human trafficking. plus, your phone calls, facebook comments, and tweets. host: good morning everyone. 14 gop candidates running for president dissipated and last night's first voter forum and new hampshire. now it is your turn to give us your take on what you saw yes -- last night and your view of the candidates. here is how we are dividing the lines. republicans (202) 748-8001. independent (202) 748-8002. if you are a republican voter

and iowa, south carolina or new hampshire, (202) 748-8003. the website or send us an e-mail. one of the local papers out of new hampshire that cosponsor the event courtesy of museum. gop.ca meets the all eyes turned to the nation's primary state as republican candidates take the stage. each cast themselves as the most qualified candidate. -- candidates took terms took turns answering questions about pressing domestic issues and they criticized the iran nuclear deal and funding for planned parenthood and the affordable care act. 11 where in new hampshire. senators, tedan

cruz, rand paul and marco rubio. they were in town for that vote on cutting funding and planned parenthood. each of them participated for around of q&a one-on-one. they did two rounds of questions and the other candidates were sitting in the audience. view of these gop candidates? . this is from the iowa paper. also another cosponsor of last night's event. gop hopefuls foul repeals. it says in a nationally televised voters first forum, it refers to public and speed of the one after another candidates called for repealing the tax code. the dodd frank act.

the affordable care act here is senator ted cruz from last night on repeal efforts. >> senator ted cruz would you agree that republicans might have been blamed because it did not come up. had they maybe obamacare never would have been passed. i want to know your thoughts on that. and are there any parts of the afford the character you take are worth keeping? sen. cruz: there is no doubt we need common sense of care reform. i think it ought to expand competition, empower patients and disempowered government bureaucrats from getting in between us and our doctors. the best way to do that are three concrete ideas, number one, allowing people to purchase health insurance across state lines so that you can have true

national marketplace and low cost catastrophic health insurance. number two, as dr. ben carson talked about, expanding health savings accounts so that you can save for more routine health needs and number three, working to make health insurance affordable -- the linking it from employment so that if you lose your job your health insurance stays with you. everyone of those in power station empowers. obamacare has been a manifest disaster. inurance companies have put this year for premium increases of 51%, iowa 30%, south carolina, 33%. millions of americans have lost their jobs, health care -- i have been proud to lead the fight, to stop obamacare and -- in the united states senate against the washington cartel and there are a lot of politicians in washington that have largely given up.

they do not believe obamacare can be repealed, including, sadly, a fair number of republicans. i don't believe that. i intend to make 2016 a referendum on repealing obamacare and if i'm elected president we'll repeal every word of obamacare and pass common sense health insurance reform to make it personal, portable and affordable. host: texas senator ted cruz participating in less the's voter forum. affordable care act and vowing to repeal every word of it. read getting your word on this. that is how we are dividing the lines this morning. republican styling in. . independent's we want to hear from you as well. (202) 748-8002. if you live in new hampshire,

and you are republican your line is (202) 748-8003. this is another headline. the associated press from last night's forum. they frame it as gop hopefuls take on illegal immigration in debate preview. several candidates answering questions on immigration. here is the ohio governor john kasich on this issue. a we will get to that in just second. we will show you what he had to say on immigration but the associated press reports this. that rick perry, who may not qualify for the upcoming debate called the flow of immigrants crossing the border illegal a serious wound. he says his republican rivals watched from the front row of the college auditorium. parry charged, you go find them.

you pick them up and send them back from where they are from. the former pennsylvania senator went further calling for a 25% reduction of low skilled immigrants illegally. let's go to donna in new york. good morning to you, donna. >> good morning and thank you for c-span. i appreciate it that you show the candidates right out of the chute. i have not made up my mind yet about whom i would choose but that was a good start last night. concerned about electing our first woman president i think carly fiorina would be a good choice did right out of the gate, president or vice president. i think they need to seriously look at her. i was leaning toward cruise or a rant before. now i have my eyes open to john kasich. i think he has qualifications

for many reasons. role, hehat dual certainly has a lot of experience. the ones that i mentioned. i would not rule out some of the some of them were obviously struggling. think the ones the meeting has held up as a role model's artist are the ones i would work for. i wouldn't even consider those gentlemen. host: why not? caller: because i just see them they talk about soundbites. i wasn't impressed with what he said and why he thought he could be president.

to look in the mirror and say, can i do this job. i thought that was kind of a silly thing. bush, he can be his own person, but i think he is kind of flip-flopping on the issues. common court to meet was a very strong point and i don't know. he talks a good story. i think several candidates made good points. can get people up there and they can talk a good story but let's see what they have done. ted cruz stood right up there along with rand paul in particular. they have done what they said they would do. those candidates that you saw, which one do you think could go head-to-head in a general election matchup if the democratic nominee is hillary clinton? host: it is too early for me to determine but i would certainly love to see the two women go

head-to-head. that would be fine for me. i'm not saying i would backer at this point in time but it certainly would be interesting it would show the world there is more than one woman out there who can do the job. host: that is the argument that carly fiorina made less light when on the stage. post and career" of south carolina has the headline as well. the senator from south carolina and the gop rival bashed clinton and the democrats weighing in on immigration, drugs and other policies. look what carly fiorina had to say on the clintons. i think that hillary clinton thinks they are political inconveniences. they are far more than that. she lied about benghazi. they knew that it was a purposeful terror attack on the anniversary of 9/11. she went to the people and talked fiction about the videotape.

well lied about her servers and the kinds of information she had on her server and why she kept everything on a single device. here is the thing. in order to be hillary clinton or whoever the nominee turns out to be we need a nominee on our side who will throw every punch. fight for the future of this nation and the character of this nation and we know that sometimes the right questions to not get asked in a presidential debate. host: that is carly fiorina talking about hillary clinton and taking her on. linda in florida, independent. what do you make of these gop candidates? caller: go rand paul, go. i thought that he was wonderful. he presented his case in asus synced way.

concise and hed has wonderful ideas and he is the only one who pulls the best against hillary clinton. that he is the best one for the job. a lot ofive out here your 20-year-olds and 30-year-olds are rand paul fans. so he can get that demographic between 18 and 34 which is what we definitely need to win. thus -- those of us or independents -- wheeling for him as well. we need him as well. he is my favorite. i definitely believe in the bill of rights.

i think the bill of rights as a whole have been trampled under barack obama. i love his ideas about education and like i said my age group and my friends and my family are all in that 18 to 34 and a graphic and we care a lot about education. we like his open-mindedness, his ideas are different than what a lot of other republicans are pushing and he believes in these ideas. hey come from his heart and has been working on them ever since he entered the senate he said what he is going to do and he does it. god bless him yesterday for putting forth the defund planned parenthood vote even though i lean libertarian i do believe this country is probably moving more toward a pro-life stance. defundn that vote to planned parenthood it was actually a procedural vote. in order to move to the ville

they had to take a culture vote to go to debate. democrats blocked it and senate democrats protect funding for planned parenthood. they said that the vote was largely symbolic since it was clear that republicans did not have the super majority needed to move forward. conservatives in the house and the senate vowed to block passage of the 2016 spending bell. threatenedouse has to veto any legislation that would end funding for the legislation. -- organization. this is how the vote broke down last night. noted thatgton post there were 51 republicans and two democrats that voted yes for that. that is 51 republicans. the two democrats senator donnelly. the 46 broke down this way.

42 democrats plus independent's bernie sanders and angus king and then a republican from illinois he voted yes and mitch mcconnell the majority leader switched his vote the yes to this issue could come back up in the fall. eddie from pennsylvania, an independent, good morning to you. we are talking about less light's debate, what are your view of the candidates. carsonked fiorina and and ted cruz and i liked the way that they come across. i think it cannot be too liberal. he can't be too conservative either. you have to move toward the center. >> too many problems in this country. people are causing them.

because it for themselves and it comes back on everybody else. the should not pay them to have babies. max, you are on the air. caller: i am not very impressed by what i saw. i have been watching all of the candidates on c-span and it just seemed like their answers to everything were basically things from their previous stump speeches. they reached up on a shelf and found the line that they thought might fit and gave it for an answer. that really disappointed they didn't give any new ideas things they the have said before. it was kind of pathetic. >> william in georgia, i republican, what is your view of the republican candidate to >> i like them all. i just have one question.

the thing -- that i am disillusioned with is they get all this money from the political action committees and by the time they go to washington they are held hostage by all of these promises they have made. i wish we could have carly fiorina with trump's money. with the money he is on the outside and does not have to follow the system that has been going for the last 40 to 50 years. ?o what do you do host: did you watch list night? caller: no, i did not. i'm sorry. host: so who are your favorite candidate? caller: there are some that i like. but they said can anybody be hillary clinton. the only people that will vote for hillary are the ones that

went the freebie. they have also the same thing for the same 50 years. they never fix anything. jane in indiana, and independent. hello jane. >> i want to call and congratulate c-span for the fine showing less night. i really appreciate the staff and the people from new hampshire that put this on. -- i amhat it gave me energized by a. because people are speaking out and fox can have their program but it is also highest. so being an independent i really liked carly fiorina last night. i had seen her interviewed a couple of times. experience and knowing world leaders it is so impressive. her business of knowledge and it managing budgets -- i don't know

what else we need right now. we have to do that before we can help others that we would like to help in our society. thank you so much. i appreciate it. host: before you go, what about the front runners. and how they did last night and jeb bush and scott walker? much attentionng to anybody who has been in politics for a career. i cannot do that anymore. host: ok. caller: if they spent most of their time in politics they will not get my vote to host: that is jane in indiana. 11 of the candidates were in new hampshire last night and they took to the stage one by one. three senators, ted cruz, rand were at theco rubio c-span studios because they were in town for that vote on planned parenthood. she was just talking about some of these front runners like jeb bush and scott walker was she

says she will not vote for anybody who has been a politician. was person who is not a politician who was not there last night was donald trump. did not participate in less light's forum and he told the union leaders, the new hampshire union leader, no endorsement? no-show. this is the story they had. donald trump is still not participating in the forum. he says it is because he thinks he is unlikely to get that new hampshire union leader's endorsement and thinks there are too many candidates for one event. as many of you know on thursday night fox will have the first debate and only 10 of the candidates who are pulling the highest in the polls will make the deadline today. 10, they willp get to participate.

they said right now that means it is looking unlikely that rick perry will make the stage for that foxnews debate. this is what jeb bush had to say less night. was one of his answers in the fight against isis. >> if i would take the advice of the military very seriously we need a strategy first. this president has two times admitted we don't have a strategy as it relates to isis. i think we need special forces. the idea of boots on the ground i'm not sure is necessary but special forces and bedding our troops and traders here in the army trimming them at a much faster rate. we spent a half $1 billion to have 60 people ready to go. effort we a serious need to treat it seriously. engaging in the world, creating alliances with our traditional

arab nations and supporting it with air power and military power and creating a strategy and sticking with it. is final thing i would say that there needs to be a political element to this as well. the united states is not trusted because no one has a sense that we will be around. it is hard to engage with everyone because they will not make the commitment. >> we are getting your thoughts on that first voter forum in new hampshire. c-span cosponsor the event along with the local sprint and tv stations there. what is your view of the candidates. republican candidates after last night. republicans (202) 748-8001. independents (202) 748-8002. if you are a voter and one of these early states (202) 748-8003.

