being cast this time around? guest: my sense is we are seeing shaking the traditional cards. is talking about getting the aesthetic for up to a certain percent, i'm not convinced. immigration is something that is left versus rightvers but up versus down. they don't understand why the public is concerned about this. sanders and trump are not conventional left-right candidates. is ank what you are seeing real reshuffling of the deck for fullump -- disclosure, i'm not a big fan of -- is actually expanding a lot

of the potential republican voters or voters interested in the republican race because he is talking about issues that a lot of the conventional republican candidates really don't want to address in a detailed way. they want to audit a few cliches utter a few cliches because they don't want to upset their donors. that is getting attention. a lot of black voters are saying, we want to look at this, when ordinarily, they would not be paying attention to a republican race. i think trump and sanders are shaking things up in a way that the usual republican versus democrat correlation of forces is breaking down. guest: mark has a very good point, right out of the gate this morning. , when you look at support across the country, on

congress, it is one of the few public policy issues that has support across the political spectrum. when you look at polling, anywhere between 65%-70% will support immigration reform. on how you asked the question. there is no other public policy issue that has that foot of depth-- that sort of across the political spectrum. realizel candidates that yes, it is good for hispanic voters, but there are conservative voters who want a rational, compassionate, and smart approach to the immigration system. host: gallup just did a poll on that two, and it said out of three want to see those living here in the country, they want to see them become citizens. guest: a lot of the polling is

hilarious. they asked, do you want to allow whow-abiding immigrant calls their mother every sunday and rescues kittens and in want to loado you them in boxcars and leave them in the desert? it is binary. much of the public is resigning to accepting some sort of amnesty for a large share of the illegal population -- the rapist and murderers. what the polling doesn't get at and what ali doesn't want to explain in detail is what are the preconditions for that kind of support? think there is public support, at least resignation, for an amnesty, but only as the closing credits of a movie. only after we have fixed the

problem that has created an 11egal population of million or 12 million in the first place. that commitment moving forward -- there is no credibility on the part of politicians for the public. the public simply doesn't believe that this time we are serious and will enforce laws. had the same deal -- amnesty now in exchange for promises in the future. the old saying is full me once, shame on you. me.me twice, shame on enforcement has to happen for us, and it has not happened. guest: i would argue that at this point we have an enforcement only immigration system. we are spending billions of dollars on the border. when you look at border enforcement, it is the largest love with the agency in the

country. we are doubling, tripling, if borderdrupling down on protection. ool me threeful times, it is time for another option. created ahey never legal immigration system. that is the challenge here. we need to create a legal immigration system that visa when the economys is booming. we don't have that balance right now. that is why people feel like, what is my stake in this? is the serving my interest? at the end of the day, people are worried and concerned about their ability to make ends host: the numbers are on the creen if you want to ask questions about immigration campaign ecially in 2016.

for t aside a line immigrants also. r. krikorian what does enforcement look like to you and s there a candidate even if donald trump speaking closely to what you would like to see? guest: ali said we have been spending on enforcement. doing is at been the physical border with mexico. that is not nothing. that is very important. starting with the clinton dministration we have spent significantly and extended border. on the the border patrol significantly larger than it used to be. but to is necessary this day the border patrol is bout a third smaller than the new york police department. it is not as though there we overboard. this is what is important and i think trump is talking about the

and everybody else, as of illegal 1,000 immigrants that will settle in the united states today, about a day, most come in on isas and don't leave and we don't have a good way of checking people out. checking them in. if you don't know who left you don't know who is here. congress the past 20 years has mandated eight times the electronic che checkout system for foreign visitors. still not in miss. until some -- not in place. some elements such as people when they hire they know they are being lied to, until they are in place we been demanded for decades and still are not in place, we having a be discussion about what to do about the illegal immigrants who

are here. first you need to plug the hole boat.e needs to be done. needs to be put in place in parallel. resources orcement are facing this, the 11 million the overwhelming majority are contributing to the economy. e need to take them and figure out who is here and who is going learn a fine, who will english and prove they are of good moral character and start a process of legal status. ou take that 11 million and shrink it and focus the law enforcement resources. well you are able to

