illegal aliens, yet if you pick and choose which law you want to enforce, how can we enforce the laws and live by the laws? governor jindal: that is a great question. [applause] absolutely. so, you have got today, you've got the president saying he will pick and choose which immigration law he will enforce. here is the irony. they are violating federal law but they are getting federal grants for the very purpose of the law they are not enforcing. they are getting federal dollars to lock up people illegally and detain them but they are not doing that and they are still getting those grants. you've got the supreme court rewriting the law. the next president needs to not only overturn those executive orders but make it very clear -- this president says he has the power of the pen and the phone. if he has that, secure the border. don't talk about it. [applause] we don't need 1000 page bill. the only good of that is you can

stack up against the wall of the border, it might help. that's the only reason you get 1000 pages. [applause] when it comes to the sanctuary cities, cut off their federal funding. make sure ice is getting the folks when they detain them. they are not doing that today. there was a law that i support. you may have seen this. it was the response to a horrific murder in san francisco. someone has been deported and a calm back illegally, they should be convicted and it should be a five-year sentence. it should be a felony. there needs to be real consequences. we cannot have people picking and choosing the law. the left loves to say you have to follow the law except when they don't want to when it comes to immigration or obamacare. when it comes to laws they don't like. [applause] frank: the next president has to be able to work with democrats. it cannot just be your way or the highway. you've done a very good job of describing what is wrong with them. how are you going to work with them? why would they ever work with

you? governor jindal: it's a great question. three things. president reagan got tax cuts, reinvested in the pentagon, and won the cold war even though there was a democratic majority in congress. how did he do it question mark he did not compromise his principles. he went around congress to the american people and convince d them he was right. you've got to make structural changes in congress. not just democrats, i have trouble with some republicans, too. [applause] they will have trouble with me. i will not have trouble with them. i am not real worried about that. i think you need term limits. you do not need a permanent governing class and then they become lobbyists after they serve. we need a part-time legislature. what the founding fathers intended, they left their jobs left their factories to work part-time and came up back home to the same rules and regulations that apply for the rest of us. [applause]

frank: i'm going to ask you again -- can you name three issues where you will find it relatively easy to get something done with the democrats? governor jindal: in louisiana, and this is my third point -- in louisiana we did school choice , reform where the dollars follow the child instead of the child following the dollars. we trust parents. [applause] whether it's homeschooling or public schools, we trust parents. 50% of the senate democrats voted for that. a lot of children who are in the worst public schools today are in the poorest zip codes and that's not right. a lot of democrats understand that the teacher unions are standing in the way of those kids getting a great education. they will work with us on school choice. [applause] the next president has to stand with us and stop iran from

becoming a nuclear power and has to declare war on radical islamic terrorism by name. [applause] there are democrats that want to stand with israel. there are democrats, national security democrats that are america's first before we are democrats or republicans that will work with that. [applause] third, we've got to grow our private sector economy. this president has turned his back on energy and the keystone pipeline. there are private-sector unions that want good paying manufacturing and energy-related jobs in our country. there are democrats it will work with me or the next president to bring good paying jobs back to america by reining in the epa and cutting and lowering taxes. the last time we had central tax reform was back in the late 80's with ronald reagan. it was bipartisan. both parties have to give up their carveouts and special

interests. that means republicans and democrats. [applause] by the way, i say we should pay them on a perdiem basis. let me be clear. you pay them every day they stay outside of d.c., not when they go to d.c. [applause] the republicans are not going to like that either. frank: in the very back, back left, microphone three. >> hello, i want to thank you for being the first person to investigate planned parenthood louisiana. [applause] governor jindal: thank you. >> the question is not about that. it's about welfare abuse. i have been the recipient of that as a minor and it is helped me and helped feed my family and feed me as a child. nowadays, there is more people on welfare than ever and there is a lot of abuse. i wonder how you would handle that and handle people abusing the system? governor jindal: that's a great question. my wife says if you ask me what

i want for dinner, there's always three parts. i know i do a lot of that. there are three things i want to say in response to that. one one of the most, successful reforms in the 90's, bipartisan, was welfare reform. the idea was welfare should be temporary and help people get back on their feet and they should go to work or get an education. they need accountability there. [applause] this president has systematically worked to undermine those reforms by his actions which have weakened the reforms. we've got to get back to the work requirements and eligibility enforcement and we have got to stop -- this brings me to my second point -- we've got to change our culture. we've got to move away from a culture of dependency where we celebrate dependence and seven -- instead of celebrating getting good paying private sector jobs. [applause] give bernie sanders credit.

at least he is honest. at least he admits he's a socialist. [applause] hillary clinton and barack obama are no better. they are just not honest. they celebrate record high food stamps and record low participation rates in the workforce. they are changing the american dream. the most dangerous thing they are trying to do is changing the definition of america and we have to stop that or we will be europe. the third thing is i trust states. whether it's medicaid or other aspects of welfare, give global grants to the states and give them flexibility and give them accountability. i bet you if you secretly , surveyed democratic governors and said we will give you $.85 on the dollar for these programs and give you freedom from the red tape and bureaucracy, not just the republicans would take that. i bet there are democrats that would anonymously say absolutely. we can do a better job because the federal government wastes so much money in these programs.

there are legal reforms we can get back to the spirit of the 1990's with bipartisan welfare reform. we have got to fight to get our culture back. the american dream is about growth and opportunity. it's not about redistribution envy, or government dependence. and that is what is at stake. [applause] frank: ladies and gentlemen, governor jindal. that was a better ending. [indiscernible] governor jindal: thank you. i am sorry you are not feeling well. god bless you all and thank you very much. ♪>> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome back frank luntz and welcome to iowa, former pennsylvania u.s. senator rick santorum.

frank: how many would define you as living paycheck to paycheck. it's probably 1/3 of the people in this room. we have been surveys between 50 and 55%. one of your focal points has been working for blue-collar because you have felt that republicans have forgotten them. what answer do you have for those who are at middle or slightly below middle income so that they can get their vision of the american dream? mr. santorum: the bottom line is, if we're going to restore the bear country, we have to start making things in america again. that is the most important thing

we can do is to bring manufacturing back to this country. [applause] it created middle america. if you think about it, over the decade of the 1900s, america's middle income was robust and strong. when manufacturing declined in the 1970's and 1980's, so did the hollowing out of the middle of this entry. i travel around and you go to the small towns in iowa and what you find is a lot of the towns that are struggling are the towns that had the small manufacturing plants and in some cases big manufacturing plants that have left mess because america became uncompetitive because our tax rate is the highest corporate tax rate in the world. i will put forth a proposal that will get rid of the irs, number 1 -- [applause] and replace it with a simple flat tax that will apply a flat

rate tax and the tax rate will be the same on individual income, corporate income capital gains, dividends interest -- everybody pays the same rate of tax. no monkeying around from one group to another. [applause] you create a low tax rate and create expensing for businesses, you create a fair trade system -- i'm a free trader that i voted against trade bills and for trade bills. if the next president -- the next president should be someone who is willing to enforce our trade laws to make sure china is not dumping product into this country and we are able to trade fairly with other countries. [applause] frank: there is one aspect of your candidacy that is unique. you support, to some degree, in increase in the minimum wage.

why? mr. santorum: all of my ideas are centered around what we can do to help those who have been left behind by both political parties. if you look at the fact that wages have stagnated, not just over the last few years, but really for 74% of americans that don't have a college degree wages have been flat for 20 years. you look at what has happened and i talk about manufacturing as being a key and energy is another big key. we have to grow this economy and grow wages. what i propose in a minimum wage is $.50 per hour over the next three years. people ask why i do that. what percentage of americans by the federal minimum wage? less than 1%, nobody. my feeling was if you are -- this was talking to folks earlier -- if you're going to get a partisan support and you will need it, bobby jindal was just talking about welfare reform. we've got 70 votes in the united

states senate and my lead that bill. did we get everything we wanted? we gave some things that the other side wanted that they thought were important but we got ink we thought were more important. what we got was a work requirement for welfare benefits. that was the number one thing we wanted and we got it and it cut welfare rolls and have within five years. [applause] if you want to get bipartisan bills, you have to have things that will be supported by both sides. what i am putting forward is i will put forward a modest increase in the minimum wage and you give us any rid of the irs and cutting taxes and give us regulatory reform that we need to get that and you give us immigration reform. this is another separating out what everybody else is talking about. there are some people talking on immigration. if you look at the numbers usa which is the only pro-worker group out there that measures how people are doing on immigration what their policies are -- there is only one candidate in this race who has

an a rating with numbers usa and he is on stage right now in ames, iowa. [applause] what i talk about there is it's not just toughening up the border. i introduced a security bill back in 20 -- 2006 to put up fencing and the folks on the border to make sure the border will be safe and secure. it's also about legal immigration. over the last 20 years, we have seen 35 million people come into this country legally and illegally combined. over 10% of the population of this country has come in over the last 20 years. we have more people living in this country who are -- were not born here than any time in history this country. you can say that's a good or bad thing. it can be good or bad but we have to look at what is in the best interest of american workers? what will we do to get those salaries up? we see the vast majority of the people coming into this country are unskilled workers competing to keep wages down.

