nothing can ever justify terrorism. today, i reaffirm my mr. president the evolving , nature of terrorism and violent extremism puts existing counterterrorism measures to the test. love primitively barbaric and brittle, today's terrorisst are out high-teching us. we find ourselves running against him behind the times. there can therefore be no room for complacency or business as usual in our responses. on the contrary, we need to take an honest look at the impact our actions have on the ground and rise of the task. this requires us to ensure cohesiveness in the machinery by mentality,end to the

and making all parts of the counterterrorism system, within and outside the united nations, to work as one, from assessment to assistance. delivering advice, and capacity building exactly where and when it is needed with maximum impact. as today's resolution reminds, attacking terrorism financing is a high priority. here a breakthrough is needed. no more piecemeal measures, but a comprehensive approach that , would bring into account increasing diversification and complexity of the sources and channels of financing, as well as the linkages between terrorism and cross-border organized crime. furthermore, we have to find the right answers to the difficult questions regarding modern technologies and communications which brings huge improvement to our lives again have deadly effect in the wrong hands. -- but can have deadly effect in the wrong hands. we will have to deal with the questions of how much liberties and freedoms we are willing to sacrifice to ensure the safety and security in a way that does not support repression and oppressive regimes and does not give the satisfaction to the terrorists of having disrupted our lives.

we have to critically review our battle for the hearts of potential terrorists by setting -- stepping up the efforts to tackle the many recourses that push individuals into the hands of daesh butchers. as well as counterterrorism efforts. for this, we need to reinforce partnerships are required internationally, regionally and locally. for the voices of women coming youth and vulnerable groups are well heard and heeded. finally the importance of resolving the crisis could not be more urgent. we must restore hope to the syrian people. we cannot see the reserve -- regime at the daesh daesh cost of this crisis of the partner in against daesh. we hope this week that this really need a transition and full of limitation of the geneva -- implementation of the geneva communique of 2012. thank you. i think the representative lithuania from her statements. i give the floor to the representative of jordan.

>> thank you mr. president. allow me to renew our condolences to the government and people of france over the grotesque and cowardly terrorist acts that struck paris last week. also we pay homage to the victims of the bloody criminal terrorist acts that were committed recently in sinai, beirut, and libya. and today mali. these reprehensible terrorist crimes demonstrate beyond any doubt that these terrorists are seeking to destroy our common values of coextensive -- coexistence, and that war against terrorism has become a global war. that makes it imperative on us to be united. jordan welcomes the adoption of this resolution which jordan voted in its favor because it is

depicting the belief of jordan for the need to reinforce and coordinate international efforts in fighting the isis terrorist organizations. they wreak havoc and evil across the globe and are undeterred to demonstrate their reprehensible intentions towards humanity. degrading the capabilities of isis and other terrorist groups and defeating them requires action from all of us and response from desk commencement with the challenge. this requires international action and collective force at a serious fashion at all levels, , in all fronts, including the military, security, and intellectual fronts. in addition to suppression to the financing terrorism. therefore, we are satisfied the council adopted this resolution,

and this demonstrates the unity of the council in fighting isis and sends a powerful message to the terrorist organization and other terrorist groups. in closing, jordan will continue to combat terrorism in all possible means while working to enforce and coordinate international efforts confronting these terrorists. thank you. >> i think the representative of jordan for her statements, and give the floor to the representative of new zealand. >> thank you mr. president. the new zealand stands in solidarity victims, families, fellow citizens and governments that have suffered through the recent her and its attacks perpetrated by isil. we are today one week from the terrible events of paris, less than a day of those in bemaco. as others have noticed these are but two episodes in a bloody continuing story.

