prevent the government from punishing a person because that person doesn't share the government's views, unless that person is actively opposed to the government's views. but if that person just really could not care less, which a lot of people in this country could not care less; they don't vote, they don't pay attention, they wouldn't know who was running. but the government can punish that person because that person doesn't share the government's views. and i would have said, that is one strange doctrine. mr. goldstein: it -- it may be that i have not persuaded you in this case. i will say, justice kagan, what you ask is, can the government do it? the government cannot because there are lots of other protections. and remember, if the person is politically neutral, it is the case that -- the right of political association is the right of political association. if you aren't engaging it, you aren't actively pursuing the right in any way, or even if you aren't active about it. justice roberts: thank you, counsel. mr. frost, you have a minute left. mr. frost: thank you, mr. chief

justice. a couple points that i want to make with respect to declaring one as a neutral. if heffernan was engaged in political activity and said, i'm supporting spagnola, of course he would be protected by the first amendment. what i'm hearing is that if he said, i'm neutral, he would be covered; he would be protected. i see little difference between being a neutral and being agnostic in the sense that i'm not taking a position. justice sotomayor: i'm -- i'm so totally confused. i know it's the way it was presented to us, but i thought he testified that he had made a choice not to get involved in the campaign but that spagnola was his friend and he supported him. so he wasn't neutral; he just wasn't engaging in associational conduct by choice. that's what i thought. mr. frost: that's correct,

justice sotomayor. and the point that i was trying to make was the fact that in this case he was not going to be exercising his right to vote or campaign for him, but -- but clearly he engaged in what we would consider core first amendment activity by picking up that sign. the mistake that the employer made was actually one that they perceived him as actually campaigning on behalf of spagnola. and that should make no difference for the simple reason that with respect to that activity, it's because the court sees that the government is acting for an impermissible purpose, and that was the press -- justice roberts: thank you, counsel. thank you, counsel. the case is submitted. >> a live look at the white house and capital as the northeast braces for a winter storm. forecasters are predicting as

much as two feet of snow. tc, maryland, and virginia are state of emergency. pro-life advocates were on the national mall for the national march for life rally. occurring on the 43rd anniversary of the roe versus wade decision. those speaking included carly , andna, joni ernst christopher smith. om leaders of fr pro-life organizations. this is just over one hour. patrick: my name is patrick kelly. i am honored to serve as the chairman of the board of the march for life. on behalf of the board and the whole march for life team, i would like to welcome you to the largest annual civil rights demonstration in the world. thee whole march for life team, i would like to welcome you to the largest annual civil rights demonstration in the world.

before we begin, let us join together in the pledge of led by a member of the knights of columbus council at george washington university. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. patrick: thank you, michael. each year we are grateful for orthodox andf the roman catholic bishop of opening our rally in prayer. in continuing this tradition, i am now happy to welcome to the

stage, on behalf of the assembly of canonical bishops, his of new jersey who will offer the opening prayer. joining him are bishops representing the greek orthodox archdiocese of america, the orthodox orth archdiocese of the united states and the orthodox christian church in america and the roman catholic bishops of the united states. >> let us pray to the lord. lord, jesus christ, our god, who created mankind in your image and likeness, setting us apart

from all creation to glorify your majesty, bringing us together on this auspicious occasion for the annual march for life. as we gather to celebrate your divine gift of life, freely offered to all, we are reminded that your right hand controls course of humanity and life, according to the degrees of providence for our salvation. we therefore offer you our lord and god our gratitude for all our blessings for the earthly life in the heavenly joys of your kingdom which is to come. lord, our god, who is well pleased to come down from the heavens and to be born of the ever virgin mary, the holy mother of god, for the salvation of us sinners, who knows the

frailty of human nature, according to your passion, forgive the sins and be gracious to your servants who, through ignorance or willfulness defy your sovereignty and benevolence through the sins of abortion and the taking of another life. divinerce of origin is and not human. we pray that you will forgive fear the challenges laid upon them and who have that whatever is born of god belongs in the world. we reaffirm our unwavering

to the dignity of every human being and the sanctity of each human life. indeed, marching in unity and common purpose, we strive to embrace all human nature, but children ofhe the world, both born and unborn. such is the kingdom of have been. amen. >> thank you very much, your eminence. i would like to add that we also

had the little sisters of the porro p or to join us in prayer. up here to join us in prayer, and we are very grateful that they are here today. -- i woulde to thank like to especially thank all of you who came here today and have the courage to be here and make your voice heard when we have a major storm barreling down on washington, d.c. each one of us here today has a key role to play in what is the most important human rights movement in the 21st century. decades from now, you will be proud to say you came to washington to march. you will be proud to say you

came ahead of your time, standing up for the truth that to be pro-life is to be , and to be pro-woman is to be pro-life. the abortion industry doesn't want you to believe this truth. they are in industry fueled by big dollars that tries to intimidate and control the debate. they thrive on a throwaway culture and they insist on dividing and bullying those who disagree with them twice beginning of a fictional war on women. -- by speaking of a fictional war on women. our movement is different. it is billed by you, the grassroots. we come from communities and towns all across america. we come to show that we cannot be intimidated. we come to raise our voices and build a culture that affirms the unimaginable

possibilities of both a pregnant mother and her unborn baby. the march for life has a simple message about pregnant moms and their babies. we love them both. and our message is winning. a poll released this week shows that three quarters of americans agree that our country's laws should protect both mothers and unborn babies. the same poll shows that despite that ourar narrative country is evenly divided on abortion, eight in 10 americans actually support substantial , and thisabortion number even includes two thirds of those who say they are pro-choice.

