in they said we saw this in april 2012. every single state -- we started to ask the question because we saw the exit polls always had you running way lower than what the final number was. he showed me the survey and he said, i started asking question not only who you will vote for but when are you planning to vote. this state happened to be pennsylvania and if you're going to go before noon, i was winning before 5:00. if you voted between noon and 5:00 i was trailing by four. if you voted after 5:00, i was up by 21. who votes after 5:00? we were connected to working men and women because we were talking about them. we're not just talking about them like people come up on stage and they say we will help the working class. we had policies and plans. when you paint a picture of the future of our country and talk about back to work, they are concrete ideas that people can say, oh, i see me in that picture. oh, i see me in that picture. the problem with the republican party -- i will give you an example during the convention in 2012 -- i was privileged to

speak at that convention on tuesday night and about 1.5 hours before he spoke him i was backstage and these people came out before me. they were small business people. they were all cheering and they had placards at the convention hall saying " we built that." they were sticking it to obama by saying small business did not create on jobs. we sent small business person after small business person out there for one hour talking about how they built their business. we did not send a single worker on stage. not one. why would they think we are for them? why would they think we care about what they are going through? we never talk about it and we don't put programs together and policies together that directly impact them. the reason i was the only -- i think the only person in this race to ever win in a presidential year in a state that is a blue state that the president republican nominee lost and so on the election.

i know there is a lot of folks in this race for governor's who are running in nonpresidential years. that's all well and good. the bottom line is, the presidential poll, the presidential turnout is different than off your elections. iran in that year. george bush lost my state by five and i want to buy for because i connected with workers out there in the state of pennsylvania. if we are going to win, that's what we will have to do. frank: let's go to a question front left. >> my question is on the nsa spying and the role of the federal government. i was once asked why hillary clinton when bill was running for office -- what do i want out of the federal government? i would tell you that i want the federal government to get the

hell out of my life and my business and let freedom ring in this country. i want to know what you will do to keep these people out of our lives so that we as decent people and employees and employers can make a change in this country before my kids and grandkids have no place to live. [applause] 2 one of the things mr. santorum: that i plan to do -- i will take every single regulation that has been passed a president obama, everything he has done with a pen and a phone we can repeal with a pen and a phone the first day i'm in office. every job killing regulation every single one, will be gone day one. it will be changed over the course of our ministries and. [applause] -- of our administration. frank: i propose number three, back left. >> good evening, senator.

the number one cause of income inequality in america's whether children are raised in families with a married mother and father. what can the next president due to promote marriage? mr. santorum: i wrote the book 10 years ago and signed a couple of copies today. there was a book written called " it takes a village." you might remember that. a few years after that, i published a book called "it takes a family" because that's what it really takes to raise a child in america. [applause] when i'm out there talking about what we will do to get the middle of america and the american dream to be real for people again, i go out and talk about twqo books that are not mine. one is written by robert putnam and the other is written by charles murray, libertarian sociologist. they came to the same conclusion. the principal problem of people

being able to rise in america is the breakdown of the family. i know there is a lot of people you will hear from but no one can hold a candle to us and what we have done to try to help the institution of marriage and save and strengthen the american family in america. that will be our number one priority. what does that mean? that means that instead of spending your bully pulpit time and instead of spending the u have to start a national dialogue on global warming, we will spend it on trying to raise and nurture children in healthy, happy families. [applause] frank: that has come up several times today. is that all there is? is that enough? you said the next president could use the bully pulpit or is there anything else? mr. santorum: you mean helping the families? frank: helping the families,

what's up an ex-president do? mr. santorum: let me explain what i mean. i use an example of an organization called first things first in chattanooga tennessee. they realized they have the highest divorce and out of wedlock birth rates and has children going up just growing up without a father and a home they did something about it as a community. they did not pass a single government law. they rallied the churches and the schools and the businesses and community groups and they came together to emphasize the importance of marriage and the importance of staying together. businesses offered benefits. businesses said they provide marriage counseling is a benefit because of that program. if you think about the importance of family, not just for the health of family and the health of children, but for the health of our economy, we cannot have a healthy economy unless we have healthy families. that's because families are the smallest of the small businesses

in america. every family is a little small business and we are the broken or not doing well, we will not have a strong economy. president that says to all the little corporations, we need to have as your focus supporting and strengthening people in your workplace with their families and we need to say to schools to talk about the importance of marriage and the importance of marriage and the responsibility of fathers. yes, that is a big part of it. it's not anything government does that will fix big problems like that. it's what you do in american what you are incentivized and put on your hard to make a difference. the second thing i would say is there is something the government can do. i was in wisconsin four years ago and told by a state senator that if you are a single mom and have two children and you are earning $15,000 per year, you're eligible for $38,500 in welfare. if you get married, you lose it. the federal government, the state government is the principal impediment for single mothers who want to raise their

children with a father, not to marry the father of their children or someone else who wants to be that child's father. [applause] we have to stop the federal government from breaking up amalie's whether it's our welfare laws or our tax code and that will be a high priority. frank: is there a question over here? [applause] top right. >> yes, i would like to ask if you are or anyone in your family is connected to the controversial jesuits in the catholic church? mr. santorum: the jesuits -- the position jesuit. jeff the pope is a jesuit. they have been around for a few centuries. i'm not directly connected with them. that's the answer. frank: i want to ask you a personal question. i have asked various leaders

with their relationship is to god. i want you to be candid with me. is there a time you ever cursed god? rick santorum: in the real sense of cursing god, no. did i ever lose my temper and say something, of course. i have been blessed. i had a seat of faith planted. i have told how i came to the u.s. senate and found the lord. [applause] senator santorum: most people don't think he lives there but he does. the answer is, i do feel i have been blessed my entire life.

even though i can't say i have had an easy life. i have always felt the seed planted by my mother and other about the importance of faith and relationship jesus christ, there is no room for despair. we have lost a child to read we have a disabled child permit we have had personal tragedies. as disheartened as i can be, as angry as i am, all things will work out for good if you hold on to that faith and belief. that is what he promises us. [applause] senator santorum -- >> i recently became aware that large amounts of money have been taken away from the teamsters

who are retiring. they have been notified will start september. i saw a note look of expenditures by their retirement money. they tried to go to the railroads first. these guys were involved but they stopped us to read they have lots of other retirees in mind after that. what can and would he done in a republican presidency? senator santorum: i apologize, i am not familiar with what you are's the teamsters with what you are speaking up. if the teamsters have a private pension fund come the government has no right to take it.

that would not happen under a republican president. frank: what should be the role of unions? senator santorum: i believe in free markets. what we are not going to do is stacked the deck in favor of unions and that is what the president has tried to do and we are not going to do that. frank: front right. >> i am concerned about the number of candidates running in the republican party. my concern is, whoever comes out on top, can we rally around that person? i think the democrats are having a heyday. it is going to divide the republican vote again.

i was i could say i am as proud of the republicans as i was in the past. is there a way to bring continuity with that? i would charge whoever is running, whoever is the candidate of choice, make that arson responsible to his commitment he has made to us on the campaign trails. [applause] senator santorum: having gone through this process before, number one, i spent a little time in the back. all reporters want me to do is beat up on one of the candidates. i have decided, having gone through a race for years ago where a super pac and others beat up on us, it is fine to disagree on an issue. i will comment on a position of an issue. but i will stop the fracture site of republicans beating up

on each other and questioning their integrity. [applause] you can have a disagreement on policy, and you should and we well. immigration. taxes. those are all fine. but when people come up here and start personally assailing people, that is where animosity builds and division happens. that is where it is hard to bring people back together again. i believe a civility pledge among republicans is something i really do believe in. it is something i am hopeful the rnc and others will continue to push. i would make the argument, sometimes the rnc is not particularly civil. they represent the establishment. they try to beat up conservative candidates. your point is valid. the second thing is, it is expected for conservatives to join if a moderate is nominated

but that is not always the case when a conservative is elected. [applause] senator santorum: i would like to hear from all the big super pac donors. the same question they ask conservatives. will you go along with whoever is the nominee. if the answer is no, they should let the people elect whoever they want to elect. frank: any final words of wisdom, summary from what you see and have heard? where you are going to? senator santorum: if you want to win this election, it has proven to be the most important of our

lifetime. we have not had a chance to talk about the culture. bottom line, our culture is crumbling. most of the folks are running for president are running for the hills. very few are willing to stand up and white. it is getting so toxic out there. we need to have a leader willing to stand and fight for the principles that made our country great. if we don't, what is the point of winning? if we don't have a leader that is willing to win so america can win. if you want to win, we have to run those states that run through the heart of iowa through pennsylvania. if we don't win those states which we have not in winning, we will not be very successful in this election. the only way we are going to win those states is not turning out more conservatives. look at the numbers. that is not it. it is turning out voters who stayed home last time because they don't think either party gives a look about them. -- lick about them.

