>> turning now to the shootings in south carolina. a 21 euro suspect has been charged.

the controversy of the confederate flag has resurfaced after the shootings. governor nikki haley speaking to reuters said her state needs to address the question of why a confederate flag still flies over the state capital. the c-span was at emmanuel church a few years ago for a conversation on its history and cultural significance. >> denmark vasey was a quintessential charleston man because he represented the majority of the population here, which was a black population and an enslaved population. and through his actions in an effort to organize a conspiracy, spoke to the aspirations of african people in this city and through the south in the early 19th century. he was a member of what was known as the african church in charleston.

it was an independent african-american denomination in the city affiliated with the ame church or the african methodist episcopal church that had been founded in philadelphia in 1816. this is a significant development. a significant point in history because the black charlestonians that created this and affiliated with the church in philadelphia were affiliating with an abolishist church and attempting to run their own affairs in the midst of a slave-owning society. as you might imagine, that african-american church and its leaders and the members came in for persecution and the church was closed down on more than one occasion. leaders were temporarily arrested.

we think that it was probably the persecution of this church as well as denmark vasecy's personal dissatisfaction with his inability to enjoy all of the full fruits of freedom in a slave-holding society as a free black and his inability to obtain freedom for his children. he was unable to purchase their freedom. it may have been the convergence of all of those factors that led him to begin to organize a conspiracy of sleeves in 1822. let me tell you about the plan. the plan was to organize slaves in the city of charleston and for them to arm themselves, set fire fire strategically to a number of occasions around the -- set fire strategically to a number of locations around the city and call in slaves from around the city.

-- around the area to occupy the city. as it turned out, words would leak out and there were some informants, slaves themselves that informed on the conspiracy and denmark and others were arrested. they would be tried and a trial on these kind of accusations virtually always led to avon -- led to a conviction and execution. and indeed, in the summer of 1882 denmark vesey and 30 others were executed by hanging and 50 others convicted of being involved in the conspiracy. today, we are standing in front of emanuel a.m.e. church in downtown charleston on calhoun street. this church is symbolically and substantially important because

of the connection to denmark vacy. the original builder for this church in 1865 was denmark vesey's son. the members comprised the nucleus for this congregation and place of worship when the african church in effect reorganized and reestablished in the city of charleston in 1865. >> nine people shot and killed at emmanuel ame church wednesday night. a 21-year-old suspect has become charged. the confederate flag has again become an issue. lindsey graham says at the end of the day it is time for people in south carolina to revisit the decision to fly the flag at the capital saying, "that would be

fine with me, but this is who we are. it works here." more on this morning's washington journal. : let's try this. clarence page, chicago tribune your take on what happened. guest: i think president obama expressed the sense of deja vu all over again, to use yogi bear. -- a yogi berra line. we have gone through this so may times and we get very wary about it. president obama was struck by a because he and his wife knew the pastor of the church. they have been there. that church is a go to place for

politicians coming to town or anyone who wants to connect with the black community. there is a frustration on the part of folks in washington who want common sense gun control laws that nothing is going to happen, even after sandy hook and having 20 children and half a dozen adults killed by some loony kid with a gun. if that did not move legislation, what will? there is a sense of gloom and despair. i look at obama and wonder what happened to hope and change eight years ago. it was excitement about the possibility of progressive change and it seems that hope has evaporated. host: obama seems to give ground on gun control. there was no call for voters to mobilize and express their outrage at the ballot box as

obama urged two years ago. no policy recommendation was unveiled. vice president biden had already overseen 23 executive actions aimed at curtailing the proliferation of weapons in the united states. there were no tools left at his disposal. his inability to pass gun-control legislation is a test of america's ability to take care of its children may rank as his most personal defeat. guest: i was struck how obama almost shrugged saying, maybe someday. he was essentially saying not in this administration. the only way you get things

moving especially on something at issue this thing and complex is a cultural change. how do you have a change in the culture without people talking about it, without debating? when you have a situation where a majority of americans say they support a universal background check, this includes a lot of gun owners, who wants guns in the hands of the wrong people? that is a fundamental. when you cannot move legislation around that, there's something wrong with the system. i am not going to call the public stupid. we're just not talking about these things in the right way. we do not have enough leadership. things are being steered by lobbyists and other forces, not what we like to think of as real democracy. host: is this a gun issue mental health issue, racism issue? guest: it's everything.

people look for magic the lips, but it is true. they look for some magic bullet. you look at canada, which has high gun ownership. they do not have many people committing mass murders. we do lead the world in that regard, if you call that leading. it calls for an open discussion. new york has got a much stronger gun safety law, universal background check, surrounded by

-- you cannot buy a gun in chicago, but you can go to another nearby state and get it. that is why you have a difference in the amount of crimes committed with a gun. this is something that requires open discussion and concern. if we say nothing can be done, nothing will be done. host: we will put the numbers up on the screen as we consider -- as we continue our conversation with clarence page. the first call up comes from ronald, lafayette, louisiana democrat. caller: i have written quite a

few books over the years. i believe, make it smaller. you make smaller government, you have less organizations to make sure people that have mental health problems do not get guns. if you have a home, why should you not, if you are mentally stable, have a gun to protect your family. if you want to go hunt, you should be able to do that. they need to inspect who they are giving guns too. i am for gun ownership. people that are mentally stable should have guns. if they are not, we need government that is there. not like rand paul, seeming to say it is a good ring. if you take away government, they cannot do background checks. if you do not have people investigating people on the internet, threatening to do this

or that, and they get a gun or they threaten to do something at a school or these republicans want to send the jobs overseas. they think it is great. you put more stress on the people here and if you look at the newspapers crime has went up. violence has went up because people -- host: ronald we got the page. any response? guest: he packed a lot in there but he makes a good point about the need for government to be able to screen people who want to own a gun. i'm not in favor of taking everybody's guns away. that's not going to happen. i'm not in favor of the idea of us not having any gun ownership at all. despite what the n.r.a. says

that progressives are tout to take everybody -- out to take everybody's guns away. but i think we need universal background checks that was even advocated in the 1910eu990's with no exception. he doesn't hold that position now because he doesn't have to. they have so much of the edge now, they being the gun industry they fund the n.r.a. much more than its members do and for very good reason because they have been able to virtually shut down debate over this issue. host: rand paul spoke yesterday. [video clip] [video clip] >> you have to have people in government, people who are religious and there's not nearly enough. we have had the shooting this morning in south carolina. what kind of person goes in a church and shoots nine people? there's a sickness in our

country country. there's something terribly wrong but it won't be fixed by your government d. is people straying away and not understanding where salvation comes from. and i think that if we understand that we will understand and have better expectations of what we get from our government. host: clarence page, a sickness in america that won't be solved by our government. guest: well, there is a sickness but he says it can't be solved by government what about those who can't afford psychiatric care but need it, who will provide that? that is a thing we have a collective responsibility if we can't say on one hand we don't need gun safety, we need more mental health but don't fund it. it is mostly state level and county level issue we are talking about here. i don't know of anybody who has adequate funding that doesn't