what i'm proposing is we need to hold the line and stop illegal immigration but also reduce illegal immigration of unskilled workers by 25% so we can bring wages up in this country and that will make a change. [applause] frank: we will go to questions for senator santorum in a moment. why is it that working-class americans seem to oppose conservatism? in every single election? they seem to be hostile to the republican party. there is a problem there. what is it? mr. santorum: i wrote a book last year. one of the reasons i wrote the book is at the end of the last campaign, i ran four years ago you may remember -- at the in of the last campaign i was showed a survey by one of the mitt romney pollsters. he should me a survey from the last state that was supposed to be running in before he dropped out. they said we saw this in every single state -- we started to

ask the question because we saw the exit polls always had you running way lower than what the final number was. he showed me the survey and he said i started asking the question not only who you will vote for but when are you planning to vote. this state happened to be pennsylvania and if you're going to go before noon, i was winning before 5:00. if you voted between noon and 5:00 i was trailing by four. if you voted after 5:00, i was up by 21. who votes after 5:00? we were connected to working men and women because we were talking about them. we're not just talking about them like people come up on stage and they say we will help the working class. we had policies and plans. when you paint a picture of the future of our country and talk about how we will get people back to work, they are concrete ideas that people can say oh, i see me in that picture. the problem with the republican party -- i will give you an example during the convention in 2012 -- i was privileged to

speak at that convention on tuesday night and about 1.5 hours before he spoke him i was backstage and these people came out before me. they were small business people. they were all cheering and they had placards at the convention hall saying " we built that." they were sticking it to obama by saying small business did not create on jobs. we sent small business person after small business person out there for one hour talking about how they built their business. we did not send a single worker on stage. not one. why would they think we are for them? why would they think we care about what they are going through? we never talk about it and we don't put programs together and policies together that directly impact them. the reason i was the only -- i think the only person in this race to ever win in a presidential year in a state that is a blue state that the president republican nominee lost and so on the election.

i know there is a lot of folks in this race for governor's who are running in nonpresidential years. that's all well and good. the bottom line is, the presidential poll, the presidential turnout is different than off your elections. iran in that year. george bush lost my state by five and i want to buy for because i connected with workers out there in the state of pennsylvania. if we are going to win, that's what we will have to do. frank: let's go to a question front left. >> my question is on the nsa spying and the role of the federal government. i was once asked why hillary clinton when bill was running for office -- what do i want out of the federal government? i would tell you that i want the

federal government to get the hell out of my life and my business and let freedom ring in this country. i want to know what you will do to keep these people out of our lives so that we as decent people and employees and employers can make a change in this country before my kids and grandkids have no place to live. [applause] 2 one of the things mr. santorum: that i plan to do -- i will take every single regulation that has been passed a president obama, everything he has done with a pen and a phone we can repeal with a pen and a phone the first day i'm in office. every job killing regulation every single one, will be gone day one. it will be changed over the course of our ministries and. [applause] -- of our administration. frank: i propose number three, back left.

>> good evening, senator. the number one cause of income inequality in america's whether children are raised in families with a married mother and father. what can the next president due to promote marriage? mr. santorum: i wrote the book 10 years ago and signed a couple of copies today. there was a book written called " it takes a village." you might remember that. a few years after that, i published a book called "it takes a family" because that's what it really takes to raise a child in america. [applause] when i'm out there talking about what we will do to get the middle of america and the american dream to be real for people again, i go out and talk about twqo books that are not mine. one is written by robert putnam and the other is written by charles murray, libertarian sociologist. they came to the same

conclusion. the principal problem of people being able to rise in america is the breakdown of the family. i know there is a lot of people you will hear from but no one can hold a candle to us and what we have done to try to help the institution of marriage and save and strengthen the american family in america. that will be our number one priority. what does that mean? that means that instead of spending your bully pulpit time and instead of spending the u have to start a national dialogue on global warming, we will spend it on trying to raise and nurture children in healthy, happy families. [applause] frank: that has come up several times today. is that all there is? is that enough? you said the next president could use the bully pulpit or is there anything else? mr. santorum: you mean helping the families? frank: helping the families,

what's up an ex-president do? mr. santorum: let me explain what i mean. i use an example of an organization called first things first in chattanooga tennessee. they realized they have the highest divorce and out of wedlock birth rates and has children going up just growing up without a father and a home they did something about it as a community. they did not pass a single government law. they rallied the churches and the schools and the businesses and community groups and they came together to emphasize the importance of marriage and the importance of staying together. businesses offered benefits. businesses said they provide marriage counseling is a benefit because of that program. if you think about the importance of family, not just for the health of family and the health of children, but for the health of our economy, we cannot have a healthy economy unless we have healthy families. that's because families are the

smallest of the small businesses in america. every family is a little small business and we are the broken or not doing well, we will not have a strong economy. if you can have a president that says to all the little corporations, we need to have as your focus supporting and strengthening people in your workplace with their families and we need to say to schools to talk about the importance of marriage and the importance of marriage and the responsibility of fathers. yes, that is a big part of it. it's not anything government does that will fix big problems like that. it's what you do in american what you are incentivized and put on your hard to make a difference. the second thing i would say is there is something the government can do. i was in wisconsin four years ago and told by a state senator that if you are a single mom and have two children and you are earning $15,000 per year, you're eligible for $38,500 in welfare. if you get married, you lose it. the federal government, the

state government is the principal impediment for single mothers who want to raise their children with a father, not to marry the father of their children or someone else who wants to be that child's father. [applause] we have to stop the federal government from breaking up amalie's whether it's our welfare laws or our tax code and that will be a high priority. frank: is there a question over here? [applause] top right. >> yes, i would like to ask if you are or anyone in your family is connected to the controversial jesuits in the catholic church? mr. santorum: the jesuits -- the position jesuit. jeff the pope is a jesuit. they have been around for a few centuries. i'm not directly connected with them. that's the answer. frank: i want to ask you a

personal question. i have asked various leaders with their relationship is to god. i want you to be candid with me. is there a time you ever cursed god? rick santorum: in the real sense of cursing god, no. did i ever lose my temper and say something, of course. i have been blessed. i had a seat of faith planted. i have told how i came to the u.s. senate and found the lord. [applause] senator santorum: most people don't think he lives there but he does. the answer is, i do feel i have been blessed my entire life.

