ms. archuleta: no, sir. >> next question. i don't care who answers it. as i understand, it took months for the state department to root out the russian hackers and their classified systems. apparently the chinese hackers are known for leaving behind time-delayed malware. do we know for sure these people are out of the system now or could they still be poking around? dr. ozment: we have a joint team that has worked with o.p.m. and the department of interior. they have assessed they have fully removed the adversaries but it is difficult to know if they have been eliminated. >> apparently there are rumors

that some are selling some of these files. are -- do we know if that is going on and if so are we doing anything to counter that? dr. ozment: sir, i think that's better discussed in a classified setting. >> i yield back the balance of my time. mr. chairman: i think we all understand how seriously we take this situation. to those federal employees that are affected, one of the things that should come out in the letter, the very end of the record to receive one of these letters, we should note, the office of personnel management is not going to call you to provide additional information. there will be some very bad actors that will try to take advantage of this bad situation and exploit it for their own personal gain. they have already done that. they are going to do it again.

there are going to be others that will try to do that to a lot of our federal employees. please do not fall victim to someone who will send you an e-mail or make a call and try to prey on you later. it was noted in the letter, and it is worth noting again from the pulpit. we have to hustle to the 1:00 meeting. the committee now stands adjourned. thank you. >> a house hearing from you. what should the government do about the o.p.m. breach?

if you would like to call us, you can also join the conversation on twitter, tweet us at c-span and on facebook, facebook.com/cspan. the guardian reporting about the hearing that you just heard. "congress says hacked federal agency failed utterly and totally to protect data." "personal information of almost every government employee was stolen from the office of personnel management." again, that the headline in "the guardian." "failed utterly and totally" a quote from the house oversight committee, jason chavis.

caller from gaithersburg, maryland. go ahead. caller: we have received the letter, both my husband and i, and also my son-in-law because we have high-level clearances. it is not just federal employees affected by this. we are contractors. so i think that the public should know, it is not just federal employees. we just recently had to update that form for an audit. what i wanted to say was absolutely someone needs to be fired. i think archuleta needs to be fired, i think ms. seymour needs to be fired. frankly, i've contacted judicial watch because i think those of us compromised have a lawsuit against the government for this. you are required in those forms to give up almost everything,

about your children, about where you have lived. they have an obligation to us to keep that secure so that our private information and also our finances and everything else is not hacked into. and i think that there needs to be a lawsuit. the only thing this government is going to understand is take this to court. they have a responsibility to us and they breached our security and they also took away our faith in our government. they were asked last fall to shut that down. no wonder people have no faith in our government. at a minimum, these people need to be fired. >> go ahead.

caller: miss interestent just took all the words out of my mouth. i would like to suggest having some of my sign irtrained military to take care of that. i'm high clearance and all, and my heart stopped. i'm singing "nearer my god to be," i'm an older person, but we have to get something done and get a grip. like she said, they don't care. they don't. we have to take this seriously. we're losing our drip -- grip. one of them brought up, "we'll never get decent people in those jobs again." they have to take it seriously. god bless them. host: what should the government do? martha on the line for democrats in ozone park, new york.

caller: i have engaged in military service. my suggestion is stop use lighting 1990's technology. stop bidding on the lowest contractor for these types of services when it comes to security. take it more seriously. our lives are at stake now our safety. that's basically it. i think they need to revamp the system. host: thank you for calling. angel in yonkers, new york. live on the republicans line. caller: i have had it with the department of oversight and the homeland security. i am burnt out to the point i cannot do it anymore. i want the directors to immediately resign due to the knowledge that they had had before the general inspector. it was compromised and they refused to cease technological systems, and i want them fired. things need to be assessed and

modified. we need better checks and balance from our i.t. consortium. we need to develop a strog stronger infrastructure, tech logically speaking. host: thank you for calling. a "the washington post" story, "the chinese hack, the government may not have followed its own rules. in spoppeding to china's massive hack of federal personnel data, the government may have run afoul of computer security again. over the last nine days the office of personnel management has sent e-mail notices to hundreds of thousands of federal employees to notify them of the breach. those e-mails have been met with increasing alarm by employees who worry that the e-mail may be a form of spear-fishing used by adversaries to penetrate

sensitive computer systems." democrats line in corona, california. caller: yes, my wife was recently sent a letter, and they never even worked for the federal government other than the post office. she never filled out fs-86 form, only when she applied for a job. i don't know -- a job she never got. so i don't know why they would keep those prords. it has a lot of my information on there too. i can't understand why they are using these old legacy systems. host: there were questions regarding how broad the information was, whether it was on the forms, the additional forms. apparently the response was, "the investigation continues." the line for republicans in delaware. james is with us. caller: thank you for your time.

