four years, she was charging 200 point $5,000 a speech to college campuses. it seems to me that she was raising it. what we need to do nationally is place incentives for colleges and universities to have students to get financial assistance to keep their tuition lower. but we have poured more money into student loans than we actually solved the rate of inflation. it is sometimes three to four times higher than the national rate of inflation. i know how important it is to make sure we bring the cost of college education down. to make it affordable. that is our plan going forward. we have done that effectively in wisconsin. we want to carry that across the rest of the country. when it comes to all centers.

>> you failed your state! the question was about social security. what it comes to three of the big drivers and federal government. there is medicaid, medicare, and social security. i would send medicaid back to the state. state leaders are better than the federal services are. when it comes to medicare and social security, for people retirement age tour near retirement age, i would not touched. my generation and younger, we will have to put inflation reforms going forward. we will put that out in the coming weeks. i will lay out a specific obama care plan. forwe need a specific plan my generation and younger so we currently inhose retirement and those in retirement going forward.

>> [inaudible] gov. walker: the question was about immigration. months ago, i was asked about this with chris wallace. said i listen to governors in border states and talk to people across the country. i said my plan then is the same as today. we need to secure the border. that means more than talking about it. we need to secure the border far greater than immigration. i have seen the border. it is a national disgrace in the terms of the threat to public safety and to the sovereignty of this country. border with infrastructure, the wall, personnel, and technology. i was in israel. they built a 500 mile fence.

it lowered terrorist attacks by 94%. we need to do the same on our border. we are a bigger country but we should be able to uphold that. we need to secure the border. we need to enforce the laws. [cheering] willie cannot have any century cities. of the of the realm federal law, you needsure a cities in the country. i do not believe an amnesty. i think there are a lot of people who come in -- my great great grandfather came in as an immigrant. his father was a minor. he even shall he made his way to the midwest. but they followed the legal path. believe in amnesty. we need a legal immigration system that gives priority to american working families to focus on their jobs and wages in a way that will improve the american economy. [cheering]

>> [inaudible] gov. walker: the question was about the renewable fuel standard. ethanol -- i do not support it. i do not support the concept. what i came here, i pointed out it is already in place. -- b tax subsidy is gone. the renewable fuel center is still in place. you need to support the industry in place. i would like to see be different standards and mandates bunched together and phased out over time. excessve you get work in , so you do not need the standard. market access is the issue. i have talked to farmers.

in mye already put it state. we try to do the grants to make stations ma and pa gas can actually have a blend of their. if you have market access, you do not need the standard. and consumers make the choice. my time is up. thanks for coming out. god bless you. [cheering] governor scott walker, republican of wisconsin talking about his iowa roots as a child as he takes his shot at the iowa state fair. he was speaking, as have many others at "des moines register" soapbox. a tradition were each presidential hopeful gets 20 minutes to talk to voters there. the governor also taking questions. we want to get your reaction to what the governor has had to say as well as the race in general. the visits to iowa in general. several phone lines for you.

202-748-8921. 202-748-8920. 202748-89 22. a special line for iowa voters, 202-748-8923. we have patricia on the line from new york. emma cracked. caller: c-span is doing a wonderful job at the iowa fair. i am enjoying it. i honestly could not hear or understand scott walker. he talked so fast and maybe too close to the mic. it was very difficult for me to listen to him. i did want to hear what he had to say about a lot of things. host: was there anything you picked up on? caller: there was one thing.

that was social security and medicare and medicaid. that it is very scary that they want to threaten that. put: he also said he will out a detailed plan on health care. the president's health care law. he will do that tomorrow. what does that make you think? i am opposed to getting rid of obamacare. i think it helped many people who could not afford health care and who were rejected by insurers. i am hoping that obamacare does get straightened out. that they get the kinks out of it. out thatwant to point it was a little difficult to hear, but you might have heard rotesting in the

crowd. there was a story out of it wisconsin paper that when governor walker steps on the soapbox, he can count on at least one thing. it is that people will protest. it is a fact of life and the walker presidential campaign and the governorship. protesters are as much an entourage as the staffers and reporters who trail him. it is the relationship both sides are invested in. walker is a magnet for protesters, thanks to his record in wisconsin. and the animus towards the governor enhances his warrior image. but there are risks on both sides. and jennifer jacobs tweeted this morning that people are starving -- said some of the protesters. what about jobs, cuts to education. they are shameful. of the event.lor we go to mike in jersey city. caller: how you doing? i have been watching your coverage the past few days.

the candidates who impressed me the most was martin o'malley. the candidate who impressed me the most was martin o'malley. not only what he wanted to do, how he had the experience in getting the results. areing education costs low passing the dream act to do with immigration, investing in infrastructure. other folks are saying good things, but most of them are legislatures. they talk a lot and do not get results on the democratic side. on the republican side, it seems to be donald trump and whoever immigrants the most. host: what kind of chance d think he will have? caller: it is early. he is picking up in the polls. iowa and him are fickle -- iowa and new hampshire are fickle. you can see people get hot. and things to coverage from guys

like you, you see how people in love thenew hampshire grassroots politics. o'malley seems to be investing in it a bit. host: thank you. dennis is calling from richmond, virginia, republican. welcome to the conversation. caller: thank you. what i want to know is they are getting rid of all of our flag. they are messing with the confederate flag. i didn't believe in slavery either, but also they want to go against the wounded warriors , you know, the pow flag and everything, the black-and-white one. to try tohey going take our american flag away? host: all right, that was dennis there. let's go to florida lauderdale

-- fort lauderdale, florida. , what would you like to see about governor walker or the iowa visits in general? caller: what i would like to say is that many of these candidates in their speeches constantly herck hillary clinton about service. they cap about what could have been or may have happened, but indication that anything did, in fact, happen. it bothers me that we are spending all our tax dollars investigating on what may have happened when there has never an acquisition that anything did, in fact, happen. she served six years. she has been out here. and still nothing has been found

that anyone got anything from her server. it -- thats me that they are spending all our tax dollars paying off the sponsors. [no audio] when heh did in florida had the department coming around saying our fruit trees were all walmartthe voucher to out of the state funds. all right, color, we are going to let you go. other voices are going to get in here. up, carly fiorina at the iowa state fair and then lindsey graham. we will heal -- hear all of them again at 8:00 tonight.