implement whether it is an interagency system original e-verify in an effective way. right now we would be spending money hand over fist to go over a haystack that there is a solution. that creates millions of taxpayers. guest: there are two issues. e-verify seems like and exit tracking, visa tracking have to check people out nothing really to do with the illegal immigrants that are here. e-verify is new people hired and people cking about new had overstay visas. woulda practical sense it distract because it is an enormous challenge. umber two there is the political incentives. even those people -- and i'm ali is serious and sincere about his commitment enforcement ng the measures and there are probably some congressmen who are telling their commitment to implementing these enforcement methods.

the if they are telling truth, once people are legalized happens right away -- all the incentive to commit getting this enforcement thing done, funded, pushed hrough the bureaucracy, resist the courtroom jihad that will aclu and others the incentive to follow through evaporates. that is what we saw in 1986 f. t 1986 the basic deal was the amnesty mmigrants got in exchange for banning the future nt for the illegal immigrants. it was employer sanctions. happened and the illegal immigrants got amnesty, took a process years to everybody and then one of the ore actors in that deal, national council said we have to

get rid of the employer sanctions. they were welshing on the deal. runs thor of the report immigration policy for the white house. so why anybody would believe bait an switchof wouldn't happen again is beyond me. let's start with the first maryland.eenbelt, democrats line. caller: good morning, c-span. i'm a democrat and african-american scientist and i speak german and spanish. i'm concerned. supporting hillary clinton and she is the only one the command in chief qualities and she has put this country on the map as secretary of state. bad mistake when ou say one of your guests says african-americans consider donald trump. we is a bad choice because

have latinos in this country oming from south america and other parts of the world and doing a great job in this country. diligent workers and intelligent people. to demonize like donald trump is is a very bad mistake especially in the south. become conscious of a mult people.ional you can't run for president and hope to win without multicultural support. i think that we would consider donald trump as a very bad decision. bernie sanders is good ut i don't think he will be overtake the front-runner in the democrat i would be supportive be hillary it will clinton. guest: quite an endorsement there. 1986 between amnesty back k put it and reining

enforcement, our economy depends ability to balance the current need of the workforce grow.w things will researchers have shown that over 1.4 to 1.6 re is trillion dollar improvement to g.d.p. with immigration reform. th a function a.m. immigration system and such as nts measures e-verify. if you just do one thing such as gains are all the losses and they are losses to the economy. taxpayers ot take annual workers out of the economy. we should grow and add. that has made us great. krikorian. guest: ali is saying the way to deal with immigration is pretty in of coureverybody that

corporations want to come in. we passed a law in 1990 after 1986 amnesty which dramatically increased legal immigration but it increased illegal. more legal immigration always leads to more illegal do gration unless you whether the logic of ali's position suggests, which is you who wants to dy come in. then you don't have any illegal immigration. true, but i think it is seriously detrimental to american orkers, to taxpayers, to have high levels ven current high levels of immigration. that is is one thing trump's policy paper, which i'm not sure even read but the one he released about a week ago for more is the need moderate level, curbing current immigration levels. specifics have any but the idea of dialing back

which is n from 11, where it is now, is an thing and it is going to require enforcement because here's an unlimited number of people who would move to the united states if they could do we end the all caps. my logic is one, not that we are advocating for an unlimited number of or oeulgs., legal we would rather see an end to illegal immigration. is saying is that to ial back immigration means we want to contract our work forms. of ant to limit the number farm workers coming in. decrease the number of farm of ers, decrease the number engineers and decrease the number of folks contributing to grow.conomy and helping us keep the best and bright epls out of the country and so the united states. that is the logic that mark is putting forward.

