ton post and whoever gets in our way so we don't give up our first amendment rights secondly, we've got to rein in the irs print we need a lower and flatter tax code so they don't run our lives. [applause] third, we need to explicitly tell these bureaucracies what they are not allowed to do. the department of education has no business with common core in our classrooms. [applause] the epa has no business trying to regulate water in your backyard. [applause] they have no right to take away your second amendment rights to own firearms. [applause] i am so sick and tired of all the scandals, i'm ready for these bureaucrats to lose their jobs and their benefits and go to prison. [applause]

you throw some of these irs are other bureaucrats in jail, you won't have the scandals again. nobody is getting fired. those are three things to strengthen governments to restore our freedom. [applause] frank: you are critical of the press. they are sitting right in front of you. he's right there. governor jindal: which one? frank: i'm not choosing. it's your right to choose. what are you critical of? governor jindal: i am critical when the mainstream media don't apply the same standards to this president they apply to the rest of us. [applause]

[applause] frank: that is the first question i should not have asked. [laughter] in my normal role, i would actually then give the people a chance to respond and i don't have that opportunity. governor jindal: they get lots of responses. i know what the stories will say tomorrow. if we nominate a republican that

wants to be liked by the media and wants to be liked by the establishment and wants to go to the cool cocktail parties, we are done. [applause] the smart people in d.c. say you cannot do term limits and you can't does the budget and cannot repeal obamacare. they will say you cannot be smart and conservative. you cannot be smart and religious. my message is you need to get out more, get out of d.c. and go into the real world and meet some real americans [applause] area and [applause] frank: i want to look at his copy tomorrow to see what it is. [laughter] i want to remind you because you are going for the end of this and i want everyone who wants to speak to get a chance to ask a question. if you have asked a question already come you should give someone else the opportunity. we have someone over here who wants to ask a question. >> since we are a nation of li

es, as the new president comes in, what would the president due to enforce the laws such as sanctuary cities. they say you cannot harbor illegal aliens yet if you pick and choose which law you want to enforce, how can we enforce the laws and live by the laws? governor jindal: that is a great question. [applause] you've got the president saying he will pick and choose which immigration law he will enforce. you've got sanctuary cities. they are violating federal law that they are getting federal grants for the very purpose of the law they are not enforcing. they are getting dollars to lock up people illegally and detain them but they are not doing that and they are still getting those grants. you've got the supreme court rewriting the law. the next president needs to not only overturn those executive orders but make it very clear --

this president says he has the power of the pen on the phone. is got the power of that so secure the border. don't talk about it. [applause] we don't need 1000 page bill. the only good of that is you can stack up against the wall of the border, it might help. that's the only reason you get 1000 pages. [applause] when it comes to the sanctuary cities, cut off their federal funding and make sure ice is getting the folks when they detain them. there was a law that i support. there was a horrific murder in san francisco. someone has been deported in the comeback illegally emma they should be convicted and it should be a five-year sentence. it should be a felony. there needs to be real consequences. we cannot have people picking and choosing the law. the left loves to say you have to follow the law except when they don't want to. when it comes to immigration or obamacare. [applause]

frank: the next president has to be able to work with democrats. it cannot just be your way or the highway. you've done a very good job of describing what is wrong with them. how are you going to work with them? why would they ever work with you? governor jindal: president reagan got tax cuts reinvested in the pentagon, and won the cold war even though there was a democratic majority in congress. he did not compromise his principles. he went around congress and the american people and convince them he was right. you've got to make structural changes in congress. not just democrats, i have trouble with some republicans too. [applause] they will have trouble with me. i will not have trouble with them. i think you need term limits.i don't think we need a permanent governing class and then they

become lobbyists after they serve. we need a part-time legislature. the founding fathers intended a lesser job and lesser factories to work part-time and came up back home to the same rules and regulations that apply for the rest of us. [applause] frank: i'm going to ask you again -- can you name three issues where you will find it relatively easy to get something done with the democrats? governor jindal: in louisiana we did school choice reform where the dollars follow the child until the child follows the dollars.we trust parents . [applause] whether it's homeschooling or private schooling, we trust parents. 50% of the senate democrats voted for that. a lot of children who are in the worst public school today are in

