senator rubio: i haven't thought about that in depth so i can't give you a great answer. i haven't thought about it. as we move forward in this conversation about innovation and these sorts of services, these are the issues we will have to work through. any economic transformation involves significant disruption, whether to the work force or issues like you have raised and we'll have to work through these. you cannot stand in the way of it and say he are going to try to go back to the way the things were. that is an impossible task and counterproductive one. doesn't mean it's going to be seamless. i'm sure we can work through many of these, but we have no choice but to do so. this is the u.s. economy and only going to change faster than ever and we need to adjust to it quickly.

host: just discovered a new way to think about terms of service. senator rubio: absolutely. so is your refrigerator working now? senator rubio: i bought a new one. host: i have a situation, he said keep the old one and we'll send you a new one, no questions asked. senator rubio: that should have been the refrigerator i should have bought. host: thank our senator for joining us this morning. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] announcer: now i discussion on the residence of campaigns in iowa and new hampshire from this morning's "washington journal." this is just under an hour.

of the 2016 presidential race right now. we're talking to to reporters in new hampshire and in iowa. we speaking with jennifer jacobs, the chief politics reporter at "the des moines register." we are also speaking to dan t tuohy. jennifer jacobs, i will start with you. can you give us a sense of what is going on on the ground in iowa? guest: on the democratic side, hillary clinton still has the lead. there's no doubt about it. bernie sanders, of course, back in january of this year, only had 5% support. in i left i will pull, quite a bit. hillary clinton dropped below 50% to 37%. she still has the lead in iowa. bernie sanders has been

attracting these huge rockstar crowds. hillary clinton, i think, is trying to capture a little bit of that excitement. she has katy perry coming to campaign for her and iowa. -- in iowa. host: i did not know she is political at all. guest: indeed. on the republican side, it is still trump. people have been predicting his death in the race, but it is not happening. his high water mark was 16 points above his nearest rival, now he is only five points above ben carson. those two are pretty tight. everyone else seems to be second tier you have carly fiorina, and a club of people who have little experience below them. throw the samell question to you. to has the momentum in new hampshire? is the line of the same --

line-up the same? guest: it is, to a degree. donald trump still has the lead in new hampshire. the outsiders, whether it is ben carson, carly fiorina, are making a strong play. all the democratic side, you have hillary clinton and bernie sanders going head-to-head. bernie sanders, like iowa, has great crowds, and there is a great grassroots appeal to him. hillary clinton won the new hampshire primaries in 2008, and has a lot of friends in new hampshire. bit of background and logistics for our viewers, can you explain the difference between a caucus, a primary, and how that will work? jennifer, you first, can you inflate how the process works in your state? guest: sure. on the gop side, it is pretty straightforward.

people get together in the neighborhood and cast ballots. they listen to speeches, and cast their vote on a little piece of paper, and drop it in a bucket, or something like that. they are counted in a very public way. on the democratic side, it is much different. it is kind of like a sporting activity. people are all standing in one room, like a school gymnasium, and try to recruit supporters from one candidate. it is a lot of cheering, excitement, persuading. you have to take a very public stance. it also takes time. in iowa is time-consuming. again, you have to listen to the speeches, get up, that's a silly in these events. some people are intimidated by that. candidates have a hard time getting people to come to the caucuses because it is not just a private voting booth experience. host: in new hampshire, how does the primary experience work there? is a primaryy

election. we have democrats, republicans, and independent voters go into a right now it -- looks like february 9 is the primary day in new hampshire. republicans will pick a republican ballot, democrats, a ballot. these independent voters can really make a difference on primary day. that is why people talk about new hampshire being so unpredictable. right now, we don't know where some of these independent voters -- maybe for donald trump, you name it, or vote for bernie sanders, clinton, martin o'malley, jim webb. we want you to join in on the conversation. you can call in with your thoughts, questions, or comments. republicans co can dial (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000.