we need to contract. we don't agree. we believe we need to expand and we have to have an immigration system that strikes a balance between what our currently and what our economy needs moving forward. that is what is missing. we have to have caps. we need to have a system that fluctuates with the economy. that means that the status quo undermining american week, needs to end. host: we will take a call. georgia, bobby is next. caller: can you hear me? you are on. caller: i think the topic itself confusing because we keep mixing two topics. ne immigration and one illegal tkpwraeupl segregation. missing one hat is should be from the center of

study and ration other from the national illegal immigration forum because they immigration legal and that is what is confusing. topic c-span would do a on legal immigration, tell people how many people come in explain the process and then so people can have a on how great this country is when it comes to heal immigration. that might help when we turn around and talk about illegal. right now they are conflate past the two and talking each other and not helping. as far as donald trump is i love d i'm black and him but i don't want him to be president because i do like him. our president is in a gilded cage and i don't want that. the ast he brought this to forefront and i'm thankful for that. host: we will focus on the legal side. guest: we take about one million

legal immigrants a year. talk about green cards, a green card is a document that says you are a resident of the united states. you can become a citizen if you meet requirements but you get to the rest of your life if you want to. we give a million of them per significantly higher than even 20 years ago. it has been going up significantly since ted kennedy laws in he immigration 19i -- in 1965. two-thirds come because they have relatives. a family relationship. everybody agrees that the illegal system needs to be reformed. ali and i don't agree on how it should be reformed. legal immigration, i want significantly less but it seems there are elements we agree are dumb and we have to get rid of. lottery. the visa we give out 50,000 visas a year

t random to people from any country that except the top dozen. the point is countries that could get them. the dumbest thing any country thought of. no other country has a visa lottery. it.hould get rid of instead of trying to fix everything in a 1,000 page bill a couple of te did years ago nibble away at parts nd maybe we can agree on small areas, maybe little bits of progress instead of doing once.thing at guest: what happens is for -- ple there's an h 26r7b-a h 2 a program for farm it creates incredible criteria on an operates on a very thin margin. so won thing i would propose is program and streamline it and make it much more simple

the workforce get they need. when you talk to growers in the south or west that would be a change because at the end of the day the labor shortage on farms will impact does impact the food supply. that is a perfectly reasonable immigration legal system that meets a critical need. even legal it is not immigration. that is a guest worker program imported as are indent toured servants and have and if they farm break the rules they are thrown out. this is saudi arabia style immigration. guest: i think we have an immigration we would like to improve that. or abolish it. thosewe have the line for illegal here. caller from fort myers, florida. go ahead. caller: i'm calling regarding was mentioning immigrants that lie to obtain

the job within the company. but my perspective from the different.is the immigrant mind is this. poverty they ch come here because they know there are jobs. e-verify is not used is they say people that hire illegals don't want that. they have cheap labor. insurance, they don't receiver social security it.n though they pay they don't receive benefits. they don't receive medical insurance. because they here know they can get a job. f there is e-verify and passport is implemented nothing of this will happen. the part thatm is the illegal immigration comes acause they know they can get job and they get a job because the people that have big

business business, they hire them because the labor is cheap. host: tell us are you here legally? caller: yes. host: what do you do? with attorneys n, criminal attorneys and immigration attorneys. guest: her point about jobs illegal reason immigrants come here is right. it is y is only -- voluntary and to online and free and easy to use. used it for years. the problem is that it is not mandatory for everybody to use. so, the people that use it, roughly half the hiring in the year went through e-verify. so it is not a small thing. use it are more or less law abiding legitimate employers. congress needs to ake e-verify, phase it in over

a few years for you a employers. all employers. that is something congress needs own.ss on its it is only for new hires so it won't be throwing millions out who are illegal immigrants, which would be disruptive. let's pass this and get on with it. guest: our sense on e-verify it government intrusive program that would cost $2 illion to implement and continues the country down this path where the government has everything, ss to all of your records. ut the unique part is every employer would be drilling down to an individual's data. dataapply for a job and my comes back that i was born in states what is my grounds to

appeal? do i not get the job? peeiece.ne solution?he rational rita had a great point. demand for labor. legalize the labor and make workerrs not just of the but employers. then the playing field is worker so the american is competing for the same wage immigrant worker and one employer is not able to undermine their competitor they are flouting the law. so change the law. we can blame the immigrant for the problem. guest: this is not a big intrusion because the big government intrusion was 1937 when the social security passed. employers already have to collect information to send to and social security when they have to hire somebody. they get the information and online. what e-verify does is enables them to make sure that this

