host: it should be noted that pope francis reiterated from a catholic prohibition against pregnancy termination. another interesting tweet is that i am proud that the pope is going to be addressed congress. manipulating the visit of the pope is disrespectful of the president. john in pennsylvania has a question for you. go ahead. caller: hello. i have a question for you. first off, i will let you define what you call sin. second, i would like you to your stance on homosexuality when leviticus say one 26-28.n romans i would like you to please thatin how on your list you said homosexuality was not a sin when the bible clearly defines it as a sin. guest: thank you for that

question because i think you raised something and i want to be absolutely clear here. godis an offense against because god's truth. the laws that god has set down in the ways of living that he has given us in order to make us happy and have good strong relationships to love one another -- those archers that do not change. truths that do not change. a person who has same-sex attraction -- that state of being is not a sin. what the bible does condemn his people who are acting on that, people engaging in homosexual behavior. why? that is not the way our sexuality is to be lived. that is something off there. that's an offense against god who created our bodies, male and female, to be intimate with male and female in order to not just bond in love, but to procreate. so homosexuality did upon --

acted upon, homosexual sex, is an offense against god in the church is not backing off of that. what i want to be clear is that i am talking about a person who experiences an attraction to someone of the same sex. that is not a sin. that is a fact. that is just something about them. we all have sinful tendencies or things within us that can lead us to be sinful. maybe you are type of person attached to material things. those are things within us, but we are not condemned because we have those tendencies. the question is how do we act? how do we behave? host: pensacola, florida is up next where rick is waiting period goo. good morning. caller: i think you made a good presentation. i'm a protestant raised presbyterian. if i'm issue -- and wrong, i will let you correctly -- apparently the pope was

quoted as being critical of western capitalism. i believe that stems from his background as a south american. they are mostly socialistic. if i were to meet the pope, i would hand him reagan's diaries, because he clearly does not have an understanding of what capitalism really is and the free market. --is without dispute capitalism as a system has raised more people from poverty than any other economic system that has been experienced. communism, or socialism. i would remind that after world war ii, the marshall plan rebuilt europe and occupation of japan resulted in the second strongest economy in the world through most of the world war ii period. if i'm wrong, i will let her

correctly. guest: here is the things -- i think you pick up on something very important. abuse of capitalism are very much formed by his experience. -- views of capitalism are very erience.med by his expansiv it is something different. i do not think he has seen a capitalism that has functioned as well as it does here. that is one of the good things about the pope coming here. yes, we have people in poverty and that is a terrible thing, but it is not the same as this complete deprivation and some of these slums in the south american countries. even our experience of poverty is in a country that is what the. -- wealthy. the pope does not have that expanse. i think that is one of the things that the pope will take away from his visit here. at the same time, and i'm a conservative, but those of us who are pretty strongly pro-market need to acknowledge

that within each of us, we can have a tendency toward greed and selfishness. sometimes the market allows that to run free. here ishe challenges that even within our capitalistic system, how do we still prioritize people over things, people over money, and that allow greed or the ideology , which he calls the love of money, to just take over and make it easy for us to be indifferent to the suffering of others? i think that if this challenge. i think he is going to learn things and if we open our hearts in years, it does not mean all the sudden that we are going to sour on capitalism, but we can examine where we fall into greed or where we can be more sensitive to the needs of others. host: chester, pennsylvania. karen is waiting on the line for democrats. caller: thank you for your comments this morning. i wanted to point out something that seems to have been overlooked.

i think it is unique to this country. taken orountry we are leave it lujan. most every country around the world, religion and daily activities are intertwined. in this country, it is take it or leave it. church going person will wait a week and then go back next sunday and go to church again. it happens in every religion. and i do not think it is going to be overlooked by the pope. -- thereat i'm hoping is some much attention here on the pope's visit and i think catholics, even marginal catholics or christians, people who may have no faith at all, they cannot help but be inspired by this man who walks the walk. he does not just talk the talk. person in a crowd who can see the individual and not afraid to call out people in power who are overlooking or

harming the vulnerable. i think this pope really has something to say to all of us, whether we are faithful churchgoers are not. we certainly have that freedom to hear what he says and disregarded, but that is human freedom. host: in massachusetts, kurt is on the line for independents. caller: thank you for taking my call. a wonderful conversation this morning. i have some specific points. diluted by the things you addressed. schoolout from a cap at and have that education. recovering a catholic because when i look at the scripture, which i have done seriously, when i listen to this lady, i find it a bit disingenuous that the pope was the center and not the sin. -- loves the center and not be sin. it is a bit hypocritical to me.

the woman says she draws most of didcatholicism from jesus most of it was written by paul, who never met jesus and rested the church from jesus's teachings. thank you very much for everything and have a good day. host: i will let you respond. guest: a couple of things. the vatican's objection to those people who are part of president obama's welcoming committee is not because there is something wrong with the pope associating with those people. vaticane fact that the says this is a situation ripe for political manipulative. that is a sense for political endorsement. that is a position that you should not be putting a world leader in that position. you are really manipulating the situation to try to take sides. it is not at all -- we have photos of the pope hugging a

transgendered men. he reaches out to everybody. there is no animus in this pope. one thing he cannot abide is the primacy of ideology of the people and manipulation and that is what is going on here. host: your safety pope would reach out, but he does not want it to be manufactured. guest: if you met the people on the streets, he had no problem giving them a hug. the point is that president obama as a world leader has rust for these people -- the rest rust for these people who had dissented from catholic teaching and have an agenda. these are people who are speaking out. they are directly opposed to all the pope stands for. it is that manipulation and creation of a photo op. it is very unseemly and frankly should not be what happens in a

white house. host: let us see if we can get michael from alabama on the line for independents. caller: yes, i just want to tell this woman what a great job she has done. people call in and judge. i'm from a baptist church. i take a line from the pope -- who am i to judge? i think she is right about president obama. he does this every time. anything he can make political to score points, he does it. people calling in and giving her a hard time, they need to look at themselves before they start judging other people. i just want to say that. thank you, ma'am. host: michael in alabama. i want to ask you about one other funding from that q3's center pole. catholic church will definitely probably, according to catholics, allow birth control.