this counsel must speak in times of crisis. we are pleased today the council has sent a strong unified message for the shared result of -- to prevent and suppress the terrorist threat posed by isil and other terrorist in syria and iraq. in the face of isil's barbarity, and senseless killing, we are reminded of the important role of this counsel in uniting the international community around our shared commitment to peace and collective security. thank you. >> i thank the representative of new zealand for his statement and give the floor to the representative of chile. >> thank you very much sir. we value the resounding message transmitted by this counsel through the unanimous adoption of resolution 2239. terrorism is a criminal act and unjustifiable. the material, intellectual and financial office of these acts -- authors of these acts must be

prosecuted and brought to justice. all resolutions from this counsel should be applied, especially 2160, 2199, and the resolution we just adopted. combating terrorism is in keeping with the obligations under international law and united nations charter. likewise the international , community must contribute to identifying the causes and overcome these that simulates -- stimulate terrorism and violence. they cannot be overcome with military means. finally i'd like to point out , categorically that chile will continue supporting the global action against terrorism from the security council and all international multilateral bodies. thank you. >> i think the representative of -- thank the representative of and give the floor to the

representative of angola. >> thank you mr. president. angola voted in favor of resolution 2239 in the name of france. the terrorist attracts pretreated by isil, also known as daesh, in the expectation that this is an important step in the fight against terrorism and for the building of the indispensable global coalition , if we are to win this war against terrorism. we join the other members and condemn this terrorist movement, which is the resolution states , constitutes an unprecedented threat to international peace and security. we express our deep sympathy and condolences to the victims of this heinous crime recently committed by the terrorist and condolences to the families.

the complete eradication of isis haram and other terrorist groups designated by , the un security council is a top priority for the international community. international terrorism has been showing an extreme the dangerous -- extremely dangerous capacity of spreading its violent extremism and ideology through terrorist acts, systematic attacks against innocent civilians, and violations of human rights, intolerance and hatred, addressed to others for being different, on cultural and religious or ethnic grounds. the heinous crimes committed by isil or daesh include the eradication of cultural heritage and trafficking of cultural items and natural resources. and recruitment of terrorist

fighters on a scale of crimes rarely seen after the second world war. as things stand now mr. president, with the deadly danger of terrorism, it's a real menace to international peace and security into the very survival of some of the most concerned countries. it is high time for international community and the main international players to put aside the differences, national egotism and arrogance, and work decidedly to build a global coalition to fight and eradicate terrorism in all of its forms and manifestations as called by public international opinion. it is our hope that the adoption of resolution in the wake of this deadly concerted terrorism -- terrorist acts will be the materialization of a wake-up call for a radical change in attitudes by the world's main players. i thank you mr. president.

>> i thank the representative of angola for his statement. i give the floor to the representative from venezuela. >> we would like to take this opportunity to reiterate our condolences to the french people, to its citizens, and to the people and government of the countries that have suffered from the most recent strikes of terrorism. the russian plane, and now, the attack in mali. we would also like to feature -- pay tribute to the thousands of children who die in syria every day, especially due to the repugnant assassination of children in the hands of isis.

they refused to bend to these groups. mr. president, venezuela was entirely in favor of resolution 2249 due to its category rejection of terrorist acts in all of its forms and manifestations. regardless of the motivations, wherever they happen and by whomever they have been committed, any deliberate attack on international peace and security is unacceptable. terrorism is a flagrant violation of international law, including international humanitarian law and human rights. and it undermines the rights of life. in addressing it, it must be done without double standards. there are not good terrorists and bad terrorists. it is time to be consistent and our actions. -- in our actions. to take actions jointly that are coordinated and agreed to based on consensus.

and assume all responsibilities as members of this counsel with the mandate conferred upon us based on the principles of the united nations and international law. mr. president, the world is seen with perplexity how they are resorting to violence and terrorism by different societies, civilizations and religions and beliefs has now acquired many manifestations. but ultimately it continues to be the product which relate to -- of practices that relate to intolerance, extremism, sector ism, and very often geopolitical interests which are imposed over legitimate rights. as is needed in the africa and the middle east. we would reiterate that the terrorist act endangered not just territorial integrity but also political unity of states, as well as the security and stability both states and the