independents, (202) 745-8002. we also have a social life for people who live in new hampshire iowa, you can call us at (202) 748-8003. we are on social media. you can send us a tweet, @cspanwj. you can leave us a comment on facebook, facebook.com/cspan. or, send us an e-mail, journal@c-span.org. we are talking with dan tuohy and jennifer jacobs. strongo has established ground operations in new hampshire? on the ground, in new hampshire, who has a strong operation? guest: well, there are several campaigns that are really doing of new hampshire's 10 counties. to start with the democrats first, hillary clinton just opened up her office in new hampshire, which was pretty notable.

not to be outdone, bernie sanders house, i believe, nine offices in new hampshire. i have not done the latest after both comparison, but they have quite a lot of staff and volunteers. they are going from the canadian border to the massachusetts border. it is interesting to see how they are doing it. martin o'malley is still trying to make a push. he is playing the long game, of course, and tried to remain upbeat. jim webb, he has not been in new hampshire oh whole lot, but will be at a convention on monday. there will be a lifestream, i believe, from las vegas. rewriting thes script, if you will, here in new hampshire, like everywhere else. he speaks to some very large rallies. he comes in, speaks at al large menu, and flies out.

christie just held the 29th, i believe it was, town hall meeting. in ae pataki is going all new hampshire. lindsey graham as well. those gentlemen are trying to fight their way into the middle of the pack, or the top-tier. it is a classic 2016 story. good luck. there is somebody viable candidates and well-known candidates. kasich, he is doing quite well. he has a bus tour that he began on friday. he will continue that this upcoming week. host: it is throughout new hampshire? guest: correct. host: jennifer jacobs, how about you? what you thing as far as ground operations in iowa? guest: hillary clinton has everybody beats. .hey have a masterful team they have been working really hard for a long time. for example, for the first of a gutted to be on tuesday, hillary

clinton's campaign has organized in0 watch parties and iowa -- iowa. martin o'malley is trying hard. he is working very hard. good team. a on the gop side, ben carson seems to be the most organized. his campaign site is organizing like crazy. then, you have carly fiorina, who is not doing any organizing herself. she's completely a being that up to her super pac, who she cannot communicate with. then you have jeb bush. they have a precision team. it will bring in many people in the last few weeks before the caucuses. then, you have donald trump. everyone flocks to him. they don't want to do a whole lot to get people flooding into their offices, and wanting to fill out caucus cards for them. then, you have mike huckabee, who is very experienced with the

caucuses. he won our caucus in 2008, so he knows what he is doing too. i would have to say, ben carson on the republican side, and hillary clinton on the democratic side. host: james, democratic line. go ahead. yes, ben carson, he is an african-american. every year,ally -- in the presidential race, if you are a black man, and get up there and criticize your own it,, white people will use just for the simple fact that he can get up there -- what then carson does not realize, white people look at him -- he is jus. he speaks about how he came up -- i'm pretty sure his mother was on welfare. he was not rich starting out in

detroit. he was on social security. his mother was on social security. now they want to pull this letter of so other people -- now they want to pull this latteaddr up so other people can get to it. writtenknow you have about this. how do people in iowa see him? they see him as very inspiring. they love that rags to riches story. they are very moved by his personal story and they think he is very intelligent. they also like that he is very soft-spoken and thoughtful. obviously the iowa caucuses are made up of a lot of white voters and he is very appealing to them. host: dan tuohy, what do you see as the demographic coalition that might be supporting ben

carson? he has that outsider label as well. he has a certain star power. major star power. when he shows up in new hampshire, i have been to a few events where they don't realize he is in the room and their expressions are priceless when they realize it. he is like a rock star. he has that going for him and his message is a great rags to riches story. he's an outsider to washington. never held elected office. this year, i think people are really looking for something like that. someone who is not in d.c. or part of the establishment. your thoughtswith and comments. republicans call (202) 748-8001. democrats (202) 748-8000. (202) 748-8002. there is a special line for

those who live in new hampshire or iowa. .hat is (202) 748-8003 let's talk about advertisement and spending. the omaha world herald had the story about jeb bush. even though he is lagging in the polls, he is spending big on campaign ads. the super pac supporting him is spending 1.9 million dollars in iowa, new hampshire, and south carolina. the next highest fundraiser was the conservative solutions project, which backs senator marco rubio and they spent $700,000 in three states. places currently in fifth at a .4%. t 8.4%.

