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d it was probably one of the most luxurious buildings to be opened in washington for a decade. brian lamb: can the average citizen belong? director witmore: absolutely, the folger shakespeare library is there for the entire country. we have performed shakespeare's plays and audiobooks. you can hear our additions as you are driving around in the car. brian lamb: can you use the library? director witmore: to use the rare materials, we ask that you have letters of reference that say you have an important reason to use the material. if you have a really important reason, we want you to. it's not everybody in the whole world in that space, but the rooms are filled with people. some of them are very famous professors or editors, but some of them are high school students who are fellows. we bring them in for a month and do workshops, and they are using the collection.
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brian lamb: michael whitmore, we are out of time. we thank you come as director of the soldier shakespeare library for joining us, and we will continue this discussion. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> for free transcripts or to give us your comments about this program, visit us at q&anda.org. "q&a" is also available as a c-span podcast. >> if you enjoyed this week's "q&a" interview with michael whitmore, director of the soldier shakespeare library, here are some of the programs you might like. marc pachter.
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pulitzer prize-winning author edmund morris, talking about his career and how he liked. janetta cole, the director of the smithsonian museums's african art. >> monday night on "the communicators," acting executive director of first net tj kennedy on the creation of one nationwide broadband emergency communications network for first responders. t.j.: it would be able to provide a data network for first responders. police officers, emergency medical technicians who are responding to that incident, in the future, when the network is up and running, would have the ability to have video of things from the scene being sent to incoming responders to have pictures from the scene to be able to have important situational awareness data on where everybody is.
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today, not everybody would have the ability to see where the other ambulances are staged. a mass cap the situation, you would be able to leverage it for triage. you can go so far as to think of, today, there is technology like fitbits and wearable technology. what if that was done for emergency medical services where they could place that on a patient and get vital signs? not necessarily with devices today, but think of the innovation that can happen. if you knew where your patients were, you could track their vital signs and send them to hospitals and track them and make sure they are handed off and that there is continuity of care and that you are able to adjust to a changing situation. >> monday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on "the communicators." >> next, a discussion on the role of progressives in the 2016 campaign. then a look at the republican candidates for president. at 11:00 p.m., another chance to see "q&a" with michael whitmore,
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the director of the soldier shakespeare library. the british parliament has been in recess this month because of the elections. "prime minister's questions" will not be seen tonight. on "washington journal" this morning, there was a discussion on the role of progressives in 2016. this is 40 minutes. ard nationwide on xm channel 120. joining us from ann arbor michigan is anna galland, these active director of moveon.org. thank you for being with us. guest: thank you for having me. i appreciate the service that c-span provides an having these kinds of conversations. host: let's talk about where moveon.org is. martin o'malley is entering the race on saturday. bernie sanders will have a
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kickoff event. we will cover both of those of us, and hillary clinton is having what she is calling a listening tour. guest: first of all, happy memorial day weekend to everyone who is watching. and thank you again to c-span for having these conversations. moveon members around the country are a powerful progressive force, working to make our country better. we look at the 2016 elections as an opportunity to have a conversation on what we want for our future. will be have a country where our democracy -- terms of our politics are dictated by a big corporate interests and lobbyists? or, will it be a politics which works for the little guy. will we have an economy that works for everyone, where someone who works hard can make ends meet, have a decent life for themselves and their family? as we look of the 2060 election,
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we are hoping to have a conversation about what we need as a country. what we need are the kinds of policies that work for everyday americans. we need to have a conversation about how we can reduce the load of student debt that is currently being carried by students all around the country, students to graduate with unbelievable amounts of student debt. we want to talk about expanding social security. what would it look like for people to be able to think about their retirement and be confident that they can retire securely? what would it look like to break up the biggest wall street banks so that we are not at risk of another catastrophic economic collapse? many other issues. as we look at the 2016 presidential election, we look at all candidates on the democratic side and republican side. host: let's drill down a little deeper and ask you specifically
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about some of the comments. first, bernie sanders, who will have a campaign rally on tuesday afternoon. we will have live coverage getting underway at about 6:30 p.m. on the shores of vermont. he says that hillary clinton has a wealth problem, and when you have a wealth disparity between the rich and poor, that is a real problem. he told cnn, the more issue is what do we do about what he calls the good test -- grotesque level of inequality, and points to the amount of money received by bill and hillary clinton. guest: we do have a crisis and economic inequality. i agree with bernie sanders on that, and agree that our members would agree with that, and i think people on the right and left would agree that it is a terrible problem when you have a small group of people making millions or billions of dollars in this country, and the best number of americans -- vast
