is 80 million in population. it has a diverse economy. happen is ofseen course the sanctions -- the foundation called the siege have crept into the economy and iran has a long history of being competitive and capitalistic. i think he and the internal -- you know, the internal, political dynamic in iran, we have seen individuals who are much more interested in integrating with the rest of the world economy, seeing the relaxation of sanctions as weakening those groups that have been using the sanctions to

strengthen their own position, and these groups are the people who are financing terrorists, and engage in other activities abroad. mucharrell: two i very for the -- thank you very much for the question. i would act oh dr. crane remarks. irgc remains sanctioned, even after the nuclear deal, and the fact that there is commitment in washington and in europe to keep and make suree that companies going into iran do not do business with the irgc has some potential to help some of the non-irgc actors in iran compete more effectively in these economic areas. >> in energy? mr. harrell: yeah.

>> wouldn't that be a good thing -- if we had someone competing with them? i certainly think we want to see more competition emerge. the sanctions were effective at getting us to where we are today with the nuclear agreement, but, you know, we did see the irgc expand its role in a diminishing pie during the sanctions era. i think it would be good to see some of that get on wound and see them lose the influence within a run. >> thank you. >> i want to wrap up my questions with one directed to you, in your testimony. you talked about the issue of spare capacity that is out there , and recognizing that this cushion that has been available, historically through opec countries, we have seen a

decline in that spare capacity, and as we continue to see production up at higher levels, that scared -- spare capacity or cushion is lessened, and your comment about the risk premium, or the fear premium -- well, obviously, there is a lot of risk going on, whether you are talking about iraq, iran, syria, saudi arabia -- anywhere in the region. we have had some discussion in this committee about what we really know about the skit -- spare capacity. we do a lot of guessing when it comes to countries like saudi arabia. how confident are we that we really have an understanding as to what that cushion is, how reliable that is, and what does that do to the risk premium, or

this fear premium that factors into what is going on with not only accessibility of supply, but the pricing? mr. webster: thank you for your question, senator. this is a very big issue. i know you have discussions in terms of figuring out how much spare capacity actually is. the analytical community, we do not have guesses. we call them "analyses." it is a big question for

markets. in 2000 eight, there is the assessment of saudi arabia has historically had 12.5. in reality, you have to make an assumption on how much is actually there. the last million barrels a day or so is actually quite heavy. it is oil that is not terribly useful for the oil markets. there is uncertainty on how sustainable it is and what kind of oil it is. this shift from saudi arabia's spare capacity to more control in the united states system in terms of shale oil and stocks is incredibly important because it is easy for someone like me to calculate how much we have. the fear premium, my concern is we have a lot of geopolitical risk, but the market is not paying attention because we are producing more oil than we are consuming around the world. you can actually handle an outage without a lot of difficulty. but this is going to shift in the future. part of it is because of opec and saudi arabia's policy. whatever your assumption in terms of production capacity, it is shrinking. >> senator cantwell mentioned this in her first round of

questioning that related to chokepoints, transportation issues that we face. you have a great deal of exposure and vulnerability when it comes to moving this resource. when we are talking about this risk premium, how do you factor in that geographic reality of being able to safely and freely move these oil exports? >> thank you for your question, senator. i would say chokepoints are critical for global markets. as ranking member cantwell mentioned, there are 94 million barrels of demand everyday. most of that flows through the strait. you have malaka where you could arguably go around, but you

cannot go around the strait. in an environment where it is a tight market or there is a concern about harassment of operations or efforts to choke off supply from the strait, the availability of supply from other parts of the world that is not bottled up within the gulf is incredibly important not just for u.s. energy security but global energy security. >> it seems to me that as we talk about the direct connect between oil and funding, financing of terrorism around the world, that we can be focusing today on direct hits the small trucks -- to the small trucks on the ground.

