then the spoon became a shovel and the shuttle became a bulldozer. joining together, you get stronger. , involved with an organization they are afghan americans who went back. they started one of the three top telecommunications companies in afghanistan. the foundation has built 12 hospitals across afghanistan, focusing on maternal and child health. dhey help support the new buil at the american university of afghanistan. they are supporting projects to dig wells, to provide water,

sanitation, health projects. aid, just across the board. they do it quietly and with great determination. they recently joined forces with another foundation and went over and city 1700 children in afghanistan with hearing aids so they could hear for the first time. projects thateted are having a ripple effect. another organization i'm involved with is a scholarship and leadership program involving a number of u.s. colleges and universities that provide full four-year scholarships for rising women leaders from

afghanistan. graduatedwoman just from college. i got a note from her today and congratulated her on her graduation. if you ever have a chance, catch the 8.5 minute documentary film she made. she made it as a student. she and her sister made this little film, which is amazing, about their quest to get their driver's licenses in afghanistan. it took great courage at the time. it is a story of their journey , she talksg women about what her future looked

like now. she sees her future compared to what it looked like when she was growing up during the taliban when she said they were like in cages. they were prisoners in cages. then she composes herself and says now, i am going to try to inspire other women to stand up and be drivers of change in afghanistan. she is one of the beneficiaries programprogram for josh .- program another young woman is already petitioning a chance to go back to afghanistan and starting a project teleconferencing speech pathologists here to train speech pathologists in afghanistan, which until recently only had one for the entire country. .he saw the need

she is getting the academic background so she can, this project. she is doing some kick starters to get on the. , the otherthe dots efforts would the hearing aids. win-win can work out a with that. build do we sustain and from some of the progress i have talked about, particularly in the midst of some of the challenges i mentioned? first of all, we have to remain steadfast in our commitment. we told the afghan people but particularly the women of afghanistan over different , differentions political parties, different secretaries of state, we will not abandon you, we will stay

with you. we have to remember that commitment. i like to think we americans live up to our promises. i like to think we like to safeguard our investments and lord knows we have made a phenomenal investment in the future of afghanistan through our blood and treasure. it is not a gift. that is taken likely. underappreciated, believe me. my last trip to afghanistan, there was a young woman that was a deputy minister of health. the day i was leaving and i was with the delegation and i said i have been out there to weeks

longer than the delegation and she came up to me and took me by my hand and looked at me and said "promise me you won't forget us. me you won'tromise forget me, you won't forget us." i promised her and we as a country have made that promise. said my plea to you would be please don't give up, please continue to support us. so this is heartfelt and we have to live up to our commitment. second, we have to make sure women remain part of the deal. whatever security assistance package, negotiations with the

plan thathatever new might carry forward though and aspiration for more jobs and economic opportunity. we have to make sure women are part of the deal. we have to focus on youth. two thirds of afghanistan's population is under the age of 25. populationof their of 30 million people under the age of 25. 42% of the population is under the age of 15. we can all read the headlines. we know what happens now in this age of violent extremism. the extremists are targeting the youth. in terms of our capacity building, in terms of our

efforts to prevent violent extremism if not stop it, we have to focus on the youth and we have to focus on their education and skills. education is the tool the insurgents fear the most. rightion is a basic human . its impact is transformative. i know soon you will have malala this part of the country. of course, she is from pakistan but there are many malalas in that part of the world. i think often about some ring of the ministers in afghanistan said in terms of focusing on education and focusing particularly on connecting education to job skills. this is a couple years ago but i

believe it still holds true. he was a minister for rural development. he said few insurgents are driven by theology, many are driven by unemployment. he said here is the key dollenge -- how and where you get the jobs needed each year in a country where two thirds of the population is age 25 or younger? in my view, the minister said, it is unemployment rather than insurgency that poses the greatest threat to achieving a stable afghanistan. focus on technology. this is an area of hope. we do hear about technology being used by the bad guys as well. but it is really amazing when

you think that women in afghanistan 13 years ago who really had no education, no literacy, no understanding of anything outside their home, that now there is about 80% of the women in afghanistan have cell phones now. that is an amazing opportunity. not a techie but i do know about apps. there is a lot of useful information, a lot of education ,or health, citizen awareness peer-to-peer entrepreneurship endeavors that can be achieved through cell phones. is a way that we can come up with some creative

