lay. ces is the largest consumer technology show in the world. host: joining us on "the communicators" is andrew keen. as most recent book is "the internet is not the answer." what is the question? andrew: what should the operating system be for us? host: why is the internet not the answer? andrew: it is not the answer at the moment. it is not working currently. it is undermining jobs. it is compounding the inequality of economic lives. creating massive monopolies that were unimaginable in the 20th century. it is grading a data economy. all internet users have been turned into products. we have been packaged up when we

use google or facebook. we become the product. host: what you write in your book is that silicon valley of 2014 has all the social and economic hierarchies of 1914 without any of the social constraints of the old aristocracy. andrew: that is an interesting point. i wrote that. it is an interesting point in the sense that the old aristocracy had a sense of honor , i sense of obligation responsibility. i do think one could fit -- criticize the silicon valley. the internet has created a creation of a culture of rights rather than responsibility. we want to, want to, demand, demand. we want twitter. facebook. google. we're not willing to give anything back.

they are making large fortunes but they're not giving anything back. what we need from this new elite is acknowledge themselves as new elite with a sense of responsibility. some more than others. some has better senses. perhaps bezos will be a more it civic minded person. host: rather than an internet bill of rights, what we need is an informal will of responsibility. what would be included? andrew: from responsibility to behave toward each other with respect to respect other people's property enough to steal content online. don't hide behind anonymity or bullying so they commit suicide. having a real respect for the

consumer. we hear the ideology of the consumer. really it is the consumer who is being exposed. our data is being mined. companies like amazon need to show more responsibility. we have had a long struggle between capital and labor about working conditions. amazon's labor policies and distribution centers and experience of working for amazon is rather like early 19th century factories. they are incredibly exploited you'd we need to see more respected workers -- they are incredibly exploited. we need to see more respected workers. host: when it comes to internet privacy, isn't that how already out of the barn? andrew: i hope not. if the cow is out of the barn, you might as well i'll go home. i don't think the cow is out.

i think there is still an opportunity to maybe not put the cow back in the foreign, but reinvent the farm in a way that the business model works. it is a critique that is becoming increasingly accepted in silicon valley. at the moment, it hasn't worked in terms of privacy. they give their stuff out for free. we all use it. wonderful product. but they are collecting our data . they pass on to advertisers. that is where their fortunes lie. it is not just me. one of the original idealist of the internet has become so cynical about it that he caused this business model -- i think we need to acknowledge it back and rethink the business model.

maybe mark zuckerberg is watching repeat i would much rather pay $10 a month to use facebook because i don't want my data -- i don't want to be watched. i would be much happier to pay $10 a month for facebook. it is a great service. i could connect with friends around the world. i don't want my data being mined. it is more than just on the horizon. it is something that size fiction writers have warned us about for centuries, but is becoming real. everything we do, the internet of things, everything we where our cars, our homes are all connected. everything about us will be known. host: being here at ces what is it like for you? andrew: noisy. [laughter] host: are you enjoying saying

all of these products? does it scare you? were you? andrew: scary and exciting. at ces, you see products unfold. i had an internet startup in the 90's. i remember coming and seeing the future of connected music. we have the invention of the ipod and downloading. to date the future is in connected cars. connected clothing. education. we see that at ces. people say it is real. 2015 is one of those years where these great revolutions outside entertainment, the media come in health care, education transportation -- it is a

fascinating and scary experience. connected cars and clothing will create a more ubiquitous surveillance tape. host: the original name was an epic fail. andrew: it was something i cannot repeat on your channel. yes, an epic fail. the book is an attempt to evaluate the internet and the web. the internet is almost 50 years old. the first couple of chapters come i tell the story of internet. it is in late adolescence. we can i say it is too young. we are at a point where it has got to grow up. it is behaving badly. it's is not working.

