>> tonight on q&a, the trouble with lawyers, critical look at the legal profession in the united states. the high cost of law schools and the lack of diversity in the profession. >> i think we need a different model of legal education. we need one that includes one your programs for people doing routine work, to your programs programs, and three full years for those who want the full general education. same crazy to train in the way someone who is doing routine divorces in a small town in the midwest and somebody who is doing mergers and acquisitions on wall street. of legalsize-fits-all education is extremely expensive. the average debt level is

$100,000. that you can train everybody to do everything in the same way. i wouldn't trust myself to do a routine divorce. >> tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern and pacific on c-span's q&a. host: our guest on "newsmakers" this week is the archbishop of louisville kentucky, joseph , kurtz. you'll be surprised to hear that our topic is the preparation of the united states for the upcoming visit of pope francis. it arrives on the 22nd of september for a five-day visit to the east coast of the united states. archbishop, thank you so much for being our guest this week. >> my pleasure, happy to be with you. host: michelle boorstein covers religion for the washington post. stephen dinan covers politics for the washington times. stephen, you're up first.

>> take you for joining us. several popes have visited the u.s. before. the previous two popes of been -- have been in washington. none of them have done what we are going to see this time around. i'm curious, what took so long? why now? why is this the right time to do this? what do you expect to hear out of the holy father? guest: great question. the pope responded once the invitation was given. my understanding is that john boehner wrote on behalf of the house of representatives. together with senator mitch mcconnell, they agreed to make -- take this an open invitation. it is my understanding that this is the first time he has been invited to this joint session. it is a special privilege. we are happy that he will be on the public square.

we are eager for him to come. >> i would love to hear a little bit about the overall things you think he will strike. one of the questions is how much of his address will be interpreted in light of being in the political season with the presidential election and hot issues. this is happening as congress returns from a long summer break later this month. how much will politics be seen to play in his address? what do you expect we will hear out of him? guest: great question. i think we have to make room so that we can hear the message of our holy father. i don't have a text or anything of what he will say. we can certainly know from other visits that he has had where he has talked in the public square. that is a good direction to begin with. i believe that his primary coming is for the world meeting of families, saturday and sunday

in philadelphia. this joint meeting of congress, i suspect he will focus on themes of the common good, of what it means to see the dignity of every human person. the great gift of our home, the earth. i suspect he will also take up themes such as what he calls the throw away temptation. the temptation for us to become so involved in consumerism that we miss the side of the person outside of ourselves. he is coming, i believe, as a pastor and a profit. he is coming to be present and to serve others joyfully. the common good, and calling people to rise above differences, and especially simple self-interest, in order to look at the common good. with of course is the noble task of people elected to public office.

>> i wanted to follow-up on a -- stevens question a little bit. the context of the visit, if you go back in history, there are times when the pope would have never been invited to speak to congress because of the prejudice against catholics. there is also this issue of politics intersect in church and vice versa. when pope benedict was here last time, he didn't even attend a state dinner in his honor because he was being careful about that line. do you have any concerns about pope francis speaking before congress? do you think there is any risk for the church on that? guest: i am trying to think of what the downside would be. in our own age in which we look for opportunities to communicate, pope francis in less than 2.5 years that he has served as our holy father has not missed an opportunity to talk in the public square. he will also talk at the united nations on the following friday.

for him, i believe these are opportunities to contribute to the common good. right now, i don't see downsides. probably the biggest problem would be notetting his whole message come out. if they were too quickly to co-opt it, or interpreted to narrowly in political terms. he is coming as a pastor of souls, a prophet, not as a politician. by the way, i think the work you all did with the religious news association meeting in philadelphia 10 days ago, i think that was a good start to really to prepare for that broad sense. host: to move onto another question -- guest: maybe some maybe some of the other viewers

are not aware that maybe some of the other viewers are not aware that there is meetings to discuss family issues. a lot of us reporters and others are saying what will happen? what is it on the agenda? will could come out of it that is tangible? often you and others and say that the point of this is to be open. that that is part of the process. obviously, over the centuries, the church has changed its practices in many ways. are you open to changes in church practice? do you think catholics will see a change in their lifetime in church practice because of this? guest: let's face it. the two major areas we need to look at our being true to the teachings of jesus and true to the commitment of family, not only in the life of the church, but in the life of society. the holy father has said over and over, i am a son of the church. i want to preserve doctrine.