say the of catholics catholic church will definitely or probably allow birth control by 2050. 86% say it will definitely a probably allow cohabitating catholics to receive communion. 2050half believe that by that the catholic church will allow divorced catholics who have remarried without an annulment to receive communion. what are your thoughts about those expectations from american catholics? guest: i think those expectations are wishful thinking and unfortunately reflect the fact that many catholics do not understand the actual teachings and the reasoning behind it. if you understand the church's teaching on sexuality and you see it as rooted in the understanding of the human person and how our sexuality is oriented in a particular direction and it belongs in marriage because of procreation, i think those comments and those expectations really all right reflection -- are a reflection to be the greek in which

catholics have become, in many respects, like everyone else. again, this pope challenges us -- be who you are called to be. take those teachings seriously. examine yourself instead of saying that cannot be true. have you looked at it? have you discussed it? have you asked your questions? it is interesting how like the teaching on divorce and contraception -- the more we get social science research, the more we realize the body is something that god has created to work in a certain way. contraception has problems. there was a conference about a month ago in georgetown called a contraception conundrum where people with no religious affiliation came to talk about the difficulties of contraception and how bad it is for women's health. that is just on a secular level that we ought to be questioning some these things we take as given. same thing with divorce. remember 20 or 30 years ago when they say kids are

resilient? split,parents are they be happy in the research says that's not true. there is wisdom to the church's teachings. we have to open our years and try to discover that even if we have hesitancy and doubts. that is what the pope is saying iesbring those hesitanc and bring those doubts. host: we believe that there. mary rice hasson is announcer: on washington's journal, we look at the pope visit. and later, author of "pope francis." live every morning. you can join the conversation with your calls and comments on facebook and twitter.

>> the pope visit to the u.s., c-span has live coverage from washington, d.c. today beginning at 3:45 p.m., we are live with the president and mrs. obama to greet the pontiff on his arrival. wednesday morning on c-span as c-span radio, the welcoming ceremony as the obama's officially welcome him to the white house. coverage begins at a 40 5 a.m. later that afternoon, the categorization at the basilica of the national shrine. thursday morning at 8:30 a.m., coverage begins from capitol hill as pope francis makes history but, the first pontiff to address the joint members of congress. friday, live coverage from new york. later, the pontiff will hold a

multireligious service at the 9/11 memorial and museum. follow c-span's coverage live on tv or online at www.c-span.org. in 1897, popen paul vi served from 1963 until his death in 1978. you are looking at things of his 1963 coronation service. the final pope to be crowned in this matter. seceded have been and operated in a more simple -- inaugur in a more simpleated ceremony. from 1955, pope paul vi this is the united nations and was the first pope to travel to the united states and the first to address and they united nations general assembly. the film includes a portion of the speech and the scenes of him arriving.

it will live in the memory of those. lineage of 2000 years greeted by the chief representative of the world organization made up of member nations that count over $2 billion of many kinds and creeds. the holiness descends and is greeted by the united nations chief of protocol. at kennedy airport this morning. the secretary-general awaits

inside the threshold of the united nations building. the crowds and photographers and the canadian doors. historic ofo this the greeting. the cardinals of the papal party follow him and he passes into the main hall of the building. [applause] >> the secretary-general greeks him. -- greets him. the cardinals are presented.

the secretary greets them as they come in. the pope speaks at the united nations headquarters. not only the cardinals of the papal party, but also of course the five cardinals of the united states of america are also in the party. accompanied by the chief of protocol and the secretary general. lobbyg the cross the main on their way to the meditation

room. this room was constructed in 1952. shortly after the organization [indiscernible] by the latemed secretary-general. his holiness is looking after the plaques which commemorate those who have died in the service of the organization. aim to create in it a place where the doors may be opened to the infinite lands of thought and prayer. secretary-general into the meditation room. time, -- on the lips of so many and speaking of coming together.

surely a moving moment and an inspiration. you are looking at the famous pendulum. from the government of the netherlands. the movement, the rotation of our earth. inside the meditation world -- now, secretary-general

emerged and proceeds toward what he calls the ceremonious staircase which leads to the balcony where there is the intro into the great hall of the general assembly. ,n the general assembly hall the president of the assembly has opened it and left the hall to go to the top of the ceremonious stairway to agree to the pontiff when he arrives. stairwaycourse up this that in the past heads of state have come to address our meetings. chief of protocol proceeds pope paul and the secretary-general.

if italy and the top of the stairway looking towards the , as many as would say one of the striking architectural views of the entire united nations headquarters. there top of the stairs, will be a figure well known to his holiness. the prime minister of the republic of italy who has been elected president of united nations' 20th session. has already greeted pope paul this morning at kennedy airport and and now waits for him here just outside of the general assembly hall. slowly.ness proceeds

this great moment when he enters hall.ll -- full assembly [indiscernible] [applause] >> the public perceives it down downenter a -- proceeds the center aisle. proceeds toward the platform. he is now all in white. his white skull cap. he goes forward to the chair which has been prepared for him. he walks to the edge of the podium, raising his hands toward

him in the famous papal gesture. the secretary-general returns. [speaking in italian] >> he is moving forward. he will speak. pope paul vi: [speaking in italian]

>> as he begins at the address which is unique to the world, wish to express our profound gratitude to your secretary-general, for the invitation which extended to us to visit the united nations on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of the foundation of this world institution for peace and cooperation between the peoples of the entire earth. and and now the message reaches its highest point. negatively at first. you're expecting us to enter and we are well aware of the gravity and solemnity. never again one against the other. never again, never more. arose againstions

war and in favor of peace. listen to the lucid words of a great man, the latest john kennedy, who declared four years mankind must put an end to war or war will put an end to mankind. many wars are not needed to proclaim all of the aims of this institution. remember the blood of millions suffering,eard of useless slaughter. the sanctions which unite you. futureust change the history of the world. no more war. never again wore. peace, it is peace that must guide the destiny of people and of all mankind.

you proclaim here the fundamental rights and duty of dignity, his freedom, and above all his religious freedom. have a form ofu human wisdom and might almost say it is sacred character. for you deal here above all with human life. and human life is sacred. no one may dare go against it. respect for life with regard to the great problem. in your assembly, the highest affirmation and is most reasonable defense. to ensure there is enough bread on the table of mankind and milk to encourage birth control which

will be -- in order to diminish the number of guests at the banquet of life. the real danger comes from man himself. who has at his disposal more powerful instruments for the destruction. then, modern civilization must be built upon spirituality. we know can support. that if these indispensable principles -- principles can be found in only upon faith in god. [applause]

>> presented by the cardinal. in conversation. followed by a senator. and senator kennedy.