solutions like begun woman i mentioned who is working on a speech by college of project. look at ways you can use to knowledge he to train people. can trains you people. the government is working hard but they need to achieve a lot more in terms of tackling some of the big problems. to look at the win-win. i think that we're at a point in time where we think what is the smart thing for us to do? ,ust walk away from afghanistan not care about the progress that

has been achieved? , to usesy to say culture as an excuse. and you look at its history how many times it's "culture" has changed. inre are positive changes the air, even in the midst of the challenges, there is a lot of positive things happening. again, thinking about the arc that brought me here today and ronald reagan room, i think about something ronald reagan once said. he said "we cannot help everyone, but everyone can help someone." it brought to mind a conversation i had with a group of women on my first visit to afghanistan.

kate was any literacy center funded by the u.s. government. it was just a plain room where we all sat around a wood burning stove. there were about 25 women there ages 18-60. some were widows. they have to provide for their families alone. this was soon after the fall of the taliban. i had thought that as we sat down that i should prepare myself to hear a lot of really hard stories about the suffering they endured, about their fear, their whatever. they each were so happy that someone showed interest in them, they couldn't stop talking about their hopes for the future.

factwere so proud of the -- i remember one of the older woman said i can knit sweaters, i can sell them. one young woman said i know how to weave a carpet. right now, the men take our carpet and tell them to pakistan and we don't get any profits but i know how to do this. that is why some of our projects have been helpful because we have offered partnerships with these women who deserve them. tellach one had a story to not about fears or victimhood, but about possibilities and their hope for the future and their self-confidence that with enough work, we can do it. one of my favorite expressions i have learned from them when -- from the women of afghanistan is "no problem."

they love to say that. and going those women around the room and one of us said "see? everyone here knows how to do something." so, that is the arc. we cannot help everyone but everyone can help someone and everyone here knows how to do something. so i welcome your questions, your support, and your interest on behalf of my sister's afghanistan. thank you. [applause] >> we had a microphone here in the middle of the room.

it is very important to go to the microphone to ask your questions. >> to say that was inspiring is a gross understatement. this is a such a sincere question. as i listen to you and sure there is true possibility and potential, i don't know what i can do. what can i do? is it money, tell me. ms. ponticelli: i think this has been a beauty and thank you for that question. it is one of the reasons the u.s. afghan women's council -- that was the genesis of it. what can i do? we wanted to make sure the point is, it is not just about writing though, trust me, and

especially in this challenging time with donor fatigue, there are good organizations where you can make a strategic difference with a relatively small donation. but it is not just about writing a check. sometimes, it is about offering ideas. and i think that just making contact -- i mean, again, let me go to my connecting the dots. if you are a dentist and you want to know about how you might -- and i actually was telling judy that story the other day -- talking to a group at the state department from kentucky and i got the same question. i said you know, your talents, ideas help. they can use anything. to send books to a school. if you want to know where a school is, i can give you the name of us w -- of a school.

it is using our network. i heard once someone described the perfect definition of vocation. i heard it can be described as this -- the connection between one's deepest desires and the world the greatest needs. deepest desire is to help on the literacy front, to help children have access to books, there is a way to do that. i think we connect, we target the need, and we do it. i want to show you this because i think this is one of the most effective brochures. thank you for that question. i hope i answered it. if anybody wants to help, i will give you my card. love -- there were young

afghan woman that helped design this brochure. educated women lead to lasting change. eir education is the change that makes the difference. participation is the difference that makes a change. so, this is the type of program. it doesn't go to overhead. it goes to the women to support them, to help buy their books. where the medical insurance doesn't. there are all kinds of needs. they are going back and leading the way for change. it's a great program. sure. this would be a great example. thank you. >> i am just wondering what is

the influence of the taliban at this point on the women? before we even went into afghanistan, i happened to go to different talks about the country and the woman had to burkas allurqa is -- the time, public amputation, the woman could not go to school. how much influence do they have? ms. ponticelli: obviously, when the taliban fell out of power, you have the pockets in the part,ces but for the main there was a return to some ability of freedom. people look at that of think is that the symbol oppression? when you meet young afghan