[applause] senator santorum: that means we have to have a narrative. when we paint the picture of the future of america, include them in the narrative. we will win the election and more portly, america is going to win. frank: ladies and gentlemen, rick santorum. [applause]

welcome him back to the leadership summit and wisconsin governor scott walker. governor walker: thank you. i like the shoes. frank: i almost got through the entire day without somebody commenting on it. governor walker: those are red white, and blue. i like them. frank: now substance. my first question, you couldn't possibly have thought, back in january, you would go on to-3% in the polls to being the front runner in iowa. what happened?

you are not the most funded candidate. you have been here a fair amount read what happened? governor walker: in january, the media thought, this guys maybe not as charismatic. he doesn't have all this money. we came here to iowa, des moines, and spoke with congressman king. there were a lot of people who helped us out during the recall a couple of years ago. thanks. [applause] governor walker: a lot of people admired what we had done just across the mississippi. that we had taken on the big government special interest. done all the different things we had done from social issues to economic and fiscal issues. but wondered if this guy is up for a national election.

we gave a speech where i talked like i talked. told the story of what we did like i would ask home in wisconsin. people said, maybe this guy can break through and be a legitimate candidate. i think people are looking for someone who can write and win. we fought and won. [applause] frank: i want specific definitions. for several policies where there has been suggestion you are on different sides -- how far are you willing to fight for the sanctity of marriage? governor walker: i have had this opinion for 20 years. i believe it is between a man and woman. last year as governor, i joined with the attorney general and defended it the federal courts system. when the decision came out last

month, i said, i was frustrated five unelected jurists got to tell people state by state what they could do. i believe we should support a constitutional amendment to allow states to do whatever they see fit. in my state, we did one man and woman and i support that. [applause] governor walker: i also believe it is a part of that and from day one we have a president who is willing to fight to support religious freedoms in this country. that is something inherent already in the constitution, something i have fought for in my state, and something the next president should fight for. it is not freedom from religion, it is freedom of religion. we should have the right to practice our religious freedoms

in this country. frank: would you support the indiana legislation in wisconsin? governor walker: it is even better in wisconsin. we have it in the state's constitution. we have lived just fine with it. i support our constitution. i believe america -- think about it. roger williams. william penn came to pennsylvania largely because of religious persecution. this is why the founders came to these united states. to form a more perfect nation. part of it was because of religious persecution. that is something we should never lose sight of. protecting religious liberties. [applause]

frank: immigration. you have been accused of taking different points of view by some of the people in the front three rows here. are they correct? have you been consistent over time? and they just don't understand? governor walker: as a governor i don't deal with it. it has not been a heavy concern. i said earlier this year, i sat down and pointed out, i said this is an issue where i have changed somewhat. i went to the border. i flew in the air. i went on the ground. i talked to people and others along the border. i listened to americans across this country. i looked at how messed up the president has dealt with the issue.

last fall, i was one of the first governors to join the federal government lawsuit against the president. i believe immigration is simple. secure the borders. uphold the law. i believe we need a legal immigration system that gives priority to the impact on american working families, their wages, in a way that will improve the american economy. [applause] frank: what happens to the 11 million people who are here? governor walker: that is where the media has it backwards. you can even begin to talk about it until you secure the border. i do not believe in amnesty. when i went to the border, it was eye-opening. being there, not just being in the air and on the ground, but talking to professionals and even some federal folks there. there are international criminal organizations penetrating the southern border. not just drug cartels, they are

pushing drugs, firearms. human traffic. not just people coming across to work. we are talking horrific examples of human trafficking. if this was happening in our water-based ports on the east or west coast, we would be sending the coast guard is not the u.s. navy. the federal government needs to step up and security borders. if israel can put up a 500 mile fence and have the technology and personnel to keep it safe, so much so that they have a 90% reduction in terrorism, there is no reason that great u.s. can't secure its southern border once and for all. [applause] frank: your father was a pastor. governor walker: he retired. all of us are called a minister in one form or another.

frank: what is your relationship with god? governor walker: jesus christ, he is my lord and savior. that defines everything to not just who i am as an elected official, who i am as a father and friend. how i interact with people. that doesn't mean i have a list like the 10 commandments of what to do on every single issue. it defines not just who i am and what i believe in, but how i treat others. i hope people saw, even at the height when i had 100,000 protesters occupied our capital, and i had death threats, we did not respond in kind. that in part was driven by our faith. [applause] frank: back left. >> governor walker, you are

known as a pro-life champion due to defunding planned parenthood in your home state. thank you for that. that being said, early this week, the planned parenthood baby parts trafficking video went viral. it was a top trending topic. you finally posted something yesterday, four days after the release of the video. this, combined with your hiring of pro-choice staff members, is getting people like me reason for concern for you and your campaign. why did it take you so long and why were you playing it safe and not hitting a home run on this topic? governor walker: simple --actions speak louder than words. a lot of people tell you they

are going to fight for things. i have actually won. i defunded planned parenthood in my own state when none of these videos came out. i did not have a cover of a video to make the case for why planned parenthood needed to be defunded. i knew the right thing was to take it away from an organization that supported death and support women's health. i defended that without the cover. long before i would have even dreamed of being a presidential candidate. there are a lot of people that come on stages like this that make great speeches about how they are going to fight to defund planned parenthood. i have actually done it and i will continue to be a pro-life president. [applause]

frank: microphone number two. >> my question is, what do you believe the u.s. relationship with israel should be looking ahead? governor walker: where it should be, and where it will be if i am president, we should acknowledge israel as an ally. and treat israel as an ally. that means no daylight -- [applause] governor walker: that means absolutely no daylight. when i was in israel, i didn't just meet with prime minister netanyahu. i met with the opposition leader as well. it was important to let the people of israel know, if i were elected, there would be no gap. there would be no daylight between the u.s. and israel. that is important not just for israel, but for the u.s. around the world. the obama-clinton doctrine of leading from behind puts us in harms way, not only in the middle east, sends a signal all

with russia in europe and the ukraine. even to the point of what we see in the south china sea with china and aggressive actions in international waters. all of these things i believe are tying us together. when we backed away from our allies, it sends a signal to allies to push back. >> we have executive people who are not following the law or the constitution. we also have judges who are citing sharia law and international law in their decisions. why is it that these people are not brought to justice? why are they not arrested? why are not these justices impeached?

that is my question. [applause] scott walker: i can tell you the type of judges and justices i would put on the bench. because i have done it. i made appointments to the circuit court and court of appeals. i have not yet made a supreme court appointment in my state but i have simple criteria. men and women of integrity solid credentials with the law. but most importantly i want individuals who understand the sole role of the judiciary at any level particularly at the highest level at federal courts, is to uphold the constitution of the united states and those laws enacted under it. no more, no less. those are the sorts of judge and justices i will appoint. [applause] frank: microphone, front right. >> hello, governor. my question is for all

candidates, present and future. america is beautiful. we have 300 plus million people. we all have different value systems and backgrounds, etc. my fear is the lobbyists control our population. -- politicians. and the people are not represented. my question is this. i am a little nervous. >> that is all right, you are doing fine. >> i would ask this question to you and all future politicians. can we outlaw lobbyists? [applause] governor walker: one of the ideas i have that does not go quite to that point but gets to the heart of what you are getting at. i started out yesterday in a 99 county tour. i am doing the full grassley.