even though i can't say i have had an easy life. i have always felt the seed planted by my mother and other about the importance of faith and relationship jesus christ, there is no room for despair. we have lost a child to read we have a disabled child permit we have had personal tragedies. as disheartened as i can be, as angry as i am, all things will work out for good if you hold on to that faith and belief. that is what he promises us. [applause] senator santorum -- >> i recently became aware that

large amounts of money have been taken away from the teamsters who are retiring. they have been notified will start september. i saw a note look of expenditures by their retirement money. they tried to go to the railroads first. these guys were involved but they stopped us to read they have lots of other retirees in mind after that. what can and would he done in a republican presidency? senator santorum: i apologize, i am not familiar with what you are's the teamsters with what you are speaking up. if the teamsters have a private

pension fund come the government has no right to take it. that would not happen under a republican president. frank: what should be the role of unions? senator santorum: i believe in free markets. what we are not going to do is stacked the deck in favor of unions and that is what the president has tried to do and we are not going to do that. frank: front right. >> i am concerned about the number of candidates running in the republican party. my concern is, whoever comes out on top, can we rally around that person? i think the democrats are having a heyday. it is going to divide the

republican vote again. i was i could say i am as proud of the republicans as i was in the past. is there a way to bring continuity with that? i would charge whoever is running, whoever is the candidate of choice, make that arson responsible to his commitment he has made to us on the campaign trails. [applause] senator santorum: having gone through this process before, number one, i spent a little time in the back. all reporters want me to do is beat up on one of the candidates. i have decided, having gone through a race for years ago where a super pac and others beat up on us, it is fine to disagree on an issue. i will comment on a position of an issue. but i will stop the fracture

site of republicans beating up on each other and questioning their integrity. [applause] you can have a disagreement on policy, and you should and we well. immigration. taxes. those are all fine. but when people come up here and start personally assailing people, that is where animosity builds and division happens. that is where it is hard to bring people back together again. i believe a civility pledge among republicans is something i really do believe in. it is something i am hopeful the rnc and others will continue to push. i would make the argument, sometimes the rnc is not particularly civil. they represent the establishment. they try to beat up conservative candidates. your point is valid. the second thing is, it is

expected for conservatives to join if a moderate is nominated but that is not always the case when a conservative is elected. [applause] senator santorum: i would like to hear from all the big super pac donors. the same question they ask conservatives. will you go along with whoever is the nominee. if the answer is no, they should let the people elect whoever they want to elect. frank: any final words of wisdom, summary from what you see and have heard? where you are going to? senator santorum: if you want to win this election, it has proven

to be the most important of our lifetime. we have not had a chance to talk about the culture. bottom line, our culture is crumbling. most of the folks are running for president are running for the hills. very few are willing to stand up and white. it is getting so toxic out there. we need to have a leader willing to stand and fight for the principles that made our country great. if we don't, what is the point of winning? if we don't have a leader that is willing to win so america can win. if you want to win, we have to run those states that run through the heart of iowa through pennsylvania. if we don't win those states which we have not in winning, we will not be very successful in this election. the only way we are going to win those states is not turning out more conservatives. look at the numbers. that is not it. it is turning out voters who stayed home last time because they don't think either party

gives a look about them. -- lick about them. [applause] senator santorum: that means we have to have a narrative. when we paint the picture of the future of america, include them in the narrative. we will win the election and more portly, america is going to win. frank: ladies and gentlemen, rick santorum. [applause]

welcome him back to the le >> i like the shoes. >> i almost got through -- i like them. frank: now substance. my first question, you couldn't possibly have thought, back in january, you would go on to-3% in the polls to being the front runner in iowa.

what happened? you are not the most funded candidate. you have been here a fair amount read what happened? governor walker: in january, the media thought, this guys maybe not as charismatic. he doesn't have all this money. we came here to iowa, des moines, and spoke with congressman king. there were a lot of people who helped us out during the recall a couple of years ago. thanks. [applause] governor walker: a lot of people admired what we had done just across the mississippi. that we had taken on the big government special interest. done all the different things we had done from social issues to economic and fiscal issues. but wondered if this guy is up for a national election.

we gave a speech where i talked like i talked. told the story of what we did like i would ask home in wisconsin. people said, maybe this guy can break through and be a legitimate candidate. i think people are looking for someone who can write and win. we fought and won. [applause] frank: i want specific definitions. for several policies where there has been suggestion you are on different sides -- how far are you willing to fight for the sanctity of marriage? governor walker: i have had this opinion for 20 years. i believe it is between a man and woman. last year as governor, i joined with the attorney general and defended it the federal courts system.

when the decision came out last month, i said, i was frustrated five unelected jurists got to tell people state by state what they could do. i believe we should support a constitutional amendment to allow states to do whatever they see fit. in my state, we did one man and woman and i support that. [applause] governor walker: i also believe it is a part of that and from day one we have a president who is willing to fight to support religious freedoms in this country. that is something inherent already in the constitution, something i have fought for in my state, and something the next president should fight for. it is not freedom from religion, it is freedom of religion. we should have the right to

practice our religious freedoms in this country. frank: would you support the indiana legislation in wisconsin? governor walker: it is even better in wisconsin. we have it in the state's constitution. we have lived just fine with it. i support our constitution. i believe america -- think about it. roger williams. william penn came to pennsylvania largely because of religious persecution. this is why the founders came to these united states. to form a more perfect nation. part of it was because of religious persecution. that is something we should never lose sight of. protecting religious liberties. [applause]

frank: immigration. you have been accused of taking different points of view by some of the people in the front three rows here. are they correct? have you been consistent over time? and they just don't understand? governor walker: as a governor i don't deal with it. it has not been a heavy concern. i said earlier this year, i sat down and pointed out, i said this is an issue where i have changed somewhat. i went to the border. i flew in the air. i went on the ground. i talked to people and others along the border. i listened to americans across this country. i looked at how messed up the president has dealt with the issue.

last fall, i was one of the first governors to join the federal government lawsuit against the president. i believe immigration is simple. secure the borders. uphold the law. i believe we need a legal immigration system that gives priority to the impact on american working families, their wages, in a way that will improve the american economy. [applause] frank: what happens to the 11 million people who are here? governor walker: that is where the media has it backwards. you can even begin to talk about it until you secure the border. i do not believe in amnesty. when i went to the border, it was eye-opening. being there, not just being in the air and on the ground, but talking to professionals and even some federal folks there. there are international criminal organizations penetrating the southern border.

not just drug cartels, they are pushing drugs, firearms. human traffic. not just people coming across to work. we are talking horrific examples of human trafficking. if this was happening in our water-based ports on the east or west coast, we would be sending the coast guard is not the u.s. navy. the federal government needs to step up and security borders. if israel can put up a 500 mile fence and have the technology and personnel to keep it safe, so much so that they have a 90% reduction in terrorism, there is no reason that great u.s. can't secure its southern border once and for all. [applause] frank: your father was a pastor. governor walker: he retired.

all of us are called a minister in one form or another. frank: what is your relationship with god? governor walker: jesus christ, he is my lord and savior. that defines everything to not just who i am as an elected official, who i am as a father and friend. how i interact with people. that doesn't mean i have a list like the 10 commandments of what to do on every single issue. it defines not just who i am and what i believe in, but how i treat others. i hope people saw, even at the height when i had 100,000 protesters occupied our capital, and i had death threats, we did not respond in kind. that in part was driven by our faith. [applause] frank: back left.

>> governor walker, you are known as a pro-life champion due to defunding planned parenthood in your home state. thank you for that. that being said, early this week, the planned parenthood baby parts trafficking video went viral. it was a top trending topic. you finally posted something yesterday, four days after the release of the video. this, combined with your hiring of pro-choice staff members, is getting people like me reason for concern for you and your campaign. why did it take you so long and why were you playing it safe and not hitting a home run on this topic? governor walker: simple --actions speak louder than

words. a lot of people tell you they are going to fight for things. i have actually won. i defunded planned parenthood in my own state when none of these videos came out. i did not have a cover of a video to make the case for why planned parenthood needed to be defunded. i knew the right thing was to take it away from an organization that supported death and support women's health. i defended that without the cover. long before i would have even dreamed of being a presidential candidate. there are a lot of people that come on stages like this that make great speeches about how they are going to fight to defund planned parenthood. i have actually done it and i will continue to be a pro-life president. [applause]

frank: microphone number two. >> my question is, what do you believe the u.s. relationship with israel should be looking ahead? governor walker: where it should be, and where it will be if i am president, we should acknowledge israel as an ally. and treat israel as an ally. that means no daylight -- [applause] governor walker: that means absolutely no daylight. when i was in israel, i didn't just meet with prime minister netanyahu. i met with the opposition leader as well. it was important to let the people of israel know, if i were elected, there would be no gap. there would be no daylight between the u.s. and israel. that is important not just for israel, but for the u.s. around the world. the obama-clinton doctrine of leading from behind puts us in

harms way, not only in the middle east, sends a signal all with russia in europe and the ukraine. even to the point of what we see in the south china sea with china and aggressive actions in international waters. all of these things i believe are tying us together. when we backed away from our allies, it sends a signal to allies to push back. >> we have executive people who are not following the law or the constitution. we also have judges who are citing sharia law and international law in their decisions. why is it that these people are not brought to justice? why are they not arrested? why are not these justices impeached?