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number of americans do not benefit from that. there has been a boom and -- movement to raise minimum wage across the country, and i think you are seeing a rising tide to make the economy more fair and reduce the historic inequality between the rich and poor. we have been partnering with robert rice on the 10 big ideas that would make the economy better for all people. -- they are common sense ideas. things like, what would it look like if we were to break up the big wall street banks. what would it look like if we expanded social security, rather than talking about cutting it all the time? what would it look like to have debt-free college? they should be part of the presidential debate. one other thing that you are
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seeing is people like elizabeth warren -- moveon members tested stood with her and calling for these kinds of proposals, not just that, but also imposing giant trade deals like the transpacific partnership -- i hope we get a chance to talk about that. there has been a very exciting fight unfolding in washington on what the fate of the transpacific partnership will be. as a very big deal, and a big question in the presidential race, and a big policy question. host: we do want to talk about that issue as well. our guest, anna galland, the executive director of moveon.org , a graduate of brown university. i want to talk about bill and hillary clinton -- does their income become an issue for her moving forward in the present shall campaign? guest: i am most worried and i
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think our members are most worried, about the big numbers and politics. jeb bush told his millionaire donors that he would -- he wants to stop them from giving more than $1 million right now. he says, only give you $1 million right now, and save the rest for later. you have other candidates raising $30 million just in the matter of days. the system is awash with money. the money then determines policy outcomes. that is a problem. what we need is a constitutional amendment overturning citizens united. that is contributing to the and norman's influx of money in our politics, and that drives the kinds of decisions that our government makes. absolutely, i think we have a problem with big money in politics, i think it is bigger than any individual, and it will take all of us to turn it around. moveon members have been fighting the rising tide of money and politics for a long time. we presented over 5 million
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signatures to congress to overturn citizens united. we have been proud to stand with elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, and others, saying that this is a mess. host: (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. we have a line for independents. you can send us a tweet at @cspanwj. you can join us on facebook at facebook.com/cspan. do you want elizabeth warned to run for president? guest: yes. our members voted overwhelmingly in december to encourage elizabeth warned to run for president. we think it is vital that we see between now and the deals and 60 elections, a very robust debate -- between now and the of money in
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our politics? are we going to take on catastrophic climate change? quickly to fuel the global race to the bottom on environmental standards and worker protections? these are the kind of questions we need to be talking about the course of the 2016 presidential election. senator elizabeth warren is one of the most compelling voices out there. she appeals to have brought range of americans because she is talking common sense. we love to see your content. in the meantime, we are fighting right alongside her standing up against fast-track authority for the transpacific leadership to make sure we do not connect more giant trade deals that feel the race to the bottom. we are paying attention to the 2016 primary to the general
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election, and we are not waiting for the election. we are organizing people right now on these key questions that are taking place in washington and things around the country. host: you want her to run. you think she will ru -n? guest: she is not running now but there is still time between now and election day. people who are not tracking it quite so closely, there is the enormous trade deal, which has been proposed the obama administration wants it, a number of republicans, and a small amount democrats. but with of america does not. what we had with nafta was a trade deal that hurt american workers. litchfield the global race to the bottom in terms of labor standards and environmental standards and other things. what you're seeing right now in the fight over tpp is the leadership of someone like
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elizabeth warren is vital. she is calling out the fact that the tpp includes a provision that would allow corporations to sue the u.s. government if they are going to lose profits because of laws that the u.s. or any other country might an act. senator warren's voice is a reminder why america is so fired up about her at her message. we are held to be ending up next to her and make sure that the fast-track is not passed, and the tpp is not reality. host: here's what senator warren full bloomberg television less tuesday. >> matters to millions of workers across this country. it matters to millions of people who have to breathe the air
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entering the water. it matters to millions of people are going to eat food here in the united feeds. -- united states. the trade deal matters to me. >> could it impact you support in this presidential election? >> it matters to me. host: let's go to our life for democrats. good morning. caller: good morning. i think there might be some misconception about people making money in this country. i do not find there is anything wrong with people making money. it is when they use that money to try to hurt other people in the country is when it is a bad thing. when they put people in the congress and the senate that vote to not raise the minimum wage and cut medical benefits
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like medicare and medicaid, food stamps, things like that. that is when it is bad. host: thank you. guest: thank you for that point. we have a country with the door was and there is no reason that everyone -- that we cannot have a country where everyone is wealthy. for years now, to improve our health care system so that everyone can have access to quality and affordable health insurance through that has meant fighting alongside president obama to pass the most progressive and inclusive affordable care act. meant more recently fighting state-by-state to expand medicaid so that millions of americans who currently do not have access to health insurance guess that access. that is vitally important. we've also been fighting alongside all of our friends to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour.