so, something is changing in america, and it's this. being pro-life and pro-woman is now the new normal. it is now my privilege to introduce the leader who has worked so hard to build this gettingr life, which is younger and bigger every year. please join me in welcoming the of the march for life, jeannie mancini. jeannie: thank you. hello out there. is anyone cold out there? good afternoon, marchers, and welcome to the 43rd annual march for life. a little snow could not keep you away, could it?

thank you for being here despite the weather forecast. the world may think we are little crazy to be here on a day like today, but those of us standing here know that there is no sacrifice to great to fight the human rights abuse of abortion. today, i am going to ask you to show the world why you are pro-life, why you would come to washington despite the cold, despite the wind, and despite snowyow we forecast -- forecast. i want you to share photos and stories about why you march for life. and you use this -- you do this by using hashtag what? hashes based tag what? #-- hashtag what?

#whywemarch. our theme this year is pro-life and pro-woman go hand in hand. why this theme? why now? importantly, a woman's capacity to have a child is an incredible, beautiful, and amazing thing. it is something inherent to women. it is a miracle. not a liability. this is true for women who might ever be biological mothers. it is a beautiful, beautiful thing. the capacity to be a mom is part of who are woman is as a person. it is not that they are defined by it. it is not a liability. why should it be? to treat a woman's capacity of

motherhood as something to be downplayed is a misunderstanding of the inherent nature and dignity of women, and of men as well. secondly, abortion is not good for women. psychologically or physically. you know what? this isn't just my opinion or just your opinion. science and research strongly support this reality and americans know that it's true. just this week, a poll was released that showed that a majority of americans believe abortion does more harm than good to women. many, many women regret their abortion and suffer very difficult psychological consequences. i don't want any woman to ever have to go through that, and i know you don't either, do you? and there could be physiological consequences. the next time the mom gives birth, there could be an early

birth or other consequences. i remember once talking to the data of a beautiful young woman, 18 years old from california, holly patterson, who died as a result of safe, legal abortion in a planned parenthood. it has been said politically and culturally that for one to be pro-woman, one must be pro-choice, but nothing could be further from the truth. there are many confusing messages regarding women and the issue of abortion, but the empowering truth is we know that being pro-life and pro-woman go hand in hand. the fact is, pro-life is pro-woman, and that is why i march. wonderful. later in our program, we are

going to recognize the many great organizations with us. many will be involved in the electoral process. we are going to have a wealth of information shared on strong pro-life candidates all year. we do not endorse specific candidates for public office, but we are grateful to all of those candidates at every level who are courageously standing up for life. very excited to introduce you to someone. this theme of pro-life and pro-woman go hand and hand -- hand in hand is shared by many women who are not afraid to stand up and be courageous in their support for life. fiorina.woman is carly carly was the first woman to lead a fortune 50 company as the head of hewlett-packard. advocate andionate

someone who wholly embodies this years theme. please welcome to the stage carly fiorina. ms. fiorina: good afternoon. , jeannie. it is so inspiring to see so many great pro-life, pro-woman advocates out here on a chilly afternoon. it's not quite as cold as iowa or new hampshire, i have to tell you. still, it's inspiring to see all of you out here with sonoma get snowmaggedon bearing down on us. even that cannot stop us from rallying for a cause that is oh important. in less than a year, there will be a new president in the white house. president will have the pickme responsibility to

up to four supreme court justices who will decide issues of life and religious liberty. we forcedecide whether taxpayers to fund the political arm of the abortion industry, ,hether we as a nation believe as the democrat platform says, that a life is not a life until it leaves the hospital. yes, that is the democrat a life is not a life until it's born, and they call us extreme. it is democrats, the pro-abortion industry that is extreme. the next president of the united states will have a lot to say about whether a baby only a month from being born is only as good as the organs you can sell from it. make no mistake, ladies and

gentlemen, this election is a fight for the character of our nation. the establishment media and the political class actually don't want us to talk about what the .bortion industry is doing use what happened when i talked about the horrific truth of the planned parenthood -- you saw what happened when i talked about the horrific truth of the planned parenthood videos at the republican debate. you have seen the videos. you have seen an aborted baby, its legs kicking, it's hard beating, while the technician describes how they want to keep the baby alive to harvest its organs. the left called me a liar. were no suchre videos, no aborted babies born

harvesting of parts. a few short weeks later planned parenthood came out and said they would no longer take compensation for baby organs. that sounds like an admission to me. as we stand here today, hillary clinton is in new hampshire giving a pro-abortion speech. i has aaying that conservative woman, that all of us as conservative women, don't count. but here is the truth. feminismhas perverted into political ideology were women are pitted against men and used as weapons to win elections. being empowered, i know that,

having started as a secretary, i know that being empowered means having a voice. but conversations are being shutdown on college campuses and in the media. if you are a pro-life man or, heaven for bid, a conservative woman, who doesn't believe the litanies of the left, you are waging a war on women, a threat to women's health, or variously ,"scribed as "window dressing or offensive as a candidate. ladies and gentlemen, ours is a the character of our nation. it is a fight to take our country back, and citizens, we must take our country back.