women, some might wear a scarf, some might not at all. i was telling judy the other day one of the first afghan woman i -- women i met, she actually ran for president at one point. remember her and some other afghan women saying i remember when i could wear miniskirts or the younger woman would say my mother tells me she used to wear miniskirts. burka is usede primarily in the rural areas but a lot of those restrictions are no more. under the taliban, girls couldn't go to school. period. some of the bravest woman you will meet were those who ran

underground schools during the taliban at the risk of their lives. one woman told me she became a deputy administer of the education ministry and she is one of those women who ran a school. she said we told the taliban it was a religious schools will be children would come with the quaran. when the taliban would knock on the door, they would put the quaran back on the desk. whoe was one woman i met became the first head of the afghan midwife association. remember her telling us she had her son drive her around but didn't tell him what she was doing, which was delivering babies. she delivered 2000 degrees

during the taliban regime. babies during the taliban regime. -- education,ents health, life expectancy. met,irst afghan woman i life expectancy was 42. now they have gained 20 years. there has been tangible, real progress. the international community withdrawal leaves a vacuum and we open a door for the bad guys to come back in. that is what they are afraid of. the peace and reconciliation commission has kind of a token participation of women. but they are very fearful of negotiations with the taliban. >> what is the presence of americans at that point?

are there still any troops as advisors? ms. ponticelli: yes. there are still troops there as advisors. we are trying to continue the military advisors there. they're trying to continue the capacity building for the afghan security forces will stop some women are -- forces. some women are involved in the police force. training, advising, assisting. we are looking at complete withdrawal in maybe 18 months. it is a very short window and i often think -- a general i heard -- iwho was talked about have heard this story several times. it is a very vivid story of after the fall of the taliban and he was talking to a taliban representative and the taliban "you havehe general

all the watches, but we have all the time. " >> thank you. >> i thought i would highlight one of your points, which was that a lot of young men are supporting women and having been part of the feminist movement in this country, the mistake we made was not to include men. so what i'm proposing is we have of men and women here and a think that is a way we could connect electronically. so, i guess what i'm proposing is maybe we could help by mentoring. the netwe need to help and so instead of boots on the ground, we need hoots in the air. air --ink boots in the >> hoots.

>ms. ponticelli: what? hoots. cheering people on. yes, support is wonderful. and i know there are so many universities in this part of the world, this state. they give out the ways in your local colleges you could connect as well. you had michael smith, a former president of the american university of afghanistan. i think there is a great way to connect. and afghan women themselves tell that thank you for raising point. ,hey have told me for 13 years thanks for helping us educate our girls but we need to educate the boys too. [applause]

ms. ponticelli: and thank you for training woman but if we're really going to advance the cause of women's rights and equality and women's opportunity, we need to train the men. so, we get involved in this gender thing and i never use that word when it comes to afghanistan because it is a neutral term and it doesn't translate well. but women, men, mothers, fathers, family, they get that. and so do we. thank you. >> the last time i checked, there were approximately four countries in the islamic world theiruired sharia in constitutions. afghanistan was one. is that still the case and what is the prognosis for women in the future if that is brought to

bear? thank you. ms. ponticelli: thank you. afghan women were very active in the drafting of the constitution. that was one of the big challenging points they had to work out. they did feel -- at least my thinkection is -- i they're pretty proud of our constitution and they don't see a conflict between the particular clause and the equal rights for all citizens. so, they are working things out. the judicial process is one of their big challenges, the rule of law issue. so, they want to make their existing constitution work. we have amendments to our own constitution. so who knows? they may amend it sometime.

to one big goal right now is try to make that first female appointment to the supreme court. women are pretty much relegated to the family court right now and there is a lot of work that needs to be done on the rule of law and judicial systems. thank you. [applause] >> thank you very much, charlie, for a very inspirational talk. thank you so much. we have a gift for you. we want you to come back to santa barbara, california.

ms. ponticelli: thank you. >> thank you. [applause] ms. ponticelli: that is so sweet. it is beautiful. >> a couple of events to tell you about on c-span2. byian castro will we joined walter mondale. we have led coverage tomorrow .orning at 9:00 a.m. eastern in the afternoon, a conversation on the impact of russian arms and technology transfers to china. that is at 2:00 eastern on c-span2. >> a signature feature of the tv is our all day coverage of book fairs and festivals from across the country with top nonfiction

