i don't think the candidate with the most money wins. i think hillary clinton may have two billion dollars. i think the american people are smart enough not to elect her as president of the united states. jack: you have 30 seconds to say anything you would like. this is the most important election of our lifetime. is about america getting off the path. you heard a lot of great talk. we have a great talker in the white house. we need a do or, not a talker. we can't afford more years of training. i have the bandwidth to get you through this. i'm asking you to join a cause. 14 let us believe in america again. let us give more opportunities to our children than we inherited from our parents. a lot of candidates are running that are great talkers, we've had seven years of a great talker. let's elect a doer. god bless y'all.

thank you very much. had seven years of a great talker. let's elect a doer. god bless y'all. >> during his tenure in the senate, senator graham cut entitlements. mr. heath: senator graham, john mccain was on my show on friday, touting our foreign policy experience. i think he said of all the candidates running you have the deepest experience. mr. graham: when he is right, he is right. not always, but when he is right, he is right. mr. heath: let's put that to the testify. mr. graham: i won't mention the candidate that is not here. is there any scenario you think if your generals and advisors are saying maybe we should have gone earlier, if we go in places in syria, we can knock isis back. if you know about this, is that a smart thing to do? why aren't

we doing it if it is? mr. graham: you have a weak president that is more worried about campaign promises than dealing with the threats to our country. he was told by all of his commanders, don't leave iraq without a 10,000 residual force behind. john mccain and i begged him not to. everything we said has happened. it is hard, democracy is hard. look how hard it is for us. you expect these people to get everything right in 10 or 15 years? it won't happen. he was told by all of his advisors, you need to help the free syrian army while assad is on the rope, a no-fly zone. he said no thank you. he said isil is the j.v. teal. he drew a red line, and everybody thinks we are all talk. you need more troops in iraq. i have been to iraq and afghanistan 35 times. i ask you to make me commander

in chief. you need somebody who knows what they are doing. i have been a reservist. it will not be easy. we're going to have to go from 3500 to 10,000 to get iraq in a good spot. if you don't deal with syria we'll be hit here. it's the perfect platform to attack us. there is no ground component in syria. we spent $5$00 million to train 60 people. i would go to the turks, to egypt, to jordan, i would go to saudi arabia and say we're going to take your armies and integrate our forces in your armies and you will pay for this war, we paid for the last two. we'll pull the caliphate up and repair syria. if we don't they are coming here. there is no easy way forward folks. we won't balance the budget without democratic support or fix immigration unless you get a

bipartisan plan. i'm from the reddest of red states. my biggest sin is that i worked for democrats that tried to find arable -- a rational solution. i would suggest to you the best way to predict what i will do in the future is what i have done in the past. whatever it takes to defend the country. mr. heath: what should the federal minimum wage be? mr. graham: the federal minimum wage should not be increased. hillary clinton's list is a mile long of help the middle class. the middle class is somebody that can't go on vacation when the car breaks. the middle class has to make hard choices nobody else seems to make any more. i have been there. her definition, secretary clinton's definition of flat broke is different than mine. if after two terms in the white husband and your husband is president you think you are flat broke, boy, have you lost your way? at 22 i was flat broke

when my parents died within 15 months. i can't wait to get in the ring with her or or joe biden, who is a fine man. if you want to turn around american foreign policy, the last two people you ought to ask is his vice president or former secretary of state. mr. heath: 30 seconds, senator. mr. graham: the next president needs to be sure of who or -- i'm sorry. i can't talk. the next president needs to have their act together. three problems. too many terrorists, too much debt, too few jobs. you need a strategy to put radical islam in a box and nail it shot. we can't do it without more troops. the debt is driven by the 80 million baby boomers. we are going to wipe out social security and medicare if we don't do anything about it. i would do whatever it takes to save this program and this

country. >> under ms. fiorina's leadership hewlett packard grew to become one of the biggest countries in the united states. mr. heath: how can we get past what happened in 2008. ms. fiorina: the financial crisis was caused by fannie mae and freddie mac. these were sponsored by republicans and democrats alike. they have not been reformed. 25 agencies were supposed to be minding the store and did not. democrats passed dodd-frank. dodd-frank caused 10 wall street banks too big to fail, have become five, more bigger, powerful wall street banks and thousands of community banks have gone out of business. we need to repeal dodd-frank