forced zip codes and that's not right. a lot of democrats understand that the teacher unions are standing in the way of those kids getting a great education. they will work with us on school choice. [applause] the next president has to stand with us and stop iran from becoming a nuclear power and has to declare war on radical islamic terrorism by name. [applause] there are democrats that want to stand with israel. there are national security democrats that are america's first before we are democrats or republicans that will work with that. [applause] we've got to grow our private sector economy. this president has turned it act -- his back on energy and the keystone pipeline. there are private-sector unions that want good paying manufacturing and energy-related jobs in our country. there are democrats it will work with me for the next president

to bring good paying jobs back to america by reining in the epa and cutting and lowering taxes. the last time we had central tax reform was back in the late 80's with ronald reagan. it was bipartisan. both parties have to give up their special interest and that means republicans and democrats. [applause] by the way, i say we should pay them on a perdiem basis. you should pay them every time they stay outside of d.c., not when they go to d.c. [applause] the republicans are nocturnal like that either. frank: in the very back, back left, microphone three. >> hello, i want to thank you for being the first person to investigate planned parenthood louisiana. [applause] governor jindal: thank you. >> the question is not about that, it's about welfare abuse.

i have been the recipient of that as a minor and it is helped me eat my family and the me as a child. nowadays, there is more people on welfare than ever and there is a lot of abuse. i wonder how you would handle that and handle people abusing the system? governor jindal: that's a great question. my wife says if you ask me what i want for dinner, there's always three parts. one one of the most, successful reforms in the 90's bipartisan was welfare reform. the idea was welfare should be temporary and help people get back on her feet and they should go to work or get an education. they need accountability there. [applause] this president has systematically worked to undermine those reforms by his actions which have weakened the reforms. we've got to get back to the work requirements and eligibility enforcement and we've got to change our culture.

we've got to move away from a culture of dependency where we celebrate dependence and seven celebrating getting good set -- good paying private sector jobs. [applause] give bernie sanders credit. at least he is honest and he admits he's a socialist. [applause] hillary clinton and barack obama are no better they are just not honest. they celebrate record high food stamps and record low participation rates in the workforce. they are changing the american dream. the most dangerous thing they are doing is changing the definition of america and we have to stop that or we will be europe. the third thing is i trust states. whether it's medicaid or other aspects of welfare, give global grants to the states and give them flexibility and give them accountability. if you secretly surveyed democratic governors and said we will give you $.85 on the dollar for these programs and give you freedom from the red tape and

bureaucracy, not just the republicans would take that. i bet there are democrats that would say absolutely we can do a better job because the federal government waste so much money in these programs. there are legal reforms we can get back to the spirit of the 1990's with bipartisan welfare reform. we have got to fight to get our culture back. the american dream is about growth and opportunity. it's not about redistribution envy, or government dependence and that's what they say. [applause] frank: ladies and gentlemen, governor jindal. that was a better ending. i'm sorry you're not doing well. governor jindal: god bless you all and thank you very much. ♪ ♪

[no audio] [no audio] >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome back frank luntz and welcome to iowa, former pennsylvania u.s. senator rick santorum.

frank: how many would define you as living paycheck to paycheck. it's probably 1/3 of the people in this room. we have been surveys between 50 and 55%. one of your focal points has been working for blue-collar because you have felt that republicans have forgotten them. what answer do you have for those who are at middle or slightly below middle income so that they can get their vision of the american dream? mr. santorum: the bottom line

is, if we're going to restore the bear country, we have to start making things in america again. that is the most important thing we can do is to bring manufacturing back to this country. [applause] it created middle america. if you think about it, over the decade of the 1900s, america's middle income was robust and strong. when manufacturing declined in the 1970's and 1980's, so did the hollowing out of the middle of this entry. i travel around and you go to the small towns in iowa and what you find is a lot of the towns that are struggling are the towns that had the small manufacturing plants and in some cases big manufacturing plants that have left mess because america became uncompetitive because our tax rate is the highest corporate tax rate in the world. i will put forth a proposal that will get rid of the irs, number 1 -- [applause]

and replace it with a simple flat tax that will apply a flat rate tax and the tax rate will be the same on individual income, corporate income capital gains, dividends interest -- everybody pays the same rate of tax. no monkeying around from one group to another. [applause] you create a low tax rate and create expensing for businesses, you create a fair trade system -- i'm a free trader that i voted against trade bills and for trade bills. if the next president -- the next president should be someone who is willing to enforce our trade laws to make sure china is not dumping product into this country and we are able to trade fairly with other countries. [applause] frank: there is one aspect of