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change and clean energy from sunday's washington journal. this is just under an hour. host: the front page story of the president plans to travel to alaska to focus on climate change and global warming. president isk the going to talk a lot about the need to make our communities more result yet to the impacts of climate change. in alaska, there are a dozen cities that are threatened by erosion or softening tundra due to heightening temperatures and they are going to have to be

relocated. that will cost millions and millions of dollars. 85% of communities in alaska face this. there has been warming and relocation for decades and decades of this century what i know is that this is something the clean power plan is not a climate plan. at a hearing. he says this is doing essentially nothing to worldwide global temperatures. it is washington taking control of energy. it is not about climate. host: is global warming for real? guest: global warming is real and we have had global warming since the end of the last ice age. apertures have been going up. they have been going up in the 1979 to the end of the 90's, they went up faster

than they had been going up. they have slowed down dramatically depending on which endpoint to pick and whether you look at satellite or service temperatures. they are either totally flattened or they have shipped -- slowed down a lot. is warming, what we don't know is how dramatic and is and how bad is going to be if it is bad at all. host: moving forward what do you think is the best remedy? guest: the best remedy is that we don't know what is going to be the challenge. if we have the most vibrant, robust economy we will best be able to handle whatever those challenges are. we want a strong economy to respond, whether it is relocating villages, being prepared for madmen with nuclear weapons, it is just depressing to see the huge poverty problems in the world.

we want to see strong economic growth. the bestfortunately scientists we have just released this earlier this year, showing a steady increase in worldwide in temperature over the next 25 years contrary to what you said. and in fact, as a matter of fact, the world's best scientists, including from the national academy of sciences, from noaa, from nasa, all agree that climate change is real. it is here. nasa is the agency that can shoot off a rocket and have it .ome right by pluto they are the ones that are warning us about climate change. there is some uncertainty about climate, which is to say, just like smoking, i can't tell you how many cigarettes you have to smoke before you get lung disease. doubt, smoking cigarettes will lead to lung

disease. not in everybody, but it will. how many cigarettes? we don't know. same with climate change. pump carbonue to dioxide and other pollutants into the atmosphere, mobile sector is warming. some of the best scientific institutions across the world have all said this and we have seen the impact. for example in the last 20 years know what came out and said -- noaa came out and said the level has risen. we are seeing flooding in miami now. climate change is real and it is caused by humans. host: i will give you both credit because you both came prepared with your charts. the you have a different chart? guest: i have a different chart. i would like to show mine. dan got to show his. nasa putting people on the moon and doing all these wonderful things, however if you

look at the nasa generated temperature from their satellites, which cover the whole world, and not just this study which used the from old engine input on ships, for some reason that is the only way they the last 10rming in years. if you look at the satellite data it is very clear. it goes up and down and up and down. it has been static for the last 10 or 15 years. that is the nasa data that i handed you. then --plain to me guest: explain to me then, why have nine of the 10 hottest years on record occurred in the past 10 years? now we are on track in 2015 to have an even hotter your? the reality is -- guest: can i answer your question? guest: no. atmosphererer, scientists at university of

california at berkeley, he was a skeptic. he got money from the koch brothers. he concluded not only is the planet warming, but it is caused by humans. you would be hard-pressed to find a climate scientist who has your -- guest: he did not say anything to contradict what i said. he simply found that it is -- there is warming and some of it is caused by humans. you said can i find credible scientists? started this data, they have found that there has been no significant warming for the past 15 years. that is pretty straightforward. we get two different perspectives on the issue of global warming and climate change. the white house releasing this youtube video in advance of the president's trip to alaska. [video clip] hi everybody.a:

later this month i going to alaska and i am going because alaskans are on the frontline of one of the greatest challenges we face the century. climate change. climate change once seemed like a problem for future generations, but for most americans it is already a reality. droughts, longer wildfire seasons. some of our cities even flood at high tide. in alaska the hunting and way of that has been a life and jobs for generations are threatened. as alaskan permafrost melts, some towns are sinking into the ground. naturalonal -- treasures are at risk. while i am there i will meet with americans were dealing with climate change every day and i will talk with other nations about how we can tackle this challenge together. i hope you will follow along at ouse.cov/alaska.