region and the international community. we are very alarmed to see the extraordinary military support and logistical support provided to the terrorist organizations such as isis. it's given them tremendous military capacity to develop and deploy indiscriminate violence, destabilize governments, break their constitutions, and moreover stopping economic and social the moment of their people, destroying institutions, and the capacity for response of state. mr. president, my delegation reiterates today more than ever the need to address the root causes that feed these phenomena and develop effective and innovative strategies to stop the terrorists and extremists

narrative and to stop radicalization and to achieve tangible results. not just in the short term but also in the long-term. this counsel must acted and more act in a more preventative manner and resolve of anticipation conflicts that might be unleashed in terrorism. the recent events have shown us that the vulnerability of terrorism and the phenomenon of foreign terrorist combatants is a global one today. that is why the role of the security council will be resoundingly important in this extraordinary threat, which is also unprecedented, and which is undermining the future of mankind. we must fully and completely adhere to the resolutions, especially with regard to financing, training and illicit transference of arms to terrorist groups. finally mr. president, my country is convinced that the fight against terrorism must be conducted in the context of international cooperation.

with binding international and regional instruments revealing in this area including , relevant security council resolutions and the norms of international law fully respecting human rights, fundamental freedoms and the rule of law. taking into account that otherwise we will be contributed to radicalization of individuals. we hope the actions taken through this resolution and the combat against terrorism will always be coordinated with a concerned countries and that no actor participating will have a distinct political agenda different from overcoming terrorism and supporting the negotiations process in the case of syria, with its people, government, and the countries in the region and at the international level who are supporting the efforts that we all hope will be successful.

thank you sir. >> i thank the representative of venezuela. i shall now make the statement in my capacity as a representative of the united kingdom. the united kingdom warmly welcomes the unanimous adoption of resolution 2249. today we sent a clear, unambiguous message that there will be no respite from our collective efforts to stop, suppress, and destroy isil. whether in the streets of paris or beirut or in the skies above the sinai, isil's brutality knows no bounds and respects no borders. their determination must be met by our greater resolve to defeat them wherever we find them. too many security council members here today and too many other u.n. member states have

experienced isil's callous disregard for life. our world community today shows that we shall not be deterred in our efforts to prevent such attacks from happening again. as my security council colleagues have said, this resolution is a powerful international recognition of the threat isil poses. it calls for lawful action, all necessary measures to counter isil. like others, the united kingdom has already taken action against isil on the basis of individual and collective self-defense as we have set out to this counsel. this counsel has put in place extensive obligations for states to take action against isil. to stop the travel of foreign terrorist fighters, and to choke off their funding. this resolution reminds us of these measures must be of

us -- must be implemented if the , international response to isil is to succeed. in conclusion, we stand in solidarity with the people of france and we commend france for its leadership on this resolution. as a security council president, we are proud the security council has acted with speed, unity and clarity of purpose to agree that this powerful call to action. i resume my function as president of the council. the meeting is adjourned. >> tonight, on cue and day. >> i am the first woman to reach the rank of four stars in the united states navy. i had only been a three-star,

thee 10, 11 months, when cnl is traveling through town, i was in norfolk and he asked to see me. i presume it was about the next job i was going to. that is when he talked to me about, we are looking at you for being a four-star. here's a couple of different es, where we think you would do well and benefit the navy. talks aboutoward becoming the first female four-star admiral in the history of the navy, and discusses her career prior to her current appointment, including leading the navy to rescue captain phillips from somali pirates in 2009. >> i became the head of the pipe -- counter piracy task force. two days on the job, captain kidnapped.s

it was our responsibility as a task force to get him back and get him back safely. that was obviously a surprising mission, and a challenge. we got him back. that is to nine, 8:00 eastern and pacific, on c-span's q and a. >> now, more on the events in paris and whether similar attacks could happen here in the u.s. from washington journal, this is 40 minutes. for $8.95 on c-span.org. >> "washington journal" continues. we want to welcome rick nelson, formerly of the national security council, one of the directors in the office of combating terrorism. thank you very much for being with us. we want to talk about soft targets. let me ask you to define what that is. guest: a soft target is any entity that a terrorist group can easily access. free, open,re in a

and democratic society, we have a lot of soft targets. soft targets are things we use every day like a mall, transport station, or stadium. host: brussels is essentially on lockdown for a second day in the assessingrities whether or not that will be lifted. what does that tell you about the threat that europe is facing an what we are facing in the u.s.? inst: what is happening europe is very different from the united states. veryituation in belgium is different. it woul has been a hotbed for terrorism. security forces are outnumbered in many ways. i thinkgence forces -- they are tracking about a hundred, and they have about