have a waiting list for people who need care. i think we need to talk about public-private partnerships around issues like this. it is too complex for a single one magic button solution. host: we have there tweet. why is daily gang violent especially in your city given a pass by the mainstream media and hrorpb lone wolf shootings bring outrage. guest: that is the kind of thing i have heard from the right that is glib and true. as i said earlier there is another complex issue but there are reasons we have had a surge of violence the last few years part unintended demolition of high-rise public housing that needed to be demolished but they misjudged where people were going once that was accomplished. and them we wound up with chaos

on the street level between rival tkwapbgsgangs. i know the right likes to sound persecuted. that is a very popular thing. everybody wants to claim it. i see no reason why people should feel like the mainstream media such as it is is clamping down discussion and debate on this issue. it is not. host: orlando des moines, iowa independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call and clarence page it is not seeing you on here. usually i see you on the mcclarin group. guest: the group. caller: yes. i have seen organizations who hate and want to kill all

americans but why should they try to kill us if we are hating and hurting each other because of race, religion or sexual orientation. instead of fighting the enemy we turn our guns on each other. as i say that and thank you for taking my call and nice seeing you, clarence. guest: well, i must add to that it is sad that we are turning guns on each other. one of my initial reactions to this horrible tragedy in charleston was we don't need a young white fella to come in to our churches and kill innocent people. we have enough black folks doing this and it is a fact. this has been a real problem in the black community for a number of years partly a result of the economic and social displacement we have had since the 1950's. adam dunn, back to the trade issue that occupied a lot of time on dispatch and elsewhere

in recent days as we discussed our trade relations. that is a major factor in the disruptions that have led to the de-industrialization of chicago parts of baltimore and other cities and comes back to the problems on the streets. one thing we're importing is guns and drugs and that can't go on. host: part of our discussion you were listening on the radio on the way in. guest: i always listen to c-span. gets my heart pumping. host: part of the discussion was about whether this was an act of terrorism. whether this was a hate crime. whether this was just a lone wolf criminal. what is your view? guest: i like the word terrorism better than hate crime. every crime is a hate crime. it is a serious issue but we don't really have the language that applies the way it should. bub it certainly is a terrorist

move move. in young fella apparently, the suspect apparently identified with white supremistacist groups and not neo-nazi but wore the flag of apartheid south africa and road desha and now the ku klux klan and it is a terrorist organization and they terrorized black next and anybody that sympathized with them during the awful days during reconstruction. and this is true today. why is this young fella, who lived 116 miles from charleston. why did he come down here to there church? i think it is quite obvious this was about a terror attack and essentially like a suicide

bomber. he was not going to get away with it. now his young life is thoroughly ruined. why did he do that? some kind of fanaticism that guides the terror of isis and al qaeda. host: this is a call from salisbury, north carolina, democrat. caller: ever since this president was elected he's been disrespect disrespected a lot by blacks. you don't call him president. you call him obama. you add cornell west and tavis smiley and black ministers criticizing him. i'm 70 and we were poor as dirt but i had a background good enough to get me a weapon and i'm tkpwggoing to carry it. and you can call it whatever you

want t. want. it is nothing but terrorism. when a white man does something it is oh, he's deranged, he's mentally ill. they got mentally ill people in other countries and they are not out killing each other. you can set there with them glasses looking like a rat looking through eyes or a frog looking through ice but you have disrespected him instead of helping him to get legislation past. guest: i appreciate jurising my glasses. i'm not sure what i'm responding to now. he touched on several things. i will just let it rely. host: what about the issue -- this sis we often hear from callers saying this president is the most doesisrespected president in history.

guest: i have often thought about that. i covered bill clinton and miller and you have to go -- hillary and you have to go something to beat them. they were accused of murder, drug smuggling and all kinds of things that came up during those years. i think it is a coarsening of our politics now and no matter who is sitting in that spot. but i was surprised by just how vehement the backlash was against barack obama and whether it was because of his race but i was shocked by the backlash against hillary clinton after bill said vote for me and get one free in 1992 a fair lin knockous statement bush fairly innocuous statement. some with fuming over the notion of the first lady having something to say to the president while he was in office. so emotions are part of

politics and we just have to deal with that. i think that i was with president obama on the night of the gridiron dinner and i theuink he has been able to deal with the positives and negatives of the presidency with remarkable grace and he should be proud of that. host: this tweet if south carolina is sorry the only way to prove it to me is take down the flag and treat all people equal. this article from the post and occur remember despite mourning the state house confederate battle flag is at full staff. guest: there were some compromises made in recent years but nevertheless i think the flag should be treated as an historical electricalrelic. not like it is going on today. i had an elderly virginia gentleman once told me the war

between the states didn't under in 1865. that was just intermission and i have found many people that is reality. but the fact is i wrote an essay once for "the news hour" when it came up during john mccain's campaign how much white southern heritage folks and how much black southern folks or african-americans in general have in common. we both live in the past it a large degree and have long memories. i said african-american alzheimer's we forget everything but the grudges. we remember way back it slavery as if it was last week. and so do a lot of southern heritage folks and apparently the suspect roof was a southern heritage fanatic of the worst kind and i don't think we

automatically think that confederate flag moons -- means the person who owns it is a ku klux clansman. i'm a vietnam era veteran and we don't reenact it but people born decades after the civil war still go out of their way to reenact the great battles. there is something in the american spirit awarewe are dealing with that can't be casually dismissed. but black folks see a rebel flag and they cueku klux klan and i'm talking to fellow americans about there and it is not easy to persuade them otherwise. it is a reality. you don't wave the red cape in front of a bull and don't wave

the confederate flag in front of black folks and expect them to clear. caller: good morning, mr. page. first of all i would like to offer my heartfelt condolences to the victims and families in the state of south carolina. it was a horrible action and it always goes back to the gun owners and makes us look bad. what i really want to comment on today is the situation and mr. page mentioned it, talking about gun ownership in comparison with canada and they certainly are well armed up there there. but they do not have the violence to any comparable level so it makes me believe it is more of a cultural issue. you mentioned the black on black crime that is there. but it seems like not only african-americans but just a

certain demographic -- i don't know if you want to say it is under 35 or 25 or whatever it is. it seems like they are disenfranchised to the american experience and i don't think -- touching on gun laws there is a universal background check. it is impossible to buy a firearm without a bound check from any retailer. you can go on line or any pawn store or gun shop and they will not sell you a gun. the only way you can purchase a gun illegally is if you are to contact someone say on craigslist and meet them in the parking lot and they give you a gun. i own numbers firearms and i have never purchased one like that. my family has numerous firearms and we have never purchased them like that. i have never known anyone to purchase a firearm like that. given the fact we've numerous

gun laws that are never enforced and we have these constant repeating career criminals that obtain firearms and using them in crimes and the crimes escalate into violence because away really can't take what happened yesterday as a common occurrence. the media blast them and they are really insignificant compared to crime on a daily basis. somebody goes to rob somebody else. host: we'll leave it there. guest: certainly we have crime on a daily basis unfortunately. it tends to happen in the same neighborhoods and demographics. a massacre like there is big news because it sis so unusual but it could be more unusual but sadly enough it is remarkably usual the last 20 years with various episodes of people shooting people in churches or