tomorrow is marco rubio and john kasich. we will continue to be all over this iowa state fair in des moines as the candidates continue to speak. scott walker is struggling. they write that when he returns to the fair on monday, he will be in an uncomfortable position watching competitors in a crowded field threaten his hold on a state he needs to survive. the governor is suddenly thinking in the polls in a summer overtaken by the massive antiestablishment wave. he did not commit the early momentum into committed caucus-goers. now he's got to restart his engine and that is not easy to do. this comes from doug gross, who supported mitt romney four years ago and has yet to commit this year. the silver lining is that the race is still winnable for walker, because other top-tier

candidate have yet to ignite. they are excluding donald trump from all of that, but that the others have yet to ignite. winchester, which state are you calling from? caller: massachusetts. host: winchester, massachusetts. go ahead. was an i suspect it audio problem with the microphone that he had. a good candidate with midwestern manners. getall, they really have to to candidate, trump and clinton. the way tows all msnbc, all they do is try to disparage those two to theidates and build up candidates that are doing less well in the polls. and the e-mail scandal, i agree with the prior collar, is bogus.

and she is being treated uniquely different from other that it had similar physicians cannot were lower positions within the government. i think if you dug into other servers and how other people conduct their e-mail sending and receiving, you would find similar issues. thank you. int: moving on to james chelmsford, massachusetts. james is a democrat. caller: thank you for taking my call. i watchjust like to say this oh i love -- this whole iowa march. bernie sanders is the one person who is saying truthfully. host: what is he saying that is ringing true with you? caller: everything from college

affordability -- why is high school free and college costs $50,000 up to $100,000? that is one. i would like to comment on one other thing. i am a disabled american and they are saying social security is in danger and social security disability is in danger and facing a 20% cut to the disability part of social security coming up. none of the candidates are addressing that. i have 11 discs fused to my spine. not everybody on disability is a faker. building40 years mansions for rich people to live in. part of the deal as i paid all of my fica taxes and social security taxes and if i unfortunately became disabled, they made a deal with me. i fulfilled my part of the deal and now they are not coming through with theirs. and republicans are for this.

they want to go after the weakest and disabled and the poorest in the country. i would like your's channel, to about the republican party in general and the , they'ret as a whole getting ready to do away with the disabled. it is shameless. host: clapton very, connecticut. caller: oh, hi. host: good morning. go ahead. timer: i had a terrible trying to understand what scott walker was saying. maybe he should use a different microphone or some. hope carly to say i gets big as the vice presidential candidate. theink that would give

republicans a very strong to get , and especially if hillary is in the thick sure -- in the picture, we need a woman on her ticket. host: thanks for calling. on the lighter side, the washington post reported over the weekend about the i was state fair. it's sort of fits scott walker's calorie heavy, all-american diet. a dive skip day or saving of calories to enjoy regional cuisine, such as greasy pork chops or deep-fried snickers, instead of just taking bites, finishing the whole thing. but scott walker eat like this pretty much everyday, documenting his caloric intake on social media like a wrestler. trying to bulk up for the season. last call is from sue in des moines.

what are you hearing in general from these candidates? who do you like question mark -- who do you like? caller: i'm hearing a lot from candidates in wisconsin. most people got a one dollar property tax refund from the governor. you can findn legislation to cut $250 million out of the largest economic engine in the state, which is the university of wisconsin university system, and then turn around a month later and sign up the taxpayers for a $250 million debt for the new bucks arena, that is not exactly being honest with the public. one of the things and and intimidated scott walker like to talk about is the protesters.

mr. not intimidate allowing a protester right in front of him to be attacked by his own supporters and he did nothing to stop it, nothing to hold those people accountable whatsoever. and he was trying he was trying to see the stage that the protester was being attacked by his own people. this guy is a paper tiger. he does not tell features in front of cameras and it is very unusual that he even takes he isons today because virtually -- we came to see him because you cannot get access to them. i went needs to wake up.

our that theg in same can happen in wisconsin, the coke others money, -- the koch brothers money will happen in iowa. carly fiorina speaks today at one p.m. eastern time and actors between will take more of your calls. and then lindsey graham today at 4:00 p.m. eastern time. all three of these speeches, governor walker, carly fiorina, lindsey graham, will re-air at 7 p.m. tonight. that is it for now. >> tonight on the communicators -- >> he was really into into sci-fi and that pushed him. and he'd always heard about silicon valley and he dreamed of getting to america. at 17, he just ran away from home and did it. >> bloomberg businessweek technology reporter ashley vance

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america anymore. >>we do spend a lot of resources on the folks that are not trying to help themselves. >> when it comes to race relations, we are just not there yet. >> do it a bit -- does anybody feel that race relations are where they should be? that few? >> put a man on the moon. >> why the looting and violence? >> angry and being viewed as not people. more than 50% of whites and more than two thirds of blacks feel that race relations are bad. >> where do we go? i don't know. >> 239 years, part of this great of the united states

of america. there have been incredible things on many fronts. >> change has come to america. and yet we had still seeing dramatic event. even hatred. causes is lostis for the entire society. beyond my comp ranging to do the act that young mandate. whitels show that 60% of people are uncomfortable discussing race was someone of another race. 71% for blacks. but we need to talk about this, race, and honest conversation. i'm bruce johnson and thank you for joining us out there. left it started. why are we not talking about -- race? are we afraid of anything? let's begin with my colleagues. i don't think people in a

district afraid of things, but misinformed. the average american does not ofe on its knowledge dissemination. if people were more and formed about the realities of their generational history for my don't think they would be afraid to talk about things. not everything as a matter of personal indictment. many people, white people in particular, say i had nothing to do with what happened hundreds of years ago. why am i being targeted? >> all of these discussions, it's coiled in to present day. you cannot talk about present-day without the context of history. we are in what i call the 51st state ofrace, the denial. you have to talk about these issues that have a real impact on people's lives. >> a lot of people talk about

but over the kitchen table, they won't talk about it with someone else. >> it is hard. we are overcoming generations and generations of the way we have been taught not to do something when we step out and do something. but we also have to her member is not a single topic. it is made up of many topics. and one of its big subdivisions is gender. race and gender do go together >> take a look at this poll. 15% of americans say yes. 47% say there is no difference and 44% say we are further apart. what is the problem?

