focusing on a specific targeted kind of case where people are organizing to bring again women into the country where they have children so that children can become citizens. tot is fraud and we need enforce the law. we need to create a more secure border not just at the border but across the spectrum. 40% of the people that come here illegally came on a legal visa. and portion the immigration laws needs to be a high priority. -- put more resources >> how will you refer to these issues? >> give me the name you want me to use and i will use it. guest: i sympathize with jeb bush. there are some people who illegally, cross the border because of their interpretation of our constitution and our

laws. children born to women who are physically in the united states whether you are here legally or illegally become citizens and that triggers all kinds of protections for them and their relatives. that is not something we should be passive about. they are here illegally so we should enforce the law. term was the use of the anchor babies a slip of the tongue? guest: i think it's just a term that has been used a lot for these babies of people who came who wererposely pregnant to have the baby. i much or how many people there are. he is not referring to people who were born to illegal immigrants. he is not referring even to who are settled in. he is referring to a phenomenon which is a real phenomenon. host: this is from "the new york times" --

guest: i love when the new york times gives republicans advice and gives them good marks. they believe the law should be enforced. liberals have become so extreme and immigration. their view is that anyone who

shows up at the borders should be let across. a pregnant woman should be let across in their baby should be a citizen. fine, let them debate that. the times does not want to debate immigration. many want cheap labor and think it's a political matter and it's risky to deal with immigration. it's not going to hurt republicans to speak about immigration. debatese interesting about the numbers of illegal immigrants but these are policy questions that deserve to be debated. i would prefer to be in the republican shoes. maybe they will make some mistakes and offend a few people rather than the democrats who are in lockstep on a liberal view on this except for bernie sanders. inhas thought about this talks to working-class people, he realizes there is a problem with having a large number of

immigrants legal or illegal coming in and taking lower wage jobs which some americans might otherwise get. host: this was your feet on feety -- -- this was your on monday -- -- tweet not sure what he's thinking you for. you have said donald trump has peaked. guest: i guess he is thanking me. i was a little puzzled. there is the clip of donald trump joining a pro wrestling exhibition and being part of the show. he has learned something from wrestling,love a pro insulting the opponent,

over-the-top rhetoric, the showboating. i don't think we want a president who does that but he is entertaining. i talked to someone went to his talk in alabama. anti-trumpt really but it was a fun friday night and he was interesting and entertaining. mean when it comes to very or march, they will vote for him. i don't think he will keep going. he has stabilized. people thought he would disappear. he will say something and everyone will jump on him. the media thinks the media's powerful that if they criticize him for his treatment of people that every supporter willfully and that's not how it works. he had a meteor rise. i think he will stabilize. i don't think he has much upside beyond that. i could be wrong.

he could be a phenomenal. i don't think so and the rhetoric is not what people want for president. i'm not panicked about trump. donald trump is very self-aware. he does not understand politics. the people who understand washington have been this -- been for this for decades. donald trump owns a lot of businesses and depends on good pr that appeals to customers and consumers. he has not dealt with madison avenue guys how to promote. has had a lot of fun hanging around people who have thought how to promote their brand. he is doing a good job of it in a way for now. i think ultimately, elections are different and that will

eventually -- reality will hit in that way. i think voters are enjoying the trump phenomenon for now. calls,et's get to the that he, a democrat. caller: mitch mcconnell created donald trump when he got on national television and said he was going to work to see that president obama be a one term president. than the house republicans went in lockstep with him and did not help the president to anything. of the inauguration, they all got together and had a meeting that they were not going to help the president. if you don't have anybody working with you to help get anything done, people get angry because nothing is being done and that's what created donald trump. thank you so much. host: let's take that point.

people are dissatisfied with the political climate. mitch mcconnell created donald trump on the conservative side. to fighthappy to have president obama. they don't get enough credit for supporting president obama whether it's afghanistan or the trade bill. that's the single biggest achievement of the last year or so. the republicans have tried to do on national security issues. for my republican point of view, some of this is fair and some is unfair and the congressional leadership is viewed as weak, not taking charge and not standing up to the president and not passing much. donald trump has capitalized on that. republican voters and independent voters are unhappy

with the political class in general. host: does that concern you for the party? guest: it would be great if the country were in great shape and the political class is doing a great job but you have to ask the question -- sad that the citizens are unhappy but maybe we should look at my mirror. maybe the voters are right. policylosing our foreign and the economy has been weak and we have the stock market crash. legislation that have passed that have not worked well. -- anger canoters lead you to make foolish decisions. foolisht want to make a decision out of emotion. i think voters should be legitimately angry but then

think seriously about what is a better direction. thinking moret seriously, they will move away from donald trump and some of the other republican candidates. i think the other candidates have a responsibility to donald trump. it's a good field and republicans like me have been saying for years that it's a better field in 2012. many governors and senators and serious candidates. i think they have impressive but most of them have run lackluster campaigns. host: you wrote that in your last campaign. they say the rest of the field is not what it should be. jeb bush may be the nominee but he has not dominated

the way people hope. they said scott walker and ted cruz would make it and ted cruz is riding -- is rising and scott walker not as much. none of them has quite clicked. donald trump has made it hotter because he has dominated and at such a big field. it's only before labor day but i think these candidates need to look in america little bit when they get finished pulling their hair out over come. talk about the issues. had serious health care reform. it is a worked out proposal that has a lot of details. it helps people who don't have insurance. it does not involve the regulatory nightmares of obamacare.

different republicans have different versions of tax credits. scott walker gave a good speech have they emphasized? they should do a better job as a candidate and ignore donald trump for a while. they must say obamacare is what conservatives dislike about president obama and every republican is committed to repealing it and replacing it and here is my replays of -- here is my replacement and let's have a discussion about it. unimaginative in presenting their own ideas. host: richard is next, independent. you are on the air. caller: thank you, my first question -- will you support donald trump if he wins the republican nomination? i was a 42 year democrat, union

construction worker, and i voted republican this last november for the first time in my life. voted because i was upset with barack obama lying to me about the horrible care act and what it would cost me. i lost my doctors and i lost everything so i said enough is enough and i got to looking at the data. i looked at my grandchildren and i wondered what world would be there for them. my grandson in 15 years will be 18 years old when iran is for nuclear power to come into view for them. then i looked at mitch mcconnell and what he has not done. nothing on the affordable care act. he has given away the ability ,or congress to have the 2/3 now it's the opposite, i think you know what i am talking about.