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there is no reason why someone in this country should be working full-time or more than full-time and still not be able to make ends meet for their family and that movement has had a tremendous impact. walmart was pushed to waste -- raise its wages to $10 an hour. we just saw the city of los angeles pass a minimum wage increase. we have almost 10 million people who have been affected by the success of the movement to raise minimum wage. i agree with the caller that there is no reason why this country cannot allow everyone to thrive. we are seeing a powerful movement make that case, stating alongside tribunes like elizabeth warren was ending alongside champions like bernie sanders. we are having success in cities, states, and congress. host: independent line, good morning. caller: good morning.
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let's follow the morning. here are your three largest contributors to moveon.org. -- the money. who are your three largest donors to moveon.org? guest: we have thousands of small donors. we do not take any contributions larger than $5,000 if i was going to give you a list of our three top donors, i would have to give you a list of thousands of people who are truck drivers and social workers should contribute to our campaign. hundreds of thousands of people interviewed, that is what allows us to be so fiercely independent in producing a country where everyone can thrive. we are fighting for democracy that is not golden to the largest politician. hands down, beautiful equitable
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and sustainable economy that is what we are fighting for. we are accountable to know large donors, we are accountable to our members and the broader public interest. i brought of that, and i thank you for your question. host: harold, from new jersey republican line. caller: good morning. the clinton story is a long start. hillary was a president already. we have seen what she has done. what she has done is brought on herself, i believe in forgiveness and repentance, but i also never heard hillary clinton say i am sorry. she did not say that sidney blumenthal or any of her other friends should tell the truth. i am so sad -- do they have a shadow government? is that what that is?
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the clinton government -- foundation taking money from foreign governments, that should be illegal. if it is not right. host: a related tweet from carol who says that if moveon is willing to make u.s. better, how could you support hillary with all of her questionable activities? how will you respond? guest: thank you for the comments and questions. moveon members, they are are 8 million moveon members around the country, and we will be working to ensure there is robust debate about the future our country needs. expanding social security, breaking up the big banks, making college debt-free. reverse citizens united, where we take urgent action to address the climate crisis.
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there are a range of things we do as a country. we are talking as part of the 2016 process. we need all the candidates to be on the record until us where they will stand so we can have a conversation. we're not endorse any candidate at this point but we will be listening to what they have to say and having a robust conversation about where we need to be. host: is governor o'malley of progressive in your mind? guest: members were thrilled to see hillary clinton get in the race, and we thought for a long time it is really important for there to be a robust and real conversation on the democratic side as art of the 2016 presidential election. we look forward to hearing from all of the candidates. we want to hear them talk about what they're going to do to make the economy warfare. what are they going to do to make our democracy work for everyone? whether they going to do about the climate crisis?