>> this is mrs. ethel kennedy. senator edward kennedy's wife.

this is the prime minister. i correct myself. that is mrs. kennedy now. the cardinal is approaching the holy father. the deputy prime minister of ireland.

you can see the delegates, the secretaries of the organization. the foreigns minister of france. he is the french permanent representative to the united nations. general the gall was accompanied

by the foreign minister. this is an ambassador. this is the prime minister of chile. this is the ambassador of the united states.

the next president of the general assembly. >> the pope's visit to the united states, c-span has complete coverage beginning at 3:45 p.m. we are live with the president and mrs. obama greeting the pontiff.

the welcoming ceremony for the pope as they officially welcome him to the white house. by the coverage begins at 8:45 p.m. eastern. mass.ow, the live coverage begins from capitol hill as francis makes history, becoming the first pontiff to address congress. friday morning, the pope speaks to the united nations general assembly on c-span 3. a religiousll hold service at the 9/11 of memorial and museum. coming up on c-span, a preview of france's visit.

the pope has been critical of some aspects of capitalism. a discussion on the two free market capitalism. the archbishop of washington said it pope francis who is visiting the nation's capital this week's changing the way people view the catholic church. he spoke to reporters at a christian science monitor request earlier this month. less success and was a breakfast 20 years ago with the dalai lama. welcome. the cardinal was born in pittsburgh.

he received degrees from the catholic university of america. he received a doctorate in theology. he was ordained to the priesthood in 1966 and ordained as a bishop in 1986 by pope john the second. a number the church in of positions. we are on the record here. please, no live blogging or tweeting. there is no embargo when the session ends. to help you curb that selfie

photos asill send soon as the practiced and. as regular attendees, please do the traditional thing and send me a subtle signal. i will happily call on one and all. we will start off by offering our guests the opportunity to make some opening comments and move to questions around the table. the cardinal will do 10 minutes of remarks and then we go to questions. we are honored to have you here. >> thank you very much not only for this very gracious introduction but for the welcome and for the invitation to be here. i am truly, truly complemented by the invitation. i will but to say a few words about pope francis. some of the remarks i am going to make come out of questions i get asked all the time with regularity from people both your

a part of the catholic church are others as well. one of the questions that i think is very significant is what is the pope really like? what is he like? is he the way he appears? and i have to say that the person you see going around the square and the person you see or the person in the window on sundays is the exact same person you see when you sit across a coffee table from him. when he receives you in his quarters, he's not sitting behind a desk, he's sitting across the coffee table were

usually has some interesting things he wants to comment on. i have found that this smiling, caring person we see on television in the papers is the very person you encounter when you actually meet with him. there's also the question about his popularity. one of the reasons i believe he is so immensely popular is because he offers in a very, very appealing way the message of his office. he offers all of us to consider seriously a relationship with god. he does that in such an inviting

way. so many people have said to me that what they find so endearing is the way in which he takes the great challenge, the great human challenge of having a living, working relationship with god, a human-divine relationship. he takes that and makes it something that we can feel comfortable with, that we feel invited. not all that long ago, i was waiting at the carousel for my bag to come up at the airport. a woman came across the area and said to me, we were on that same flight. she said, you mind if we chat what we are waiting for our bags?

you know, i think you will describe me as a fallen away catholic and i want you to know i started going back to church. this hope, pope francis, made me feel like i was welcome. this is the part i remember and why i tell this story. she said, when i listen to him i realize that it is not all my fault. that i am not the only one having problems. i thought, and and i said to her, you know, what you are saying is what they told you, that there is a struggle going on between what we would like to

be and what we are and doing. this contrast is something that we have to continually work at. she said she found in this holy father such an inviting personality who understood that we are not all perfect, but we have a place at the table. i said to her, the next time you introduce yourself, why don't you say that you are an ex-lapsed catholic. she smiled, i smiled, and then she went and retrieved her bag. there is another thing that peaks to his immense personality. he is able to touch people across all religious lines.

he is not just focused on the members of the catholic faith. i find this reflected in conversations with people all the time. a little while ago, i went to visit the hospital. i went and visited one of my priests who was in the hospital. as i was going in through the revolving door, there was a woman coming out. she stopped and waited. when i went through the door, she said, cardinal, i'm -- and then she identified the protestant church of which she was a member. she said to me, you know, i just love the pope. i think he is doing such a great job. so, we chatted for a few minutes and she went her way and i went mine, but when i came back out

after visiting the priest, the security man at the hospital entrance said to me -- i had taken my cell phone out to call my priest and secretary, and he said i'm glad we have a chance to talk while you are waiting for your car. you need to know -- and then he identified the church which he belonged to, which was not catholic. he said, this pope, our pope, is doing a great job. i find it is not unusual to hear this kind of response from people. christian, jewish -- i have a very, very dear jewish rabbi friend who reminded me one day that i need to be very careful that i am taking good care of our pope.

i think that he has this ability to reach across all kinds of lines and touch people on something fundamental, absolutely basic, and that is our humanity and our desire to live together in harmony, in peace, respecting one another's faith convictions, respecting one another's identity. his impact i find particularly strong among young adults. that is a demographic that is usually identified as drifted away from or not particularly interested in faith issues, and yet i am finding the largest number of people who are showing an interest once again in the

life of the church is precisely that demographic of the young adult and i will give you a couple of examples. when i visit our campus of programs of campuses around the washington metropolitan area, the number of young people at those meetings has increased dramatically. and they have very good questions. one of the things i find so particularly encouraging about all of this is this is a generation that really is speaking. they are looking. they are searching. they don't come with baggage. they don't come with a lot of negativity. they come simply looking. they are saying to me, do you know, this pope is for real.

i think that is their way of saying what you and i would call the highlight of authenticity. they are seeing in him, they are finding in him something extremely authentic, real. they would say that he walks the walk. i think we would say that he simply reflects in a credible way in his life the message that he announces in his words, and that is a beautiful thing to say. some of our young people -- we opened a seminary four years ago. this month is the beginning of its fifth year. at seminary is filled with college age and postcollege age young men. when i asked them about their impression of this holy father, it is very much along the same lines.