if you are holding your nose up at donald trump, are you doing the same to me? i am a democrat and i am done with the democrats. i want some conservative leadership, something that will work to save this country for my grandchildren. i'm an old man i want someone who will say we are going to do everything we can to make sure there is a future for your grandchildren. will you support donald trump? i admire the work you do. not always agreed with you but i am on board now. guest: thank you. richard speaks for a lot of people. some of the unhappiness of the congressional leadership is probably based on accepted hopes of what you can do with barack obama as president. he is a strong president but is not yielding on everything and he has a lot of power.

i share some of the criticisms of the republican leadership especially on iran giving in to require the 2/3 vote to overturn what president obama has presented. i'm glad the gentleman has voted republican in 2014 and i hope he has a republican nominee to vote for in 2016 that speaks to his concerns. i have three grandchildren who are boys and i don't want them to grow up in a world with iran having nuclear weapons. i share that sympathy. i don't know if i would support for donald trump. i don't believe i could vote for any of the democrats. not -- iink we should am not turning up my nose at anyone. i know a lot of people who like

donald trump. and a certains chunk of them support donald trump. they are conservatives but i am not convinced he is the best republican nominee. need to see -- let's say he wins iowa and new hampshire and then he will have to say what he will do about the issues. he will have to talk about who we need to his administration. it is not my first choice and he is flamboyant. it would be better than the alternatives. i might say he is also not qualified. he could put us in a terrible position in but maybe another conservative would rise. for himot criticize him but i'm not sure i could vote for rand paul on foreign policy

grounds. people who support rand paul have a different view of the world and i do. i am not obliged to take loyalty tests. on foreign policy, i have a quarrel with donald trump. if trump stays up to 25% and wins iowa and looks like he will win, at that point, the level of scrutiny changes. some people don't do well when they get to that level. ronald reagan in 1979 was dismissed by many elites and people turned on the spotlight on him and he knew what he was talking about. and a a serious guy strong conservative and was willing to take unpopular positions and explain them. that will be the question for donald trump. host: this story is from "the new york times" --

he will likely talk about iran. the joe biden rollout over the past month has been impressive. they conveniently found out what his son told his father. there is a great detailed account of that. we get the meeting with elizabeth warren on saturday. only two people in that mating hemeeting but it seems like is thinking of running and he is trying to get her support. then he has lunch with president obama yesterday and we get the sense that doesn't obama gave

his blessing to a joe biden run. that was somewhat confirmed by the white house press secretary. the moment i saw the piece a month ago, i thought he would run and i think he wants to run. i think he will run and i think it shows -- if you said the six months ago, hillary clinton was the favorite but that's not the rate -- case anymore. the conventional wisdom in washington is to wait six weeks until early october and the first democratic debate will be then so he will get in before then. wonders whether he will get in sooner like labor day. joe biden has support among labor and it will be a working-class guy that gets in.

that contrasts hillary. he has not done that well when he ran for president before. little bump in the install out. it could be early october with clinton, sanders, and biden with less than 30% in the polls. i think elizabeth warren at that point has to look in the mirror and ask if she should run. reallye democratic party want hillary clinton with all of her baggage or bernie sanders who was 73 years old and a socialist from vermont. biden who is 71 years old and has run twice before. he is not exactly a fresh face. elizabeth warren is a fresh face. andparty has these moments some people come to what a party wants at a certain time. i am not a liberal or a democrat

so it's hard to put myself in their shoes. i talked to a trough a lot of liberals and democrats and elizabeth warren is where the party is print she won dramatically in 2012 and is anti-wall street and has an i and other issues and would be the first woman president. that's a good one to nominate. sometimes an life, if you want to do something the way it ends up, i think elizabeth warren in october could get in the race after biden. in biden getting establishing the principle that the field is not closed. in, why can't she get in? he could do well and could win the nomination. formidable ticket with the two of them but also maybe he does not do so well and elizabeth warren could get in and she's the one they have been waiting for. it would excite you as a liberal democrat to have elizabeth warren in 2016. the: let's get back to

calls, bill in virginia beach, a republican. caller: thank you for taking my call. i will make this as brief as possible. there is more to say than i have time to say. due to the ben ghazi incident and the poor agreement with iran and the wonderful aca bill that everyone voted for but nobody read all the way through, i cannot allow myself to vote for any democrat at this point in time. i will vote republican. it may not be the person who gets the nomination by the republican national committee and that may not be my first choice but i will have to go with the republican nominee. to talk my son into an investor ship on this presidency. save thelso like to

national debt. we might implode ourselves from within we don't have to worry about iran. i would like mr. kristol, if you mighto much it increase the national debt by getting rid of obamacare and putting in something better in its place come how much it would save on the national debt? plan: i think the walker was complicated and controversial. it was save some money compared to obamacare. i think $1 trillion over 10 years. it will not solve the problem by itself but it would be a better health care system and will have more cost controls. this caller and the caller before was the first time he voted republican. that's why i am optimistic as a republican.

generally speaking, voters like to turn over the white house after eight years anyway and i don't think president obama will leave with a high approval routing -- rating or should he. joe biden has been vice president for eight years and hillary clinton was secretary of state for the first four years. forink she is responsible of the foreign policy catastrophes. i don't think bernie sanders is far enough into the mainstream. i think elizabeth warren would be the strongest nominee because she would be a semi-clean break. she is left-wing and i think it would be a good race. she is beatable but she might be the strongest. republicans are in reasonably good shape. like many republicans, talking , no one has quite

caught on among the candidates. someone may not catch on and one of them will win and he will be fine. like we are waiting for one of these candidates like walker or cruise or rubio, someone may be has not gotten in who would really catch fire. andld trump has caught fire he has probably obscured the efforts of the other ones. i don't think he will end up being the nominee. ands entitled to run entitled to fight and i admire what is doing. i admire the way in which he ignores all the finger wagging from these political people. the rally in alabama on friday it was a big stadium it will be half-empty. that's pretty stupid. take a smaller room and fill it up. it's idiotic area the fact that

you turn on the tv. it's much more exciting to see him in the university of south alabama. you want to see a real show. you can have them in a hotel ballroom that looks very cloud -- crowded. it shows that trump has a better feel for the stagecraft of politics that many people who have paid a lot of money in washington dc to state political events. host: columbia, missouri, democrat. caller: good morning, i have a question on immigration deal thatwas passed bipartisan was sitting on john boehner's desk. why wasn't that passed? guest: that was passed in 2013 by the senate. , 80% ofans in the house