fayetteville, arkansas. lauren is next. good morning to you. caller: good morning. first-time caller. i was thoroughly impressed with the whole field. it is a great field of candidates. to hear carly,ng she came off real well and george pataki impresses me. i don't know anything about him but he stands out to me and ted cruz. he wants to fight the establishment. so it is a good field. i think one of them said that any one of those is better than what the democrats are offering up and i can see where the democrats could look at this field and maybe cross over because what the democrats were offering for the democratic voters is not a lot. lauren is happy with what he sees on the republican side. >> but the wall street journal

reports this morning that unhappy voters shake up the contest rate this is from a new poll that found that an unhappy and on satisfied electorate is giving space to unhappy candidates and changing the context of both parties. donald trump has moved to the top of the republican field while bernie sanders has gained ground among democrats. anricans are taking unusually sour view. jeb bush is losing ground among the most conservative voters, hillary clinton is you do more negatively now that almost any time in her career and mr. trump inspires more negative feelings than any other major candidate. among democrats mrs. clinton's need remains controversial. as well as rising interest in mr. sanders and signs that vice president joe biden may consider

a run. take a look at some reaction on twitter to the forums. this is what the democrats were tweeting out with a picture of the senators who joined the forum via satellite from the scene -- c-span studios. marcos why rand paul said rubio and ted cruz are not in new hampshire tonight. >> they said sorry we could not be here, too busy raging -- waging war on women tell. they said we need a history of standing up to the cartel. >> and also on twitter carly fiorina sing that this is the fight for the future of the nation and the character of the nation. we are getting your view on the candidates. >> michael in miamisburg ohio. a republican. how do you think your governor did. say that youke to are better looking and blue but you cannot wear it all the time. presently, i am a minister

in southwestern ohio. donald trump is who i want to talk about. he wasn't there and you just talked about him but none of the callers everybody knows if he runs it will be a closed door. he will pack his stuff and moved into the white house. understand why he wasn't the gop didn't get into all of that whole deal. and it doesn't want him on stage with them because he will chew them up and spit them out. host:s all i have to say what about your own governor. >> he is a great man. >> everybody on that geo's just gop stages all great people. >> would you vote for him? trump -- romney was my

-- wouldn'the was talk to romney because they will not let their egos down to take that white house. let them move in together as copresidents. not vice presidents. they are copresidents. host: sandra and baton rouge, louisiana. how do you think your governor did? that ini really feel his presentation it is something we have all heard before when she ran in his last bid for governor. we heard that going in and i feel it is the same line that he gave all of us. he is a very sharp young man and he is easy to get people to be swindled into his beliefs. when you look at his record in louisiana at the other candidates and the news agencies

come a if you look at his record in louisiana you will see that he has affected the education system, our health care system and our elderly in a negative way. advancementen no toward improving our education or to improve our health care he has only been out to hurt them. the elderly he is not for and people in other states need to agencieshat our news say here and they write in the opinion section of the paper. most of those are true. we really need to consider looking at this candidate as something that would be negative. he was not here during most of our sessions. issue rules for our stay and he was out and about

traveling with the taxpayers. he was out traveling around the world and the united states trying to raise money for this particular thing he is running for. nolan.com youo to will have coverage of less i's form and bobby jindal makes his first appearance in a presidential campaign for him. three taking points. he stuck to his talking points. barry and ohio, what is your view? caller: good morning. the best speaker for the republicans is clearly carly fiorina. how to get things done, she knows how to pay bills. she knows how to get revenue. seen of whati have

the rest on the stage, are just career functions. all they know is how to be politicians. mes far she has impressed far more than the other candidates. post: what is it about politicians? you have senators and governors running. what is it about them that rules them out for you? caller: what they do when they get to washington and when they is running for an office they say the same things. nothing gets done. and i don't think they really care. host: so why not donald trump? think he is doing it to

show i think he will take votes me, from republicans and to he is a detriment right now. host: that is very in ohio. politico's coverage and verified takeaways. they are reporting online today and they write that it was a trump free zone. roughly an hour before the candidates to stage wmr released a new hole showing that donald trump has opened up a significant lead in new hampshire for the first time. a new survey showed him tracking at 26% more than doubling his closest rival scott walker. when the republican hopefuls trotted out trump was not among them for two hours not a single person muttered the real estate mogul by name. one of the other takeaways, the

low tier candidates hit hillary the hardest. we show you what carly fiorina had to say and the comforts own that ted cruz did well in the environment. he remained calm and cool but then they write this. the only question is whether he is too good. cadences,s practiced dramatic pauses and an eight theatricality add to his authenticity or undermine it. easy for me to say. do duck, a republican, what you think of these candidates? >> i think these candidates were excellent but i thought the arena stood out the most. punch of whatthe needs to be done and i like the george bush and even

bobby came about. this, when you want to fight for something is important. aboute didn't mention trying to upgrade them to class.class to a higher cut out some of these higher taxes and -- like the important stuff. you have to make sure that people do not come over here and attack us. like sometimes we can stop but we cannot stop everything. host: all right. john in st. petersburg, your thoughts? fiorinank carly outshined the field by a mile as the only non-politician in their

last night other than ben carson. if it were not for trump i think carly fiorina would be doing rather well. he is the only other non-politician in the race and he is crowding us out with this theatricality. host: dr. ben carson, though? caller: i don't know what to say about ben carson. i think he is a very intelligent and recent man i don't think he belongs in there. i think a lot of americans feel that you maybe a cabinet level position or some such for someone else. but carly fiorina just outshined everyone with her tremendous experience in a very cutthroat field. running hp was no joke. i think she defended herself extremely well from press

questions about her golden parachutes and other things. i think she was prepared as you would expect to see and i think that were it not for trump she would be way up in the polls by now. post headlinegton about dr. ben carson. they noted his answer on the obamacare law. he said he would replace it before repealing it. wantsgton post said he called the law the worst thing since slavery. ,ohn in petersburg, florida what did you make of your former governor? >> no. i am sorry. i have been a florida resident with jeb and he lost me with that terri schiavo thing. he lost the permanently and completely with embarrassing that family the way he did for political purposes. i will never forget he and the

speaker of the house running back and forth between the senate and house playing those games and he sickened me. i thought michael schiavo was embarrassed and it was very hurtful. anduld never go near him marco rubio is just a coke brother republican. i cannot cotton that. i'm looking for someone outside the system. someone who is not familiar with everyone and washington and that is carly. she is not expecting anything. workw was she expected to -- some look at president obama tenure and say he had not been in washington long enough that he wasn't familiar with how you have to talk and communicate with capitol hill and that led to a lot of challenges.

if she doesn't know how washington works and how to get things done? do you have any concerns with that? >> i have none and i was a big barack obama supporter. however i cannot agree more that six years into his term that i will never experiment with emotion and passion the way that i did with barack obama in 08 and again in 12. he just wasn't ready. he had no rolodex. he wasn't even hillary clinton at the time. he had no contacts, he was an outsider and a loner. and what at ready great speaker he was and he just kind of bold us all over -- carly on the other hand running a major corporation in the technology field the way she did, she knows washington. she knows politicians and

lobbyists and she knows what she is up against. >> that is john. take away from politico unless by's forum in new hampshire, they say the desperation is beginning to show. the lewinskyto hit button was one example of a lower tier candidate desperate to find a breakthrough moment. look at what the south carolina senator had to say about the clintons. >> americans in new hampshire are worried about lone wolf terrorists. they're worried about isis. but the word tomorrow may reb here today. we're 500 satellites that control atms, gps. if someone took out a satellite and caused chaos here in the city of the heartland as president graham, would you respond to that as an act of war? >> to me that would be an act of war. as the threats of this country grow we are disarming ourselves. i have never seen more threats

so what is our response? to cut the military budget and have the smallest army since 1940. the smallest navy since 1915. to neuter the fbi, the cia and the nsa when we need them the most. the only way we will prevent an attack on this country is to hit them before they come here. lastr hillary clinton the person you are to send into the ring is hillary clinton. as for the clintons i have been dealing with them for 20 years. i am fluent in clinton. when bill says i didn't have sex with that woman. he did. what he says is i will tell you about bill -- building the pipeline means she won't. and when she tells us you have all of the e-mails that you need we haven't even scratched the surface. >> i understand this crowd and i can beat them. if we cannot beat them it doesn't matter. posts: that is south carolina senator lindsey graham from the

forum. many of you mentioned carly fiorina. sandy says that carly fiorina your desk clearly secured at minimum a vp slot and then there is this from laura was his people are so impressed with her running hp almost to bankruptcy and getting booted? why. now to marry in tennessee a republican. caller: i have been watching all of this and first off, i am a republican but i am for donald trump. and totally trump. he is different. he cuts to the bone. politicians,hese many who are elitist. they act elitist and that sorry rap sitting in the white house is the world's number one terrorist.

he has given everything to the muslims. host: you're going to a road that we don't want to go down. but try to keep this conversation civil this morning and avoid name-calling. not necessary. the caller did mention donald trump and this issue of immigration that keeps popping up given what the billionaire had to say about illegal immigrants. many of the candidates last night also weighing in on that. and the gope hopefuls taking on illegal immigration. look what john kasich had to say on the topic. [video clip] >> governor what would you do with the so-called sanctuary cities. we saw that god-awful murder of an illegal immigrant >> we saw republicans and democrats in agreement there. the border needs to be secured in the midst of the expanded programs but to do it in a legal

way. with the 12 million we need to find out who they are and if they are law-abiding god-fearing folks they will have to pay a penalty. reasonablet is guesswork program and those were the 12 million, if they violate the lot they will have to be deported and put in prison. clearly needime we to make sure that we can protect who gets in and out of this country. once we put something into effect like that anybody who comes in has got to be sent home and no one should be confused about it. hampshire last night where a 11 candidates were on the stage participating in the first voter for him. three senators participating from washington as they stayed back for that vote on plant parenthood funding. what are your thoughts on these candidates? we are asking republicans, republican and

voters in those early voting states. ok go. host: jimmy, you are on the air. caller: i was wondering -- host: you have to be ready to go here. we will go to john and cincinnati. >> ir: how are you doing? jeb bushg that we need because he is the only one who can deal with isis. host: frank. what do you think of the republican candidates? caller: i think we have the best group of republican candidates than we have had in my lifetime and i am 65 years old. i believe it was jeb bush who said anyone of them would be better than any of the democrats running and i would say definitely better than the one we have in the white house. there is a man that i did not