one of the young men said to me, he sounds like -- and he looks like -- meaning the way he acts -- the way i imagine jesus sounding and acting. and somehow that is his ability to cut across all types of stereotypes and all types of baggage and all types of lenses and actually reach people in a way that is seen and critical and authentic. >> i'm going to be, with great trepidation, we have done about 10 minutes of open. if you can summarize at the end, because i have a lot of folks that -- cardinal wuerl: ready to do

that. i would conclude that, because we do have to leave this open as part of the reason why we are here, i think we do have to recognize what -- what we think he hopes to achieve. i'm not going to try to answer that now because that may be one of the questions that comes up. what is the expectation of the visit he is about to make. having said that, following the wise and sage direction of the chair, i'm going to conclude and throw this open to questions. >> i'm going to do the ceremonial softball question and then we will look at my colleagues. olivia knox, paul bedard, john rizzi, and john dimitri.

i will introduce them again as they come up. as journalists, our lives sometimes change dramatically when our journal gets a new top editor. i am wondering how the new pope changes the lives of a cardinal. cardinal wuerl: well, in this case it has changed somewhat dramatically because one of the things that pope francis is trying to do is engage what we would call residential bishops, bishops that have diocese. to engage them in the work of the roman curio. the only way you can do that is go and be present. i find that is one of the very real impacts he has had on my life, is increasing the presence at meetings in rome where the holy father is trying to hear

the voice of the church around the world and not just the voice of the curio. there is another element. i think he has made life a little easier. because he is the one who seems to be engaging the world. when we are invited in discussion, there is already a disposition, a friendly disposition to the message because already, so many people find francis credible, inviting, so our work is a little easier. we have to talk to someone who is already disposed to hear that message. those would be two areas that i would say at impacted me very greatly. >> mark shields.

mark: catholic church university has had a main position on immigration. given the refugee crisis in the world right now, the failure of the united states to welcome or accept any refugees, especially given the united states role in the unrest in the middle east, do you look for the church to provide some leadership and calling on the united states to meet its responsibility well germany as some of the northern european countries have opened their hearts and doors to their poor, beleaguered souls? cardinal wuerl: thank you for raising that issue. as you know, the voice of the church in the united states is usually articulated on matters that touch public policy through our conference of bishops. the united states conference of catholic bishops has a voice that we utilize to address public policy issues.

for years, we have been addressing the need from some more equitable and humane way to deal with the issue of migrants, immigrants. now, displaced people in huge numbers, because of the violence, because of what we are experiencing, most of these people are coming from one particular part of the world. they are coming from the middle east, where the violence, particularly directed towards minority in the christian community, is horrendous. i find it -- i find it shocking that there is so much silence about that, that we are seeing the slaughter of people and there isn't that type of outcry that people expect from

parliaments, congresses, talk shows, editorials, and social media. that's one element, and i believe that silence is a factor in atrocities. you have atrocities because there are people who will commit them and then there are those who remain silent as they are going on. there has been a history recently of this level of atrocities that has caused waves of people, people that are drowning in the mediterranean that are fleeing a situation that threatens their life. people that are now on a greek island, people that are trying to make their way through train stations to get out of. that is the result of what is happening in the land where they

are. there doesn't seem to be yet that worldwide commitment to do something about that. and if it means all of us finding a much more absorbent europe, a much more absorbent north america to receive people who are fleeing for their lives. part of the issue is i believe he church has spoken out over and over again for decades on the humane treatment of people, particularly those who come to our country, because we all started that way. we all came here from somewhere else. we are the only country in the world that really was founded by victims, not the victors. we should be aware and alert to

the needs of people struggling to share in all the promise that makes us a great country. >> i'm interested in what wounds remain from the vatican's clash with american nuns and what that fight reveals about the church as a whole. cardinal wuerl: i am not sure there are residual, to use your word, wounds. i think what -- what was happening was trying to get different perspectives on the same issue addressed by everybody around the table. one of the things that has

emerged from all of this, and i think it is because pope francis has been strongly supportive of the idea that there is much more to be gained by all of the parties involved listening to each other and trying to see where there might be differences in perspective. my understanding is that sisters made it very clear they had no doctrinal difficulties and the congregation, i understand, at the conclusion of it studies said that the issues today are essentially resolved. it is a question of listening and hearing. >> we're going to go to emily wilkins from "roll call." emily: the big news from the vatican the pope's announcement that priests will begin to forgive abortions. one of the big stories in

congress is discussion about planned parenthood and the videos that have come out where it appeared that top officials have admitted to selling fetal tissue. is this a priority for the vatican to address? is this an issue that the pope wants to address and does he have a position on it? cardinal wuerl: the long-standing position of the catholic church, going all the way back to the second century, is that destruction of innocent life in the womb is wrong. it is wrong. it is innocent human life. it is even more heinous when use is made of the remains of a child that has been destroyed in the womb. the church's position is very clear and it is a position that will not change.

human life is the great gift of god. we have all received so many gifts, but the fundamental gift is the gift of life itself. we are stewards of it. we really don't have to determine who lives and who dies when we are giving with innocent human life? the church has been underlying recently that even in the case of someone who isn't innocent, for example, the death penalty, the bias should be in favor of life because it is the fundamental gift. i think holy father speaks to that. one of the things i found so impact of about the encyclical is that she says at the very heart of creation is the human person.

we have to start realizing the value and the dignity of the person. he said that we also have to realize that human person has a home. the common home is this earth and we need to care for this earth. then he goes on to say development, whatever development is going to take place, has to take place at the awareness that it is the human being who needs to be the center of that development. development has to be sustainable and it has to be done in a way that the next generation and generation after that would be able to enjoy the fruit. >> oliver knox from yahoo! news. oliver: how hard is the church going to work to get catholics to washington d.c. for the pope's visit? you want to make the national parks service break out in cold sweat, tell them that you are bringing buses and buses of

people. speaker boehner said they have invited three popes and this is the first to come visit them. why has the pope traditionally shunned the legislative branch? cardinal wuerl: let me start with the beginning of that multifaceted question. what are we doing by way of inviting people and preparing to receive people? you have to remember, as you so well know, the holy father is coming to the united states. he is going to visit three cities. philadelphia is the place where he is going to be engaging the huge crowd. we were told in preparation for the visit that the idea of doing huge mall-type masses is not really what the holy father was looking for when he visited

washington or new york. that is going to take place in philadelphia because they have been preparing for years for this world meeting of family. that has not stopped people from asking. this is part of the challenge we are facing. i don't have to encourage anybody to come to this city and to come to the papal events. i found i have more dear friends that i ever realized i had. and for every seat we have, remember that we only have 25,000 at that mass. for every seat we have, i would say we have had 10 requests. the balancing act is how do you get an equitable distribution of those seats so that representation of everybody is there? that is the first challenge.