them were against it. the speaker never brought it to the floor. , evenre people look at it people who are open to it had problems with it. interesting case study were the conventional wisdom is they will have to pass it. john boehner wanted to. the house republican people on the back than had been elected in 20 oh said this is not what our constituents sent us here to do. host: this is from the front page of "the washington post" -- guest: this is typical of what party establishments do when they panic. it will backfire and infuriate every donald trump backer that

the rules are being changed because one guy is running and he is doing pay well? we did not have one of these before and i am against it in principle. i would not vote for pat buchanan for president of united states but he got a lot of votes. i am not allowed to run what i want to do? i think that's wrong. host: let's move on to chris in illinois, independent. caller: good morning. comments about earlier, the immigration talk. i heard recently that immigration surmise are starting to be conducted in spanish. i am a 23-year-old independent and i'm pretty open-minded. cultures but it

don't feel we should assimilate so much to foreign culture. it is america and i am proud to be american. maybe we should try to real that back in. guest: i don't know about the ceremonies but my grandparents came over and did not speak english well and never spoke english perfectly. other languages at home and their kids went to public school and learned english. the americanization of immigrants is something america has been good at over the decades and centuries compared to europe. we have backed off from that because of multiculturalism and i think that's a mistake. one can be pro-immigrant and respect america's immigrants passed in present that it does not mean it's not important that everyone share the same culture

and be able to read the declaration of independence and the language it was written. that's kind of important to study it in school. if you don't know english and you, over legally and become a citizen in your english is not perfect, you are as much a citizen is anyone else. read lincoln's speeches in spanish, that's fine. there are multilingual newspapers in america and mats legal. -- and that's legal. countryic life of the is conducted in english. and betterasier really to conducted in one language were some countries have two equal languages. i agree we should do better at americanizing our immigrants. democrat from clinton, maryland, you are up next. you should remember the

funny looking little guy with a mustache many years ago in the 30's who walked around disparaging people and trying to make the most out of other peoples situations and people loved him. he was very entertaining. this guide trump has a lot of parallels to this individual. guest: i think that's unfair. donald trump has lived in america for his entire life and employed people of many races and deal with different ethnicities and genders, there is no evidence he is anything like a nazi attitude but one race or another. host: we will move on, republican. caller: good morning, c-span and god bless america. when i started listening this morning, the discussion centered

around the new offensive racist term anchor baby. in the same vein, there is a name that has historically stood for slavery, the kkk, jim crow laws, segregation, lynching, and race based abortion policies. isn't it time to ban the term democratic party? it's worth reminding people that the democratic party has a checkered past on issues of race. in general, it's a mistake to reopengate and historical wounds. every pre-things they can be embarrassed about. there are many individuals who have things in the past that they wish they had not done. people have to be held accountable for their actions. we should have a civilized debate going forward about the country. i don't think donald trump is a

bernied i don't think sanders is joseph stalin because he is a socialist. there is a big spectrum of views in this country. those people are all operating within the democratic process. host: does what mr. trump says on immigration hurt the party? this back-and-forth continues kelly and other fox anchors have stepped in. hurt the republican party with women? contributor a fox for a decade but now i am with abc news. i think what donald trump has set his distasteful. it doesn't same intelligent to

pick a fight with megyn lkelly. what's the point? they are doing their job. an awful lot of people said nasty things about ronald reagan when he was running for president. i do recall him personally picking fights with individuals men or women. he just said it was ridiculous. show a thin skin on donald trump's part. ailes and donald trump are pretty savvy as far as ratings television. sincererump is being when he says you are unfair to me. hurt either fox or

trump much. he political class notlains about the voters being serious. who is covering this? there is a political class of reporters obsessed with what trump set about megyn kelly. aboutdia mainly cares media and donald trump understands that. he picks fights with them and then makes up with them. he gives interviews 24/seven. for someone who doesn't like the media, he is spending a lot of time with them. i think the media comes out looking a little silly from this. i sympathize with one of the scholars, the political class, the media needs to look in the mirror more. i'm sure it's true of me as well rather than blaming the voters host: what about the nuts and

bolts of a campaign? mr. trump has put in place a robust field operation in iowa. candidate toly plan to volunteer for all 11 days at the iowa state fair, by in amr. trump's fly helicopter produced headlines -- he seems to be doing the work you need to do. guest: i think that is right. i said you should take them seriously. that's him seriously.

know the iowa professionalor - operators. trump has hired some good ones and he has hired a lot of them and they are serious people. ony want to be in the fight february 1. i do think trump plans to run. the media should get off this notion of he is a weirdo and oddball, when is he getting out? he is a candidate with 25% support. we know plenty of instances have haddidates 25% support and don't win the nomination. let's treat him like a candidate . there is too much talk of him as if he is not serious about this

campaign -- whether he is willing to spend $100 million of , that's another question. host: we will go to georgia next. independent. the earlierke what man said about the democratic party. you have the progressive my question is about donald trump p. if donald trump starts picking fights with the republican party and the fox news channel, do you it might be setting up a come backin order to

later if his numbers start to fall and then complain about the republicans and how they mistreated him? and lead votes from the republican party to a third candidate. guest: good question. isoriginal fear about trump that he would run as a third-party candidate. oddly, trump's success in their publican party so far and the fact that he is staying in will make it harder for him to run as a third-party candidate. what is the rationale? he can't say that he hasn't had a chance to make his case to republicans. he's getting more media time than any other republican. he will either win or he won't win. it will be hard to explain in march or april that i will not win the nomination, so i'm running third-party. a lot of his support will go away.

a lot of peopleant to change the course of the country. they don't think president obama has been taking us on the right path. i am more reassured that trump want run as a third-party candidate because i don't think it's credible to say that he hasn't had a fair chance. he has had a pretty good run here. he is on every major show come every network, covered in every newspaper. what does he have to complain about? host: dan is next in texas. democrat. caller: good morning. this about donald trump running a think this is republican game, good cop bad cop. these -- it says

these remarks because come in the past, the gop, the republican party has not carried the latino vote very much. they were in hot water with the ladies. women. what donald trump is doing is criticizing them a lot so that the other republican people who are running can more or less be sympathetic. and though the latinos women voters vote mainly with democrats, i think that is one game they're playing to try to get the gop. republicansh the were so clever to set up a good cop bad cop dynamic.