the mass murders we have seen in various schools and other public locations, movie theatre. where will it happen next and my question how many more have to die before we get serious about a comprehensive remedy for the situation. because right now we have had a lot of -- we have allowed it to be a local situation and governed by state laws and which is ok except it is so easy to go from one state to another. we are still dealing with this as though we are talking about the 1700's and we are not. part of the cultural difference is gun ownership is most popular the farther out in the suburbs to rural areas. the more rural areas, like illinois for example you have chicago that has very much pro

gun control, pro safety, whereas downstate the folks are more accustomed to guns being part of life for hunting and defense. so it is a kind of a cultural gap we have to deal with in a diverse country. host: there is something i learned and have no memory of, july 1, 1974 martin luther king's mother was killed while playing the organ in church. guest: i remember it very well because i was an assistant city editor and assigned a couple of reporters and photographer to cover it and the young who did the killing was a young black man from columbus, ohio. i'm a native ohio fpb -- ohioan and i didn't have the history of murders that i have now. but it was the kind of thing a lot of us forget because there are so many bizarre murders away

forget them. host: your perspective on this last year in america beginning with ferguson, new york, north charleston what happened had charleston. cleveland, some of the other places we have seen some either violence or police actions, et cetera. guest: what strikes me about all of these is what they have in common is modern media technology. you have cameras everybody has a tv station in their pocket called a smartphone. so you flip it out and you can take video of whatever is going on and put it on the would be instantly and it can go out to the world. plus, you have twitter. this is the age of the hash tag and hash tags like black lives matter or bring back our girl. instant movements is what i call

the flash phb -- mob politics. that is how tea party started and occupy wall street and we have seen there become integral to the whole debate over police conduct conduct. is it something new as far as the episode? the only new thing is the video. look at ferguson that came up earlier, compared it cleveland or new york where you did have video. look how we are still arguing about whether michael brown was an innocent victim or not. but we don't argue about that with the other episodes where we've video. host: amanda in rockville maryland democrat line. caller: hi. i would like to add that i'm 15 and i was on here 1 1/2 months ago with greta in baltimore.

we don't really know the motives of the shooter although probably a guy who got maybe caught up with propaganda on the internet. we don't know. but i have heard a lot of perspectives from college that are simplistic and -- callers that are simplistic and liberal agenda. wanting to push guns. but this is like the united states culture as set by the media outlets and our own leaders who, you know, they are in the political game and they have to play on emotion and so do demographic factors simplifying things and they don't consider the impact of geography, culture and under

underlying societal conflicts that are impacting today's generation. i believe that our country would be better served if we had leaders like loyd feinstein. guest: who host: lloyd blankfein. caller: he doesn't let emotions effect his. he evaded most of the investigators' comments but he did so in a way that was clever and what i'm saying is that we need people who are impartial, who do not let emotions impact them. who take in all the perspectives and try to put it into one coherent narrative. host: amanda, thank you for calling in and watching.

hope we hear from you again in 30 days. any reaction for that young lady? guest: she is right about letting emotions getting in the way of rational thinking. but we are not mr. spock but we are humans but she is hitting on something about the need for cultural change whether we're talking about the gun debate or whatever. we see good examples of the impact of cultural with things like marijuana legalization and gay marriage. a decade ago i think i did say i wouldn't see these in my lifetime but i have been astounded how things have changed the last 10 years. what seemed like would never happen is part of the landscape and a politician can be put on the defensive if they don't have the right thing to say about those issues. that is because of cultural change.

that is where the politicians are trying to catch up with the change in the culture. i saw the same thing around civil life after legislation in the 1960's. conservatives were saying we can't change what is in people's hearts but once you give people permission by law to not discriminate, it is funny how much they rush to show how much they are not racist or sexist. we should not give up too quickly on these issues. host: wild and wonderful tweets if you want to understand the recent history of institutional race racism read the pre-1960 deeds in your local record room. richard, hollywood, florida, independent, you are on the air. caller: how are you doing, sir? i want to say something. you tphoeknow who i blame for what happened in charles 10? i blame the tea party and

republican party and right wingers. this young man said something before he killed those people. he saeudid you are taking counter. it doesn't take a brain scientist to realize where he got that from. the tea party started it when this president walked into office saying that they wanted to take their country back. what is happening is these politicians have family and children and they have people look at tv and when you hear leaders -- i can't imagine how someone like some of these politicians that same some of the most vile things about there president they have children. if they say that in public i wonder what they say about this president in private. we need to stop kidding around trying to pretend we don't know where this came from. this came from white folks who

have gotten mad because this president walked into office and they have been saying all types of hateful things and it is coming home to roost. we have to stop getting on television and saying these hateful -- i'm a gun owner and i'm a concealed weapons carrier but just because i believe that a person that is halfway mental shouldn't have a gun don't mean that i'm against gun rights. just because i say some police officers are not for the good of people don't mean i'm against every police officer. but when it comes to the tea party and right wingers you can't have a conversation with them because logic means nothing to them. host: richard, before we get mr. page to respond do you carry your gun with you on a regular basis in florida? caller: i carry it with me on a regular basis, yes. host: would you have had it with you wednesday night at bible

study? caller: i have carried my gun to church. host: do you think in your mind that you would have reacted to what happened there? caller: because i'm a veteran and i know this, there are some loony people because when you look at media and all this stuff that people say and hate, i carry my gun with me. so you always have to be prepared because you never know. i have four children, six grandchildren and i'm going to protect my family. host: thank you, sir. clarence page. guest: well, an issue he brought up initially was in regard to the atmosphere established or inflamed by the right wing. i saw the same thing happen in the 1970's inflamed by the left wing with the s.d.s. under ground and underground.

everybody in politics has it wear the jacket of the atmosphere set up in certain times. i have heard people on the right and left talk about taking the country back depending on whether they were in power. this is the nature of our political rhetoric. i think that away need to -- we need to tone it down and be more intelligent or we provide more fuel for the rage of folks who are mentally unbalanced. host: from the washington times gun rights supporters call for more concealed carrying in churches. it talks about the case in colorado at the new life church and where gene assam was a voluntary security guard and killed the shooter prior to the shooter getting in the church because she had a gun with her. what do you think of concealed

weapons in church? guest: that is almost the standard response for any of these gun related tragedies, that the gun ownership advocates say what we need is more begins. we saw waufrpb lapierre say that a popular response for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun but it is not so easy to tell the bad from the good and so much as we come up with scenarios of people defending themselves or the one you mentioned there are many more cases of people who were killed or members of their family killed because of a gun in the house and had there not been a gun it wouldn't have happened. you can use anecdotes to argue for any side and we feed practical solutions. host: we've it tweet occasions are coming up with all kinds of excuses for there racist thug.