one of the areas we will need to parse would be that retionship between ctrine and practice. obviously, they are connected. i think that is where the judgment will be. lookg at the person, especially people who are hurting and people who need to be accompanied. what would be both the short-term and long-term effects of a developing pastoral plan. for people who are divorced and remarried, we will look at annulments and remove barriers that might not in any way, , affect doctrine. those things will be front and center. other areas, i will be participating in the discussion itself. i don't want to anticipate what the answers will be. host: you told the group that while you anticipated surprises

from the pope, you also anticipated that one of the themes would be racial harmony. since his visit is coming at a time of year when have been so many high-profile shootings in this country, both of citizens and police, and racial tensions seem to be high as a result of that, what can one visit by one pontiff do to help mitigate some united tension in the states? guest: we have to put that in the right context, not only what will be the immediate and also long-term effects. the holy father has said he wants to enter into a dialogue. that is a great call for all of us not to give up the richness of our convictions, but rather to listen to one another. harmony -- call for and that is harmony that doesn't know a racial divide, harmony that begins by looking at what is good for the other person. it begins with rights and responsibilities as something we

all take on. i think our holy father's message can be a catalyst. the call of a pastor who is not in the political fray to make sure that we are bringing out the best in ourselves. i guess you are correct that we don't want to overestimate what one speech or one word would be. our holy father, even his symbolic actions themselves, can be gestures that take on a life of their own and bring out the best in others. i think his gestures will be a great thing. by the way, you probably know this past friday there was a special exclusive interview in which he had a virtual tour. in a sense he has already arrived virtually. thank god for the modern media. people have already gotten a glimpse of the gestures and manner in which he treats people

with great dignity. >> i actually went through earlier this year, it was very interesting. basically, the jesuit priest threw up his hands on family life education and said we are in the middle of a lot of amazing changes. the best i can do, he essentially gave us speeches of the pope's remarks over the last year or so and said read these and let's talk about them. right now, it is difficult to say were the church will be on these issues a year from now. two things out of that. first of all, some of the folks were eager about that. some folks were apprehensive. i am wondering what you are hearing when you are engaging parishioners, and what you will go into in the senate on those issues? guest: two things. first of all, it is important for us to hear not only what people are saying, but what information they are basing their decisions on. one of the things that i have recently written about is that

media is our friend. we need to get beyond soundbites. we need to be able to read the full article, to see the full message. when you look at the people who you interacted with in the precana gathering, we have to ask the question, have we done our job as a church to inform people? the second thing is we have to begin with what are some of the authoritative documents. for example, going into the senate, there is a working document. i tell people, be students, read the documents, understand what will be the starting points for the conversations. if people are confused and they think that everything is up in the air, they likely have not read the working document. i encourage that. i think we need to be good students if we are going to be participants in the life of the church. >> switching to a slightly different topic about the actual

visit itself, it has been said that the pope will deliver one of his masses in spanish. >> yes. >> we talk about not letting politics overwhelm the pope's visit, but some are certainly seeing that as a political statement in the middle of the immigration debate. i had one friend say to me, what is it that the pope doesn't like about the u.s.? i don't want to put it that pointedly, but i am interested how you see the pope's view of the u.s. and world affairs? what what is the american role in world affairs? guest: i think we will find out more about that. our holy father sees our nation as being very blessed and having great influence throughout the globe. also, when i said earlier, he saw the fact that we have to be careful with our consumersism. that we don't turn in ourselves that we forget the common good.

concerning spanish, i have met with our holy father each year as president of the bishop's conference. he is most comfortable in spanish or italian. i understand that when he had a interaction with the young teenager in chicago, he broke into english and he did quite well. whenever he wants to make very refined points, and especially when he wants to interact, he is most comfortable in spanish or italian. me, we are the ones, if anything we are in the drivers , seat not to politicize that, , but to welcome, welcoming someone who is coming to our country. just like i do for thanksgiving i want to make someone feel as , comfortable as possible. host: we are at the halfway point. michelle.