no one planned it. it is pretty chaotic, specially because the party establishments -- trumpaten has been more savvy than most about politics. i don't think anyone planned this. a lot of politics is also reacting to these -- a lot of for friends thought bill clinton -- he isd up sympathetic to middle american concerns. was good at taking -- he did not plan that.

he distanced himself from jesse jackson in that moment. the other republican candidates need to think -- trump is here. he is not magically going way, he will not say one bad thing about megyn kelly and everything will go poof. they need to think about how to take it manage of trump. jeb bush, to his credit, showed that he has been thinking about this. deciding i will take on trump. i'm not sure he did it in the best way possible. he looks like he is wagging his finger at trump instead of that's why hasn't he township to --ne-on-one debate challenged him to a one-on-one debate? rnc prevent trump or bush from in the nominee -- being the nominee?

why don't they come to c-span and have a two-hour discussion about public policy issues? let's see what they say. is a good test for the other republican candidates. how agile are they? you have to be that -- clinton showed that in 1992. reagan in 1980. it ultimately depend on the reagan campaign being alert to the possibility that they could -- you havee ones to react to what's happening on the field. the other candidates are still stunned by trump and haven't figured out how to react yet. host: we would take both of those candidates coming on the

show. we would like them to talk to viewers. >> then, nikki mcintyre and kelly buckland from the national council on independent living. later, we have the american board of directors to talk about the network of history. "washington journal" live every morning on c-span. you can join the conversation with your calls and comments on facebook and twitter. >> coming up, c-span's tour in bernard parish.

that is followed by a discussion on world wide access to financial services. c-span's coverage of the 10th anniversary of hurricane katrina continues thursday with live coverage of president obama -- visit to new orleans. florence harding once said she had only one hobby and that was warren harding. she was adept at handling the media. her husband -- despite hardships, scandals, and her husband's infidelities she was a influential first lady. examining the public and private lives of the women who filled the position of first lady and

their influence on the president. next, seems from st. bernard parish one year after hurricane katrina. we traveled to the area just outside of new orleans august of 2006. we spoke with residents rebuilding their homes, officials trying to provide services, and areas destroyed by floodwaters. this is about one hour.

>> >> you can't describe it. your whole life is gone. all your friends, family, everybody is gone. family and friends you don't see anymore that you used to see. it is a hell of a feeling.\ >> st. bernard's parishes directly adjacent to new orleans. it was underwater. >> it has been a year. after one year you are sort of numb. these to cry every week, every

day, but not anymore. you get to a point where you have to move on. >> they keep saying stories, but -- about walmart going to reopen. then, they said it will take a good 10 years before it is back to semi-normal. who would want to come back and see this every day? >> i have my own house, but all that is gone. i lost my job. i lost everything. >> there are tucked decisions people have to make in terms of what is best for themselves and their families. the extent of this disaster is unprecedented. it is not like they have a lot of experience to draw from. even people from other communities have not seen anything like this.

narrator: we have a look at recovery efforts almost one year after hurricane katrina as the c-span video journalists traveled there to talk with residents and local officials to talk about their personal experiences and the role of state and federal governments. first, we travel to the chalmette area. it is the largest population center in the parish. most of the flooding came from local levies and canal walls. we begin our look at the parish at chalmette high school. it is one of only two schools open. there were 14 schools. >> we were a community of 68,000 people. we had 14 public schools, 8800 students. doris: it was more of a blue-collar, hard-working community, not an entitlement community, people used to working hard and making away for themselves.

when the storm hit, we were completely underwater, 100%. there was not a home, school, or building that was inhabitable after the storm. with the entire infrastructure destroyed, we had quite a way to go to provide essential services for our residents. narrator: what is the population now compared to pre-katrina? doris: before katrina it was about 68,000. now, some people say 8000. a lot of people will come and work on their homes to rebuild, work on their businesses and drive back to temporary housing in the evening as they are trying to ready their own properties. we are seeing people coming

back, gutting, renovating different subdivisions, especially those south, closer to the river. those people in areas that were a little more aches posed -- a little more exposed are waiting until they get answers from the local government, height and strength of levees, how high they elevate homes, can they get insurance on their homes? that is another big issue. until all of those questions are answered, and i guess, in tandem with that, with the louisiana recovery program to help them out financially until all these things fall into place. there is a lot of uncertainty. we still don't have major grocery stores open. we have a few convenience stores

and one full-service store opened by a small business owner. none of the major chains are back yet. narrator: why is that? doris: i think they look at it from a marketing standpoint. they look at the size of the community. how many people are back? is it financially feasible for them to open? the are keeping an eye on the redevelopment and repopulation. with the recovery, we are coming back slowly. we are seeing progress, not as fast as we would like it, but slow and steady progress. narrator: can you paint a picture what it's like to drive back in there? doris: the first thing you see is an elementary school that we have not brought back into service, but in the parking lot, another small trailer community,

and those are trailers that we have wrought in for our teachers and staff to live in. narrator: they are not fema trailers? doris: we are hoping to get reimbursed from fema, but we brought them in. when you compare costs in terms of what it took to bring it in. for $20,000 it unit, we have been able to purchase them and set them up. you can do your comparisons with the other sector, put it that way. anyway, we purchased a total of 107 trailers. i have them at four different sites. when you walk across the street, you will see 42 of them set up for teachers and staff members. that was the only way, especially back in november, two bit a staff back at the school to teach the children. there was no place to live. you see that trailer community adjacent, and if you go further behind it into that subdivision, you will see complete and utter

devastation. you will see very few people living there. you will see gutted homes. you will see trailers in front of homes with people working on them. you will not see the vibrant community it once was. >> we have the lutheran recovery team coming to help clean up the house. they are volunteers from michigan who come to help you clean up. this happened at the end of 2005. august of 2005.

narrator: why are you doing the clean up one year later? what is going on? >> nobody else is cleaning up, actually. wayne: were not sure of the levy is going to hold. we are not sure what is going on in the parish. so until this hurricane season passes, i'm not sure. narrator: you said you're staying in texas? wayne: i moved back to madisonville. narrator: where is that? wayne: across the lake. narrator: what is the status of your home? do you still own the home? wayne: yes. narrator: what type of action have you had with fema and federal government? wayne: fema offers some

assistance to us. that is about it. narrator: could you give me an idea of what it was like last august? i'm not sure if you could put that into words. wayne: i'm not sure i could put that into words. we got to see most of it on television. it's hard to put into words. words. we got to see most of it on television. it's hard to put into words. narrator: when did you come back to see this? september, then december, last week, then i'm here this week with these good people to clean up. narrator: what have things been like for the last couple of months? wayne: trying to get the kids back in school, back to work, just a normal life.

