wain: let me bring this back to the transportation bill. if the hardliners will not lower the dividends, and won't raise the gasoline tax, what is the prognosis? >> the current policy expires next week but the dot has said that they will probably have enough funding to keep it going until early next spring. but with increased attention to the funding front, the dot could coast along until next year, one congress will have to revisit it. >> so could they find the money later on? >> well it is basically moving the day. they are just reauthorizing the policy, they are not dealing with the funding. hasn't attracted the same kind of fireworks as when they move a funding bill.

>> it sounds like from both of you the next six weeks is like the next six weeks we just finished. a lot of interparty wrangling with republicans? >> minority leader pelosi has repeated every chance she has a calendar of chaos. >> thank you both for being on newsmakers. >> tonight on "q&a," "new york times" political reporter amy chozick compares what it is like now compared to 2008. >> i was a lot younger. i was not a traveling person i was not in a senior role. i got to know the people who traveled with her and i felt like i got to know her pretty well because she would come back and talk to us. i didn't haveme

the same that i had now. whether that is a function of being in the times are in a more senior role. >> we have not seen a court overturn a law that was passed by congress, on an economic issue like health care, since lochner. >> the case in lochner is whether majority rule can take away your life and liberty without due process, and the court ruled no. i think it is a wonderful decision. >> this week, we look at lochner v. new york. in 19 80 -- 1895 they pass the bake shop act, restricting the

working dave to 10 hours per day. joseph lochner violated the law and was fined $50. refusing to pay, he took his case all the way to the supreme court. is one of thet most controversial decisions in supreme court history. randy barnett at georgetown university law center and author of the book, "restoring the lost constitution." and paul kens. landmark cases, live monday at 9:00 p.m. et. >> all campaign long, c-span takes you on the road to the white house. unfiltered access to the candidates at town hall meetings, news conferences, rallies and speeches.

every campaign event we cover is available on our website at c-span.org. >> carly fiorina hosted the town hall meeting in buford, south carolina, or she talked about foreign policy, the economy and investment issues. thank you, so much. it is great to be back here in south carolina. shannon, thank you for that wonderful introduction and thank you children for the pledge of allegiance that you did so well. how many of you watched the benghazi hearings? course, hillary clinton

continues not to answer the fundamental question, which is, since she clearly knew this was a purposeful terror attack on the night it was going on, why did she get up the next day and address the american people and talk about a videotape that did not represent our values and why did she continue to talk about that for many days and weeks to come. as admirable a job as mr. trey gowdy has done, it is clear that mrs. clinton will not be held accountable until she has a nominee who is willing to hold her to account during a general election debate.

now, maybe some of you have not quite decided whether you are ready to support me or not, but everyone of you i know cannot wait to see me debate hillary clinton. there is only one way that will happen. do occasionally feel a certain amount of empathy for hillary clinton, because there are things that are different about running for president as a woman. for example, early on in my campaign, i was asked on a saturday morning television show whether i thought that a woman's hormones prevented her from serving in the oval office. thinkwer was, gee, can we of a single instance in which a

man's judgment might have been clouded by his hormones? [laughter] [applause] are many differences between hillary clinton and i. one of the main ones is this. i will never ask for your vote because i am a woman. though i am proud to be one. andll ask for your votes your prayers because i believe i am the most qualified candidate to win this job, and to do this job. [applause] my candidacy in may, nobody gave me a chance. most voters had never heard of me, i never held elected office. i reminded george stephanopoulos this morning, i was on his show the day that i announced. during the august 6 rate i was not even on the main stage.

