf of the american people. i do think that we need to have an ongoing negotiation. both parties have a right to see

what the agreement is. guest: what walter and i are talking about are instances where we are putting american servicemen and women in harm's way, directly involved in hostilities and combat operations. that is war. it is very clear that congress has a role in that. even the executive acknowledges that. that's why the president keeps pointing to these amufs from a long time ago and why he's amid a new -- what he submitted a new amuf. when it comes to war, it's ironic because the iranian deal is not about us putting troops into harm's way. everyone feels congress ought to have a role, we ought to have a debate and approve this and prove that.

yet, we have people in harms way right now. we are borrowing billions of dollars to fight these wars. where is everybody? why doesn't congress have a role in that? host: you are a member of the rules committee. could you explain briefly why that is such a powerful committee? guest: it is the traffic cop of congress. every bill that comes to the house floor goes to the rules committee. we sometimes alter the text of the bill. we decide whether amendments can be offered. we keep the trains running, if you will. the rules committee -- i'm on the committee -- it's where we make the decision to say let's add these amendments, let's be able to debate whether or not we should continue to be in afghanistan or expand our military footprint in iraq.

the leadership has been very insistent on saying no, we don't want these debates. i was told this is a defense bill. the are a lot of important matters in the defense bill. what can be more important than the fact that we have american men and women in harms way fighting a war? that deserves debate. people can have differences of opinion. walter and i have some disagreements with the administration on their amuf. i respect them for putting their views on paper and presenting them. good people can differ and we ought to have those differences aired publicly and we ought to be on record as voting no or yes on these things. host: do you consider yourself an outlier on the republican party? guest: i am an independent.

my first obligation is to my lord and savior. i think an obligation is to do what i believe my lord wants me to do. when walter jones goes to the floor, i don't know whether he will vote as a conservative, a populist or libertarian. i guess that is who i am. too many times, i see the influence of money in policy in washington and that bothers me greatly. host: why did you vote against the budget? guest: i voted against the budget resolution because i think it is a shell game. it will not accomplish what they say it will accomplish in 10 years. they continue to use a gimmick type of system to say we will balance the budget. i don't think it is an honest budget to begin with. host: do you support the defense

spending portion? guest: no. the problem is, it's like why we are here today. in these bills, they write the bills so they can get the votes of certain members. if they had not been able to get those on the committee by $94 billion in the slush fund, they probably would not have gotten the resolution passed. host: muriel in new haven connecticut on our democrats line. caller: hey, peter and walter and jim. i have to say this, on the issue of war and peace, i support peace 100%. here is the thing -- walter and jim represent what is really

great and true americanism. they support our flag, they support our country and they know what war means to families their sons, their daughters, their husbands. a famous poet wrote "the poppies grow amid the crosses row on row." wars do not solve anything. the only thing i want to say more than what i already said, if you support our flag, if you support our country, this issue of having a debate among our people that represent us is the

most important thing to the republic. host: we will leave it there. guest: i appreciate her statement. i agree. i think it is a very american thing to have this debate. it's a very american thing to have to set. -- have dissent. that's the way this country operates. in coffee shops all across the country, people talk about these things. if i want to go to a diner in worchester, people ask why we are still in afghanistan. they wonder why we are not having that debate in congress. congress is becoming a place where we debate tribute -- trivial as issues casually.

we need to talk about this and we need to get it right and there are alternatives other than doing the same old same old. guest: she made some great points. why don't you in congress meet your constitutional responsibility? that's why we are here today. host: the work-study group, when is the first meeting? will it be open to just members open to cameras, what is the plan? guest: we are working together with jim's office and we will have the first meeting at the end of may. i will be the first host. we will rotate every month. we want to bring in any one that would like to join us. we are trying to get enough members of congress, anywhere from 201125 that would come sit on a regular basis -- 20-25.