why can't they face it and call it what it is, racial hatred. randy iron caller: thank you for taking my call. i appreciate it. are you there? host: we are all listening to you. caller: clans, i have called in three times now, and i have tried to get people to understand that in 2012, we had a poison data system that said that no one over 13 years old have died or overdose for marijuana. back in the late 1960's, we said that marijuana cause socialistic, coming to stick -- communistic, and narcissistic tendencies. all of that was racial. we didn't want black people living in rural areas. i'm writing a book about this right now. had over 55 cities here in

michigan, and 70 cities in illinois that it was illegal to walk around the street after 7:00 and 1970. that is what is all about. white people saying that pot is bad. people like me, you're going to try to tell me that taking your oxycontin and 248 thousand people died per year from that that is what you want me to take. i have a new home in wisconsin -- host: we will leave it there. it is a little bit off. anything you want to respond to there? guest: 1970 was about the time that the black panthers to their weapons out to an assembly and caused a ruckus. you have these people walking

into legislator with their weapons. that is when governor ronald reagan push for gun control. that was the first big push for gun control combat the tell end of the 1960's, when black folks have them, and they happen to be black panthers did that is one of the interesting ironies of this whole debate. host: jerry, independent line. caller: i am a gun rights advocate. i've over 70 years old. i wish people would google the norway massacre, 2011. a young man went to an island that was a gun free island in norway, where there was a young political party c camp, summer camp. he proceeded to kill almost 90 young boys. before going to the island, he

killed eight people getting to the island. he also wounded nearly 200. there was 600 boys on this island. this was carried on ap. if you google it, you will see 50 or 75 articles, associated press articles, covering this killer. almost none were carried in the united states. guest: that's not true. caller: president obama says this does not happen outside the united states. he is smoking something. host: clarence page? guest: that is not true. it was very well covered, thank you very much. there's also a book out. i can't recall the author and title, but very good book. what intrigued me was that he put his manifesto online. it was like 1500 pages.

i read through the whole thing. if i can read through the obamacare law, i can do this. it was a pretty quick read because it was mostly reprints and rewrites of american authors. his rage was fueled by easily available propaganda on the web that he was able to obtain easily enough. most of it came from the united states. there is, mostly right-wing writers, some of whom were anti-diversity racial purity writers, some as benign as my friend pat buchanan was quoted in this piece. these are legitimate issues for debate -- multiculturalism diversity, etc., but the fact is

that we are a shrinking globe. the internet does allow for actions like this to be fields. the bigger question is how he got hold of the heavy weapon that he got a hold of, which are banned in norway. he was able to do it anyway. this is a problem that is really international. host: tony is in california. democrats line. go ahead. caller: hi, mr. page. i have always loved you. guest: i love you too. caller: i am from chicago. i have followed you a lot. i like your writings. i like what i see on tv. it is like i am so glad to see you now. it is amazing. i think it is amazing how people always try to justify when a caucasian person goes off on a

killing spree as mental illness. but when a black person goes off on a killing spree, it is a thug. when a brown person -- a terrorist. i think obama has nothing to do with this guy's ideology. i think people need to stop incorporating obama's ideals into what these people are doing. these people have been around for like years and years. starting from way back with the ku klux klan. like you said, in the black panther party, how ronald reagan saw that we were arming ourselves, and decided ok, gun laws are not good, let's strike the gun law. then you have the nra people that say it is great. then you have a young guy like this, going into a church shooting these people out. you have sandy hook. columbine.

every serial killer in america has been of caucasian background. i think people need to stop making excuses and call it what it is. thank you so much. i love you. guest: thank you. i appreciate you too. i have to point out that not all feel are closed -- serial killers are white. i think specifically of the d.c. sniper. two black fellows terrorize the washington, d.c. vicinity a few years ago. a lot of us going without prejudice thought it must be a white guy, because black folks are not serial killers. we were wrong, it turned out. host: mike is in akron, ohio. caller: hello, nice to talk to you. we spoke before.

i'm from kent state. guest: you are forgiven, it's ok. caller: yes. anyway, this shooting is a lot like newtown, connecticut. we all want for the families of the victims. the families can mourn for months, weeks, years, it can take as long as it needs. i'm fortunate, my morning only lasted for a few hours. for those who do not know these people personally, it takes political action. the nra, it turns out, does not support gun orders. they don't even support the second amendment. they stand for gun manufacturers. if you are careful with your gun, and it misfires, you can't blame the gun manufacturer. the nra used to be prounion.

they started with union generals at the end of the civil war. they were proud to be prounion. they have now turned -- they are not for gun owners, therefore gun manufacturers. for those who have not lost loved ones in the shootings, we can mourn for a few hours, but that we need to pick up the cross for those who really need to mourn, the families of the victims. guest: interesting, the history of the nra. i have had a number of people say i should not call the end of the acp t -- the naacp the oldest civil rights organization the nra is older. they started as a gun safety organization. especially after john f. kennedy

was assassinated -- they clamp down on gun ownership and gun access. that was when nra's shifted and became much more defensive as a pro ownership group opposeding restrictions and regulations. host: according to fox eight, dylann roof confesses to killing benign people in the church, and wanted to start a "race mowar." attrition willems -- patricia williams has an op-ed this morning and "the new york times." she writes that we must resist the comfortable fiction that whatever racial turmoil exists as i will swear, genteel

charleston is a place of kong. the killing of walter scott showed otherwise. we must do more than a knowledge the fact that for all of our legal advances, i can walk into any number of charleston's finest restaurants and not see anyone who looks like me. that means committing ourselves as the black community to fixing the systemic barriers and education, employment, housing to black upward mobility that makes it virtually impossible for poor african-american children to ever catch up to their white counterparts. guest: i read that piece. it is very powerful. one footnote that i would add -- about walking into rest of the not see anyone who looks like you -- that happens a bc, new york, chicago. we don't talk about is the class element to the whole racial and cultural war that we see going on in parts of america. there is much more integration

of months college educated classes -- the yuppies and hipsters -- they are reviving our cities and running into culture clashes on the gentrification issue. i tend to see, even among the part of black folks, who separate themselves into haves and have-nots. i think what really shocked people about this church catastrophe is that it happened in a church. these are god tearing folks -- god bearing folks. if you are not safe there, where? people are so crazy to mass murder there -- it took that to shake us up. otherwise, we send to lapse into denial and say that those drug wars and getting wars, it's a shame, but that is not my

part of town. we are all in the same part of town now. host: warren, you are on with clarence page. caller: good morning, thank you. i think you are barking up the wrong tree. i don't think it has anything to do guns. good people will not hurt anyone with guns. it is drugs. this country is so affected by drugs, it is terrible. young people adults. colorado says that it affects the learning on the young people. if you have not got a purpose to take drugs, why are all these people on drugs. it is right here in my community. just affected with drugs. that is the problem. and, the whole life of these kids growing up. i grew up with 10 in our family, and my mother and father were there all the time. be all turned out good. drugs of the big problem. guest: we have to separate