this is not just a preview of what will happen if we don't take action, the alarm bells are ringing. as long as i am president we believe world to meet this threat before it is too late. host: your reaction, your response? guest: the president has been saying things that are's simply not true. -- are simply not true. the glaciers are retreating but they have been the last ice age. this is nothing new. sometimes they speed up, sometimes they slow down. we are not heading to a catastrophe. a chartance, here is from the national oceanic and atmospheric administration. it is something called the palmer hydraulic. -- on that there is no

the upper part that is where it is wet. on the lower part that is the drought. the worst drop by far, the dust bowl the 1930's. the governmental panel on climate change says the same thing. no trends droughts, no transit hurricanes, no trend in tornadoes. host: one other issue involving the president. he allowed drilling off the coast of alaska. guest: we are very disappointed. we believe the ecosystem off the coast of alaska is far too fragile. there is not the onshore recovery facilities. facilities inse the gulf coast when we had the bp horrible oil spill five years ago. there is nothing like that on the short in northern alaska,

none of the infrastructure to help recovery should there be a blowout. we are very disappointed. and if you look at his overall record, he has been one of the greatest leaders trying to address climate change and we have ever seen. occasionally he strikes out. host: we appreciate your passion for the issues. we know our viewers want to weigh in as well. let's keep our answers brief so we can get as many as possible. we begin with mike joining us from florida, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i have a couple quick things i wanted to get over. i have seen mr. weiss on television speaking be the untruths. agome or you, not too long medical doctors prescribed or endorsed cigarette smoking. just because someone says they are scientist, you really have to look and see where they are coming from. the majority of scientists, there is the 97 percent figure

that is often pulled out, that is a lie. anyone who wants to get involved at looking at the numbers rather than reading the rhetoric or propaganda can find that. understand, there was a global warming. during the last ice age. if iwere correctly -- remember correctly there were no co2 emissions about time. there is also across the solar system right now the same trends in atmospheric temperature increases that you are addressing. i am pretty sure there is no one driving cars on jupiter. the theory is, and it is not a consistent concept throughout the scientific community, that andossibly is sunspots solar flares and those sort of things. when you look at the solution the extreme environmentalists are offering, they are pushing

-- and trade that are from host: i will stop you there. we'll get a response. guest: first of all the caller mentioned the ice age. in fact there are is more carbon dioxide in our atmosphere than there has been in the last 800,000 years. second, he mentioned that 97% of scientists who have written. reviewed studies about climate change over the last 20 years, included -- concluded that climate change is real. 97% of those studies that were peer-reviewed concluded that. you 97 doctors tell me better have that funny love on your lung checked out, and three say don't worry about, who are you going to listen to? and 97, not the three. the caller talked about cap and trade. you would be surprised to learn that cap and trade was invented

by the ronald reagan administration. there the first ones to ever use cap and traded to reduce lead in our gasoline. it worked. it got as gasoline but at a much cheaper cost. that it was used to reduce sulfide dioxide pollution from power plants. atin, the reduction occurred one third of the cost that was predicted and 1/10 of the cost that the industry said. cap and trade was introduced by reagan and use more about bush. that is not the only way that people have to get reductions. there are efficiency manager -- measures, fuel switches. we need to reduce the carbon pollution now before levels in our atmosphere is sore beyond anything we have seen in the last several thousand years. host: you can get more information by logging onto the league of conservation voters website. it is lcv.org.

of course there is also the heritage foundation, heritage.or g. this is don. don, good morning. carle will move on to joining us from illinois. good morning. caller: good morning. the great moral philosopher yogi berra once said it is hard to make production, especially about the future. i oftenhe things that have an conversation with people who believe in climate science is i say to them, you think that earth is going to warm don't you? and i say prove it. science is climate not really science. it's modeling. you build a model and you protect the future. but of course it is impossible to prove. science is really about testing hypotheses which you are able to prove or disprove. these aren't really science and to say that the science is

settled is completely preposterous. it is not science, it is model building. host: thank you. david kreutzer your response. guest: yes. state --ok at the icc iccc, the doom and gloom productions are from modeling projections. ccc,, they have an ensemble of models. they can't even narrowed down to 10. if you plug those models in and from aboutng them 1990 and compare them to actual temperatures, right now the projections are so out of range that with 5% certainty you can say the models are not describing what is going on. the temperatures are less than half of what the projection was. that there is no

