inee. i'm for free speech. i'm not for limiting free speech. when it comes to campaign finance reform, the best thing is disclosure. let folks know who is giving the money. i don't think the candidate with the most money wins. i think hillary clinton may have two billion dollars. i think the american people are smart enough not to elect her as president of the united states. mr. heath: you have 30 seconds to say anything you would like. mr. jindal: look, we thank you for having us. this is the most important election of our lifetime. this is about the future of america, getting off the path towards socialism. we have a great talker in the white house already. if talk is what we needed we would be on easy street. we need a doer, not a talker, we can't afford four more years of on-the-job training. i have the backbone. i have the experience, i have the bandwidth to get us through this. i'm asking you not to join just my campaign, i'm asking you to join a cause. let us believe in america again.

let us give more opportunities to our children than we inherited from our parents. a lot of candidates are running that are great talkers, we've had seven years of a great talker. let's elect a doer. god bless y'all. >> during his tenure in the senate, senator graham cut entitlements. mr. heath: senator graham, john mccain was on my show on friday, touting our foreign policy experience. i think he said of all the candidates running you have the deepest experience. mr. graham: when he is right, he is right. not always, but when he is right, he is right. mr. heath: let's put that to the testify. mr. graham: i won't mention the candidate that is not here. is there any scenario you think if your generals and advisors are saying maybe we should have gone earlier, if we go in places

in syria, we can knock isis back. if you know about this, is that a smart thing to do? why aren't we doing it if it is? mr. graham: you have a weak president that is more worried about campaign promises than dealing with the threats to our country. he was told by all of his commanders, don't leave iraq without a 10,000 residual force behind. john mccain and i begged him not to. everything we said has happened. it is hard, democracy is hard. look how hard it is for us. you expect these people to get everything right in 10 or 15 years? it won't happen. he was told by all of his advisors, you need to help the free syrian army while assad is on the rope, a no-fly zone. he said no thank you. he said isil is the j.v. teal. he drew a red line, and everybody thinks we are all talk. you need more troops in iraq. i have been to iraq and

afghanistan 35 times. i ask you to make me commander in chief. you need somebody who knows what they are doing. i have been a reservist. it will not be easy. we're going to have to go from 3500 to 10,000 to get iraq in a good spot. if you don't deal with syria we'll be hit here. it's the perfect platform to attack us. there is no ground component in syria. we spent $5$00 million to train 60 people. i would go to the turks, to egypt, to jordan, i would go to saudi arabia and say we're going to take your armies and integrate our forces in your armies and you will pay for this war, we paid for the last two. we'll pull the caliphate up and repair syria. if we don't they are coming here. there is no easy way forward folks. we won't balance the budget

without democratic support or fix immigration unless you get a bipartisan plan. i'm from the reddest of red states. my biggest sin is that i worked for democrats that tried to find arable -- a rational solution. i would suggest to you the best way to predict what i will do in the future is what i have done in the past. whatever it takes to defend the country. mr. heath: what should the federal minimum wage be? mr. graham: the federal minimum wage should not be increased. hillary clinton's list is a mile long of help the middle class. the middle class is somebody that can't go on vacation when the car breaks. the middle class has to make hard choices nobody else seems to make any more. i have been there. her definition, secretary clinton's definition of flat broke is different than mine. if after two terms in the white husband and your husband is

president you think you are flat broke, boy, have you lost your way? at 22 i was flat broke when my parents died within 15 months. i can't wait to get in the ring with her or joe biden, who is a fine man. if you want to turn around american foreign policy, the last two people you ought to ask is his vice president or former secretary of state. mr. heath: 30 seconds, senator. mr. graham: the next president needs to be sure of who or -- i'm sorry. i can't talk. the next president needs to have their act together. three problems. too many terrorists, too much debt, too few jobs. you need a strategy to put radical islam in a box and nail it shot. we can't do it without more troops. the debt is driven by the 80 million baby boomers. we are going to wipe out social security and medicare if we don't do anything about it.