like we need to repeal obamacare and get about what we should have been doing years ago. reform freddie may and freddie mac. the government should not be in the mortgage business. the agencies that regulate the mortgage system should be competent. the regulators that are supposed to be minding the banking system are watching pornography and earning the same pay. this is not rocket science. it just never seems to happen. mr. heath: senator graham had some sobering words about perhaps iraq syria, troop commitment. i think americans -- i can't even begin to characterize what it is like to watch the beheadings and torture and what isis is doing to captives. we know about lone wolf terrorism. chattanooga, tennessee, and so forth. fort dix. do the american people have the stomach to go to war, even if it

is limited, to go to war in syria or iraq to fight this evil? ms. fiorina: president obama continuously provided to the american people the false choice. he says either you agree with what i'm doing or not doing or the option is to go to war. that is not true. there are many things we could and should be doing. first we must have the strongest military on the planet and everyone has to know it, which means we have to invest in fighting men and women and reneed to reform the department of defense. i would make two phone calls to netanyahu, to rea sure him we stand with israel. the second is the leader of iran. he may not take my call. he would get the message. until you allow any-time, anywhere inspections we'll make it difficult for you to move money around the global financial system. why do i start with those things? knowing more world leaders on the stage today than

anyone running with the possible exception of hillary clinton, i know our allies need a message from us we will stand with them and our adversaries need a message that we will confront you. in terms of isis, we have allies that know this is their fight. the king of jordan a good man the saudi, i know them, the kurds, the emrates, they know isis is their fight. they asked us for bombs, intelligence, and weapons, i would have a camp david summit and ask them what they need from us. yes, they may need more special forces but we need to show leadership, resolve, or support or our allies will lose courage. mr. heath: you have 30 seconds. ms. fiorina: i started as a secretary in a nine person real estate firm. i went on to lead the largest technology country in the world. now i'm running for the president of the united states.

my story is only possible in america. our nation is at a pivotal time. whatever your issue or cause or problem that you hope would be resolved, the political class haslett you down. margaret thatcher once said i'm not content to manage the decline of a great nation. neither am i. we need a president who understands the economy, the world, how it works, who is in it. bureaucracy and how to hold them accountable and cut them down to size. technology. i have a proven track record of challenging the status quo and problem solving. with your support and vote i will lead the resurgence of a great nation. mr. heath: thank you. >> senator santorum was a member of the gang of seven that exposed the congressional banking and post office scandals. mr. heath: senator, what should the president's role be in terming abortion policy in america. mr. santorum: i believe that the supreme court of the united states has abused its authority.

most recently in the gay marriage case. justice roberts said it best. there is no constitutional basis for this decision. roe versus wade, they said it was the same logic as dred scott. whose sign are you on? are you going to be on the side of lincoln? abraham lincoln said that decision cannot stand and they went on and passed a bill to free the slaves. are we suggesting we will be held by a supreme court that abraham lincoln wasn't held by when an unjust decision was handed down? in my opinion, we cannot be. mr. heath: is it time, this is from one of our folks, a voter. is it time to put a woman on the $20 bill, and if so, who? mr. santorum: i think carlie is a good choice. i like her. mr. heath: i thought you would say mrs. santorum. mr. santorum: now you are going

to get me in trouble. karen, i'm putting you. that's what i was thinking. mr. heath: let's shift gears. you agree it is time? mr. santorum: i think that's certainly appropriate. we have tremendous people, women of great accomplishment. i have no problem putting them on currency. mr. heath: why has it taken this long. do you support the marketplace fairness act from another voter marketplace fairness act, which requires internet businesses to collect sales tax. mr. santorum: i do not. mr. heath: what is going to happen if this push continues? how do you get across the message that taxing the internet might stifle growth. mr. santorum: what we don't need is more government texas. taxes. we need to go to a flat rate a simple system where you don't have any of the bells and whistles, no incentives. you don't need them if you have a low flat rate. mr. heath: i hear from small business owners that feel at every level they are