see i only some part of it i don't think he was on the stage. jim gilmore. i haven't heard much from him. i only heard him one time but i was really impressed with his resume and i would like to hear more of him. but i would like to mention something was said just a minute ago about obama's lack of experience. his lack of experience was not his problem. his policies were. it wasn't that he could not communicate it's that he refused to communicate with anybody. it was all his mindset and his way or the highway. host: frank, you are wondering white jim gilmore wasn't there, we told you i donald trump wasn't there. he told the new hampshire union's he is likely not to get their endorsement so he decided not to join and because he thought there were too many candidates participating. this is from the wall street journal, mike huckabee did not respond to

an invitation and former virginia governor jim gilmore missed the deadline to register according to the union leader, one of the cosponsors of last night. we will go to jimmy next and georgia. a republican. go ahead. voting i have been republican and i'm 65 years old i have been voting all my life. if you think about it, they talk about this man -- when he came into office, what was going on? ,nemployment, the car industry two wars. right now all the republicans do is talk about what he has done or hasn't done. the man is getting ready to leave office. asking republicans and independents and republicans in those early primary states to tell us their view of the field

and how they might vote. indy in louisiana. good morning. caller: i'm just wondering white donald trump didn't show up. i heard you answer that question already. you said there were too many candidates. >> he said that and that he was unlikely to get the endorsement from the new hampshire union leader. w m you are yesterday cannot with a poll showing that he has a significantly. he is at 26%. >> i saw that. i guess ben carson was the favorite up their because i think he hit the nail on the head when he talked about being divided and everything going on in the country. runoff we will have a between bernie sanders and donald trump. that is my prediction for the future. your aarty and maryland,

republican good morning to you, you are on the air. >> good morning, first time caller to c-span. thought i would echo in. i would have to echo with the first color. john kasich and carly fiorina and maybe scott walker were the top three but i don't believe this is a political battle i don't believe this is a religious battle i think this is a spiritual battle and i think john kasich is not afraid at all to invoke the name of the lord. i think carly fiorina he -- fiorina she has come to death's door facing cancer and overcome it and i think she has a strong belief and knowledge of who her god is along with john kasich and scott walker.

this is a spiritual battle and we as a nation, anybody listening, if you have never prayed pray for your leadership. host: we will leave it there. marty is a republican and maryland. we told you last night that republican efforts to defund planned parenthood failed in the senate. they did not get the super majority that they needed to move to debate on the bill that was to take funding from planned parenthood and move it to a community health centers. i want to show you a little bit of yesterday's debate. we will begin with senator joni ernst from iowa a cosponsor of the legislation and here is which he had to say. [video clip] >> this is human life and planned parenthood. nation's single largest provider of abortion services

harvesting baby body parts. the american people are shocked and horrified by the utter lack of compassion and disregard. shown by planned parenthood for these women. and their babies. footage resonates within our collective consciousness as it goes against the very suppose that we stand for. as a mother and grandmother, the gravity of planned parenthood callus and morally reprehensible behavior cannot be ignored. i am committed to defending life. protecting the most vulnerable is an important measure of any society. i am proud to stand before you today with 45 cosponsors and to offer legislation that will defund planned parenthood while

safeguarding funding for women's help services. ernst,enator joni cosponsor of the legislation to defund -- defund planned parenthood and coming to the floor also was democratic senator richard blumenthal of connecticut. stories of women who have benefited from planned parenthood, take a look. placeond the din of this that so often consumes us, the confusion and the noise there are real people whose lives will be affected whose lives are affected even by the effort. planned parenthood because of the uncertainty and doubt that it creates. these real people are women like elizabeth eddie. who said and i am quoting, when i did not have health insurance

i went to planned parenthood where i have access to safe, affordable, reproductive health care. i still go there for my health needs and i was able to get std testing and birth control when i couldn't afford it anywhere else. women like rachel. birth control helped my husband and me to put off having a family until we were financially ready to care for a child. little bit of last night's debate in the senate where the debate failed but it is likely to come back up this fall when lawmakers return to washington to continue with the 2016 spending bill. happening in this month of august while the house lawmakers are back in their state the senate is headed back after this week is the iran nuclear deal.

this is the headline from the washington post. kerryary of state john working with and talking with the arab states. the headline is that the arab states expressed support for the iran nuclear deal and the headline below that, i decided democrats are key to the fate of the iran deal. apex which is packed with presidential lawmakers including senator joseph lieberman, backers of that group have pledged to raise as much as $40 million. the israeli ambassador has met with more than 50 members of congress to warn against the deal. the liberal side pro-israel group is set aside millions of dollars to support the deal. the white house has promised to remain engaged throughout the review. president obama set the tone

wednesday in washington with the site of president kennedy's 1963 speech calling for high-stakes nuclear negotiations during the height of the cold war. the white house also how the white house also held a lobbying session and obama has made phone calls to skeptical yet undecided democrats. there is little doubt that the majority opposes the deal of 54 republican senators only jeff flake has signaled that he might support it. they signed a letter last month supporting the concept of an iran deal. if all were to vote in favor it would be enough to sustain. opponents think they will be able to pick off supporters as they publicized what they describe as witnesses. washington concerns over backing rebel groups.

the trade pact session and's heels dug in.ith talks are going to continue. reading -- are interested in reading more on that. we're spending this time this morning talking about last night's first voter forum in new hampshire. what are your view of the candidates? republicans and and dependents and those from early primary states wanting you to colin as well. -- what did you to call in as well. mason is a republican from indiana. caller: i think the democrat's worst nightmare would be john kasich on top of the ticket and carly on the bottom.

john is well-rounded and is popular in ohio. as ohio goes so does the united states. host: elliott in new york, a republican. hello elliott. elliott, good morning you are on the air. all right, moving on to dennis and ridgewood, new york. hello dennis. caller: i just wanted to call to say that i think there are probably too many candidates going in and they are saying basically the same thing. i am a rand paul fan and i like his idea to turn education into a deductible. i view it as a work expense. he is right on that front. while it is important to secure the border, is case it -- john kasich really going to implement a penalty? i don't see that going over well. in newast night, a forum

hampshire considered by some as a warm-up act. it's a dress rehearsal for this thursday. the headline in the new york times is at the lineup for the gop debate is looking more solid at the moment. there is reason to believe that governor john kasich and governor chris christie will be in the debate while rick perry will not because he is polling below the tutor of them. they are both tied at 3% and rick perry at 1%. there are at least two more polls expected to come out today which will affect the final averages. the candidates who are currently out of the top 10 would have to register unusually well. that is from the new york times this morning on that upcoming debate. dennis in new york, an independent. hello, dennis. caller: hello. host: go ahead. caller: you just went to me,

didn't you? host: ok, we will go to terrance in florida. what did you make of the republican candidates? caller: thank you for having me on. i'm looking at the candidates, i really like what ted cruz is standing for. i really like carly fiorina. i think those two together can make some headway. the one standing up in the midst of the republican party. himguy's is something about when the president will call him out. this is a last ditch effort. this country is divided and a lot of people are deceived into race baiting. i think we need god-fearing people in that congress who love god and will do things according to him and we can get this turned around. d.c., what did you

think of last night's forum? caller: i am a big supporter of donald trump because he is outside the washington bureaucrat -- bureaucracy. i am also a huge fan of the squirrel that died on his head. host: we will move on from there. we want to show you tutor of the candidates from last night's forum who are likely to not be on the stage in prime time when the fox news debate begin at 7:00 p.m. on thursday. want to show you what he has to say on federal agencies. [video clip] asduring rick perry's time governor texas create almost one third of private sector jobs in the united states. >> governor perry in the past you have mentioned cutting federal agencies. we've talked a lot about the debt and working for the rest of america.

what agencies would you eliminate? >> i have heard this question before. [laughter] >> i thought you might. >> when you look at the federal government, obviously when we talk about the size of it and the concept of being able to shrink the size of state government, if anybody gets up on the stage. whether it is any of these capable candidates or anybody on the left who says, is there anyway to go forward without cutting and without growing, those are the two things we must do in this country. we have to cut spending. we have a $10 billion budget shortfall in my home state in 2003. we went in there and made those cuts and we told people we would do that because we realize that is how you have to live your life. the government has to learn to do that as well. in the states that have been successful the governors has done that. we cut regulatory climate down

and we made it fair, predictable and we passed the most weeping tort reform in the nation. that with health care that exploded across the state of texas. we had the access to health care and two years later we came back in the session because we only meet every other year. we had an $8 billion budget surplus. that is what you can do in this country. i believe in this country and i believe in putting those principles into place. that was rick perry, former governor on the stage last night. cuts not likely to make the for the debate, as is rick santorum. here he is last night. >> what should the president's role be in determining abortion policy in america? i believe the supreme court

of the united states has abused its authority most recently in the gay marriage case. justice roberts said it best. there is no constitutional basis for this decision. the same case for roe versus wade. whose side are you going to be on? people who decided the dred scott case or the side of abraham lincoln? he said that decision cannot stand. they passed a bill to free the slaves. are we suggesting we are going to be held by a supreme court that abraham lincoln was held by when an unjust decision is handed down? in my opinion we cannot be. host: rick santorum there. republican in tennessee. caller: quick comment. the forum was very good. it helped me make up my mind on some candidates. the three i cannot vote for our jeff bush and ron paul and scott

walker. that is three republicans i cannot support. host: ok. tell us why. ok, we won't find out. an independent in florida. good morning. caller: good morning. i watched the debate last night. the republicans kept saying the first thing they were going to do was secure the border. believe the first thing the voters are going to do is get money out of politics. unless you have trump and sanders leaving the polls. host: and that is why you think they are leading the polls? people think they won't be tied to special interests? caller: yes. they are funding their own campaign. i think sanders has raised by a bit of money independently. host: all right.

jody in texas. a republican. caller: i think that career politicians have wrought us to the mess we are in now -- brought us to the mess we are in now. one are asking for money to run for office. checksach one of these they collect is an iou that once they get in office they have to be collected from. donald trump can buy and sell every one of these suckers that you have on that stage last night. he beholds to no one. where the rest of them are the same. host: ok. in texas, and independent. good morning. independent. good morning. caller: basically what i was thinking was everybody that receives contributions is going

to want favors returned. that's the way i look at it with any politician democrat or republican. get me elected and i will pass the laws you want. host: ok. glenda in tennessee, a republican. caller: hello? host: you're on the air. what do you think of the republican field so far? caller: i love every one of them. my favorite is carly fiorina. and ben carson we love. my son and i both love and carso ben carson. i'm afraid he might be a plant for the democrat because he seems to be getting by with a lot. host: who is that? caller: i can't think of the other fella's name that is the

highest. host: donald trump? caller: yes. host: thomas in mississippi, a republican. caller: yes. this is my first time calling. i have been a democrat but tonight i changed to republican. lindsey graham was talking about veterans. i liked that. and i like ted cruz, the way he stands and puts his foot down. i really like him. host: do you think that you will end up voting for him? caller: i would vote for lindsey graham or ted cruz. host: what issue do they agree with you on? the fact that lindsey graham believes that we need a strong military and a strong navy. and i do that. i arguedack in '66

with my political science teacher my freshman year in college about marines in vietnam. because it was trying to become a democratic country. we got in such an argument we spent the whole period. when i got to my last exam, i went over to jackson and volunteered. and i went over there and when i came back i went in there and exactly what ir thought and he changed his policy. host: ok. joseph in new jersey, and independent. independent. caller: i'm very frustrated with republicans. they keep on talking about the government and how the government is so bad. but they are running state government.