democraticormer congressman from the state of georgia. >> it has to do with inculcated urban tensions, which are in fact a part of a history of segregation in the south and de facto segregation and the north, something we do not talk about a lot. it is just a victim of circumstances. i do not think he is really bringing people together. he's got other things to worry about. particularly in the past few months, these occasions have divided a nation beyond his control to bring it together. bruce: you do not think -- past the mic back. you do not think the president has led on race here it back in

2009, 97 percent of after americans who went to the polls voted for barack obama. they voted in a higher percentage than whites for the first time in history for barack obama. what did they want? >> i think they wanted unification, leadership, and a better community for their community. that being said, the reality is barack obama's election -- i -- election was powerful, and an excellent opportunity to address the race question. i think black folks and white folks, because of his election, stop working on or toward it. i think african-americans got comfortable thinking it would get better on its own peer white -- on its own, and white americans said, we are getting rid of the guilt because we have got a black president. bruce: if barack obama had portrayed himself as the after american blacks had wanted to see, he would not have gotten elected, a lot of white would not have voted him. uncomfortable letting this man with a black agenda. right were wrong? >> i agree with you.

i think barack obama did a really good job of positioning himself in the middle on race issues. that has caused some problems. it has allowed race riots and race issues. we have not been having this conversation that is necessary. and as we see with the brutality that can happen it continues. , bruce: go ahead, scott. scott: that is true. barack obama does not have to have a language or is beach to support black causes. -- or a speech to support black causes. i am more concerned about his actions. what is his legacy leadership in connection across this country? that is what it should be judged upon and that is where i think he has had his challenges. i don't think he has done enough. bruce: you are a conservative republican? barack obama got 43% of the white vote in the general election. a lot of people did

not vote for him. how are people viewing barack obama now? >> i can hardly speak for white folks. the democrats will tend to vote for the democrat running for office. the republican party faces a great dilemma here right now. the party is trying to do outreach to certain communities and certain folks do not care about reaching these communities because they think the communities cannot be won over. it is a complicated process. part of the reason why barack obama, opposition to him is seen as racist is because it is because of race. it is because he is a member of the other party and we live in a partisan society right now. >> i think we're overanalyzing this incredibly. when you have the same problems with glass ceilings as you do with race and glass doings, it is because we are afraid to lose power.

whoever is afraid to lose power will create things where they make it difficult and speak down. barack obama has been a good president. that is why this has come out . they wanted to have a problem with him and say he did not do a good job. he has done a phenomenal job and we have to realize maybe a black and can be a resident and can lead and maybe they are equal. the white man continues to lose power, and you will entrance yourself. -- entrench yourself. bruce: anyone back your want to join in on this? brendan: my name is brendan cooper. i think it is a false choice, whether obama has done good things are bad things. i think he is not a factor. there are a lot of issues that need to be dealt with. they will not be solved or helped by one person. bruce: who is writing those articles that say it is the end of racism, the election of barack obama. who bought into that? who thought all of this we were talking about tonight was behind

us? a show of hands. you do not believe it? >> i did not buy into it and i voted for barack obama. i think the question and discussion should not only be about race relations, but about racial justice. too often, we talk about racism in this country as a conversation and a discussion. the issue we really have from decades on, the summer of the to parallel the summer of we are not getting 2015, enough justice. for the first time, we are starting to see them get locked up here that is a good thing. i want to see that type of accountability. bruce: barack obama past the halfway point in the second term. we have got people mistreats -- in the streets chanting black last matter.

-- black lives matter. does that offend anybody, the slogan? you are offended by that in the back? come all the way up here. tell me who you are and why you have a problem with that slogan. >> i am from montgomery county, maryland and all lives matter here not just black fly spirit -- not just black lives. you cannot have an honest conversation about black lies -- black lives mattering when over 1600 people this year have been shot in chicago and over 50% of the shooting victims are african-american males. just yesterday, 12 people were shot in chicago. that does not make national headlines. >> can somebody respond to him why the black lies slogan is -- the black lives slogan is relevant? >> i'm an activist here in washington, d.c. black lives matter because when you look at what happened, there has not been black justice. black folks are under attack here you may have six children

and you can love your children equally but you have to love , them adequately. we have to put adequate attention to the issues in the community. bruce: stay on topic here. let's address black lives matter. he has got a problem with that slogan. >> i agree that all lives matter. i think you have to understand the source of that sentiment comes from, a source of frustration and anger that goes back to a point in history and time where you had a literally drop of blood, you are considered not to be equal and racism was then condoned. it is woven into the fabric of who we are as a country. it is a cornerstone foundation. bruce: here is what i took from it when i first heard black lives matter. it is understood that white lives matter, but they were

trying to draw attention to, do not forget black lies matter as -- black lives matter as well. in my misunderstanding? >> there is a certain amount of privilege saying all lives matter versus black last matter. -- black lives matter. there was an editorial cartoon where the equivalency they did was, an image of a black child saying black lies matter and a white hand over the mouth saying all lives matter. the idea is they are not mutually exclusive. if they were not miss very to say as much, the notion would not be an issue at all. they would equate black ceilings -- i would caution to equate glass ceilings for black men and women. you have got to understand male privilege is the first privilege. it is a tough comparison their and i want to make sure we got that out there. >> anyone who deals with the history of the nation, not the propaganda we get in schools, but the real history of the country, from the very beginning, but classwork

-- black lives were cut modified. ommodified. they matter only inasmuch as they produce for those who own black people. it has only been a generation. i am 40 years old. my father and mother went to segregated schools. america has only tried to remedy this in the law. one generation ago. two separate from the true history, these are the united states of amnesia. we are not willing to do with the true history that got us to where we are. there are a couple of things the . point you are making, the point about frederick douglass or with women's rights the point where we see the break , with frederick douglass, with liberal whites in the north, it is precisely over this issue where white women in particular

say we want the vote. if we do not have the vote, certainly black men cannot have the vote. i think it is very important. to reiterate the point, the default has always been white. you are moving out of that position. black lives matter is problematic in some ways because we still have to say that. because the default position fundamentally is still light. bruce: i need you guys to look at this here. people are doing better, i me would not have this problem of, i am losing so you must be winning pair take a look at -- you must be winning at my expense. take a look at these unemployment numbers. took office.obama we just need a reference point. the black unemployment rate has gone down. for hispanics, the numbers almost 7% today and has gotten better pay her for whites, the unemployment rate is 4.6% compared to 7% in 2009.