it is why aim running for president because i believe the time has come. time asacing a perilous a nation. we must take our country back. i have visited pregnancy centers around the country. they are doing god's work and they do not receive a dime of federal funding. the pro-abortion left cannot stand it when we talk about defunding planned parenthood. they scream at the top of their lungs about taking away women's health, unless, of course, you bring up pregnancy centers or community hot balls. then the left -- community health centers. then the left goes dead silent. this has never been about women for them.

it is about the litany of the left and funding their political agenda. this is a fight we can and will win. planned parenthood regularly .hows up at my events let me say to all the planned parenthood supporters who show up, you can scream and throw condoms at me all day long. you will not silence me. me.will not scare i have battled breast cancer. i have buried a child. i know the value of life. my husband,, i met frank. when we were married, i learned that her mother was told -- his mother was told by her doctors to abort him. instead, she chose to bring her son into the world. she spent almost a year after

his birth in the hospital, but he has been the joy of his life and the rock of mine. i think often about how different my life would be of she had made a different choice. every person has god-given gifts. each of us has more potential than we realize. science is on our side. public opinion is on our side. we are winning this site -- fight, ladies and gentlemen, but we need a fearless fighter in the white house, not just to win this election, but to restore the character of our nation. you can bet that i will win this fight against hillary clinton. and you can count on what i will .o as president i will defund planned parenthood. support health centers

around the country. i will restore the character of this nation. fight with me, stand with me. together, we must take our country back and restore its character. so very much. god bless you all. jeannie: thank you very much, carly. has focusedjim daly on helping families thrive. by daily radio show is heard nearly 3 million people across the united states. please help me in welcoming to the stage, jim daly. jim: man, carly, what a great speech. what gives me such hope for this nation, when you have people who want to run for president who are committed to the pro-life movement like that.

hey, i want to say a couple of things in a couple of minutes. first, thank you to the catholic community. i even gel a look, but thank you to the way. , butam an evangelical thank you to the catholics for leading the way. we are grateful for your leadership on this issue. us a while to come to the party, but we're with you. the other thing i would like to mention is just the work in ultrasound through efforts. it is estimated that we have saved over 358,000 babies from abortion. forward, we need to look that are not awake yet

to the reality of what is being with the grace of god, the love of god, and the truth of god's words. thank you very much. jim.ie: thank you, today we have two powerful pro-life videos to share with you. to introduce the first, i am happy to welcome to the stage, marjorie dan felder. >> everyone standing here has a bond with everyone who has marched these streets since the founding of this nation to attack and win great human rights battles. congratulate yourselves. you are in a straight line of succession. ,ust over 100 years ago thousands of women marched for the right to vote.

they came to express their support for the equal rights of women in the voting bloc. the suffrage parade went from the capital to the white house and came at a time that was have it all in the battle for the right to win -- pivotal in the right to win suffrage. it is a right women have been fighting for for more than 60 years. it achieved all kinds of success in the states, but all of the activities that had gotten to the national level was stalled. , this sounds very familiar, doesn't it? within 19 years of that parade, they won suffrage, they won the equal rights of women at the ballot box. in the 19th amendment was

passed. the women who marched in 1913 new as we do that pro-life and pro-woman go hand in hand. the parade's organizer was alice exploitation of women. also in the crowd was a woman who would move on to be the first woman member of congress. look out at his crowd, i think i see some people, especially some young women, who will become members of congress as well. many of the pro-life successors of jeannette rankin and alice paul are here with us today. these women have been fighting passionately in the house of representatives, the u.s. senate, and legislatures around the country for the right to life, the defunding of planned parenthood, and the end of abortion completely, starting

with stopping abortion after five months. for heaven sake. with a great partnership of knights of columbus, and with the march for life, susan b anthony list would like to present to you some of the beautiful women blazing the trail to affirm the rights of the unborn and the rights of women that go hand-in-hand. here is a video. [video clip] >> in 1990, i was pregnant with my second son, stephen. i marched down pennsylvania and lobbied my member of congress to tell them my position on the rights of the unborn. >> when i started having my children, the pro-life movement had so much more meaning to me. >> it's not restricting anything. it's a celebration of life. >> defending life is always the right thing to do.