but that is just what we are focusing on right now. the reality is that this is a global trade in oil that allowed for a funding of terrorism that goes on around the world. and where we have these points of vulnerability as we are moving this resource, i think we need to be paying attention and understanding, again, the implications of these restrictions. we have talked a little bit on the dais today about the important role that the united states can play in allowing us a greater level of energy security when we have access to increased supply that we can't roll. -- control. we are not only using for

ourselves, but really using to help our friends and allies in other parts of the world. i mentioned my concern about libya, recognizing that libya's supply of oil into the market, if something happens, if there is continued unrest, the united states would have an opportunity to perhaps supplies some of those countries that libya has been providing oil to. i think that, as we talk about the issue of this 40-year-old export ban, recognizing that we are the only country that produces oil that has in place a ban on exports, it is important that we put into context what it

means not only to our security as a nation, but to the security of nations around the world when we can help influence not only the supply, but how you can more safely move the necessary resources. senator warren has arrived. we have concluded our final remarks, but we will give you five minutes. senator warren: i appreciate that, madam chair. i apologize for my absence. we had a bill signing for the new education bill. i appreciate the chance to be here. you know, one way to weaken isis is to cut off access to its source of funding. my understanding is isis funds operations in part through oil it seizes, extracts, refines, in

territories it controls. some of that money moves through the banking system, including through the more than 100 branches of iraqi and syrian national banks located in territory controlled or contested by isis. can you explain how isis and the people who purchase oil from isis rely on the international banking system to move their money? mr. harrell: thank you, senator, very much for the question. i should begin by saying in my assessment, most of the oil trade begins as cash-based. they are taking literal cash, u.s. dollars, things like that. which they stockpile. they keep much of that money in cash. it is heavily cash dependent. as the volumes of cash build up,

isis will be looking for ways to move that out, whether it is for management purposes, to move money to affiliates, i think it is important to continue to deny them access to the formal financial systems. one of the important steps on that front that the u.s. treasury department has taken, the treasury department has gotten the iraqi central-bank to shut down the access of the iraqi bank branches in isis territory in iraq. they should be shut off from the formal financial system. but we are seeing various informal exchange houses, things like that, looking at ways to move money in and out of isis territory. i think it would go directly

from isis to the financial system not very much. they have ways in the informal exchange houses to move it out and try to move it on. that is something critically important to address. senator warren: you put it in a important way. making it clear that cash is critical to their operation. obviously, we want to use any tool we can to try to disrupt the flow of cash and certainly through the banking system, but any tool we can to disrupt the flow of cash. that is part of the reason why president obama nominated adam zubin to serve as undersecretary in april. the undersecretary is to monitor

terrorist financing and his chief enforcer of sanctions against countries like iran, syria, and sudan. it is a critical position that plays a key role in disrupting isis fighting. can you explain some of the tools the office of terrorism and financial crimes has to disrupt the flow of money from isis? mr. harrell: there are a number of tools that the treasury department under the office of financial crimes leadership has, including sanctioning money houses, banks that may deal with isis cash, including putting out advisories to the financial sector about what to look for, what risks to look for. including engaging with iraq, with turkey, with other governments in the region, including regulators, to make sure those regulators are taking steps to keep the money out of their jurisdiction. senator warren: thank you. despite the importance of attacking the financial foundation of isis, republican leadership has been holding up adam zubin's nomination for eight months.

mr. zubin is impeccably qualified for the position. republicans do not contest that. he has worked at the treasury department for over a decade under democratic and republican administrations. i will be really brief because the chair has only given us extra time. do you think senate confirmation of mr. zubin will aid the fight against isis? mr. harrell: i absolutely think it would. i have had the privilege of working with adam zubin. he would be an indoor mislead effective leader. -- enormously effective leader. as we all know being confirmed is being -- different than serving. warren: thank you very much. if we are serious about taking down isis, we need to aggressively target its use of the international financial system to move money around. congress does not look very serious about this threat when it indefinitely delays the confirmation of our top counterterrorism fighting official for months for no

legitimate reason. it is long past time to confirm adam zubin. thank you. >> thank you, senator warren. thank you for the time you have given us. thank you. we stand adjourned. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> this weekend on c-span -- saturday night and :00 eastern, -- at 9:00 eastern, executives from pandora and spotify. >> there are certain parts of the day where music is not the only thing you want to listen to. morning commute is one hypothesis. if you are on the subway, in your car, maybe you do not all may want -- only want music. you want the news, the weather report.