a few more years until the anniversary of the internet itself. plus or minus. we were promised all of this great stuff. economic equality. opportunity. we were promised it would enrich us. the reality is the reverse. it has enriched a tiny proportion and is exploiting us. it does not working. i'm not against technology. i'm as wired as anyone. i'm not against technology. i don't think we should shut the internet down. at the moment, it would be -- if i were honest, it does not working. if it -- of the internet is not

just this thing in silicon valley. it is some things that worries your viewers. jobs. economic inequality. host: you write about silicon valley being superseded in a place called the battery. andrew: in the book, the battery becomes the symbolic car. it is the new social plus. michael burch, he sold his company to aol for a few hundred million dollars. some of that money invested in a car. the book is built around my experience of going to lunch th ere. burch presented the battery as this ability very in place that

would draw in the most interesting people -- eg alatarian place that would draw in the most interesting people. the battery is a club for the new elite. a place of fine food, wine, beautiful hotel with spectacular views over san francisco, but is exclusive and not inclusive. we were promised internet would be this includes the place for everyone, that it isn't. it is more of what we have had in the past. host: you seem to have an animosity towards uber. is that fair? andrew: i wouldn't say it is animosity. i respect them. smart guy. he has done an incredible job.

turned a small start up into a company that is worth millions of dollars. when i wrote the book, they have doubled since. i think he has done a remarkable job executing in a business sense. he has done a remarkable job. taking an idea and making it real. it worked. having said that, uber represents two or three things i find troubling. it is an example of someone who has no sense of responsibility. a party boy. frat boy. charming. good looking. comfortable at the ladies.

uber has made him more popular. it doesn't -- he doesn't seem to be able to grow up. he is not a kid with a shiny new toy. he has a profound responsibility. he is reinventing the world. his town to good jobs of time -- thousands of taxi card drivers all over the world. i would like him to become more of a mensch. become responsible. he epitomizes childish irresponsibility of the silicon valley arch burners who go from napping to multibillionaire's sometimes in the space of two months -- silicon valley entrepreneurs who go from napping to multibillionaires

sometimes in the space of two months. that is very convenient. i'm not a defender of the old system of dirty cabs and rude cab drivers. but the old world needs to improve. however, uber is problematic. they make no attempt to regulate their system. i will give you one anecdote. i was in detroit a few months ago. i was in the back of the cap. african-american driving. he was endlessly complaining about uber because it would put him out of work. he came out of jail. 10 years for manslaughter.

manslaughter is a pretty serious crime. get into a cat that is driven by seven who murdered someone and just got out of jail. uber isn't checking. we had a case and in it were one of the drivers raped a woman -- in india where one of the drivers raped a woman. the internet is not the answer. i'm not a european socialist. i'm not in favor of doing away with the market. the way the industrial revolution worked in the 19 century is that the industrial revolution only succeeded because of regulation. it doesn't do away with innovation or the entrepreneur boat we need more regulation with networks like uber. they say they're representing

the consumer, but they are not. thirdly, economics of uber exploits in terms of consumers. when it rains are there is a storm, they put their prices up. there are no defenses from being ripped off. uber claims it is emancipating anyone from becoming a cab driver. the reality is it is the new uber monopoly. $40 billion evaluation. that money comes from both wall street and silicon valley. it attempts to do away with mom-and-pop taxi drivers in every city on every world. we replace it with one single entity -- uber. that is why it is worth $40 billion.

uber represents the example of the new platform monopoly. very scary. it is a big data company. uber watches it. they are looking at our data. i don't want anyone knowing where i'm going. do you? and at&t innovation center -- what i like is it shows my commitment to innovation. we bring in smart people to talk about the way technology changes the world. we have an invitation only list of people. it is a fun way to think about

these challenges of the future. we had the ceo of -- the guy who invented google glass and self driving cars. we have investors. we have the guy behind draper fisher. it is an attempt to think about these issues. it is an attempt to turn the kids of silicon valley into grown-ups and make them more responsible. host: has tom perkins evers okun there? -- ever spoken there? andrew: i would love hit to. he was the -- i would love him too. he was original venture capitalist. he is an ultra libertarian right-wing.