just like senator reynolds. [applause] : -- governor walker: we are doing all 99 counties. we have a winnebago. i was in council bluffs and sioux city earlier. cedar rapids yesterday. part of what i talked about earlier was saying when i talk about the three pillars of our campaign. reform, growth, safety. we talk about reform, one of the things we did in wisconsin was to take power out of the hands of big government special interests" it firmly -- and put it firmly into the hands of taxpayers. the economy is better. fewer unemployed. balanced budget. schools are better. sorts of good things in that regard. i think the parallel nationally, federal government, moved to take power out of washington. and send it back to the states and in many cases the cities so it gets as close to the people as possible. the reason is when you do that

it it is more effective, more efficient. more accountable. the classic example of this is i think by taking money from education and sending it back to des moines or your local schools, the benefit is it gets rid of all of the controversy over, and core or the nationwide -- over common core or the nationwide school board. i don't want that. i want the money back to local schools where parents can make that decision. you are better to hold your neighbors accountable on your local school board and city council and county board, then you can by dealing with people in washington. i think that will help the heart of your problem. [applause] frank: your campaign has focused, probably more than any of them, on hard-working taxpayer risk. -- taxpayers. what does that mean? what are the policies that flow from that? governor walker: for me, that means lowering the tax burden.

i think a good start would be to look at what president reagan did in 1986 when i was in high school. having to w -- two lower margin rates. that is sometimes called the laffer curve. i talk about buying clothes kohls. you lower rates, broaden the base. there is a greater value and people participate in the economy. today, instead of the laffer curve, i call it the kohls curve. but back in the 80's, it worked under ronald reagan. lowering the marginal tax rate and reforming the tax. to move forward, we should look back at something like that that worked effectively. we need to lower the burden on job creators so we can bring jobs back from overseas and put americans back to work. [applause] >> front left, agree phone one.

-- microphone one. >> hello, mr. walker. an honor to speak with you. i think this current administration has shown us how important it is to pick a good running mate. [laughter] >> i'm curious which standard he would hold your running mate to. frank: the way you should answer it is what should the next presidential -- i do not know how to do this. governor walker: one, it is little presumptuous. i am not even a week into the campaign to pick who will be on the ticket. if, god willing, i am the melanie to be president, -- nominee to be president, first and foremost, kind of like i talked about the judicial picks, i'm going to pick someone qualified to be president of the united states.

because if god forbid, the number one responsibility is to stand and be the president to . i'm not going to pick somebody for political reasons. they need to be equipped and qualified to be president. i want somebody who shares my values. who understands my understanding about american values in this country. [applause] frank: i was in cedar rapids and i went to want to watch a number of democrats campaign in ohio -- met in ohio, and iowa over the last couple of weeks. [laughter] frank: and some of them choose to make fun of you. for the fact that you did not graduate from a four-year university. that you stopped toward the end. not that they were criticizing you but they were trying to poke at you. what do you say to them? governor walker: i would say hey, you know what, if they want to waste their time on that, it is simple for me.

like a lot of people across america, i left in my senior year to work for the american red cross. i left because i had a job offer, not a degree. a lot of my friends had degrees and no job offers. [applause] governor walker: i thought, i am pretty smart -- [applause] governor walker: admittedly, i thought along the way, i will go back and take a credit here and there. got into the job, wanted to make a good impression. got into the american red cross. early on, we did a lot of work during desert storm and desert shield and 91 -- in 91 with military families. did marketing and development. then i met the love of my life in april of 1992. proposed to her by august. by february 6 of next year, we were married. a year later we have matthew and alex. all your time and money goes to your family. here i sit. i hope people will judge me,

just like somebody would harder to run a business, and that is -- you would harder to run a business, and that is to -- hiiness and that is to look at what i have done. look at the job they have done before. [applause] governor walker: i just want to qualify that. because we have two boys in college. i want them to finish college. -college -- i think college is a good thing. if you want a career that requires a college degree, i think that is great. i also hope we send a message to those who wanted career that -- want a career that requires a two-year degree, that those are just as wonderful. [applause] frank: one more. does barack obama or hillaryn understand hard-working taxpayers? governor walker: they don't act like it.

i mean, they certainly do not act like it. i think, to me, there is such a contrast out there. i think barack obama, president obama, he's got the title, i'm going to give him that. president obama, even know i don't agree with him. hillary clinton, they believe you grow the economy by growing washington. i believe you grow it by helping hard-working people in the cities and towns and villages across this country. the government doesn't create jobs, people create jobs. and i believe, you know, the measure of success for someone like the current president and hillary clinton, they measure the success of government by how many people are dependent on it. i measure it by how many people are no longer dependent on the government. [applause] frank: you are in the fortunate position of getting the last word. [laughter] frank: what do you want to leave them with?

governor walker: thank you -- first off, thank you for sticking around. i know it has been a long day. you have heard a lot of great people. i have said it all through the day and all through this week, we are blessed to have some outstanding republicans running for president. i am honored to be one of them. [applause] governor walker: and so you will not hear me speak ill of any of them. i made one exception today, i said i will not comment on candidates or policy. the exception i made is when someone goes personal, and attacks an american hero, you may agree or disagree with his politics, but john mccain is an american hero and i will defend him and any other veteran who has been a prisoner of war. [applause] governor walker: having said that, i am not going to get into other candidates and issues. i'm going to talk about what i am for, not what i am against. and i think the american people want that. but there is a difference in this race. you will hear more in the coming

days. there are really two groups. there are fighters and there are winners. there are fighters who fought the good fight time and time again in washington, and god bless them for doing it. but they have yet to win the fights on issues after issues. then there are winners, who have won and re-won elections, but they have not taken on the relevant fights. you are looking for someone who can do both. i am the only one out there. i have fought and i have one, a -- won, not just winning three elections in a state without a republican since 1984. we have actually won the battles from lowering taxes to defunding planned parenthood to passing the castle doctrine, passing right to work. you name a common sense conservative reform and we have fought for it just across the mississippi in a blue state. if we can fight and win and those reforms can work there they can work anywhere in america.

and if that is what you want and the next president, -- want in the next president someone , who will fight and win for you, i am your guy. i ask for your vote. frank: governor scott walker. governor walker: thanks. [applause] >> great close. >> on newsmakers, labor secretary thomas perez talks about the minimum wage, overtime pay, family leave, and deployment numbers, m.d. -- employment numbers, and the effect on the economy. "newsmakers," on c-span. >> this weekend receives them cities tour travels across the country with cable. to learn more about the life in lexington, kentucky. >> in the mid-1940's, if you had

asked who was a bright, shining star in american politics, on a national scale, somebody who is going to be governor or senator or perhaps president, a lot of people, katherine graham, would have said arthur prichard. he was one of the people who worked in the white house in his early 20's and seemed destined for great things and then came back to kentucky in the 1940's and was indicted for stuffing a ballot box. went to prison. and so that incredible promise just flamed out. >> we also visit ashland, former home of speaker of the house senator, and secretary of state henry clay. >> the mansion is a unique situation. clay's original home had to be torn down and rebuilt. develop into disrepair and his son found it could not be

rebuilt. what we have is a home that is essentially a five-part federal style home like henry clay had with italianate details. and an added layer of aesthetic detail added by henry clay's granddaughter and great-granddaughter and so on. >> see all of our programs from lexington throughout the day and sunday afternoon at 2:00 on american history tv on c-span3. >> next, then of the current republican presidential candidates -- 10 of the great republican presidential candidates were in iowa today. they were interviewed -- the current republican presidential candidates were in iowa today. they were interviewed. we will show you the remarks in order of appearance starting with marco rubio followed by donald trump and dr. ben carson.