>> to follow-up up on that, a huge segment of the church in this country is spanish-speaking. that is a growing segment of the church. do you think that this trip will highlight the diversity of those views? what is it that you hear from latino catholics? their views about him, his priorities, where he fits in? guest: what i have found is that views about the church relate as much to the level of engagement that someone has within the church as opposed to what ethnic group or particular division they might fit into in the life of our country. and so, those who tend to be more deeply engaged tends to be much more with the church. they tend to understand the

the church teachings to reflect , them in the behavior. those who are more distant from the church, who have stopped going to church or feel somewhat hurt in some fashion by the church, they tend to have very different issues. i think our holy father, his message to us loud and clear is listen, don't just deal with and talk with people who are already in the choir, so to speak, but go out. i think his message will be very much to reach out to people. what we are saying to people, give christ and give the church's message a chance. if you have turned away, this is a great moment to come back. that would be the primary answer i would give to them. >> let me follow up a little bit with what you said. polls show that catholics by certain barometers go to mass

and are connected in some institutional way to the church , that they tend to agree more with traditional interpretations of church teachings. that is not entirely true. we saw the big poll from pew regulary showing that mass attenders in this country acceptance ofoad what they consider a fully acceptable family. do you think the united states as an outlier in this regard? the u.s. church is in debate with church teachings. do you think that that is isething that the church saying that is the united states we were kind of ignore that, or , is that a conversation the church has to have? guest: having already interacted with people from every continent, i realize there is a great richness in every continent in our world.

the catholic church is present presenting the teachings of jesus and a faithful and pastoral way. listening to how culturally those teachings of jesus and how an encounter with him can come alive. it does not mean that the teachings themselves will change. our teachings are not based on polls or consensus. we are trying to remain faithful to the revelations we have received. however, i think it is important not just what is said, but also how it is heard. to me, it is very important for me to listen to how something is heard. whether the person i'm listening says i think the the teaching needs to change, i at let have the opportunity to enter into dialogue and begin by clarifying what the teaching is. often, there is a skewed understanding of what the

richness of our teaching is. >> i want to ask you a couple of specific public policy questions. y questions. at the beginning of obamacare when it was being implement it and after it was passed, the church saw some of the decisions being made as a real test between free exercise of a religion and what a number of folks thought was personal freedom, the ability to get health care, and to get a certain type of health care, birth control in particular. the church preached from the pulpit about this and about this being a free exercise issue. i get the sense from polls that voters seemed to have come down on the other side of this this point. most people do this as a personal freedom issue and have rejected the free exercise part. i wonder how you see that and what the church plans to do on that? guest: thank you for asking the question. i think it was since 1919 that our church has favored reaching

out and giving adequate health care to all individuals. what was painful for us and why we were eager to support the affordable care act, there were three provisions that were lacking. one was a promotion, if you will, a lack of protection for the abortion aspects of theith health care. there was so a less than robust religious freedom. remember, religious freedom does not flow from a large consensus but rather the great care with which we as a nation have held the individual conscience rights of people, even those whose conscience rights were running upstream to where the majority were. we as a nation, have always held religious freedom very dear. the third was our efforts to make sure we are giving adequate care to people who are