we want experts on the constitution that can remind us that we have a duty based on our constitutional -- host: have other members joined the study group yet? guest: we have people calling in wanting to be part of it. there are a lot of members of congress who are hungry to have discussions on these things. to talk about the alternatives or the procedures. they are hearing from their constituents as well, why are you so silent on this? why don't you do your job? this is an attempt to try to force us to do our job. we will look at privilege resolutions and procedures to force this debate. this debate might be for some

it's a debate that has to happen. host: mark in clearwater, florida. republican. caller: good morning. thank you for letting america have their voice. on a bostonian, i'm familiar with mr. mcgovern's politics. if i recall, thousands of kurds were killed with syrian guestas. there were two resolutions for war. we told them we were coming in what the we were landing them on and he moved them out before we got there. there were cameras on the beach. the republican independent stated that bush lied. i would like to know now, what information he has to prove that

bush lied. that is the comment you made. guest: i have spent, ever since i voted for the amuf to go into iraq, i have met with people such as general anthony zinni who oversaw the iraq territory. he told me he was in constant contact with you when inspector, going in every day to see what saddam hussein was doing. -- with a you and inspector. i've talked to people on the in before we went into iraq and they all said it was manufactured. -- with a youu.n. inspector. host: corey from vermont. independent line. caller: this is for congressman

jones. i would like to know how far he has gotten with this bill on the 9/11 commission report declassified. when you was when what the bill is actually about -- would you explain what the bill is actually about? guest: we have read the 28 pages that came from the 9/11 congressional inquiry. what we want to do -- president obama has promised the 9/11 families on two separate occasions that he would declassify the information to 9/11 families. mr. president, please keep your promise. bob graham was up here this week

, i had a chance to talk with him, he has had in conversation with rand paul -- i asked rand paul yesterday to put the same resolution in on the house side. senator paul will talk to -- it's all about relationships. host: you were able to read them as a member of the armed services committee? guest: any member can read them. you have to ask permission of the intelligence committee and they would give you authorization. you go into a room and someone watches you read them. i read the 28 pages. the american people have the right to know the truth about who financed the 9/11 attack. guest: i was afraid to read

classified pages because i was afraid i would repeat it. it seems to me that people ought to know what their government does and what the government does. it's our job to keep everything a big secret, people can't handle the truth -- people's taxpayer dollars are funding this operation in washington. they ought to know what's going on. i'm all for letting sunshine in on what's going on. host: the war powers act passed in 1973. how will that take a role in your constitutional or study group is work-study group -- constitutional work-study group? guest: we will invite some constitutional scholars.

we will talk about what our constitutional responsibilities are and why we are not meeting the right now. we will file a privileged resolution in conjunction with the war powers resolution which says the president has 60 days in which to come to congress and ask for our approval. we are not doing that. either we disagree with the president -- he submitted an amuf. he has done his job. we had to wait for him to submit an amuf and he did. now, were told that we should not vote on anything, we ought to wait until the new congress comes in. we now have a new congress. we have exhausted that excuse. now, we're being told that we

can't come together on it because there are too many differences. bring it to the floor. let us have this debate and let people vote their conscience. if you don't have the vote, you don't have the vote. you can't do things without the votes. to say, well, it's too complicated, too uncomfortable or to blame it on partisan bickering -- walter is a conservative and i'm a liberal. we have a lot of differences. we have come together on this. this is not republicans versus democrats. it's about what we think is right and what is wrong. we are not the only republican and democrat below on this. you mentioned tom cole and adam schiff. there are lots of republicans democrats who feel as we do. host: any appetite for this in

the senate? guest: it's going to be interesting -- that's why we appreciate this opportunity to meet with you today. we just sent the first letters out this week, asking our colleagues to consider joining us in this study group. we will see how this develops. i hope we will get a lot of energy from people who believe in the constitution, scholars and not scholars and give us a bit of momentum with this effort. this is about our response ability -- response ability. host: senator kaine has been very vocal on this issue. all we are trained to do is to get this place, this congress to do its job. we could argue about every different positions. that's our different positions but right now, we are doing nothing. host: tom in clinton, maryland.