>> unbelievable. this is your first house? >> yeah. think?r: would you >> unbelievable.

narrator: excuse me. i'm sorry. let me get out of your way. how long did you live here? >> 12 years. narrator: any children? >> yeah, 10 years old and seven years old. after i got here, i saw them , so they are helping me and i am helping them. that is what is going on here. part of the that is bigger story? wayne: it is. we need a lot of help. i'm glad these guys are helping me. i'm helping them. that's what i'm doing here today, helping them.

narrator: what's it like? wayne: it has been a year. non- a year, your sort of -- numb. it gets to the point where you have to move on. so far, i feel good. guys are helping me out. narrator: what's it like for your kids to move? to put a tried positive outlook on it. try to get them make new friends. everybody was basically displaced. everybody has to learn something new. find new friends, make new friends, the same thing i had to do. narrator: what's the hardest part about the whole thing? wayne: the hardest part about the whole thing? narrator: the beginning, the middle, this part? wayne: we thought we would be

back in two days. we had no idea this was going to happen. thatardest part is knowing the entire st. bernard parish is displaced. everybody is in a different place. it will never be the same. that is the hardest part. just knowing that everything, all of st. bernard parish, has changed. narrator: that's hard. is insurance paying for any of this? flood insurance. i was one of the few people who did have flood insurance. a quarter of people and st. floodd parish had insurance. are they paying for what were doing right here? no. this is strictly out of their hearts. that's what we are doing. narrator: are any of your

neighbors going to stay? neighbortalked to a about 12 miles from here. there's not a lot going on around here. there are very few stories. very few neighbors. narrator: you see the supermarkets are closed still. wayne: you only have one or two small convenience stores. they're supposed to be a bigger store opening up. a few stores have opened up. , think it'll be a little bit maybe five years, 10 years. i'm not sure yet. i'm just hoping to clean up. some of theu do see small trailer park villages, what are they? wayne: the fema trailer parks they set up. i don't ride around too much. i come to my house and leave.

easy trails in front of houses. that's people coming on the weekend to clean the house or living there. if you didn't have flood insurance and you had no insurance, you have to reveal that house. narrator: were you offered a trailer? >> yes. we offered anything in place of the trailer? we were offered some rental assistance. plenty of paperwork. it's a lengthy process. dealing with the government, a lot of bureaucratic tape. hopefully, everything will work out ok. narrator: what part of the house was this? >> this was the kitchen area. i was in the middle of renovation before the storm. this is actually the kitchen. over there was the living room den.hen --

kids?or: how are your my wife was a first grade school district teacher. would you mind walking me over there? wayne: no. down the hallway to my daughter's bedroom. of a bath thatf we have here. this is my daughter's bedroom. they did a pretty good job cleaning it out.

about 10n see, we had inches of mud here. your boots would get stuck in it. was high enough to take the sheet rock and insulation off the ceiling. the water was two inches above the ceiling, eight foot two inches. -- it pulls down the sheet rock and insulation. you think this house can be lived in again? with all the mold? >> you clean everything out. you pressure watch it -- wash it. i think it's going to be fine. narrator: you guys might want to sell this? wayne: probably so, yes. not really sure. probably so, yes. some people are selling their

houses. i think they are selling them to cheap. i'm not going to give my house away for $30,000. that's what they are selling them for. i think it will come back. narrator: you said you'd think it will come back, but she said that st. bernard parish will never be the same? wayne: not the way i remember it being here 40 years. it will come back. i think it will. property by his will go back up. i'm not sure what the property value is right now. -- property values will go back up. it doesn't smell as bad as it did months ago. smell because the mud dried up. it's not that bad actually. it really isn't that bad. i was in here and it was worse. there is a smell as you are picking up the dirt.

the katrinait smell, the smell of the dirt and everything. narrator: were walking down the hallway. wayne: yes, my son's bedroom is off to the side. -- off to this side. you can smell it a little bit more here. you don't open the windows, the dirt does not have the chance to dry out. narrator: and this bedroom here? wayne: that was the master bedroom. >> don't ask me how i got it on there. wayne: yes.

some very unusual things floating around. there is a garbage can and are bedroom. it was in the backyard. how it got there, i don't know. very strange things. narrator: how was your wife when you came back for the first time? wayne: she did not come until months later. videos.ed at i had taken pictures of the house. she is sort of desensitized. after you see it so much, you numb.rt of phnom -- you have to move on with your life, right? narrator: have your kids come back? wayne: yes, in december. we warned sure, but they did. it was a good thing. they are ok. they were trying to help me find something to salvage.

narrator: you think they are stronger? >> no doubt. we all are. the kids are too. i went to hurricane betsy. this is my second time. narrator: right. >> you are seeing scattering some people, a few on the street, one or two on that street, and that is going to be one of the major challenges for

people as you come back to redevelop your home. you have to look at the home to the left of you, to the right of and in lesse block, we begin to develop those sections of the same time, it will be difficult to provide services to people and help them feel that the quality of life is there. it's the beginning of august, which means school is starting soon. what is the situation here now with the number of schools and students you expect? year: we ended the school with 260,000 students on this one campus. we were bursting at the seams. we have a second school that we were totally repairing, ready to accept students. we going to split the school into. we'll have pre-k through six grade at jackson. expecting an excess of