causes and symptoms. i think the drug epidemic is in many ways indirectly result of economic dislocation. so many distressed areas have expense over the last 30-40 years. also, misplaced john policies. why has vermont become the biggest heroin state per capita of all places? a lot of it goes back to oxycodone in the 1990's. so many people became addicted to it, and they later discovered the same effect with heroin, and cheaper. the heroine problem has expanded greatly. these problems don't happen in a vacuum. they are related to other factors. if we don't take a holistic approach we will take care of

one part of the starfish, while it is growing tentacles on other side. host: client is in san antonio -- clyde is in senatorial, independent line. caller: i think the contemporary context is it appropriate to examine any of the problems that people that like to call themselves white have, and the ones who call themselves blackouts. i think it is more asian than that. the man in front of you refer to himself the other day as other white guy. the question is -- what does white really need to him or anybody else? we all know about the middle passage. what we don't talk about is the ice age inheritance. some of the africans, based on

archaeological and at the particle -- anthropological evidence won't own up to. there in lies a lot of the context that should be explored. more recently than that, i don't know if you're familiar with us or not but your adopted state, illinois was examined by todd bogart in the documentary in the 1970's and 1980's where only caucasians were interviewed. they talked about their perceptions based on their fears. so much so that people moved into the county, and had cornfields in their backyards. i think that if you have any influence with mr. lamb, you would ask that this documentary be aired, if the rights are available to c-span, to talk

about what they really fear. generally, that boil down to -- boiled down to cultural annihilation. host: what do you do and antonio? we will never know. clarence page. guest: he touched on a lot there. i think that -- he mentioned tom brokaw only talking to whites in that documentary. it reminds me of charles murray's broke a few years ago that only looks at white americans and the rise of poverty, and decline of in wedlock childbirths, but we would call an underclass, if we talked about black folks. this is happened since the 1950's as a result of economic dislocation and you cannot get

any income investment if you have any schooling beyond high school. i have praised that book. charles murray has redeemed himself, in my view. we have been on stage a couple times talking and debating this topic. this get that what i have been saying all along. we focus on race because it is so visibly obvious. the real conflict in our society's class oriented and shrinking opportunities for too many people, the kinds of opportunities that we had back in the 1950's and 1960's. it was much easier to get into college when tuition was $700, when i started at ohio university. it is over $13,000 now. this makes a big difference because the topic is not as sexy as race. host: where in ohio did you grow

up? guest: i was born in dayton, and grew up in john boehner's district. when he got his first paycheck and saw the taxes that were coming out of it, he became a republican. when i got my first paycheck at the steel mill, my dad said, that is for your social security, i became a democrat. it is funny how it by forks out. host: what did your parents do? guest: my mother was a coke and my father was a factory worker. host: 65 euros, you have been around, lived in the midwest etc. how has the issue of race relations, in your view, changed? in your personal life over the years -- 60 some years? guest: i have been just

delighted with the progress we have made over the years. i one of those folks grandfather, barack obama and family. i also don't have a delusions that we entered into a utopia. i knew after election day, we were going to enter into the same problems that we had before. my son, you can talk to him, he is 26 years old, and he is very gloomy about how things that happen. he volunteered for obama in 2008, and guantanamo is still open. i was one of his major issues. he and his friends are much more frustrated by the political process. it is the job of young people to be impatient, and for us older folks to appreciate more what we have. host: would you say your son --

does he understand the issues that you went through in the 1960 the 1970's? guest: oh yeah. when he was 14, for history day he went out with his video camera and computer, and put together a 50 minute documentary on the civil rights movement. he can do that with today's technology. he, of course, like all young people, thinks he knows everything now. as i say, he is disappointed and frustrated by the political process, all of the sausage making on capitol hill. why don't things get done? vital to give obama a chance? why don't they give peace a chance? i think today's young folks -- i have been really pleased.

i look at the younger journalism majors. ifo site for them -- i feel sorry for them, but they are building a new world. the world of newspapers and typewriters is my era. nl geniuses when it comes to multimedia ingenuity and skills. i am very excited. i look forward to each day on this article so that i can watch these fascinating changes going on. host: in your coverage of politics over the years, did you ever attend or go to emmanuel ame in charleston, or did you ever meet reverend pinckney? guest: not need. he was a kid. he is a decade younger than obama.

he is really the hope of the future, if you will. to see him coming down at this young age is doubly, triply tragic. there are a lot of young people like him forming the new leadership of the century. we need to give them more of a chance, and not let all of us old grandstand is take all of the attention. host: fred to send, democrats have been working on racism and poverty for 50 plus years, i think they have failed, don't vote for democrats. guest: i would love to hear all the progress that republicans have made. host: frank, go ahead with your comment or question. caller: i have to agree with you. what the republicans are doing -- absolutely nothing. mr. page, we have some of your

articles done herewn here. the question would ask you is do you think the right wing radio station -- especially foxnews -- set up an atmosphere for this kind of hatred. they portray black people as savages muslim people as terrorists, gays are going to hell. they set up this hatred atmosphere. what do you think about that? guest: i think you're right to a degree. you can say this about a lot of ideologically driven you on the right and left. please, go ahead and watch fox news. i have a number of friends over there who are really superb journalists in their own way. don't pay too much attention

to the ideologues over there. the people who they criticize of being their critics, check them out on the other side and see where these charges are made. i think all of us in the media need to give as good as we get or the other way around when it comes to criticism and abuse. this is part of the game that we all need to be held accountable regardless of which media we work in. i am delighted on a whole by the first amendment, secondly, the abundance of media that we have and the choices that people have. i urge you -- news consumers -- do not lock themselves into one newspaper or tv channel, but to explore. there is a potpourri of information. we need to enjoy all of it. host: just a few minutes with i guess, clarence page. george's is in florida.

caller: thank you clarence, for seeking truth. i think you have done that throughout your career. my great-grandfather was had a newspaper. he took on the klan 110 years ago. they are not the tea party people. i know a lot of tea party people, and have never heard hatred out of them. to stop these killings, we need to do three things. you are talking about the morality of making sure that people have jobs. i for you agree with that, and we should also teach christian values. the second thing, i think it is more sane people have guns, we will have less problems. the third is almost never talked about.

animal planet has a series -- of course, it is cable tv -- they have a series called "monsters within me. go i suggest you watch that. something's can start as the flu, and it develops in the brain. i've read medical journal articles as a team. then, they were try to do an about its. -- antibiotics. host: we're getting deep in the weeds here, i think mr. page understands where you're headed. guest: i appreciate the call. when he talks about antibiotics -- this is out of my main realm but i have been intrigued on how doctors have been advised to cut

down on antibiotics, because we're using too many of them, and it is leading to super viruses that are resistant to antibiotics. let me just say that the research continues. host: let's tie this back into gun laws. we have discussed this when other tragedies have happened. whether or not there should be -- where that line should be john for buying -- should be drawn for buying a gun with mental illness. guest: there should be universal background checks, without exceptions. if i were a gun owner now -- i am an army veteran. i would say, i'm safe, but what about the other guy. that is what bothers people, and

why folks are so frightened about the proliferation of guns. folks get them who they should not. this varies from state to state. also, as far as the federal law -- new york has a trust usus. everyone who wants a gun will be interviewed. does this work? i know that new york city come over the last 20 years, for a number of different reasons has had a very sharp decline in crime. new york city, for pete's sake. i think we need to go to places like new york with some controls are working, where gun safety laws are working, and replicate what they're doing elsewhere. host: clarence page.