asian, 4% compared to 6%. the point being, it has gotten better for the economy -- and the economy has gone better. i want to come back to you, chris. when you're talking on the phone, you're talking about a group of white men out there who feel as though, who are we -- as though they have been cheated. that nobody is speaking for them. who are we talking about? chris: in terms of white privilege -- >> we will talk about what privilege later we want to talk about employment. chris: a lot of blue-collar folks in world areas in -- rural areas in particular, they do not like when they have any real privilege. -- they do not feel like they have any real privilege. they find it hard to get a job and they are worried about jobs going overseas and so forth. think abouthey

immigration, too. they think other people should be taking their jobs. chris: it is unfortunate. the fact that we have a black president, playing into some anxiety. folks feel like, my position has not improved. meanwhile, those people are over there. there is a bit of dissonance there. whenever you have a situation where the economy, people feel -- the economy is bad and where people feel like they are left out of the economy, people will find people to blame. the people coming across the border, -- and they will be blaming people such as black folks. bruce: moving on coming into doubt have seen the images on television benefit captured on cell phones. mostly african-american males who ended up dead. in these incidents with police. ferguson, cleveland, the university of cincinnati police officer, north charleston, and more and more and more.

you have seen how these cases have ended up, or those who are pending. take a look at this segment from baltimore. [video clip] >> these officers did nothing wrong. >> we are disappointed in the rush to judgment. matter! lives >> west baltimore is also referred to the other baltimore. it's not only tourist map. people feel left out. >> excuse my french, asked the leaders. the leaders is us right here. >> they do not like baltimore police here. >> we have to characterize them as a whole. they look at us as a whole. >> even he for freddie gray died in police custody.

>> a high crime area could you know what happened? they are now able to stop anybody for any reason. >> it will not be solved in one day. it is something that involves a lot of work and a lot of good people. policing our own police. bruce: i kid you not, if you have not been to west baltimore, you do not know that part of west baltimore. watch the wire to get a better sense of what is going on there. i was there covering. i'm going to go to this gentleman over here, michael wood, again. a former baltimore city police he is officer. what is zero tolerance? i understand that is what police in baltimore were operating under. there is this zero-tolerance policing. they were doing it in new york under rudy giuliani what does it . mean? >> i had zero-tolerance under martin o'malley. you do not have that system anymore, at least not officially.

what you have with freddie gray is an instance where you're going after somebody walking the streets and supposedly have a knife. and the cops stop him and go into the pocket, and up arresting him throwing him into a metal box, and he ended up on the steps to your they were on tv and they will say, we did nothing wrong. it is the academy of white -- it is the pitted me -- the epitome of white privilege because there is not a chance any of your kids -- >> tell us your experience? baltimore gives us another story. baltimore sop has >> another story. what we want because we have over criminalization or what does that mean? we have sandra bland, where no matter what happens, the police can justify detaining you for a time. what that enables you to do is not necessarily look for the crime but look for your chosen

suspect. everyone is criminal when you have laws that make everyone do things that are illegal. we have a false ideology that is who the people are who commit crimes. those are the people who do commit crimes in our records, because that is what we are looking at. we create this cycle where we are arresting people because we arrested them previously. bruce: most of the crime is committed by the young african-americans, how would you respond to that? >> it is mostly committed by them when we look at them. for instance when we go out, we , know all the races carry drugs, if you were to stop anybody to look for drugs, you would prima find drugs at the same rate. but we find we arrest more black males in the city for that, or pretty much anywhere, that is what we're looking for. it is a false narrative when someone says we're looking for crime. i would call them a liar. bruce: that is from a former

cost. how do you begin to reform the -- a former cop how do you begin . to reform the police departments that might be similar? >> i am focused on getting money out of politics. i do not think we can get politicians who will do with the people want. i do not know how we can get that when we are supported by donors. bruce: of go over here. you have represented people. >> i have represented defendants on both sides. the reality is, whether it is baltimore or urban police departments, we have got to get rid of the us versus them mentality. i agree with the officer over here, but it goes down that. us versus them is the thin blue line. that is, where you are seen a shooting and the other officer says, i have got your back. he says, do not say anything, he has body cameras. when i was in law enforcement,

do you know what we called lack and around defendants on the halls on the right out? animals, dogs regularly. , if you go patrol the streets externally, i've got to tell you, you will think of those individuals the same way. secondly, who are the police officers we have been choosing? in the last months where the shootings have taken place, my gracious. s they have done with a badge and a gun, we have got to do better assessing who we are giving a gun and a batch two. -- a gun and a badge to. it is a great way to begin in this to police department. -- in this police department. bruce: he says he wanted to work in the black neighborhoods. that is where the fun was. to go back to your point, you can make your own rules there.

that is what he says. >> we do not know what biases and prejudices people are bringing to the street with regard to law enforcement officers. what we're talking about his -- is leadership. last night, we had a republican presidential candidate debate and there was more time spent on the nwa movie commercial after a 32nd segment in which this issue and the issue of race relations was not discussed. that is the problem. we have a cancer. organisms are killed from the inside out and that is what is taking place in our country. bruce: right here in the front. , we believe that we have to cannot wait for white people to fix our communities.

i believe the church and politicians need to start to havetogether stronger relations within our community. that is the only way that black people will advance. bruce: young lady right here. >> hi. i am olivia brand, and i'm from baltimore city, attending the university of maryland, and i would like to completely agree because when i thought would -- i saw what happened in baltimore, i did not do that as, you know -- i saw that as someone being killed in my home, a family member, someone from baltimore. everyone was so focused on the cvs burning that people were not focused on a life taken. white silence is the killer. i believe that wholeheartedly. bruce: an interesting poll in the criminal justice system, half of americans holds that the polled now say that

the criminal justice system in the u.s. is biased against blacks. that is up 35% from two years ago. gentleman in the corner. greg: hi, greg from montgomery county. i think you are absolutely right, there is a serious problem with the administration of justice, and it comes back to the war on drugs and the inexplicable reason that as a society we think we can legislate individual voluntary behavior, and if we change that, i think we will see a lot of these problems go away. bruce: let's go to facebook. anthony duncan says he let because it away at civil rights and soon no one will have civil rights. marie brown says -- the discussion needs to take place on how to comply with law enforcement, it is not about equal rights these days. there is a distinct problem with how people are behaving when they encounter a police officer. anybody want to weigh in on that?