i always look at my paycheck and they take more out of my paycheck than the federal government does. from always get more back the federal government than i do the state government and tax returns since obama has been president. very frustrating to hear them all the time talking about antigovernment. government is good. host: ok. cynthia in texas, a republican. what do you think of governor perry? caller: yes i thought governor perry was great. he has done a lot for texas. i think we had a great lineup last night. there were a lot of great candidates. i am really surprised there are not more people talking about marco rubio. i thought he was very articulate. i think he is a great candidate. even though my cup ruby wasn't there, i think he is an awesome -- i know he is a godly man. great candidate for the

republicans. is ayou said, rick perry great candidate, too. we had such an amazing lineup. wow. it's tough. host: do you wish that donald trump had been there? caller: donald trump -- i like the fact that as most people do that he is outspoken. i wish he had been there of course to hear his side of things. but my concern with donald trump is -- i like that he is outspoken. i think he will move forward and do a lot for this country. it concerns me a little bit about his outspokenness and how he will be able to negotiate with foreign governments with his outspokenness. it.sure he can do but i don't know. i'm a little wavering on voting

for donald trump. last week, donald trump told the union leader out of new hampshire that he was not going to participate last night because he didn't think he would get the endorsement from the paper. and he thinks there are too many candidates for one event. we will go to lisa in misery, a republican. , alisa in missouri republican. caller: i am sick of the democrats. i'm really liking the list of republican candidates. this year i am really looking at kasich, christie, rubio, carson, jindall, perry. those are the candidates i am really looking seriously at. host: you didn't say jeb bush. caller: he's ok. not my favorite. host: why not? caller: i just think that jeb bush is a little more

democratically moderate than he is republican. host: ok. the wall street journal is out with a new poll. this is the latest findings on the political race. take a look at this. what impact candidates are having on the republican party image. of those surveyed, 22% said donald trump is helping. 61% said he is hurting. bush is helping, 45% said he is having no impact. said he isre and 17% hurting the party's image. say that bernie sanders is helping the democratic party image. 9% say he is hurting. 33% say hillary clinton is helping and 42% say she is hurting the democratic image. a republican in ohio. good morning. caller: i think donald trump is

a catalyst. i think he is going to star up the mix and get people thinking. primarily i think what is going to come out of this is people are seeing that the democratic socialist party is very immoral in their stance on abortion clinics and homosexuality and a lot of other things. their negativity is starting to show more and more and their greed is starting to show more and more. and their lack of constitutional belief in our government is starting to show more and more. i would like to see many of these gentlemen running in the republican party being in the cabinet at some different levels. impressed andch optimistic about what our future would be and i thank you for your time. host: lewis in florida, independent. caller: good morning. i think what you saw last night with the republicans is that they are focusing on their next

-- not on the person in the ring with them right now, which is donald trump. they spent the night fighting hillary clinton, barack obama, and bill clinton. afraid of they are the person that is in the ring with them at this moment. we seeer thing i think is when you have money in politics, this is what you get. they are afraid to attack because donald has the money. this is another reason we need to get the money out of politics. host: david in delaware, a republican. good morning. caller: yes. i was watching the forum last night and i was quite impressed with all 14 who were there. i think any of them would be a fine president. my favorite was missing, governor my cup of the. i think he is the most innovative. -- my favorite was missing, governor mike huckabee.

i think he has the most innovative solutions. governor walker was pretty good. there were some great moments last night. ishink the republican party the party with solutions. when i listen to hillary clinton, i didn't see anything that would move this country forward. i think there are thinking people on the gop side. host: are you looking forward to thursday? caller: i am. my dvr is ready. in northda carolina. independent. caller: thank you for taking my call. lasttened to the debate night and i am really impressed with all the republicans. i think we had some smart folks there. i like marco rubio.

like the lady. eventie -- i can't pronounce her last name right now. anyway, i feel like as republicans we need to stick together. we need to beat the democratic party. from any of these candidates we have seen, any of them would do this country a good job. much better than a democrat at this time. host: we will continue the conversation here after a short break. we will talk with joe mcquade, publisher of the -- newspaper in new hampshire. he is joining us from manchester. we will take a closer look at obama's clean power plan and talk about that with national journal energy and environment correspondent. we will be right back after this break. ♪

sunday night on q and a, former emergency manager of detroit kevin or talks about detroit's financial issues and his job overseeing the largest municipal bankruptcy in u.s. history. >> if detroit had taken that $1.5 billion in 2005 when the stock market went down and just invested it in an index fund. the stock market is now trading at 18,000. almost three times what it was. that not only would have tripled their money, they could have paid the pensions in full and gotten back in the business of declaring the 13th check. it could have fixed itself if there had been some sort of sober management going forward, just like any organization. if you have strong leadership

and focused leadership, you can resolve these problems. it takes a lot of effort. >> sunday night on c-span's q and a. washington journal continues. host: we are back. joining us from manchester is the president publisher of the new hampshire union leader, joe mcquade. inc. you for being here. -- thank you for being here. which candidate stood out to you? guest: they all did. i sat in the second row behind the candidates. thinkinghed, i was what a wonderful opportunity this was for the republican party to show off a deeper field than i can remember going six months into a primary. standouts, i liked carly fiorina. she did a shout out to the thing on. -- she did a shout out to the

union for putting the thing on. it was fine. i think it improved the position of all the candidates who were there. host: your headline in the union leader, america meets the gop. what do you mean? why was this form important? rtant?um impo thet: it was important for three early voting states. fox announced it was limiting the field to the top 10 candidates on the basis of polls. februaryht be ok in the weekend before the primary. but six months before, it is absurd. and doesn't present to either

the three states or the nation the broader field of candidates. so america meet the gop. they are not going to meet them if they only watch the 9:00 program thursday night. they have an earlier table forng kiddie lower tier candidates. i talked to a former senator in the audience last night and he was expressing great frustration and wonderment that a network could leave off the stage one of the most knowledgeable u.s. senators on foreign policy, lindsey graham, who is low in the polls at the moment. and quite possibly the governor their so-called debate is going to be held, john kasich. outstanding. and carly fiorina, quite an accomplished is this woman who is on the bubble of getting in or not.

so we wanted america to see the broader field and i think that was accomplished thanks largely to c-span's showing it nationally. forumwhat you think of a versus a debate and why did you organize it that way with the candidates taking questions one-on-one? caller: yes. we wanted to make it easier for the candidates to accept our invitation. know, the may republican national committee has specified a limited number of debates. and this wasn't one of them. if we had had a debate with all of the candidates questioning each other, than those candidates according to the rnc would not be allowed in any of their official debates. frankly i think if a couple of name candidates had said to heck with that we are going to do a debate in new hampshire, the rnc

would have folded its tent and let them in. but the great thing about the event last night, i think it was more informative and more in depth with questions to the candidates then you are likely to see on thursday night. we did two hours with 14 candidates. two rounds of questions about four or five minutes in the first round and a couple of minutes in the second round. i was doing my terrible math on the way in this morning and fox has 10 candidates, 90 minutes. how much time does each candidate get then? after introductions, etc.? it is going to be interesting to watch, but i think we will come out with more content and in-depth questions and answers than the fox thing. host: did you miss donald trump not being on the state? -- stage? caller: not at all.

guest: not at all. some stories lead with that. was on the reporting candidates and what they had said. i was trying to think with the chemistry would have been like if trump had in there. i think it would have been totally different and distraction rather than attraction of solid candidates. so, no. to tell you the truth i don't understand his reasoning. if he doesn't think we are going to endorse him and therefore he is not coming to our party, it makes no sense. be sort of criticizing himself for not participating because we got a lot of coverage around the country thanks to you. and we had an extraordinary number of commercial television stations including to hear in here in new

hampshire. it got out to a lot of people. follow thei political business closely, the average joe or jane -- it is summertime for one thing. they have to get the kids back to school. there are not really paying great in-depth attention to this thing. trump is out there. people know trump and therefore he is getting some recognition. this was an opportunity for the voters to ask candidates questions and we did that i putting up on our site and the sites a list of topics and asked voters to weigh in on what they were interested in. our moderator managed on the fly to ask some great follow-up questions after the planned ones were over.

do you think new hampshire residents missed donald trump from the stage? there was a poll yesterday that showed the billionaire was up in the granite state 26%. pulls in august of 2015 and i hope to my newspaper. august of 2015 mean zip to me and i hope to my newspaper. reportersknuckles of who write these stories. could get in the top 10 if it was just based on name recognition but i don't think he is running. host: let's turn to our viewers. we have a fourth line set aside for new hampshire residents. lisa is up first in florida.

independent. thanks for taking my call. i really didn't appreciate the debate. i really appreciated the format of your show. i am echoing a couple of people. i am alsosay disappointed we are not hearing more about marco rubio. every facet of his politics may not be something everybody agrees with, but i find that every time he opens his mouth he is so on point. he is so well-informed. he is so articulate. he makes a great deal of sense. be hearing more comments about him and i hope he makes it to the thursday night debate. i haven't heard her speak very much. she sounds very strong.

considering her background, when i think about her ability to speak with people in other nations and to feel to take care of things, she strikes me as a woman with impeccable critical thinking skills. conflict resolution skills. the kind of things that really do matter. trump, who can also be very spot on about things. it's like he cuts right to the bone. but i am very concerned about peoplet that he pisses off the way he does. whether or not he can actually be taking care of our country because of his inability to have the kind of decorum that i think somebody in politics dates to have. host: all right lisa. let's leave it there and have joseph respond to what you had to say. guest: i think what we did last night was showcase both senator

rubio and carly fiorina and getting them to answer questions and i agree that senator rubio is a very articulate young fellow. that's what the senate is and should be all about, is people who can argue a point well. who had to ted cruz, be in washington last night, were really articulate about what they did or it as was rand to take a different position on some things. i was very pleased we had all those candidates. way people go to the shorthand of, i like your debate. as i explained, it was not a debate. the last real debate was between lincoln and douglas. and i think brian lamb taped it at the time. host: a republican.