impact from co2, which i think is wrong, are actually making more accurate production than models. guest: it's interesting. just like we don't know how many cigarettes europe to smoke before you get lung disease, we don't know how much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will lead to how much temperature rise. but we are already seeing the impact of climate change which is, for example, two inch sea level rise over the last 20 years. there are glaciers on lands that are melting and straining into the ocean. quick --ls show slower glacial melts and we are actually were observing. the reality is, yes, we could wait until we have exact, 100% proof, but by that time it will be too late to act because there will be way too much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

then we will be in a whole lot of trouble. invest iny we need to clean energy, create jobs, lower energy prices and buy insurance policies in case the 97% of the scientists are wrong and the 3% of scientists are right. host: 10 years ago we thought happened with hurricane katrina, one of the deadliest and most costly storms in the u.s. mainland. guest: we can look at the trends. i have a chart here -- excuse me, i do not have the one on hurricanes but if you go to noah's site and look with the latest report, over the last century, there has been no trend in hurricanes. yes, we are going to have a record-breaking hurricanes with without co2 emissions. they're not going to stop regardless of what we do, so we can have talks about we don't know how many cigarettes cause cancer, but right now, we are not seeing any increase in

hurricane activity. we are not seeing any increase in strength, they go up and down, up and down and the 1970's were a more violent that gave them we have had lately and we currently have had the longest drought in the recorded history of the united states of category three or higher of a hurricane making landfall, over eight years, i think nine years. that will stop. when it does, dan is going to say, see, we have global warming. cornelia is next from idaho on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i probably have a little bit of a different take. i just would quickly mention that i have heard at least that iceland or greenland at one time was habitable and much more warmer than it is today back in the 1200s or 1300s, something in that neighborhood and that the earth was much warmer back in, so i do think there are trends

that go up one way and they go down another way and it is all natural. i have also heard that i think canada, the actually added more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere than any human pollution ever could or advertise at this time. i do think that so much as a is calledming, now it climate change because they realize global warming has slowed down. it is actually politically motivated. there is something called club of rome, a global ink tank. they have admitted to using global warming as an impetus to reduce the population of the world. host: thank you. dan weiss? caller: i don't know anything about the club of rome, but i do know that the caller is partially correct which is that in places with lots of organic land are like the peapod northern candidate or northern alaska or siberia where they are

frozen tundra's, as the earth thaw, those areas will and release carbon pollution, and that will heat up the planet and they will fall even more. it is a self reinforcing cycle and that is a real danger. it has not happened yet, but it is in the process of happening which is why we need to reduce u.s. and world light and missions. first, we have to do if you. we are traditionally the largest polluter in the atmosphere and we have to reduce our emissions and we need to work with other countries to get them to reduce their pollution as well which is also underway. go to an underlying issue which is the cost of clean air rules. kelly trust the epa to give us an accurate estimate of what these costs are because the supreme court disagrees? caller: look at your tax, no ideas of radical, but they detected a study and found that the claim power plant that would

require utilities for the first time to reduce the carbon pollution. right now, carbon pollution is completely uncontrolled and they can use as much of it and we will save the american homeowner about $45 billion in net electricity costs by 2030. $45 billion according to georgia tech. not according to the epa. i think that is a pretty credible idea that we are going to save, but the other thing is the market is not free if other people have to pay the cost of activity. right now, if you use utility that puts carbon pollution and that was becoming you do not pay the cost of that but other people do in terms of health early, immortality -- mortality or death, wildfires, another record wildfire season which is expected to get six times worse as the planet warms, all of these and other things

are unpaid costs of climate change. society is hanging and it is keeping the price of the dirtiest electricity artificially low. caller: i've got to on -- guest: i got to weigh in on the bunch. first, you talk about georgia tech in their study. , energy information administration, has already modeled the impact -- this is the obama administration's department of energy, their modeling of the impact of the clean power plan shows that over the decade of the 20's, there will be lost income of one taurean dollars. they will be years in the 20's isn the employment shortfall 500,000 jobs, they will lose 500,000 jobs, and $1 trillion. this is not the denier scientist or the power companies, or the koch brothers. this is the department of energy's own estimate. second, dan constantly -- caller: what are my ills -- guest: one of my house?