>> we can focus on law enforcement, but that is just the most toxic tip of his iceberg because when you go and go for a job and you are discriminated against, it is the same poison happening in a far more subtle form. when you look to rent an apartment or buy a home and discrimination takes place come -- takes place, it is the same poison, it is just more subtle than when there is a gun involved. this is part of a larger systemic and institutional problem that we have to address. if we only focus on law enforcement, then shame on us for not focusing on all of the other issues that we have to deal with, but we have to focus on law enforcement because lives -- black lives -- do matter. bruce: and police officers are in a unique category. they are the only ones with a badge and a gun to take someone's life. most of the times we will try to say it is justified. it is an important right that i -- that they have. i have a lot of cop friends. if i need help, i will call them.

but i say to them, clean up your own act clean it up, if you have , a bad apple, clean it out. she has got bad cops that she cannot get rid of. go ahead. dana: it is incredibly problematic that we are not looking at the officer, particularly in the sandra bland influence. black women have been sassy their whole lives. snark is a part of what we do. it is not that you have the angry black woman stereotype in the jezebel stereotype, but literally what she said -- the officer said, you have got a problem, is something wrong, you seem like you have an attitude. she does have an attitude because you pull me over for not using a signal. that officer could not figure out how to get out of that situation. he got deeper and deeper into it and would not retreat. bruce: then his training should have kicked in. absolutely. dana: yes, or his humanity. >> that if that -- that gets

back to the point that supremacy rules what we are talking about. the way the system is set up in the country, going back to trying to catch slaves on the streets that people have presumed had escaped. this is how we have set up the policing system in our country. if you think about how much negativity get into our mentality that he was doing right and wrong, it is interesting to hear your point about you are at the fact that people were not talking about black life matters amongst people running for president, but you had a problem with the "nwa" commercial. i learned a whole lot more from the nwa that i will ever learn from any politician, and to me, that was as important. what they are not talking about is not as big of a deal, which is part of that supremacy problem we run into. it is hard-pressed to use our own agency to do what we think we need to do. bruce: hold on a second. let's go to charleston here take a look at this. [video clip] >> why did you do it?

reporter: according to authorities, 21-year-old dylann roof sat with his soon-to-be victims for an hour in a bible study class listening to them pray, watching them worship before gunning them down. >> it is hard to explain to your children. >> i am mad, i'm hurt, i am angry. i want to know why it happened. reporter: roof's friends that he had recently reconnected with roof. >> he told me black people were taking over the country and he wanted it to be segregation. reporter: roof is also facing 37 -- federal accounts, among them 33 hate crimes for the june massacre. >> this is an unspeakable act. >> we woke up today and the heart and soul of south carolina was broken. and so we have some grieving to do and we have some pain we have to go through. bruce: reverend lamar of the ame church in washington, the sister of mother emanuel in washington,

reverend, what have you seen since this? reverend lamar: you cannot take what happened in charleston out of historical context. that exact same church was burned down in the 1800s when one of the members of a class was trying to have a meeting to have an insurrection against the slave owners, the white people in charleston at the time were concerned because there were more african and white, and they were brutal to the africans and were trying to keep the africans suppressed. what i want to say currently is that we continue to give people asking us questions, but they do not want to have a real dialogue. how is the church protecting itself? they do not want to talk about how dylann roof came into that space with the ideas that animated what it is that he did. my friend here from the republican party, the current republican party, i am not a big fan of democrats, either, but the southern strategy engineered by richard nixon was used to blow racial dog whistles to rally white people to roll back

the very few legal remedies that came forth after the civil rights movement, and they continue to trade on that continuously. america needs and must be willing to have difficult conversations. stop with the smokescreens and the shields. we know that the narrative that is animating these spaces that continue to control black bodies, that narrative is old and has not been broken, nor has it been challenged. it just re-creates itself generation after generation. bruce: is anybody surprised? the gentlemen here. cj: i am an intern at the white house initiative for asian-pacific islanders. the part of the discussion that was truly inspirational is that racial relations is not a black and white issue, and there are other folks out there, other ethnic minorities i do take part in this discussion, and being an asian american, being one of the few in the studio today, i think that is very important for us to remember. the indian temple shooting for

thatur years ago, resonates with me as much as it resonates with the troll stench the charleston shooting that happened a couple of months ago. there is a discussion amongst asian americans law enforcement. danny chen died from hazing. it is important to remember being inclusive of other voices, having besides of race discussions. it goes back to the sentiment of the gentleman that spoke before, that all lives matter. i believe in the black life -- black lives matter movement, but we need to be inclusive of ethnic minorities and i would like to take a step back and ask every in this room to bring other voices who are not often heard on television or mass media. bruce: very well said. can we get a mic back there? just stand up. hold on a second. identify yourself quickly for us. trish: hi. i am the immediate secretary of the d.c. -- party, and i do not

-- the d.c. republican party. i do not mean to be disrespectful, but people of african american dissent have had to live through -- descent have had to live through 400 years of discrimination. we do not know where we come from, we do not know our names, however, those who have had the ability to come here by choice -- they have a option. you can find out where you come from, you know what country of origin you come from. the vast majority of us in this room have to take a dna test and hope that we can find out who we are and where we belong in the diaspora of african american, so -- african-american history. so please do not ask us to be little, do not ask us to stop,

do not ask us to include because if it had not been for our blood, sweat, and tears, this country would not he where it is right now. bruce: anybody else want to respond to that? while we are back here, the lady in the back, no, right here in the front. your name, please? gail: my name is gail schnell, i am a u.s. army veteran as well as the president and ceo of schnell tech solutions. i just want to say that i respect each and every person here and each and every race, and we have all suffered some sort of injustice if you look at the past, speaking from the asian-americans like a minor for the japanese, they have gone through concentration camps, and these are all of our ancestors. the only way we will move forward is learning from her -- our past, learning from our mistakes and moving forward together as a whole. i have a child, and with his classmates asked him -- are you filipino? and he said -- what is that? and he said -- are you from the philippines? he said, "i am american." i want one day for us to not see a color, not see a race. so many interracial couples, i

am hoping that after a while we will stop the hatred and try to find all the ways that we can help each other out and be a better country by working together, just like in the army. we are made up of women, different races, and i have faced racism, i have faced discrimination being a woman, but i choose not to dwell on the negative and focus on the positive. i put myself out there to try to help where i can come in and hope others will follow. bruce: thank you very much. i want to get as many people as possible. let's move this way. this gentleman right here. >> i am from baltimore leaders of a beautiful struggle. to the original point, the content of the conversation, a lot of people are afraid to talk about race. we need to focus on the structure of supremacy. not in terms of people feeling about a particular race, but we are talking that institutions that benefit financially, politically, by undermining humanity, people of african american descent. there are industries profiting

off the suffering of our people, and that is the impetus behind what we saw in baltimore in terms of use of the -- years of the institutionalized oppression of the people in those communities. until we get what that, we will -- until we deal with that, we will not deal with the problem in front of us. bruce: point well taken. the gentleman with his glasses on. >> [indiscernible] bruce: hold on a second here and i cannot hear his mic. hand him another mic, please. go ahead. >> i just wanted to say some front from the white house initiative, as a fellow asian-american, i think you really needed to hear what she said because i think a lot of the way asian-american issues are framed is hey, we experience this, too, without ever saying not on the same scope and magnitude, right? but i also wanted to speak to the second point about reforming police and law.