>> i would encourage a young woman to be courageous. >> women bring life into the world and know firsthand the value of life. >> you need to step forward. you need to step up. you need to let people see who we are, what we stand for, what our values are. >> we have a record number of women in office right now, serving in congress who are pro-life. >> in order to defend life, you do have to be in the public sector. if you're not running for office yourself, you had better be supporting people who are. >> it's so important that you get involved and make your voices heard. >> the main challenge we have is to always speak from the heart. these are sometimes very difficult situations that women are in, and we understand that. >> thank you for carrying this message to people all over the country. >> thank you for participating in the march for life. it's something the media cannot ignore.

one day they really understand, my goodness, look at the passion. >> we are pro-life. we support life. you are here showing the world how important that is. >> we are winning the battle of hearts and minds. i personally live for the day when abortion is not just illegal, when abortion is unthinkable. [cheers and applause] >> as many of the courageous pro-life members of congress come to stage, i am very honored to introduce a great pro-life voice from the united states senate. senator joni ernst has been a champion of the cause from her first day in office. please give a warm welcome to senator joni ernst from iowa.

>> thank you. welcome to washington, d.c. good afternoon, everybody. first, let me say that there is no place i would rather be than right here with you on this cold january day. thanks for coming out. i am truly honored to be here today, not only to stand, but to march, to protect the most vulnerable of our society. thank you all, including those i met this morning from the great state of iowa and all of the young future leaders we have here today in the crowd. for getting in your cars,

for boarding those planes, those trains, putting on your coats, your mittens, your gloves, and fighting for life. over the last year, thank you for helping me fight to remind those in washington that we are a nation that protects life. thank you for helping me to fight in washington to shine a light on the lack of compassion shown by planned parenthood for women and their babies. and thank you for helping me fight to remind those in washington that we are a nation that will stand up together to say we can and we must do better. the theme of this year's march

is pro-life and pro-woman go hand in hand. and it is such an important message. many of those fighting against us have claimed that our efforts to defend and protect life at all stages of development constitute a war on women. i reject that. i reject that. because i will remind them that i am a woman, and i have been to war, and let me be clear, this is no war on women. that's right. that's right. rather, to me, being pro-life means that you have a deep

respect for the miracle of life and a woman's unique ability to bring life into this world. being pro-life means you recognize the joint responsibility of a mother, father, and society at large to protect and nurture each and every life from the moment it is created and you see abortion as a reflection of our collective failure to meet that responsibility, and not a litmus test for the advancement of women's rights. being pro-life means you reject the notion that the loss of millions of babies through abortion honors the civil liberties, independence, or strength of a woman.

being pro-life means that you mourn the loss of thousands of baby girls and boys that are lost each year to abortion in the united states, and you believe we should cherish women and girls equally at every stage of their development. thank you. look around you. look to your left and look to your right. look around you. as you can see by the crowd assembled here today, many of us are mothers, grandmothers, sisters, pro-life, and pro-woman does indeed go hand in hand. in my first year in office, i have tried to embody that important message.

as you may know, i have been leading the fight to save our taxpayer dollars for women's health care by redirecting them from planned parenthood, the nation's single largest provider of abortions, and instead provide them to other eligible entities like community health centers and hospitals, which provide greater health care services to women, but do not provide abortions. thanks to your support, earlier this month, congress was able to put legislation on the president's desk to defund planned parenthood. i have also joined my colleagues in support of the pain capable unborn child protection act in an effort to ban abortions after five months of pregnancy, a

stage of development at which evidence shows unborn babies can feel pain. the day i took to the senate floor to speak in favor of the bill, i had the opportunity to meet a -- an adorable little boy, a beautiful three-year-old boy from newton, iowa, named micah pickering. micah was born prematurely at just five months of development. as micah joyfully ran around my office, his mother and father explained to me that they know micah was just as full of life at five months of development as he is now. as micah proved, an unborn baby in his fifth month of development is not just a clump of cells.

they have 10 fingers and 10 toes . they can feel pain and they can survive outside of the womb. it's what we all know, folks. it's what we all know. life is indeed precious, and we are a country that stands for life. in order to rise and meet that commitment, we must protect the most vulnerable in our society, particularly those who cannot protect themselves. as a mother and a grandmother, thank you for joining me today here and every day to stand, to speak, and to march for life. god bless you all. thank you. thank you.

thank you. thank you. >> thank you very much, senator ernst, and thank you for your witness in the united states senate. just a quick announcement. we have a young boy who is lost, dressed in a, flies coach --dro, dressed in a camouflage coat. he is in the lost person's tent. we ask his parents to go claim him. i am now very happy to introduce congressman chris smith of new jersey, the cochair of the bipartisan congressional pro-life caucus. he has been the cochair for nearly three decades and a courageous pro-life leader in congress. please join me in welcoming chris smith of new jersey.