that is my question. [applause] scott walker: i can tell you the type of judges and justices i would put on the bench. because i have done it. i made appointments to the circuit court and court of appeals. i have not yet made a supreme court appointment in my state but i have simple criteria. men and women of integrity solid credentials with the law. but most importantly i want individuals who understand the sole role of the judiciary at any level particularly at the highest level at federal courts, is to uphold the constitution of the united states and those laws enacted under it. no more, no less. those are the sorts of judge and justices i will appoint. [applause] frank: microphone, front right. >> hello, governor. my question is for all

candidates, present and future. america is beautiful. we have 300 plus million people. we all have different value systems and backgrounds, etc. my fear is the lobbyists control our population. -- politicians. and the people are not represented. my question is this. i am a little nervous. >> that is all right, you are doing fine. >> i would ask this question to you and all future politicians. can we outlaw lobbyists? [applause] governor walker: one of the ideas i have that does not go quite to that point but gets to the heart of what you are getting at. i started out yesterday in a 99 county tour. i am doing the full grassley.

just like senator reynolds. [applause] : -- governor walker: we are doing all 99 counties. we have a winnebago. i was in council bluffs and sioux city earlier. cedar rapids yesterday. part of what i talked about earlier was saying when i talk about the three pillars of our campaign. reform, growth, safety. we talk about reform, one of the things we did in wisconsin was to take power out of the hands of big government special interests" it firmly -- and put it firmly into the hands of taxpayers. the economy is better. fewer unemployed. balanced budget. schools are better. sorts of good things in that regard. i think the parallel nationally, federal government, moved to take power out of washington. and send it back to the states and in many cases the cities so it gets as close to the people as possible.

the reason is when you do that it it is more effective, more efficient. more accountable. the classic example of this is i think by taking money from education and sending it back to des moines or your local schools, the benefit is it gets rid of all of the controversy over, and core or the nationwide -- over common core or the nationwide school board. i don't want that. i want the money back to local schools where parents can make that decision. you are better to hold your neighbors accountable on your local school board and city council and county board, then you can by dealing with people in washington. i think that will help the heart of your problem. [applause] frank: your campaign has focused, probably more than any of them, on hard-working taxpayer risk. -- taxpayers. what does that mean? what are the policies that flow from that? governor walker: for me, that

means lowering the tax burden. i think a good start would be to look at what president reagan did in 1986 when i was in high school. having to w -- two lower margin rates. that is sometimes called the laffer curve. i talk about buying clothes kohls. you lower rates, broaden the base. there is a greater value and people participate in the economy. today, instead of the laffer curve, i call it the kohls curve. but back in the 80's, it worked under ronald reagan. lowering the marginal tax rate and reforming the tax. to move forward, we should look back at something like that that worked effectively. we need to lower the burden on job creators so we can bring jobs back from overseas and put americans back to work. [applause]

>> front left, agree phone one. -- microphone one. >> hello, mr. walker. an honor to speak with you. i think this current administration has shown us how important it is to pick a good running mate. [laughter] >> i'm curious which standard he would hold your running mate to. frank: the way you should answer it is what should the next presidential -- i do not know how to do this. governor walker: one, it is little presumptuous. i am not even a week into the campaign to pick who will be on the ticket. if, god willing, i am the melanie to be president, -- nominee to be president, first and foremost, kind of like i talked about the judicial picks, i'm going to pick someone qualified to be president of the

united states. because if god forbid, the number one responsibility is to stand and be the president to . i'm not going to pick somebody for political reasons. they need to be equipped and qualified to be president. i want somebody who shares my values. who understands my understanding about american values in this country. [applause] frank: i was in cedar rapids and i went to want to watch a number of democrats campaign in ohio -- met in ohio, and iowa over the last couple of weeks. [laughter] frank: and some of them choose to make fun of you. for the fact that you did not graduate from a four-year university. that you stopped toward the end. not that they were criticizing you but they were trying to poke at you. what do you say to them? governor walker: i would say hey, you know what, if they want

to waste their time on that, it is simple for me. like a lot of people across america, i left in my senior year to work for the american red cross. i left because i had a job offer, not a degree. a lot of my friends had degrees and no job offers. [applause] governor walker: i thought, i am pretty smart -- [applause] governor walker: admittedly, i thought along the way, i will go back and take a credit here and there. got into the job, wanted to make a good impression. got into the american red cross. early on, we did a lot of work during desert storm and desert shield and 91 -- in 91 with military families. did marketing and development. then i met the love of my life in april of 1992. proposed to her by august. by february 6 of next year, we were married. a year later we have matthew and alex. all your time and money goes to

your family. here i sit. i hope people will judge me, just like somebody would harder to run a business, and that is -- you would harder to run a business, and that is to -- hire to run a business and that is to look at what i have done. look at the job they have done before. [applause] governor walker: i just want to qualify that. because we have two boys in college. i want them to finish college. -college -- i think college is a good thing. if you want a career that requires a college degree, i think that is great. i also hope we send a message to those who wanted career that -- want a career that requires a two-year degree, that those are just as wonderful. [applause] frank: one more. does barack obama or hillary clinton understand hard-working taxpayers? governor walker: they don't act

like it. i mean, they certainly do not act like it. i think, to me, there is such a contrast out there. i think barack obama, president obama, he's got the title, i'm going to give him that. president obama, even know i don't agree with him. hillary clinton, they believe you grow the economy by growing washington. i believe you grow it by helping hard-working people in the cities and towns and villages across this country. the government doesn't create jobs, people create jobs. and i believe, you know, the measure of success for someone like the current president and hillary clinton, they measure the success of government by how many people are dependent on it. i measure it by how many people are no longer dependent on the government. [applause] frank: you are in the fortunate position of getting the last word. [laughter]

frank: what do you want to leave them with? governor walker: thank you -- first off, thank you for sticking around. i know it has been a long day. you have heard a lot of great people. i have said it all through the day and all through this week, we are blessed to have some outstanding republicans running for president. i am honored to be one of them. [applause] governor walker: and so you will not hear me speak ill of any of them. i made one exception today, i said i will not comment on candidates or policy. the exception i made is when someone goes personal, and attacks an american hero, you may agree or disagree with his politics, but john mccain is an american hero and i will defend him and any other veteran who has been a prisoner of war. [applause] governor walker: having said that, i am not going to get into other candidates and issues. i'm going to talk about what i am for, not what i am against.

and i think the american people want that. but there is a difference in this race. you will hear more in the coming days. there are really two groups. there are fighters and there are winners. there are fighters who fought the good fight time and time again in washington, and god bless them for doing it. but they have yet to win the fights on issues after issues. then there are winners, who have won and re-won elections, but they have not taken on the relevant fights. you are looking for someone who can do both. i am the only one out there. i have fought and i have one, a -- won, not just winning three elections in a state without a republican since 1984. we have actually won the battles from lowering taxes to defunding planned parenthood to passing the castle doctrine, passing right to work. you name a common sense conservative reform and we have fought for it just across the mississippi in a blue state.

if we can fight and win and those reforms can work there they can work anywhere in america. and if that is what you want and the next president, -- want in the next president someone , who will fight and win for you, i am your guy. i ask for your vote. frank: governor scott walker. governor walker: thanks. [applause] >> great>> please welcome to iowa to the 2015 family leadership summit, u.s. senator marco rubio. [applause]

marco >> the question you should do is count the number of times he coughs and i cough. i promise -- [coughing] [laughter] i'm supposed to do the jokes here. if we can turn the house lights up. every speaker will begin with a question from the audience. i want the cameras to turn on you. i'm going to ask you two simple questions. how many of you are better off today than your parents were when they were your age? raise your hands? almost everybody. be honest with me. how many of you believe your

children will be better off than you when they are your age? if the reporters can look around you. almost no hands are up. we have lost faith in the future. polling is very pessimistic. the most optimistic people are first generation immigrants. you know something about immigration policy. what did you learn from that experience and what advice would you give them? marco rubio: people want it to work for america. i don't think we can make progress until we get it under control. that is the biggest lesson. people are ready to be reasonable about it and modernize our system. they want to make sure that the problem we have now of the rampant out-of-control illegal immigration is brought under control and never happens again. they don't believe that it is and they don't trust this president to do it.