overburdened. some say they would not even start the business today. are we antibusiness in america and why? mr. santorum: everything that president obama has done with a pen and phone can be undone on day one with a pen. i would suspend every single executive order, regulation, rules interpretation that cost americans jobs. i would repeal them. if there was no purpose for them, or i would review them and make them more business friendly and friendly to american workers. this is all about jobs. this is all about creating opportunities for the folks in america that feel that neither party cares about them. democrats, all they want to do is give them money. republicans, you know, all of our emphasis is all about small business. i think small business is great. we need to do things to encourage small business. but 90% of workers in america don't own or run their own business. they work for a living. we have to have an idea, a plan and a vision to put them back to

work so they can rise, too. mr. heath: you have 30 seconds to address the voters. mr. santorum: as was mentioned i was a member of the gang of seven. i won my first race in a 60% democratic district against an incumbent. in a state of a million more democrats than republicans, i took out an incumbent? i did that because i was an effective reformer that stood for the people in this country no one else is standing for. i'm the only person in the race that ran in a presidential year with a president on the ticket that lost the state, and i won. president bush lost by four and i won by five. no won has done that. it's hard in a presidential election. none of these gentlemen have won in an election year. if you want a winner, you have to have someone that will stand with the american people that has a record of reform and accomplishment to get things done and i have that record. mr. heath: thank you, senator.

mr. santorum: thank you. >> as governor of ohio, governor kasich has made a surplus and cut taxes. mr. heath: what is a major issue with which you will say tonight you disagree with the republican party, your own party on? where is your party wrong? mr. kasich: i'm not here to criticize my party. what i will tell you is i think that economic growth is not just an end unto itself. i think it is very important with economic growth comes responsibility and the ability to help people that live in the shadows, whether they are mentally ill or drug addicted. we have the mayor of manchester fighting a tsunami. all over the country are the working poor. what i have tried to emphasize is economic growth, the creation of jobs is our most important moral purpose. once that is accomplished we need to reach out to people that have traditionally lived in the shadows. in my state, ohio, we usually find out the results of an

election three days later, i had the second largest victory in modern ohio history with 60% of women, 51% of union households, 26% of african americans. our whole purpose has to be to give everybody a sense that the american dream is alive. that we all can rise. whether we are drug addicted or ill or developmentally disabled, whether we have never been given the attention we need as made in the image of the lord. so i would not disagree with any of my colleagues on that. i think we all have a heart for that. it is something our party needs to talk more about so people across the country understand that we get them. sometimes, jack, our problem is people don't necessarily think we get them. but you know, thank god my father carried mail on his back and his father was a coalminer my mother could barely speak english. you are in touch with folks, their anxieties and concerns

want. people want to know you get them. mr. heath: governor, in a few days there will be a debate in cleveland. mr. kasich: lebron will be moderating it, i understand. mr. heath: you got in the race late. a lot of your colleagues here. some are pretty impressive folks. why did you feel there was an opening for john kasich. you have run before. why did you get in this time with such a large field? mr. kasich: jack, look. i have received blessings, most of us here have been very, very blessed. when you get that way, you have to figure out what your purpose is in life to make the world a little better place. it took me a while to get in this because i didn't get in this just to do it. i got in it to win. if i didn't think i could win i wouldn't do it. the reason i'm doing it is frankly, i have been a servant in terms of government, you know, government responsibility, a lot of my adult life. i spent ten years in the private

sector. i got a calling back to my state to help fix my state. guess what. we went from the loss of 350,000 job to the gain of it. our credit going up. people living in the shadows have hope. we cut taxes by five billion dollars. so you know, we diversified our economy, jack. the most importantening is give people a sense that we get them, everybody can be included and we liftsh, nobody cut out. mr. heath: you have 30 seconds to address the voters. mr. kasich: i have been listening. balancing the budget. how are you going to do it. we did it. when i left washington, we had a five trillion surplus, the economy was booming. we cut taxes on risk taking and investments. so it is not about what i think we can do. it is about what i have already done. i served on the armed services committee and have great respect for senator graham. i was there when we changed the way the military operates to get the services to work together. so reform the pentagon.