>> thank you very much. thank you for, again, a wonderful march for life. i am joined onstage by some of the true champions and leaders of the right to life movement, beginning with ann wagner, congresswoman from new jersey. steve pearce, and mark meadows. thank you, especially those people from their districts who have sent them here. they are unbelievably effective, and again, we are turning the tide. you know ladies and gentlemen, , today, the pro-life movement is stronger than ever and is making serious, significant, and sustained progress. the gains have been historic. 282 pro-life laws have been enacted since 2010.

in the last year alone, nine powerful pro-life measures have passed the house. special thanks to speaker paul ryan, kevin mccarthy, and kathy mcmorris rodgers. although hillary clinton supports abortion on demand until birth and an extremist position and this month called , for the end of the hyde amendment, a new poll shows that americans actually want more pro-life protections, including no taxpayer funding for abortion. planned parenthood, and all of you know this, and in time the press will recognize it as well, is the tip of an ugly iceberg, a multibillion dollar industry that systematically exterminates children and hurts women.

subsidized by over $500 million in taxpayer funds every year, planned parenthood dismembers or chemically poisons a baby to .eath every two minutes planned parenthood is child abuse incorporated. recent undercover videos by the center for medical progress have exposed in numbing candor vel plannedh-le parenthood leaders gleefully talking about procuring organs using and dismemberment procedures to

preserve in tact livers, hearts and lungs. planned parenthood was eager to facilitate secret abortions for child sex trafficking victims. another series in 2012 exposed planned parenthood promoted sex selection abortions, especially of little girls. take note of this. next week, there will be an override of president obama's veto of the bill to defund planned parenthood. and we will win that in the house. [cheers and applause] finally, you are the antidote, ladies and gentlemen, especially our young people. including my own dear daughter elise, who is in the crowd. you are the antidote to this present darkness, the culture of death. for the sake of women and children, because we love them both, be further involved.

defend life with all the currid, -- courage, faith, insight, compassion, and love that you have to muster. up, orack down, or give ever get discouraged ever. , ask god for strength. combine consistent prayer with fasting and smart and diligent pro-life work at every level, including the political. someday soon, america will protect the weakest and most vulnerable, and into eternity, each and every one of you will have played a critical part in this all-important human rights struggle. thank you and god bless you. >> thank you, congressman. and i would like to note that our little boy who was lost has now been found. congressman smith is joined in

the pro-life caucus by his democratic cochair dan lipinski of illinois. mr. lipinski unfortunately was not able to be with us today, but he sends his heart felt warm wishes for a successful march. you can aid the work of all these great pro-life legislators by being sure to visit your member of congress after the march today, encourage them to continue the fight to enact pro-life laws, and remind them that there are thousands back home just like you. for more than four decades, we have gathered here on this day to peacefully protest the abortion regime imposed in this country by roe versus wade. in recent years, we have been encouraged by pro-life voices from around the world. they, like us, hold their own marches, and they, like us,

speak for the most vulnerable among us. this past year the march for , life hosted an international meeting of leaders from the marches for life from around the world. we are very proud to present this video that showcases our -- these leaders and reminds us that the movement is truly global. [video clip] ♪ >> the united states march for life is the first of its kind. we are an international group. many international leaders come. they get a lot of inspiration and they go home and build their own march for life. >> 18 years ago, we started our first march in canada. we had less than 1000 people.

in 2015, we had over 25,000. it is important that we continue until canada restores a new culture of life. >> the march in ireland is a big celebration of life and brings a message not just to the public, but to politicians saying we could do better by mothers and babies. >> i think what is unique about is the numberlife of young people who come to these events. it's a phenomenal effort from grassroots up. >> we march through the streets. we are there to have a festival of life, a festival of love, and we want to pass the message on.

now it's through the u.k. and , now it's through the world. >> we have already nearly 40 years of abortion law in italy. the march helps people understand that life is a gift. >> abortion is not legal, but we are under attack by ngo's trying to legalize abortion in peru. so, we have to defend the mother, defend the child, defend family. >> the march for life is important because we have to

defend life. we are convinced that we are the pro-life generation and we are defending everything, every day, every year, the life of the unborn. >> the march for life, whatever country it is, can be so powerful, because often people feel alone, but there is something in the power of unity, solidarity, and the message that we are going to keep protecting -- keep working until every human life is protected from conception to natural death. >> great. ok, i can see a lot of you guys with your teeth chattering, so i know you are cold and ready to march. about 10 minutes until we kick off the march, so stick with us because these last , speakers are awesome. we know that pro-life and

pro-woman go hand in hand. our next eager is another pro-life woman whose book responded to a culture that would have us believe that in order to be pro-woman we cannot be pro-life. we know that's not true. please welcome to the stage suellen. >> hello, everybody. in 1969, i was fired for being pregnant. i went on to a job at cosmopolitan magazine, where i promoted abortion as the royal road to women's freedom. now i have written this book to say i was wrong. i was wrong about abortion. women are most empowered and most free when we are interconnected in love with others. your branch of the women's movement, pro-life family

feminism, gave women the right to vote. your branch of the women's movement, pro-life family fan in -- family feminism, launched second wave feminism in the 1960's. and your branch of the women's -- feminist movement, pro-life family feminism, is still here today marching in the streets, hundreds of thousands strong, defending the bond of love between a mother and her baby. you, not planned parenthood, not naral pro-choice america, represents the authentic women's movement of the 21st century. wake up, "washington post." wake up, "usa today." we need to stop pinning the rights of the mother against the rights of the baby. whatever harms the baby harms the mother. whatever harms the mother harms the baby.