democrat. caller: good morning. these wars have cost the american people so much. we had the marshall plan for germany. our roads are coming apart. baltimore is an example of people in the inner-city that get nothing from the government. our money is going overseas to help other people. why aren't we spending money on our people to help them and we won't have all these shootings and riots? guest: i agree, totally. our nation's debt is $18.1 trillion. when bill clinton left office, it was $5.9 trillion.

that's why we are sitting here today, so frustrated because we are finding all this money to send to these foreign countries afghanistan for nine more years so that they can build roads and schools and let the taliban blow them up while we can't fix our roads and schools in america. it's time for america to have this debate, time for congress to reestablish the policies for this country. guest: we had a vote supporting this notion that every dollar we spend over here, we ought to spend a dollar over here. every dollar we spend on a road or bridge in afghanistan or iraq , spend at least a dollar here in the united states. if we did that, we would have created millions of jobs here and fixed all of our roads and bridges. it is frustrating when we have these budget debates and we are

told, we don't have money for infrastructure here, we don't have money to rebuild schools or invest in revitalizing neighborhoods. when it comes to sending money overseas, whatever money we don't have, we borrow and nobody says anything. to those who are fiscal hawks out there, they ought to demand that we pay for these wars or stop them. going to war on a credit card can no longer be an option. our country is paying the price. our constituents are saying, why are you helping us back home? we are told there is no money. that's not what we are being called when it comes to investing in these wars overseas. guest: general campbell, i asked him recently, would there ever be anyone in the military or

administration to come to congress when congress is funding a nine year agreement with a country and ever come back to congress and say look, i think four years i cannot see any changes, let's stop it? we won't do it. we will probably be there nine years after nine years. this is our frustration. it's not fair to the american people. host: george in jacksonville, florida on our public . -- on our republican line. caller: i would strongly suggest that we cut back to shock and all, pullout come up the christians and the moderate muslims out, send them to lebanon or other countries that will take them in and tell them we will be back if they attack us. there are six steps to islamic

conquest. diplomacy, immigration -- host: if you could, go straight to your point. do you think our current policy set up with -- caller: 100,000 troops, four weeks, pullout. guest: i'm not sure i subscribe to his solution. we ought to have a debate on it and people ought to be able to express their views. lyndon johnson had this great line -- he said it is easy to get into work, hard to get out of one. it's been too easy for us to get into these wars and no one can tell me how this ends.

the ultimate answer is, the people in iraq have to live with each other. you cannot bomb that into a reality. we need to think differently. otherwise, we are doing the same old same old. i don't think it has been worth it, quite frankly. host: kevin in manchester, new hampshire. democrat. caller: i just want to say, as far as democrat-republican goes it doesn't make any sense anymore. no one is working together. used have -- you should have general wesley clark on there with you guys. he talks about the destabilization of other countries because they don't want to use our paper money because our paper money is in deep trouble right now. the federal reserve is a private organization -- every piece of dollar bill that comes across

the bank has a debt attached to it. we are all working under debt. we pay our bills with debt, we're constantly in debt. we've had enough of your bickering. we could go over and stop this thing if we wanted to. there was a false flag attack to put the pressure on the american people. i can start my own business. -- can't start my own business. the states have stepped in and they want to take money from me when i'm not a part of anything? guest: i agree with kevin on 90% of what he said. this country is in financial chaos. i believe sincerely -- $18.1

trillion in debt -- i believe we are headed toward a financial calamity if we don't start dealing with the out-of-control debt of this nation. you can start that by having a foreign policy that makes sense and has an end to it. guest: we are frustrated too with the bickering and partisanship. we agree. host: how did this relationship form? guest: jim and i are strong together on home health care. a totally different issue. host: you were working together? guest: absolutely. we established a relationship, a friendship. it's through these relationships that you were less you have a lot more in common than you think.