1000 in intelligence. the threat to europe is very different than the one we are facing in the united states. comey was asked about that. let me share what he said. [video clip] >> we are not aware of any threat here like a paris attack. out and its supporters put all sorts of propaganda like videos and nine scenes, but that is not credible intelligence. of course, we investigate all of those propaganda threats. focuses the threat here primarily on troubled souls and america who are being inspired or enabled online to do something violent for isil. be have stopped a lot of those people this year, especially leading up to july 4. there are others that we were covery about and

using our tools. what are we doing about the threat? taxpayers of this country have invested a lot of money in creating a national terrorism capability since 9/11. something veryd strong. we are not perfect, but we are good. starting minutes after the paris attacks on friday, we did for things here at first, we started looking for connections between paris and here. second, we made sure we were tightly connected with our partners, that they knew everything we knew, and were as energized as we were. that arehave made sure over 100 joint terrorism task onces are focused intensely investigations. that is very hard work, but we are very fortunate that we have the help of our local and state partners around the country. together, we are watching

people, using all of our lawful tools. if we see something, we will work to disrupt it. last, what should you, the people of the united states, do in response to this threat? the most important thing, do not let fear become disabling. that is what the terroris ists one. instead, we hope you turn fear into healthy awareness around you. if you see something, tell law enforcement. a newshe fbi director in conference. that is what he could say publicly. what else is happening that he could not talk about, and how does that compare to what is happening across europe? of what he cannot talk about is the intelligence relationships we have with our partners overseas, and the kind of information being exchanged

between the fbi, cia, and department of homeland security. in many ways, monday details of information sharing that would not be very interesting to the average person, but it is going on on a significant level. this is very different, what is happening in the united states, and what is happening in europe. one of the reasons europe is struggling to track these identify them is they do not have the same information sharing across europe. they are not bouncing their data likest watch lists interpol. when there is a hit from someone who crosses the border, sometimes all they get is a phone number to call and check on that individual. whereas, in the united states, system,a very robust

and ultimately, that is the difference between what is happening in europe and what is happening in the united states. host: our guest, a veteran of , one of administration the directors of the office of combating terrorism. our phone lines are open. (202) 748-8000 is the line for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. you can also send us a tweet at @cspanwj, or share your comments o online at facebook.com/cspan. thai square, a lot of attention for the thanksgiving parade, one of the traditions, and other soft targets. what was your reaction to the ice is linked video? guest: the threat is always real. as a free and open society, we will always be affordable. a specific attacks, i'm highly suspect about that.

they have a full-fledged advertising campaign, and it has been extremely effective, and it is important to their success. they will continue to put out videos like this, and and the date that airwaves to strike fear in our hearts and minds. the specific threat, i'm not very concerned about it. host: steve from illinois, independent line. steve. yes, my name is a muslim religion that started in saudi arabia in 1754, and the 9/11 attacks were all from saudi arabia. they were trained in afghanistan. we did not need to go into iraq. if we stop the oil flow from

saudi arabia, and ramped up our oil production in the united states, and we cut off the money machine in the whole middle east, it was stop a lot of the soft targets. economicstrengthen our way, and we could protect a lot of things over there. , and iraq,a and iran and syria, would not have these refugees flowing in there. we took down all the libya,rships in iraq, and controlled everything. host: thank you for the call. let me take one point of what he said, and that is the flow of money. has anerg" magazine