>> please welcome to iowa to the 2015 family leadership summit, florida's u.s. senator marco rubio. [applause] >> standing ovation. not only am i ill but the senator has been ill. the question you should do is count the number of times he coughs and i cough. i promise -- [coughing] [laughter] >> ok, i'm supposed to do the jokes here. if we can turn the house lights up. and part of what is going to make this special is that every speaker will begin with a question from the audience.

and so i want the cameras to turn on you. i'm going to ask you two simple questions. many of you, by show of hands -- how many of you, by show of hands, are better off today than your parents were when they were your age? who believes they are better off? raise your hands? so almost everybody. be honest with me. for many of you truly believe not that you want but you believe your children will be better off than you when they are your age? raise your hands. if the reporters can look around you. almost no hands are up. we have lost faith in the future. the polling that we have seen is all very pessimistic. the most optimistic people are first generation immigrants. now you know something about immigration policy. you were put through the ringer for over a year. what did you learn from that experience and what advice would you give them now?

marco rubio: a couple of points. i think the american people believe in immigration and want it to work for america. i don't think we can make progress until we get it under control. that is the biggest lesson. i believe people are ready to be reasonable about it reasonable about it and modernize our system. they want to make sure that the problem we have now of the rampant out-of-control illegal immigration is brought under control and never happens again. they don't believe that it is and they don't trust this president to do it. there's two steps. we have to secure our border. not just the border with mexico. we have to secure our airports and seaports. 40% of the people in this country illegally come legally and overstate a visa. we only log you in, we don't log you out. that's like having a hotel when you only check in and don't check out. we need electronic verification for employers. the magnet that draws people here is jobs and we have to

create a system where employers can reliably be expected and demanded to check and ensure the people they are hiring are not legally here. if you do those two things, you will bring illegal immigration under control. >> do you agree with him? [applause] i don't want -- louder? ok, we heard you the first time. [laughter] >> by the way, that gentleman screaming, i would do anything for your voice right now. [laughter] senator rubio: i will move my microphone closer to my mouth. >> i want to invite you, if there is something you agree with, it is ok to applaud. i want to make sure we are respectful of people when they are up here. my final question, is washington capable of solving it? or is washington so broken that we will talk about immigration year after year? senator rubio: that's up to our leaders. the people have to be committed the idea that our job is to solve problems, not just give speeches about them.

not just on immigration, on our economy, national security -- the bad news is that america is not fulfilling its potential as a country. we are a great country. we can be even greater than we are today. especially in the new century. that is the good news. the bad news is that we are not doing it. these are self-inflicted wounds. we are a nation with a government that refuses to solve our problems. or has been unable to solve its problems for longer than a decade. eventually, that question, if our children are not better off, it's because we did not do it took to ensure that they are better off. >> you are a part of that government. senator rubio: i agree and it is frustrating. it was frustrating for seven years in the senate as harry reid chose to do nothing. he chose to do nothing. the senate did not do a thing. we face a situation where even if we make progress, we have the president will veto things. he's more committed to doing things by executive order than the proper channels of division of powers that the constitution gives us. [applause] senator rubio: that is why this

election is important. [applause] >> i would be remiss if i did not ask you, what do you do with the 11 million who are here now. some of the rubio: that is a very difficult situation. i do not think -- senator rubio: that is a very difficult situation. i do not think you can even have the debate until you do two things. secure the border. you have to modernize legal immigration. every year, the united states admits permanently one million human beings to the united states. they come here on the basis of whether or not they have a relative living care. in the 21st century, it cannot be on the basis of having a relative -- it has to be on the basis of what you bring to the country. are you coming to be an american or live in america? [applause] senator rubio: i think if we do those two things, i think the vast majority of americans will be very reasonable with someone who has been here for 15 years, will will pay taxes, pay a fine for a work permit -- i don't think you

can get to that point until we've done the other two things. in fact, i do not think we can get to that point, i know we cannot get to that point having gone through this the last couple of years. >> if people have a question for marco rubio, there is a microphone down here, there is a microphone up there, there is a microphone over there. now is the chance to go to the microphones if you want to ask a question of senator rubio. something that is going to happen in the next 60 days and that is the iranian treaty. obviously you are against it. what likelihood do you have of being able to preventing it? senator rubio: it depends on whether we are able to convince 14 democrats to vote against it. there are plenty of reasons. you will learn about them. i will give you three. first of all, the inspection requirements are a complete sham. it sounds almost like an arbitration panel for a contract between two companies. basically we have to ask -- no american inspectors are allowed into iran.

second, it says that if we want to inspect the facility in iran, we have to ask for permission from iran. if iran says no, then it goes through a complicated 24 day appeal process. if that doesn't work, it has to be moved to the foreign ministers and then ends up at the un security council. when you add up all of the days it can be well over 50 days. guess what happens after 50 days? they have probably cleaned up the site you wanted to go see in the first place. if they refuse to allow you to inspect, the consequences are iran basically walks away from the deal. it had better be a big violation. in europe to go along. -- for these countries in europe to go along. here is the most outrageous thing in the deal. it says we have to help iran develop technical abilities, economic, trade, manufacturing -- we have to help iran become a more powerful. it requires us to do that.

it requires us to help iran fight against sabotage that might exist against a nuclear program. well, the only people trying to sabotage it are our allies. for the first time in a long time or in american history, we are now required to work against countries like israel on behalf of iran. and by the way, we now have multiple american hostages that are completely untouched in the deal. i can go on and on. they can build a long-range rockets. outcomes of human rights violators will go off of the section list. -- all kinds of human rights violations will go off of the section list. all these requirements go away in 15 years. other than that, i guess it's good. [laughter] >> if it's that bad, why would this president do this? senator rubio: because he wants a legacy. he wants to build exhibits for his presidential library. barack obama opened up america to iran and the next president blew it. barack obama created peace in our time. it's absurd and our allies know it's absurd. [applause]

senator rubio: and so we live in a world where we treat the ayatollah in iran with more respect than the prime minister of the only pro-american, free enterprise democracy in the middle east, the state of israel. [applause] frank luntz: we are going to go to microphone one over there. >> i was wondering if you are willing to call the terrorism we have been facing in our country and other countries islamic terrorism, and if it is, how you keep it from plaguing our youth? rubio: that is what it is. it is not radical presbyterian terrorism, it is radical islamic terrorists. [applause] [cheering] senator rubio: and i want to to know why it is fair for us to call it that. it is not fair to the

non-radical muslims to call it that. the first thing, we have to defeat the ideology. we have to defeat it online. we have the capability in this country to go after them. why do they have a twitter account up? why do we allow isis to have these online social media networks? we have the ability to take them down. let's do it. [applause] senator rubio: second, we have to target to them militarily in the safe havens. isis does not exist unless they have a place to operate from. and that is why we need to increase airstrikes. that is why we need to increase working with our allies in the region with more logistical support and special operations forces to eliminate and take away from radical jihadists the safe havens and the operating space they need to exist. we have to show the world, and especially these youngsters that are being radicalized, that isis is not some unbeatable, inevitable power. isis is someone we can humiliate. and we need to. we need to subject them to high-profile and humiliating defeats.

and we need to broadcast it to the world. we have won propaganda wars before. we can win it against radical jihadists, but we are not to doing that now. [applause] frank luntz: microphone two. >> thank you for coming today. regarding global warming climate change, and the epa, how do you feel the obama administration has handled this? is that hurting our manufacturing competitiveness hurting jobs, etc.? how would a rubio administration handled the balance? senator rubio: they absolutely are hurting us. first of all the epa now was to regulate everything. every waterway of the country, they want to get their claws on. that is number one. number two is, i think it is important for us to protect the natural environment. i know no one who wants water to be poisoned. i know no one who wants to be unbreathable. but i also know of no one who wants to go to a third world economy. i also know no one wants to see single mothers having to pay $100 a month more and a utility bill. i know of no one who wants to make the price of food more expensive because it costs money to all egge -- haul eggs from

iowa to another part of the country. and that is what we are going to get different go forward on this radical environmental agenda. i believe it is possible to fully utilize our energy resources in this country and protect our natural environment. the job of policymakers is to do that. that is what our epa would do, that is what my administration will be about. [applause] frank luntz: let's go to microphone number four back there. >> senator rubio, my question to you is our national debt is over $18 trillion. it will be higher by the election next year. what steps would you take to reduce it? first step would be too expect of people why we have a national debt. it is not foreign aid, less than 1% of our budget. it is not food stamps and welfare. there is abuse and fraud in those programs, and that needs to be under control. it is not military spending.