"chicago tribune" columnist and author of his most recent book, "culture warrior." guest: worrier. host: i accused you of being with the "chicago times." i apologize. guest: i will forgive you. a lot of people say, what culture are you worried about? after what happened in charleston this me, you have an idea of what i'm talking about. when you talk about the southern heritage guy, or whatever you call it. the kinds of cultural gaps that we have in this country are the bigger problem than the racial problem, which is so visible. host: clarence page of the "chicago tribune," he was on

booktv live. you can go to booktv and type in his name, and see him with david axelrod. guest: my former intern, the >> on the next washington journal, howard schneider. and we talk with michael bec kel. conversation on country of origin labels. our guest is spencer chase. washington journal. >> c-span gives you the best access to congress, live coverage of the u.s. house bringing your events that shape public policy and every

morning washington journal is live. >> the faith and freedom coalition held its annual conference this week. the group heard from republican presidential candidates. next, marco rubio. [applause] marco rubio: thank you. thank you. thank you. it is an honor to be with you again today. a great turnout. mi i the first speaker at the event? i'm glad to do the kickoff. it is great to be with you and an honor to be with you as we look forward to 2016 and the

challenges before our country. two months ago i announced that i was running for president. i traveled the country. everywhere i go including today i will see something that reminds me of my parents. today is easy. i'm in a hotel bank banquet room. which is what my dad did for many years as a bartender. so much of what i have been able to do has been a result of the experience they felt in this country. both of my parents were born in cuba. societies where your future depends on what your parents did before you. in 1956 my parents left their homeland and came to the united states of america. life in this country was not easy for them at first. in time they found good jobs.

my father became a bartender working banquets like this. my mother was a cashier, a stock clerk, a made at a hotel like this. they earned enough money to do things like buy a home and raise a family and retire with security. most important, they were able to leave all four children better off than themselves. i'm often reminded that i don't come from privilege. i know this. while my parents never made enough money to save for me to go to college, i had $100,000 in student loan debt, which i paid off with a proceed of my book which is now available on paperback. [applause] and i didn't inherit any real estate, any money. even now are mortgages are still

a larger part of our budget and we wish they were. i still consider myself to be a child of privilege. i was raised in a stable home by two married parents who love each other and love does, and who taught us the values we would need to succeed. most important they taught me there was no dream too big, and there was no goal out of reach even for the son of a bartender and theya maid. my life's journey and the opportunities i've had are the result of one thing. that is the fact that my parents came here and i grew up during the american century. the 20th century was a century where america loved the world against evil. -- lead the world against evil. the best products with the best jobs in the world.

a century in which america was the one place on earth where anyone willing to work hard could achieve the universal dream of a better life. the world is different now. the early years of this new century have brought about the most significant change since the industrial revolution. america had limited international competition. now we are engaged in a global competition for the best companies, talents ideas, and jobs. for much of the 20th century we had good paying jobs, even people like my parents with a limited education. now many jobs either no longer pay enough or have been replaced by machine. for much the 20th century the world was defined by two world wars been a cold one. from autocratic governments in china, russia, and the ron --

and iran, we face multiple threats to our prosperity and security. we now live in a time unlike any moment before us, with problems and opportunities unique to this moment. there are those seeking the presidency based solely on what they have achieved in the past. i am running for president because we would -- we need leaders and solutions grounded in the future. [applause] in this new era we have. today, while the cost of living keeps climbing, two thirds, two out of three americans make less money today than they would in 2002. our outdated policies from yesterday are not going to fix this. if i'm honored with the opportunity to be president we

will put in place new ideas that will help our people increase their paycheck and reduce [inaudible] we will have new tax policies that say the more your employer pays you the less they will oh in taxes to the irs. we will help families keep more of what they earn so that middle-class children will have the funds necessary to raise strong families in the 21st century. we will lead the world in the production of energy so the cost of utilities and gassing up your car will stabilize and come down and no longer keep going up for working families. because of automation, good paying jobs require more training and more skills and more education and they ever have before. because millions lack of these skills they find themselves out of work or stuck in low-paying jobs. if i'm blessed with the

opportunity to be president we will change this. we will put in place new policies that will give our people require -- acquire the skills they need for the jobs of this new century. instead of pushing everyone to go to a four-year college we will transform higher education so it is acceptable and affordable to all people. we will focus on training more people to be in a skilled trade. we need more welders, plumbers electricians, construction trade. i do not understand why we have stigmatized these jobs that pay more than the jobs of a psychology major. [applause] we need to modernize higher educations of people who have to work full time can still go back to school. if you are a single mother raising two kids on your own

working $10 an hour, you cannot in role in four years of college somewhere. we need flexible programs that allow you to learn online and on weekends so that a receptionist making nine dollars an hour can become a paralegal making $60,000 a year. so i home health aide can become a dental hygienist making $60,000 a year. these are the new professions that will allow people to change their lives and the future of their children. traditional college will still be available. i believe that before you take out a loan you should be told how much people make when they graduate with that degree. so that you can decide if you want to major in roman philosophy. the market from and philosophers has been tight for the last 1500 years. [laughter]

because of high taxes and out of control regulation for the first time in 35 years we have more businesses dying then we have starting in america. yesterday's ideas are making this worse, not better. i am blessed with the opportunity to be president, we will pursue policies that make america the best in the world to start and operate a business. we will repeal. frank, which is killing small banks. [applause] we will lower the tax rate on small businesses so they can compete with big businesses. we will put a cap on regulations which are crowding innovation and making us uncompetitive in the global economy. regulations are problematic for a small business who cannot hire lobbyists to navigate big government. we will repeal obamacare before it repeals more businesses.