your candidacy that is unique. you support, to some degree, in increase in the minimum wage. why? mr. santorum: all of my ideas are centered around what we can do to help those who have been left behind by both political parties. if you look at the fact that wages have stagnated, not just over the last few years, but really for 74% of americans that don't have a college degree wages have been flat for 20 years. you look at what has happened and i talk about manufacturing as being a key and energy is another big key. we have to grow this economy and grow wages. what i propose in a minimum wage is $.50 per hour over the next three years. people ask why i do that. what percentage of americans by the federal minimum wage? less than 1%, nobody. my feeling was if you are -- this was talking to folks earlier -- if you're going to get a partisan support and you will need it, bobby jindal was

just talking about welfare reform. we've got 70 votes in the united states senate and my lead that bill. did we get everything we wanted? we gave some things that the other side wanted that they thought were important but we got ink we thought were more important. what we got was a work requirement for welfare benefits. that was the number one thing we wanted and we got it and it cut welfare rolls and have within five years. [applause] if you want to get bipartisan bills, you have to have things that will be supported by both sides. what i am putting forward is i will put forward a modest increase in the minimum wage and you give us any rid of the irs and cutting taxes and give us regulatory reform that we need to get that and you give us immigration reform. this is another separating out what everybody else is talking about. there are some people talking on immigration. if you look at the numbers usa which is the only pro-worker

group out there that measures how people are doing on immigration what their policies are -- there is only one candidate in this race who has an a rating with numbers usa and he is on stage right now in ames, iowa. [applause] what i talk about there is it's not just toughening up the border. i introduced a security bill back in 20 -- 2006 to put up fencing and the folks on the border to make sure the border will be safe and secure. it's also about legal immigration. over the last 20 years, we have seen 35 million people come into this country legally and illegally combined. over 10% of the population of this country has come in over the last 20 years. we have more people living in this country who are -- were not born here than any time in history this country. you can say that's a good or bad thing. it can be good or bad but we have to look at what is in the best interest of american workers? what will we do to get those salaries up?

we see the vast majority of the people coming into this country are unskilled workers competing to keep wages down. what i'm proposing is we need to hold the line and stop illegal immigration but also reduce illegal immigration of unskilled workers by 25% so we can bring wages up in this country and that will make a change. [applause] frank: we will go to questions for senator santorum in a moment. why is it that working-class americans seem to oppose conservatism? in every single election? they seem to be hostile to the republican party. there is a problem there. what is it? mr. santorum: i wrote a book last year. one of the reasons i wrote the book is at the end of the last campaign, i ran four years ago you may remember -- at the in of the last campaign i was showed a survey by one of the mitt romney pollsters. he should me a survey from the last state that was supposed to

be running in before he dropped out. they said we saw this in every single state -- we started to ask the question because we saw the exit polls always had you running way lower than what the final number was. he showed me the survey and he said i started asking the question not only who you will vote for but when are you planning to vote. this state happened to be pennsylvania and if you're going to go before noon, i was winning before 5:00. if you voted between noon and 5:00 i was trailing by four. if you voted after 5:00, i was up by 21. who votes after 5:00? we were connected to working men and women because we were talking about them. we're not just talking about them like people come up on stage and they say we will help the working class. we had policies and plans. when you paint a picture of the future of our country and talk about how we will get people back to work, they are concrete ideas that people can say oh, i see me in that picture. the problem with the republican party -- i will give you an

example during the convention in 2012 -- i was privileged to speak at that convention on tuesday night and about 1.5 hours before he spoke him i was backstage and these people came out before me. they were small business people. they were all cheering and they had placards at the convention hall saying " we built that." they were sticking it to obama by saying small business did not create on jobs. we sent small business person after small business person out there for one hour talking about how they built their business. we did not send a single worker on stage. not one. why would they think we are for them? why would they think we care about what they are going through? we never talk about it and we don't put programs together and policies together that directly impact them. the reason i was the only -- i think the only person in this race to ever win in a presidential year in a state that is a blue state that the