there's two steps. we have to secure our border. not just the border with mexico. we have to secure our airports and seaports. 40% of the people in this country illegally come legally and overstate a visa. we only log you in, we don't log you out. that's like having a hotel when you only check in and don't check out. we need electronic verification for employers. we have to create a system where employers can reliably be expected and demanded to check and ensure the people they are hiring are not legally here. if you do those two things, you will bring illegal immigration under control. >> do you agree with him? [applause] i don't want -- louder? we heard you the first time. [laughter] the gentleman screaming, i would do anything for your voice right now. [laughter]

i want to invite you, if there is something you agree with, it is ok to applaud. i want to make sure we are respectful of people. my final question, is washington capable of solving it? or is washington so broken that we will talk about immigration year after year? secretary carter: --mr. rubio: that's up to our leaders. the people have to be committed the idea that our job is to solve problems, not just give speeches about them. not just on immigration, on our economy, national security -- america is not the filling its potential as a country. we are a great country. we can be even greater than we are today. that is the good news. bad news, we are not doing it. these are self-inflicted wounds. we are a nation with a government that refuses to solve our problems. or has been unable to for longer than a decade. eventually, that question, if our children are not better off, it's because we did not do it

took to ensure that they are better off. it was frustrating for seven years in the senate as harry reid chose to do nothing. he chose to do nothing. the senate did not do a thing. we face a situation where even if we make progress, the other the president will veto things. he's more committed to doing things by executive order than the proper channels of division of powers that the constitution gives us. [applause] that is why this election is important. >> i would be remiss if i did not ask you, what do you do with the 11 million who are here now. mr. rubio: it is difficult. secure the border. you have to modernize legal immigration. every year, the united states admits one million human beings to united states permanently. they come here on the basis of

whether or not they have a relative living care. it cannot be on the basis of having a relative -- it has to be on the basis of what you bring to the country. are you coming to be an american or live in america? [applause] i think if we do those two things, the vast majority of americans will be very reasonable with someone who has been here for 15 years, will will pay taxes, pay a fine for a work permit -- i don't think you can get to that point until we've done the other two things. i know we cannot get to that point having gone through this the last couple of years. >> if people have a question for marco rubio, there is a microphone over here and over there. now is the chance to go to the microphones if you want to ask a question. something that is going to

happen, the iranian treaty. you are against it. what likelihood you have or preventing it? mr. rubio: it depends on whether we are able to convince 14 democrats to vote against it. there are plenty of reasons. i will give you three. the inspection requirements are a complete sham. it sounds almost like an arbitration panel for a contract between two companies. we have to ask -- no american inspectors are allowed into iran. if we want to inspect the facility in iran, we have to ask for permission from iran. if iran says no, it goes through a complicated 24 day appeal process. if that doesn't work, it has to be moved to the foreign ministers and then ends up at the un security council. it can be well over 50 days. guess what happens after 50 days. they've cleaned up the site you wanted to go see in the first place.

if they refuse to allow you to inspect, the consequences are iran walks away from the deal. it had better be a big violation. here is the most outrageous thing. it says we have to help iran develop technical abilities, economic, trade, manufacturing -- we have to help iran become a more powerful. it requires us to do that. it requires us to help iran fight against sabotage that might exist against a nuclear program. the only people trying to sabotage it are our allies. we are now required to work against countries like israel on behalf of iran. we now have multiple american hostages that are completely untouched. they can build a long-range rockets. all these requirements go away

in 15 years. other than that, i guess it's good. [laughter] >> if it's that bad, why would this president do this? mr. rubio: he wants a legacy. he wants to build exhibits for his presidential library. barack obama opened up america to iran and the next president blew it. barack obama created piece in our time. it's absurd and our allies know it's absurd. [applause] we live in a world where we treat the ayatollah in iran with more respect than the prime minister of the only real american, free enterprise democracy in the middle east the state of israel. [applause] frank luntz: we are going to go to microphone over there. >> i was wondering if you are willing to call the terrorism we have been facing in our country

-- countries, how you keep it from plaguing our youth? rubio: that is what it is. it is not radical terrorism, it is radical islamic terrorists. [applause] [cheering] rubio: and i want to to know why it is there for us to call it that. it is not fair to the non-radical muslims. the first thing, we have to defeat the ideology. we have to defeat it online. we have the capability in this country to go after them. why did they have a twitter account? why do we allow isis to have these online social media networks? we have the ability to take them down. let's do it. we have to target to them militarily in the safe havens. isis does not exist unless they have a place to operate from. that is why we need to increase

airstrikes. that is why we need to increase working with our allies in the region to eliminate and take away from radical jihadists the safe havens and the operating space they need to exist. we have to show the world, and especially these youngsters that are being radicalized, that isis is not an unbeatable, inevitable power. isis is someone we can humiliate. we need to broadcast and advertise to the world that we contribute them. we can win it against radical jihadists, but we are not to doing that now. [applause] frank luntz: microphone two. >> thank you for coming today. regarding global warming climate change, and the epa, how do you feel the obama administration has handled this? is it hurting jobs, etc.? rubio: they absolutely are hurting us.

the epa now was to regulate everything. every waterway in the country. that is number one. number two is, i think it is important for us to protect the natural environment. i know no one who wants water to be poisoned. i know no one who wants to be unbreathable. i also know no one wants to see single mothers having to pay $100 a month more and a utility bill. i know of no one who wants to make the price of food more expensive. and that is what we are going to get different go forward on this radical environmental agenda. i believe it is possible to fully utilize our energy resources in this country and protect our natural environment. the job of policymakers is to do that. that is what my administration will be about. [applause] frank luntz: let's go to microphone number four back there. >> senator rubio, my question to you is our national debt is over $18 trillion.

what steps would you take to reduce it? mr. rubio: the first step would be too expect of people why we have a national debt. it is not foreign aid, less than 1% of our budget. it is not food stamps and welfare. there is abuse and fraud in those programs, and that needs to be under control. it is not military spending. which we are in this rating and leaving our children of our nation vulnerable to attack. the way social security and medicare are currently structured for future generations. i'm from florida. you may not know this, but there are millions of people in florida on medicare and social security. [laughter] one of them is my mother. let me just say, she is eight decades plus four years. [laughter] but i recognize that an order

for us to save medicare and social security, it will not be able to work the same way for me as it did for her. my generation and people younger than me need to accept that if we want to balance our budget, leave medical care and social security the way it is now, and save those programs for the future, our benefits won't grow as fast as our parents' social security grew, and our medicare may not be a plan from the government. it might be money we get every month to buy a plan for ourselves on the private market, somewhat to the way medicare advantage works now. that is not too much to ask of americans my age in order to save medicare and social security the way it is for our parents, balance our budget, to prevent a debt crisis for our nation. [applause] frank luntz: one second, hold on. how old are you? mr. rubio: i am 44, but i feel 45 today. [laughter]

frank luntz: you have been in the senate for one term. you are very articulate. you know the issues pretty well. people have compared you to other individuals, the single biggest knock on you is that those who have talked about to have compared you to other conservative leaders who have suggested that you haven't been around long enough. mr. rubio: here is the truth, i haven't lived as long as some of the other people running. [laughter] but i do think anybody running for president understands what life is like for people than i do. i'm glad people like hillary clinton talk about people living paycheck to paycheck. my parents did. i loved listening to the democrats last night in the thing, what are they do? frank luntz: cedar rapids. mr. rubio: yeah, it wasn't here. and i'm sure none of your went but i watched some of it last night. oh, you are there. good. i never trust him anyway.