immigrants. the mandate that came after that, that we feel is unreasonable in requiring institutions and individuals against their will to actually promote and provide care, it is a different issue than the care people are receiving. it is the issue of whether an institution or an individual or company is going to be required to participate in that. you are right -- there is a long , long debate. i tend to say that the sisters of the poor are the poster child of religious freedom. the vast majority of people, when they see the cause of the little sisters of the poor, they tend to be very sympathetic. sometimes it is about how it is presented to people in terms of the polling you mentioned. >> church affiliated groups have

had a number of victories in those cases. the courts have taken action. one thing i'm interested in is the further development of this. the question right now is whether the certification that a religiously affiliated nonprofit doesn't want to provide contraceptive care as part of their health insurance, whether that mere certification makes somebody complicit in sin. the judge would be more reluctant to accept that. for a lot of americans, that might be a tough sell that the mere signing of a document makes them complicit. i'm wondering what your thoughts are on that? guest: our thoughts are very clear. it is, we are hoping, something that will be taken up by the supreme court. as you know, when you talked about victories, the efforts have been in creating a stay. while the appeal process goes to -- through, and again i have to

go back to the fact that we in the united states hold very dear the foundation of our nation of the ability of an individual to be able to live with deeply held religious convictions. that is really the issue we hope the supreme court will take up. stephen, i think you are right that the number of stays that having given in some of these court cases gives an indication that the supreme court will take that up. it is by no means an ended issue. we are hoping that during the session, that will be one of the things that we will hear, in fact i hope we will hear it very soon, the supreme court has agreed to take that up in this year's session. >> this is michelle. just to follow up on it topic related that stephen and i have

been discussing. part of this issue has to do with the investments and the relationship that the government and the church has in one another and the reliance on one another in partnership. do you have conversations with other bishops about trying to pull back on the relationship if it becomes too problematic? could you see the church saying we will not take this money anymore because it is too compromising for us? guest: you're asking someone who was fo20 years a director of the catholic charity in pennsylvania. i always saw the work of the catholic charity as being a panee entered into a contract with the government. rtainly when we look at refugee services, and when we look at the care care for troubled individuals, teenagers who have difficulties. we always saw this as a true partnership. i saw this as pluralism at its best. we were not seeking to impose our convictions on government or other people, but rather to say

that there are people within our nation who really desire the level of service and values that that service embodies that we provide the catholic charities. we continue to want to do that. if for some reason our partnership is marred, the losers will be the people we are serving. i cannot speak to whether these things will be anticipated. throughout the united states, you can look at every diocesan catholic charities agency and 180 of themrobably -- and you would see a different relationship with how much they have participated in governmental grants or funding. i will say that i worry about the people who are being served. our freedom is not a freedom we want to use for some special privilege. it is a freedom to serve others. that is, i guess, why i feel so

strongly about trying to persuade and coming on c-span and any place i can to tell what i think is a worthwhile thing for our people to hear threat -- for people to hear throughout our nation. >> i can't let you get away without asking about a recent encyclical. one thing that was interesting about it is that there was a general part about protecting the environment was well scripturally reference. the part about global warming and climate change was devoid of scriptural references. i'm wondering what that means, whether it has less moral authority, or how people should view that? guest: i would have to go back and talk about the scriptural reference, but i think the major scriptural reference our holy father has talked on his genesis 2:15, where god said to adam and eve, go and till and be productive, but also care for the earth.

our holy father does not present himself as a scientist. he presents himself as a pastor of souls, someone interested in the common good, and someone seeking to use the best scientific information available. in that regard, i have to say that in seminary, i used to life that when matters of and death are involved always , ta the safer course. i, for one, take seriously the idea that we preserve our common home, the earth, for future generations. >> you told the religion writers that you hoped you did not get so caught up in the preparations that you forgot to enjoy the pope's visit. host: thank you for joining us as part of your preparations leading up to it. thank you for your time. we do hope you will enjoy the pope's visit to the united states. guest: thank you so much. host: let's turn to you. we have talked a lot about whether this visit will be