in september. i had to fight my way onto the stage and shannon helped me with that tremendously as did all of you. in the debate next week, i am number four bang. i am feeling pretty good. we have come a long way. is, i am still introducing myself to the american people. it is still true that during that debate, 40% of republican voters don't know who i am and still don't know that i am running for president. so allow me to take a moment to introduce myself to you. when i was a little girl, i was in church on a sunday morning, my mother was my sunday school teacher that year. she looked at me and said to my

sunday school class, what you are is god's gift to you, what you make of yourself is your gift to god. those words have stayed with me all my life, perhaps because of that little girl or a young woman, i do not feel gifted and her words were a promise that i had gifts and a challenge to find and use those gifts. i would learn conservatism at my dad's knee. i enjoyed my father and i would watch and watch the news every night when he came home from work. i would watch and yell at walter cronkite. -- i would watch him yell at walter can't cut and i would ask why and he would explain. the next morning, i would watch a meal at "the new york times." i would ask him why. from my mother and father, i learned there is not substitute for hard work with dignity and hard work if it is some of excellence and the family brings

purpose to our lives and faith brings meaning to our lives. values are what guide your behavior when no one is looking and you don't think anyone will find out. in the end, your reputation and integrity are the most precious assets you have. fast forward, i would start my career in the middle of a deep recession, typing and filing an answering the phones were a nine person real estate firm. wendy, to make it up to my desk and they worked in that firm and they say, we have been watching you and we think you could do more than type and file. do you want to know what we do?

that was my introduction to business, literally. eventually, i would get an mba and go off to work and at&t as an entry-level salesperson. i started in washington, d.c., when at&t is to be the bell system, one million employees, some of you may remember. it was there that i met my husband, frank, about 34 years ago. we have been married over 30 years. he brought with him to little girls, tracy and lori, and they have been an enormous blessing to me for so many reasons, including that i was not able to have children of my own. today, we have two granddaughters, care and morgan. -- cara and morgan. frank and i have been very blessed. we have that good times and hard times. you heard from shannon that i battled cancer and the love of my family and power of my favorite solving through that, and my faith and my family saw us through the tough times of bearing lori, when she was taken by the demons of addiction. i have been all over the world. i have lived, worked, traveled all over the world. i am keenly aware that it is only in this nation that a young woman can start out the way i did, in the middle of a deep recession typing and filing, go on one day to become the chief executive of what we turned into

the largest technology company in the world. and run for the presidency of the united states. that is only possible here. [applause] and i think it is worth asking why. the why. the reason more things are possible here than anywhere else on earth. because i think it is forgetting the why that we go the wrong direction. and i think our nation is in a pivotal point. my mother was right. everybody has gifts. everyone has potential, far more than they realize. and yet, more things have been more possible for more people here because our founders knew what my mother taught me. our founders knew that everyone has potential, god-given gifts. and in this nation, you have a right -- it was quite a radical idea at the time -- a right to the fill your potential, the use your gift. it is what they meant when they said the right to life, liberty,

and the pursuit of happiness. and the really radical part of their idea, which founded a nation, was that this right to fulfill your potential -- to use your god-given gifts -- comes from god. they cannot be taken away by man or government. [applause] i started on the journey of considering running for president when iran into a man -- when i ran into a man after speech i had given -- when i ran into a man after speech i had given. he said, you know carly, we don't think of ourselves as a nation of limitless possibilities anymore. that really landed. because when we do not think of ourselves that way, we are losing the core of who we are. we used to know that if something were worth doing, we would figure out how to do it.

if it were hard to do, even better. we would pull together and get it done. we just knew that our children and grandchildren's lives were filled with great possibility. we doubt that now. the truth is we have reached the point where the possibility for americans -- the potential for this great nation -- are being crushed a government that has grown so big, so powerful, so costly, so complicated, so in apt -- so inept. and so corrupt in the political professional class that refuses to do anything about it. [applause] those are really harsh words, ladies and gentlemen. but they are what the majority of americans believe. americans are smart. as citizens, we know that something is wrong now. and we know that it is about much more than replacing a d with an r. the system is not working anymore.