extensive piece on how isishow ? it is difficult because, how do you track all the money down? on the other hand, there are certain things that we can do and we have recently been doing. that a convoyut of fuel tankers was destroyed by airstrikes. these types of activities will certainly put isis in a bind where they would have to look for alternatives, but going after that is critical -- but not nearly as critical as getting them out of the territory they currently own as well as curtailing their media campaign. a number of leading intelligence experts point to arias around washington dc, including the building behind you, union station, as a potential target. can you elaborate? in a democracy we have two challenges. we have to protect our citizens

but we also have to protect the ideals and the basics of who we are as a society. we are going to continue always to have these so-called soft targets. we want to be able to go to union station and move about freely and not have a security state surrounding us. that would make us vulnerable. we don't want to over correct and go to the point where every time we enter a mall we have to have through a metal detector and we are under constant surveillance. that is not the kind of society we want to pursue. but at the same time it will at risk.as -- as the director pointed out, the forefront of those risks will be the first responders, or citizens like you and me in the street, seeing or saying something once only looks amiss, being aware of their surroundings. being on guard is the best thing reconnect the do. host: lake from alabama, republican line. good morning. i'm a little bit sick and tired of listening to her cap -- to saying that we have

been watching these people all over the country who have intentions to mow down and kill people who are going to the stadium to watch a game or sitting in a restaurant to eat something, or going to a concert. just watching and watching. and once they have killed as then they willn, have the machinery to do stupid things. i am just thinking as i am looking at this, this thing that happened in missouri recently with the tension over there, and i read there is a guy who made a comment online somewhere that he was intending to kill or do some harm to some black students and he was arrested immediately. within seconds. people, theseese

maniac muslims all over the world, including this country, they are declaring their intentions to kill non-muslims, and they are roaming around free , just waiting for them to kill us, and then we bring in the experts to mop up. this is insane. we will get a response. thank you for the call from alabama. guest: i think it is a little bit of an overstatement. and our lawence enforcement are actively pursuing all of these individuals. hours that itman takes to track an individual under 24-hour surveillance is something like 20 to 60 people. activelye actually -- monitoring and tracking those are the -- that are the greatest risk. the problem with this homegrown extremism is that individuals

who are susceptible to this radical ideology, they decide to cross that line from violent rhetoric to violent action, it is very difficult to determine. you can never know when someone is going to wake up in their basement and go out and pick up a gun and start killing hundreds of people. it is impossible to ask law-enforcement. you will lead intelligence to determine exactly when that is going to happen. but at the same time i think the number of attacks is had in the united states -- which is very few compared to what our european allies are experiencing -- is a testimony to what the fbi director pointed out about our efforts over the last 10 to 15 years. host: we had literally hundreds of comments over the last hour on our facebook page. i want to share one with you. says, werom bed, who need to let europe handle the ground troops. we we just went through 14 years of fighting. i don't want our troops to be in the middle east forever. so on that effort in terms of dealing with threats we face

here at home, your reaction? guest: again, we have to disaggregate the problem we're trying to deal with. we have to protect the homeland and i would argue we are doing a good job of that. the layers we have -- the layers of defense we have in place are very significant. the second issue which is touching upon is what are we going to do about the problem in the middle east, in the levant area where this is all unfolding ? we are seeing a catholic clash between sunni and shia islam, one week in the united states are never going to really understand. and on top of that you have the layer of regional conflicts, iran, saudi arabia, syria, turkey. on top of all that you have this rivalry between russia and the united states. so ultimately it is going to retire -- requires some ground activity to eradicate isis and remove them from their land. we are pretty good that.

it probably needs to be a u.n. operation, preferably with regional partners, saudi arabia, united arab emirates, turkey. a solo u.s. ground presence is not going to solve the problem. host: let's get scott from nevada, democrat line, good morning. caller: good morning. americans need to understand that in a free and open democratic society we are vulnerable that way. what we need to do as a country is to develop a policy that if we are attacked, if some idiot goes into a restaurant and sprays bullets all around, we do drone strikes over that area, but we do not need to send in ground troops in a war. are an obtuse sort of weapon.