you are right. those that have the responsibility of security, traffic, crowd control, safety, and parks. i think are working wonderfully well to try to face the reality that when this pope comes, there will be people everywhere who want to see him. our problem is simply the limitation of space. that's a good problem to have. >> and then the legislative branch? cardinal wuerl: i don't know the history of other requests. i do know that this holy father seems to be comfortable taking any forum, any podium, any platform.

he doesn't seem to be molded by the audience. he takes his message and presents it in the hope that that audience will hear his message. i think when he speaks to congress, he is going to be bringing a spiritual message. i am pleased that he feels that comfortable speaking to any group, not just a religious forum. >> that we do a quick follow-up. as you know, in new york they have announced plans to have the pope drive through central park and allow people to come and see him on either side. is there any such planning underway in washington? cardinal wuerl: well, we hope that he is out at the basilica, the national shrine at catholic university, for the canonization mass.

that there will be some kind of a group there where people would actually be able to see him. we are also hoping that there will be some time when he is coming or going from the white house, that there will be in opportunity for people to see him. that has not been altogether finalized yet. part of it is the concerns of security that you don't announce too far in advance. one thing about central park, the area they're talking about, is going to be closed long in advance, much to the joy of people who jog in central park. that is a issue we don't have quite in that format. >> an issue that has become quite a hot topic on capitol hill and in the churches the same-sex marriage issue. the government might ask all

religious institutions to conform to the law. if that happens, what with the diocese have to give up and how would you address it? cardinal wuerl: the issue of religious liberty, as you know, predates that particular issue and goes back basically to the mandate where our objection primarily was the decision of the government to decide for us what constitutes religious faith and what constitutes religious worth that are not -- works that are not part of our faith and practice. we went into court precisely because we feel -- the gospel mandates are as much as a religious mandate as you shall not kill, you shall not bear false witness.

the argument right now is that we don't feel be government should tell us how to practice our faith. historically in our country, the practice of faith has been a public thing. you think about the health care, public service, charity. when you think about all these areas of the country, these are religious institutions that established the first hospitals, the first charities. we are saying that is as valid today for us as it was all those centuries ago when we were just getting started. i think part of the concern is going to be why the bishops of our country have done that. religious freedom should not be determined for us any more than people in the media would want

freedom of speech determined by someone else. you would legitimately object to those who would say, these are the things you can address and these of the things you can't address because they are out of the realm. it is the same constitutional guarantee for religious liberty. we are saying, don't say to us you can't be religious in this area. you can only be religious in your sanctuary. that is part of the challenge, but that is something we have worked on and work through from the beginning in our country. finding a balance between group on the left, the law of the land, and how we live with it. >> mike dorney from bloomberg. mike: we all write primarily about public policy. i am interested in news that the

pope will come to washington while here in the united states. >> a little louder for the ancient among us. mike: the pope will address issues of public policy. he certainly has not shied away from it before. how much has been communicated, signal, or your expertise have you picked up on what he will say regarding public policy, public policy matters in the united states? one area in particular in which a public person like me might expect them to say something would be on climate change given pay. the letter in june will be in december. you have any issues about climate change or migrants in the u.s.?

cardinal wuerl: thank you for that question, because it allows for a response that includes a very, very important distinction. i am very much aware that public policy is a big part on the interest of everybody around this table. i think what the holy father will be doing is addressing issues. public policy is one way of responding to issues. but another way to address issues is to put them in a spiritual and pastoral dimension, to remind us that these are real, valid interests and that they require a response and there has to be a deal with issues of environment with issues of human freedom, with issues of human life and the flourishing of human life. it is all to the government to come up with policies. it falls to the government to come up with ways of addressing that, particularly in society where the voices of all can be heard. it falls to the church and falls to the pope to keep reminding us, you need to address these,

and there are some parameters for addressing those issues. theeeps reminding us that human person is the center of whatever decision you make concerning any public policy. the flourishing of the human person from conception to natural death, the flourishing of the person is at the heart of

our appreciation of human life and development. saying, i don't know what he'll say because i haven't seen the text, but i think he'll also call us to our own very real -- i think pontative history. this country is made up of so many groups and so many institutions and so many expressions of community, whether it is religious, whether it's community service, whether it is fraternities, whether it is unions, whether it is made up of gatherings of people who work together to solve a problem in their local community. that's one of the strengths of our country, we are multi-layered. we are not monolithic. we are not one gray state in which decisions are made and carried out by a system of government. our responses to human problems reflect the very complexity and

plurality of our country. i think it's something that the holy father should be speaking out of aware of, this history of ours, of being free to take on the challenge of human problems. >> we're hoping to go back to the subject of abortion. could you explain what the norm has been in the archdiocese of washington in cases of abortion? how will that change this coming advent and then can you talk about that in sort of the context of where he seems to be presenting a more open, merciful, forgiving church in areas of abortion, church, same-sex

marriage while maintaining catholic doctrines cardinal wuerl: he does the gospel. at the same time, he proclaims the fullness of the gospel. there's no change in catholic teaching on the value and worth and sacredness of life. but, what our holy father is saying, all that said, how do we deal, now with someone who has had an abortion? and isn't the response a response of love, compassion, care? he keeps reminding us that we all need the embrace of god's mercy.