the academy -- aepitome of a massively rich venture capitalist who is out of touch with reality. we don't have to worry about the impacts of silicon valley or living conditions in the bay area. tom perkins is a radical free-market guy. it is that opposition, the idea that the market can roll everything, the internet and its unregulated form is the answer it is guys like tom perkins i have written this story. host: "the internet is not the answer" is the name of andrew keen's book. this is "the communicators" on

c-span. >> we also spoke with the creators of new technology at ces. host: ces gives out innovation awards. zutalabs won one of those awards. you are out of jerusalem. >> yes. host: new technology. congratulations on your award. how old is this technology? >> it is very new. we haven't seen any robotic printer out on the market yet. we are excited to show it to you guys. host: what have you got? >> the first mini robotic printer. host: robotic. >> the printers we have at home -- we took it out of the big box and put in a smart robot and it rolls across the page printing.

host: let's see how it works. this is the printer itself? >> yes. you can print from any device. phones. computers. microsoft word. i will open a recent item. we'll print out a graphic. i will show you the complexity of the image of the different types of black and white it has. host: that is your brand name. >> yes. we click check. if put in the size of the paper. you could print any size paper. it is not limited to regular standard paper. click continue. the way it works is there is a 90 degree angle on the printer.

that is how it lines up. beautiful design. as soon as it is lined up, click print. there it goes. host: as we watch this happens do you have ink inside? >> yes. iover 100 pages worth of ink. this illustrates the movement of the printer. host: how did you get this fund it? >> kick starter. we have amazing support. thank you for all of the support. we wouldn't be here if it were not for them. now we move from their to the ces innovation award. host: if someone were to print

out a document cut how long will it take them? >> one page is under a minute. it depends whether it is a text or graphic. under a minute. host: i don't know if you could see the "z" and the "u." we will try to get it in. when will this be on the market? >> hopefully -- and there are preorders are now. $199 to buy a printer. we're selling ink at $19. the point of my excitement is there a bigger companies that charge a lot further ink. -- for their ink. host: where did you come up with the concept? >> the founders were sitting in a coffee shop.

we need to print. we couldn't. we looked for printers. non-looked as beautiful as this -- none looked as because this. this is zuta pocket printer. host: by zuta labs. thanks for your time. >> here it is. it is done. host: "the communicators" continues its tour at ces in vegas. this is where a lot of startups and new technology is demonstrated and exhibited. we turn to the ceo of a company called lexifone.

>> it enables you to speak in your language and you hear their language -- and they hear their language. host: what happens? >> you spoken was. they would hear you speak in my spirit with a couple of seconds. it would translate -- they would hear you speak in english. it would translate. it is like a normal conversation. host: what is that technology making this happen? >> we have a platform in the cloud. you speak. we use a combination of technology of voice recognition and translation. host: where did you come up with the idea? >> there was a linguist who lives in isreal.

he was a visionary behind the technology. he was thinking of a star trek type of translator for many years. it was his vision to do this. we started commercializing in 2013. we have helped bring it to the marketplace and get it out there. host: when do you foresee it being in the market? >> it is in the market today. we have our first customers. you to our website www .lexifone.com. first ten minutes free. you could buy it on a pre-pay basis. host: this is the first of its kind of technology? >> real-time in call language translation.

we help many people communicate. host: what is your background? >> i worked in telecom. i started with local and wir eless, etc. i have been ceo of multiple companies. i have had an opportunity to look at this company as an investment. i liked it so much i decided to join it. host: you are based in new york? >> rochester, new york. host: lexifone. rochester, new york, and isreal. thanks for your time. >> you have been watching "the communicators." if you would like to see more, go to c-span.org/thatcommunicators. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its

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i love you. i love you. over and over again. in my 42 years since, he never stopped holding my hand. he never stopped telling me just how much he loves me. my hand wasn't the only hand he held. beau's hand was the one everyone reached for in their time of need. that is my brother's story. that is his story.

and on his accomplishments, but they were many. became one of the most popular elected officials in his state. a major in the army national guard. but to me, my brother is not defined by his extraordinary resume. he is defined by the quality of his character. the one who always held you close. always made you feel safe. always made you braver then you might have been. the one you could always count on for special kindness. the one who listen.

the one who is always there when he needed him the most. >> vote biden was 46 years old. he is survived by his wife. we will air more of this later on c-span. the supreme court has ruled in favor of a muslim woman who filed a lawsuit against store abercrombie & fitch after she was denied a job because of wearing a headscarf for religious regions -- reasons. the court ruled 8-1 that they not have to ask for religious accommodation to sue. this is one hour. >>