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host: from philadelphia, mark democratic line. caller: good morning. my vacation -- big issue is turnout. when there was a dismal turnout last year. 70% of thee eligible american voters at home especially democrats. hillary is not going to win unless we get a turnout. there will not be a turnout unless people are motivated to go to the polls. i would like to hear your position on that. guest: my first position is that everyone should vote. that is the final thing -- fundamental thing we do as citizens to determine our country's future. but beyond voting individually we can enable our fellow
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citizens to vote, and there are a number of things. the republican party has been trying to prevent people from voting for the last number of years. they have been passing voter id laws that make it harder for the elderly, for students, or people of color to get to the polls and vote. they have been trying to reduce early voting, they haven't tried to block things like voter modernization rules that makes it so that when you get your drivers license you're automatically registered to vote. we should be expanding opportunities to vote, not making it harder for hard-working americans to get to the polls. wouldn't you be voting ourselves, and making it possible for fellow citizens to vote, and make sure we're contacting loss and passing laws that expand opportunities to vote, not constrict andthem. that is one of the biggest differences between the democratic and republican
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parties. thank you for your question. host: a quick question from james, and he was to know if anna can discuss the origins of her organization's name. guest: moveon started in an interesting historical moment when congress was spending all of its time pursuing impeachment against then-president bill clinton. moveon was founded by citizens of the united states, not political professionals. they started an online petition a call on congress to censure than president clinton and then move on to the pressing business facing the nation. that partition -- petition had hundreds of thousands of signers
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within just a week or two. when i think that moment showed which is still relevant today is that americans across the political spectrum get tired of political theater. they want a government that is focused on solving people's problems. on making it possible for people to have a decent life. if you're working hard for me should be able to make ends meet. it should not be a possible for you to cast your ballot because of these erred in some requirements, or other political games . those kind of common sense ideas have been at the root of who moveon is for a number of years. it remains today that we want to get back to the business of making this country work well for everyone. host: senator bernie sanders making it official last tuesday. on saturday, will have live coverage of for martin o'malley
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as he makes it formal, others getting in the race this week as well. all of that, on c-span. ryan from salt lake city, utah. caller: where to begin. the progress of arnie, they are in the republicans and the democrats. all of that propaganda she was saying about the republicans do not want to vote, that is baloney. the progressives do not believe in the constitution. they want to get rid of it. host: do you want to respond? guest: thank you for your call. respectfully, i disagree. i think we have seen that the republican party, almost as a matter of national unity has been voting for voter id laws in states like north carolina, in
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ohio out in oregon, other states around the country. the republican party has been trying to pass laws that prevent people from voting. that is just a fact. i think what the constitution says is that this is a country where everyone can pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. moveon members share the agenda, and are about defending the constitution. thank you for your call. host: an earlier question about how much money you would accept, this is from a viewer saying if i wrote a check for $10,000 to moveon.org, would you not accept it? guest: yes. we do not accept contributions over $5,000. i would say thanks, reduce your check, and come back later. host: democrat line. caller: good morning. i'm a 90-year-old world war ii veterans, and i am trying to get something.
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my idea is we need clinton in the office, and i could to suggest to her a new idea. i have a plan that has been presented, and it has dvds on it. i have a highway from may using the right-of-way 95, one going as one coming. 700 mile an hour training, it is all finished and ready to go. and that i could get that to her, and she would say we need jobs, i talked to the companies, they think it is wonderful. they say we need a 15 year job.
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host: to his one, and the larger debate about american infrastructure and rail travel that is going on. guest: one thing that senator bernie sanders has been proposing is a significant investment in infrastructure spending. everyone left and right can agree that it is almost criminal that our country is wealthy and powerful and has crumbling roads and crumbling bridges, and that we cannot seem to make the investments to repair those or invest in high-speed rail, or not even high-speed rail, but the basic kinds of safety investments that might prevent strategies like what we saw in the northeast recently. the broader point is that we as a society can and should be investing in our future. investing in education investing in infrastructure spending. investing in our young people. that is something that the common sense ideal should be
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seen from both hearties. host: host: hillary clinton back on the campaign trail this week. she was asked about trade and if she supports what the president is pushing forward on tpp. here is what she had to say. >> i have said i want to judge the final agreement. i have been for trade agreement, i have that against trade -- i have been against trade agreements. i have tried to make the evaluation depending upon what i thought they when produce. -- they would produce. that is what i am waiting to see. there are amendments being proposed right now that would direct the administration to cover certain issues or negotiate a certain way that i think have merit. i want to see how that turns out. host: in iowa this past week. did she answer the question? the trade deal? does she support or oppose? guest: we look forward to democratic candidates and elected officials all across the board, especially in the house