caller: good morning. i thought it was awesome. i appreciated it so much. i was really impressed with perry of course. i like cruz, i like carson. i was impressed with miss fiorina. i have never heard her speak for. my choice would be perry, carson, jindall did a great job. i would have asked every candidate about what their thoughts on immigration would be. that to me is so important. did a great job and a great service for our country. we needed this. host: all right. some of the candidates did answer the immigration question. the immigration was the top issue and we tried to ask a

number of questions in different elicit positions from the candidates. it is interesting what the caller from texas says about never seeing or hearing carly fiorina before. that is why she is in new hampshire and iowa, and i imagine south carolina. as are a lot of the other candidates. because they are not known nationally. at to be known nationally this stage, you have to have money that trump doesn't have. he is known nationally because of television and business books and his name on the side of buildings. these other candidates who are really thoughtful and are testing the waters, that is what the stage is all about. i was talking this morning to a in who worked in new york another day and then came up here and he was comparing and contrasting what the cost would have been or would be for a

candidate if new york was the first primary state. in fact what we seem to be heading towards is a national primary with national networks calling the shots and picking the candidates. unless you have a billion dollars, you might as well stay home. we are selfish. new hampshire likes the attention. but i don't think that's good for the country. i don't think that's a good way to pick a president. these candidates don't have the resources to be known nationally. that's why they do these smaller town halls where they talk to the voters. the voters in these early primary states are the first test for these candidates. what do you think the appeal is of carly fiorina? we got a lot of calls this morning of people saying they really liked what she had to say. can be sexist and

say, well she is a woman, hillary is a woman, that is an interesting comparison. carly fiorina is a genuine article. she is a very thoughtful person who has some international experience and just really does how to make a point. but has some background that i think people would find interesting in the oval office. one of your callers earlier said fiorina, trump. , differentspeople approaches. i think that is one of the things that carly fiorina has. even in new hampshire, she is just getting around now doing these town hall meetings. people hampshire appreciate it and like to be able to actually see and hear a candidate and this year, with

broad aught a field, -- downtownu can't go without bumping into someone who is running for president. host: who has the best infrastructure in this early primary state? guest: good question. i am not the political reporter. i just sign the checks. one who has none in new hampshire is mike huckabee. which may have been part of the reason why he declined our invitation. understood what a big deal this was for the early primary states. to see on his website what campaign he had in new hampshire. it refers you back to little rock. that is where he is staking his ground. some of the candidates have , deepvery skilled

professionals from new hampshire as well as having national ones. bush has a fine organization here. lindsey graham has a pretty smart guy up here doing field work for him. chris christie does, too. of themazing in terms town meetings that he has held. and he doesn't leave until the last question is asked. the interesting thing is one-on-one versus television. some people come across well on tv or they can be stiff on tv, and in person it is another story. i'm avoiding your question because i don't know how big the staff is. donald trump has a place in manchester with a parking spot out front with his name on it. host: william in niagara falls, democrat. caller: thank you for taking my call. thes concerned about

moderator not asking any of the candidates about the voter id laws that are going on across this nation. many of the candidates up there have voter id laws in their government. and the senators never mentioned anything about them. thatone that i know know the voter id laws are voter suppression. cutting off access to the polls has nothing to do with id. cutting early voting has nothing to do with id. i believe in texas you can't even get -- use your university of texas id to get the voter id for texas. but your gun license works. so it's not about id. north carolina is in court right now about voter id. the am wondering when is republican party going to address that voter id situation?

because they seem to be silent on it. all right. guest: interesting. that was not an issue that came to the top or anywhere really in our survey of voters. which is why it wasn't asked of us. i don't think it's the republican candidates not willing to bring it up. they weren't asked anything that came close to that. hampshire, we have a very large population of so-called independent voters who aren't registered in either party. but they can walk in to the presidential primary the day of the vote in either party and say, i want to sign up as a vote,ican, get a ballot, walk out and say change me back to an independent. there has been quite a deal of

conflict about the looseness of lack of voter id in new hampshire. republicans have tried to change that so that college kids bussed in from massachusetts can't come to a precinct in new hampshire and say i am joe blow from kokomo, give me a ballot. if they are challenged all they have to do is cited affidavit that says yes, i am joe blow from kokomo. there is the task of trying to validate all those and they never get to all of them. findthey find some, they out that some people who aren't from new hampshire at all. but the count of the vote still counts. in, the put the ballot people at the polling place don't know whose vote that was. so the bizarre thing with -- go ahead. host: i'm sorry.

i thought you were finished. finish your thought. just bizarre that someone can come in from out of state, sign a waiver that they are from here, vote, go home, it turns out they're are not from here, and their vote counts. host: independent from louisiana. caller: hey. i want to thank both of th y'all. the format was wonderful. i wish that was the way it was done. debating one another for a minute and 30 seconds just kind of -- it is more snarky than it is informative. i thought carly fiorina did great. i have been a fan of persons she ran against barbara boxer. i thought dr. carson did great. y'all fort to thank

putting this format on. host: from twitter, someone wants to know, did the candidates have a say in the choice of subjects of the questions asked? guest: no. they didn't have a say in anything except coming there. we told them there would be two rounds of questions. their turn was drawn by ping-pong balls. i think you may have with theirhe back names and faces on them. i was hoping that could be part of the televised show because i wanted them to get the trump ball and throw it over their shoulder because he wasn't there. there was very little concerned by the candidates because they recognized how important these states are.

there wasn't one candidate who wanted to be able to skype in. because of the planned parenthood vote, we had to have the senators in washington. graham did not partake in that vote, preferring to be up here. the vote lost anyway. it was a motion for cloture and it didn't come close. if it had failed by one vote, would senator graham be rethinking his decision on it. i'm really happy with the lady said about the format. it is not a debate. it is not people on stage. i honestly think that we got more informative answers on a variety of topics then you are likely to get in what so far has of thee modus operandi national televised debates. host: what's next for the candidates in new hampshire?

now what do they have to do before the november election? they have to stay here and in iowa and south carolina while they are raising money all over the place. which you have to do these days. i heard a couple of your callers talk about that. the lawknow if it's movie or the military movie -- some guy said to me last night, looking at all the candidates on ,tage, the moderator had said look to your left and look to your right, because one of you three people is not going to be here come february. i'm pretty sure that i february 9, all thoseary candidates won't be in the race. it is too long, too exhausted, ooo expensive -- to

exhaustive, too expensive. i think they will get discouraged and fold their tents. sometimes it happens even before iowa takes place. i expect that. this is a big field. and a deep field. they won't all be here. what's next is finding the magic bullets to have yourself stand out from the crowd. our event was not the the all end all. end all.l, devoted voter, you will watch the debate. in new hampshire, these people have the chance to really be on the ground like john mccain was able to do twice. like pat buchanan came out of

nowhere to do. what is next for the candidates is trying to win votes. right, president and publisher of the new hampshire union leader. inc. you for your time. -- thank you for your time. guest: thank you, c-span. last night was tops. host: we are going to switch gears and focus on the presidents climate change agenda. announcementth the on monday about the new epa rule cutting carbon emissions by 30 some percent. we will talk with jason plautz from the national journal about that. then we will speak with mark lagon, president of the human rights group freedom house about human trafficking. those conversations coming up after this break. ♪

>> sunday night on cue and day. former emergency manager of aboutt kevin orr talks detroit's financial issues and his job overseeing the largest been visible bankruptcy in u.s. history. if detroit had taken that $1.5 billion when the stock market went down and if it had just invested in an index fund, the stock market is now trading at almost three times what it was. it not only would have tripled their money, they could have paid the pensions in full and then gotten back in the business of declaring what is called the 13th check.

so it could have fixed itself if there had been some sort of sober management going forward, just like any organization. if you have strong leadership and focused leadership, you can resolve these problems. it takes a lot of effort. >> sunday night on c-span's q&a. >> washington journal continues. jasonjoining us now is plautz, energy and environment correspondent with national journal here to talk about president obama's new climate change regulation. what did the president announce on monday? finalized the first ever carbon pollution standards for power plants. cut 870andards will million tons of carbon pollution by 2030. really setlanet is

up to transform the power sector. it is going to encourage more renewables. discouraging coal. changing the energy mix entirely. host: what does it mean for states? each state gets its own individual goal that they can determine a way to meet. they can put in energy efficient , there are a lot of options available to them. host: what states are looking at doing even more? what states are saying we are not going to do that at all ? oklahoma, indiana, texas are among the states saying they are not going to comply. mcconnell has been encouraging governors not to comply. he says it is not legally sound.

you have other states who are farther along. states part of the regional greenhouse gas initiative are pretty well-equipped to comply with this plan. host: what has been the reaction from the lawmakers here in washington as well as those that are running in 2016? guest: i think it is about what you would expect. democrats are very supportive of this plan and want to see it go forward. republicans don't want to see it go forward, they see it as an overreach, they say it is going to raise electricity prices. mitch mcconnell has urged governors not to comply. he and house speaker john boehner were already talking about solutions to try and stop the plan. act hasional review certainly been under consideration.

the senate environment and public works committee on wednesday is going to mark up a bill that would allow states topped out and essentially forced the epa to rewrite the rules. will see what the senator from kentucky had to say yesterday on the senate floor about this. to ship goodtened middle-class jobs overseas. it hard toake maintain reliable sources of energy to meet demand. result in higher energy bills for those who can least afford them. potentially raising electricity rates by double digits for people that i represent. all of this, for what? not only will these massive regulations failed to meaningfully affect the global climate, but they could actually end up harming the environment by outsourcing energy production to countries with poorer

environmental records like india and china. they may also be illegal. that is why i wrote the governors earlier this year suggesting they take a responsible wait and see approach before subjecting their citizens to such unnecessary pain. when will the presidents rule go into effect? guest: states will have to start complying in 2022. that is a two-year delay from what was originally in the proposal. they have to submit plans a in fall of 2016. so couldn't a new president just get rid of this? guest: certainly the next president has a large role to play. seen on the democratic side hillary clinton has said she would uphold the plans.

she would like to increase the role of renewables even beyond what is in the role. and martiners o'malley have both said they would keep the plan in place. on the other side, no republican candidates have said a very nice thing about this rule. so should a republican take the white house, we could see them simply not implement the rule. we can also expect to see this move through the court systems. a court could say part or all of this rule has to be rewritten. then it is up to the administration to rewrite it. the president of the national mining association writing the opposing view in usa today, saying this plan offers all pain, no gain. he says states face even tougher this will burden americans with increasingly high costs for an essential service and lead to a less reliable electric grid.