75% of american people think the system is corrupt. 82% now think we have a professional political class that cares more about the protection of its own power, position, and privilege than getting anything done. and i agree. my fellow citizens, i think it is time to remember that we were intended to be a citizen government and to take our government back. [applause] and we need to take our government back because we have

festering problems that never gets solved. people talk a good game collection after collection, -- election after election, and never really gets better. we still are not caring for our veterans, those who have served us. how long have we been talking about tax reform? reducing the size of government? securing the border? how long have we been talking about holding people accountable? the truth is government has gotten bigger and more complicated, more powerful, more costly, more corrupt every year for 50 years. so you see, it is not just about an r for a d. it is about putting someone in the oval office who is not afraid to challenge the status quo, and who has a track record of producing results in solving problems. [applause] there are a lot of good people who work hard every day. some of them are politicians. politicians are bad people -- are not bad people necessarily, but a lot of politicians are managers, not leaders.

there is a big difference between managers and leaders. managers are people who do the best they can within the existing system. they never really challenge the status quo. they operate within the system, even if it is broken. and because they operate within

the system, instead of trying to fix the system, the kind of tinker around the edges of the problems. leaders are different people. they say i am not going to accept a system because it is broken. they understand that it is their job to challenge the status quo. a leader's highest calling always is service to others. it is always to unlock potential and others. and the only way that happens is to actually challenge the status quo, solve problems, produce results. the difference between management and leadership reminds me of something margaret thatcher once said. i admire her greatly. she once said at a pivotal point in that nation's history, "i am not content to manage the decline of a great nation." ladies and gentlemen, i think we have been managing the decline of this great nation for quite long enough. [applause] i am prepared, though. with your votes and your support and your prayers, to lead the resurgence of a great nation. [applause] it is worth thinking about, what is it we need to do? we know what we need to do. in order to get our economy growing again, we have to start thinking about small business. and quit protecting big business. the bigger and more powerful government gets, the more powerful the wealthy and well-connected get. it is called crony capitalism.

progressives want you to believe that the answer to crony capitalism is more a government but it is the problem with crony capitalism. [applause] we need to get our small businesses and entrepreneurs growing again. we need to quit tangling people's lives of the interdependence. and we have to encourage, indeed require, that people go to work. because dignity and purpose come from work. [applause] we have to reform the tax code, quit talking about it and do it. 73,000 pages to 3. three is about the limit any individual can understand. ask yourself the question. why is that important question -- quite unimportant? if something is so collocated that you do not understand it, -- why is that important? if something is so collocated that you do not understand it, what is the percentage you are getting taking advantage of? 100%. unless you have all the resources, you are getting

taking advantage of. we know that we actually have to know where your money is being spent. we have to go to some zero-based budgeting. would not that be helpful, to actually know? [applause] ask yourself, how is it possible that every year the federal government spends more money and yet never has enough money to do the important things. yesterday, yesterday, president obama vetoes the national defense authorization act. here is a dangerous time in our world, and basically what he says is, we do not have enough money. not for my priority. how is it that we always spend more money and never have enough? it is always spoken for. that is why we have to go to a

system where every single dollar has to be justified every single year. the only way you spend less overall and prioritize what you spend. [applause] we have to hold people accountable in government. no one is ever held accountable and government. not mrs. clinton, not be senior executives of the v.a. who permit over 300,000 veterans to die before they receive health care, not the people in the irs to target conservatives. no one is ever held to account. and we have to move to a system where there are consequences. [applause] and we also know we have to lead in the world. we have to get our economy growing again. we have to cut government down to size and hold it accountable, and we have to lead in the

world. which means that not only do we have to take care of our veterans, those who have served us, because when we do not care for them it is a stain on our honor. but it also means that people feel as though military service is no longer honored and valued. we have a have the strongest military on the planet. everybody has to know it. [applause] and we actually have to send a signal, a really powerful signal, to the world that the united states of america will lead again. [applause] and on day one in the oval office, i will make two phone calls. i will call netanyahu and tell him that we will stand with the state of israel. always. [applause]