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where the decision is going to be made in the coming weeks about whether to move the transpacific partnership forward. anyone who is providing -- vying for the presidential nomination of democratic parties to speak out now and say that an enormous trade deal that locks in more power for giant corporations is a bad idea. it is a bad idea for america's -- america and the world, it is a race to the bottom. we look forward to hearing clear statements from democratic officials saying where they stand on the tpp. moveon members and labor organizations have come out with a clear and resounding no to the tpp, no to fast-track authority to pass the tpp. we look forward to hearing that stance from the house of representatives and officials in the coming weeks. host: marketwatch.com put it, she hunted on the question. guest: we need to see clear
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answers from anyone who wants the support of the democratic race. and not just democrats voters understand across the country that the tpp is a giveaway to giant corporations. one of the provisions that has drawn fire from people like elizabeth warren is something call be i sts. this says, if corporations think their profits will be threatened by a law that will be passed by a country like the u.s., they can challenge that law and get compensation for it. if a country wants to enact environmental standards, if they want to pass a law saying they want to prevent companies from marketing smoking too young people, if they want to rein in big pharmaceutical companies any of those could result in a lawsuit from a giant corporation, which forces the company to compensate the corporation for lost profits. that is crazy. we should not have corporations trumping the laws of nations. i look forward to hearing from
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hillary clinton and all of the candidates that are vying for the democratic presidential nomination. we look forward to hearing from them where they stand on tpp and on fast track. we look forward to hearing that they oppose it. host: from lancaster, new hampshire, greg is on the phone. republican line. caller: good morning. just a couple of points. why is it that the left always has to demonize what the republican party or the right , you know, what the right has as far as their political action committee? first of all, voter id. i am in a small town in new hampshire. you have to show an id to vote. you can't just walk up to vote. it works well. we prevent people from just walking in and voting. there is nothing wrong with voter id.
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you have to have an id to get into most places that are secured today. there's nothing wrong with voter id. i am echoing one of the callers. the last caller said this. the truck driver you mentioned who probably makes $60,000 per year and donated $5,000 to moveon.org, how many employees does moveon.org employee? guest: thanks for your question. briefly, imagine for a second, that you are an 85-year-old who lives any small town. you live in a nursing home, and you and i actually have a drivers license. you don't need to drive. there are publicly documented examples of this. these people have no way of getting a state id or it is the equivalent of a poll tax. there is no reason that we need these burdensome voter id looks
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-- laws. they are set up as if they are to conjure voter -- counter voter fraud. there are zero cases of documented voter fraud. they are unnecessary. they create annexed or hurdle. we don't need these things. there are states like texas who say you can use your national rifle association card, but you cannot use your student id? tell me a reason why that is not a pretty clearly, nakedly partisan move to try to encourage one group of voters to vote and discourage and other. that is the kind of thing that strikes me as underground like -- undemocratic and unfair. to your second question moveon , is a tiny staff of 20 people. our power is not in an enormous staff, our power is in our community, people who stand out in the snow and the rain and heat to make their voices heard in this democracy. they signed petitions make
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phone calls. we as a community are a powerful force working to make our country a place where everyone can thrive. working to raise the alarm about climate change, making our economy work for everyone, working to make our democracy the holden public interest and not corporate special interests. we are a powerful community, but we have a tiny staff. we punch high above our weight because of the power and thoughtfulness and passion of our members already the country. -- all around the country. red state and blue, around the country. host: based in michigan? guest: i am based in ann arbor michigan. we do not have a gleaming corporate office, we are based in home offices and local offices around the country. we think that is important. it keeps us grounded in regular communities. i get to hear initiatives. what is happening to the michigan economy? how are michigan roads, when i drove here this morning, i drove
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over potholes. what kind of experienced we have of the economy and democracy that we are building out here in the rest of the country, outside the beltway? that experience in -- of being based around the country is important in keeping us accountable to our membership. host: a few more minutes with our guest anna galland from moveon.org. dave, from florida. thank you for waiting. caller: would you explain your relationship with george soros? guest: this is one of these talking points that comes up on fox news time and again. early in our organization's life, we had a matching contribution from george soros that was matched by small donations from our members. we have not taken a contribution from him since then. that was in 2004. 11 years later.