hired is or is not lying to them about who they are. stuff information is they have to collect and send to the government. verification theyronically to make sure are not being conned. host: our guests joining us to immigration and issues of campaign 2016. for those who are here illegally one topic to call being debated of course the idea right citizenship. jeb bush having to respond during a stenson. a little bit of what he says. where it stands on the campaign up segregation. bush: enforcingb

the rule of law will solve the amendment issue. if people are here legally and who is born hild here i think they ought to be american citizens. eople like marco rubio by the way that is how he came. so to suggest that we make it talented person like that, not to be a candidate , i think we are little overboard. listening to the emotion rather than the reality of this. fixing immigration is important because it is not only important people are frustrated because there's a lack of commitment to the rule of law but change the legal to be an economic driver for the country. being here topic is now discussed what do you think about whether mr. bush said? these are t of all, babies born within our border nd we shall welcome them as citizens because they will become contributors to the

from a moral perspective i think, we think citizenship is the right thing to do. i think the way the debate has in the race for the republican nomination has been best case unfortunate and worst case rather ugly. demonization of babies is just a really slippery slope for countries. we are talking about our constitution. 14t 14th amendment and it treats everybody equally and something as a nation we should hold dear. host: mr. krikorian. we could do a whole show on that but that element was assed to make sure after reconstruction southern states couldn't strip newly freed black citizenship. that is the reason for that. our practice has been to give is born hear citizenship except the children

f diplomats and even they get citizenship, really. the issue is something general was -- jeb said is correct if we fixed the immigration we shrink the number of immigrants giving birth but it born to illegal immigrants but birth tourism. more ing like 30,000 or per year people from china, russia, turkey, korea come here give birth exclusively to get a passport for their kids then a couple of after months. foreign students who are here kids are irth, those u.s. citizens even though they will leave and go back home. we have had a couple of terrorists that we had debate about whether to use force citizens.merican they were citizens in the sense their parents were here as briefly and ents left. there is problem we need to

draws. except veloped country canada and us got rid of their automatic citizenship for and tourists and illegal aliens law. we need to look at how to modify it. the constitution doesn't mandate it. we have based our policy on it. but it is not mandatory. we need to look at whether this changed.e host: tyrone from north line.na, democrat caller: i would like to hit on a few points about this anchor stuff. these people are been human beings and the immigrants that are human beings. donald trump is stirring up anchor calling them babies in the republican party. a homeless man was beat up donald trump t said. donald trump is disease to this country. he is all about self. it says in the bible the earth is the lord and and these ereof people have a right to come here

and live and raise their be citizens. i don't see nowhere in the constitution or bible where it this country belonged to white or black people. tkpwof god put us here. stop about the 14th and think of the 10 commandments. host: his point or anything that was said. for a latino, an that comes and wants to start they have a child they think of the child as their as their child. child. so anchor baby is disrupt active and turns people off. those are the facts of it. here is that ing if we can go down the path of of pe and create a class people that really have no country and in texas for example

not to give h children of undocumented certificates th ecause that mother is presenting t. so there is no legal relationship between the her mother. or that means parents will not be in to enroll the child school or make sure it can get medical services. at the end of the day there is not just harming us as a country but harming children. talks about birth tourism, i read the report his organization put out. counting 30,000 people based on addresses and what was when they give birth. this is a challenging problem i would agree with governor bush the way it address it, fix immigration system and create a system for people who to here illegally to get legal status. guest: i'm not wild about the

term anchor baby. ben babies but president anchor oved they are babies because before november refer to the o children born to illegals as sense that makes it harder. youhe margins it would help avoid being removed from the united states. but it was not formal. announced ent obama last november was illegal born kids with u.s. would get to stay. anchored. so the term is president obama's doing in a sense. ratified the idea of anchor babies. so i would say call the president. host: mark krikorian is the executive director of and ali on studies noorani executive of the and nal immigration form be we are talking immigration