politicized. despite the archbishop's hopes that it is impossible for it not to. let's start with the invitation from john boehner. there was tension between him and the white house and the extension of the invitation. is that all tied up now? >> the excitement and anticipation over the visit is certainly there. this is uniquely john boehner's project. he is a practicing catholic and makes that a big part of his public life. it is personally throwing for him. i am up at the capital every day. the excitement of there is very intense. there is a lot of eagerness. >> the interesting thing is that nancy pelosi, his counterpoint, is also a practicing catholic. this is one time where they can come together. >> a practicing catholic who at this point is making more references to the pope's teachings. that is why it's going to be messed in politics, those sorts

of issues. the democrats are very eager about some of the teachings, out of this pope. host: do youear on the hill people talking about the logiics of how the visit will work. is there any question about it? >> there is a lot of discussion about this. members of congress get one or two tickets to have visitors and a viewing galleries for speeches. they are inundated with constituents who are dying for tickets. they try to work out how they can get as many people and the capitol grounds as possible. host: one of the issues we did not get to was the sexual abuse scandals. the archbishop talked about gestures being important. we have learned that the pope will visit privately with some of the victims will he is here. >> i think this is a tough call. i think he has spoken eloquently about victims.

as far as making concrete changes in the church, i think there is a lot of dissatisfaction. some people would praise the things he has done. some would say that they are not nearly enough. particularly the accountability of people who are responsible overseeing the abusers. i think he would have to do a lot more to satisfy people who feel that the church has not really held accountable everybody involved in abuse in the past and accountability. the symbolism and the gestures -- there is a lot of theater and power in the symbolism. he is such an influential figure, people seeing him, whether it is visiting publicly with people or the things he says will mean a lot to people, but i think once he leaves, and

-- the conversations won't be changed unless practices are changed. host: another question about u.s. catholics. like many western countries, church attendance as been declining over the past few decades. is this pope and his enormous popularity making a change in that? are more people coming back to church? >> that is something that we religion reporters are always looking for information about. i was with the archbishop about -- at this event, and a shar this large pew about american catholics and we called it the -- we were all studying it for what we call the francis affect. things like church attendance, there is no sign of any change. there is obviously huge interest in the church. this is an old institution. they take the long view of his impact. one of the things that from polling that was really remarkable was that 70% of people who left the church could not conceive of themselves returning. i think that is pretty powerful. in our climate, this is such a busy religious marketplace in

the united states. there is so much for people other to consume and consider. it is tough for the church to bring people back unless it is willing to engage on a lot of these issues. everything from the place of gay families, but also to the nature of scripture. i think it is an uphill battle, even if people like to retweet the pope. host: they will have to find time to focus on that as well as the upcoming visit. thank you for being with us this week, both of you. >> thank you. ofwith a sudden death harding, coolidge takes office. harding influenced the taste of american women.

she never spoke to the press. she used her office to bring attention to issues she cared about. grace coolidge, this sunday night on c-span's original ladies, influence and image, examining the public and private life of the woman who fill the position of first lady and their influence he on on the presidency. us tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span3. wednesday, a panel of republican and democratic pollsters previewed the 2016 presidential election, including the current candidates and political landscape. panelists discussed donald trump's impact and the role of social media. chuck todd moderated this event at george washington university in washington. he evening together. we will turn over to talk to you. [applause].