you don't have to agree on everything to agree on some things. when it comes to war congress ought to stand up and vote yes or no on it. people who are watching, call your members of congress and tell them to join our study group, to be part of this bipartisan effort to demand that congress do its job. maybe we can change some things. host: the constitutional work-study group begins when? guest: it is being formed as we speak. we get members together and learn about what our options are. what are the different solutions to these difficult situations in the middle east? it is primarily organized to remind our fellow members of

congress that we have a constitutional responsibility when it comes to war and peace and we are not living up to that response ability. host: a privileged resolution after the break next week. crystal right will join us. also smith college economics professor on the nfl's recent decision to voluntarily give up its tax exempt status. we will be looking for your phone calls and comments via facebook and twitter. washington journal, live every day at 7 a.m. eastern.

them a lot of pincus on the situation in the middle east and opinion on the 20 -- on the 2003 invasion of iraq. >> one of the things about the bush administration, and those who would never claim to be a next bird on the middle east and in iraq proved it. we look at things from our own point of view and get deceived by it. you can go back to vietnam as a great example of the first time we did it openly. we have a history of trying to think that people like us want our standards and the world is different.

>> sunday night at eight pacific on c-span's q and a. >> john kasich is considering a run for the presidential nomination. a breakfast hosted by the christian science monitor he talked about the race. this is about an hour. >> our guests today is ohio governor john kasich. this is his sixth visit with our group. the last appearance was in 1997. it has been too long. our guest moved to ohio to attend the ohio state

university. after graduation he worked for a state legislator and at age 26 he ran a door-to-door campaign for state, becoming the youngest member ever elected to the ohio senate. he eventually served as the chairman of the house budget committee where he was a key art intact for the act of 1997. he left congress in 2001 and became an executive at lehman brothers and the host of a fox news program. he won an overwhelming victory in his bid for reelection last year. now on to this afternoon's mechanics. as always we are on the record here. no live blogging or defeating. -- no live blogging or fe tweeting. to help you relist -- help you resist that sophie urge, we will

e-mail you pictures. if you would like to ask a question, please do a traditional thing and send me a subtle nonthreatening signal. i will happily call on one end all in the time we have available. we will offer our guests the opportunity to make opening comments and we will move to questions around the table. thank you for doing this, the floor is yours. governor kasich: i think this is the first time i have been in washington twice in one week since 2000 when i walked out of this place. something must be going on for me to be here. it is nice to be back and be with all of you. i remember all of the old breakfast i used to do that in the old days when washington -- people got along and you can discuss things. i am thrilled to be back here and honored you would come.

>> we will start around the table with david jackson, phil rucker. elizabeth warner. carolyn ryan. that should keep us going. you are obviously thinking about running for president. is there a niche that you see yourself filling in the party? as you told chuck todd in meet the press that what you had was marx. than anyone else. governor kasich: not only having been in the legislator and congress but being chairman of the budget committee -- not just talking about it dollars budget but being one of the architects

to achieve it, and that i spent 18 years on the armed services committee. i have extensive national security experience. i went on for 10 years to find out if all of the things i have been talking about were true. turns out most of them were. an $8 billion hold, 350,000 private sector jobs, credit hanging in the balance. put a great team back together we are now structurally balanced. we are up 340,000 jobs. of a good resume -- i have a good friend who used to say don't tell me, show me. we have tried to show people what we have been doing.

the only thing i would tell you is it seems like the media tries to figure out who i am. he just seems to be an innate. the country has a lot of problems. whether you are a republican or democrat the anxiety is not that much different. what is a republican think, what does a democrat think you go for me it is about what americans think. can they make more money, is there a place for them, can i kid get a college education without mortgaging everything you have? how do i keep my kids off of drugs. these are all things. last year i spoke at the

atlantic magazine conference. turned out to be centerleft. everybody has the same concerns. in terms of my willingness to put myself in the box, i look at politics on a traditional way. i think you can be successful in that election in ohio. i was able to win 86 out of 88 counties. 26% of the african american votes, 50% of union households. i think it was the basis of the people that the state felt better.