in the surgical war that we are trying to fight what we do need to do is instruct the pentagon tostart recruiting people make up the special forces. that would be the way to fight these guys. game with anhess opponent that is very lethal, and this is not a game of waccamaw -- lacrimal -- whack-a-mole. once they cross over mentally they don't care, they just want to die. 40,000 weaponsve of mass destruction running around. host: thank you for the call. guest: there are some key points to what was stated there. 40,000, some estimates have been as high as 100,000 for the isis troops, robert you want to categorize them.

you want to be careful. putting the u.s. army in there is not going to get us where we need to be. at the same time, the key to that theyis caliphate are building from where they currently hold lands and currently exist, and removing them from that land is going to be necessary in order for us to ultimately see success in this region and to reduce the threat of isis. the question is who is going to do that? i would suggest that we continue to say -- they committed to the plan we have in place, and that is through our special forces providing the equipment and stewing it robustly. to your point, by utilizing our special forces more frequently. but ultimately, again, it is going to have come from greater involvement from those countries that are in the region and it cannot come from syria given that they are in a situation they are currently in.

it will have to be from the other partners, from saudi arabia, the united arab emirates, and even from iran. that is really hard for us to deal with that opposition. some of the things are going to have to do are not things that we are used to. tweet, soft this targets? in a free society everywhere you .o can be soft who wakes up saying don't go there were there. crazy. guest: she is exactly right. we have to protect our ideals. that is who we are and that is what the enemy, the adversary, want us to jeopardize. they want to take the things that make a special and take them from us. we have to resist that. but also we have to understand that there is going to be some risk of we go about our daily lives. the last few years unfortunately that risk is not just from extremists coming out of the middle east. it is from sometimes our own

citizens. the best thing we can do is just be prepared and be aware of our surroundings, be aware of anything that does not look right. soft targets is our topic on this sunday morning. rick nelson is our guest, he is one of the directors of the office of combating terrorism. we welcome our listeners on xmpan radio and on sirius channel 124. wanted to call -- are there refugees that are old enough to buy? we ought to train them and send them back and let them fight for their own country. , they get a one-year right to your citizenship. until theback

situation is strained out in their own country. -- other one is [indiscernible] the president of france, at least they had the guts to step them. face host: thank you, we will get a response. guest: one of the most disheartening things that has unfolded in the american dialog has been this issue of refugees. i think that trying to fix or address this refugee problem that has somehow been out in the public is absolutely the wrong thing to do. our refugee vetting process is the most rigorous process that anybody coming into the united through.es to -- goes

multiple checks are multiple agencies including the department of defense, the intelligence community, the state department. they go through a rigorous screening process. i think that curtailing the refugee process goes against some of our core ideals of who we are as a nation. terrorists, we'll -- we often say, are like electricity. they will go to the path of least resistance. one are not going to wait or two years to get into the united states when they can exploit other vehicles such as sneaking into the country or perhaps exploiting the visa reachingogram, or even out to u.s. citizens and radicalizing them online and having them committing the act of violence. saying, absente perfect intelligence, we don't know where they may strike. for me, life must go on. let's go to a caller from maryland, good morning.

caller: thank you for taking my call. winston churchill once said, people will only your -- flourish is good people refuse to do bad things. this has been premature over and over again. whether during the second world somalia, where i came from. , will this ever be stopped without american leadership? i don't think so. winston churchill said people will only flourish when good people refuse to do anything, he meant america. .merica is the good people if we refuse to do anything or take down this evil, this evil will flourish. host: appreciate the call. guest: i think we are in a

generational conflict. some people say this is jihad or al qaeda 2.0. we are still at 1.0, and this is the threat we are going to continue to phase in the coming years. this is something -- some of the terrorists we saw in the paris attacks were 10 or 11 years old when 9/11 happened. this is not a conflict that is going to go at -- go away anytime soon. again, i went back to the rift the rift between the she is in the cities, and there are regional alliances that we have out there. we will figure it out, that is going to take many decades. but there are a lot of good people in the world, and i think a lot of countries are trying to solve this problem. again, it is an extraordinarily competent problem. in this region you have not only the sunnis and the she is but you have the iranians, the syrians, the turks, the kurds. you have a melting pot of so many different religious and and securityounds