3000 students. that is over our third of what we had prior to the storm. i think it's a very good indicator of the numbers of people who are coming back. they would not bring their children here if they did not intend to come back. how many teachers do you have now compared to before the storm? doris: we were the largest employer in st. bernard parish, 1200 people. 750 were teachers. now after the storm, we have fewer than 400 people, of which 300 are teachers. we are down to one third of our workforce. do is tore trying to keep those class sizes smaller and get the teachers in there, because a lot of our children -- their educational experiences last year were all over the map. only in school 10 days

when the storm hit. we reopened 11 weeks later. kids cap coming in in drips and s allhts all -- drab year long. they might've been in four different schools be time -- by the time they left us and came back. it was difficult on teachers as they planned lessons. each day you are getting new students in with a different set of educational experiences. it almost became an individualized program at that point. hopefully we will be a little bit more stable this year in that regard and keep the class size small and not so that the teachers can work with them on an individual basis and bring them up to where they need to be. >> many students and families in nt. bernard are living i

trailer parks that dot the landscape of the parish. those trailers are eight by 29 campers. if you have ever lived in them, and i have, they are not meant to be long-term homes for people. it's tough when you have a family in such a small, crowded space. just something as simple as taking a shower is challenging because the areas are cramped and you don't have unlimited water. just barely living in those ,railers is quite challenging and our children are living in those with their families. it begins to have a completely different dynamic within our school system, where we would expectedwould have certain conditions, we have had to readjust. we have had to readjust for what they can and cannot do as part

of their education program. they live in close quarters. i finally put in a trailer for our people with washers and dryers and it, because how are you going to wash close? that was an issue in november when we opened them for our people to live in. if you wanted to wash close, you had to drive 30 miles to do it. there was nothing in the parish. you had to go through new orleans somewhere into jefferson parish, the parish on the other side. day to daypoint, living is definitely a challenge for people who have to make those adjustments. what you have to understand is that people were not used to that. they are used to having actual homes, which they had spent their whole lives building and making a life for themselves, and then with those wiped out, and eight by 29 camper for their

entire family, so it is rough going. >> it's coming back. bringing it back and stuff. this is where people are people. narrator: how long have you been living here? i'm just visiting right now, seeing some people i know. narrator: did you move to baton rouge? justin: i had to. narrator: tell me your story. justin: we wasn't really going to leave. thinking there was going to be this much. we would've took off if we thought it was going to be this bad. we lost everything. everything is gone down the drain. we had to start over.

it's hard, man. narrator: you're from st. bernard parish? what happened? justin: everything underwater, baby" everything. clothing, everything underwater. narrator: that must've been hard. justin: it was. then i came back and seen everything was gone, my job. i was working for the parish. right, so iind of had to survive. narrator: what you doing in baton rouge? justin: cleaning up and stuff. we are doing all right. narrator: who are you visiting? justin: one of my aunts. narrator: what is she say? justin: she all right.

she just want to get back. she don't really want to be here, but nowhere like home for her. narrator: is her home getting rebuilt? justin: she didn't own it. she was just renting it. i have my own house, me and my kid. all that is gone. lost a job. lost everything, not a little bit, everything. narrator: what did that to you about living here? justin: it's all right. it's cool. everybody gets along. it's all right. it's fine. hopefully, we will get a house. narrator: you're hoping to move back here? .ustin: yeah, real soon narrator: what you think when you drive around and see the homes? what's left of it now? justin: nothing. nothing.

narrator: did you have insurance? justin: no. i was a renter too. you got a go or you got a go for right now. next, we travel to the rural town of hopedale, where flooding was caused by a 30 foot storm surge from the gulf of mexico to the canals, by, and other waterways into this commercial area. -- the canals, the bayous, and other waterways into this commercial area. >> as you look at the remains of some of the docs, you can see

the area where homes once stood before the surge. narrator: somebody's home. you can see the second story is completely washed away. the house is gone. mark: somebody's car. a home that was washed away.

another home washed away. somebody rebuilding on some stilts. how high up is this? 21.5 feet. mark: how much was the surge? >> 36.

i've been here 50 years. i ain't ever seen nothing like it. they claim it was 30, but if you , there's ahe corner trailer they put up before the hurricane. it's a small trailer like a log cabin. stacy: there's about three of him that he put up before the hurricane that made it. it made it. mark: are you from st. bernard's? stacy: our house is gone. it was 16 feet off the ground and it's gone.

doing? you i moved to mississippi. not coming back? i don't want to see this again. i lost way too much. i'm not taking a chance. howdon't start realizing much you lost until you start looking for it. mark: did you evacuate before the storm? stacy: i was here. --ot a 60 foot still vote steel boat. mark: how was that? rushed.ou had a water you didn't have a gigantic wave.

after the water came up, that's the worst. that's when you realize that the whole parish was underwater. mark: describe what it was like when you came back to look at your house. stacy: i come down here with nightline. , thatd i come down here was the first time i seen it. you can't describe it. that is your whole life gone. there's nothing left but rubble. all your friends, family, everybody is gone. , and you still don't see your family and friends that you used to see. how of a feeling. --hell of a feeling. you never forget it for the rest of your life.

would you going to do? mark: did you have any interaction with fema? stacy: were still waiting. mark: you're waiting? stacy: supposed to be a grant of two $150,000. going to want to sink that money down here. i would not want to sink that money down here. they're going to get land somewhere else. i don't know. i'm out of here anyway. your back you're doing a bunch of work? stacy: yeah. we do custom boat sheds. i partnered with a friend of mine. we started salvaging boats on the other side of the lake.

we worked the whole time over there until we ran out of stuff to do. we slowly move this way. i imagine you could do this for the rest of your life. . it's going to be a long time before it stops. we have a list of some believable. thi stacy: this is the highest one we've ever done. this is a very high one. if you want to stay down here and keep your stuff, this is the best way to go. better not be afraid of heights though? stacy: no. you would like it up there. you could see everything. mark: yeah? stacy: it's beautiful.

they used to be a bunch of big beautiful oak trees. now they are pretty well decimated. this place will never be the same like it was. this was a beautiful community. people would stop along the side of the road and shoot the b ull. mark: you can't help but see all the houses washed away. stacy: it's terrible. it was amazing to go past all the property and actually stop and back up because you passed it up. we were looking, but there was so much debris. can't imagine what it looked like with the debris on the road. you got a sense of how many people are coming back to this community? stacy: most of the work we do

offer fishermen. our four fishermen. he decided to put his money back in the community, what's left of us. the point where he tries not to lose. basically, he got them a trailer . mark: that's it right over there? stacy: yeah. mark: are you living in a trailer? ben: yeah.