economic growth is not an end to itself. we do everything we can to make sure that everybody can feel included, that everybody has a stake. i will try not to go to long today. david: you have spoken about helping others. everything you have ever done to let someone else, to give them some hope. it will be in the book of life and follow you through eternity. what is your take on what, if anything the federal government should be doing to ameliorate the kind of conditions causing the explosions in baltimore? governor kasich: just two days ago i unveiled i think the only program of a country involving police and community. i had 20 plus people on this

task force. the first was head of the highway patrol, head of public safety. the second was an african-american woman who ran for secretary of state. she is a fixture on msnbc. doesn't matter to me. nina and john born along with african-american ministers along with police representation, as this people political figures all set down with a consensus. the two immediate things we were doing was a statewide standard on use of deadly force.

efforts on recruitment and hiring of minorities. of we are going to move into a phase where we have a community collaborative. the transparency should be available to people whenever there is an incident. the ability to move police and community together. the supposedly problems of years ago. we put meat on the violence. some of the areas we think are important. we await the decision in cleveland. that was timely. we set this up months ago.

now we have to be in the community. the law enforcement community knows that we are serious about improving these relationships. i have been very involved in a lot of other activities related to -- i don't want to get carried away, but the issues of poverty. criminal justice reform. involved in the community in terms of flexing -- of fixing the cleveland schools. we have now created a mentoring program. two important african-american women. i believe that mentoring and

person-to-person in the schools encouraging, loving, showing people a different way of life, what can be achieved, they have told me that. in cincinnati there is a thing called the cincinnati collaborative. the graduation rate is 63%, made up fundamentally of minorities. the graduation rate is 97%. i believe that is critical. we can deal with some of our most vexing problems. we are involved in corrections reform. we have a low recidivism rate. 20% compared to a 50% recidivism rate. we are treating people for mental illness. we are involved big time in

terms of workforce training, making sure people get trained for jobs that exist. reforming our entire welfare program. when you go to a welfare office, you have somebody to coordinate your care, just kind of like we see in health care. so that the person can get the help and training they need and they are held personally responsible for what they do. it is a whole series of things that have allowed me to be in the communities. we actually meet our set-aside provisions. we have a highway program and we are building a highway to the cleveland clinic. we were able to set aside dollars to put -- to put aside

$3 million. 20% of that two minority contractors. we are in the community providing assistance to help people build small businesses. i made it clear we are not going to shut people off. there's a tendency to high -- to highway people. we need to build entrepreneurship in all minority communities. we need to stress into our women and children, regardless of race. i want to make sure everybody has a sense that they can get somewhere, that they can be lifted. we are involved aggressively. when you do a roof -- do a variety of things -- this is a

teamwork effort. you begin to develop some credibility and connections. there is a lot more to go before i sleep. >> how do you break out of what is a historically large republican field? case thing i am determining whether i would have the resources to win. if i don't see a path to victory i'm not going to do that. i love being governor. we are optimistic that we will have the resources to move forward. the you think it is going to be hard for me to distinguish myself from a group of politicians?

i'm going to do the best to talk to people i care about. what i am concerned about is frankly the drip of our country. i said there are two types of relationships that need to be healed. one is the relationship with our allies. i think those relationships have eroded over time. we don't have the deep relationships we need to be unified and send strong messages to people who clearly send strong messages back. the second area that needs to be healed is the relationship between republicans and democrats on capitol hill. we have a seeming inability to

have things work. i just ran into a democrat senator. she said, john you just wouldn't believe just how polarized every angus. america's inability to solve problems makes us weaker, hurts our kids, our families. it also sends a message to people around the world that america is losing its strength. that is not helpful to our allies and clearly our enemies. i'm going to talk about the things i'm concerned about. if it works, great. if it doesn't work, i may still have realized my dream of being on the pga tour. he mentioned my first election in 1978. of1978 iran against an incumbent.