which we are in this rating and leaving our children of our nation vulnerable to attack. the way social security and medicare are currently structured for future generations. i'm from florida. you may not know this, but there are millions of people in florida on medicare and social security. [laughter] one of them is my mother. let me just say, she is eight decades plus four years. [laughter] but i recognize that an order for us to save medicare and social security, it will not be able to work the same way for me as it did for her. my generation and people younger than me need to accept that if we want to balance our budget, leave medical care and social security the way it is now, and save those programs for the future, our benefits won't grow as fast as our parents' social security grew, and our medicare may not be a plan from the government. it might be money we get every

month to buy a plan for ourselves on the private market, somewhat to the way medicare advantage works now. that is not too much to ask of americans my age in order to save medicare and social security the way it is for our parents, balance our budget, to prevent a debt crisis for our nation. [applause] frank luntz: one second, hold on. how old are you? mr. rubio: i am 44, but i feel 45 today. [laughter] frank luntz: you have been in the senate for one term. you are very articulate. you know the issues pretty well. people have compared you to other individuals, the single biggest knock on you is that those who have talked about to have compared you to other conservative leaders who have suggested that you haven't been around long enough. mr. rubio: here is the truth, i haven't lived as long as some of the other people running. [laughter]

but i do think anybody running for president understands what life is like for people than i do. i'm glad people like hillary clinton talk about people living paycheck to paycheck. my parents did. i loved listening to the democrats last night in the thing, what are they do? frank luntz: cedar rapids. mr. rubio: yeah, it wasn't here. and i'm sure none of your went but i watched some of it last night. oh, you are there. good. i never trust him anyway. [laughter] i learned a new word, comrade. [laughter] i love listening to them talk about people with student loan debt. i have student loan debt. up until four years ago. and the other point i would make is, it is true, there are people running that have a lot more experience than i do on issues we faced 18 years ago. but no one running has more experience on the issues that we face right now, today, with a world that is more dangerous than ever and an economy that is

changing faster than ever since the industrial revolution. [applause] frank luntz: microphone one. >> if you were elected president today, what specifically would you do to move our country forward? mr. rubio: there is a number of things we need to do, but i want to focus on three. frank luntz: this is a summit, rather than a traditional political partisan event. so i just want to -- if -- the next president should -- yes, who are the lawyers and here? raise your hand. get out. [laughter] mr. rubio: but i'm recovering. so the next president needs to do three things. the first thing, we had to

become the best place in the world to create the best paying jobs of the 21st century. we have to compete with dozens of other countries. we need a tax code, limited regulations, and a balanced budget that will allow us to be the best country in the world to provide the best paying jobs. number two, we had to revolutionize what higher education means. we cannot afford to graduate people with a mountain of loans for a degree that doesn't lead to jobs. how many greek philosophers do we really need in america? we shouldn't be requiring people to borrow money to pay for that. we have to have more vocational education and we have to create flexible higher education programs that are available for people that are stuck in low-wage jobs, but have to work full-time and raise a family. the thing is, we have the rain -- we have to remain the most powerful nation on earth. [applause] and that is why we have to rebuild our defenses, rebuild our foreign policy and the trust

our allies have it us, and strengthen family life in america. you cannot have a strong country without strong families. and you can't have strong families without empowered marriages and empowered parents. [applause] frank luntz: this program is the family leader. you said strength in families. do you really think there is a role from washington, dc in strengthening families? mr. rubio: not the primary role. the primary role is on each of us individually as a mother, father, husband, wife, member of the community. but we should not have a good -- government that discourages it. we have safety net programs that discourage people from getting married. we deny people the right to put their kids in a school of choice. and we have an attorney general general and a supreme court that will not stand up for the rights

of every american family to instill in their children traditional values without being persecuted or discriminated against a government or by society. [applause] [cheering] frank luntz: microphone two. >> i have a question on the recent controversy in the news about methods used in cia interrogation sites regarding al qaeda and what not. how do you feel about that in regards to obama terminating that within 48 hours of presidency? mr. rubio: well, interrogations have not been used in that method in a long time and we are not going to go back to those methods. let me say this. there are dangerous people on this planet. every single day, they plot to kill as many americans as possible. they work actively to do it. if we ever get our hands on people like that, and we are able to gather intelligence from them that allows us to prevent another attack, we should do everything within our legal power to try and access that

information. treating them as enemy combatants, the way you would as an enemy in the field. [applause] and the one thing we should not do is advertise what are interrogation methods are. do you know why? let me just -- let me explain why. let me tell you i don't advertise. because then you allow these terrorists to practice. you allow them to prepare on how to resist it. so really, right now, it is not an issue. this president is not arresting any terrorists anymore. frank luntz: that is a pretty strong statement. mr. rubio: which one? [laughter] frank luntz: the president -- mr. rubio: he is not. they want to close guantanamo. frank luntz: are you saying that this administration has gone soft on terrorism?

mr. rubio: you know what they do not? this is even more humane now. they just kill them with a drone, as opposed to trying to capture as many people as we can and gather intelligence from them. we have lost intelligence in the process. the truth is, there will hours be a role to play in confronting the enemy and eliminating them but we also need to find the ability to remove people from the battlefield. when you are talking about closing guantanamo, then what you're saying is we are no longer tied together actionable intelligence. frank luntz: is barack obama soft on terrorism? mr. rubio: barack obama is confused about global terrorism because -- he won't call it that, number one. i am sure he is against it. i know that he is, but he won't call it what it is that he will confront it in a meaningful way. so we are conducting 11 first

airstrikes a day. that is not american power. what is that? it is not an effective way -- he told us he you have ago that isis was a jv team. today, isis is located in libya, other nations in north africa, they just blew up in egyptian ship yesterday. they are increasingly active in lebanon. they are probably deeply embedded in refugee camps in syria. they are starting to pop up in other areas. they are growing. they are spreading. somehow, our tactics remain the same a year later. no real strategy moving toward. frank luntz: i want to give you one opportunity to close. mr. rubio: actually, can i rely on this to close with something i think is important? frank luntz: if you tell them what it is. mr. rubio: it is a bible. i think they know. [applause] [cheering] chapter 12 verse 48, it talks

about our obligations. it says, for everyone who has given much, much will be required. and whom they have entrusted much, of all they will ask more. i think that speaks to us in our individual lives. i think that speaks to us in our individual lives. america doesn't only anything. i have a debt to this country i will never repay. it is the nation that literally changed the history of my family. when my father was nine years old and lost his mother, he had to go work, he had to leave school. and his mission of his life was to give us the chance that he could never do, and that was only possible because of america. it speaks to us as a nation. much has been given to this country. we have been blessed with this vast, fertile land with the most creative and innovative people in all of mankind. and with that, comes the responsibility to lead the world politically, economically, militarily, and morally. there are a lot of people out

there who may talk about america, they admire us. they are inspired by us. they believe they can be better because they are inspired by us. that is the country i want to lead. i hope that is what this election will be about. frank luntz: senator marco rubio! [applause] mr. rubio: thank you very much. >> thank you. >> great job. mr. rubio: thank you. [applause] >> please welcome back franklin's and welcome to iowa and to the family leadership summit businessman donald trump. [applause]

donald trump: beautiful. look at that. frank: hello. mr. trump: that is very good. frank: i want to ask you, how many of you believe the majority of politicians in washington play by their own set of rules and don't tell the truth? raise your hand. does anyone trust anyone in washington? audience: no. frank luntz: second question this is appropriate to you. what is most important in the next president? political experience or business experience? who says political? raise your hand.