i'm robbing peter to pay paul to do all of that. i haven't got any assistance from fema or anything. i am doing this on my own. why? ben: i don't know. i don't know what's wrong with the process. it's such a big storm, such a vast area. are stretchedces thin. i took my boats up north. mark: what is life like for you now? there's no groceries to buy. there's no nothing down here. you have to bring your own food. before?s a good

yeah, it was a big booming town. st. bernard itself was a big, booming town. mark: what about phone service? ben: cell phone service work sometimes, sometimes it don't. mark: what about the community? it: the people who are back, brought people closer together. we was busting butt down here. tennesseeomers from who brought me lumber and stuff and helped me to rebuild my dock. that was great. i can't say enough about people still having hearts. i know about that.

what was this? place --e was a bagel there was a big, old place. mark: how do you think things are? how has it changed you? ben: i know people have hearts now. it makes me cry, but people have hearts. i'm just having to work twice as hard. i will make it. i'm a survivor. commercial fishermen are like that, survivors. people who are from here don't want to leave here. it is unique community. mark: what was it like when you came back after the hurricane? water in myed open

big boat and came down. you couldn't recognize the houses. every house is broken into little pieces of debris, just crumbled. it make you cry to see it. this place is beautiful down here before. mark: do you think it will come back to what it was? ben: i think it will. i think the recreational fishermen will build it back. this guy right here is the only guy working here. nobody is rebuilding this town. you can't get workers down here. it just won't happen.

>> the neighborhoods of st. bernard's parish are adjacent and receive some of the flooding. a conclude our program to gutted out home there and some final comments from st. bernard superintendent

about the relationship between the parish and the government. arabi, louisiana. two miles that way is where the levy did not breach. this is the home i was born and raised in. we had 18-24 feet of water there. i can take you inside and show you the damage. mark: where are you living now? for thetill waiting fema trailer. it's a joke. it's the people who came and helped us. application to my trailer. three times i had to reapply.

my house was first deemed livable. i told them, you go live in it. it's just mold and everything. amy: it's disgusting. it's disgusting. mark: what are you doing back here today? amy: i'm helping out one of my friends who did get a fema trailer. i'm watching her son for her while she is at work here ? mark: what about this neighborhood? amy: everybody has lived here for the longest time. that brought me to tears the other day. i used to babysit the children in the house.

people who could come into your house without knocking. that is how close our neighbors were. it's gone now. it had to be demolished. another person i will probably never lived next to again. his house was just torn down. my boyfriend is in atlanta. i don't know when i will see him again. i don't know. we have to go to the side door because the floor fell in. watch this step. i usually clean my house. mark: why do you say fema is a joke? because iis a joke

thought they were supposed to help people, and they are not. instance, it's almost a year and i'm still waiting for a place to live. i have a five year old. i'm still waiting on a place to live with her. if you can't have faith in your arernment, the people who supposed to be there for you, who can you trust? it took them forever to get here and help people. when they come here, they had guns in children paul spaces. it's disgusting. i have no faith in the federal government. -- they had guns in children's faces. it's disgusting. i have no faith in the federal government. the churches have been wonderful. thank you, texas -- people and

welcoming. we are evacuated to florida. we knew that it wasn't going to be good. i was in a restaurant and they had a tv and they have the street that is two streets over. street sign high a is. all you could see was the street sign, and that's the moment i knew i did not have a home anymore. i had my daughter there. at?do get mad youad nobody to get mad at can get mad at god, you know? for a reason.pens it only makes people stronger. , athe city of new orleans lot of my friends lived in the city, and they still have people living in their cars.

i wonder what happens to the homeless people there. don't know, maybe i have just too big of a heart. we should of been helped sooner. we should of been helped sooner. the only people saving people out here where the st. bernard parish police department. them.t to thank they were the people taking people off of the roofs. your old people stuck on the roof for five days. --80 your old people 80-year-old people stuck on the roof for five days. not let anybody into the parish and less you work --

unless you are police, military, somebody important, rich. no comment. this is our kitchen. everything was gone in the kitchen. it's pretty much gone now. you can see the water destroyed the attic. the room over here, this was our den. we had our dinner table here where we ate. shot a mountain line here. he had a full body mountain line mounted. because --as rogan his heart was broken because when he went to pick it up the skin fell off. the tree that you see right

that wase little tree, when my daughter was born. it was a magnolia tree. what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, i hope. mark: what was it like when you first came back to look at the house? amy: it was horrible. my heart rope. .- broke this is where i was born and raised. this is where my daughter was raised. you could not even a walk in the house. that stench smelt like dead people. you will never get it out of your head. see the pictures of my daughter hanging on the wall wash clean, that is something you will never get act. i was fortune enough to take

picture albums. -- that is something you will never get back. did not let us in the four so long. my bedroom. this was my daughter's room. this was my parents room. it is just disgusting. mark: what is life like for you now? company needed a travel trailer for me and my brother to live in. four-house had only five feet of water in it. this water had 18-24 feet. what fema life is, like

you are in a cell. you live in a house is big, and where you are in a place that is smaller than where we are standing now. it's hard to describe it. there are no words to describe it, at all. it's just disgusting. but, i don't know, maybe one day. mark: do you hope to come back to st. bernard parish? amy: i don't trust that it will be safe. has been a year, i'm still waiting for a place to live, you know? i have no faith. i have no faith at all. mark: what is the hardest part now? amy: being a mommy -- when you

are a parent, you always make sure your kids have things. this is something i cannot fix. that is the hardest thing. for my daughter to want to come back home, and that something i can't fix. i miss my boyfriend. how my supposed to get there? i think we have been forgotten. c-span totally for coming down here and doing this, because we have been forgotten. this should of been taking care of. on wars so much money and other countries, they need to fix ours first. it highly upsets me. very much so.