interests on an international level, finding a solution that everyone is going -- a solution for everyone is going to be very difficult and challenging. i would argue the point that the united states is not taking a leadership role. we certainly are, and we have to work with other partners such as , which is going to be adjusting. what i think isis may have miscalculated is with downing the russian plane they have now pulled russia into a different perspective. initially there were focused mainly on preserving the assad regime but now they have to take the isis threat during quickly. host: it is almost reminiscent of the two front war that hitler faced in world war ii. guest: you could go that far. it is unlikely that we'll find a solution without russia's support. if russia get started in on this that it might be that that is what takes for russia to say as over the longo go

term, because the beating isis is now a primary for both of us. that maybe what we need host:. host:host: this is a poll that was released just about a week ago from reuters saying that one third of americans are concerned about their safety and public venues, and most, specifically, concert at public rallies. 3% announcing that they are concerned. 40% announcing they are concerned. our next caller, kimberly, welcome to the program. caller: good morning. how are you guys? host: fine. caller: i had a comment and a question. i comment was since i have been watching when i can a lot of the hearings with congress and all that -- as far as the vetting process, the main concern is that most of these people do not have a record, it cannot even be traced, they don't really know. the fbi agrees with this. my question is, with all the terrorist attacks in things going on, are these other

countries -- most of us have the right to bear arms. i don't think any of us would let anybody stand up and just mass murder anyone if they can stop it. host: thank you. we will get a response. again, the iraqi population and the syrian population are some of the most documented people in that area. they actually do have passports. but you're right, there are a number of individuals that don't have any documentation. that is why it takes 18 to 24 months for someone to go through this screening process. the problem we're facing is that if refugees are not resettled they are stuck in these can't -- these tent camps with these people that do nothing but potentially produce more terrorism or extremist activity. these things don't solve problems. 11 million people have been displaced. that is the population of the country of sweden. that population has been

displaced and we in the international community have to figure out what we are going to do with them. if they remain in this kind of purgatory under the u.n. amber alert and don't get resettled in a way that is productive, that i think we are going to be facing a larger problem later on. host: scott is joining us from maine, our line for independents. go ahead. caller: hi. in reference to what this fellow was just saying about sweden being so big and whatnot, i remember vietnam, and that was no bigger than california. my point is, we don't need to be there. america needs to stop and ask itself, what are we doing there? we don't go to war anymore to win because there is no profit in winning. we go there to stretch it out and milk it for every dime's .orth if we get involved we will be there for 15 or 20 years. look at afghanistan, look at iraq. same thing. we don't go to win.

we go primarily for profit. it gives nato a reason to exist. host: thank you. guest: the caller is right. we are going to be dealing with this problem for decades to come. to unravel this problem and get some ofoot causes, but it is well outside the u.s. interests. we will not get to the sunni shia spats and long-standing historical rivalry. we are not going to get in the middle of some of the regional issues. that goes back to the french and british drive borders in that region. we are not. but at the same time we have very specific interests in making sure that the middle east is safe and secure. first and foremost, to protect the homeland. you don't want isis reaching into the united states and converting our citizens to pursue a radical ideology. second, it is important for us that we have a stable and secure europe, not only economically

but politically, and right now this crisis is putting europe -- it is testing the eu, it is testing nato. if there was a potential fisher to the point where they go -- a potential fissure to the point where they go back to individual nations, it is not going to serve our interests. i agree with you, wholesale involvement is probably not the answer. but to say that we don't have any interests i would argue will come to bite us later. so you have been saying if you see something, say something. i know it is an obvious question, but say something to him, and see what -- say something to whom and say what? guest: that's a great question. anything that looks unusual. .t is not rocket science if you're at a mall and you see an unattended package, tell the security guard. if you are on the object plane and you see someone who is acting suspiciously, they are