president republican nominee lost and so on the election. i know there is a lot of folks in this race for governor's who are running in nonpresidential years. that's all well and good. the bottom line is, the presidential poll, the presidential turnout is different than off your elections. iran in that year. george bush lost my state by five and i want to buy for because i connected with workers out there in the state of pennsylvania. if we are going to win, that's what we will have to do. frank: let's go to a question front left. >> my question is on the nsa spying and the role of the federal government. i was once asked why hillary clinton when bill was running for office -- what do i want out of the federal government? i would tell you that i want the

federal government to get the hell out of my life and my business and let freedom ring in this country. i want to know what you will do to keep these people out of our lives so that we as decent people and employees and employers can make a change in this country before my kids and grandkids have no place to live. [applause] 2 one of the things mr. santorum: that i plan to do -- i will take every single regulation that has been passed a president obama, everything he has done with a pen and a phone we can repeal with a pen and a phone the first day i'm in office. every job killing regulation every single one, will be gone day one. it will be changed over the course of our ministries and. [applause] -- of our administration. frank: i propose number three,

back left. >> good evening, senator. the number one cause of income inequality in america's whether children are raised in families with a married mother and father. what can the next president due to promote marriage? mr. santorum: i wrote the book 10 years ago and signed a couple of copies today. there was a book written called " it takes a village." you might remember that. a few years after that, i published a book called "it takes a family" because that's what it really takes to raise a child in america. [applause] when i'm out there talking about what we will do to get the middle of america and the american dream to be real for people again, i go out and talk about twqo books that are not mine. one is written by robert putnam and the other is written by

charles murray, libertarian sociologist. they came to the same conclusion. the principal problem of people being able to rise in america is the breakdown of the family. i know there is a lot of people you will hear from but no one can hold a candle to us and what we have done to try to help the institution of marriage and save and strengthen the american family in america. that will be our number one priority. what does that mean? that means that instead of spending your bully pulpit time and instead of spending the u have to start a national dialogue on global warming, we will spend it on trying to raise and nurture children in healthy, happy families. [applause] frank: that has come up several times today. is that all there is? is that enough? you said the next president could use the bully pulpit or is

there anything else? mr. santorum: you mean helping the families? frank: helping the families, what's up an ex-president do? mr. santorum: let me explain what i mean. i use an example of an organization called first things first in chattanooga tennessee. they realized they have the highest divorce and out of wedlock birth rates and has children going up just growing up without a father and a home they did something about it as a community. they did not pass a single government law. they rallied the churches and the schools and the businesses and community groups and they came together to emphasize the importance of marriage and the importance of staying together. businesses offered benefits. businesses said they provide marriage counseling is a benefit because of that program. if you think about the importance of family, not just for the health of family and the health of children, but for the health of our economy, we cannot

have a healthy economy unless we have healthy families. that's because families are the smallest of the small businesses in america. every family is a little small business and we are the broken or not doing well, we will not have a strong economy. if you can have a president that says to all the little corporations, we need to have as your focus supporting and strengthening people in your workplace with their families and we need to say to schools to talk about the importance of marriage and the importance of marriage and the responsibility of fathers. yes, that is a big part of it. it's not anything government does that will fix big problems like that. it's what you do in american what you are incentivized and put on your hard to make a difference. the second thing i would say is there is something the government can do. i was in wisconsin four years ago and told by a state senator that if you are a single mom and have two children and you are earning $15,000 per year, you're eligible for $38,500 in welfare.

if you get married, you lose it. the federal government, the state government is the principal impediment for single mothers who want to raise their children with a father, not to marry the father of their children or someone else who wants to be that child's father. [applause] we have to stop the federal government from breaking up amalie's whether it's our welfare laws or our tax code and that will be a high priority. frank: is there a question over here? [applause] top right. >> yes, i would like to ask if you are or anyone in your family is connected to the controversial jesuits in the catholic church? mr. santorum: the jesuits -- the position jesuit. jeff the pope is a jesuit. they have been around for a few centuries. i'm not directly connected with

them. that's the answer. frank: i want to ask you a personal question. i have asked various leaders with their relationship is to god. i want you to be candid with me. is there a time you ever cursed god? rick santorum: in the real sense of cursing god, no. did i ever lose my temper and say something, of course. i have been blessed. i had a seat of faith planted. i have told how i came to the u.s. senate and found the lord. [applause] senator santorum: most people don't think he lives there but he does.