[laughter] i learned a new word, comrade. [laughter] i love listening to them talk about people with student loan debt. i have student loan debt. up until four years ago. and the other point i would make is, it is true, there are people running that have a lot more experience than i do on issues we faced 18 years ago. but no one running has more experience on the issues that we face right now, today, with a world that is more dangerous than ever and an economy that is changing faster than ever since the industrial revolution. [applause] frank luntz: microphone one. >> if you were elected president today, what specifically would you do to move our country forward? mr. rubio: there is a number of things we need to do, but i want to focus on three. frank luntz: this is a summit,

rather than a traditional political partisan event. so i just want to -- if -- the next president should -- yes, who are the lawyers and here? raise your hand. get out. [laughter] mr. rubio: but i'm recovering. so the next president needs to do three things. the first thing, we had to become the best place in the world to create the best paying jobs of the 21st century. we have to compete with dozens of other countries. we need a tax code, limited regulations, and a balanced budget that will allow us to be the best country in the world to provide the best paying jobs. number two, we had to revolutionize what higher education means. we cannot afford to graduate people with a mountain of loans for a degree that doesn't lead to jobs. how many greek philosophers do we really need in america?

we shouldn't be requiring people to borrow money to pay for that. we have to have more vocational education and we have to create flexible higher education programs that are available for people that are stuck in low-wage jobs, but have to work full-time and raise a family. the thing is, we have the rain -- we have to remain the most powerful nation on earth. [applause] and that is why we have to rebuild our defenses, rebuild our foreign policy and the trust our allies have it us, and strengthen family life in america. you cannot have a strong country without strong families. and you can't have strong families without empowered marriages and empowered parents. [applause] frank luntz: this program is the family leader. you said strength in families. do you really think there is a role from washington, dc in strengthening families?

mr. rubio: not the primary role. the primary role is on each of us individually as a mother, father, husband, wife, member of the community. but we should not have a good -- government that discourages it. we have safety net programs that discourage people from getting married. we deny people the right to put their kids in a school of choice. and we have an attorney general general and a supreme court that will not stand up for the rights of every american family to instill in their children traditional values without being persecuted or discriminated against a government or by society. [applause] [cheering] frank luntz: microphone two. >> i have a question on the recent controversy in the news about methods used in cia interrogation sites regarding al qaeda and what not.

how do you feel about that in regards to obama terminating that within 48 hours of presidency? mr. rubio: well, interrogations have not been used in that method in a long time and we are not going to go back to those methods. let me say this. there are dangerous people on this planet. every single day, they plot to kill as many americans as possible. they work actively to do it. if we ever get our hands on people like that, and we are able to gather intelligence from them that allows us to prevent another attack, we should do everything within our legal power to try and access that information. treating them as enemy combatants, the way you would as an enemy in the field. [applause] and the one thing we should not do is advertise what are interrogation methods are. do you know why? let me just -- let me explain why. let me tell you i don't advertise.

because then you allow these terrorists to practice. you allow them to prepare on how to resist it. so really, right now, it is not an issue. this president is not arresting any terrorists anymore. frank luntz: that is a pretty strong statement. mr. rubio: which one? [laughter] frank luntz: the president -- mr. rubio: he is not. they want to close guantanamo. frank luntz: are you saying that this administration has gone soft on terrorism? mr. rubio: you know what they do not? this is even more humane now. they just kill them with a drone, as opposed to trying to capture as many people as we can and gather intelligence from them. we have lost intelligence in the process. the truth is, there will hours be a role to play in confronting the enemy and eliminating them but we also need to find the ability to remove people from the battlefield. when you are talking about closing guantanamo, then what you're saying is we are no

longer tied together actionable intelligence. frank luntz: is barack obama soft on terrorism? mr. rubio: barack obama is confused about global terrorism because -- he won't call it that, number one. i am sure he is against it. i know that he is, but he won't call it what it is that he will confront it in a meaningful way. so we are conducting 11 first airstrikes a day. that is not american power. what is that? it is not an effective way -- he told us he you have ago that isis was a jv team. today, isis is located in libya, other nations in north africa, they just blew up in egyptian ship yesterday. they are increasingly active in lebanon. they are probably deeply embedded in refugee camps in syria. they are starting to pop up in other areas.

they are growing. they are spreading. somehow, our tactics remain the same a year later. no real strategy moving toward. frank luntz: i want to give you one opportunity to close. mr. rubio: actually, can i rely on this to close with something i think is important? frank luntz: if you tell them what it is. mr. rubio: it is a bible. i think they know. [applause] [cheering] chapter 12 verse 48, it talks about our obligations. it says, for everyone who has given much, much will be required. and whom they have entrusted much, of all they will ask more. i think that speaks to us in our individual lives. i think that speaks to us in our individual lives. america doesn't only anything. i have a debt to this country i will never repay. it is the nation that literally changed the history of my family.

when my father was nine years old and lost his mother, he had to go work, he had to leave school. and his mission of his life was to give us the chance that he could never do, and that was only possible because of america. it speaks to us as a nation. much has been given to this country. we have been blessed with this vast, fertile land with the most creative and innovative people in all of mankind. and with that, comes the responsibility to lead the world politically, economically, militarily, and morally. there are a lot of people out there who may talk about america, they admire us. they are inspired by us. they believe they can be better because they are inspired by us. that is the country i want to lead. i hope that is what this election will be about. frank luntz: senator marco rubio! [applause] mr. rubio: thank you very much. >> thank you. >> great job.

mr. rubio: thank you. [applause] >> tonight on "q&a >> the artist talking about our use of art around gang affiliations run the world. >> pelican bay isn't alone in this. around the country, you can rent -- land in solitary for your art , you're reading your belief your gender status or your friends. >> a lot of times it is not to show the finished drawing, it is to build rapport with people. when you have a big camera it puts a distance between you and the person. they're taking these images and you cannot see what they are taking. even though you are producing beautiful things later.

when you draw it is a vulnerable thing. they can see exactly what you're doing. it is more of an interchange. most people have not been drawn before and most are delighted to be drawn. a lot of times i draw people because i like to. >> on c-span's "q&a," tonight. >> this weekend, the c-span cities to her travels -- tour travels across the country to learn more about lexington kentucky. edward prichard had a to mulch was political career. >> -- tumultuous political career. >> if you had asked in the mid-1940's who was a bright shining star on a national scale someone who will be governor or president? a lot of people would have said ed prichard of kentucky. he was one of those people who

worked in the white house in his early 20's. he seemed destined for great things and then came back to kentucky. he was indicted for stuffing a ballot box. went to prison. that incredible promise flamed out. >> we also visit ashland, the former house of secretary of state henry clay. >> the mansion at ashland is unique. his original home had to be torn down and rebuilt. it fell into disrepair and his son found it could not be saved. he rebuilt on the original foundation. what we have is a home that is essentially a five-part federal style home with italian details, architectural elements, etc. and an added layer of aesthetic details. >> see all of our programs from

lek sinton today at 2:00 on c-span3 -- from lexington, today at 2:00 on c-span3. >> c-span gives you the best access to congress. live coverage of the u.s. house. bringing you events that shape public policy. every morning, "washington journal" his life with policymakers, journalists and your comments by phone. brought to you as a public service by your local cable or satellite provider. >> yesterday, jeffrey webb, a former top official with soccer's governing body was arraigned in federal court. webb was among seven fifa officials detained in switzerland. prosecutors lauded to pay bribes

over $150 million. a senate held a subcommittee hearing over the allegations of corruption. this is two hours. >> this hearing of the subcommittee is called to order. we have votes scheduled for 3:00 which is troublesome. we will see how this goes, as far as how we handle the circumstance when it arises. goes as far as how we handle that circumstance when it arises. i would like to first thank the witnesses today for participating in what i think is a very important hearing regarding international soccer governance. i'm not one who generally thinks congress should investigate every scandal in the world of professional sports. neuer do i believe that the topics we are discussing today will lead to legislation that must be enacted.

but i do believe this is a significant issue that deserves public attention. by shining light on the corruption bribery and other criminal activity that has been a part of international soccer for far too long my hope is that the american people, current and future sponsors, and media companies that support the games today will better understand the consequences of allowing the organizations governing soccer to continue without reform. including the tragic loss of life. according to some reports, as many as 4,000 my grant workers will die before the first ball is kicked in the 2022 world cup. that is appalling. soccer is by far the most popular sport in the world. it is truly a global institution that connects humanity across language, culture and continent. soccer is attracting a wider

audience by the day right here in the united states. one must look no farther than the women's world cup u.s. national team winning to see the impact soccer has on lives. along with this excitement comes billions of dollars of annual revenue from tv contracts, sponsorships and endorsements. that's why the revelations of bribery atrophy fifa and concacaf are more troubling. bribery, corruption within international soccer is so serious that may 27th 2015, the u.s. department of justice unsealed a 47 count indictment against nine fifa officials and

five corporate executives charging the defendants with racketeering, bribery, wire fraud, and money laundering. the culture of corruption must be addressed. with the announcement that fifa president blatter prepares to step down. now it is time for the united states and the soccer federation to engage and encourage meaningful reforms and elect a leader atrophy tpa who will spearhead long overdue changes within the organization. the goal is to have a serious and meaningful conversation about how to address fifa's culture of corruption, united

states participation in the organization, and the human rights violations stemming from the organization's lapses in integrity. without evidence that reforms are being implemented, we must examine our country's own participation in fifa and how it can restore integrity to the world of soccer. we cannot, should not, must not turn a blind eye to this issue any longer, especially when human lives are at stake. i now would like to turn to the ranking member, senator blumenthal for his opening statement. senator blumenthal? >> thank you mr. chairman. and i want to thank you for having this hearing and for our witnesses being here. i also want to thank the department of justice for its vigorous and profoundly significant investigation. and i want to note that soccer is a growing and important sport in the united states.