walking around and not making eye contact or sweating, reported. the worst thing that is going to happen is that they are going to be interviewed by a security officer and they're going to determine if they can go about their way. the worst thing we can do is if 10 or 15 people walk past a backpack sitting in an entrance way of a mall and no one says it does anything. that is where we have to be more vigilant and adhere to that campaign. and tomorrow at 8:30 eastern time our guest will be the head of amtrak to talk about the security concerns he has for the rail service here in the u.s.. we got a richer, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. mr. nelson has touched on the fact that we have national interest and we are going to be involved, but i came in late or , we need to't hear have an underlying policy or

strategy. if not then congress in its foreign policymaking role needs to set it. i think it would be advantageous to america to have an absolute for us to have learned the lessons of the prior conflicts since world war ii. george h.w. bush when he went , he iraq to recover kuwait did those lessons that we needed overwhelming force, public support, approval, and so forth. an indication of what we were going to do afterwards in world war ii. aftere other war conflict world war ii, those principles have not been followed. and today nobody seems to realize, yes, we are at war.

how do we follow our interests? and everything else has failed how do we use force and when do we use force? had we make sure that has a good effect? host: thank you. guest: great points. we have struggled over the last couple of years. i would argue that it has been a policy of half measures because it is complicated. on the other hand, what do full measures look like? your point is correct. we have struggled with our syrian policy. fighting withves the free syrian army against the sad regime while al qaeda is also fighting against them. putin took the chance to note that the united states with exley fighting with the al

qaeda affiliate in syria. that is not true, but it is very competent. again, this conflict is something that is not going to go away anytime soon. we had to figure out what we're going to fund, what we are going research,, what we're going to do. what are we going to have the support of american people to do jacket --? guest, he nelson our attended the naval war college. he was a team member in deep blue which was the naval operational think tank created after september 11, 2001.

laura is joining us from massachusetts, independent line, good morning. caller: i would just like to start out by saying when we shiites were -- the sunnis were ruling shiite likeity, but now it seems they are all mad. but the thing is, as soon as we leave they are not going to be a democracy. we have to stay out of their they should be separate countries. that is the only way it is going to end. host: it is -- guest: it is a very good point. eventually the united states is going to have to learn that these countries have second and

third order effect that we are not capable of handling, and perhaps they are really not our issue to deal with. we saw that would egypt. be careful you ask for. the muslim brotherhood party was actually put in power there. a form of democracy is actually not what we want. you had a strong authoritarian leader, you said he needed to go. he went. but now what do the government look like? what does that country look like going forward? some have suggested that maybe it is a federated model. aybe that is the answer, but more stable iraq and figuring out the civil war in syria are going to be critical to finding any sold -- solution or success. host: i mentioned the loop, jan and jan says,lue

did i know about that before? guest: it was created by the u.s. navy following september 11. we call that an operational to help the navy figure out how best to fight and engage in the war on terrorism. it was built and designed primarily to fight a large -- the changing face of the enemy. that is what our charter was. you for that tweet. we'll go to tom, pennsylvania. caller: i am a democrat and a proud isolationist. when is the last time you heard of a terror attack in china? i disagree. i think on am -- scale there are less that's in the world. my question is, i think the soft

see the video of people waiting to shop on black friday. host: thank you. guest: i mean sure. i take a little bit of an issue. from amarket value -- machiavellian perspective, maybe it would have been better if saddam hussein was still in power but we can't play that out. as a democratic nation that supports those type of deals that are so dear to us, i would disagree with that point. with china as well, china does have its own internal problems. as a population it is under serious pressure from the chinese government. there have been a number of attacks in china. we don't hear about these pressures mainly because we

don't understand it. also china clamps down very heavy handedly to make sure these attacks don't come forward. as these saw recently, a chinese national was killed in the , and china will be dragged into this slowly. it is a growing global power and they have a role as well. host: a former member of the national security council and an expert on terrorism and hom and ceok president talks about security and safety in the wake of the paris attacks, and amtrak derailment. we will take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter.

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