[applause] today we are on step to leave the next generation with a staggering amount of debt. yesterday's ideas crated this problem. yesterday's ideas make the problem worse in the year to come. if i'm blessed with the opportunity to be president we will make it a priority to fix this. through the only way that will work, a combination of economic growth and spending reform. we will balance our budget and save social security and medicare so those programs exist for future generations. today, on the global stage america's influence has declined. the world has gotten more dangerous, and our people and our interests are less secure. yesterday's ideas, that america can no longer afford to be the

most powerful country on the planet is what has brought us to this point. if i'm blessed with the opportunity to be president, you can rest assured of one thing. we will be feared by our enemies and respected by all. [applause] we will reverse these custom our military at a time when russia and everyone is expanding their capability. we will have a real strategy, on how to confront isis and radical jihadists everywhere. we will rally to the cause of persecuted christians around the world. one more thing.

one more thing we cannot say today. if i'm blessed with the opportunity to be the president of the united states, our relationship with israel will be clear and unequivocal for the world to see. [applause] here is what it will be. here is what the world will know. if i am president, this country will do whatever it takes to help the people of israel survive and prosper as a jewish state. [applause] we see an erosion in our country -- our culture and our values. yesterday's ideas that government could replace the family has failed. if i'm blessed the opportunity to be president we will have someone in the white house who understand that you cannot have

a strong country without strong people. you cannot have strong people without strong families. you cannot have strong families with a government that strong arms our faith. we will have a president that understands and believes that the government is not meant to replace moms and dads, it is meant to empower them. it is not meant to marginalize churches and synagogues, it is meant to protect them and their constitutional rights. we will have policies that reflect our values. we will remove marriage penalties. we will redesign anti-poverty systems so they cure poverty through education responsibility, and work. we will appoint judges and have an attorney general who will protect our second amendment

rights and defend the right of every american to live out their faith at home, at work, or in their business. [applause] despite these challenges, a strong america with strong values, good jobs and a healthy economy, that is the future. i'm honored to be gathered here as the road to majority conference. it reminds us that every single candidate, every party, every country is on a road. [protester speaking]

marco rubio: i will continue and a second. -- in a second. if you do that in another country you would be nhl tonight. your businesses can be closed. in american people have a right to be rude and wrong.

we live in a free society. i think god every day for it. [applause] let me close by talking about the road. the fundamental question is where does the road we are on lead to? there are those who run based on the path, -- past. what they did in the century we leave behind. the selection will not be about the past. this election is and must be about the future. an election that is not just about what laws we are trying to pass. the question is going to be what kind of country will we be in this new century? today because of our outdated leaders, america's wheels are spending. while hillary clinton has the plan to get us moving again, it is a plan that will get us moving in reverse.

no one has ever won a race by running backwards. we must change the decisions we are making by replacing the people who are making them. we know that a transition making a transition has never been easy. it meets with resistance. this time will be no different. when i announced some suggested i needed to wait my turn. [laughter] i have heard that before. they said the same thing in 2009 when i ran for the senate against the city republican governor who now happens to be a democrat. [applause] he was an invitation independent in between. he was out raising me 10-1. the entire republican establishment in washington and

in florida was aligned with him. in the early days of that race the only people who thought i could win lived in my house. [laughter] four of them were under the age of 10 years old. as i do now i chose to run. i chose to run because for america the future is now. if we keep promoting the same leaders we will be left behind and we will lose the race for the 21st century. [applause] then, there are those who say we like marco but we support some one else because now is not his time. he has a great future they say. that's good news. this election is in the future. [laughter] more importantly this election is about the future. now the near times recently said i was not rich enough to be president. jenna and i have been very blessed.

i didn't start my career with the advantage of family connections. i don't have a foundation of raises $2 billion from foreign entities. despite that we have been able to invest in our children. not just by saving for them to go to college but by being able to send them to receive a christian education. [applause] we were able to buy a luxury suite vote disguised as a fishing boat. [laughter] on the fifth of every month, we send a check to pay for the mortgage on our family home. the biggest debt is into a bank. the biggest debt that i have is to america. this is it just the country i was born in. this is the nation that changed the history of my family. when my father was nine years

old his mother passed away. he had to leave school and go to work. he would have worked for the rest of his life had he never gone back to school. when he was young he had big dreams but they were impossible. through no fault of his own. the purpose of his life became to get his children the chance to do all the things he never could. he worked tirelessly for many years as a banquet bartender. he worked on nights, weekends, holidays. he was grateful for the work he had. that is not the job he wanted for us. my father stood behind a portable bar in a room like this so that one day i would have the opportunity to stand behind a microphone in a room like this. the journey from behind the bar to behind this microphone is the essence of the american dream. he reminds us that this is not just my story.

this is our story. as americans every single one of us is a generation removed from someone who made our future the purpose of their lives. what makes america special is not that we had rich people. every country has rich people. we are glad people have been successful. we celebrate it. what makes us special is that people who will never be rich and never be famous through hard work, sacrifice, and perseverance are able to achieve happiness. today, and by the way whether the country remains special or not, it will depend on whether the journey my parents made and you, and your parents and grandparents made, whether that is still possible for the men and women trying to make it. whether america remains special not depends on the people who clean this hotel, will be able to do for their children what our parents did for us.

today, in the early years of the new century the challenge we face for the dream is that we live in a time of rapid change. changes that present us with great challenges and great opportunities. we have before us the opportunity to build an america that is even stronger and more prosperous than ever. we have the opportunity to be a people with the right skills and the right values. we have the opportunity to see to it the american dream doesn't just survive. that it reaches more people and changes more lives than ever before. we have been blessed with the unique opportunity to live at this time in history. i hope we embrace it. not just in this election but in every election. not just this year but every year. that is why i'm running for president. that is why i hope that no matter who the nominee may be -- i pray that it is me -- but no

matter who it may be, i ask you to join us to choose the right road into our future. the road not to thehe road into the 21st century so that our generation can one day say of ourselves what is written in second timothy. i have floppy the good fight, i finished the race, i have kept the they. we left for our children a new american century. thank you for the chance to speak to you. thank you. [applause] thank you. thank you ray much. -- thank you very much. [applause]

>> more from the faith and freedom coalition conference on c-span. we will hear from another presidential candidate, rand paul. senator paul: thank you. thank you. i feel shortchanged. i was supposed to go first. marco goes first. are there any protesters left? [laughter] come on. if there's anybody left, we can start with the protest. we could get it out of the way. if there's a protest outside the first question right now. disappointing. i think there are some big issues that go beyond the superficial issues of the day. one of the issues that is a big and recurring issue in occur to

our founding fathers and has occurred to symbolize men and women since the beginning of the time is our liberty and virtue mutually exclusive, are they incompatible? can you have one without the other? can you have liberty without virtue. washington didn't seem to think so. washington set in fact democracy requires a virtue of people. ronald reagan said freedom and faith are so intertwined should never attempt to decouple them. a friend of mine in the reagan administration and wrote a book called america's way back. he said the great achievement of our framers was they sympathize freedom and tradition. he said freedom requires tradition for law and order, for inspiration.