a click of jimmy fallon, or something like that. there is some other content you want to experience. that is the hypothesis we are testing, to see if people are adjusted in experimenting -- experiencing that. >> then gop presidential at thete john kasich council on foreign relations. governor kasich: thanks to my 18 years on the house armed services committee, i knew many months ago the only way to solve the problem is to solve -- call for international coalition to delete isis in syria and -- and iraq.s in syria we have to organize an international coalition to defeat isis on the ground and deny them the territory they need to survive. those with long experience no that an air campaign on its own

is simply not enough. >> for more schedule information, go to our website, c-span.org. tonight, liveup coverage of a campaign rally with republican presidential candidate donald trump in des moines. he is at the iowa state fairgrounds. scheduled to start in about 12 minutes. politico reporting that his speech earlier today was disrupted by protesters after he called for barring muslims from entering the united states. during his speech, hundreds of protesters mingled outside of the hotel where he was speaking, and several entered the closed-door fundraising, carrying banners reading "islamophobia." again, we will take you live to the rally. while we wait, a look at remarks by rival candidate lindsey

graham speaking in new hampshire yesterday, when he talked about donald trump's comments on muslims putting the country at risk. >> a pleasure to meet you. >> high.- happy holidays. i came all the way from wisconsin. ?enator graham: you did you get a prize. i do not know what it would be. thank you.

>> i can squeeze right by you guys. >> a pleasure. welcome to portsmouth. good to have you here. senator graham: happy holidays. merry christmas. >> this is new hampshire. don't say anything. >> high. nice to meet you. senator graham: thank you for having me. it will be fun. they will have a good time. we can go play golf. crexendo is the right weather. senator graham: it is unseasonably warm. >> love it. the snow is coming soon, they'll. -- as though. -- the snow is coming soon, though.

senator graham: i think what i have been saying is coming true, unfortunately. >> hi, how are you? nice to meet you. senator graham: having a hard time finding workers? >> absolutely. senator graham: hello. i am honored to meet you. >> thank you very much. likewise. senator graham: you are a world world to veteran. >> [indiscernible] senator graham: ok. that is just as good. >> [indiscernible] was shot at.

i know what it is like to be under fire. senator graham: churchill said the biggest thrill of all is to be shot at and missed. we will talk about the world here today. >> so nice to meet you. thank you for coming. i am an auctioneer. senator graham: now that is a talent. >> thank you for coming here. senator graham: good to see you. identity theft -- your world is getting bigger. >> last two major. welcome aboard. -- nice to see you. welcome aboard.

>> i was married in bamberg. senator graham: how did you go to bamberg? how did you meet? >> up here. she went to school at winthrop. senator graham: all-girls school back then. >> then she went on to get her masters at clemson. her uncle was president of clemson for 20 years. senator graham: [indiscernible] absolutely. he is a legend. crexendo wish you well. thank you -- >> i wish you well. >> how are you. i have been a fan of yours for years.

senator graham: i have been a fan of mine, too. party andhange in the everything -- senator graham: i will talk about that in a minute. what you do now? >> i am in banking. we will have to take questions. thank you. senator graham: merry christmas. happy holidays. >> thank you very much. >> enjoying it.

crexendo i would be happy to meet you again anytime. i would be happy to meet you again anytime. senator graham: you will have some questions, right? >> definitely. >> thank you very much. senator graham: bob, how are you doing? bob: i am well. i'm a financial advisor. senator graham: how is it going? bob: busy time of year. senator graham: everyone is trying to get the deduction they can. senator graham: tough time.

we will talk about it all. [applause] senator graham: thank you very much. inh a -- i am going nowhere this race, unless the rotary club gets involved. i am from the federal government. i am here to help you. you are supposed to laugh. i am two years away from a reverse mortgage eligibility. i'm close enough to be a senior citizen. who has been to south carolina? come back. spend money. thank you very much. it's peter here -- have a round of applause for peter. [applause] senator graham: my first visit

as a presidential candidate to portsmouth. john arranges the meeting. i am there talking about the world falling apart, too much debt, and all of a sudden, whac k, peter has a heart attack. he is as white as that sheet. i said oh, god, i have killed someone in my first meeting. the emts came in. dying thank you for not in my first meeting. i appreciate it. it was the strangest experience in the world, so i had to lighten up on my speech. now, do you want a speech or a discussion? all right, you are going to get a discussion. number one, we are in a war that we cannot afford to lose. does that make sense to you? [applause] senator graham: all right. who are we fighting? radical islam.