i would do whatever it takes to save this program and this country. >> under ms. fiorina's leadership hewlett packard grew to become one of the biggest countries in the united states. mr. heath: how can we get past what happened in 2008. ms. fiorina: the financial crisis was caused by fannie mae and freddie mac. these were sponsored by republicans and democrats alike. they have not been reformed. 25 agencies were supposed to be minding the store and did not. democrats passed dodd-frank. dodd-frank caused 10 wall street banks too big to fail, have become five, more bigger, powerful wall street banks and thousands of community banks have gone out of business.

we need to repeal dodd-frank like we need to repeal obamacare and get about what we should have been doing years ago. reform freddie may and freddie mac. the government should not be in the mortgage business. the agencies that regulate the mortgage system should be competent. the regulators that are supposed to be minding the banking system are watching pornography and earning the same pay. this is not rocket science. it just never seems to happen. mr. heath: senator graham had some sobering words about perhaps iraq syria, troop commitment. i think americans -- i can't even begin to characterize what it is like to watch the beheadings and torture and what isis is doing to captives. we know about lone wolf terrorism. chattanooga, tennessee, and so

forth. fort dix. do the american people have the stomach to go to war, even if it is limited, to go to war in syria or iraq to fight this evil? ms. fiorina: president obama continuously provided to the american people the false choice. he says either you agree with what i'm doing or not doing or the option is to go to war. that is not true. there are many things we could and should be doing. first we must have the strongest military on the planet and everyone has to know it, which means we have to invest in fighting men and women and reneed to reform the department of defense. i would make two phone calls to netanyahu, to rea sure him we stand with israel. the second is the leader of iran. he may not take my call. he would get the message. until you allow any-time, anywhere inspections we'll make it difficult for you to move money around the global

financial system. why do i start with those things? knowing more world leaders on the stage today than anyone running with the possible exception of hillary clinton, i know our allies need a message from us we will stand with them and our adversaries need a message that we will confront you. in terms of isis, we have allies that know this is their fight. the king of jordan a good man the saudi, i know them, the kurds, the emrates, they know isis is their fight. they asked us for bombs, intelligence, and weapons, i would have a camp david summit and ask them what they need from us. yes, they may need more special forces but we need to show leadership, resolve, or support or our allies will lose courage. mr. heath: you have 30 seconds. ms. fiorina: i started as a secretary in a nine person real estate firm. i went on to lead the largest

technology country in the world. now i'm running for the president of the united states. my story is only possible in america. our nation is at a pivotal time. whatever your issue or cause or problem that you hope would be resolved, the political class haslett you down. margaret thatcher once said i'm not content to manage the decline of a great nation. neither am i. we need a president who understands the economy, the world, how it works, who is in it. bureaucracy and how to hold them accountable and cut them down to size. technology. i have a proven track record of challenging the status quo and problem solving. with your support and vote i will lead the resurgence of a great nation. mr. heath: thank you. >> senator santorum was a member of the gang of seven that exposed the congressional banking and post office scandals. mr. heath: senator, what should the president's role be in terming abortion policy in america.

mr. santorum: i believe that the supreme court of the united states has abused its authority. most recently in the gay marriage case. justice roberts said it best. there is no constitutional basis for this decision. roe versus wade, they said it was the same logic as dred scott. whose sign are you on? are you going to be on the side of lincoln? abraham lincoln said that decision cannot stand and they went on and passed a bill to free the slaves. are we suggesting we will be held by a supreme court that abraham lincoln wasn't held by when an unjust decision was handed down? in my opinion, we cannot be. mr. heath: is it time, this is from one of our folks, a voter. is it time to put a woman on the $20 bill, and if so, who? mr. santorum: i think carlie is a good choice. i like her. mr. heath: i thought you would say mrs. santorum.