e myi ills? that's an insult. guest: ok, not your ills. thinking of carbon dioxide, a powerless and odorless gas say it is the same thing as said, why do they say that? people were getting a bit about global warming and the polls show that it comes in last in terms of environmental worries. what is first is clean air and clean water, so they have interesting carbon dioxide to look like soot because they know people do not care about the degree of warming but they do care about soot. he says andhat others say, we have had policies for decades and decades controlling soot emissions. producescoal plant less admissions than the plants we had decades ago. dan will probably jump in and

say yes, because of the clean air act which counters what he said earlier that we do not control it. host: let's get to jim from indiana. another half-hour for a chance to weigh in. guest: my wife went to indiana university. host: jim, good morning. caller: good morning. how are you folks this morning? i have a couple points i would like to make. i am old enough to remember back in the 1970's and almost every publication like "time," "newsweek," that the ice age was coming, ok? so, i would like to know what the scientists were thinking back then. number two, i think the sun controls our weather here. i think we have nothing to do with it. number three, i think this is all just a money grab by a politicians who want to tax the people of america and the world because we all know what china

is -- we all know that china is not going to go along with this. host: there was a number of thing that the -- guest: there is a number of things that the caller has misperceptions about. first about, it was study by several people and evolved in the early 1980's and "newsweek" retracted their story a couple of years later, so that was debunked. thatve never had a problem hasn't received more studies for more scientists than climate change. going to the clean power plan, epa has found and predicted that there will be net job growth. job growth of 100,000 jobs. annually, we would do's debt by 3600 dollars and prevent 90,000 asthma attacks a year. the next benefits are going to be 45 billion dollars annually. we were hit 25 years ago talking about controls on acid rain, opponents would have said the same thing that dave is saying

that it will cost too much, it will cost jobs. in fact, none of those things happened. the cost came in about one quarter of what people predicted. we saved tens of thousands of lives and have had net benefits of about $30 for every dollar in none of the naysayers predictions have actually come true. go back just a few years ago, the administration -- the obama administration missed control on mercury pollution and neurotoxins from power plants for the first time ever. the chamber of commerce said they would cap rolling blackouts -- has that occurred? they said we will lose jobs in indiana, in fact, there are 100,000 more people working when we made the prediction. we have heard this song and dance before. it has always been wrong and it will be wrong again. host: dan weiss and david kreutzer. steve is next from ohio. the democrat line.

good morning. caller: good morning. there are so many points here. let me start with a big one. several of the panelists and the questioners have pointed out the point of the ice age business. let me just say that we are in the ice age now, the interglacial period. let's just get that point going to start with. secondly, i think dave has brought up the point that he brings up some selected charts and makes a proclamation that there is no trend, there is no climate change. well, that is a fine prediction on his point but then he says the other side cannot make predictions with models, so dave, you cannot have it both ways. you cannot say others cannot -- notcan't say others can predict and then predict. they say, well, these scientists are model builders and are not really know, you're the barest

the big guy here to give us r isght, well, --yogi bea the guy to give us insight, well, no, we knew that carbon dioxide was a key prepping gas and we have shown that from understanding the atmosphere of other planets. let's just saving us, ok? -- let's just say the mess, ok -- venus, ok? we know that carbon dioxide is increasing over time, so let's get with the program. we know that carbon dioxide is a heat trapping gas, we know that it is going into the atmosphere, so dave should get on his program. too.: i have ills, [laughter] can i answer? i'm not making predictions, i'm saying they do not make turns. that is first about.

-- he, there have been no still keeps talking about asthma as if you get that with co2. asthma has no response to co2. he knows it is not, but he wants to make people think that co2 will be my particulate matter or it will make us sick because people respond to that. this is a power grab. whether we think there is global warming or not and the models, what is absolutely clear is that this clean power plan will have no discernible impact on global warming. it is a power grab. it is part of a bigger agenda. people just want to take control of busybodies. when of the most despicable things, in my mind, if you were to promote, like george soros does, a guy with $24 billion has been promoting policy successfully to kill the coal

industry. this past month, he bought one million shares of peabody coal the twolf million of biggest coal companies in the world. drivemotes companies that them to bankruptcy and then by some. haserms of science, the epa the science advisory committee for the clean air act and they have reported. onse are specific to check whether the epa's science is good or not. since 2000, the members of these boards in these committees have been on grants totaling $140 million from the epa. the people that are supposed to be looking over their shoulder at apa are getting 100 relay dollars from the epa. theaises questions about intent of these people. i cannot say that they are dishonest or they are not trying to do good science, but it certainly talks about selected and selectivbi