who can be our best ally in this war -- yes, muslims. have you ever been to the region? i have been there 36 times over the last decade. what have i learned -- it is a religious war that we are going to win over time. why -- very few people are buying what i saw is -- isis is sending. very few fathers and mothers want to turn their sons and daughters over to isil. it is a matter of time before this ideology gives way to history, the weight of modern thought. the only question is how many people will die between now and then. the you agree the outcome of this war matters to us? do you agree the best thing we can do is build up others, not just kill terrorists? you have to do two things p you

have to kill terrorists, because you cannot reconcile with them, but the ultimate solution is building up others, and this would be a hell of a guide. what is selling is not true, and muslim virtually knows it that. their religion has been hijacked. the only i learned -- way to keep you safe here is for some of us to go there and build up others so that the homeland is not in jeopardy. now, i will talk about donald trump in a minute, because i worried about him being left out of the conversation. [laughter] senator graham: four two years, two years i-- for have been urging the president to change his strategy. how many people believe that bush made mistakes going into iraq? lindsey graham made mistakes. obama made mistakes. how do we fix it?

it is a religious war. it is not about iraq. it is not about syria. it is not libya. -- about libya. it is not about a place. it is about an idea. we have to defeat this idea. i have learned one thing. if you leave them alone, they will not leave you alone. does that make sense to you? on september 10, 2001, how many soldiers did we had in afghanistan? zero. not one dime of it. embassy and we got attacked anyway. why? donald trump said we have to figure out why people fly these planes into buildings. i know why. they are crazy. they are religious not cease. they want to destroy -- nazis. they want to destroy every thing we stand for. is thehtmare for isil

rotary clubs -- the concept of the rotary club where people of different backgrounds who compete with each other in the private sector come together to do something about polio and sell christmas trees. the bottom line is if you do not understand it is a religious war, you cannot win it. how many of you would like to live in saddam hussein's iraq, raise your daughters there? libya -- noaddafi's takers. why would you want someone else to do what you won't do. on inare two things going the world, and here is what i have learned from 32 trips to time as a, and reservist. the war is wonderful, but we have to understand who we are fighting.

for those who wish that saddam hussein were back, you do not understand that people in the region will not accept that anymore for our convenience. the arab spring has been hijacked, but it is very real. young women have had it. young men are very frustrated with having their fake determined -- fate determined based on where they are born and what try they are in. it started in tunisia. it spread throughout the entire region. mideast a demand in the by young people, disenfranchised, and women above all others, for social justice and economic opportunity. join them. don't be afraid of them. too.are our hope, arab to young muslim or go back to live in the dictatorship where your daughter can be dragged off the street if the sun of the dictator -- son

is notdictator likes her who we are or what we are about. it is a mess, but america has been a mess, too. judgment of. i never went to school with an african-american child until i was in the sixth grade. anybody here who is a baby boomer? can you remember segregated lunch counters? for 100ve not voted years yet, and we are well over 200 years old. we had a civil war among ourselves and it started in my state. democracy is hard. don't expect the mideast to fall .n place in 15 or 20 years but here is what you can expect -- with our help, things will change. so, here is what i am wanting to tell you.

associatennot as ourselves with this struggle for social justice and there is a fine for the heart and soul of islam taking place before our eyes. -- christian religion with reformation. there is a fight within islam for the heart and soul of the religion. take sides. take sides with those who would practice their faith, but find a place on the planet for you, too . 36 trips, i am here to tell you they are not all the same. i have lost a lot of good friends in iraq and afghanistan who were judges, policeman, lawyers, trying to impose the rule of law to replace the rule they fall, when someone else takes the place. i am very hopeful that over the ark of time radical islam will

be defeated, but it will require american leadership until that day comes. force,3 years in the air 140 days on the ground, when i call for more american troops to go back over there, i know exactly what i am asking. i am asking for people to miss holidays, to miss graduations, , and maybe notys come back at all. 1%ould not ask that of the who defend us if i did not believe it was necessary. we left iraq too soon. i just came back from my 36th trip. we need about 10,000 u.s. forces in iraq, not 3500. that will accelerate the demise of isil inside of iraq.

syria is literally how on earth. there are no good choices left. .ere is what i promise you if we do not fight them over there, we're going to be her. does that make sense to you -- they are large, rich, entrenched. another 9/11 is being planned as i stick. i know is planning it, and i know where they are at. they are in syria and their wake up every day trying to think of ways to hit us here. the paris attack was beyond my understanding in terms of sophistication. i did not believe they were this sophisticated. of landd territories the size of indiana. 6 million people are under their control. this caliphate has to come to an end. you can never have a stable mideast or peace at home until we take the land away from crisis.