mr. santorum: now you are going to get me in trouble. karen, i'm putting you. that's what i was thinking. mr. heath: let's shift gears. you agree it is time? mr. santorum: i think that's certainly appropriate. we have tremendous people, women of great accomplishment. i have no problem putting them on currency. mr. heath: why has it taken this long. do you support the marketplace fairness act from another voter marketplace fairness act, which requires internet businesses to collect sales tax. mr. santorum: i do not. mr. heath: what is going to happen if this push continues? how do you get across the message that taxing the internet might stifle growth. mr. santorum: what we don't need is more government texas. taxes. we need to go to a flat rate a simple system where you don't have any of the bells and whistles, no incentives. you don't need them if you have a low flat rate. mr. heath: i hear from small

business owners that feel at every level they are overburdened. some say they would not even start the business today. are we antibusiness in america and why? mr. santorum: everything that president obama has done with a pen and phone can be undone on day one with a pen. i would suspend every single executive order, regulation, rules interpretation that cost americans jobs. i would repeal them. if there was no purpose for them, or i would review them and make them more business friendly and friendly to american workers. this is all about jobs. this is all about creating opportunities for the folks in america that feel that neither party cares about them. democrats, all they want to do is give them money. republicans, you know, all of our emphasis is all about small business. i think small business is great. we need to do things to encourage small business. but 90% of workers in america

don't own or run their own business. they work for a living. we have to have an idea, a plan and a vision to put them back to work so they can rise, too. mr. heath: you have 30 seconds to address the voters. mr. santorum: as was mentioned i was a member of the gang of seven. i won my first race in a 60% democratic district against an incumbent. in a state of a million more democrats than republicans, i took out an incumbent? i did that because i was an effective reformer that stood for the people in this country no one else is standing for. i'm the only person in the race that ran in a presidential year with a president on the ticket that lost the state, and i won. president bush lost by four and i won by five. no won has done that. it's hard in a presidential election. none of these gentlemen have won in an election year. if you want a winner, you have to have someone that will stand with the american people that has a record of reform and

accomplishment to get things done and i have that record. mr. heath: thank you, senator. mr. santorum: thank you. >> as governor of ohio, governor kasich has made a surplus and cut taxes. mr. heath: what is a major issue with which you will say tonight you disagree with the republican party, your own party on? where is your party wrong? mr. kasich: i'm not here to criticize my party. what i will tell you is i think that economic growth is not just an end unto itself. i think it is very important with economic growth comes responsibility and the ability to help people that live in the shadows, whether they are mentally ill or drug addicted. we have the mayor of manchester fighting a tsunami. all over the country are the working poor. what i have tried to emphasize is economic growth, the creation of jobs is our most important moral purpose. once that is accomplished we need to reach out to people that have traditionally lived in the

shadows. in my state, ohio, we usually find out the results of an election three days later, i had the second largest victory in modern ohio history with 60% of women, 51% of union households, 26% of african americans. our whole purpose has to be to give everybody a sense that the american dream is alive. that we all can rise. whether we are drug addicted or ill or developmentally disabled, whether we have never been given the attention we need as made in the image of the lord. so i would not disagree with any of my colleagues on that. i think we all have a heart for that. it is something our party needs to talk more about so people across the country understand that we get them. sometimes, jack, our problem is people don't necessarily think we get them. but you know, thank god my father carried mail on his back and his father was a coalminer my mother could barely speak

english. you are in touch with folks, their anxieties and concerns want. people want to know you get them. mr. heath: governor, in a few days there will be a debate in cleveland. mr. kasich: lebron will be moderating it, i understand. mr. heath: you got in the race late. a lot of your colleagues here. some are pretty impressive folks. why did you feel there was an opening for john kasich. you have run before. why did you get in this time with such a large field? mr. kasich: jack, look. i have received blessings, most of us here have been very, very blessed. when you get that way, you have to figure out what your purpose is in life to make the world a little better place. it took me a while to get in this because i didn't get in this just to do it. i got in it to win. if i didn't think i could win i wouldn't do it. the reason i'm doing it is frankly, i have been a servant in terms of government, you know, government responsibility,

a lot of my adult life. i spent ten years in the private sector. i got a calling back to my state to help fix my state. guess what. we went from the loss of 350,000 job to the gain of it. our credit going up. people living in the shadows have hope. we cut taxes by five billion dollars. so you know, we diversified our economy, jack. the most importantening is give people a sense that we get them, everybody can be included and we liftsh, nobody cut out. mr. heath: you have 30 seconds to address the voters. mr. kasich: i have been listening. balancing the budget. how are you going to do it. we did it. when i left washington, we had a five trillion surplus, the economy was booming. we cut taxes on risk taking and investments. so it is not about what i think we can do. it is about what i have already done. i served on the armed services committee and have great respect for senator graham. i was there when we changed the way the military operates to get