>> , a freshman are in the building? that is fantastic. twenty-five years ago was obviously the founding of the school. 255 years ago was when i step foot on this campus, by the way this was a parking lot, next-door was the coolest thing i ever discovered which was tower records. we we still had to buy our records, all my student that belong to whoever the poor person who bankrupted tower records back in the day. i came here because i was hoping to experience, i hope to fulfill, i was hoping to have washington experience it. i think tw w does it better than any other school in the city, it is only school in the heart of the city, you feel it, the political community and away you

don't get at that school that is not on the metro in a river down by the street. nor the school that is near ours offices. there is nothing like gw. [applause]. all of my first jobs came just from being right here. let's get started with this crazy race. paul i will start with you. it's your party, what the hell is going on?

i'm sure you get this call all the time from friends and failing members and say what is going on. donald trump, what the hell is going on? >> it is changing, we used to had those a goal post and all the candidates would kick the ball to the goalposts, there are not in the goalpost anymore. whoever thought you could insult people, you insult people, you could switch positions, you could be a flip-flop or, and you could do anything you wanted to and you would rise in the pulse. we see donald trump breaking all the rules and so the question for the new freshman is why? how can you get away from that. we welcome you here by the way. the answer as to why you can wreck the roles is, he is doing something different. we call it agenda setting. he is telling the public how to make the decision about the presidency. he is not saying experience or anything like that, he he is saying make it on ideal maker. make it on someone who can negotiate better for this country. he is changing how we view the presidency. historically, when you change how i vote or group looks at the candidates, it can change the election outcome.

it doesn't look like it scientific but it works the same way. he is changing the agenda of how we pick a president. will he he make it? we don't know. he is in the game pretty strong. >> you are one of those gentlemen republican of the 80s, is this your republican party? what you you say when people ask you that? >> well i always say must be nonpartisan. some of the freshmen who are here, i had an opportunity to speak to on sunday night. when you say what the hell is going on? i think no one has done a better job of trying to describe what has been going on both political parties, not just in the republican party primary, and i was peggy noonan in her article in the "washington journal" a few weeks ago.

she said what has washington, the establishment given us over the last 20 years question she picked up candles, financial scandals, two on two on one rulers, and economic collapse, a tepid recovery, not even pretending anymore to control our own borders. a bunch of things that have frustrated so many americans, republicans, democrats, it independence that they are voting, at least regards to polling is an indication of their frustration of in-your-face democrats, republicans, voters. that's why you see people as strong as they are. the american people are unsatisfied with the whole system. i don't think it's just that republican party i think it's also the democratic

party. they have have lost trust in corporations, banks, it's an unhappy time in our country. i think this is what we are seeing a reflection of. of. how long this will continue israel question. host: paul you are an early contender with barack obama. it said one of the reasons obama got elected was a public was frustrated with washington want to shake things up. it's why he met first election, he got a lot of independent dents and republicans on the side. as side. is it just ten years of frustration is there and it's now born out even more so? >> i think being frustrated with washington is not anything new. you could make the argument that there are frustration is certainly high. i meant to go a slightly different direction. and go a little further than

paul. if you look at the american culture right now, what's meeting our culture right now? our culture is being eaten by reality television meatballs. those people who are driving that reality television are the same people who are making the kardashians rich beyond their belief. those are not separate americans, they are used. you. they are the american voters too. i actually love some of the political student standpoint what donald trump is doing. he is doing something amazing. he is taking all these tactics,

that have worked very well for him in reality television. guess guess what, they are also working really well in politics. one of the interesting things i've seen in the poll, from the iowa caucus couriers, only 41% of the caucus goers want a candidate with specific on the policy. so let's not be mistaken about what is going on in america are both culturally and how it is now gone on in our policies. i heard donald trump is fading, he's not going to last, and after this day in this day he will drop. he just keeps going up in the polls. think about how this is going to impact elections, not just this year but years to come.