i have national security experience. we went from eight billion in the hole to two billion in the black. for people in ohio, hope has come back to the buckeye state. thank you, i love being here. we'll see you soon. mr. heath: thank you governor. >> as governor governor christie achieved health benefit reforms. mr. heath: the question i asked someone earlier, governor, is a question about the presidents, now maybe he regrets it, calling isis a j.v. team and now they are a bigger threat. do you have a plan to take on that direct terrorist organization and defeat them or is it a movement that we have to be realistic, it will be here longer than we may want? mr. christie: i think the answer is yes to both. this will be a long battle whether you are talking about isis or al-qaeda or the other radical islamic forces across

the world. the plan has to be very direct and clear. we need to get our allies in the middle east engaged in a major way. the jordanians and the saudis, they want to be engaged and believe this is an exostential threat to them. we need to make sure they are armed and trained. we need to share human and electronic intelligence with them and we need to provide them air cover and cooperation to make their attempts to target these folks correct. mr. heath: you may get the energy award of campaigning in new hampshire. i heard a lot about your town hall events. i hear you stay late and answer the questions. that's the point. mr. christie: i'm like the bad relative you invite for thanksgiving. i come early and stay late. mr. heath: of all the candidates in new hampshire are staying long and often. but some people that observed this say that your best time to run may have come and gone. i would like to know what makes a lot of you tick to make such a

big decision. mr. christie: are you saying i'm washed up? mr. heath: no. but if you are going to open the door, i will take it. you have gone through battles in new jersey. i'm sure it is a family decision for all the candidates. it is an incredible undertaking. why now? what was the decision in your house. mr. christie: no one should run for president until they can look in the mirror and say when they are ready. when folks approached me i was honored but i wasn't ready. i had been governor about 16 months in new jersey. i was not ready. so i look this time, four years later in the mirror, and everything that happened to me in the last four years, good and bad, made me better, made me better prepared. the decision is about whether in your heart and mind you are ready to lead the greatest country in the world during some of the most difficult times we ever faced. if that answer is not unequivocally yes, you have no business going to the american people to ask for their vote. i'm ready.

mr. heath: ready for 30 seconds? mr. christie: sure. i come from one of the bluest states in america. 42 years since new jersey elected a republican to the united states senate. longest streak of any state in the nation. in 2009, against an incumbent that outspent me $33 million to $11 million, we beat him and took on a budget deficit, balanced it, cut taxes, and now after eight years of no private sector job growth in new jersey before i became governor. 192,000 new jobs. and most importantly the people in new jersey know when i say i'm going to do something, i'll do it. when i say i won't, i won't. we need that kind of clarity in the united states again and in the oval office. i thank for your vote. >> as governor of new york government pataki lived through the worst terrorist attack on american soil on september 11, 2001. mr. heath: governor, that

introduction is where i was going to go. seems like a lot of years ago. in some respects, i imagine for you and others, it seems like yesterday. mr. pataki: it seems like yesterday. mr. heath: how did it change your life? mr. pataki: it changed it completely. on september 11 i was governor. it wasn't an abstract thing to see and hear about radical islam. i walked the streets, i could taste the dust and ash in the air. i comforted families that lost loved ones. i vowed that i would do, if i ever had the opportunity everything i could to protect us from radical islam and another terrorist attack. we are not doing that today. isis poses a very clear threat to us. not just with a major attack, but what they are doing here, tweeting, recruiting, jihaddists, you know, we just had the tragic incident in chattanooga. the obama administration says we're going to not have our marines put on arms, they are going to take off their uniform. my view is very simple. we cannot bow down to islam

anywhere. certainly not in the united states. we should have our marines not take off their uniforms, but put on their guns. we should be proud to be here. we have to be proactive against isis in the middle east. i went back and read the september 11th commission report. just a couple months ago. they had what we must do in the future to prevent another attack. they actually had a section that said if, for example, iraq becomes a failed state, and radical islam rises there, we have to use all of the might of america to destroy it. well, today isis has training camps. we distributement centers, social media capability. hundreds of millions of dollars people with western passports, we can't be passive. we have to arm the kurds directly. they are took place on the front line. instead of telling egypt to get

better on human rights, help their military fight isis and we should go in and destroy the recruiting centers before they have the chance to attack us here again. mr. heath: quickly, lightning question. is there a limit to second amendment protection in your mind? mr. pataki: i don't think we should change the second amendment. the problem is mental health. we have to do a lot more to enforce mental health laws. mr. heath: governor, 30 seconds. mr. pataki: in my lifetime, i don't think i have ever seen americans more divided than today. a great republican president abraham lincoln said a house divided against itself cannot stand. we need to win this election. we need to do it not bipolar bipolarizing but by uniting the american people behind good, intelligent conservative limited government policies. i know i can do it because i did it three times in new york the most blue state in america, with more than three million democrats.