no support within the party. the guy iran against was incumbent senator, democratic senator. he had a dam named after the family name you we have a representative here from croatia. of people thought a croatian was something that climbed out of the ocean. i ended up winning that election with one of the most shocking upsets in modern ohio history. it's what i do. i am a retail guy. i'm going to communicate as best as i can. i was the only republican to defeat an incumbent democrats in 1982. i won reelection. i beat an incumbent.

what is really interesting is obama carried cuyahoga county by 40 points. either i got it or i don't. it will be up to the folks to determine. i have had good receptions in detroit and south carolina and new hampshire. i'm just going to do the best i can. i tried this before. you have the resources you go away. >> your foreign policy in the middle east would look different then president obama's. would your middle east policy -- in discussing what you're middle east policy would look like, can you tell us where you are in dealings with iran and your position on a bill pending in the senate that would give

congress the ability to weigh in but also without a vote of disapproval. governor kasich: there were two interesting stories in the paper today. i don't know if they were both in the new york times or not. you begin to understand. i don't want to get into this. how about this guy that was driving the $75,000 lamborghini in iran and got into an accident and killed himself and the woman in the car with him. i don't understand exactly what is happening with social media but what is emerging is this bitterness toward those who have and those who don't have. those who have the special freedoms and those who don't,

which speaks to me about the potential of unrest over time and regime change. you lift the sanctions and make everything hunky-dory and you are going to have an ayatollah for a long time. i'm not telling you i think that is where the ayatollah will go. but it is far more likely when economic pressure is on that country. secondly, the fact we are negotiating with the country -- and we are going to put our naval presence in the gulf streets, because we are worried -- i think the quotes was we are worried about what our friends might do. if somebody is throwing bricks through my window and i'm afraid what they will do to me, i don't know how i make a deal with them based on trust. i'm concerned of a lot of things around this deal. one is the proliferation of not

just these weapons but also the materials. these materials are very dangerous when in the hands of people like hamas, hezbollah, and god knows what group will pop up next. a dirty bomb was a different thing. a dirty bomb is a terrible thing . the other thing is -- i don't even know the united states and iranians agree on what it is. the ayatollah says we are going to lift all sanctions. the first thing you have to do is make sure you are in agreement for what the agreement says. i worry about something that i have extremes being in congress. i look at things pretty simply. you go to the car dealership and

you are so hungry to get that car you will pay anything for it. a very silly way to do anything. that is a tiny little minor thing. if you involved in getting an agreement on this whole nuclear weapons issue. you keep responding to the ayatollah's position. i saw when the ayatollah said sanctions have to be lifted immediately and the president said something a couple of days later about maybe we can work on this that signals falling in love with the deal. i think the economic pressure ought to be kept on the country. with deteriorating relationships with some of our allies, can we? we try to trust the north koreans for many years and now we are worried they have a nuclear arsenal. countries in asia are talking about building nuclear weapons. if everybody has a nuclear weapon we know the possibility of their use goes up significantly.

do i think the senate should have say? absolutely. i saw that bob corker worked something out. i think it will be treated as a treaty. that is my sense. in terms of national security policies -- israel is our great ally and we need to support them. they live an extremely dangerous environment. we also have allies we have shared values with, the jordanians for example. i think administration after administration has been too soft on the saudi's. women can't leave the country. that's just the little things. think about the funding of some of these organizations that are on -- that are intent on not only destroying us but israel in a boomerang, we have been too easy on them.

the egyptians have been an ally. i'm glad to see the president has resumed military aid to egypt. that is a dose of reality. in terms of national security, i'm really surprised that we have not been able to gather tougher sanctions. we have not had the tough talk or action. it is our vital interest. i'm not a believer in nationbuilding. we have a military that is mobile and lethal. we can exert force and be successful and come home. there are ways where we can have common interest with some groups who may or may not be allies. i think we missed a great opportunity in syria, to be able to build support.