who says business experience, raise your hands. i think both. so i need to ask you, the most important attribute of a successful workforce is the education and training. it is a major issue out there and i know how focused you are on getting the best employees. common core has been very controversial. the president has had to step back on it. what should the next president do with common core and with education? mr. trump: a great question. common core has to be ended. it is a disaster. [applause] it is a way of taking care of the people in washington that frankly i don't even think they give a damn about education, half of them. i am sure some of you may be do.

frank luntz: do you want to use that word? mr. trump: i will, i will. because people want to hear the truth, frank. exactly what frank said is what is wrong with our country. we are so politically correct that we cannot move anymore. [applause] you know? frank luntz: wait a minute. mr. trump: we have to be able to express ourselves. frank luntz: but don't we go too far? don't you feel that you went too far in what you call -- coming across the border. mr. trump: oh, no, not at all. let me tell you, not at all. two things. i am so proud of the fact that i got dialogue started on illegal immigration. and people in the media, and all fairness, they were very rough on me in that first week and now many have apologized to me. it has turned out i was right.

someone in san francisco was shot by someone illegal who was here five times. they couldn't do anything about it and now everybody is saying that trump was right. i tell you, i took a lot of abuse. i had disloyal people like macy's. they said we are going to have two drop you. i said, i don't care. i never liked them that much because they were made in china. and never matter that much. obviously, they appreciated. frank luntz: but referring to people as rapists. you called to, a war hero, a dummy. is that appropriate for running for president?

mr. trump: you have to let me speak, frank, because you interrupt me all the time. let's take john mccain. i'm in phoenix. we have a meeting that is going to have 500 people. we get a call from the hotel. turmoil. thousands of people are showing up days before. 3, 4, the hotel says, we cannot handle this. we move it to the convention center. we have 15,000 people. the biggest one ever. bigger than bernie sanders and everyone knows it. a beautiful day with incredible people who were wonderful great americans. i will tell you. john mccain -- donald trump makes my life difficult. i said they were not crazy. they were great americans.

i know what crazy is. i know all about crazies. people are not crazy. he insulted me and he insulted everyone in that room and i said someone should run against john mccain, and i supported him. for president. i pledged a million dollars frame. he let us down. he lost. i didn't like him as much after that. mr. luntz: he was aware hero. -- he is a war hero. mr. trump: i like people who were not captured. mr. luntz: he is aware hero -- he is a war hero because he was captured. mr. trump: i said, john mccain i disagree with him that these people are crazy and i speak the truth. he graduated last in his class

at annapolis i said, no one knows that. he was upset. why? for telling the truth. you're not supposed to say that someone graduates last in their quest because yours was this -- you are supposed to be very nice. i want to make america great again. we don't want to listen to his stuff and be politically correct. we have a lot of work to do. frank, the other day hillary clinton got up and said -- i did not like mr. trump's joan. we have people christians, having their heads chopped off in the middle east. we have people dying over the border. we have, like medieval times, and she said -- i did not like his tone. what does it have to do with tone?

we want results. this group wants results. [applause] we have people -- mr. luntz: we have people lined up for questions. you said the word christian. have you ever ask god for forgiveness? mr. trump: that is a tough question. i am a religious person. shockingly. i am protestant. i am presbyterian. i go to church and i love god and i love my church. norman vincent peel with my pastor. the positive -- the power of positive thinking. he was so great. he would give a sermon and no one ever wanted to leave your. dr. norman vincent peel would give a sermon -- i am

telling you, i still remember his sermons. he would bring real-life situations, modern-day situations into the sermon. you could listen to him all day long. and you left the church, you are disappointed that it was over. he was the greatest guy. he passed away. he wrote -- the power of positive thinking. mr. luntz: but, have you ever asked god for forgiveness> mr. trump:s? mr. trump: i don't think so. if i do something wrong, i try to do it -- i try to make it right. i don't bring god into the picture. when we go to church, and i drink my little wine that is a form of asking for forgiveness. i do that as often as possible because that is a way i feel cleansed. in terms of officially -- i

could say absolutely, i don't think in those terms. i think -- let's go on and let's make it right. [applause] mr. luntz: microphone one please. >> we respectfully remember the 1992 elections. would you go on record today and say, if you cannot get the nomination come you will not run as a third-party candidate? mr. trump: no. i will not go on record and say that. i want this country -- this country has great potential but soon it will not have that potential because it is being drained by incompetent leaders. for example, the iranian deal. just this morning, and yesterday, secretary kerry, who is the worst negotiator. secretary kerry said very

strongly -- we did not want to bring up the hostages and complicated deal. how is that complicating the deal that we want our hostages back? it was just announced that iran got one of their leading nuclear scientist that as part of their deal. just announced this morning. iran, in addition to making an unbelievable deal, which will make them one of the most powerful countries, we are giving them billions of dollars we should not be giving them we did not get our hostages back which is terrible, because they did not want to complicate. we didn't want to complicate the negotiations. when obama was asked that question the other day, the anger in his face at being asked that question and he said -- we did not want to complicate

things. iran just got their big scientist back and we decided -- we just found out about it this morning. we are run by a group of incompetent people who are destroying our country. [applause] can i say one other thing? nobody deals with politicians more than i do. i contributed to everybody. they did whatever i said. everybody. [laughter] i contributed to hillary clinton. i was a businessman. why would my? n't i? i told them to be at my wedding. mr. luntz: which wedding? [laughter] mr. trump: my last wedding.

but, as a businessman, you have understandings and other things to do. i am very proud of my record. no politician in my opinion, i know them all, i watch them, a talk about the moon and the sunshine -- people want jobs. no politician is going to get this country back. i am sort of a politician because i have been dealing with them all of my life. if you cannot win and make a lot of money with politicians, you're not very good. i don't think anyone has dealt with them any better. all of the people, when you s ee bush has $100 million, those people are controlled by those who gave them the money. they are lobbyists and special interests and donors. i will tell you that they are

under total control. when bush has to make a decision, can you imagine this guy negotiating against china? we have no chance. who would you rather have negotiating against china? trump or bush? mr. luntz: this is a summit as opposed to a political effort. you can afford the lawyers against the irs, i cannot. mr. trump: i know. mr. luntz: question for microphone two. >> you talked about your faith earlier, and i wonder how your faith and family has influenced -- have influenced how you raise your children. mr. trump: i have five wonderful children. i get questions similar to that because my children have done well. don and eric -- my three oldest

children have done well. they have gone into business and they are solid. they have not been in trouble. more than any other question i get from people is -- how did you raise your kids? one of them was through the church, very important. we have a church where i grew up, a first presbyterian church in jamaica queens and that is where i grew up and that is where i went to church. i did all of the things that a lot of folks in this room did. it was an important element. church was. the other important element was that from the time they are two years old, no drugs, no alcohol no cigarettes. my daughter, she said -- daddy you are driving me crazy. she did not even know what drugs were.

i see so many children get under the influence of drugs and alcohol and their are brilliant successful people. they have no chance. once they are under the influence of the drugs and alcohol, life is too tough. i was very strong with my children. no drugs, no outlaw. and i threw in cigarettes. mr. luntz: you often have dinner with your kids? mr. trump: almost always. i am always available to my children. i could be in the middle of the biggest, most important deal. for example, if my daughter called me right now, i would say goodbye. i was always available to my children. frankly, i was actually a great father. i was a better father than i was always been. the reason was, i was a worker.

they were very good women but i was always working. i was creating jobs, i was building jobs, i was doing legitimate stuff and it was very hard for a woman -- and i blame myself, no one else. it was a work thing. it was very hard for anyone to compete against the work. that was not good. mr. luntz: what advice you have? -- what advice do you have when you try to prioritize your career and family? what is the best way to get that right? mr. luntz:mr. trump: i know most of the successful people in the world. i sold an apartment to a chinese person for $55 million. i like china. i just don't appreciate that their leaders are so much

smarter than our leaders and they were. all of the time. same with mexico. i love the mexican people. thousands of them work for me. i just don't like that the mexican leaders are ripping off our country because they are smarter and more cunning than our leaders and our negotiators. between the trade and the border they are killing us. mr. luntz: your press conferences would take forever. [laughter] mr. trump: i was trying to get out the point. mr. luntz: career and family -- how do you balance? mr. trump: the happiest people are the people that have good families. i know the richest people in the world, i know the toughest people in the world, i know the most brutal people. great negotiators, great business people. not nice people. at the happiest people. they are very rich, very smart

and i would use them to negotiate against japan. i will tell you, they are not the happiest people. the happiest people i see have great families. [applause] and just to take that a step further, and i tell this to people all of the time, they asked me how to get rich? i tell them all of the time, because i have seen it, those people that have the great family, those are the people that i have seen that are the happiest. the successful people always want more. they could have 2 billion and they want 6 billion. they always want more. in the end, they are not happy. i don't know.