i mean, i think when we talk about reform, we need to talk about fundamental reforms, not just a reform here, reform there, because i think we are in a political system that gives us left versus right and these are , not useful categories cheered -- categories, but we've got to be thinking bottom versus top. bruce: but go to this woman who has had her hand up for quite some time. samantha: i just wanted to say really quickly i think going back to the issues with dylann roof and the conversation that has brought up, i think one of the problems that i see with conversation and discourse that has come from that is it is sort of derailed the conversation on a personal level because it has given people something to point to and say no, that is racism. that allows us to ignore the systematic and institutionalized racism that is really eroding very deeply the demographics of this country that are affected. bruce: it reminds me of the lesson that president obama gave. just because you do not use the

word. good point. let's take a look at this piece. [video clip] reporter: august 1, marysville, virginia, that is ben jones, former democratic congressman in georgia, probably better known as cooter. >> ain't no doubt about it. you've got big trouble here. he has built a cottage industry reporter off the character he : portrayed in the early 1980's popular sitcom "the dukes of hazzard." he is the owner of a major attraction, but he is also leading a charge to save the confederate flag. >> we are not ashamed of our ancestors, we are not ashamed of the symbols of their courage or valor. reporter: defenders of the flag came out on a saturday. >> when this flag has been used for hateful purposes, it is a

desecration of that flag, and it has in the past, it has been misused, we know that, but so have the american flag, so has the christian cross. reporter: they feel outnumbered, maybe even betrayed by mainstream southerners who are now openly reconsidering the legacy of slavery and its symbols. >> so many people die because of that flag, and just to remove it and pretend history did not happen is wrong. >> do not take my flag. it is important to who i am and where i came from. >> the men who fought under this flag -- it was not about defending slavery. slavery was not something they had -- slavery was something they inherited. it was an evil, but it was the national sin, not the southern sin. reporter: a young white man pictured brandishing the flag, and the flag had to go said south carolina's governor. governor: that flag, while an integral part of our past, does

not represent the future of our great state. my hope is that by removing a symbol that divides us what we can move forward as a state in harmony, and we can honor the nine blessed souls who are now in heaven. >> we love those people that were in the church and died. >> why crucify everybody because of what one or two or maybe four people do? it doesn't make no sense. reporter: some here seem resigned to the flag coming down over the statehouse, others say if only will stop there. taking the "dukes of hazzard" off tv -- nearly because the confederate flag is painted on the general lee -- >> it is cultural cleansing. that is what it is. there is no other word for it. bruce: congressman ben jones in the studio. take it from there. you know a lot of people here want that flag removed from

public space. you don't have a problem with that. ben: well, it depends on the public space. i think that it is cultural cleansing. you have got your member a few things here. 70 million to 80 million americans are descended from the confederacy. no one here got to fill out an application form one we came into this place. we did not get to decide what color we were going to be, who our ancestors were, and in studying the turmoil of american history, i understand that indeed, slavery, which is a lot longer than america, started in 1619, white and black bondsmen came into jamestown under the english flag from 1619 until 1776. under the american flag from 1776 until 1865. those men thought they were doing the right thing, and lincoln in his first inaugural address said he has no problem with slavery. now, that is a tough thing for

people to get around, but if we really study history, we have to understand, first of all, the owe to thewe know -- african-americans, and i think that is clear. they did not, after 1865, have the same starting line as everybody else, but if we're going to move ahead, we have to go by things that dr. king said. he had a dream that somehow on the red hills of georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveholders will dine together at the table of brotherhood. we cannot do these divisive things, making these broad brushed characterizations of all of us without a reaction. bruce: let's say statehouse taxpayer funded structures. ben: those are different argument. they should be taken on their merits. there had been a compromise in south carolina that removed it from the capitol dome, where it should not have been put it at a

, confederate monument. that deal is done. yes, i think folks he understand what i'm saying. every confederate monument, every confederate statue, every confederate flag, every cemetery is now on a list, and throughout this country, every day, it may not show up on the media, but our flags are being threatened, our heritage is being threatened, and we did not -- bruce: we will get into that. i want to split this up a bit. let's talk about the confederate flag flying over public -- and when i say public, i mean taxpayer funded buildings. >> it is our heritage, and we are proud of it, we are not proud of what happened as far as slavery. i do believe it is completely wrong and should have never happened. but attacking our personal property -- bruce: get him another mic because we need to hear this.

>> i do not believe that slavery was a good thing, now, attacking our private property and it is on our vehicles, which is happening right now, and there was a gentleman on a street bike in georgia, and there was a gentleman flying the flag on the back of his pickup truck. the gentleman on the street bike was african-american, and he jumped off of his street bike and pulled his fight off this drug and ended up dying. now, i do not want to see this happen. this is very of setting to me, and the fact that they're coming to our private property to take what is ours down that we, that is our heritage -- bruce: in everyday agree that if he wants to fly the confederate flag on his private property, that is his business? >> no, no. bruce: marjorie, you disagree. marjorie: first of all, i want to know, what is the heritage that this flag represents? what is the southern heritage

distinct from the american heritage when you separate out the issue of slavery? what did the confederacy do that was so distinct if it was not a slave state? ben: slavery existed in every state in this country. it existed in every colony before that. slavery, you will come to understand, it built the american economy. it built wall street. read the book by the editors of the "hartford current" that established that it was a northern enterprise. what it was with a bunch of people who went out in their time to defend their rights, what they felt were being threatened in that system. if you want to fight be civil war here, if you want to fight the civil war here, no.