and we pride ourselves last month in our world champion team. i want to congratulate them and say very bluntly that the corruption uncovered in world soccer is a disservice to the game, it is a disrespect to them. it betrays countless men and women. many of them young people just beginning in this sport. who have a right to expect better. the fact of the matter is what has been so far is a mafia style crime syndicate in charge of this sport. my only hesitation in using that

term is that almost insulting to the mafia. because the mafia would never have been so blatant overt and arrogant in its corruption. the simple fact is that in this indictment more than 100 pages long, shows a crime organization a racketeering conspiracy. it has an organizational chart that shows how it was run. and the question is who knew about this criminal wrongdoing when did they know it and what did they know, why did they not act more quickly. and those are the questions that u.s. soccer federation has to answer today.

these are classic questions involved in any racketeering conspiracy investigation. that is why there is no fact an ongoing criminal investigation. we know some of the individuals who were responsible and should be held accountable. at least one of the principals has pleaded guilty already. and others may be cooperating. but the facts show that there had to be either willful ignorance or blatant incompetence on many of the members of this organization. and that's true of u.s. soccer as well. they either knew about it or they should have known about it. and i'm not sure which is worse. the recent success of our professional women's soccer team should remind us and all

americans that fifa, the international responsible for regulating and promoting soccer, has engaged in this willful and prolonged disgracefully corrupt conduct, including money laundering, fraud spanning two decades. many of these crimes were committed in the united states. which is especially troubling. i am saddened by the fact that these corrupt practices over many years have deprived american national teams, our youth leagues and millions of american soccer fans of the full value and integrity of the game they love. the actions of fifa's international and regional soccer officials have undermined the very sport this organization was established to serve. and this hearing is an opportunity for us not only to

ask these questions about who knew what when and why they didn't do anything about it but also to lay the groundwork for reform. just as sports scandals in the past have led to fundamental far-reaching overhauls in the way those sports are organized and conducted. i want to know what reforms the u.s. soccer federation is planning to introduce to instill greater transparency and accountability in the governance of soccer in america. not whether but what and when. because clearly there is an urgent and immediate need for such reforms. but i also believe that america's national soccer federation has those serious questions to answer. and i think it has to answer them not only at this hearing but for its fans around this country.

clearly we can no longer indulge the idea of fifa, a multibillion dollar nonprofit. only those who install greater transparency and accountability can shed the necessary sunlight to disinfect this corrupt organization. one proposal is in fact to reorganize it as a public corporation or some part of it as a public corporation. i'm proud that the united states has led the world in bringing these scandals to light and holding individuals responsible. but that job is far from over. there needs to be additional action. and it should involve not only

members of the public and public officials but also let me emphasize the private corporation that sponsor these events, corporate organizations that sponsor international soccer like mcdonald's, nike coca-cola and visa play their part by ensuring that they stand as guardians of good governance. they must do so rather than silent beneficiaries who benefit from opaque governance. and at least one of those corporations is mentioned without making it in the indictment. as my colleague senator moran has just mentioned, these actions have real life consequences not only financially but in potential discrimination against women in

the game and potential physical harm to the workers who may have been involved and may be involved in other countries where major physical construction involves human trafficking and human rights abuse and worse. the international community must collectively work to ensure human rights are upheld wherever our athletes compete. the betrayal of trust is no less when human trafficking is involved in building the stadiums where our athletes compete. it's a betrayal of trust on the part of those organizations that sponsor the game, and it implicates the entire sport. we should not tolerate the world's most preeminent sporting competitions being staged at the expense of our most vulnerable citizens. today's hearing is a first step. and i want to thank all of you for being here today. i look forward to your testimony

and to restoring the trust of american fans, trust which has been betrayed but which they certainly deserve. thank you, mr. chairman. >> i thank the ranking member. our panel today for this hearing is consists of four witnesses, mr. dan flynn, who's the ceo and secretary general of the u.s. soccer federation. that is the united states's representative at fifa and concacaf. mr. michael hershman. the president and ceo of the fairfax group, member of fifa's independent governance committee. mr. barry, advocacy director for the middle east north africa amnesty international. he will testify about findings of the may 15, 2015 amnesty report regarding working conditions. and finally mr. andrew jennings who's traveled perhaps the furthest to join us. he's an investigative writer and filmmaker credited with blowing cover on fifa scandal.

we will start with mr. flynn. mr. flynn, please testify. >> thank you, senator. on behalf of the united states soccer federation i would like to thank senator moran, senator blumenthal, senator from my home state of missouri and other members of this committee for giving soccer to appear today and answer questions you may have. on behalf of our womens national team, i would like to also thank president and mrs. obama, vice president and dr. biden, distinguished members of this subcommittee, your senate and house colleagues and the tens of millions of fans in the united states including the largest television audience ever to watch a soccer match in this country who supported and cheered this wonderful group of women to the women's world cup title just ten days ago. i am daniel flynn, and i have been u.s. soccer's chief executive officer and secretary general for the last 15 years. and i'm ultimately responsible for the day-to-day operations of the federation.

we are a nonprofit membership organization recognized by the u.s. olympic committee as a national governing body for soccer and by fifa, the world's governing body for the sport of soccer as national association member for the united states. as required by fifa we are also a member of concacaf, covers the north and central america and caribbean nations. for more than 100 years u.s. soccer's mission has been to make soccer a preeminent support in the united states and to continue the growth and development of the sport at all levels. u.s. soccer directly fields 17 national teams including the women's national team which has won three world cup titles and four olympic gold medals and the men's national team which is in the process of defending its 2013 concacaf gold cup title. we also field the national paralympics team and numerous aged based boys and girls teams. u.s. soccer is made up of various organizations including

among others our professional leagues, the adult amateur leagues, soccer organizations for disabled athletes and the youth amateur organizations. u.s. soccer is governed by a 15-person volunteer board of directors elected by its members which includes independent directors, athlete representatives and directors representing different segments of our membership. our annual tax returns audited financial statements, business plans, bylaws, policy and board of director meeting minutes are all publicly available on our website. in fifa, we are one of 209 national association members. fifa members must vote on any substantial changes to the organization. and a vote of every member, regardless of the size, number of players or the quality of their national teams, counts the same. until two years ago when our president was elected to the fifa executive committee, the federation did not have a direct

representative on that important policymaking body. although our role and influence in fifa has historically been limited, the federation has been a strong advocate for reforming the organization by among other things improving governance, increasing transparency and strengthening ethics rules. u.s. soccer supported fifa's decision in 2011 to engage experts to conduct a review of its governance structure and then urge the adoption of the reforms after the governance report was released. u.s. soccer supported the investigation by the fifa ethics committee into the bidding and award processes for the 2018 and 2022 world cups. and publicly advocated for the release of the full investigative report, not just the summary report released by fifa last fall. u.s. soccer was one of the national associations which nominated prince ali and then publicly supported his challenge to fifa's long standing

president mr. sepp blatter in a recent election. we did so including potential impact on our possible bid, the host the 2026 mens world cup. but u.s. soccer believes good governance and good leadership at fifa is paramount and more important to the sport than hosting any individual world cup. going forward we believe reform will have to start at the top beginning with the election of a new fifa president in light of mr. blatter's stated intention to resign. u.s. soccer will look to the new president to lead this reform. we understand many traditional soccer powers also believe it is time for a change. u.s. soccer will continue to work with like minded national associations and confederations to promote change and to alter the culture at fifa.