religion is a very big factor also. i have seen people who have a great family and god and church, and they love their church. i have friends who love to go to church and help their people -- and help their children. mr. luntz: this audience will be disappointed if i don't ask this question. what is your relationship with god? mr. trump: i pray. i go to church. i do things that are wrong, i guess so. i am a business person. i really do well at business. i have done great. i have made great deals. i on some of the greatest properties in the world. i think god helped me. god helped me by giving me a certain brain. i went to a phenomenal school -- the wharton school.

i did well there. i was born with a certain intellect that is good for this. essentially, when you boil it down, we need a president that is going to be able to make deals, great deals, because we are getting killed. we are -- our gdp went down in the first quarter. it became negative. when china goes up 7%. in china, they are going crazy. we have a negative number. it is unheard of. gdp goes down fairly substantially and i think it will continue to go down which means we are getting smaller but we have more people. many of home have -- many of

whom have come across the border. we need someone that can take our jobs back from china and mexico because we are going to help. our country is going to hell. we need someone that is going to be able to bring our jobs back. [applause] mr. luntz: so, i know part of this responsibility is to be able to understand who these people are. not just about policy. i want to give you a chance to close with the issues that you want to do. leaders are required to set priorities. is our economic health or our moral health more important for the next president to prioritize? mr. trump: you can do both, frank. it does not have to be one without the other. [applause] if i am elected president they

cannot create jobs like me. they cannot negotiate with china like i can. and every other single country in the world. if i can make the country strong financially, it is a lot easier for the country morally. if you look at what is going on. we are in serious trouble. our military -- we send weapons to our allies, and shots are fired, and we lose 2300 humvees. we do not know what we are doing. if i can make our country really strong, i would focus on the military. i would focus on the veterans. they are treated like fourth class citizens. that is part of the morality. these people went out and fought breast and they are great people. they are treated so badly. i have been with veterans who

say they go to a doctor's office in one of the places and they wait five days in a reception area before they get to see a doctor. that is bad morally. your question is very good but i think we have to go hand-in-hand. our country is a better nation -- a debtor nation, we have to make our country rich again. we have to make a great again. we cannot let other parts of the world steel our country, our jobs our manufacturing. with that being said, the morality of this country with the right president, president obama, i thought he would be a good president. one thing he would do is be a great cheerleader for the country. he has been horrible. mr. luntz: does he love america? mr. trump: i hope so. mr. luntz: is he a moral

president? mr. trump: i don't know. ask his wife. [laughter] [applause] i was hoping, and i thought, the one thing i thought about him, i saw him speaking in germany -- i thought he would be of the cheerleader for the country. he has been horrible. he has been divisive. he has not even called kate's family who was killed. he has not tell -- he has not called the family of kate steinle. an illegal immigrant killed her. he should not have been here. i think morality and i think success go hand in hand. you do not have to have one without the other. mr. luntz: ladies and gentlemen

donald trump. mr. trump: thank you. and you everyone. -- thank you everyone. i get a standing ovation. other people do not. [applause] mr. luntz: please welcome back frank luntz and welcome to iowa and the 2015 family leadership summit, neurosurgeon dr. ben carson. [applause] mr. luntz: before we begin there are going to be people walking up the rows and handing

out the sheet. today, if you have wanted to participate in the focus groups that you have seen on cbs or fox news, this is your chance to do it. i urge you, as the sheets get past out, send them down the rows and make sure when you head out to lunch, send them all the way back over here. this is your chance to be heard by america, not just today but for the next eight months. ladies and gentlemen, dr. ben carson. [applause] we always begin with an audience question and audience question for you is this -- and you will have three choices. this time, i want you to do it by applause because of your applause will determine what his

first question is. we face many threats today across the globe, but which is the number one threat? is it iran? is it russia? or is it isis? iran, russia, or isis? who believes it is iran? please applaud. [medium applause] who believes it is russia? --[medium-loud applause] and who believes it is isis? [loud applause] shall i preface this -- ok? who believes it is china? [medium-loud applause] returning to isis -- [laughter] they know of your expertise on health-care and that is where it

-- they would expect me to go but leadership requires you to know a lot more issues than the one of your greatest expertise. it is 3:00 a.m. and that phone call comes and it is about the challenge to america's safety and security and the threat is isis. what does the next president need to do now? so that phone call never comes. dr. carson: that's a great question because what is going on in the world right now is quite different than before. in 2003, for instance, when we invaded iraq and al qaeda was a big deal, there were many people who were not totally on board with that because they did not see where that was a significant threat to our national security. i could be one of those people because i was not very enthusiastic about that, however, we are facing now a completely different situation. we have radical islamic jihadists who want to destroy us and they want to destroy our way of life. their existence is a threat to

us, and we cannot be in that mindset that says, well, we made a mistake and we spent a bunch of money and we caused a lot of strife so, therefore, let's just get into our little cocoon and that is the problem for somebody else. that is not going to work. the fact of the matter is, they want to destroy us and we have two choices. we can sit here, ignore them bomb the desert and think we are doing something, or we can destroy the first? and i choose the latter. what i would do -- [applause] dr. carson: what i would do is use every resource available to us. i think that are offensive and defensive capabilities militarily are good. they have been degraded because they have been neglected but they are still extremely good. mr. luntz: would you send ground troops?

dr. carson: i would send ground troops if i needed ground troops in order to take the land. mr. luntz: you have an idea what the threat is, you defined it. is it a likelihood that ground troops would be necessary to succeed? dr. carson: i think it is a strong likelihood. the reason being, in order for them to develop, they need land. if we really want to break their backs, we take the land. you are not going to take the land without troops. we made this mistake in vietnam. we would go in, clear out the viet cong, declare victory, we would leave, and they would come right back. that does not do any good. the reason that isis arose is because we vacated iraq after we had secured the victory there.

mr. luntz: do people who are signing up today for the military the next president should tell them that they may be sent to the middle east to be on the ground? american troops on the ground to fight isis? dr. carson: i think they should know that, they should also know that we will use every other mechanism available to us, including economic sanctions. that we are going to take land including their oil wells, including anything they use -- [applause] to finance themselves and when that person is enlisting, we also ought to tell them that we are going to have resources in place to take care of them because 23 veterans commit

suicide every day in america and that is the tip of the iceberg. we are giving them some aid, but that should start when they enlist when they have a support system as they go through and when you're before they are discharged -- and one year before they are discharged and we should that people ready to transition them into society. [applause] mr. luntz: i had not thought of asking this question and i do not know how to do it in a way and you have been asked the before and i want to do it in a way that is not only respectful but appreciative. it is very easy for many of the people in this room to call themselves conservative, but if you look around this room, there are not many people of color. if you look around the room of conservatives in the northeast california, there are not many people of color. why are you here? and i mean that in the deepest spiritual way. why did you choose to be in this room and not in cedar rapids last night? dr. carson: i can tell you, i grew up in detroit, a strong democratic home.