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what is important for people to know is that moveon has raised and spent hundreds of millions of dollars over our organizational history, from hundreds of thousands of individual americans who care about this country and want to see it work for average people. we have helped elect president obama, we helped pass the affordable care act and make a -- make it more progressive than it was going to be. we worked for years and years to bring an end to the iraq war. we are fighting now to protect diplomacy with iran so we avoid another unnecessary war in the middle east. we are fighting for an economy that works for everyone, elevating elizabeth warren's message and her track record of standing up to the wall street banks, standing up to corporate lobbyists, standing for the little guy. as a community, we have fought for years for commonsense change that will make the country better. we do that with the support of
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hundreds of thousands of individual moveon members, writing a small check for $10, a tech for $20, making a monthly contribution. that is what makes us powerful. it is that grounded nissen a large community of americans who care about this country, and to work together to be more powerful together than we can be individually. host: marcia, democrats line. new jersey -- rather, florida. caller: good morning. i can't help but keep falling back to the same problem that the progressive or democratic function is not being represented in the local news media. nothing but lies. 90% -- even on bob schieffer show, which is coming up soon, "face the nation, al the senior republicans, rarely do you see a democrat in the conversation.
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charlie rose has interviews with people who really don't matter. and yet, get someone like tom hartman on there for an hour, that does not happen. host: we will get a response. guest: thank you for that point. i would say two things. one, the rise of social media has been an amazing development in recent years. people may have seen the vibrant, powerful, passionate protesters with the #black lives matter, calling for reform of police to make sure that individual african-americans are not going to be killed by police. that is opposite of what your police should be doing. they should be protecting the community, not murdering people in the streets. that movement has gained traction and visibility because of powerful organizing over social media. to your point that sometimes the national media or the local
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media may not reflect the stories that may need to be told, there is no a tool, social media, to make sure we can get these stories out. the black lives matter movement is a powerful example. second, i would say that moveon is actually organizing right now a video series with former labor secretary robert price to get commonsense ideas about how to make our economy work for everyone out to a broad audience. we had a video that robert rice spoke in where he talked about the dangers of the transpacific partnership, the trade deal we have been talking about. that video was be a by 3 million people without going through traditional media just , circulating on social media. that is the powerful moving of our stories and our message, and our case for what our country needs, but we can do if we share our stories and our message over social media channels and through moveon's e-mail community as well.
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i am with you. not all the voices we need to be listening to are currently circulating on mainstream news and mainstream media channels. we do not have to take that, we can organize ourselves using social media. host: our last caller is diane. caller: good morning. i just wanted to let her know that she has inspired me. i am's -- m sitting on a stack of poll tax receipts from the 1900s, from my grandfather from the 1900s. i am going to donate them to the local museum. they say you shouldn't be able to vote unless you own land. that is an old tax receipt. honest you are awesome, have a , great day. guest: thank you, and thank you for donating that piece of history to the local museum. i think what we see is there
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are, these movements pushing for an economy that works for everyone pushing for a democracy accountable to public interests, expanding opportunities to vote these are fights that play out over generations. they are not just about what is going to happen in 2016. this is the long haul of people who care about the country pushing to make it day -- better. that is the greater part of our democracy, and this memorial day weekend that is the type of values we should be standing up for. thank you for your call. host: we will conclude on that note. anna galland is the executive director of moveon.org. she is joining us on this sunday from ann arbor, michigan. the website is, of course moveon.org. thank you for being with us. guest: thank you. >> there was a discussion this morning on the republican candidates and possible candidates for 2016. this is a -- just over 40 minutes.
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>> we want to welcome back former republican congressman vin weber from minnesota. guest: a beautiful day. host: let's talk about the editorial that you wrote with lee hamilton. you say it is time to open up the process for the presidential debate next year after democrats and republicans have selected their nominates. -- their nominees. guest: the point we are making is that we are no longer republicans or democrats. i'm a republican pick -- but we are seeing record levels of discontent with the parties. over 40% of the public now identifies as independent. that is the highest number in the history of the poll. you cannot continue to march the democracy on without giving those people who are dissatisfied with the two parties some sense that they can be represented. the presidential debates have become institutionalized over the last 30 years, and that is a good thing. but what it has done, and the
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way they have been conducted is to freeze out the possibility of an independent candidate in other words, the candidate who wants to achieve status as an independent or third party candidate today, has a hurdle to overcome, by simply virtue of the fact that they will not be in the presidential debate. they are an essential part of the campaign, just like the nominated conventions. well in advance, we know already that an independent candidate cannot be part of the debates. they will not be treated as a serious candidate by journalists, contributors, or activists. we are asking that the system be opened up, not because i am dissatisfied with my party, but because i think the help of the political system depends on it. host: you are a republican, advising jeb push. ross perot's presidents on -- presence on the stage