that is going to require -- isis. that is going to require ground forces. the good news for you -- this time around, if i am your president, the arabs are going to do most of the fighting. the difference between now and the past is that every arab leader knows what is coming that way if isil continues to grow. they never believed saddam would take their country over and cut their heads off. he was there crazy cousin. , overo believe that isil time, will try to destroy their societies, and they are ready to fight back. they will not fight without us. they cannot win without us. there were two threats the president has acknowledged that needs toith, that isil be degraded and destroyed, that is the right goal, and assad needs to go. aside is a puppet of iran. the arab world is not going to

get damascus to the irradiance. -- to iran.regime the uranian regime is a bunch of religious nazis and the iranian people are decent folks. how do you believe he is building a power plant? plant,s building a power it -- if you think he is building a power plant, you should not be allowed to drive him? how many people think he would use it if he had it? the worst possible scenario is to give him more money and weapons without changing his behavior. ais deal with iran is nightmare for you and your kids, a death sentence for israel. i do not want a war, but i'm not going to give him $100 billion until he changes. i am not going to give him a pathway to a bomb within 15

years, even if he does not cheat. to those that want to manage this deal, you do not understand this deal. this is the biggest mistake since world war ii. ms. calculating and was on the other side of the table, and what they actually want. since we signed the deal, they testfired two missiles in violation of u.n. sanctions. do you think they are trying to send an iranian into space? on theve put troops ground in syria to destabilize the region of the have put another american in jail. this is not the change that i am hoping for. so, here is the discussion. what to do. the last thing you want to do is what trump is proposing. the last thing you want to do is declare war on all muslims. [applause]

donald trump is putting our soldiers and it laments in jeopardy. in jeopardy.ats cells to those on the fence that the infidels in america hate you and your relation. safer ining to make us a bizarre kind of way, and if he understood anything about this war, he would know he is putting us all at risk. i am looking at partners, aren't you? and the good news, there are a lot of them. the king of jordan is our last, best friend in the region. saudi arabia and egypt are ready to fight, but how could you negotiate a regional army with an american component when you have just declared that muslims cannot come to our country

simply because of their faith? you have undercut the essential war.dient to winning the what makes america great? that is the discussion we need to have. tolerance. the ability to pick your own leaders. say for ap and have a young -- have a say. for a young woman to have a say about the future of her children. church,to go to your and for me to go to my mosque, or not practice religion at all. that is our strength. that is truly what makes us great. when we come as a nation, lose our way, as we have in the past, we always regret it. they are going to write the history of these times.

i am a little short guy from south carolina at 1%. i do not need a poll to tell me what to do or say. when they write the history of these times, i hope it will be said about the senior senator from south carolina, of all places, that he actually understood the war and how to to speakwhen my time out came, i did. any republicans to? [laughter] senator graham: lindsey graham. [laughter] independentsm: any who might vote in the republican primary? senator graham: lindsey graham. to my fellow republicans, i love my party to the point where i

want to speak out. i come from the reddest of red states. onave been working immigration reform. gomez been called lindsay because i have dared to reach across the aisle and find a solution to immigration that is completely broken. i reject the idea of recording 11 million illegal deporting 11 million illegal immigrants because it is not practical. i do want to deport felons and lawbreakers. onto the rest, you can stay our terms -- learn our language, pay a fine for the law you broke. get to the back of the line, and not cut in. there is a solution on immigration. don't you agree that republicans have to work with democrats to save america? [applause] so, what mr.m:

trump is doing is making it virtually impossible for our party to grow. we are a diverse nation. that is truly what makes america great. would mr. trump is telling us to do is the oldest card in the deck. most illegal immigrants are rapists and drug dealers. to those who nod their head, you are wrong. they are not. some are bad, most are good. to those who want to monitor follow people around based on their faith, the fear has gone the best of you, and you have forgotten what be -- gotten the best of you and you have forgotten what being an american is all about. mr. trop is threatening to leave the party -- mr. trump is

threatening to leave the party if he is not treated fairly. guess who determines whether or not he is treated fairly? here is my retort. quit threatening us. himuld rather lose without and try to win with him if he keeps doing what he is doing. there is no shame in losing an election. the shame comes when you lose your honor. defined by the office i hold. i am defined by the man that my parents hoped that i would become. our party is not going to be defined by this election. it will be defined by how we conducted ourselves in this election. ted cruz says the only reason we lose is because of people like john mccain, bob dole, and mitt romney.