i went to yale university, very liberal. i came back to baltimore maryland, not the bluest state -- one of the bluest states possible but early on during my career, i started noticing that there were a lot of people particularly a lot of people of color, who were coming in with social services. their lives were going nowhere and there are perfectly capable individuals. i recognized what the system was doing to them and then i started listening to ronald reagan as i had always been told that republicans were horrible, mean, racist people and that you should never have anything to do with them. i started listening to him and i said, he don't sound like that. he actually sounds like somebody with common sense. [laughter] that really started the transition. [applause]

and there are a lot of people who have been fed the propaganda just the way i was fed the propaganda, so i do not blame them for being there because they have not had the experience that i have had. i think there are a lot of people waking up. i met with a group of black pastors yesterday. people are waking up in droves and recognizing -- [applause] [cheering] i think they are starting to recognize what has been happening here because you start out in the 1960's, lyndon johnson with the war on poverty and a great new society, and how we are going to eradicate poverty -- have we done it?

we have spent $19 trillion since then, but we have 10 times more people on food stamps. everything that was supposed to be better is not only worse, but much worse. i do not want to demonize the people who started those programs, but we do have brains and brains tell you that when something is not working, you look at a different way to get it done. [applause] mr. luntz: have you got a question for ben carson? because i will go to the line. one last question, you called the black pastors. not african-american pastors. why did you use the word black rather than african-american? dr. carson: i do not have any problem with anybody using african-american, but when you

go to the museum on ellis island and you look at all those pictures on the wall of people who came here from every place in the world, many of them with only the things they could carry, people who work not eight hours a day but 10-12 hours a day, people who work not five days a week but 6-7 days a week, not for themselves but for their sons and daughters, grandsons and granddaughters that they may have so they can have freedom and prosperity in this land. hundreds of years before that, immigrants came here in the bottom of the slave ships and worked even harder but they had a dream, too, that there great-grandson's a great granddaughters would pursue freedom in this land of all the places in the world, this one, the united states of america was the only one big enough and great enough to allow all those people from all those backgrounds to realize their dreams. that means that every single one of us is relevant to every single one of us. there is something known as america and the american dream and the american psyche, and it is known all over the world, and

it has nothing to do with where your ancestors came from. it has everything to do with who we are today. [applause] mr. luntz: will we go to the back microphone, please? >> new york representative michael graham was sent to prison for tax evasion but al sharpton is still walking free. dr. carson: thank god he is not a representative. >> exactly. what would the president do to address the issue of corruption and fraud that is going on in washington, d.c.? dr. carson: ok, well, it is a very corrupt place.

we need to lift the hood of the engine that runs washington and the immediate response is to shut it down. [laughter] [applause] it is pretty horrible, but there is a lot of interrelationships and historical things that are going on in there. it is amazing to me the relationships that exist between different people and some people said to me, you could not possibly function in that environment because you do not know all the intricacies of washington, d.c. i tell you what i do know, i do know the constitution of the united states and i know how things are supposed to run. [applause] what i would do, i would get some people who do understand all of that garbage -- [laughter]

so that they can help disassemble it. i have spent decades in the private sector and corporate america, sitting on boards national, international corporations and finding out and figuring out and learning how things that work efficiently work. the united states government is not one of those things, however, we can change that and we can make it run like a business. i think that is very important because the american people deserve to have their money spent the right way. [applause] mr. luntz: the gentleman sitting right in the front three rows. everyone says, spend the money

the right way, what would be the programs you would cut? i want to rephrase that. what would a person cut who was in such a situation? [laughter] i am not going to get myself sued when this is done. dr. carson: i am a surgeon, so i know how to cut. [laughter] [applause] one of the things that has always created conflict in washington is pet programs and pet projects. you are always going to get into an issue if you say, i am cutting this but not this. therefore, i would propose an across-the-board cut in everything. you do it incrementally. i defy anyone to tell me that

there isn't 1%, 3%, 5% of fat in every single program. [applause] mr. luntz: let's go to microphone, two please. >> do think we should be able to defend ourselves? dr. carson: of course. are they kidding me? [applause] it brings up a larger issue, the military. you know, what is going on? our navy has the smallest number of vessels that we have had since 1917. recent congressional testimony the marine corps said half of the nondeployed units are not ready. the air force, look at the size

of how that shrunk. how we only have one carrier group in the persian gulf. we had to move it from where it was supporting the iraqi efforts over to yemen not long ago because we do not have the kind of support that we used to have and soon, that is being removed for several months. what kind of message is that sending to iran right now? all of this is absolute craziness. our military is shrinking while our enemies are growing and metastasizing. it seems like we are trying to destroy ourselves. what is going on? we've got to do better than that. [applause] mr. luntz: i've got to ask a follow-up question because you said it seems like we're trying to destroy ourselves. then why is this happening in washington? who is responsible?

dr. carson: i believe what has happened in washington is symptomatic of what has happened in our country. and that is we have become republicans and democrats instead of americans, therefore -- [applause] therefore, when stupid things are proposed -- [laughter] you know, we get behind the stupid person based on what our party is rather than looking at what is happening to our nation. [applause] mr. luntz: i'm not asking you whether you think he is stupid -- [laughter] but is what president obama is doing with iran and with our military -- is what he is doing stupid? dr. carson: well, let's not even talk about him, but let's talk

about -- [laughter] let's talk about general principles. when you go into some type of negotiation like that, there are certain things that have to be done. you have to be able to verify, verification is very important. and you look at this agreement where is it? accountability -- how can you be able to have accountability if you cannot verify and you must be able to enforce. if the first two do not happen you cannot do the last one. which means that basically, in terms of international negotiation, it is a wasteland. it is not going to work. you have to understand the basic principles of negotiation in order to come up with something that actually works. we have not disassembled their nuclear infrastructure. we are lifting economic sanctions which will pump tens of billions of dollars into the

world's number one exporter of terrorism. yes, we can demand inspections 24-7 but all that does is start the process with this foir tier panel that includes iranians and russians and by the time they say, ok, you can go inspect, they will have moved anything that needs to be moved. i mean, i think a third grader could come up with a better negotiation. [laughter] [applause] mr. luntz: going again to the back. microphone four. >> i was told i cannot ask it you had read any of steve's books, but aside from that, i would ask, with someone running for arguably the most important

job in the entire world, what deep down motivate somebody to take on that challenge? dr. carson: well, i could only answer that question for myself. obviously, i cannot answer that for anybody else. is that permissible in this setting? mr. luntz: but you are still speaking of what a president should have or should be thinking about. dr. carson: right. first of all, it was not something that would be on my bucket list. i had a long arduous career and there were 15,000 cases, and i was really looking forward to retirement. i would like to say. [applause] but that whole career surrounded children and saving their lives and improving the quality of their lives. when you look out there right

now and you see a nation that is being divided on every level, a war on women, racial wars, income wars, age wars, religious wars, a house divided against itself cannot stand. jesus christ himself said that. [applause] we are leaving that to the next generation. that motivates me. it motivates me to see what we are doing to their financial future. we all hear about the $18.4 trillion national debt and that is a problem. if you try to pay that back at the rate of $10 million a day, it would take to over 5000 years. we are putting that under facts, but it is worse than that, it is a fiscal gap. the amount of unfunded liability, social security medicare, medicaid, departmental

programs, all what we owe going forward projecting versus what we can expect to come in in terms of revenues from taxes and other sources. those two things should be close together and they are not. the gap right now is $211 trillion dollars. i mentioned that in my announcement speech and the next day a bunch of liberal media came out and said, see, we told you it was crazy -- he does not know anything about economics and a very next day, forks cannot out and said, 17 nobel laureates in economics and 1200 professors of economics agree with carson. [applause] well, that settled them down a little bit, but the fact of the matter is, this can destroy us and the only reason we can do it is because we are the reserve currency of the world. we have the ability to print

money. we are doing it inappropriately, our money is not tied to anything, and it does not have to be the gold standard, but we need to put personal responsibility back into our government as well as in our own lives. [applause] mr. luntz: what final thought would you like to leave them with? dr. carson: the final thought i would like to leave people with is that we, the american people, are not each other's enemies. the real enemies are those people who are trying to make us into enemies. if somebody does not agree with you, they are your mortal enemy. you can call them names, you can try to destroy their livelihood, you can try to destroy their life, where did that kind of thinking come from? as far as i'm concerned, that is pure unadulterated evil and we should not tolerate that in our society. [applause] mr. luntz: ladies and gentlemen,