at concacaf, efforts proceeded more rapidly. concacaf appointed a three-person special committee which includes u.s. soccer's president to help guide through this period of turmoil. and over the july 4th weekend concacaf recommendation committee unanimously approved a series of sweeping reforms to discuss governance, and compliance and transparency. thank you for your time and i look forward to responding to specific questions you may have on this or other subjects. >> mr. flynn, thank you for your testimony. mr. hershman. >> good afternoon, chairman moran, ranking member blumenthal and members of the subcommittee. thank you for this opportunity to appear before you today alongside such esteemed colleagues in the field of transparency and integrity in the global world of sports. i'm honored to speak on an issue that has been a passion and driving force throughout my career including having served on two years on the independence governing committee of fifa and as co-founder of transparency

international, the world's leading ngo on issues relating to transparency and accountability. additionally i'm currently spearheading an integrity project in sports as an advisory board member for the international center for sports security. as senator moran has stated before, soccer is by far the most popular sport in the world, and it is attracting a wider audience by the day in the united states. however, the upper echelons of the sport's governing body have been notoriously corrupt for many years. until the laudable recent efforts of the u.s. justice department and the fbi, many allegations were mostly swept under the rug. now that fifa's lack of transparency and accountability has been brought into the global public attention, there's a tremendous opportunity to discuss the inherent autonomy in sporting organizations. sports organizations have long maintained that autonomy is

essential to the preservation of the values embedded in sport. this is a difficult concept to argue with. that is until the core values in sport are undermined by a lack of accountability and trust, which we've seen recently in one of the world's largest, most profitable sporting bodies, fifa. the growing commercial interests at play, the protection that many governments offer large sporting organizations and the rapidly growing sports gambling industry, both legal and illegal, are all converging to create a situation where self-regulation is increasingly challenging. the sports industry must put in place governance and compliance standards which demonstrate the best practices in transparency and accountability. fifa is a big business with revenue of about $5.6 billion every four-year world cup cycle.

and fifa had a chance to be a leader in reform when the scandals first began popping up about ten years ago. despite multiple chances to change after being presented with reform proposals by transparency international as well as our own independent governance committee, fifa held to the irresponsible notion that it was autonomous and did not have to adhere to outside oversight or interference. the u.s. public cannot assume fifa is the only sporting body with endemic structural problems. every single governing body in the sports world from the international olympic committee to the icc to the nfl, needs to agree to modern standards of transparency and accountability. while many people around the world hold sport as sacred, it has become an incredibly profitable industry that needs to be regulated and treated for what it is, big business. these recent events are bigger

than fifa. they require coordinated global action across all sporting bodies. and i believe there is a way we can achieve this reform with the cooperation and support from governments and sport industry leaders around the world. the international center for sports security, which is also a nonprofit organization, has bourn the idea of the sports industry transparency initiative. i serve on their board of advisers and we have established a set of global standards which would be voluntarily adopted by sports organizations. this collective action agreement would form a governing group that would work with the sports community to promote transparency and accountability while strengthening a higher standard of ethics and values in sports. the standards would finally create a benchmark to evaluate the effectiveness and efficiency of sports governance and compliance programs. the standards would include but

not be limited to professionalizing boards of directors in sports, managing conflicts of interest, building a democratic foundation, embracing transparency and accountability, leveling the playing field for athletes, men and women, motivating ethical behavior for staff and volunteers, engaging with key stakeholders, showcasing sport event integrity, considering the positive role of sport in society and establishing effective risk controls. this approach will be comprehensive and far reaching while every principle does not apply to all sports organizations, there is enough common ground to ensure that sports groups understand what is expected of them in terms of integrity and transparency. as attorney general loretta lynch so rightly pointed out in her speech after announcing the fifa charges, many of the individuals and organizations we will describe today were

entrusted with keeping soccer open and accessible to all. they held important responsibilities at every level, from building soccer fields for children in developing countries to organizing the world cup. they were expected to uphold the rules that keep soccer honest and protect the integrity of the game. instead they corrupted the business of worldwide soccer to serve their interesting and rich themselves. mr. chairman, thank you. i look forward to answering your questions and those of the committee members. >> mr. hershman, thank you. mr. barry, welcome. and we welcome your testimony. >> thank you. chairman -- >> you need to turn on your microphone please. >> there we go. chairman moran, ranking member blumenthal, and distinguished guests, on behalf of amnesty international thank you for the opportunity to address the issue of human rights in the 2022 fifa world cup. the 2022 fifa world cup brought

in global focus the foreign my grant workers cannot leave without permission of their current employer. even if an employer is not paying the employee the employer can still block the employee from changing jobs or leaving the country. in 2012 the qatar national research fund funded a survey is of some 1,000 low income labor migrants. 90% of migrants said their employers possess their passports. a violation of qatar law. as documented by amnesty international researchers in the most extreme examples, foreign my grant workers have become suicidal after trapped without pay by employers. they have been forced to depend

on charity from others simply to eat. family members in poor communities in their countries of origin can face eviction and other serious challenges because a family member is trapped in qatar and not being paid for work they have done. there are an astounding more than 1.5 million foreign nationals working in qatar today. these numbers have increased at a dramatic rate with the population growing staggering 43% since they awarded the world cup in december of 2010. this is due to a massive construction boom in the country. the government is spending hundreds of billions ever dollars into a massive infrastructure program. this goes well beyond stadiums. many of the construction projects aren't solely for the world cup but remain central to the success of the sporting event and the overlapping effort to make qatar a global destination for tourism and commerce. the problems faced by qatar go

beyond the restrictions by the employer sponsorship system. foreign my grant workers are forbidden from joining trade unions. which qatar does offer labor laws they are not enforced effectively. to make matters even worse, thousands of foreign migrant workers in domestic roles are excluded from the protections set out under the qatar poorly enforced labor law. these my grant workers who are mainly women working in households are exposed greater exploitation and abuse, including sexual violence. despite repeated announcement to the contrary, the government has failed to address the problem of labor exploitation. in may of 2014 the qatar government promised limited reforms to address the widespread exploitation of migrant workers in the country but one year later none of the reforms have been implemented. in 2014 amnesty international identified nine key issues to address urgently and one year later nothing has changed in the

four most critical areas of abuse. only limited actions have been taken in the remaining five areas. they do not address the structural factors of the abuse in qatar. the responsibility for the rights of the workers in qatar rest with the authorities but when fifa awarded the world cup it assumed the responsibility for the human rights impact of that decision. unfortunately fifa efforts have fallen far short of the concrete action needed to make sure the world cup in qatar is not based on labor exploitation. i've outlined specific problems with the exploitation. these solutions should be implemented by the government fifa and countries that my grant workers are from. the united states government can help in specific ways. for the government of qatar the solution is to fix the deeply flaws sponsorship system and address the many other problems i've highlighted today.

for fifa it is not enough for the organization officials so simply accept the verbal commitments of the government of qatar. fifa must send a strong message to the authorities and the construction sector that human rights must be respected in all world cup related projects and fifa must put in place effective systems to monitor and report on this. this includes not only training and stadium facilities and hotels and transportation projects and other infrastructure. if reforms are not put in place, the facilities for the 2022 cup will carry the permanent stain of forced labor and human suffering. on behalf of amnesty international, thank you for the opportunity to testify today. >> mr. berry, thank you for testifying. mr. jennings, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, chairman and ranking member, i don't know the proper way to do this. >> you've come a long way, we

want to hear you. >> i testified to john mccain back in 1999 on the olympic scandals but it has all changed since then. i would you like to join with everybody else in honoring america's soccer players and the gracious way they and the only 23 teams conduct themselves in the women's world cup. and this contrasts sadly with the massive, massive deficiency of the u.s. soccer federation, frightened to upset blatter and fifa and enjoying the elite lifestyle he provides. we're here to discuss how american soccer relates to fifa. i note the absence of mr. slaty. that is one crucial question today. where is sunil? where is he? he's the man who takes american values, supposedly, to fifa and to konica concacaf and not here

to talk bit. i've worked with cbs's "60 minutes" and hbo's real sport. i have reported from war zones in beirut check nia. i'm very proud of being a reporter in the world band by mr. blatter because of my disclosures over the last 15 years. before stumbling on the fifa lowlifes, i had experience with organized crime and been nose to nose with the mafia in palermo. blatter's thief the -- fifa has all the characteristics of an organized crime syndicate. after seven years of following these sleaze bags and putting