how are the different industries responding? the national mining association is not pleased with this. we have seen a number of utilities already with lawsuits trying to stop it. that was the court case that famously had laurence tribe. industry groups are going to try and stop this anywhere they can. they see this as reducing the use of fossil fuel. and the usa today editorial board says the plan helps protect the planet. they write that if the plan survives legal and political assault, carbon dioxide emissions from existing power plants will be 32% lower in 2030 than they were in 2005. will all of this solve the

climate change problem? no. are the largest source of u.s. greenhouse gas emissions but they represent only 32% of the total. so the administration's plan 1/9 ofake care of about domestic emission. largest stepsthe was fuel economy standards. been efforts to promote clean energy and energy efficiency. has set an overall goal of reducing emissions. that was part of the agreement with china. it has been a very large and fast agenda. host: get to calls. riley, a republican. good morning. the ignorance of the

democratic leadership and also shown by the reporter here on carbon dioxide. statements show it all. she said that carbon pollution could reduce asthma attacks. every person breathes out a more concentrated co2 than they breathe in. that is how they live. it is amazing to me that carbon transfer is all about life on earth. and co2 is the method of transfer of life-giving carbon to the planet. we eat the plants and we live. that is life on earth. andsomeone to come along done,e, which obama has that co2 is a pollutant and take

action on it -- al gore and all that. no problem. now we are getting action to double the cost of electricity, to increase transportation fees. to affect people's standard of living. host: let's take that living -- point. what is the impact on consumers? guest: we could see energy bills go up, but the epa has said it would reduce energy bills in the long-term. energy efficiency uses less energy and that will help consumers. host: the white house website has this. save the average american family nearly $85 a year on energy bills. save enough energy to power 30 million homes in 2030. are there people that disagree with those statistics? there arel of course

people who disagree with those statistics. they say it is going to raise rates. it's hard to know what is going to happen. it's not like bills are going to drop or rise tomorrow. the president warned against in action on this issue. here's what he had to say. >> most of the issues that i deal with, and i deal with some tough issues across my desk. definition, i don't deal with issues if they are easy to solve because somebody else authority solve them. and some of them are grim. them are heartbreaking, some of them are hard, some of them are frustrating. but most of the time, the issues we deal with are ones that are temporally bound and we can anticipate things getting better if we just kind of plug away at it. even incrementally.

but this is one of those rare issues, because of its magnitude, because of its scope, that if we don't get it right, we may not be able to reverse. and we may not be able to adapt sufficiently. there is such a thing as being too late when it comes to climate change. president obama at the white house yesterday making an announcement about the epa rule. that is what we are discussing with all of you this morning. eric in hyattsville, maryland. independent. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i believe that the intention of the president is good. it is a very nice intention. but it is not realistic. it is completely unrealistic because the problem with carbon emission and all this pollution

is that pollution do not have any -- you cannot enforce pollution here in america when you have china, india, developing countries who are getting industrialization right now. so if we are complying here in america, and china is not complying, not only are we disadvantaged in terms of production, but life is more miserable for us. and now the electricity is going up because even already the building we have now is too high. ast imagine now going green the president is saying. until they have everybody on the table, when i say everybody, all these big nations who are the big polluters. sitting down and everybody agrees to curb. pledge and another

thing to already implement. i don't think that it is a good idea. thank you. guest: that is a great point and something we have heard from a number of critics. the white house has tried to reach a deal with china. they reached another deal on renewable energy with brazil. we are going to see the u.s. really try to take a leadership role as the united nations meets in paris in december. to try to strike a deal. i think everybody is realistic. this plan alone and u.s. action alone will not solve climate change. by u.s. is trying to show taking these big steps, other countries can follow along and everybody can work together. host: and these steps, how big are they compared to other countries? guest: it's hard to say. we haven't seen totally defined goals from other countries.

i think the u.s. has said that what they are doing is larger. we saw china take significant steps when they reached a deal in november as well. in california, a republican. you are on the air. caller: thank you c-span. i am 67 years old. i can remember back in the 1960's when i was attending college. someone named paul ehrlich wrote a book called the population bomb that was all the rage among the scientific and academic communities at the time. lectures, hend warned of the catastrophic consequences that were in store for we humans by no later than the turn of the century if we didn't take immediate steps to check our population growth. he predicted such dire consequences as mass famines,

severe energy shortages, drastically lower standards of living. the turn of the century came and gone and none of these disasters happened. energy production has never been higher than it is today and standards of living have never been higher than they are today, particularly in the world's most populous countries, china and india. and so the academic and scientific immunities have moved on to a new cause, which is climate change. historyugh our climate is of repeated ice ages followed by periods of global warming. host: i think we got your point.

there is a body of people that do not believe what the scientists are saying, that don't believe there is climate change or global warming. guest: certainly. gosaw the president aggressively against them yesterday in the clip we heard. he said that this is the last chance we have to take action. the overwhelming majority of scientists agree that climate change is happening. we are already seeing its effects. we have 14 of the 15 hottest years on record. in setting these standards, they are trying to solve the problem that scientists say is in front of us. host: what influence do you think the pope will have when he makes his visit in september? guest: guest: the book released an

encyclical, and we've already seen the tremendous change on that. it could make some of the leaders uncomfortable. john boehner, who is a catholic, has said he doesn't agree with the position. we've seen at number of politicians saying this is not something the pope should be taking a position on. twitter says this is the first generation to know enough to know when the change is reality. the next generation must be the ones to address it. looking at twitter, looking at lawmakers havee been saying and others, speaker john boehner --

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was the most exciting thing in years. inng back to calls, anthony maryland, independent. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have a masters in mechanical engineering and i'm working on my phd. something i see lacking in a lot of plans of the past is where nuclear power is concerned. of all the clean energies we have out there, it is the most reliable for high energy density fuel. i was wondering what part the president sees nuclear energy playing in the future of our economy. guest: as i said, every state has its own pathway to meet these goals. the nuclear energy was not pleased with the weight was treated under the proposed rule. they said epa was not doing enough to count existing plans and that the rules would discourage future production.

showve seen numbers that accounts for the final goal and not the industry target. they said it would encourage more states to put it under construction. host: wisconsin, hi, there. i believe we should go after the countries that are the biggest violators much is with. more government control of the u.s. is not something we need. my question is, for jason, do you think nuclear power plants is the away -- the way to go? the amount of waste that is generated, where will we store this stuff? and since it is so radioactive for so many years, the buildup of it, and the possibility of a serious accident at a nuclear power plant one of these days wipe just wiped out --

out where people live. what do you think we should do? guest: that is one of the major concerns for nuclear power and that is why we have seen it be such a controversial issue. it is also to the industry has to contend with. mean fort does this the sources of energy that are dominating the current streams? this is the "wall street journal" from yesterday. generationctricity in millions of megawatts per hour. if you look at where was coming from in 2005, it has changed in 2015, most notably natural gas. coal is still on top, but natural gas is sort living -- splitting it with coal compared to 2005. guest: right, that has been the biggest change in the energy

sector since 2005. the shale boom brought natural gas into the mix. that was a problem for some people. natural gas burns much cleaner than coal, but it's still not as clean as wind, solar, and other zero emission sources. it is now expected to remain more or less flat. host: what are they doing to make sure that -- because coal under this scenario will be relied on less, but natural gas does not take over. guest: we saw them put more in place to encourage renewable energy like wind and solar. they set up a new shared program for state that bring wind and solar online before the rules start to take place in 2022. pollution credits that can be used as a trading mechanism as well.

that is supposed to encourage more states to bring renewables online rather than natural gas. host: will we see a cap and trade program, and how will that work? will it be just something within a state or will it cross state lines? guest: that is a good question. it will encourage cap and trade and explicit line say that carbon fees or a carbon tax could be used. we don't know what that will look like. reginald some of the greenhouse gas emissions in the northeast, they have set up a cap and trade program. there are others who consider this an option and as they start implementation programs we will see in some cases several states and together. -- several states bands together. host: our guest this morning , natural energy and

environment correspondent talking about the new rules. going to raleigh, democrat, you're next. caller: republicans are talking about control, but the problem is we do not have a democracy anymore. we have an oligarchy. and the people who have their hands on the energy production, they don't want to see change. we have an unbelievable potential for solar. this thing is a concluded fact. the government is supposed to be the people. little people don't have a voice. and it is obvious to everybody this exists and they are just being drowned out and the republicans are basically an insane party that do not want to believe the facts. it will take miami and east

coast going underwater until the people wake up. incredulous this has gone on for so long, that these people are worried about jobs. we could shift jobs to installing solar panels, the potential is unbelievable. we could change the whole economy. but they don't want the economy to change, the koch brothers. and we don't want -- we are done with the citizens united. the people's will cannot be done. those -- we have talked about those opposing what the president wants to do. with in support of him? -- who is in support of him? 14 states came together and sued the epa over these rules.

the proposed role was rejected by the courts because the rule had not been finalized. on the other side, you are seeing some governors, a lot of congressional democrats come out in support. it will be interesting to see how this lays out on capitol hill. house has already passed a bill that would allow states to opt out. the senate is going to move on that. you will see democrats trying to recruit from -- the moderates from the other side. up to the it be moderate democrats and republicans in 2016? certainly, we will see lots of pressure on them. we will see environmental groups likely put a lot of pressure on one in particular. willits, texas, rob,

independent color. -- caller. caller: thank you. a lot of carbon dioxide is used to make solar panels. they actually have a very high and that needst to be told honestly. them low carbon. the aluminum frames need a lot , so don't give a are low carbon either. also, turning 40% of our corn into food when 28 million people year are in malnutrition is a major factor.

complaint -- my big complaint, you might colin -- you might callously say a lot of s exposed from a rotting corpse. host: we get your point. what is the efficiency of alternative energy? guest: i'm not an expert on solar panels. the real power generation is -- the real changes in the power generation. compared to coal plants, they are not emitting anything. host: next caller. documentarye is a man. danish

he has all of the solutions and none of it is presented here. weit was required viewing would have all of our solutions. this movie came out in 2010. watch it and take notes and present it to everyone in the congress, and the president. whether you believe in climate change or not, it is cost-benefit analysis solutions and what the president is proposing does not work according to this movie. host: ok, eric. fill in florida. -- phil in florida. caller: thank you for having this form. the first think of i want to can havet why iran nuclear capability and they say it is for energy when they live in a desert. sun throughundant

solar. they have wind and could have windmills, but they want nuclear. i want to talk about that irony, and i also want to say that i ,hink this holding about saying well, what is the rest of the world going to think, it is a done deal and we cannot walk away now -- well, we need a better deal. it is obviously up to each country how they create their energy mix. thatnk what he was talking was the nuclear deal with iran. it is up to that country. we are going to see, as we have seen tonight the u.s. use bilateral talks or international talks to put pressure on other countries. we saw this with india when president obama was over there trying to encourage them to adopt more solar renewable energy.

up to the in the lead u.n. talks in paris, president obama has set the -- said that he wants is to be a legacy issue for him. what has the epa and this administration done other than what we saw yesterday on carbon emissions? what other actions has the administration taken up to now to shape the president's climate change agenda? ofst: they taken a number steps. there are fuel economy daters that will double the fuel economy -- fuel economy standards that will double the fuel economy of cars and heavy trucks as well. we just saw in the spring and endangerment finding on airplanes that sense of regulations -- that sets up regulations for airplanes. we have seen a number of encouragement on solar and wind and really trying to change the energy mix so there is less

pollution. host: in virginia, independent, you are next. i would like to remind this person year, mr. jason, the climate was changing before man was here. was going to have global warming and then it was going to turn to an ice age. centers, noaa, you can look at the temperature tosors and they were next heat centers, smokestacks, airport runways. they were supposed to be in plain view where they would not be influenced by surrounding conditions. one last thing, if climate change is such a big deal, please explain to me why obama flies all over the country and all over the world in the dirtiest aircraft there is,

putting out all of this pollution, but he doesn't care about that. he only cares about a slew of people having to do without. host: what does it mean for someone's pocketbook? do we know yet on a monthly basis when people look at their utility bill, are they going to see a big difference? guest: well, we don't know. as you said, it will take a long time for this to play out and states will look at this in different ways. mix on your utility bill might be a bit different and based on your energy use as well. but the white house is that this will save consumers on their energy bills in the long-term. host: georgia, republican. think the electrical grids are very inefficient and they are going to have to become

defined areas, how we lose electricity. first, we lose half of our energy through transmission. it is very inefficient. and we are also susceptible to whether it when -- weather events and cyber security. we need to look toward other forms like pine tree resin to manufacture steam. it is flammable. trees andleaf pine o components with that. you get co2 sequestration from the tree. you also get kind codes. you can manipulate a pine tree to grow collins by attacking it. your all right, let's take point. there is lots of discussion about the vulnerability of the great.