if this is the trajectory now, i can tell you it's a horrible project to rebut a decade ago are parents, if this is the project area politics and donald trunk is brilliant and social media, his driving most of the conversations. think about your tools and the skills you will need to win in these campaigns. and to win and communicate and broadcast as well. i think he is changing the way politics are playing. >> the irony is he never senses on tweets. he has people to do this, they're huge. i want you to pour the cold water on this. here we are september 2,

september 2, 1991 same time,. i think that's really funny the four of you. september 1991 bill clinton hadn't even announced yet, september 1995 of 95 lamar alexander was the flavor at that moment, in 1999 at nine at this point time we're talking about steve forbes and all the money he was bringing to the race. 2003 a was three was howard dean, you get my point. are we over analyzing trump and sanders? >> let me start with trump and then i'll go to sanders. for trump there is something he is doing, i agree with what people are saying, he it's different than what we have seen

before. it's not that he's just able to set the agenda by playing by a different set up rule, it is fascinating to watch the candidates around him. it's like watching kids on the playground when one kid comes in and starts doing something differently and winning whatever game it is, kickball, whatever, all the kids who had been playing for a long time say, it's not fair. you're not playing by the rules. we had rules and you not play by them. >> that was july. >> i think jeb bush that that in july. >> so he has been a master of that, there's there's also things i've never seen before. i see the reason why cabinets are on the show is we have a feeling we can't go any further, i just don't remember, maybe you do, a time, a time when a candidate with 100% name recognition has a 75%

disapproval rating among people in his own party, where 66% of people in his own party set i will not party set i will not ever vote for you. you think okay he's pretty much done. everybody meets him adult like him, a few months later in iowa, those numbers literally flip. they go from 23, 60 said to total opposite. that's not supposed to happen. there is something unique about him. the question in my mind is how long does this last? is this something where it's been fun, interesting to watch it's been a group reality show for the summer but at the end of the day, voters are going to learn more about donald trump. he has been a master at being anything anybody wants him to be. if you look at his base of support it's a very broad. broad. it's not just angry tea party people it's a mix of people. so he has done incredibly well.

so that becomes a real question. can this hold on? there has not been 1 dollar spent yet in this race. there's been a little money here and there, up in new hampshire and iowa, but there is 200 to $400 million to sitting out there waiting to be engaged. has he changed the game so much that the rules were used to playing by, the 32nd ads, the opposition research, are they going to work? or that he has been pervious to this because he hasn't changed so much in. very quickly about sanders, agree he's making some moves based on some anger out there he's tapping into. the republican base and democratic base are just really

night and day. the republican base is incredibly divided, they are upset with what they see with their own party, they are divided on issues, there divided on policy, there's no cause he's in there. on the democratic side, they're united on all of the major issues, foreign policy is still a little bit of a place where they will divide. but not much else. despite all of the attention to hillary clinton, it remains in the high 80s. she does better among liberal democrats across the board than bernie sanders. >> every republican wishes they had hillary clinton in their primary. >> were dividing a vote among 17 candidates.

so there's a reason's it spread out. it's different when you have two candidates and that's what the democrats have right now. >> from lincoln chafee, that's why i couldn't remember his name, used to be republican. >> there should be an opening there for anti- hillary because she is. >> it let me move to the media thing. >> hit hillary's a strong candidate but i cringe a little bit when when the i've had the same thing in 2007. this blackeye with a muslim name came out nowhere cup fire. if i was hillary, that i'm not

working for her this summer, i would be very anxious about this and i think they are, because the democratic primary voters are restless. you know this, how often is it that the person who is the established front runner for the democratic primary and up being the nominee? it doesn't happen very often. democrats don't like. >> al gore did become the nominee, al. >> i would say

that fight. i think it would help energize the base, i love the primary sample site. >> should we sign you up right now is joe biden's poster? >> ..

>> he is very experienced in reality shows and he comes up with the -- not the speech, it is usually one sentence on a particular subject and it gets to something the american people are concerned about. he knows how to do it. the media love it. they have to, you know, you are in the business of the 24 hours

a day, 365 days has to be filled with msomething, i watched him o something and he was funny. he cuts through like no bod i think it a combination of both. honing how long it last i don't know. >> i think he's treating media like a salt shaker and empties you out and shakes you all over the place. he does it and it works. we have never seen it before so there is that novelity thing. >> we spent most of the time talking about trump. >> we get to really get into trump and his past policies or who he is or what he has done. >> he speaks on one thing not necessarily a republican issue which is trade. that is the one thing he has been consistent on.