who can say, i -- i don't need -- i'm -- i'm perfect? maybe mother theresa could have, but there are a few others who could say that. in fact, when the pope was asked early on to identify himself, he said, i'm a sinner. i'm a sinner who has been embraced by the love of god and i think that's what he's trying to say. this year of mercy is a time when all of us should be looking at one another with compassion and forgiveness, mindful of god's mercy, but that mercy is also shared through us. we pray to be forgiven as we forgive. when it comes to abortion, it has been the practice of the church that given the particular violence of this action, this destruction of

live, they are required to remind us of all serious that is. they were required special permission. the holy father is saying every priest across the world, during this time of mercy, should have that fac -- faculty. that power to do that without checking it for the ship. bishop >> so, in the past, it . has had to come to you? cardinal wuerl: we are granted that faculty, that power, that authority to a priest, to a bishop, to do that. because the idea is the mercy should be readily available as possible. but the holy father is just

saying -- many, many diocese have done this, why don't we make this? >> it won't change anything in a technical matter? cardinal wuerl: the faculty to do this is a part of what our priest are able to do. i think that -- that piece is only as important as is the bigger message. being merciful and be generous with the mercy. >> john, who has provided me daily encouragement to set up this breakfast now gets to ask a question. >> thank you. you are unaware of the current ongoing litigation of the little sisters of the poor.

when the case came up, the green family that owns hobby lobby says if the court ruled against them, they would close their company down rather than comply with providing abortion-inducing drugs under the health care plan for their employees. we don't know how little sisters of the poor will come out. if it does, indeed, go against this very catholic charity, would the can church urge them follow what the green's said and close? cardinal wuerl: the answer to that question is going to depends on what the supreme court eventually rules. and, a lot of that with -- we just have to wait to see what the court will finally rule because there are indications coming out of the court

that they do make a distinction between those that are -- those that are for profit and closely held family institutions and those that are religious and not for profit and the accommodation that's been made in the case of one that wasn't made in the other. i think we're just going to have to wait and see how the supreme court threads its way through all of those questions and then we'll know what it is we're answering. >> we go to michael from the dallas news. >> [indiscernible] i think was the conference of bishops and the tone was so different than what had been used before, particularly on gay marriage and other questions,

like gay marriage. i'm just wondering if, as a cardinal and bishop, you felt gently -- in the way the church had made their -- to follow-up on dave's question, a change in the way you do your business? cardinal wuerl: i actually felt two things. i felt greatly affirmed by this pope and i felt encouraged. the affirmation was, again, he keeps saying to us, the gospel message is what we need to keep proclaiming and that's what you've been doing and keep doing it. but the positive affect and encouraging effect that i also felt was, let us emphasize the mercy of god, the compassion of god.

it's a question of pastoral emphasis rather than doctrinal expression and i found very encouraged by this holy father. i sure ly felt affirmed because when you've been at this a long time, this january, i'll be 30 years as bishop, you've had an opportunity to do a lot of teaching and a lot of writing and a lot of instruction. and i didn't find anything that i would have to change in what i taught -- i also found that it's very, very encouraging to be told, keep focusing on the mercy. keep focusing on the compassion aspect as well. >> there was a significant change in emphasis, that's why --

>> turn on your mic, please. >> if you accept the idea there was a significant change in pastoral, do you think it was misplaced? cardinal wuerl: i think it's a will matter of shading. i think there was compassion in the teaching. this time, the holy father is highlighting it in his actions in a way that people are hearing it much more clearly. the fact that none of the teaching has changed means the only area where there can be a shading of emphasis is on the pastoral application of the teaching. i think we're seeing, in him -- that's why this sense of welcome -- people are seeing in him that there is a strong, strong focus and maybe -- maybe all of us, bishop, and

layperson in the church, are saying, let's see how well we're doing that. >> we're going to go next to -- let me try on your name? dmitri. from the financial side. >> do what extent has the pope's views on climate change, capitalism alienated the catholic flock? also, i know he's try ing to reach out to a prison, to a school in harlem, but he's not going to iowa. is there a chance he's not seeing the whole america? cardinal wuerl: let me start with the last part of that. i just watched, early this

morning, the holy father's videoing and conversation with three different parts of the country. we have a pope that's trying to be present without being physically present. it's very, very taxing to have to fly all over the world to try to be with a flock that is spread throughout the world. this is the first time i've seen an effort to use electronic media, to be in different parts of our country. coming to the united states, clearly, at least this was my position, clearly you have to stop in washington. it's the capital.

and i keep saying if you visit the capital, in a sense, you're visiting representationly, the entire country. then, of course, he's going to new york because of the un and philadelphia because of the world gathering of families. it would simply be -- we talked about this -- it would be physically impossible for him to get to all the other places that are asking for his presence in a country this huge. i had to -- i had one of the -- one of the members here, not all that long ago, who marveled that it took five hours to fly from new york to los angeles. i said, welcome to the united states. and, the pastoral challenge of that is what i think the holy father is facing. you're -- your question, i think, provides us an occasion to

reflect on how do you, today, do that? i think it can be done electronly -- electronly, as well as physically. >> i was told that the pope's mass is going to be in spanish? is that right? cardinal wuerl: yes, the mass is going to be in spanish and the -- well, i think the significance of that is, first of all, it's one of the holy father's times, i think he grew up with both spanish and italian so he's most comfortable in spanish. also, it's a recognition of how large the spanish population in the united states in and what a significant part of the church they are here, in so much of this arch -- archdiocese and

he is coming as the first pope from the new world and the language, the predominant language, in this hemisphere, is spanish. it will not be solely spanish. he's going to have some things in english. we do intend to have the jumbotrons for translation. >> what does the pope hope to achieve, specifically, in washington? cardinal wuerl: thank you for that question. i don't know, so i'm just projecting

because i want to make that very clear. i haven't seen any of his talks, so i don't know what he's going to say. he did say to me, some time ago, that he had -- that he was working on his talk for the united states for congress, but he didn't say, do you have any pointers? [laughter] i would think among the things he hopes to achieve is a recognition by all of us in this country that we really can, if we work together, make a difference. that it is possible to work together and that working together, we need to care for people who have need s. we also need to be able to welcome the less fortunate and to revere all human life and i think -- i think he's going to try to evoke from all of us the understanding that we do have a responsibility for each

other and also for our common home, this planet. what format that will take -- i don't know. i do not think it is going to be pipe proposing -- by proposing public policy, but i think it will be by calling us to understand that each one of us has a responsibility to one another and to our common home and that we have to find ways to work together to make that an achievable reality. >> with got about three minutes left. we have a number of questions and we will not get to the mall and we are slugging away. jonathan from the new jersey advanced media. >> when the pope talks to the