grid. what is congress doing about this? guest: we are seeing a number of steps on the electric grid. the houseenate and resources committee has moved comprehension -- comprehensive bills that would look at vulnerability. and the epa has set up with they are calling a safety valve. if there is some reliability concern, there are allowance that will give more flexibility. they said they don't anticipate needing to use that, but it is there just in case. host: legislation likely to move on this and get a vote in the house and senate? guest: on the comprehensive bills? --t: about the great electric grid specifically. guest: yes, we saw a bipartisan bill move out of committee.

the chairman said she would like to move that to the floor. in the house, it has only come out of subcommittee. people have said they would like to see that go farther. it should come back in the fall. who knows what will happen then. host: and what happens in the fall with the president's proposals with the epa? --st: date will have to talk states will have to sit down, talk amongst themselves and with each other and figure out the best cap forward for them. -- the best path forward for them. in some states like texas, oklahoma, indiana, those that have said they will opt out, we will have to look at options for them. the epa said is a you opt out they will have a federal plan that they will implement on that state. they also have a plan that is cookie-cutter if they don't want to write their own plan. we will also see this business

move through the courts. there was already a lawsuit of a proposed rule. i think there will be several more. host: all right, jason plautz will be covering. thank you for your time this morning. coming up next, we will turn our attention to human trafficking. ,e will talk with mark lagon president of the human rights group freedom house. right after this break. ♪ >> sunday night onto a day, former emergency manager of

detroit talks about detroit financial issues and his job overseeing the largest municipal bankruptcy in u.s. history. that detroit had taken $1.5 billion in 2005 and 2006 when the stock market went down to 6700 and just invested in anything that's fun, the dow jones, standard & poor's, whatever, the stock market is almost three times what it was. they not only would have tripled their money, but they could have paid their pages the full and got back to the business of what is called the 13th check, giving pensioners the 13th check at the in addition to the 12. they could have fixed themselves if there had been sober , justment going forward like any organization in the u.s. as well. if you have silver -- sober management, you can solve these problems, but it takes a lot of effort. >>

sunday night on c-span's to my day. >> "washington journal continues. host: we are back with mark lagon, president of freedom house, talking about human trafficking worldwide. there is a latest report out last week. why do they do these reports? what is the intent and history? guest: congress decided in the down 2000's with senators -- senator sam brownback on the left and a senator on the right that created a coalition for the u.s. government to deal with the problem at home. host: what is the intent of tracking this? andt: it really is to try deal of the problem. human trafficking is a jargon term. it is best understood as a form of slavery.

a person's autonomy is completely removed. interesting that they want to fight that slavery problem. host: how big a problem is it? let's take not a u.s. source, but the u.n., a very conservative estimate, about 21 million people at any one time throughout the world are trafficking victims. anyone thousand people in the world, three of them are human trafficking victims. that is a lot. host: where does it have been the most and what are the conditions under which it happens? guest: there are many different forms. it could be the sex trafficking of children, does, migrant workers in the gulf, people who never crossed the border, like the disadvantaged castes in

india by the millions in an isolated area. when i am asked where the biggest problem areas are, there are three ways to answer. southeast asia and india because that is where many problems are. where if you are a woman or a migrant you are not likely to have access to justice. but east asia, it has both sex trafficking and labor trafficking in large numbers. host: explain to our viewers what is going on. guest: it is controversy. some of the most controversial grade given in this report are about countries in this region. there has been debate in congress about the transpacific partnership. at freedom house, we are a human rights organization and we think the transpacific partnership would be a good idea. but countries like malaysia, they arethailand,

going to be given a soft pass. and there is a question of whether malaysia has been given a light touch in this report. host: right, malaysia was upgraded, if you will. and whythe tier process malaysia was given an upgraded this report. guest: unique among human rights reports that congress makes that the state department puts out, this one gives group -- gives great two countries. it was developed by harvard does change their behavior. countries are the lowest, those not making an effort at all. the tier two watch list countries are those that are making some progress, but sliding will stop -- but sliding. tier two countries are making effort, but have a long way to go. and tier one meet most of the standards in the u.s. law and

the treaties. host: malaysia was upgraded. guest: it was in the cellar, tier three. by many standards, it is very problematic. the under secretary of state who oversees the trafficking office, a very serious foreign-policy specialist. she in a press conference she had last week on july 27 cited six things she was still deserved by in malaysia that -- in malaysia, that they have not implemented changes in their law , that they have not implemented regulation, that there launched -- their law enforcement is we, convictions are remarkably low, and victims are actually being detained by the government in --aysia, and passports are passports of migrant workers are regularly being confiscated, and they still got an upgrade. trafficking in

persons report, this is the report we are talking about. the green and orange countries are those that received an upgrade. and the red and yellow countries are those that were downgraded. that disturbed me -- and it is interesting. freedom -- freedom house is an atanization that looks general political liberties. my students at georgetown say i giving grades two countries. but those that jumped out at me, the most worrisome are the drop of slovenia and europe, so let's not leave europe out of the picture. it dropped from the top ranking to the lowest, just right the fact that slovenia is a very strong country in terms of press freedoms and civil liberties. and problematic drops, northern africa, egypt, sub-saharan

, and costa rica dropping in central america. that whole area of all the violence that has led people to migrate to the united states. a morethe examples of solid rule apply has been costa rica, but apparently not on human trafficking. in the map, i would say there are what i would call for howlers infour terms of the battle. we are talked about malaysia, but three dollars -- three others are saudi arabia, which is where migrants and women are treated less than human. the spec is stand, people are actually -- in uzbekistan, people are actually

enslaved into picking cotton. cuba, beingr is upgraded from a tier 32 is here to contact -- from a tier three teierght years to --to a two. host: let's going into the first call. about: yellow the talking climate change and the most pressing issue to me is -- host: we will move on to kansas. do you have a question about human trafficking? caller: i sure do. we have to lead by example and i'm can learn about what is going on in our -- i'm concerned about what is going on in our own country. the seattle school district is giving iud's to young girls as young as 11 without parental

consent and i want to know how you can do find that at as anything other than sex trafficking. necessarilyld not agree about the characterization of that policy, but i would want to know more about that. arehe united states, we setting a good example. but we should not sweep under the rug what is going on here. -- the caller emphasizes child sex trafficking. we know that children are most hoursger in the first 96 that they are gone that they are being recruited into child sex

trafficking. in the u.s., we often treat a child in prostitution as someone arrested and jailed. under international norms, that is a human trafficking victim. we need to treat them as such. sex: how do you define trafficking and labor trafficking? trafficking is pretty straightforward. if there are conditions of corrosion --ud or forced fraud or coercion, then that person is a human trafficking victim. they may be a migrant that crosses borders undocumented, but if they did not have the intent or they were recruited or involved in fraud or subject to force, then they would be a human trafficking victim. trafficking, whether they crossed a border or not, everyone who is a minor

does not have informed consent. they are a sex trafficking victim. labore focused on trafficking being the bigger problem in the world. it has become politically less attractive to focus on the adults involved in sex trafficking, even though host: they are out there. -- they are out there. host: why is that? guest: people's heartstrings are tugged by what happens to kids. my predecessor in the bush administration, john miller, as the human trafficking investor -- investigator, they were singularly focused on sex trafficking. i think it is important to look at both. host: let's look at what the secretary of state had to say about this at the end of july when this came out. here he is at the state department. secretary kerry: we want to

provide evidence and facts that will help people who are already reforms tochieve alleviate suffering and hold people accountable. we want to provide a strong incentive for government at every level for people to do all that they can to prosecute trafficking and to shield at risk populations. and in conveying these messages, let me acknowledge that even here in the u.s., we americans need to listen and improve. like every nation, we have a responsibility to do a better job of protecting those who live within our own borders. takenwhose passports are away for them, who are imprisoned for labor purposes or for sex trafficking. host: what did you make of the secretary's comments? guest: it reflects a traditional americans focus on prosecution, on the law. the human treaty that was formed at the same time in 2000

emphasizes profit -- prosecution. not just findt to the victims, and thinking about giving them shelter and how they can reclaim their lives and giving them dignity. we need to help them become employed. he talks about the problem at home. it is important for the united states to tell the facts about what is going on here in the united they. -- united states. and even the report gives the united states the highest possible grade. tier one countries tend to be rich and have the means to address the problem better. host: the violence against 2000 -- ct of let's hear from aaron in ardmore, oklahoma. caller: hello.

the supreme court was talking about some stuff with microsoft and with oklahoma health care. a lot of it has been displayed on the web. whereerin, i'm not sure you are going with this, but we are talking about human trafficking worldwide in this country. cheryl in princeton, new jersey, democrat. caller: when individuals are tocued from those situations -- there are just so many steps to getting an individual cognizant of the fact that they have rights. them is a great thing, but how do you get them out?

how many steps are involved? i think you know where i'm going with this. guest: i do, and i welcome this. freedom house works broadly around the world. those deaths every empowering someone who is a survivor of human trafficking -- those steps isre-empowering someone new a survivor of human trafficking are many. person thatd by the if you go forward, you will be found at fault. and all too often, that is true, that they will be blamed. and even once you have found them, they tend to get housing, but they sometimes don't get the full medical care they need. they may get physical care, but they don't get their trauma dealt with. they often have basically the

equivalent of posttraumatic stress disorder. the best way for someone to reclaim their dignity is to have a job. and if you drop the ball and do not give them the opportunity to work or get training to do so, then they slide back into the old life or never really prosper. they deported, these victims of human trafficking? --guest: one of the elements of the humanitarian trafficking act is the visa. if you find someone and determined it was not their fault that they came to the united states undocumented, that they were a human trafficking force, fraud, to coercion, violence, they can be given a visa and stay here. and one of the reasons to allow them to do that is to allow them to testify against the bad guy, which is doubly for justice , according to that guy away and also been getting access to

justice themselves. host: allow them to stay forever? and other resources to help them get a job -- are their resources to help them get a job? guest: they say for a while, and i think the one thing that deepens this is the ability to become citizens. host: virginia, republican. caller: my name is lowell. i have a friend who has brought all of this to my attention in the last six or seven months. there is a lot of it going on in virginia, which i was completely -- i did not know. guest: that is true. caller: i'm in fredericksburg, virginia. are things like that happening in fredericksburg? guest: there are. i live in northern -- in nearby arlington in northern virginia. there is a church with a

partnership with a local secular anti-human trafficking organization. there were sex victims found in my own town in arlington, in ania, found in a bust hotel. there are gangs connected to central america and transnational crime that pursue this. host: in virginia? guest: in northern virginia and throughout virginia. there are cases of sex trafficking, even people recruited out of their high school. sometimes people of color and minorities, sometimes even not. it is more prevalent in places like florida with apple pickers -- or apple pickers in washington state. but there are some migrant workers where the conditions are so severe that it is human trafficking. host: what is going on in states like virginia that there is this sex trafficking trade happening?