whatever harms either of them harms us all. we are the new feminists of the 21st-century. wake up, media. we have the power. we are not afraid, and we are not going away. >> thank you so much, sue ellen. an important part of our pro-life work has to do with support for women who chose an abortion. for more than a decade, the silent no more awareness campaign has brought a message of hope and healing to thousands of such women. i am so grateful for the courageous witness of our next speaker, and i ask you to join me in welcoming jules green to the stage to share her story of hope and healing. >> thank you. thank you so much.

it is so wonderful and overwhelming to see so many people gathered together for life. because when i was a pregnant teenager, there was no one. i knew no one who was pro-life. as a pregnant teenager, i already thought of myself as a new mother. but no one supported my choice to parent. i knew no one who agreed with me, no one who advocated for life. i was alone. so i surrendered. i surrendered to the pressure, from the culture, from family, from friends, to abort my first child. and then i surrendered to the deep depression that immediately followed that horrible, regretful decision. within a few weeks of my abortion, i attempted suicide. i spent a month in a psychiatric unit to recover. and then i surrendered again to

the world around me, to a culture telling me that abortion was ok, that i should be ok. just get over it. and then i got a job at an abortion facility, and it was there, at that abortion clinic, for years, i kept trying to believe what everyone around me was insisting, that abortion was no big deal. a simple medical procedure, a choice. but i knew i missed my baby. and i saw the women at that abortion clinic, crying in the waiting room, crying in the procedure room, crying in the recovery room, day after day, year after year. but it was not until many years later, after leaving the abortion industry, that i was

finally able to face the brutal truth that abortion is wrong, abortion is always wrong, abortion always extinguishes the light of life, of a unique, irreplaceable and unrepeatable member of our human family. and it was accepting this truth that finally led me to spiritual conversion, forgiveness, and healing. thank you. once i became pro-life, i knew i could not stay silent. thank you all for being here and for your dedication, and for believing in and welcoming us who have been converted. welcoming regretful and repent -- repentant mothers and fathers, mothers who mourn, and people like me.

i am finished surrendering to a world that treats children is -- as disposable. i am finished surrendering my voice. you can hear others who refuse to remain silent on the steps of the supreme court, where you will hear the testimony of many men, women, and families who mourn. jewels green, and i am silent no more. >> thank you, jewels, for your powerful witness. as the center for the baltimore ravens from 2009-2013, max -- matt burke was part of a team that won super bowl 47. since retiring from the ravens, he has served as the director of football development for the national football league. matt is a courageous and inspiring advocate for life.

he is a super bowl champ and a pro-life champ. please join me in welcoming matt burke. matt: anybody cold? me neither. from up here, you all look great. every single one of you. the last couple of weeks, i started to tell people i was coming down here to d.c. they asked me why. i said i'm going for the march for life. they said why are you going there? why are you marching? you mean in addition to the things we have seen for the last few months? you want to know why we march? let me tell you why we march. i'm a football player, but like to keep things simple. we march because i have never heard a woman give birth to a baby and then say i wish i had

an abortion. that is why we march. [cheers] because i have never heard somebody say i wish i had fewer kids. that is why we march. [cheers] acause i have never heard of worker at a life clinic decide to leave and go to work an abortion clinic. that is why we march. [cheers] because if black lives matter, lives in the womb matter. that is why we march. because if you have ever seen a baby being born, even though it happens millions of times a day, it is still a miracle. it is pure joy. if you have ever experienced

adoption it is one of the most , beautiful things in the world. it is an act of sacrifice by the birth mother to know that she can give the child what he or she needs and so she does the selfless act of giving the baby up for adoption. that is love. in this world where we have dictators and communism and nuclear weapons and hunger and disease, don't we need more miracles might, don't we need more joy, don't we need more love? that is why we march. that is why we march. and for the millions of women, the abortion survivors out there who are the real heroes of this movement who have the courage to come forward and say that they made a mistake and they want to and their painat

want themeal and we to know we love them and we appreciate them. that is why we march. the end of the day, there is only two choices. you are either pro-life or you are pro-abortion. and we are unapologetically pro-life. that is why we march. god bless us all. he already has. >> thank you, matt. i am very happy to introduce our dr. marguerite duane who was a physician who embodies the spirit of our

theme. of an the cofounder organization. please welcome to the stage the leader of this woman-empowering organization. >> thank you so much. amind it ironic that i called to be for the voiceless when i have not had a voice for 20 -- twice for hours. as a physician, and a woman, i how beinglustrate pro-life is per woman. -- movement shares the scientific truth with women about their body and fertility. that the moment the egg and sperm fusing and the woman still be in two, a unique human being is formed with dna and place

that determines everything from gender to eye color. immediately after conception this new human embryo develops rapidly as it travels down the fallopian tube before imprinting itself in the lining of the woman's uterus at seven to 10 days of age. i mention this because many medical organizations try to obfuscate this information. they do this because there are some forms of hormonal birth control and iuds that may prevent implantation of this newly formed human being area causing an early abortion. science shows us life begins at conception. as pro-life people, we need to share this truth with women. point, being pro-life is pro-woman because the pro-life movement affirms what is unique and special about every woman in all phases of her life. personally and professionally, as a daughter, mother, a sister, a single person, or a married woman.