>> i am not saying stupid things, i am expressing an opinion. >> ben, if you read the documents of secession, the states as they seceded, they were clear that it was about nothing other than slavery. it was clearly about slavery, and it was their determination, they wrote it themselves, that their culture was contingent upon slavery and the eradication of slavery was the eradication of their culture and their property and -- bruce: let's go to noelle back here. noelle: we also have to understand the confederate flag was not and did the civil war, it was used decades and decades as a symbol of hate. "birth of a nation," one of our first feature-length film that

celebrated the klan. i am not saying we need to get rid of it completely, but i think it belongs in the museums because as a historian, it is important to keep. >> when i hear my new friend, ben jones -- [laughter] my new friend here, um, you cannot have it both ways, right? i hear my new friend say it is about southern heritage and he does not support slavery and he quotes martin luther king, junior, ok, he is talking out of both sides of his mouth. the reality is that this is a symbol of hatred and death, and you know what, it should not be on federal or state government buildings or locations. you want to put on a museum or your house, that is fine. bruce: let me hear from lenny, then we have to move on. lenny: here is what i cannot

understand what i hear the phrase "southern heritage" -- that suggests that the south is white. it is not. the south is multicultural. if we were to talk about southern heritage, wanted it make more sense to talk about rosa parks, to talk about the abolitionists in the south of fight against slavery? why is the confederate flag, which symbolized a nation that tried to continue and perpetuate slavery, the symbol of southern heritage? that is not make any sense to me. clinton: i think there is more to be said here, though, which is a basic historical lesson, which is a confederacy is not some part of america -- it was time to leave america. that is to be understood here. when you assume one into another, that is a historical, that is faulty or when you talk about atonement, i believe there are a lot of people that do believe that some concept of cultural heritage around the show that the one you were on, shows like i watched as a kid,

but if you are going to go with atonement, as for people who were most affected are you do not get to just make the rules of your own atonement if you really actually care. you go to germany, you not see symbols like that. from a symbolism standpoint, that is what i am saying. ben: no, no. clinton: i am not disagreeing with that, but -- >> let me say this quickly. first -- bruce: we are past the flag. we are moving on. >> it goes back the white privilege thing. when you are showing the thing about dylann roof, it was white privilege when they took him to get a sandwich after they arrested entered when your essay like person, they are being handcuffed, hogtied and everything, so white privilege exists, so when we talk with his

idea, until white people, been say reparations for black people in america because everybody who has been wronged in america has reparations, and the white privilege that have, when you locked of our people -- bruce: we have not heard from the gentleman right here with the hat on. >> white privilege -- here is the thing, louis ck said you can get in a time machine and go anywhere. today, i can go anywhere in the planet, i am walking down a street and a hoodie, i know i will be fine. other people cannot do that. that is what is important to understand, that people who are black in this country, latino in this country, if you are not white, if you're not a man in this country, crazy things can happen to you. that is white privilege, that i can do what i want, and i'm going to be ok, and that can always be set if you are not white. bruce: erin, one of our really talented producers here, told me

when we were rehearsing about a conversation she had with a black female colleague. erin, tell us about that conversation. erin: i was shopping and telling the story to a black coworker, and i was kind of puzzled as to why i was in a fancy, upscale bethesda store, and know what that high me, no one greeted me, and my black coworker's response was, well, they do not think you are going to steal. if i walk into the same sort, they will be like hi, how are you doing, let me help you with this. they kind of tail them. it never occurred to me that would happen. i just thought it was bad customer service and not someone profiling shoppers. bruce: a show of hands here, how many people are followed going into a store? ok, let's see. well, whatever, if you are followed, you are followed. ok, show of hands. the white gentleman in the back here has been followed. talk to me.

stand up. i need to get a mic over to you. why do you think they were following you? >> well, it was christmas time, and i was going to a toys for tots party, and i wanted to get a toy, and probably because i was a man walking around a toy store and i do not have a wedding ring on her any kids with me, i was going through the toy aisle, and one of the guys came up to me is that excuse me, sir, can i help you, and give me a dirty look. bruce: young lady right here, right here. what about my colleague here? do you want to talk? go ahead. erin: i think that is the point, though, he was followed in the toy store because he looked out of place in the toy store, and we see people of color get followed in stores because people inherently assume that they are out of place, they should not be shopping in here, they must be stealing, and that is racism. bruce: i have to ask you because we're running out of time.

solutions -- where do we go from here? we have to leave here. let me start with you, what do you think? dana: a conversation -- it dovetails well with the part of become a station we were just having. one solution is if you think about it in the hong kong -- in the context of what the comedian said, no matter what i go, wherever i go, that is absolutely not true. it is not true. if you go back far enough, you do not exist. so if you begin to help us to recover what it was or what life looks like before race became an issue, and you stop the cultural cleansing, and we get historical accuracy, and we do not teach the beginning with avery in the u.s., and we begin to think about the world in terms of the world and not the white world, then it is a very different conversation. our point of perception is different. bruce: i'm looking for solutions.

hurry up. >> lots to talk about here. bruce: no, no, you do not have the time. >> bruce, i think you have lost your viewers because this has been a liberal program. however, if you want to shut down conservatives emma talk about white supremacy -- conservatives, talk about white supremacy, and so on. a lot of conservative whites out there do not even think that racism even exists. you have to go with baby steps here. that is a big problem. you want people to listen, you want to have a conversation with them, and -- >> what are you saying to your colleagues in the republican party? >> it is a big problem because right now donald trump is tapping into a situation here, they do not want to hear what

you are saying to them. they do not want to hear a lot of it. it is a difficult thing for a lot of them to hear. bruce: ok, we have run out of time, incredible conversation, we will continue it online. i want to take all of you, and we certainly would like to thank all of you out there. thanks for joining us. have a good night. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> tonight, on "the communicators" -- valleyeard about silicon and dreamed of getting to america. at 17, he ran away from home. vance on one of silicon valley's leaders, elon