but the tradition requires free gum to escape stagnation, to escape coercion. you have to have a dose have a does above, that one without the other isn't something we strive for. when i think how we compare different ways of mixing liberty and virtue, and i think how different the american revolution was from the french revolution. the american revolution with throughout the king but kept their religious bearing. this is a perfect uestion for the media. are we a christian nation? we were founded by people predominately christian in people predominately religious and kept their religion as part of their tradition. we also cap the democratic representation. we kept the health of burgess has been going on 150 years. we have a revolution that we were remarkably lucky it turned out as well as it did. part of it is her sophomore

eedom but we didn't give up on believing we had to have a virtuous nation, there had to be an underpinning or undergirding from some and beyond us. [applause] that we believe that i raised him from god and couldn't be taken away. they come to washington every week. i will say, are we a republic or democracy. i get it right about half the time. the thing as a citizen important question because if you believe that raq is god but a majority should take away from us. [laughter] [applause]

oz guinness as a theologian and he talks about a book and i highly recommend how liberty requires restraint that the only restraint consistent with liberty is self-restraint. you have to vountarily -- it is sort of like the question can government save you? nobody believes that. can government be the end-all? the reason i asked reason i ask his questions as so often i meet with pastors and ministers looking to government for the answers. i look back and i say i am looking to you for help. what is the number one linkage of a problem to poverty in our country? poverty is a public policy to fix poverty. the number one link is having kids without being married. i can't make you get married. i can't do that. it doesn't mean someone shouldn't say it's appropriate

and necessary and important. so really it needs to be a combination. [applause] and is to be a combination of their religious people, people in government who are religious, pastors. it is to be a combination of all of the above and there's not nearly enough. we had a shooting in south carolina. what kind of person goes to enter a church and shoots nine people. there's something terribly wrong but it isn't fixed by your government. it is people straight away, not understanding where salvation comes from. if we understand that, will have better expectations of what we get from our government. i will give you an understanding or little bit of how i feel let down. i spent most of my life as a physician. i trained for 10 years

practiced for 20 years and still consider my primary role might that i will continue doing surgery. i will do surge around friday or people who don't have insurance. i'll be in haiti in august. it is a talent i have that i can give back. at the same time when i look to government and say you do bad things. at the very least we should agree to not do bad things. it's probably six months ago i said maybe at the least we should get our money to countries to persecute christians. [applause] if you asked that question not just here in this audience which i know understands and has religious faith. but if you asked the question anywhere in america outside the

beltway, it is a 95, 99% questioned. my amendment says any country that puts christians to death for speaking their mind on religion, for changing their religion to christianity or for interfaith marriage, we shouldn't give them a penny. not 1 penny. [applause] you know what the vote was? 18 to two against my amndment. what we have is a congress and representatives so out of touch that i put forward some ain't easy to answer. we borrowed million dollars a minute. we hardly have money for anything if you look at it. could we start by not giving money to countries to burn our flag and persecute christians?

18 to two to continue doing it. last week i decided i would give them another test and it has been annoying me to no end that hamas and the palestinian authority have a unified government and hamas continues to launch missiles against israel. really, why would we e giving money to a unified government who may well in reality be used in that directly or indirectly to buy missiles to fire them against one of our best allies. i said why don't we have it back because u.s. have to give it back to them. if they recognize they will renounce violee and quit doing what they've been doing it on our treaties with regard to israel.

i've got a few more. 15-5. not only do they believee should give away omey and regardless of the behavior. this is how we project our power and include the behavior of nations. if you don't have restrictions, you are not influencing anybody. it has been going on your income a year out in washington is so distant from the people they don't understand. i am convinced it's never getting better unless we do a couple things. when it's a limit every one of their terms. [applause] i would be good and some bad.

we have a disproportionate amount of bad thing. overall it would be a good idea. it's not about one person. it is about changing the system. we have limited to two terms senate passed overwhelmingly. i am convinced the american people were ever allowed to vote on term limits. it's an 80% issue. if i go do half republican house democrat, the only thing that unifies them is their disdain for congress. we should go ahead and consider how long we keep people up here. the inertia is so strong. they say power corrupts, they

are absolutely right. there's too much power here. what is the worst thing the president has done. i'm going to get into generalities. the biggest problem the president has confronted us is the collapse of the separation of powers. madison said we would hit ambition against ambition. we would have coequal branches of government and congress was jealously guartheir power against the president king that power and vice versa. one of the philosophers they look to sad when the executive begins ot legislate, a form of tyranny will ensue. the problem i have is a president who writes his own legislation on immigration health care, war power act. he's been collecting phone records without perssion. even though we told him not to has petitioned the court to continue doing explicitly what we told them not to do last ek. -- week. this is a president run amok with power. lincoln said any man can stand

adversity but if you want to test a man and, give him power. the reason i'm running for president is not to gain power or glory for myself. to take power away from government and give it back to the people. [applause] i think we succeed as a movement and a party when we figure out how to take our message to new people. we need to be the party of the entire bill of rights. we need to take it people wh o haven't been hearing the message. we need to dilute our message and be more like democrats and then get more votes. i think it's the oposite. we need to engage conservatives and say we need to be as conservative as we promise. we are going to be as conservative as we promised.

we are boldly for what we are for. we have to figure out what parts of our message may apply to people who have not been listening to it. i've been going to chicago and baltimore and ferguson. i want to be the candidate that is for the entire bill of rights. everybody is for the second amendment. on our side. the thing is, a lot of young people, that may not be their primary issue. they like the right to privacy in the fourth amendment. i've tried to champion i'm all for looking at the records of terrorists but i want to do it with a warrant, a judge's name on it with suspicion. [applause] with your phone records, 85% of

the time they can tell what your religion as. do we really want that information floating around in president obama's white house? we have seen what he has done to tea party groups and religious liberty area it is not just about him. it is about a power that could be abused. it is about minority rights. we should be the party of minority rights. you can be a minority because of the color of your skin or the shade of your ideology. you can be a minority because you teacher kids at home. you can be a minority because you want to go to a church that express rights and wrong.

you can be a minority for a variety of rides. that is why we are a constitutional republic and we need to ensure the protection of your freedom and rights is never allowed to the manipulated or distorted, or taken away from you by the majority. we need to be the party of the bill of rights. i will conclude with one story that shows you how this message is about people you may not have met before. a 16 euro black kid from the bronx died last weekend. it makes me profoundly sad to think about what happened. he was accused of a crime in the bronx and put in prison for three years without a trial. the person who accused him was not in the country legally and changed his story many times. he was finally released after three years in prison with no trial. considered innocent because there was never any charge brought.

in prison he was in solitary confinement for two years. he couldn't make bail. he was from a poor family. he was beaten by gains in prison. he tried to commit suicide several times and was finally successful last week. that should never happen in america. you should never be in jail for three years without a trial. you have a right to a speedy trial. i'm here to tell you that we will be the biggest, most dominant party that wins all elections when we say we are going to protect the sixth amendment just as much as we protect the second amendment. [applause] paul kander tells the story of an 11-year-old boy who came home one day and saw his father passed out drunk on the front porch. this boy had been to school in

17 different school districts. he comes home, sees his dad passed out in the snow. this young boy was 11 years old. he could have gone inside and pretended like it wasn't his dad. he reached down and dropped his dad by the overcoat and drug him in and put him to bed. this young man has something special. this man turned out to be ronald reagan. he is strength of character, he had resolved, and he had the sunny optimism that brought democrats and non-republicans to the party. when we find that again we will win. i want to be a part of and i hope

>> coming up tonight on c-span president obama at a conference of mayors in san francisco. the annual face and freedom -- faith and freedom coalition. and more on the shooting in charleston, south carolina. president obama discussed the recent shootings when he spoke at a meeting of the u.s. conference of mayors in san francisco. he called for tighter restrictions on guns. he also talked about the economy of u.s. cities and climate change. this is half an hour. [applause]