are you guys already being inundated with tv ads? guest: we just have a few candidates on the air and it is a bunch of super pac's right now. onepro-bush super pac has that says he wants to disrupt the old ways in washington. and there is one for marco rubio. bobby jindal's super pac is promoting him as well as martin o'malley's. hillary clinton's campaign is running ads nonstop in iowa. is about thewa ad gop congressman kevin mccarthy admitting that the benghazi committee hearings or political -- were political. so she is pointing out, the republicans kind of invented these committee meetings just to hurt me in this political race.

tuohy, has the upheaval in the republican party here in washington and the fight over who will be speaker of the house having any impact on the ground in new hampshire? are ordinary voters paying attention to the? guest: i think to a degree. it lends to the narrative that washington is a dysfunctional mess. and that is what some of the outsider candidates are running on. whether it is donald trump or ben carson or carly fiorina. even the sitting governors are pointing out -- chris christie was in new hampshire this past week. he was the first candidate here who i heard talk about this game of thrones down in d.c. with mccarthy out and who is the leader of the house. it's one of those things -- chris christie of course is a sitting governor. he's trying to tap into that

distrust or anger with the establishment in washington. he was using that to court a great deal. as he pointed out, no one cares about these games. but he is still trying to use it as a mallet to win over some voters here. texas is on from the republican line. go ahead. at the i was stunned black conservative from the last call. i used to be a democrat. i even voted for president obama wants. we have inremise this country about destroying african-americans because they don't vote democratic is strange to me. that's what brings me to bernie sanders. i don't understand the appeal of bernie sanders. he is not an outsider. i hear a lot of pundits talk about -- he has the same appeal as donald trump. but i don't see that. i perceive them as being president obama 2.0. a bunch of promises that he

can't deliver. he talks about the banks -- big banks. he talks about free college tuition. the cost of college is constantly going up and he doesn't talk about bringing the cost down. he talks about giving everyone free tuition. we understand that you are not a supporter of bernie sanders. who do you support in this race so far? caller: i admire ben carson. but it will probably be john kasich or marco rubio when it's all over. that's who i wil believe will be the republican nominee. host: dan tuohy, what do you think? i think a lot of people are looking -- it is still early. let's face it. 24/7. all in this toy fo

democrats, bernie sanders -- some of his methods -- people may not like it or be critical of it or curious of it. but he has been running on some of these messages for 25 years. that is what he is trying to hammer home. on tuesday in the first democratic presidential debate, you will hear bernie sanders say something similar to this -- that he is not new to these issues, whether it is a labor deal or a trade deal. he has been on this issue from the get-go or from 1991. this analysis of the upcoming democratic presidential debate. several decades in the making for both candidates. a review of mr. sanders's campaign debates shows that his message hasquality remained strikingly unchanged

and reveals a competitive, highly confident debating style. he conveys a palpable sense of conviction and outrage. from the desbs moines, what do you expect to see out of this debate? bernie sanders is famous for getting on the stump and thundering away about financial issues. and that works for him. me assome democrats tell i was writing a preview of the debate -- they are wondering if bernie will just continue with a dry, policy heavy focus. or if he will be more deft and give punchy lines. which are more important in a debate. is kind of shaping up to be two debates in one. hillary and bernie sanders will go at each other on policy issues. they have been very good about

not attacking each other on a personal basis. the second one will be those lower polling candidates really trying to be heard -- probably by making some jabs at the two front runners. color on the democratic line. go ahead. -- caller on the democratic line. go ahead. the reason i am not a black republican is a very wise congressman out of michigan -- democrat -- his name is slipping my mind this morning. i can't think of his name for anything. he made a statement. he said the reason he is not a republican is because he got in a long line guest. any black person that wants to get in the republican party can get in the short line to power and influence in the party itself. lineg to be in the long