guest: the dirty little secret here is that men who buy women and girls for sex create a problem. i know there is a distinction between prostitution at the adult level and the most coarser forms of human -- coercive forms of human trafficking or child sex trafficking, but frankly, it's not cool. it is not ok that males by females fory sex and there needs to be something done about that demand. slides the male buyers down to wanting to buy children. it is not only the hardened to goes, the pedophile -- the

the pedophile,, but others that are pulled into this market. martin, go ahead. caller: i'm calling to say we are pretty hypocritical as a country on this issue. i don't know much about it, about what is happening in asia. but i know that some of them are winding up here on because -- on s that certain wealthy people, powerful people, they can pull these strings with the immigration system. they can get these women from thailand or whatever over here in places like vermont. after a while, you can figure out what is really going on. somebody bought them, basically. thet: three takeaways from

observations. one, the united states in order to not be the critical needs to look at what is going on within its borders at the same time that it is pushing for the trafficking to be go with around the world. it is very important to distinguish undocumented workers from the human trafficking victims. there is a problem of undocumented workers, but it is very important to realize there of undocumented workers who are, in fact, human trafficking victims. betweento distinguish the two and not sweep them all into the category of illegal aliens. references people who are rich whoever you never here. sometimes people who are haitians or some from african cultures are so used to having

domestic servants who cannot leave the home and they are subject to violence and coercion that they bring the problem to the united states in some cases. the last thing is truly revolting. diplomats who use diplomatic immunity to shield their heinous mistreatment of domestic servants. there have been dozens of cases of diplomats who have been found to be taking a person from a third country and abusing them. groupsre there gangs or that exploit the visa system and large for bringing amounts, or more than one person over to this country? aret: there are, and there two different criminal problems that are related, but not the same. human smuggling, the actual moving of people across borders, and human trafficking, which is the coercion and violation and

human right problem. the language is not very helpful. it is very ambiguous. why it ise reason helpful to think of this as modern slavery. but there are games that will that movess -- gangs people across borders. when those people don't know they are breaking the law, or they may be aware that they are moving as an undocumented person but they are subject to violence and coercion, then they become a human trafficking victim under the law. host: joe on twitter wants to know what role the internet plays in property, specifically the darknet, and how do you counter that? guest: a great question. the internet has really become a platform. early when the trafficking victims protection act was adopted in 2000, there was a focus on sex trafficking that

exert -- that occurred on the street. on the internet it is increasingly hard to track down. but the good news is that the internet can be used as a method for helping people. there are apps, places people can contact. it is not only a hotline, but in places that you can call or e-mail, but there are internet places you can text to get help. host: next call, go ahead. caller: thank you for coming on. my question deals with the fact that when we say sex trafficking, we include as you mentioned earlier, sex workers as well as those who have been trafficked willingly and unwillingly. is there a problem when we

conflate those two? guess many get into the sex field because they are in abject poverty. my question is, when we put those two things together, are we taking resources that should be diverted to the sex trafficking part of it and workers,t to the sex who although they do need help, are not as acute as the sex trafficked child? .uest: that's a great question i have not fear -- figured out the clear line between the good selling of a female and the bad selling of a female for sex. but as in a dolt, it requires force, koran -- force, fraud, and coercion to be trafficking.

let's look at labor. if there was not demand for cheap products, there would not .e forced labor many people who get into that are recruited because of poverty , because of desperation. choice forningful women and girls who are pulled into the sex trade and then end up being coerced into sexed trafficking? i will put my reputation on the line, and i am no more or less, that in fact, the existence of a sex trade, and the guys who buy the united from states are typically not punished for it. that is a problem. host: how hard is it to prosecute? guest: it is hard to prosecute traffickers because in large part we have tended to rely on

the testimony of a traumatized victim, a victim who is scared of the trafficker, and in a stockholmey have syndrome attitude toward them. that is why i want to get away from that kind of evidence, like through the financial transactions of the buyer or other witnesses so you don't rely on this traumatized person, who should be our first goal to help. host: does this conversation help put the spotlight on this? cnn is doing documentaries about it. guest: there have been some big changes. since i was a staffer working on legislation we have moved a long way. when people talk about awareness. i think we are getting there on awareness. we need the action and enforcement. the key things are these people

around the world what they have laws on the books but they are not being implemented. we need to use the awareness. they put this together on their website, seven ways to spot someone being trafficked. do you recommend people alerting the authorities, seeing something happening in the airport? guest: well, it's very easy to jump to the conclusions that is not -- that something that is not human trafficking is human trafficking. but there is a campaign department of homeland security has been running in the last few years, the blue campaign, that suggests the human trafficking victim may be blending into a background. you go into an electric -- and ethnic restaurant and you see people working in the back and you realize they may be sleeping there, they may be a human trafficking victim. it is worth doing her best.

claris project runs a national hotline for the u.s. government, and that trafficking and resource center has a record of saving people. people have called that have spotted a potential victim and they have been able to mobilize law enforcement in less than an hour to get to the victim. host: in new jersey, maria, independent. you are next. caller: i would like your guests to comment on something that i read recently. in, overminers coming rsree quarters of them --mino coming in, over three quarters them are male. is helping them, they are not asked about any criminal record that they have had or gang affiliation. and if they are not adjudicated, they are just first across -- they are dispersed across the

country maybe to join other drug gangs. what are her thoughts on strengthening our border and actually cracking down on accepting people's word without investigation? you for a good question. there are some important things to draw from that. there are male human trafficking victims, and male kids. we tend to think of girls. careful that we have a system in which we can identify people who really are human trafficking victims. lamar smith, the republican ongressman, in the original legislation was skeptical. he was worried people would be gaming the system when they were undocumented workers and illegal immigrants. we never came anywhere near the ceiling he insisted on being put in the original legislation in terms of the human trafficking victims, in terms of the gaming

of the system. at freedom house, we are concerned about the lack of rule of law around the world. the problem is central america have enormous violence and corruption. be that leading to collateral in the u.s., but fleeing the violence in central america. we need to deal with the root problem. host: rittenhouse, what is your route goal? guest: it is one of the oldest r freedom house what is your oot goal? guest: human rights organizations -- one of the oldest human rights organizations in the world. it started as an advocacy organization. since the 1970's it has put out reports on press freedoms and internet freedoms. since the mid-1990's, the bulk is workingdo

programmatically around the world to assist civil society organizations, pushing their government to reform, or to deal with autocrats who are squeezing their voice. host: we go to harrisburg, pennsylvania. sylvia, you are on the air. caller: yes, i was wondering -- can you hear me? guest: yes, we can. under thee nsa patriot act, i was wondering if it was able to help you? i don't think nsa observation can help. thefreedom house and on trafficking issue, i remain concerned that our counterterrorism policy has become an excuse for the winnowing of civil liberties. where theother area united states needs to be an exemplar in her to be a promoter of human rights around the world a promoter to be of human rights around the world. and that should be of concern, who'd hold the -- who holds the

data. the violation of civil rights be a human rights abuse? guest: absolutely. here andhts exists around the world and when they are ready, that is a human rights abuse. i started out with what portraits to put up in my office. we are focused on human rights around the world, but we have a photograph of martin luther king and current congressman john lewis as civil rights leaders convening and meeting on the human rights movement in the headquarters. i put that up to remind us of the long road from slavery to the civil rights movement to the problems of relations today as we work internationally. carling, independent, good morning. caller: i want to ask your guest

what his dance is -- his stance is on legal prostitution. it is never going to be eradicated. it is the oldest profession in the world. so it can be regulated and there can be right given to the sex industry workers. guest: we don't have an institutional perspective, but i have been long on the record since i became ambassador for human trafficking in may of 2007 that i am not for the legalization of prostitution. clear. me be very i am in favor of the system they used in the nordic states where you don't punish the person who is in the sex industry. that is wrong. traffickerpunish the or the regular pimp. but you need to punish the people who are buying the sex.

if you do not deal with the demand, you will never deal with the problem. you should never punish the women and the girls who are in the sex industry, and sometimes the males who are in the sex industry. but i am not personally in favor of legalizing prostitution. host: a lot of questions about the sex trafficking part, but let's talk about the labor. how hard is that to prosecute? guest: it is very difficult to prosecute and if you look at the number of prosecutions around the world, there are many more prosecutions in the sex trafficking area. people are politically motivated by the salacious problem of sex trafficking. they have not devoted the resources to it. it has been harder for american law enforcement to get their arms around those prosecutions. ng track sexafficki

trafficking versus labor trafficking statistics around the world. since we started tracking those in 2008, there have never been more than 20% of the prosecutions being in labor area around the world. there are many more victims of human trafficking for labor than for sex around the world. here is a fact for your viewers to take away. trafficking and labor trafficking are very important. laborare many more trafficking victims, perhaps three quarters of the victims around the world by conservative estimates are labor trafficking victims. but more money is made on the backs of those who are in the sex trafficking industry. if this is about changing the ratio of profit to risk of being

punished, you have to accept that. if you look at a place like cambodia or thailand, you will see both problems. you will see more labor trafficking, more money made by the traffic or for sex trafficking. clearwater, florida, audrey. welcome to the conversation. good morning. i was given the telephone number because i could tell you why i am against voting for jeb bush. i am a republican. i come from a very patriotic background. and i would not choose to vote for jeb bush because because he has decided to not only get his education, but to spend many of his business years living in and in caracas, venezuela. host: what does that have to do

with human trafficking, audrey? caller: i was not calling about that. host: and we are going to move on. we are talking with mark lagon, president of freedom house, rest served as ambassador. we will move on to tennessee. is importantnk it to have jobs ready for people when they do turn up. we have good programs at chattanooga state where people can learn about technical skills and get their certificate and get on the road toward getting a career thereafter they are found. i think the biggest question i would have for the gentleman is, isn't this trafficking related to the actual drug pushing, you know, that goes everywhere? you know, the drugs that are

being sold everywhere. guest: that is a good question. in different forms of transnational reform intermingles. is theppens international criminals look for which thing is easier to do and has a higher profit and is less likely to get caught. we see evidence that has been documented by the office on drugs and crime that there has been nation from solely focusing on drug trafficking to human trafficking when it is more profitable. there is another dimension were thinking about in the sex trafficking, including right here in the u.s. the degree to which drugs are involved in keeping kids and women. style -- keeping kids and women doci and they actuallyle. self medicate because of the trauma of kick