and the second will be to the supreme leader of iran. who might not take my call. [laughter] but he will get my message. and the message is, new deal. new deal. [applause] until you open every military and every nuclear facility anytime to anywhere inspections, by our people, not yours, we will make it as difficult as possible for you to move money around the global financial system. we can do that. we don't need permission to do that. and we must do it. because the money, the money is being used to build military capability, nuclear technology, and to sew murder and mayhem throughout the middle east. with those two phone calls, the message will go out around the world loud and clear. the united states of america is back in the leadership business. [applause]

i am going to finish appear in a minute so i can take your questions. but let me close by saying this, ladies and gentlemen, we must win in 2016. [applause] so think carefully about who can win. i have been tested. and i will not falter, and i will not shrink from this fight, and it will be a fight. but we also have to have somebody to do the job. because the job needs doing now. and to do the job, it requires a leader to understand how the economy works. so we can get going again. [applause] we need a leader to understand how the world works, and who is in the world?

and what our allies and adversaries expect and need from us. that is what our government has become -- a giant, bloated, corrupt bureaucracy. we need someone who understands technology. because technology is a tool that can be used to reengage citizens once again. it is a tool i will use. but it is being used against us. and perhaps most importantly of all, we need someone who understands what leadership is. all of those many years ago when i was a receptionist, i thought the leader -- a leader -- was someone with a big office and a big parking space. a bunch of perks. and they got older and wiser, -- and i got older and wiser, and i realized there were people with big titles were not leading at all. leadership is not about those things. it is not about the size of your office, airplane, ego. it is about challenging the status quo. leadership -- [applause] leadership is about solving problems and producing results.

leadership is service to others. and the highest calling of leadership is to unlock potential and others. we now need a leader who will unlock the potential of every american and of this nation. thank you so very much ladies and gentlemen. [applause] questions? yes, sir. >> t leprechaun the today. -- thank you for coming here today. you mentioned crony capitalism. i know it is complicated.

[inaudible] -- the farming industry takes away. having been on the other side, i [inaudible] don't know with respect to, but how do you combat something like crony capitalism? and also, is it true that you support corporate welfare? carly fiorina: democrats are worse. we have done it, too. the question was about crony capitalism. i hope most of you could hear it. look, i understand really well. a nine person real estate firm

cannot handle the crushing load of government. a 90,000 strong technology industry can. my husband frank and i have been very fortunate. we can hire an accountant. my husband started out as a tow truck driver. family owned body shop cannot handle it. this is the truth we must tell the american people. because the progressives want the american people believe that it is they that care about the small and the power less. but in truth, the impact and consequence of every one of their policies is to crush the small and the powerless. why? because when you have some thing is big, complicated, yet to be -- you have to be big and powerful or wealthy and well-connected to deal with it. pick any progressive policy, the more complicated the tax code

gets, the more true it is. yes, republicans have been guilty of this. there are a lot of candidates running for president who support subsidies of various kinds. subsidies, tax credits. i don't. i have been very honest. i have gone to iowa and said i know it matters a lot to you to have renewable resources. you want a level playing field between ethanol and oil and gas, i support that level playing field. but by 2020, the government should be out of the business of setting prices, guaranteeing access to market. whether it is oil, gas, ethanol, sugar, this is not the government's role, so let's give everybody a window to get prepared. but the only way to level the playing field between small and powerless, and big and powerful, is to simplify government dramatically. simplify the tax code, hack through the regulatory thicket and get the government out of the business of picking winners and losers. and that applies to everybody.

carly fiorina: this is why challenging the status quo is hard. guess what happens when you decide you are going to go from a 73,000 tax page code to three? when you say the government should not be in the business of picking winners and losers? everybody that has benefited from that status quo rushes into protected. it is human nature. it is why change is always hard. there have been people who benefit from the status quo. carly fiorina: companies, politicians, special interests -- every single one of those groups will come in to protect what they have. which is why the power of citizenship is so important. ours was intended to be a