means that you are taking in all kinds of people. all kinds of people are welcome in the democratic party. and everybody knows everybody is not welcome in the republican party. you get one black person to stand up there like they did last time with the cookie maker -- whoever he was. i need some help. i can't think of the guys name. host: herman cain. caller: herman cain. that is right. what is that guys name out of michigan? i can't think of his name. that's all i wanted to say. thoughts?tuohy, any guest: it is still early. these campaigns are getting going. whether it is donald trump or ben carson or hillary clinton, the key here is the campaigns are really trying to make the most use of their time. the numbers come in and they are

trying to keep up. that is one of bernie sanders's challenges. fromt all of his support donations. to make the most of it and reach out to prospective voters. you see that with donald trump. there is still quite a buzz about him. on aer people will show up cold february day and cast a ballot for him is one thing. but they want to hear what he has to say. next caller is anthony from north carolina on the independent line. go ahead. caller: good morning. challenge the guests this morning to comment on one thing about the presidents club. it is a book. i highly recommend that to anyone before they vote this year.

the significance of where i am going with this is -- look at the history of republican candidates who have won the presidency and democrats. republicans over the last 25 or 30 years have had two or three or four rounds. primaries -- every four years before they could even get themselves positioned to be a president. democrats have been -- president carter, president clinton, president obama, they have been successful in getting it done on their first drive. try. there is a song out there about one day we will all be free. when you reach the highest office, you know things that no one in this world will ever know. and that's in the presidents club book. sets therue presidents

ideas of his citizens free so that the people who live in america and to come to this america and who aspire to be residents are contributing in some way to this nation understand that america is what -- every third world nation -- host: ok anthony. any response to the caller? guest: it sounds like he is talking about some of these outsiders possibly coming in and making a stop at the white house and winning on the first try. i'm not sure it is that easy. hillary clinton did very well in the debates in 2008 and she had a disappointing finish in iowa of obama.great rise side, this mess in congress with the speaker

vote has some of our republicans in iowa really excited at the thought that they are putting their foot down and saying, we need to advance our conservative message, we need to stand up to the president. but other people are worried, saying we need someone in the white house who has political experience, who at least knows the basics. someone who has experience in executive office. they calls that between the non-politician and the politician. but if you look at the polling in iowa, it is still less than half on the democratic side and the gop side that want that outsider. it is not a majority for either side. donald trump was on the stump on thursday in las vegas reacting to the news that kevin mccarthy was pulling out of the race for house speaker. here's what he said. just start by

saying -- you know kevin mccarthy is out. you know that, right? [applause] giving me a lot of credit for that because i said you really need somebody very very tough and very smart. smart goes with tough. i know tough people that are not smart. that is the worst. ok? that is the worst. you've got to be smart. we need the whole package. like me, thank you. i like that. i like this guy. it is bedlam in washington right now. bedlam. it is a mess. i've never seen anything like it. i've always been in politics. for three months i have been a politician. can you believe it? it is so embarrassing. i never wanted to be a politician. but at some point, i said we are going to make our country great again. and we're going to do it. [applause] but kevin is a nice guy.

and i just hope now that they find somebody that is going to -- have those qualities. where we can negotiate, we can use the debt ceiling and do something really really significant. because if we don't, we are going to be in very big trouble. we are going to be in very very big trouble. we are in a big fat youthful bubble right now. you watch. i predicted the last couple. we have to our act together or we are going to be greece on steroids. that is what's going to happen. wrong --'s nothing there's nothing wrong with the republicans taking a tough stance and sticking with it. host: dan tuohy from the union leader in new hampshire. we got a little bit of a sense of donald trump's style. do you think 2016 is the year of the outsider? guest: so far it seems to be. john kasich is a sitting

two-term governor and a congressman for 18 years. he has talked to out how people want somebody who can fly the plane and also land the plane. that theme is there. it has always been there to a degree. christie mentioned the speaker's race. donald trump was hammering away there. a lot of people in new hampshire are busy working people. they have a lot of obligations. people areentage of probably wondering, who the heck is kevin mccarthy? or any of the other people seeking that leadership role. it is a very important debate, but it is outside the realm of what is in front of a lot of people day today here in new hampshire. host: don from indiana on the republican line. go ahead. caller: good morning.