we can win this election by bringing the american people together behind us. if i run, i promise you i will do that and take america's government back for the people. thank you. mr. heath: thank you governor. >> while jeb bush was governor of florida. 80,000 businesses were started and 1.3 million jobs created. mr. heath: governor bush. common core curriculum is controversial in new hampshire. should state and local school boards reject national educational standards? mr. bush: they should. states should create standards they should be state driven and locally implemented. the federal government should have no role in the creation of standards, no role in the creation directly or indirectly. the federal government's role in education ought to be to provide support for states that won't reform. government jindal created some amazing reform in louisiana.

his money cannot be used to enhance the reforms. the federal government should not have a say on standards, we need higher standards, school choice, ending social promotion, a plan to make sure more than a third of the kids are college or career ready. mr. heath: i differ than my sister greatly on politics. you have a brother that is well-known, and a dad, a father that was president. do you feel when you talk with voters you have to differentiate yourself philosophically from the former presidents? mr. bush: people get this. by your point, around the kitchen table, your sister doesn't agree with you on things, and so i have a different view than my brother. my dad is probably the most perfect man alive. it is hard for me to be critical of him. i have a t-shirt that says, the jeb swag store that says my dad is the greatest man alive. if you don't like it, i will take you outside. mr. heath: a final word? mr. bush: first of all, i'm

impressed with the caliber of the people that are running for president. every person that participated in this debate is better than any of the democrats running. so i'm honored to be a candidate and believe that we are on the verge of the greatest time to be alive. we have to fix a few things. if we do, this country will take off and i have the skills to make it happen. mr. heath: that is it. thank you very much, everyone. >> that concludes this evening's program. thank you to our participants. >> on the next "washington journal," we will start by getting your reaction to the borders first presidential forum. the importance of new hampshire pasha role as the first in the nation primary. after that, national journal reporter jason plautz looks at new rules that would limit our

plant carbon emission. next, a state department report rates countries on the world to combat human trafficking. "washington journal" is live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. tomorrow, a hearing on federal prison oversight. we will hear from officials in the justice department. the hearing is live at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. then remarks from the chancellor of the university of north carolina at chapel hill. she will speak about college affordability at the national press club and you can see those at 1:00 p.m. eastern. after that, the berkman's institution holds a discussion on the future of afghanistan.

we will hear from general john campbell, commander of operation resolute on what the security situation could look in the future. that star live at 3:30 p.m. eastern also on c-span. sunday night on "q&a," the former emergency manager of the trade talks about issues and his job of overseeing the largest municipal bankruptcy in u.s. history. >> droid had $1.5 million that of our in thousand five at 2006, when the stock market went down to the 700 it had just invested in a index fund. not only had we tripled their money, we could have paid pensions in full and then get

back to the 13th check. it was a practice of giving pensioners a 13th check at the end of the year. they could have fixed it if there had been some silver management going forward, just like any organization in the united states as well. if you have strong leadership and focused leadership, you can resolve these problems but it takes a lot of effort. >> sunday night on q&a. c-span partners with the you -- with the new hampshire's union leader for the voters first forum. this was held in manchester. this is two hours. [applause] >> >> gautier, welcome to the 2016 voters first republican presidential forum.

this is sponsored by kcrg-tv and our broadcast partner c-span. we would like to thank our local sponsors, no labels, eastern bank, to live free or die a lot, and st. anselm college. you will hear from 14 republican candidates this evening. governor jeb bush, ben carson, chris christie, carly fiorina, governor bobby jindal, george pataki, and scott walker.