i look at a sod, i look at iran i look at has the law. was turkey one of the things we have to ask yourself -- one of the things we have to ask ourselves is did europe make a mistake by saying turkey didn't do well enough to be included with us. this is a big important country. we need to have good relations there. we need to be strong. the other thing i would tell you is when we are weak economically and we ring up all this debt, its limits our ability to conduct this robust foreign policy. i see we have this deal in congress. i'm going to have the chocolate cake today but i'm going on a diet next year.

this is a serious problem for our country. and our inability to address it is terrible. >> it is reported bobby jindal has accused you of hiding behind jesus. it did that happen and what is your response to that? what response do you get to republican primary voters why you did that? governor kasich: i'm really not hiding behind anybody. i don't have anybody protecting be here. let's get to the nub of medicaid. the last republican i can think of is ronald reagan. here is what i was faced with. i have money i can bring home to

ohio. there is no money in washington. it is people who live in my state. we have 10,000 people sitting in prisons who are mentally ill. we have more people sitting in prisons in america than we have psychiatric hospitals. that is a failure on our part to they d and two should allies the mentally ill and promised to take care of them. my goal is to treat them and get them on their feet and get them in a position where they work. many people with mental illnesses can. in our communities we have the ability to treat the mentally ill. there are things that can happen with the mentally ill. i don't want to put them in prison, have them come out, have

to make another mistake, have them and up akin prison, cost $250,000 -- cost money to be in prison. most of the people in prisons around this country are people who have -- they committed other crimes. but they have substance problems, addiction problems. we are in the prisons actually giving them rehabilitation and then we will release them into the community where they meet a community advocate. you go in, you come out, that isn't working. we think our recidivism rate in treating drug addicted -- if we are there in an aggressive rate -- aggressive way we think recidivism would be 10%. that is worth doing. take the working poor. the working poor without any health insurance end up in our

emergency room's. they end up sick or and more costly. i think it makes more sense to try to get them care so they can try to get the preventive care they need and then remove the barriers for them to be able to climb up and have better work. they are the working poor. i want to quotes my mother, who used to say it is a sin to not help those who need help, but it is equally a sin to help those who need to learn how to help themselves. we are in the process of reforming this welfare system which i talked about earlier. we are not just going to give somebody something. we are asking personal responsibility for those folks. sometimes it takes a while to get to the baseline. addiction is tough, addiction is no longer -- now you see heroine deaths among kids who could have gone to high school at chevy

chase. those resources are helping me to deal with it. that is what we are doing in ohio. we are seeing a trend of emergency room visits by the court. this is beginning to work. we have a robust job creating the economy. in terms of the spiritual side people don't have to think the way i do. i don't care fair humanist or a believer. people are made in the image of god. everybody deserves respect. the big i insurance.

how they ever win an election -- let's stop and think for a second. you have a young boy, he grows up in an environment where he wakes up and hears gunshots. he doesn't want to leave his house. we have a case in cincinnati where kids didn't want to leave. then he meets somebody with him on drugs. he doesn't know who his family really is. do we take that person and say they are not worth paying attention to? or do we take that person and say god knows if we can get them on their feet who knows what their potential is. maybe they will cure cancer.

for me there is no loss to human beings. if we have very bad people we will lock them up forever. if you want to work your way out, if you want to be a productive member of society you can. i think everybody is concerned about this. when i ran for reelection as governor, this is what i talked to republican crowds about. i didn't go out there and talk about obama or hillary or anything else. i talked about what we have done, what we do for people living in the shadows. there are a lot of people in this country who have a niece or a nephew or a son or a daughter or a friend who has depression. we know a lot of people too many people whose son died from a heroin overdose. these concerns are not republican or democrat.

on the spiritual side for me i feel an obligation to do what i can to help lift people. giving them something is not all there is about it. it is to get them out of the situation so they can arise. i was involved in welfare reform. those programs work but it needs to be improved. if you are the father you can't be in the family. if you make anything we throw you out or you have to go hide. what a system. if you are a working mom you lose your childcare. who was going to take a bonus and improve themselves if they lose the benefit of a bigger game? these are not simple answers. there are not glib answers to these problems.