i have a question rather than a comment. by the time the primaries get around to a lot of the other states, the candidate list has been whittled down to people we don't really want as our candidate. why is it always iowa and new hampshire? why would it not be rotated to different states? host: jennifer jacobs, you go first. we hear that argument every year, every cycle. there is a lot of different reasons for it. iowa has a long tradition of testing candidates. our voters are very engaged. we have a lot of really good organizers here. iowans always say, if somebody else can do it better, proof why you could do it better. iowa has done a good job of testing candidates over the years and we are pretty

experienced at it. if somebody else wants to step forward and show why they would do it that are -- -- better guest: i also get the question a lot here in new hampshire. we have helped the first primary since 1920. -- we have held the first primary since 1920. we have a sophisticated electorate. it is also a level playing ground for candidates that may not have a lot of money but have a message. that is the quick answer. i know that comes up. the caller is right. if you live in the mid-land or the heartland, you wonder why iowa and new hampshire. that is the first takeaway here. dan is right about the inexpensive nature about being

able to campaign in iowa and new hampshire. it just doesn't cause very much money at all. so those candidates can make an impression. host: ken from south carolina is on the democratic line. go ahead. caller: hello. i'm an independent. on the independent line. sorry about that. i would like to apologize for dr. carson. i am a black man and a veteran. i think obama could be called that name. he hasn't done nothing. the supreme court nominees were a white woman and a hispanic woman. down there, the kids coming up from el salvador. louis farrakhan and the million

man march yesterday. -- hillary clinton would do anything to get elected. when she was the first lady of arkansas, she ran the state like a business. and benghazi, -- it doesn't matter. she said she can't read all the cables that come across are desperate and i don't know why black people are so fooled into thinking the democratic party cares about them. host: can you talk about hillary s?inton's number guest: what was the question? host: her performance in the polls.

race int's a very close new hampshire. bernie sanders had been in the lead. it's not a donald trump leap. d. her campaign is very well staffed and they know the state well. she won the new hampshire primary in 2008. just tuning in now. we have a long way to go to the new hampshire primary. she is not going to look at one or two polls. for my paper, we don't look at polls all that much at this time of the year. the sample size and the margin of error -- it is one of those things like there is a poll every other day. we should let the voters weigh the candidates and see who they like. lamarr from baltimore is

on the line. caller: good morning. yesterday i registered as a libertarian for the state of maryland. i hope others will go out there and register before they make a big mistake. how some talk about people are more focused on the constituents that support these candidates and do their research instead of race baiting. which some journalists would like people to do instead of pointing the blame at a person because of the color of their skin or their nationality -- they should look and see what they are trying to support and what agrees with that person and that's who they should vote for. not because of the size of someone's wallet. host: we will take another caller. carl from georgia on the republican line. go ahead. caller: good morning.

i would like to ask your guests. ground --eard on the because down here in georgia, all we get is news because they spend most of the time in your area. have you heard the candidates that ourt the aid country gives to all these other countries? i will use an example. mr. trump was talking about mexico building the wall. why don't we use that as a means of communication by saying -- we will take away the billions of dollars that we give to mexico if they don't build the wall? have you been hearing the candidates on the ground discussing aid to other countries? thank you. rand paul used to talk about that on the campaign trail. talking to that libertarian base about wanting to have government

step back from all of this tampering with other countries. he talked about wanting to scale back u.s. aid to foreign countries. he doesn't talk about that so much anymore. muchrdly campaigns in iowa anymore now that he has dropped quite a bit in the polls. this is a national security year. especially on the gop side. everyone is very worried about national security and defense. messaget necessarily a that they want to hear about the or. scaling back aid activities in other countries. host: dan tuohy, what is your take? paul was in new hampshire on friday for the republican liberty caucus convention. he did talk about this in his remarks. activistsut 800 gathered in nashua. he has said it before. i'm sure he said at one point in iowa as well.