with us also our senator ted crews, senator rand paul, and senator margaret rubio. please welcome jack heath host of "new hampshire today." mr. heath: good evening. voters in our three states and the rest of america deserve to hear from all of these candidates tonight at the same time answering their questions. our time will be tight and we want from everyone. order of speakers was drawn randomly and we have asked canada's to skip their -- candidate to skip their e

intros. >> governor rick perry served as the governor of texas. mr. heath: we received thousands of responses from voters in her state, but the three states focusing. we asked what was most important to them, iowa, south carolina and new hampshire. what would your policy be toward illegal immigrants already in the u.s.? mr. perry: the cost that illegal immigration is having on our states. it is a serious wound. you want to stop the flow, and that is not what is happening. we have heard if we can deal

with this issue, if we will format then we will secure the border. now we are and plus-30 years of that. american people do not deal with washington to deal with this issue to the secure the border. last summer i looked in the president's ey ande said, if you do not secure the border texas will. we set our texas rangers and wardens, putting them in the river, and deployed our texas national guard. he saw a 74% decrease in the number of branches that were occurring -- in the number of apprehensions that were karen on the board. it takes security fencing. i am talking from tijuana to help house will -- to el paso,

see what is going on in identifying where there is activities are illegal. that is what you have to do. i know how to secure that order. if you elect me, the will to secure that border will reside in the oval office. mr. heath: so much is made of illegal immigration. should we reduce the number of green cards graded legally each year to focus wanting to get into the country through the legal process? mr. perry: we need to be smart about our immigration. the cannot keep up with people coming into the country. we know they can find a package halfway around the world with ups, and we cannot peo keep up with people who overstayed their visas. you need to fix the agency that

deals with people coming in here. people in this country that we eat in this country and those who have overstayed their visas you send them back. we will not be able to reduce the number until find out the number of people are in the country illegally. if we take care of that first, we can make a smart decision about what we need to do. mr. heath: george will said that biggest problem will be an economy with a 2% gdp. how can you make this country growth something greater than that? mr. perry: it is one of the reasons i am more than a passable expert on that because texas created more jobs than anybody in this room when i was governor. 1/3 of all jobs that were

created in america occurred when i was governor. tax policies that will let you keep more of what you work for a regulatory climate, and public school policies that were accountable that said to businesses you will find a skilled workforce. the way you do in america is intertwined to energy policy a north american energy policy. north america has more known resources that russia and saudi arabia, with the regulations place that drive the in contacts down and you can create a renaissance. mr. heath: thank you, governor perry. mr. perry: thank you. >> rick santorum represented pennsylvania from 1991 until 1995 in the house. mr. heath: should the federal

government subsidized any sector and which ones? mr. santorum: we have to make sure our sectors are competitive. one of the things i announced, if we are going to restore the center of america, we have to get american spectrum realty that we have to get americans back to work. wage growth has released stagnated. 74% of americans do not have a college degree and do not have manufacturing jobs. 20 million manufacturing jobs when reagan was president. we now have 11 million. if we do not allow our country to be competitive with the rest of the world, we will continue to see that the client and there is no struggling list. that is why i put our campaign square on, will make

effectuating competitive. he will put out a flat tax that will have a time that transitions for manufacturing. we will incentivize that money to calm into country. we will have repatriation. instead of depreciation, incentivize manufacturing. mr. heath: [indiscernible] mr. santorum: you also have the flat tax. income tax, corporate tax, all 20%. mr. heath: in new hampshire, if someone maxes out on public assistance, that is $14 an hour if they are out on the the, they may need that. massachusetts, $20. how do you subsidize americans who are on public assistance to go back to work? mr. santorum: i managed a bill on the senate.

we work with governors to. we put time limit and a work hard. we eliminated the only program that was eliminated. i was the leader. we should have done that for snap the other programs we did. governor lepa hasg done that. we got to create jobs. ewe got to create jobs for her to want to work but do not have a good enough paying job and benefits to motivate them to get off welfare program. a combination of manufacturing and putting time limits and work requirements on welfare. mr. heath: do you believe this president and administration want real border security? mr. santorum: i do not believe this administration is serious about protecting men and women.

the reality is wages for those workers have been flatlined for 20 years. he had never seen such decrepit wage growth, and who are the 90% of the people coming in legally and legally -- illegally? almost all unskilled workers. i am the only person in this race who calls for posting r verify. it is a serious problem. mr. heath: how should we deal with employers who hire illegal immigrants? mr. santorum: everify has to be legal. it was a tremendous opportunity last time around. the studies that are because last time everyone was saying we

were more conservative than mitt romney. mr. heath: thank you, senator. >> governor john kasich has served as governor of ohio since 2011. mr. heath: what would you do with sanctuary cities? mr. kasich: i think they will be eliminated. as a republican and democrat agreement. the order needs to be secured. there needs to be an expanded guestworker program. do it in a legal way. if the 12 million, we need to find out who they are if they are law-abiding, god-. -fearing folks. it is a reasonable guestworker program. they have to be put in prison.