host: sure. caller: it was not brought up in the c-span discussion, this is criminal activity. and while we're talking to government employees who are decent enough to come up and bear the discussion points, this is about the criminal, not about the victims. and we're not making the criminal discussions here. in other words, go after the bad guys is number one. number two, leadership. when you design systems they need to be spread across the federal government, not just stovepiped agency by agency. there needs to be a holistic approach. and all it takes is one piece of malware to be installed on one box behind the fire walls. you can put einstein in position but if you have malware or a bad employee on the other end, you can get into the

system. thank you. i'll take my answer off the air. host: thank you. "u.s. employ data breach tied to chinese intelligence: sources." "suspicions beijing was behind a massive hack into a federal government server that resulted in the theft of the records discussed. but both powers have incentives to calm the waters ahead of the chinese leader's visit to washington this coming fall. michigan on the line for independentents.

host: caller. caller: maybe hill triri should get a medal for not using government web sites. host: go ahead. caller: i'm from the national finance center and the people responsible are the senate and the congress. they chose to have their own little pockets lined. i don't think ms. archuleta should be blamed for what has been going on for more years than it should have. we can't keep sending money overseas, we can't keep raising the republicans and the democrats, senators and

congressmen's pay. we have to put it into our own systems. get an updated computer system for the whole government. host: next caller. caller: it seems laughable all the things that can happen. it's a snowball, and i think it is reflected -- reflective of the incompetence of this administration and government's employees who are not even able to be fired often who don't even need to go or have to go to work. so it's frightening.

it's at best that we are teaching our children that doing wrong is totally acceptable. there is no accountability. host: virginia beach, virginia. caller: i would like to take 30 seconds not to talk very much about myself, but i served 30 years in the navy, went in as enlisted came out as an officer. i currently work civil service for -- the communications community. for the u.s. navy. i got a letter the other day. i was quite upset with the

knowledge of what i have and what i do, and the fact that it scares me that my personal information has been comprow -- compromised into those hands. i would like to make an observation based on my navy experience. when you are on board a ship out there in the middle of the ocean and the ship runs aground. the commanding officer is responsible and must accept accountability for the actions of the crew. he can be sleeping in his quarters that ship runs aground, he's going to be relieved of command. there will be an investigation of course. i hold the same to the situation here. i'm an old timer. but i have to believe in the principles of what i was taught when i came up. see your leadership needs to be held responsible for this. ms. archu -- senior leadership needs to be held responsible for this. ms. archuleta needs to go.

i go back to the days of john f. kennedy and his staff. things went wrong. he had to be held accountable for it. other presidents have been held accountable for their staff and the people that work for them. this is inexcusible that this happened a while back and wasn't corrected. trust me on my knowledge of what i do for the u.s. government, this should have been taken care of immediately. they put millions of lives at risk, and morally it all plays in. morals, the whole nine yards. someone needs to be held accountable. it needs to be fixed immediately . we can't sit here and say legacy systems if there's a compromise it needs to be fixed today. host: told -- jason go ahead.

caller: my family and i have someone in our family that has the highest security clearance there is. we have not been able to sleep since this was discovered months ago. unfortunately, almost everyone said on this call is true and if we don't get information from these countries -- china, russia iran, and the things they are doing -- people will get hurt and it will be chronic. host: caller go ahead. caller: they have had 300 hearings on benghazi and on

this, one of our most vulnerable points, our security we have heard nothing about. you have people like ted cruz grandstanding. host: we will continue to follow the story on c-span. more congressional hearings coming up, one we will have for you life tuesday morning. the senate appropriations subcommittee will continue to look at the personnel records data breach we are going to show you some of our coverage from the faith end freedom coalition co