>> i don't think the stafford act was written to address a disaster of this magnitude. people would come in and basically, well, we feel your pain. we are sorry for you. there is nothing we can do. our hands are tied. i realize i am oversimplifying, but there has to be some flexibility, some avenues for people on the ground to make decisions, and there has got to be a plan in place for when something like this happens, central city services and education, and the government has to come in with a plan to make those things happen and viable. then you can take a step back and do the planning in a much better way, once those vital services are given to the people

just to keep life going, really. that's all we were looking for, was to keep us viable as a community. government federal must have that type of plan in place to address those major issues initially. mark: anything else you would like to say? doris: just don't forget as. we are old news. there are other things happening in the world that have taken front row in terms of people'sd attention, but this rebuilding process is going to go on 5-10 years from now. asking ourare federal government and people to look at this as an investment in our community. as i have said before, we are not an entitlement community. is help ussking for

make an investment in us now as we get back on our feet. we will pay you back 100 fold. mark: my last question. the federal government, where do you see them in your community now? doris: icn this point, they are at this point see they're beginning to pull out. the process,ith they have a long-term recovery team in place, but most of that support system is being withdrawn. long-term presence, >> coverage continues with a

daylong symposium hosted by the atlantic. we bring that to you at noon eastern here on c-span. later, president obama meets with residents. he will deliver remarks at 5:00 p.m. eastern. live coverage begins 5:00 p.m. here on c-span. coming up, a 2005 town hall meeting moderated by the then mayor. then, a discussion on worldwide access to financial services. later, samantha power on lgbt rights and isis attacks. on the next washington journal, a look at bullet toady in stock and -- at bullet hell of the --

at volatility in stock markets. later, a member of the al jazeera board of directors here to talk about the network's history and mission. you can join the conversation with your calls and comments on facebook and twitter. >> i am so thrilled and excited to be here. i want to thank c-span for covering the festival. i hope the camera shows how huge it is. >> one thing cannot be said to often. they are the exception. >> thank you all for coming.

it has been said heaven is a library. if that is the case, heaven has gone outside today. we are in heaven at this festival. the >> i am a youth leader for today. see what i can do. >> there was an article trying to show we had a red blue map. but when he went and interviewed people, the divide was not a chasm. it was a little divide. there were political scientists in town. the idea that the country is as polarized as washington, it is wrong. >> that is the way we learn. we learn for the future by

trying to understand the past. all of us have a past. >> you only focused on saipan. you did not talk that much about qualm and tinian. why did you do that? >> this is a great question. it goes to the heart of what we have been talking about. there was no way we could tell the whole story. be short of an encyclopedia or have a story read like the telephone book. of course the telephone book is not a story. >> all the opportunities are open for women now. when i was in law school, i graduated 1967, there were 13 women in my class of 500. today, the law schools are 50-50. >> the key to understanding what tr did is he never liked people who put profit above public

good. these parks and wilderness areas belonged to the american people, generations unborn, and they needed to be handed on as places to awaken the spirit. >> i made a career out of my love of books and i helped to found the texas book festival and the national book festival. well i love reading, i never thought i would write a book. certainly not about myself. x the goal was -- the since of book, a sense of urgency. to find the oldest people and get stories before it is too late. i have had a father and daughter in los angeles who came together . after hearing me talk and hearing about the book, the daughter said to the father, i'm taking you to the coffee shop and you are going to tell me the

story. >> for 30 plus million people, the health insurance bill, that started to be quite a change. martin luther king said, the universe then slowly but then stores justice. i think it was bending towards justice. there are things wrong with the health care bill. you know what johnson would have said? he said the important thing is to pass it. once you pass it, it is easier to go back and fix it. >> i believe the true calling is to bring back the dead. i trust you that with outsized figures you are from a with, the eisenhower's. also others you are less familiar with. >> i don't think i can afford 10 years on millard fillmore or franklin pierce.

there is no big person to go back to. i am bringing all my guys and i'm going to write about leadership. that is what i care about underneath it all. thank you. [no audio] >> c-span is going to have questions. >> c-span special coverage of hurricane katrina's 10th anniversary continues with a town hall meeting. this was one of a series of meetings held after the storm, giving them an opportunity to address their concerns. and then -- the mayor moderated this discussion. it is 2.5 hours. >> as you are coming forward, take your time.

line up. you know the routine. you don't have to hurt yourself. we are going to be here for at least two hours. i appreciate the spirit. let's keep going. >> i will alert you before cutting the mic. we do have phones and e-mails for the house and senate representatives. and u.s. congressman. for the house and senate as

well. those are on the back table. >> there are a couple of elected issues here. district attorney eddie jordan is here. it he staples office is being represented. other elected officials here. >> moving forward is the hardest direction. if the world would just know what you and the rest of us have gone through, it seems like the images i am getting from my friends in los angeles, everything is fine, we are all ok. we need to let them know we are not all ok.

number two that i would like to discuss, i represent the musicians of new orleans probably. we are communicating. the songs being written now will be some forever. we need to unite, get behind you, you are our leader. between now and election, you have a lot of work to do. we cannot just wait for elections and get behind anyone, we need to get behind you now. these next 12 weeks will be history for music as we know it in america. thank you. >> thank you. it is good to hear that the musicians are organized. that is one of the areas i have been worried about. i worry about our musicians, and senior citizens.

it is good to hear that musicians are coming back, thank you. >> good afternoon. i want to speak to the mayor, you talked about bring back new orleans. you had this committee i saw on tv. i kept saying to myself, where are all the new orleans people? these people are making decisions about our property? that is one concern. the next concern as, you say you would like for us to flood the congress. i think we ought to do the old-fashioned thing that martin luther king used to do, let's go on the bus. let's go on the bus and not leave until we get an answer. c. ray nagin: all right. >> i am not talking about going there -- i am talking about getting an answer. if they can destroy a country,

and build it up again, why can't they fix the state. c. ray nagin: amen. [applause] ma'am, just to let you know the commission members are made up of new orleans people. we have subcommittees available for any member of the public to participate in. we can get you information on when they meet, you can join any committee you want to. thank you. yes ma'am. >> good afternoon, i am from the leroux bed and breakfast. i was blessed and did not get water. unfortunately i cannot operate properly because of a lack of gas. i know that the gas people may

be doing work, but they are not in my estimation, as a business person, a retired business teacher, they are not doing the best they can do. i am educated, i have done everything i could. i e-mailed don hutchinson. i have gone to your office, i have gone to energy. i am one who clearly understands how gas operates. i did not have water. they said they are pumping water out. it has been eight weeks. i am in the cold. i cannot do business. i cannot take advantage of all of the business people coming here, i am concerned. i think we need a commission, a group or something of people to let you know what energy is doing. i do not think there properly handling the areas the way they should. there are a lot of people who do not understand exactly what to

do. i was over at six on my side when i saw this happen. i absolutely need your help. i do not think energy is understanding that i did not have water. i really want my gas so i can take advantage of all the people living in the city, perhaps survived this dramatic situation. i would like to help anyone else who needs help, jumping over hurdles. a lot of people do not know how to answer or stand up for what they need to have done. i need gas. c. ray nagin: what area? >> i am at esplanade avenue. c. ray nagin: maybe he can address your concerns. >> the area you're