we need to make sure we can protect against this country. once we put something into effect, anybody who comes in is be sent home. no one should be confused about it. mr. heath: you are a fan of nafta? has it been a net gain? mr. kasich: the america worker does not get protected, i have a friend who says foreign countries are dumping product destroying people's jobs. it takes two years to find out they are cheating. you cannot wait two years. somebody's family is being destroyed. it is conduct communities. i'm a free trader, but a fair trade if it makes sense, we will go forward with it, but we got to make sure you have a mechanism is to make people cheat that we called on to action. you asked about the economy i was chairman of the budget committee when we balance the federal budget.

our company took off. you remember in the late 1990's, we were growing. we cut taxes balance budgets. i become governor of ohio, we were eight$8 in thebillion in the hole. mr. heath: your answer on the federal question, balancing the budget. to paraphrase the question he and his wife have to do with a budget and they do not understand why washington is the antithesis. what faith can you get to that if you are elected that budget was balanced once before, but now has not happened -- how will washington do the same fiscal business when people have to live between groceries, heating, kids, how to get washington to live with the it'ss means?

mr. kasich: we need a balance budget amendment. it is about record in a culture. i there, spent 10 years in my life budget, because of thousands. when people have to balance their budgets, so should the government. we do not have the right to high on holiday bills from our children. that is immoral. i spent 10 years working on it. we got down with the clinton and his regime can do it again. it is politically challenging but the effort to get there is not that complicated. i have written only about 16 budgets, including one that ohio from eight dollars billion $8 billion in the hole.

my priority is to create jobs in america. mr. heath: thank you, governor. >> senator lindsey graham was elected to the u.s. house in 1990 and has served as a senator since 2002. mr. heath: how do we maintain free-trade that is fair trade, and what nations specifically are cheating us? senator graham: china is cheating. we do not do a thing about it. they are building islands on resource-rich territory. they cyber attack us, nobody pushes back. if i'm president, we will push back against china. a clenched fist and an open hand. mr. heath: certain nations have been accused of stealing and breaking into our databases in government and business. if it is president graham, how can we stop?

senator graham: you hit back. china cheats steel but we are being walked all over. i am tired of it. i want a clenched this and an open hand. mr. putin, you have a different people. why is he in ukraine? when obama did not do anything about china said let's grab all we can grab. in ukraine, he took all want. ukrainians, they do not think obama is going to use force at all. how can you get john kerry away from the negotiating table? with a crowbar. there are more terrorist organizations at any time since 9/11, and to radical islam, is my policy -- whatever it takes to defeat you. mr. heath: should we be army

troops in ukraine? senator graham: we should be arming ukrainians. who would do that in the future? on the ukrainians so they can fight for their future. take every bit of natural gas that he do not use and exported to europe and undercut putin's monopoly. we're on the road to becoming greece. if you do not think that, medicare best if you do not fix medicare and social security -- cleveland in the back of a liquor store. somebody in this country needs to do what ronald reagan and o'neill did get us together. i can give up benefits today because i will have a military retirement, a congressional

retirement, 401(k), i will take less because i know people need it more than i do. we got to work together and make things -- and that the things. mr. heath: americans in new hampshire are worried about terrorists, but the work tomorrow they already be here today. we have 500 satellite that control atm's. if somebody took out one of those satellites, would you respond? senator graham: to me that would be an act of war. as the threats grow, we are disarming ourselves. i have never seen so much, particularly in the cyber. what is a response? to have the smallest army since 1940, the smallest navy since

1950. only when we will prevent an attack on this country is hit them for the compare. as the hillary clinton, the last person in the world you want to send into the ring with russians is hillary clinton. to the clintons, i've been dealing with this crap for 20 years. i am fluent with clinton-speak. when bill says i did not have sex with that woman, he did. when she says i will tell you about bill and his guideline when heshe gets president, she will not. i understand this crap and i can be compared if we cannot beat them, it does not matter. mr. heath: thank you, senator. >> chris christie has served as governor of new jersey since 2010. mr. heath: i want to get to some questions that his home in new hampshire. as president, president ever