president, they try to find common ground where the pope basically says i do not agree with your position on abortion and same-sex marriage and they try to find things they agree on and talk about how they can achieve those goals together. this is one of the reasons why those meetings are always in private. [laughter] are the presse releases afterwards, the statements, this is what we talked about. as you do, i have to rely on what comes out of those meetings by way of follow-up statements. politico.back from >> i will make a very short. one of them is that the pope is

going to be meeting the president. the president has a lot of affection for this pope, but in terms of messaging, how far can the president go in "for lack of word" withoutter going too far? how would the church view if the president went too far praising the pope or capitalizing on his visit whether it is for public policy? actually, let us do one with you. >> i just want to learn how to say bipartisanship in latin. [laughter] cardinal wuerl: one of the things i would say if i do not think i would ever be offended , including the president, praising this holy , if i, but your point is understand correctly, is that

going to be used? can that be understood as being used? i think that is just a fact of life. almost anything the pope says is going to be interpreted by somebody, and i think in the presence of the holy father, and byhe speaker says the way of thinking the pope, it's want to be interpreted by people in different ways. maybe that's one of the things that this holy father is asking us to try to get a little bit can we findhat is some common ground without having to start immediately with interpreting it from the vantage point of one physicians. -- position. >> you have a 32nd question? towill the pope's address congress also be in spanish and will he consult the catholic bishops at all when he arrives on the content?

cardinal wuerl: the answer to the first question is that my understanding is that he will speak in english at congress. textll be reading a because i'm not sure anybody gets into that without a text. he will be using a text, but i am told he will be speaking in english at that event. the second part of your question -- >> you said he is not talking about consulting the cap bishops. will he consult the catholic bishops? i think theerl: holy see has asked for reflection on part of our conference of bishops, but he did not ask me when he told me he was worsking on the text. but he has solicited from the whatevere of bishops

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john: this was pope paul the sixth quoting saint ambrose. equallyanother test worrying is the ecological question. men of sus is over the earth and a disorderly way. he has embarked on a quest to destroy the natural environment. john paul ii. last, how can we generally teach the importance of concern for beings if we fail

to protect the human embryo even when it's presence is uncomfortable increased difficulties? this is pope francis. i'm not sure what pope francis says is even new or shocking because he has a colorful style, but he is firmly positioned in catholic teaching. the differences that the media likes to draw between him and his previous assist us predecessors is that francis himself said he proposed himself about his teachings about marriage and conception that i am a son of the church. i want to talk about what he has to say about poverty and what he might mean about the environment and new little bit about the authoritativeness of church teachings. let me begin with the poor care for the poor has been a major theme of the pope's teaching. francis,hose the name

it was in part because francis is the man of poverty. latinthe first pope from america where the rates of extreme poverty are much higher than what we see in the united states. his idea that we who have more have a responsibility to people who have less is sometimes called the preferential option for the poor is not an original idea with him. johnis the pope quotes st. , who lived in the fourth century to the early for hundreds, his homily on the richmond here is what st. john said. not to share one's wealth of the court is to steal from them and take away their livelihood. it is not their own goods we hold, but there's. we have a duty to share our turn with a rise from catholic ideas. first is the notion that everyone of us has an inherent

dignity because we are children of god. not just catholics, but the book of genesis as every man and woman is created in god's image and likeness out of love. the other is the notion that we are made to live in community and god gives us creation not to serve just our own individual ands, but the common good the way we use property. here's leo the 13th, a pope who created a university, quoting saint thomas aquinas. materialot consider possessions as is all, but, to all -- common to all. mistake we all make and hearing stuff like this is thinking the pope is making a political argument. the idea that we have to share our wealth is not a plank from the socialist party platform. it's a spiritual counsel. if you want to inherit eternal

life, go and sell what you have and give to the poor. this is the message the pope delivered when he made a trip to korea in 2014. he said to the young people there that they needed to combat the alert of materialism that stifles all done it in spiritual cultural values -- authentic and spiritual cultural values. still, in writings like laudato prettye francis has harsh words for free market capitalism. he calls the economy and economy of exclusion and inequality and an economy that kills. he criticizes trickle-down theories of economics. seems more revolutionary than reformatory. these are strong words for a system that seems both necessary

and beneficial. you just heard some interesting data about the effects that free market capitalism has had. i recently read and arthur brooks's new book that the expansion of free market capitalism is responsible for a worldreduction in wil poverty. it declined by 80% between 1970 and 2010. he says the institutions that deserve credit for this decline are globalization and free trade and property rights and the rule of law and entrepreneurship. so what is up? brooks, the pope seems like a crypto socialism with little confidence in free market capitalism and little understanding of the benefits of growing the economy. so who's right? it is not that simple. in the first place, the pope believes that work is important

even holy. he says that it is a noble vocation and for this reason, he says we do not want a comprehensive welfare state. welfare should be a provisional solution and not a permanent one. our goal off to be to provide a dignified life for everybody through work. businesses and markets aren't essential part of this task. in the second place, it is true that francis understands the importance of growing the economy to provide jobs. he recently spoke to leaders in paraguay and said every culture needs economic growth and the creation of wealth. what he asks of business people as they not only increase the goods of the world, but make them more accessible to everybody. so why the seeming condemnation of the market?? the central point of his teaching is the market is a tool

that is subordinate to the good of human beings. it must not be the measure of human goods or the end to which we bend other things. see that happen, even human beings themselves are consummate -- considered consumer goods to be used and discarded. the summer, he gave a speech at the world meeting of popular movement in bolivia and spoke words very much like this. he described the global economy as a system that imposes the mentality of profit at any price. when he was in paraguay, he asked politicians not to yield to an economic model which is idolatrous, which is the sacrifice human lives on the altar of money and profit. it would be tempting to dismiss the pope's words as inflammatory rhetoric if they were not literally true. today, as the pope has highlighted on many occasions, we throw away children -- more than 30 million a year from

abortion, the great majority of the developing world. the summit, the center of medical progress released a series of videos about planned parenthood selling the lens of aborted children as commodities to medical researchers. become line items on an invoice. a human being known and made by god is deemed more valuable death and life. france is also points out that we throw away the elderly in nursing homes and the poor in slums and young people who are struggling to find work. the unemployment rate for young people in italy is north of 40%. the pope's goal in speaking so often about the poor is to bring them to our attention. he decries the fact that poverty has become so commonplace that it is acceptable. , how can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points?