that if we had a real conservative, 50 million evangelicals would get off the couch and go vote. if you are on the couch after elections with barack obama, i doubt if you will ever get off the couch. [laughter] you wingraham: how do if you don't know why you are losing? you know why i think republicans are losing? death in a demographic spiral with the fastest-growing demographic in america, hispanics. 2006, some people in our party have been very harsh on the immigration issue. hispanics don't believe that we like them and they should be our voters. if you wonder why hispanics are leaving the republican party, how about asking them?

and they will tell you that the way you react on immigration makes me believe it is about my last name. here is the way life is in america. ago, a young man and a young woman came here with one child. they have had two. they have been working hard at jobs that you cannot find workers for here in america, lifting in the shadows. those two children are american citizens. when they hear a republican say that most illegal immigrants are drug dealers and rapists, the two youngest ones know you are talking about their family, and one of the young ones has been in the marines fighting for you. and when he comes back home and he hears where is mom -- you have not heard, she is walking back to mexico -- you have lost the young marine. would you vote for a party that will deport your mother?

having said that, there are people here that should go. i am going to take some questions now. i have never been more hopeful about the future of the republican party than i am now because barack obama has done more to help us than we have done to help ourselves. the only way we lose this election is to get in the way, nominate somebody that does not understand what makes america great. says let'st that make america great again. we are great. the problem with mr. trump, and i think senator cruz, is that they do not understand what makes us great. conservatism will sell to anybody because it is a good philosophy in these difficult , but nobody is going to buy what you are selling if they

and ifou don't like them they think you don't understand what makes us different as a nation. i am the first in my family to ever go to college. neither one of my parents finished high school. my dad and mom owned a liquor store, a bar, and a poolroom. that is why i would be a good president for you. [laughter] senator graham: i live in the back of the liquor store until i was in high school with my mom, youngermy nine year sister, never had a bathtub or a shower. we took a bath in a metal washtub, and i turned out fine. i ran to the pool room when i was old enough. i saw my mom and dad get up every day and go to work, whether they felt like it or not. they gave me the one thing that was essential to success,

unconditional love from a parent to a child. we lived in one room, but it could have been a mansion for all i care. i have never felt more loved and more safe than i did in that one room. when i was 20 when my mom was diagnosed with hodgkin's disease. -- 20 one my mom was diagnosed with hodgkin's disease. we got financially wiped out because we were uninsured. she passed and we were emotionally devastated and heartbroken. 15 months later, my dad dies. the university of south carolina, the first in my family to go to college, and my wife -- life came crashing down. n aunt and with a uncle who never worked, never made over $25,000 working in a textile plant that is now closed. a health may raise my sister.

if it was not for the death insurance, we could not pay the bills. if it were not for student loans, darling could not have gone to college. if it were not for my family, my friends, and my faith, i would not be standing here today. to the republicans in the crowd, there is a place for the government. it just has to be sustainable. most of us are one car wreck away from needing somebody's help. i am running for president because i think i can bring us together. i know i would be the best commander-in-chief of the bunch utt toe i busted my b understand what the job is all about. if i don't make it, i don't make it, but i am not going to change what i think we need to do to to a war we cannot afford lose, and i are going to embrace the values i think are required to grow this party. i do not know if you can go to the back of the liquor store -- well, i do know this, you can go

from the back of the liquor store to the senate. i do not know if you can go to the white house, but you know what i know above all else? what makes america great. thank you very much. [applause] >> senator, i agree with your stance on what we need to do to defeat isis, but on another matter, being a multi-decade military term, i am sure you're oriliar with after a third fourth crash, they have a standup. factng that in mind, the that gave the president the authority to stop immigration of certain groups -- not thatsarily religion -- how

poses a danger to america and how that might be applicable to what we are worried about today? senator graham: good question. how many people think this marriage between these two folks in california might not have been online? i am worried this could have been the first terrorist-arranged marriage. if we do not revisit our syrian vetting process, that would be crazy. after california, if you do not look at the k1 visa system i knew, thinking terrorists can export the system, you would be crazy, but you know what would be the dumbest thing of all, to say no muslim can come to america? how do you go to the king of jordan and say let's work together, to the president of egypt and say i want to use your army, but either way, your soldiers cannot come here to visit? how do you go to jordan, lebanon, and it is countries and build a coalition when your