sanctioned the payment for the release of an american citizen held captive by terrorists?? governor christie: no. i fought against terrorism appointed before september 11. we encourage those folks i'm doing it. we cannot do it. mr. heath: maybe the message from that republicans are not great communityt communicators, we resume the most popular programs, they are going insolvent or will be broke. they will go understood. tell the americans they have to give something up they may like and not want to get up morsi custom is a tough message. how do you win an election and tell the truth on the formon reform? governor christie: you have to

have a plan. the american people here they understand you are doing mortgaging the way our children's future, we need to tell them we are living now much longer and better quality. that is a blessing. we need to increase the retirement age. i say two years over the next five years. we need to tell them are the most fortunate, we need to say to those folks d, we need those are things americans are willing to hear. the problem is us. we underestimate the american people. they have always risen to challenges that promise them better future. it is not the american people who are failing the incumbent system. it is the leaders who are feeling not telling them the truth. mr. heath: two grams, veterans in new hampshire that -- two

grams, veterans, we do not have a full-time v.a. hospital in new hampshire. governor christie: they should be able to take their car and go to any hospital in america and get treatment. they should not wait for a v.a. line. we should keep that promise to our veterans, we're not because the incompetence of this administration. let's get thate v.a. to get them to do what they need to do and let the american public step up to the plate, to honor veterans of like giving them health care reit on that health care we promised. mr. heath: heroin is one of the biggest crisis here. when the folks working he asked me if i would askre you. she wants to know why there is

not rehabilitation in prison, not more help for these addicts when they have to turn to prostitution to get more money to support their have? governor christie: there is in new jersey. we are the first time to say first on non-drug offenders, no prison. it is a disease, and the war on drugs has been a failure. we are looking at is a moral failing by people. everyone makes the sixth. but for the grace of god go i for those people who have been stricken with the disease of drug and alcohol addiction. what we need to do is embrace this people and say if you are not a violent offender, not dealing drugs to our children you need to get you treatment rather than prison. the fact is this can happen to anyone. people think this is somehow guided by socio-economic or

educational standards. anyone can have this happen to them. we need a president who will say this is a disease and we need to fix it. mr. heath: thank you, governor. >> dr. ben received his m.d. from the university of michigan medical school. mr. heath: dr. carson, you have been one of the folks who talked a lot early on about some of the faults of the affordable care act, or obamacare. the republicans have criticized -- what do you replace it with? you have problems in health care system. mr. carson: there is no question there quite it needs to be replaced before you repeal it. the reason that i do not like obamacare, first of all not so

much because it does not work and not so much because it is unaffordable, but really because it flies in the face of what we are as a nation, a nation that is of, four, and by the people. obamacare comes along with the government saying we do not cure people are saying. it is completely identical to the principles of the founding of this country. i would replace it with something that the power back in the hands of consumers and health care providers, health savings itaccounts, and we pay you for the same dollars that we use with judicial health care and get peaceful flexibility. you are $500 short-term or wife gave given to you, and it gives you enormous flexibility to cover almost anything.

and then your catastrophic health care costs less because nothing is coming out of for catastrophic health care. it is like a homeowners policy with a big deductible versus policy or want everything covered. works well for the majority people, not so well for the indigent. kindly take care of the indigent now? medicaid -- and will budget, $500 billion. $5,000 each man, woman, and child in america. what can you do with that, a concierge practice. still a couple thousand left over for catastrophic care insurance. about what happens -- washington would say you cannot get health savings account to the indigent because they would not be able to manage them.

they think everybody is like them. the fact is it is not too. they said that stance. people learn how to manage stampgood stamps. he is learning personal responsibility for your doing things that rather than dependency. mr. heath: some participants are in the senate because they had a vote tonight. planned parenthood -- the taxpayers fund planned parenthood? mr. carson: absolutely not. the reason the leos videos show the atrocities of that. let them find other depraved individuals to help them. mr. heath: we have another

doctor in the audience, dr. oscar green submitted this question, what is your game plan to reform the tax code? mr. carson: baseline on uiwho i consider to be the fairest individual in the universe -- god. there must be something fair about proportionality, that is what i do. it would have to be somewhere between 10% and 15% initially no deductions and notables. mr. heath: thank you. >> governor jeb bush served as the 43rd of florida. mr. heath: governor's america doing enough now to prevent another major terrorist attack on u.s. soil,