as a physician, i have seen the the segment of society that does the opposite. this does not affirm the dignity of women but convinces women that in order to be equal to men we need to be just like them, free to have sex without pregnancy. their livesed in professionally they need to delay having children or if they get pregnant, destroy their unborn baby. this does not empower women. it values -- devalues or -- what what the woman makes women unique. we need to share the fact about their fertility. finally, being pro-life is pro-woman because the pro-life

movement supports women who experience an unexpected pregnancy. it is critical for women to know they have real options that affirm their gift as women. this can make a difference how women choose life not only that often. let me close by sharing the stories of two young women. ich in their early 20's. changed their names to protect their privacy. anna was an immigrant who worked hard to earn money to send her family back home. lori was a college student with dreams of being a doctor like me. both of these women were my patients. they came to my health care centers fearing they might be testsnt and laboratory confirmed it. the expressed shock and disbelief. reaction as she burst into tears saying she did not have the money to have a baby. nor could she afford to lose her job. laura reacted similarly even though she and her boyfriend had planned to get married and have

a family, she was terrified that a baby would defer those dreams. it was my job to care for both patients, the mother and the baby. we will do everything to care for both of them and support the dreams of these women. i had conversations with their boyfriends. anna's boyfriend said he would do whatever he could. he wouldoyfriend said support what laura chose to do. they chose different things. anna chose to have her baby and sadly, lori chose to have an abortion. how did impact them? back a -- anna came couple years later, happy as can be. she and her boyfriend had gotten married. they were making it work. broke up.er boyfriend the stress of her abortion was too great. she give up her dreams of being a doctor.

these beautiful women in this beautiful woman and her baby fell victim to one of the great lies of society. abortion does not set a woman free. in summary, being pro-life is pro-woman because the pro-life movement shares the scientific truth with women. the pro-life movement affirms what is unique about women in all stages of her life and the movement supports women. being pro-life is pro-woman. thank you. >> ok. we are getting close to the end. stick with us. up offe woman is made incredibly dedicated individuals who work day in and day out to build a culture of life in our country. i will start reading off some of the different organizations that will join me right now by their representative on stage. welcome honor to

campaign for life, heritage action, heritage foundation, human life international, knights of columbus, march for life action, movie to movement, national committee for the human life amendment, national religious broadcasters, national right to life, online for life, priest for life, republican national committee, susan b the religious liberty commission, silent no more, students for life, traditional family property, pregnancy resource center of life,a, 40 days for alliance defending freedom, american association of christian schools, american conservative union, americans united for life and then there were none, catholic university, center for ethics and culture, center for bioethics and human

, the christian legal society, christian medical association, concerned women for forum, family research council, feminists for life, focus on the family, and thank you very much. [applause] we will ask you to exit quickly. thank you so much. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

>> if i can ask you not to please throw any trash on the ground. second, the knights of columbus from virginia will be collecting donations for the march for life along constitution avenue. please be generous. we have some ominous snowflakes starting to fall. before we begin the march, i would like to close the rally in prayer. after prayer, we will have caitlyn who will lead us in god bless america. i would ask you to welcome to the stage a great pro-life leader, the president of the ethics and religious baptistof the southern convention. >> lord, as we march today, we

pray that we will not have to march for long. we pray that our children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren will not have to march for life because we pray that life will be protected and that life will be cherished all over this land. we pray for a day when this march will be unnecessary because this country will receive children not as burdens but as blessings. when this country will welcome and protect women in crisis and we pray that we will receive all people regardless of stage of conception or disability as made in the image of god. lord, as we march, we pray for confidence not been our numbers, not in our poll numbers, not in our strength, but in the confidence that the light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not, the darkness will not, the darkness cannot overcome it.

lord, we are here of many faiths and some of no faith, but i pray this in the name of my lord, jesus christ. amen. [cheers] >> let's all hold hands as we saying god bless america -- aying god -- sayining god bless america. ♪ from the mountains to the prairies ho the oceans wide wit america, my home sweet home

my home sweetica, home ♪ [applause] -- god bless you. march for life! ♪ >> on this 43rd anniversary of roe v wade, we take a look at the national debate over abortion in this morning's washington journal. about donna crane talks two current supreme court cases that have to do with women's reproductive rights and then i look at planned parenthood's lawsuit against the center for medical progress in its role in undercover videos that purported to show planned