policy is simply because you are a muslim you cannot come to america? it is wanting to inform -- reform visas, at a time and syrian refugees because we are at work, but one thing that does not make sense to me is say all muslims are the. there is a difference between what is been done in the past and what we are doing today. i'm a practical.. i am hard ass on winning this war. two years ago i was calling troops on the grid -- calling for troops on the ground. i never wanted 100,000 troops on the ground, but if we do not send some of our troops, they would lose. there is no way to destroy isil without american troops on the ground in iraq and syria. there is no way to defend america without a partnership with muslims and what donald trump is saying about muslims is hurting us, putting our people at risk, and making it impossible to win a war we

cannot afford to lose. i will reform the visa system and never under any circumstance do what donald trump has been because if he had half a brain about this war, he would understand he has made isil stronger, not weaker. [applause] >> for your service in the military and congress -- there have been huge changes in south carolina. i know you have an indian american governor, a black senator. senator graham: and i am the most novel of them all, actually. >> i do not disagree with anything you are saying about the middle east at all, but i also want to know about this country -- what are you going to do about health care? you referenced how it destroys lives, and i'm a physician. there are so many things i don't like with what i see right now. i would call obama care a , insurance company

bailout. the public does not understand that. senator graham: great question. what kind of practice do you have? >> [indiscernible] senator graham: i need you. on behalf of a lot of us, we want to keep you in business. we will talk about health care, but the biggest domestic threat , right?is what -- debt can i talk about debt and then health care? what drives the debt? over time, what is the biggest driver of the debt? you get a free whatever. you get a free christmas tree. anybody here born from 1946 to 1964? anybody born after 1964? good luck. you are all going to need it. [laughter] was born inam: i

the middle of this bunch that you will have to pay for. here's what i would do -- i would call the chairman of the joint chiefs and say what do you need that you don't have? i would build a bigger navy. portsmouth would do well. we need 350 ships. we need to rebuild the army to 420,000, do0 versus a lot of things, but if you are a debtor nation, you cannot do any of those things. here's the problem. retire.on of us will we want social security checks and medical bills paid. guess what? we are $70 trillion short of the money we need to keep medicare and social security afloat. why? poor people are retiring than we have ever seen, they live longer, and you are down to how many workers per retiree? .wo tell me how this ship can stay

afloat? you raise your hand. you are the two people. -- i am notme married, don't have any kids. i am screwing it up for everybody else. there are two ways to deal with this -- strom thurmond had four kids after he was 67. mark --nteers question volunteers? [laughter] youtor graham: if volunteer, you should be in the optimist club, not the rotary club. if you do not think we can do that, we have to come up with immigration to supplement a retiring workforce. need to do something like simpson bowles -- have you heard of it? it is a bipartisan plan were republicans have to eliminate deductions and credits in the tax code that we all enjoy to pay down that. we have to make some sacrifices. we have to tell people on the right, no. democrats have to agree to adjust the age of retirement

like ronald reagan and tip o'neill did, or we are all dead as a nation. people in my income level, we have to take less and pay more into medicare. i should not get a subsidy. the most anybody pays is $109. payd you want bill gates to the actual $350? so would bill gates if you asked him. when i was 23, sir, i did not have anything. flat broke. it, i a military time make $175,000 a year, i am rich by any definition except trump's . i would give up some of my social security benefits, take a smaller cola, pay more into medicare. if you ask younger people to work longer, and people in my income level to work less, we get the baby boomers through the system. if you do not, we are dead.

by 2040, all the money you sent medicare,o to pay medicaid, social security, and interest on the debt because of the 80 million retirees. so, what i do about health care -- i would keep two things -- keeping your the american dream used to be to own your own home and now it is getting your kids out of your house. [laughter] the second thing i would do is never that you be denied coverage because you have been sick before. been there. because of pre-existing illnesses. this ain't about 30 million people who are not insured. obamacare is about destroying the private sector to get everyone under the government umbrella. if you work 40 hours a week, you are covered. if you work 30, you are not. employees, you will not hire three more.