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you scott, we showed walker as he spoke to supporters and protesters. we will have carly fiorina in about 15 minutes from now. we will open our phone lines to get your reaction to her remarks. later today, lindsey graham is at 4:00. patakiht up with george as he met with fairgoers in iowa over the weekend. >> i did grow up on a farm and i spent my whole life on a farm. every saturday, we take some of

our grass fed beef down to the farmers market. it is a way of life that taught me the value of hard work. what matters is what you do. one of the largest problems is this fluctuation of prices. whether it is corn or wheat or soybeans, the market fluctuates greatly. open up and expand markets to new possibilities. great peach crop looming in the hudson valley and then you get a hurricane. crop insurance, because of the vagaries of nature. you have to understand that is cannot protect against a natural disaster. >> what do you think of the state fair so far?

pataki: i have been here five or six times. i am certainly going to go see the pork shed and hopefully do some grilling and eating and make the rounds of say high to as many people as possible. >> i was reading a wall street journal interview, you said, if you could just get attention, you would win. get your message out. do you feel like you have been able to do that? mr. pataki: this is serious business. it seems like so much politics is entertainment. who is going to land in a helicopter, who is going to be indicted, how do you fit things bite. 30 second sound but leaving america is a real job. we need grown-up government. i now have the ability to deliver that.

this is not partisan, narrow government, but in american government where we solve our problems together. the last of our presidents to do that was ronald reagan. he had to work in a bipartisan way. >> thank you, governor. mr. pataki: thank you. >> appreciated, governor. mr. pataki: all right. thank you. i appreciate the opportunity. [laughter] >> nice to meet you. mr. pataki: good to see you. >> [indiscernible] mr. pataki: it may be more interesting for you. you never know. we may go back to politics is entertainment. >> [indiscernible]

>> thank you very much. mr. pataki: thank you very much. sure. >> [indiscernible] >> stand right next to him. mr. pataki: new yorkers together. native new yorkers. >> [indiscernible] mr. pataki: thank you. >> keep doing what you are doing. mr. pataki: thank you. sure. sure.

>> [indiscernible] mr. pataki: oh, yeah. >> [indiscernible] >> i really liked your remarks earlier in terms of business, the regulatory things holding you back and you can't make long-term decisions. one of the things i ran into. mr. pataki: one of the things i did, we looked at the office of regulatory reform, repealed regulations that were killing us. >> [indiscernible] >> we've got to go up the hill fast. mr. pataki: thank you. >> if anyone wants to walk with us, you are welcome to.

mr. pataki: whereabouts? whereabouts? >> [indiscernible] mr. pataki: thank you for your service. >> [indiscernible] >> kevin mclaughlin. thank you for being here. great. mr. pataki: thank you. [laughter] >> thank you. thank you. mr. pataki: how are you? nice to meet you. >> [indiscernible]

mr. pataki: hi. nice to meet you. good to see you. >> [indiscernible] mr. pataki: so we are off -- >> [indiscernible] mr. pataki: yes, that would be great. thank you all very, very much. [indiscernible] >> hello, everybody. this is governor pataki from new york. [indiscernible] mr. pataki: oh, yeah. >> proud to meet you. thank you for coming to iowa. >> welcome to iowa. mr. pataki: thank you. >> there he is. mr. pataki: nice to see you.

thank you. >> governor george pataki. there he is. >> governor, what do you think of our state fair? mr. pataki: oh, it's fantastic. [indiscernible] >> [indiscernible] mr. pataki: thank you. i appreciate it. i have always had a soft spot for ag. >> you mentioned you had some history with our governor. mr. pataki: he was governor when i first got elected. he mentored all of us, including me. now i have been out of office for a while, and he is still going. still doing great for the people of iowa.

i'm just proud to have known him. i worked with him for so long -- >> i am just proud to have known him. i worked with him for so long. hillary clinton, there is criticism about her e-mails. what do you think, sir? mr. pataki: it seems like every week she tells us something that does not turn out to be true. now she is saying it is partisan politics. more likely than not, she has committed a crime. and i think this warrants a special prosecutor. this is not simply a political issue. this is the secretary of state in all likelihood -- [indiscernible] that is just outrageous and certainly warrants such a prosecutor. >> you mention your speech coming down hard on isis. what would be your strategy as president? mr. pataki: the first thing, support the boots on the ground.

we have the kurds incur to stand. -- in kurdistan. they are not getting the support. baghdad is heavily influenced by iran. i would provide training, support, supplies directly to them so they can be the boots on the front line against isis. second, i would ramp up the bombing. much more aggressive than we are today. at and beyond that, we have to stop turkey from allowing others from the middle east to go support isis. i would put pressure on turkey to say, we have got to stop this and make sure that turkey is not used as a border for people to go joint isis. and finally, if need be, i would go send american special ops. i would destroy the training centers. not spend 10 years or $1

trillion trying to nation build, but simply destroy their ability to attack us here over there and come back home. >> what is your favorite part of the iowa state fair? mr. pataki: i am a beef guy. i am looking forward to seeing what is going on in the beef industry here in iowa. >> it will be a first for your campaign. mr. pataki: it is a first. and a lot of retail politics where you sit down and talk to people. like just this afternoon. you do not know who is going to ask you a question or what they are going to ask you. that is the best way to determine whether or not you are an ready to lead america. you do not have the pollsters. you have your feelings and beliefs and that is what i love about the iowa caucus. >> candidate george pataki. thank you, sir. mr. pataki: thank you.

hi, how are you. george pataki. nice to see you. >> nice to see you, too. thanks for coming to the fair. mr. pataki: are you having fun? good to see you. >> can i get a picture? mr. pataki: sure, sure. did you get it, lauren? thank you. mr. pataki: george pataki. how are you? you look very relaxed. >> [indiscernible] >> [indiscernible] >> how are you doing, sir? mr. pataki: how are you? >> thank you.

>> there you go, there you go. pataki: how are you? you.e pataki, nice to see is that all for you? [laughter] you?re how are you doing? good to see you. nice to see you. >> governor george pataki, ladies and gentlemen. mr. pataki? where are we off to?

>> have you met governor pataki? pataki: i hope you are space.me to that pork everything is good? how are you? how are you doing? how are you doing? how are you? >> governor george pataki from new york.

mr. pataki i am doing well, how are you doing? kevin, did we ever hear from kevin? >> [inaudible] pataki: i don't see it.

>> the plan? -- what is the plan? i would love to see some of these exhibits.

how are you? george pataki. >> nice to meet you. >> how are you? pataki: i grew up on a farm and we had horses. you guys are having fun? you.to see >> enjoy your time. >> leaving this now to go live to the iowa state fair, remarks from former hewlett-packard ceo carly fiorina. she is the sole female republican running for president.