that is basically that these orntries that "hate america" want to persecute christians, why in the world is the u.s. giving them money? it is a big applause line for him. there are candidates on the republican side bringing this up. i'm sure ted cruz has talked about it as well. host: let's talk about a name that no one has mentioned yet. joe biden. is there any sense that there is momentum around his campaign or any hope on the part of democrats in your states that he might enter the race? jennifer jacobs. to be it is going interesting in the debate on tuesday. he will be a presence in that debate even if he is not on stage. is waiting very much to see if he is going to get in and reshuffle the whole race. there is some interest in iowa. whether it is enough to beat hillary clinton is a big

question mark. it doesn't look like that from the polling so far. candidates don't tend to pull very well when they are not actually official candidates. if he jumped in, it could change. there is some interest but it is not overwhelming. host: dan tuohy, do you think he stands a chance? guest: he does have some supporters here in new hampshire. at this point it looks like he is going to wait until after the debate to make an announcement one way or the other. news release from the biden people about a week ago. state representative came out supporting him. they framed it like he was already in the race. looking for ane alternative. biden cangree joe

make inroads in new hampshire -- i don't know. martin o'malley is having a heck of a time trying to keep up with bernie sanders and hillary clinton. if joe biden were to enter the race, who would he take votes from? hillary clinton, bernie sanders, possibly both? it is a dynamic that will be very compelling to analyze. host: our next color is bridget on the democratic line -- our next caller is bridget on the democratic line. whoer: i don't give a d going to be the president. the thing is, black people -- we ain't going nowhere. --don't care what republican y'all try to throw up in there. we don't care about none of that. i'm trying to get a president up in their know how to run the world and the country. not a clown trump.

that clown when all the way around the world on a plane. so did clinton. clinton know everything. she try and keep her in there. host: let's take another caller. richard is our next caller on the democratic line. caller: the question i would like to know is -- who was supposed to fund the money for mrs. clinton to appropriate soldiers protection for the man in benghazi? was it supposed to be out of her pocket or was congress supposed to appropriate the money for that? and what is the number of the bill that provides the information for the people? you: jennifer jacobs, do have any thoughts on how the benghazi episode is affecting hillary clinton's chances? guest: we don't hear very much

about it in iowa at all from either side. used to hear about it pretty early on from carly fiorina. she used to really hammer on hillary clinton about benghazi. it has kind of fallen off the radar a little bit. it will pick back up as these hearings begin. certainly the democrats are trying to decide who to vote for and it is not something they are very concerned about. dan tuohy, what do you see is the most motivating issues for voters in new hampshire? as a couple of colors have mentioned, people want more jobs, more economic equality. have mentioned, people want more jobs, more economic equality. racial justice. tax reform. core issue is immigration reform. democrats are looking at support for people to go to college and

not be settled by high debt. national security is an issue that never gets old. that you havee met with marco rubio over the past week. sense ofive us your where he is at in terms of the he also came out with a pretty aggressive tax reform plan. how is that playing out? guest: he is still making the pitch like all of the men and women. he hasn't been in new hampshire as much as other candidates. i sat down with him and my publisher to ask him what his tion in newc hampshire is. voters are just turning to pay attention. he will be back in new hampshire a lot.

he is focused on tax reform. he was hammering away on syria as well. he is well known among republicans. he needs to introduce himself to new hampshire voters and that is what he is doing. it is not a quick process. jennifer jacobs, here is another name we haven't mentioned. larry lessig. doesn'tmentor says, he have a lot of money. what does i will think of him? -- what does iowa think of him? guest: he just started campaigning. he is that harvard law professor. he is trying to run on a single issue campaign. he is trying to reform campaign finance. he has been having a lot of trouble gaining any traction. he can't get onto the debate stage. he hasn't made a dent in iowa. he is on tv with some advertising.

would will be anything unique about it, you recall candidate was -- the republican debate had a large number of candidates. is anything special about tuesday's debate? i know democrats and i am what will be looking for the moderators to make it a true debate, not just a chance to grill hillary clinton on live tv. both democrats i talked to today said they would be very frustrated if it was focused on hillary clinton. i hear the narrative down to just two hours so that is probably the -- i hear they narrowed it down to just two hours so that probably is the biggest news. about the guests gave a poor inadequate answer to why really inadequate answer to why iowa and new hampshire should votrs