issues. greg is up next from georgia. caller: i heard many ideas bounced back and forth. a lot of talk about illegal immigration has it do with software, e-verify, building a wall, what have you. rational myself a libertarian. these people come here as the because fort myers there are jobs here. we believe in magic. stands in mexico on the southern border his labor is worth the market. crosses into the united states we have mandated that his labor is now x. if any of the cost with the by gal immigration is burn the host -- borne by the host countries or birth country of to where we actually legalize them coming in, the here are made legal, we identify their host service they y

take from the taxpayers are the country that sent them we don't need a law. their own countries will hold them there. but right now it is an economic benefit for them to have the united states because sthepbd money back to -- hey send money back to their countries. i would like to know why we don't deal with this on an basis rather than emoving families, destroying ing agricultural businesses in need additional labor that are not met in the united states. guest: his point is that or low skilled immigrants create costs for our ociety and they do, very large costs. because in a modern american society if you have a low level even if you have degree you hool cannot feed your kids.

ou cannot earn enough money to feed your own children. it is not possible. o the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants with children are feeding their kids on our taxpayer funds. the problem is the idea of sending that the countries of honduras is going to bear the healthcare and lunch and all the rest of those costs that are imposed on by letting payers the honduran in is ridiculous. that is the same as donald trump saying mexico will write him a check to pay for the wall. it is stilly. it what happen. hen you let in low skilled people into your modern society it will cost you an enormous amount of money. there are two ways to deal with it. walthal them off welfare system. the other is the only thing that

orks and you don't let low skilled people from abroad into your society in the first place. caller had an interesting point. he was saying for example mexico should pay the cost for a low skilled person who comes to the states. then he talked about growers and farmers needing workers. what we are seeing is the skilled farm worker from mexico omes to the united states, picks our food, helps put food on the tables and restaurants, that the agriculture industry prospers. in any number of ways. for every farm worker this are works from that farm american and large jobs. are we saying that skilled farm worker that we need as much as skilled engineer is a net benefit to the united states but mexico should pay? therein lies the challenge of

immigration policy. about domestic and economic needs but it is about relationship with countries such as mexico and how to strike a balance. the balance is completely out of bee need to find a way that the worker coming is a good job and himself or her family is ucceeding and paying taxes and reaching their american dream and can go back to mexico and isit and come back to the united states and make their live. for john on the line illegal immigrants john from maryland. caller: i have a comment about .he children adults can be dealt with but born and all s they know is that particular and the law says we have to

of the does that make law? baying people who are the loudest about illegal immigrants are immigrants look at the we history of the world going back whatever, the or time that there was immigration to this country. everybody was born in this country that became american by virtue of being born this country and now the law i don't ng because -- know exactly what trickggered ts discussion. it economy? s it people are feeling american resources are being spent on illegal immigrants most of them don't receive benefits that much. some of them do. another point i needed to make

at the immigration facts, what is kultd immigration what is called immigration is not dealt with. being the prevent pathogen. the pathogen is business of big countries affairs like smaller countries causing mass immigration. left to their own devices and fails. host: thank you for the call. has an he caller interesting point. right now there are 50 million of le who are in a state migration and you see what is happening in europe and around pressures that are created in sending and receiving countries. handles ited states this quite well and as a result and remain a beacon of hope and prosperity for the

population. but we need to control and regulate who is coming and who is not. we do a very good job of who is coming and who is here. his obama administration deported over two million people since coming into office the country.history of the so, we as a country have to find is lance and figure out who here and who is not here. at the end of the day this is families anchors but and making sure families are able to remain united. mr. krikorian to his point of the deportation policy of administration. guest: smoke and mirrors. he number of people deported started increasing in the clinton administration and from made the d bush they investments in the infrastructure it detain and people to their home countriesment you look at the graph it went up like this. obama was inaugurated it stopped growing and now it