it is the one consistent thing. >> that doesn't -- >> that is not a republican party issue. >> he breaks so many rules. if you remember there was an ad that john kerry, we had him on a sailboat and he would go back and forth ice surfing. i brought it but we can't play it. it showed how many times he flip flopped. it is a common attack, always works and it doesn't now. >> we have to go back it is not working among republican primary voters but it is working among not the flip-flopping ad but what he has done in terms of the issues he has brought up and the controversial issues he loves to sit in. and latino voters and female voters are a big problem.

>> you know the war chest that the major candidates in both parties have we haven't started laying that out. they haven't gone with that yet. i think they will focus -- what is on top. >> let's talk about the ma manipulation of a new meaning. ronald reagan was totally under the radar in the late '70s doing commentaries. ross perot showed the idea you can campaign on television. he was the first to pull it off being at 35% in the polls low and behold. you can argue obama was the first one to understand the power of social media 1.50. and other candidates learned from it at the time.

you look in 1992, bill clinton starting doing arseno after he saw as it worked for perot. my question is when are the other candidates going -- is there something to learn from trump's success? i think there is but paul? >> they are trying. they are attacking him with great regularity. if they don't play on his turf they are being ignored. i don't think it will cut him down. >> you talked about how effective him he is on social media. i look at him as on the record all of there time. john mccain on steroids. the beauty of trump and i would say to the clinton people, anybody call and complain, he is on the record loall of the time. shouldn't other politicians learn from this?

>> i do but it goes back to my initial point of it is the kardashian's tactic now which does say there is no publicity that is bad publicity. kim kardashian does these outrageous things on the cover of the magazines. >> making a sex type? >> but you see the ted cruz's and the scott walker's and they are beginning to sort of align with others and go further out there on some of theseissues. you have all of these republicans talking about building a big wall. okay. great. but they are following the line. there is something to be said and i think this generation is going to be working. there is something going on and

again that pop culture america that is in love with reality television those tactics are working in politics. i don't think you can ignore and you will have to master it. i think if you will be successful you will master what trump is doing. i just think you are going to. >> i don't think -- the secret to donald is annoying. he is always flamboyant. what you see now is what i would say with donald in business and so forth. he has the personality. i don't know i haven't talked to him since he started running for president of i will run for president, if i don't make it i will have a new reality show. i am not sure he gets up in the morning saying i want to be pre president of the united states. the other candidates, both

parties, they really want to be president. maybe donald is looking at the numbers and saying maybe i can be president and you know take it further but i think that is the difference. he has the personality if he goes up the to microphone he is good. >> this is where campaigns truing l -- struggleal because you have to understand strengths and wea weakness. some are great camera and some are terrible on camera and you have other people talk for them. not everybody can do that and people that don't do it well it is obvious when they fall on their face. ultimately, though, i think the issue that frank brought up is it is about authenticity.

bernie sanders has that gray hair and he is surrounded by 20-something and you would think he would have a older audience given his age cohuert. but he is the real deal. >> i talked to people that are trump supporters. some are there to send the collective middle finger to washington. they know what he is and they don't care. he is what frank said he is flamboyant. let's try to play out the scenario. five months until caucus day. i am not asking you to say who is going dto be the nominee and we will open it up to you. one microphone here and one in the center. line up and we will do rapid fire and i am hoping everybody has a question. i will do little questions for

everybody here before we go to you guys. paul, who are the plausible nominees now most likely that will be the most likely republican nominees and how do you see it shake out? does trump make it to march 1st? >> i think he does and i think i can prove it. i brought the statistics from four years ago and i inserted trump's number and just real quick you can see his 25 pkt % w hampshire, iowa and florida puts him in the game right away that is maybe an unfair way to look at it but he is in the game with delegates and momentum. but you have other great candidates. you have kasich, bush with a