the services to work together. so reform the pentagon. i have national security experience. we went from eight billion in the hole to two billion in the black. for people in ohio, hope has come back to the buckeye state. thank you, i love being here. we'll see you soon. mr. heath: thank you governor. >> as governor governor christie achieved health benefit reforms. mr. heath: the question i asked someone earlier, governor, is a question about the presidents, now maybe he regrets it, calling isis a j.v. team and now they are a bigger threat. do you have a plan to take on that direct terrorist organization and defeat them or is it a movement that we have to be realistic, it will be here longer than we may want? mr. christie: i think the answer is yes to both. this will be a long battle

whether you are talking about isis or al-qaeda or the other radical islamic forces across the world. the plan has to be very direct and clear. we need to get our allies in the middle east engaged in a major way. the jordanians and the saudis, they want to be engaged and believe this is an exostential threat to them. we need to make sure they are armed and trained. we need to share human and electronic intelligence with them and we need to provide them air cover and cooperation to make their attempts to target these folks correct. mr. heath: you may get the energy award of campaigning in new hampshire. i heard a lot about your town hall events. i hear you stay late and answer the questions. that's the point. mr. christie: i'm like the bad relative you invite for thanksgiving. i come early and stay late. mr. heath: of all the candidates in new hampshire are staying long and often. but some people that observed this say that your best time to

run may have come and gone. i would like to know what makes a lot of you tick to make such a big decision. mr. christie: are you saying i'm washed up? mr. heath: no. but if you are going to open the door, i will take it. you have gone through battles in new jersey. i'm sure it is a family decision for all the candidates. it is an incredible undertaking. why now? what was the decision in your house. mr. christie: no one should run for president until they can look in the mirror and say when they are ready. when folks approached me i was honored but i wasn't ready. i had been governor about 16 months in new jersey. i was not ready. so i look this time, four years later in the mirror, and everything that happened to me in the last four years, good and bad, made me better, made me better prepared. the decision is about whether in your heart and mind you are ready to lead the greatest country in the world during some of the most difficult times we ever faced. if that answer is not unequivocally yes, you have no

business going to the american people to ask for their vote. i'm ready. mr. heath: ready for 30 seconds? mr. christie: sure. i come from one of the bluest states in america. 42 years since new jersey elected a republican to the united states senate. longest streak of any state in the nation. in 2009, against an incumbent that outspent me $33 million to $11 million, we beat him and took on a budget deficit, balanced it, cut taxes, and now after eight years of no private sector job growth in new jersey before i became governor. 192,000 new jobs. and most importantly the people in new jersey know when i say i'm going to do something, i'll do it. when i say i won't, i won't. we need that kind of clarity in the united states again and in the oval office. i thank for your vote. >> as governor of new york government pataki lived through the worst terrorist attack on

american soil on september 11, 2001. mr. heath: governor, that introduction is where i was going to go. seems like a lot of years ago. in some respects, i imagine for you and others, it seems like yesterday. mr. pataki: it seems like yesterday. mr. heath: how did it change your life? mr. pataki: it changed it completely. on september 11 i was governor. it wasn't an abstract thing to see and hear about radical islam. i walked the streets, i could taste the dust and ash in the air. i comforted families that lost loved ones. i vowed that i would do, if i ever had the opportunity everything i could to protect us from radical islam and another terrorist attack. we are not doing that today. isis poses a very clear threat to us. not just with a major attack, but what they are doing here, tweeting, recruiting, jihaddists, you know, we just had the tragic incident in chattanooga. the obama administration says we're going to not have our marines put on arms, they are