started declining. the relatively high levels that they have maintained over he past few years has been through playing statistical games. they count people as hadrtations that previously never been counted. for the secretary of homeland admitted it in congressional testimony. that is only part of it. doing is fewer criminal deportations because said we are evenly going to focus on criminals. and we are not going to deport who are not criminals. being illegal immigrant is not be deported.o even the criminals they are not deporting. taking steps against -- not taking steps against cities or cities that want it deport and feds say let we see the murder in san francisco, one in khaoefrd and one another santa barbara of illegal immigrants the authorities had in their

possession and knew they were let al and criminals and them go and they commit crimes. his administration has been amazingly irresponsible in the area of public safety in immigration. million is two million. those are two million people removed. have been serious threats to the country and people who do not deserve to be here. here is that local law enforcement are the ones caught in the middle of this broken system. working with and alking to electrical -- local police officers and they look at the deportation policies and see the federal government is trying a local police chief and shiver an immigration agent and chief or shiver realizes as soon as they can someone their ng a crime immigration status the reports net imes will plummet and effect is the criminal, whether prey on s or not will the documented immigrant because

report.w they won't some cases the individual should detained and turned over and removed but there is a lack of cooperation between the government and local law haystacknt because the is so large and policies because f the way the fourth amendment is set up there is a lack of declarity is a detainer a warrant? no. immigration detainer. is it warrant for arrest an detention? no. -- local electrical law enforcement is creating a seen as n so they are immigration agents. guest: almost everything you said is incorrect. the detainer the request the immigration sends is explicitly out by congress as something that doesn't require a warrant that locals are allowed people. the only reason there's a legal

to sort clu has tried of bootstrap phony constitutional claims to scare jurisdictions. what they have said is your little sheriff's department unlimited funding to sue you to kingdom come. what we tell you. they have sent letters to every law enforcement agency in the saying we are coming after you if you don't comply of our interpretation immigration law. he other point is ali said communications 20 communications between local law enforcement and immigration is strained. this administration is the one that dismantled the existing for don't think local.e and that is one of the prerequisites for moving forward to an amnesty s routine systemic cooperation in every instance between state and local law enforcement and

immigration and there is no that that has a hilling effect on immigrant reports. guest: there is an incredible evidence in terms of ocal law enforcement saying this is not good for my ability to communicate with the commu t immigrant community that i'm trying to serve and protect. on public uge impact safety. the los angeles sheriff's department is not a small shop. they are caught in the middle and realize if they are beyond the mebody murky hold they are in ground. i will guarantee you the l.a. sheriff's department is not dealing with aclu. they are trying to preserve and protect residents and operating abundance of -- bounds of the law. host: this is larry from

vermont. caller: hello. wait a minute. host: go ahead. how long ago the senate ?assed the immigration bill host: are you asking about the senate immigration bill? caller: yes. why didn't they vote on it. the let's talk about legislative efforts. guest: as a practical matter new congress the bill touched into a pumpkin. they only last for a period of a congress and the beginning of the year the if you congress is we are 115th or 114th. that was from the 113th so it disappears. house didn't vote on it last time is the house disagreed. 1200 pages of a complete to tryafted by lobbyists to satisfy a variety of interest groups. bills are passed by one and not the other.

bill 744 passed in june of 2013. the house didn't have to vote on that. they didn't have to take it and say we will vote it. they had ample time and create their own strategy and own set of vote on thebills to course of the 113th congress. down pretty good money speaker boehner is looking at the debate saying i probably done this. because right now again the republican party is running the of not just alienating his hispanic ters but -- voters but moderate voters. that was like 744. i think that the house of representatives in 2013 or 2014 missed a huge opportunity to fix this problem and from a policy perspective as well as a political perspective. the outlook for this congress is tough and moving anything constructive around immigration issues is slim at best.