david: i'm going out of the announced order so we can go to every organization for one before we go to anyone for a second. mr. stanley from buzz feed. >> what will he do for washington to be more colloquial? go back to the old ways? we have huge elements of your party, mostly the house, that look at compromise as an absolute no-no. how do you do that? what is your prescription? governor kasich: you change people one at a time. when i was budget committee chairman -- you ask people now if i might run for president they would change their story. if you talk to democrats about how i ran the budget committee i have a lot of friends that i've worked with. the republicans would say we are going to do this budget markup

and why don't we shut up after four hours? i said i want you to tell me why are we going to let the democrats win? my mother told me about pressure cooker's. pressure builds up and the top blows off. the leaders have to be able to explain to people that you don't have to compromise your principles to be a compromise or. social security, immigration infrastructure, where do you think that leads us? we can't balance the budget, we can't bring corporate profits home. whether you are a democrat, republican, liberal, or conservative, you know these corporate tax rates can't fix that either. i have 215-year-old daughters. they pay. the families pay. the community pays the community pays for failure. i am an optimist in the way in

which people can see a better way. it may be easier to fix a relationship with foreign leaders then to fix relationships between republicans and democrats but they are vital. i'm not going to get democrat votes on the budget. of we just passed a bill on lake erie. we have the unanimous vote in the senate and the support of the farm group and environmental groups. we passed infrastructure bills virtually unanimous. we passed human trafficking legislation way before they got to it here. unanimous. there are lots of things you can do together. the cleveland school reform. really tough stuff. virtually unanimous. just because some of the things differently from you, that's ok. i was involved in a government shutdown in 95. you don't poison the well.

i'm sorry but we can't reach an agreement here. i have to walk away from the table, which is exactly what we should do with regard to iran. i have to tell you, i have a lot of regard for jim jordan. i've talked to jim. he's a good man. he gets it. he'll give when he sees the good argument. i don't give up on this, but leaders have to be involved with both parties. and it isn't easy, it's frustrating. i'm frustrated with things right now in my state. but you don't knock the chess pieces off the chessboard. this is america. david: we are going to fill rucker from the post. >> a lot of republicans are saying they are looking for a governor who has some record of reform. three governors from big important and politically important midwestern states,

heaven or snyder of michigan governor walker of wisconsin. i'm wondering what you have done in ohio that makes you feel more qualified? governor kasich: i will tell you you can't be president if you don't win ohio. that's not even a question. i think they are all fine men. they have done a good job. what i am most concerned about is what happens in ohio. what happens is the economic growth, the inclusion. they have on the 64% of the vote. that is a reflection of the gains we have made. we were all in the republican governors association. they are all good people. nice date but i'm not taking it. >> there are things you have done in ohio -- governor kasich: we will get

back to you on that. i will tell you this -- it's funny because some people say is he conservative enough? one of the architects of balancing the federal budget, one of the people involved in welfare reform. we have a brilliant in the hole, a $2 billion surplus. one of the largest tax cuts in america, $3 billion with more to come. we kill the death attack and we help small business. i really wish i could take credit for all this but we have really smart people and they do a good job and that's how it works. >> thank you for coming. i will try to ask you a question without a long long answer. governor kasich: the problem with these things is they are not simple. >> you talk to cnn a couple of weeks ago and asked if you would attend a gay wedding.

you said you have been invited to one and plan to attend, and yet you remain as someone who believes that the government should define what -- should define marriage as a man and a woman. why is it that you think that people -- same-sex couples who you know personally should be allowed to get married, the people who don't should not? governor governor kasich: ohio passed the constitutional amendment to say marriage is between a man and a woman. to my friend, my question is what time is it? there is a time to celebrate people. reporter: do you believe it should be between a man and a woman? governor kasich: yes. reporter: why do you feel it to be different for people you know personally? governor kasich: i am for marriage being defin