going to take off their uniform. my view is very simple. we cannot bow down to islam anywhere. certainly not in the united states. we should have our marines not take off their uniforms, but put on their guns. we should be proud to be here. we have to be proactive against isis in the middle east. i went back and read the september 11th commission report. just a couple months ago. they had what we must do in the future to prevent another attack. they actually had a section that said if, for example, iraq becomes a failed state, and radical islam rises there, we have to use all of the might of america to destroy it. well, today isis has training camps. we distributement centers, social media capability. hundreds of millions of dollars people with western passports, we can't be passive. we have to arm the kurds directly. they are took place on the front

line. instead of telling egypt to get better on human rights, help their military fight isis and we should go in and destroy the recruiting centers before they have the chance to attack us here again. mr. heath: quickly, lightning question. is there a limit to second amendment protection in your mind? mr. pataki: i don't think we should change the second amendment. the problem is mental health. we have to do a lot more to enforce mental health laws. mr. heath: governor, 30 seconds. mr. pataki: in my lifetime, i don't think i have ever seen americans more divided than today. a great republican president abraham lincoln said a house divided against itself cannot stand. we need to win this election. we need to do it not bipolar bipolarizing but by uniting the american people behind good, intelligent conservative limited government policies. i know i can do it because i did it three times in new york the most blue state in america, with

more than three million democrats. we can win this election by bringing the american people together behind us. if i run, i promise you i will do that and take america's government back for the people. thank you. mr. heath: thank you governor. >> while jeb bush was governor of florida. 80,000 businesses were started and 1.3 million jobs created. mr. heath: governor bush. common core curriculum is controversial in new hampshire. should state and local school boards reject national educational standards? mr. bush: they should. states should create standards they should be state driven and locally implemented. the federal government should have no role in the creation of standards, no role in the creation directly or indirectly. the federal government's role in education ought to be to provide support for states that won't

reform. government jindal created some amazing reform in louisiana. his money cannot be used to enhance the reforms. the federal government should not have a say on standards, we need higher standards, school choice, ending social promotion, a plan to make sure more than a third of the kids are college or career ready. mr. heath: i differ than my sister greatly on politics. you have a brother that is well-known, and a dad, a father that was president. do you feel when you talk with voters you have to differentiate yourself philosophically from the former presidents? mr. bush: people get this. by your point, around the kitchen table, your sister doesn't agree with you on things, and so i have a different view than my brother. my dad is probably the most perfect man alive. it is hard for me to be critical of him. i have a t-shirt that says, the jeb swag store that says my dad is the greatest man alive.

if you don't like it, i will take you outside. mr. heath: a final word? mr. bush: first of all, i'm impressed with the caliber of the people that are running for president. every person that participated in this debate is better than any of the democrats running. so i'm honored to be a candidate and believe that we are on the verge of the greatest time to be alive. we have to fix a few things. if we do, this country will take off and i have the skills to make it happen. mr. heath: that is it. thank you very much, everyone. >> that concludes this evening's >> tomorrow, federal prison oversight. the hearing is held by the senate homeland security committee and it starts live at 10:00 a.m. eastern here on c-span. then, remarks from the chancellor of the university of north carolina at chapel hill. she will speak about college affordability of the national

press club, and you can see the comments live at 1:00 p.m. eastern. after that, the brookings institute holds a discussion on the future of afghanistan after the u.s. combat mission in that country ended in 2014. we will hear from general john campbell, commander of operation resolute support on what the security situation could look like in the future. it starts live at 3:30 p.m. eastern, also on c-span. sunday night on "q&a," former emergency manager of detroit talks about the financial issues and his job overseeing the largest municipal bankruptcy in u.s. history. >> if detroit had taken that $1.5 billion in 2005 2006, when the stock market went down, and just invested in an index fund,

whatever they would be trading almost three times what it was. they would have tripled their money. they could have paid the pensions in full and got back to the 13th check at the end of the year in addition to the 12 year to. they could have fixed itself if there had been some sort of sober management going forward just like any organization. if you have some strong leadership you can resolve these problems. it takes a lot of effort. >> sunday night on c-span's "q&a." next c-span partners with the new hampshire union leaders for the news tapers -- the newspapers voters first four. all republican candidates were invited to take part. this is two hours.