host: the next year anding in? guest: nothing. he fact is that the house paid such an enormous price, republicans, for not passing it picked up seats last november so they didn't by a price. something likeed the senate bill they would have been anil lated. annihilated. they would have certainly last seats. as far as this congress and last year, i he end of next don't see anything substantive happening reaching the president's desk. something may pass the house. i don't think anything will pass it is a 60-vote threshold. will haveative action to await the next president. larry from athens, g. georgia. caller: i want to ask the candidates about something no ne seems to be talking about and that is -- i'm sorry, your

your candidates. reaching talking about out to canada or mexico or south merican nations to negotiate ome sort of unified policy of ma americas about drugs. it is obvious that the demand mostly from the united states of away so whyot going don't we take the supply out of the hands of the criminals and and put it in the hands of the farms and let their grow and land be a nicer place it live and solve some problems.n guest: number one, i would not country's problem with drugs and drug trade is problem and th our challenges with immigration. i think they are separate issues. in favor of we are increasing security at ports of

ntry along our border because that is where a large number if drugs, money ty and guns are smuggled so talk cut ports of entry and down supply to drug trade. you idea of security what do you think of extending the wall on the southern border? at private you look property owners they are up in arms about that. cost of look at the over $5 billion to build and nvironmental impact under maintenance cost it is a terrible idea from a policy and ective, economically even from implementation. here are better ways to increase border security. entry.invest in ports of but second is create heal path come to the country then they don't put in the situation

f how to enter the country illegally. guest: let people in legally so illegally.come in so there is no limit. any limits will require people be arrested who are not criminals because there's no imitation practically speaking as we are seeing in europe. as far as the wall goes, i this sort oft like focus on the wall or a fence fencing, its really is not a wall. we don't need a physical barrier the gulf miles from coast to the pacific ocean. we teed more than we have. bout a third of it has any fencing and some is economical like three or four feet high for cars but your grandma can hop off it. of myself ures hopping over it. we need double fence being some. that.2% has the improvements we need in fencing i just don't like this focus it trump and

others say we need a wall. won't some the whole problem and there are reasons it is not places.e money in some in west texas big bend national i was there last year. land. complete waste it is the surface of the moon t. is beautiful but there is go.here to i would rather spend the money that we would put in a fence for instance in port of entry because ali is right going the legal ports and sneaking stuff in cars and trunks is a big problem we pay attention to but could use more resources. host: we will have one more call marietta, georgia. aller: i'm a black american citizen i'm livid with this and rsation about illegal legal immigration. first of all, both of them

corporations. the corporation benefits from illegal because they get low workers that they don't have to pay and they don't have to hire american workers. then the legal immigration, here is a higher level employees such as in the tech filed that undermines those that are tech savvy but corporations don't want to keeps this lie being spread there is work that don't want to do and what they do is do the bait and having a having agriculture workers saying they don't want to do them. mericans don't want to do it for the pay. that is different than saying they don't want to do it. the to the benefit of corporations. his issue is not that big a deal but we don't have the will

a ause if we would find million dollars for each illegal or person that shouldn't be it would be taken care of. care enough about american workers. community you ck have our young people from 16 to 24 2450% unemployment. how do you bring in others and ou have not satisfied the american people. host: thank you. guest: there are no jobs the americans won't did. thereke down all jobs and were only four little ones that had a majority and even there a majority of foreign born workers immigrants, legal illegal. jobs that people think of as doneamericans won't do are by americans.

born janitors are native americans. 75% of them are americans but for e won't do this work the pay that a lot of employers want to pay. does, high tion levels of immigration, legal or loosens the labor market so the employer is in the to when seat as opposed the market tightens the the ective employee is in driver's seat and he gets to say that job looks pretty good i take it but ing to ow about we get 3tkpweget 50 ce an hour and i have better dental care. to have dinary workers stronger bargaining positions. higher immigrations means the stronger have the bargaining position. agree with most of what mark said there is no job do.ica what there needs to be a better

balance between the power an emplo employer holds and worker and all workers whether they are born here or not should be able a good job at a good wage and make sure their family and can build a skill to reach the american dream. agree.ly the difference lies in the solution. n there case awake blame the immigrant for bad actors who are employers undermining american or who and competitors are bringing people in say the tech community to undermine u.s. born engineers or create a system that levels the playing field and makes sure all who are undocumented become taxpayers and as a nation we are moving forward because as a nation if we don't figure this workforcepulation and will shrink the next 50 years and as we see around the world that have shrinking workforce are not succeeding. host: even with that somewhat

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