this is a case of exclusion. can we continue to stand by when food is thrown away when people are starting? this is a case of inequality. almost without being aware of it, he says we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor. i said it wanted to talk to report and a little bit about the environment and the authoritativeness of the teachings. let me say word or two about the environment. maybe the most surprising thing about this encyclical which has gotten so much attention is how little space is extra devoted to the thing we usually talk about when we focus on the environment. in the first chapter, he spent a lot of time talking about pollution and global warming and the loss of biodiversity, the standard fare of ecological talks. ofs just as worried deterioration of what he calls human ecology. he find symptoms of that in a most every aspect of human life. he talks about the loss of green space in cities, the increase of

violence, social exclusion, the rise of drug trafficking, and he ton has tha that edwards say about the internet. he says there is a decrease in communication with we talk on the phone and direct contact when we talk about the joys and fears of others. these are all symptoms he says of the same disease. francisca condemns what he fors a technocrat society, us to possess and master and transform. it is not. gidgenature's god's art. has a value being we should respect. have a moral relationship with the earth itself. in all this, he sounds sometimes club.eter of the sierra isalso says that man, too,

given to man. , unlike the usual proponents of the environmental movement, that we shouldea have a reduction in the birthrate, especially in the developing world, it's a solution to climate change. he stresses the inconsistency of those who protect a danger -- -- integers betwee endangered species. he says we must accept our masculinity and femininity and the human oncology. this encyclical got more criticism from the right than from the left. some people pointed out shades of galileo, which the church has no expertise in science and should not settle scientific matters. he had knowledge is this. he says are many concrete questions that the church has a reason to offer a definitive

opinion, but he is concerned that the lack of clarity should become an excuse for are doing nothing. theave to choose to treat environment one way or another and we have to make those decisions with the best information available. our actionact, should be guided by the same principles that he invokes to govern the economy. he says that environmental action cannot come at the expense of the poor or future generations. his most significant point is that environmental debate is not a scientific prerogative. scientists should measure temperatures, fo predicts trends, and so on. a more prospective and that is what he offered. i close on a few words about the oe authority of the statements he is making. all,irst is that we should especially catholics, pay respectful attention to what he

is saying. some conservative catholics responding to the post comments on the economy and the environment somewhat nancy pelosi responding to the church's teaching on abortion and marriage. they say the pope ought to lead scientist assigns and economics to business people and stick to theology. but this has not been the church's understanding of her responsibility. hop is not a spiritual bby. there is a long tradition of papal thesis on economics. 13thing quote pope leo the who wrote about the institution of private property and labor unionizing bargaining collectives. that is the first point. he does have something to say and it is worth listening to. i want to add a note of care or caution, maybe because i'm a lawyer, but attentive to these kinds of things. teachics are expected to

and treat church teaching as authoritative, but authorities is a conflict thing. not every statement that it pope makes for example is to be treated as infallible. the doctrine of papal ility is something like the court uses in interpreting statutes. the rule is that the pope speaks someolidly when he quotes definitive fact when speaking about faith and morals. you must make perfectly clear his intention to speak infallibly and otherwise it is not that kind of statement. not to say that we can cast aside of the rest of them. there are many documents with different weights of authority. for example, there was a big rush of news stories announcing changes in the moment process for failed marriages. in may, the pope published in

encyclical on the averment. this carries more weight in what is called an apostolic wasrtation and authoritative still are the homilies that the pope gives on scripture readings at mass. beneath that and maybe far beneath that are the chats that he has on airplanes with reporters. [laughter] and frances makes clear that his recommendations are not intended to have infallible force. here is what he says. nor the churche has a monopoly on the interpretation of social realities and impose solutions on could separate problems. it is difficult for us to put forward a solution that has universal validity. this is not our ambition nor is it our mission. it is up to christian communities to analyze with objectivity the situation which is proper to their own country. americans are the most intellectually imperialistic of cultures and we always imagine

that the pope is speaking to us. forget it. ofare just a small fraction the church's population around the world. there are other countries that need to listen even more attentively then we do. let me add one thing about authoritativeness. ofs is the authoritativeness papal teachings very on subject matter. this is an idea that is familiar to lawyers. in court has up ultimate authority to interpret the federal constitution, but as every first-year law student the court has no such authority in matters of state law. so it is with the church, whose jurisdiction is limited to matters of faith and morals. it is not to say the economy environment do not have implications in those, but pope urban's teaching on astronomy deserve less respect than galilee is. within the domain of faith and morals, there is a spectrum of issues. castnot mean we should

this aside, but there are things revealed in the gospel message as the canon lawyers say like jesus is god. these are the primary objects of the church's magisterium. there are things that haven't taught-- have been always and everywhere like the evil of certain sins and you know what they are. and then there are other things to which the church speaks with diminishing degrees of authority, recognition, like church council is ecumenical. i do not need to say that we need to discount all this. only that this is a really complex matter in the ways that many moral and legal questions are and do not put too much stock into what the pope said on an airplane. so, thanks very much. [applause] >> thank you very much. our next speaker's michael sean

winters, who writes an award catholiclog distinctly and a national catholic reporter. he is also the u.s. correspondent for the tablet, london-based catholic weekly. he is the author of "left at the democrats lost the catholics and how catholics can save the democrats." at then existing fellow institute for catholic studies. please help me welcome mr. winters. [applause] michael: i also have never been to cato before and did not get to start a talk with latin, but i thought i would do so with perhaps his most famous line. [speaks latin]

destroyed."st be if we replace the word carthage with free market ideology, you can imagine pope francis using this most famous line. usually post do not use such language as the verb to destroy. perhaps you could say that the pope would say that free market ideology needs to be repealed or replaced, but in any event, we do not have to speculate about what he has said, and we can look at what he has said. i'm borrowing some of the same quotes that is a guarded. this economy kills. some people continue to defend thatle-down theory it will in a globally succeed in bringing about better justice and inclusiveness in the world. this opinion which has never been confirmed by the facts in those naive trust wielding eno