parenthood profiting from the sale of a boarded field tissue -- fetal -- all boa the aborted fetal tissue. lawmakers share their thoughts adem the issue of roe v. w earlier this week. is donna crane, vice president for policy at naral pro-choice america. a couple supreme court cases coming up that involve abortion. what are they and what is naral's position? guest: there are two important cases. one pertains to abortion and the other is reproductive rights for sure. the first case will have a look at the texas is law that some of your viewers might remember wendy davis made famous with her filibuster. the texas law closes abortion providers and a very deliberate way by imposing so many regulations on them that they

cannot possibly stay in practice . the law has gone partially into effect and has closed more than half of the providers in texas. if it goes fully into effect, nk, lessll be, we thi than 10 abortion providers in the state. what happens with the supreme court case does not just affect texas women. it could have effect on women across the country. there are abortion bans with a softer name. the second case deals with contraception. you might recall the affordable care act make sure that every health care plan must add concert poster -- contraception without an added cost. some people may remember the hobby lobby case. this is a second set of challenges. the question is here -- does your boss have a right to decide whether you the employee can have come to hous contraceptivee ar or not?

host: let's go back to the texas case for a minute. is it unreasonable to say a medical provider needs to be licensed by a local hospital? guest: absolutely. not unreasonable to have safety regulations. as a medical procedure, abortion is regulated as any other procedure would be. there are plenty of state and federal laws that make sure health care safe. however, the texas law and similar ones across the country are actually targeted specifically at abortion providers and add regulations that are not in any way related to whether that care is safe. thenumber of parking spaces clinic has, how big the janitors closet is, those kinds of things will not in any way enhance women's health or their safety. they are all about looking at what restrictions we abortion provider cannot possibly meet and then imposing them only on

abortion providers with a full purpose of closing their doors. host: the second case -- the aca case. if you're going to work for thos the little sisters of the poor, don't you expect you would agree with their positions on issues? guest: actually, no. the little sisters of the poor are a good example because they employ people of all faith and no faith. the mission that they undertake serves people of all face and no faith. this is not a religious enterprise. this is very much a social service organization. we wholly respect the fact that the women themselves or a boss himself might have personal views about contraception. we totally believe that they should be able to carry those beliefs out in their own personal life. i would be the first person defend a boss who says i do not agree with contraception. that is how you will carry about your personal life. we do not agree that in their capacity as a employer that if

they are not a religious organization, and they are not. they are carrying out a secular mission. it is not right to impose those views on someone else. that is where the right of conscience ends. host: would you have a problem with the catholic church did not pay for contraception with their health care? guest: i think that's a very different question. if you're are looking at an explicitly religious organizations like a church, i think that's a different question. it's not even at issue here because the policy does already exempt churches. secularalking about organizations that hire people who might or might not agree with that. they are carrying out a secular social service system. if you are a nurse or a home health care aide, you're not necessarily following the religious teachings of that employer. it is becoming a bigger issue by the way as catholic facilities are buying up more and more hospitals around the country,

acquiring general hospitals and other kinds of hospitals. do we feel comfortable having them impose their beliefs on largest loss of employees and clients? host: have you ever attended the march for life? guest: inadvertently i have. i got caught in traffic in the best way to get out of it is to march. host: is there any middle ground between naral and a pro-life organization? guest: the american public is vastly pro-choice all th. seven out of 10 americans want abortion to be safe and legal. what we find is that our opponents are not just antiabortion. if they were, they would actually agree with us that we can do a lot more in the area of contraceptive coverage and sex education to actually help prevent unintended pregnancies.

it would therefore reduce the need for abortion. i feel very much that is where the common ground is and we certainly invite our opponents to join us there. we also believe that is where the vast majority of americans are. host: how did you get involved in this policy issue? guest: i've always been passionate about this issue. i remember be much younger and talking to my mom about it. i've never dream that someone in my generation would have to fight this fight. but here we are. it's an extremely important year. i do not think i've seen so much of that state -- so much at stake with a puzzled jewel -- the present selections -- presidential elections and the supreme court nominations coming up. it's exciting time with a lot at stake. host: there's an article this morning and "the washington times." what it talked about is that younger women are more pro-life rather than pro-choice.

" nancy keenan, the former naral president, saying she was troubled by the intensity gap between older women and millennials. she is saying that a lot of millennials are on the pro-life side. guest: that is certainly not accurate. the americanound the marylan league and anecdotally is that younger people are more pro-choice and more respectable of the diverse the of families we have in america and are more tolerant of lgbt writes and women's rights. we have seen a resurgence of feminism in recent years, which is great news i as well. we do not agree that there is a generational issue. we find younger americans are more pro-choice. we find that younger americans care about a broad swath of issues.

women like my mom's generation and older had personal expenses when abortion was illegal. that probably and prints you -- imprints you and a different way. it is not more or less, but different. i can tell you as someone who speaks to a lot of different rooms that i've never seen such intense interest on the part of young people. host: donna crane is our guest and is the vice president of naral pro-choice america. maureen in indianapolis is the first up. go ahead. now, murder is called a medical procedure. --iewed that to our video that to our video where planned parenthood employees, doctors, etc. were drinking wine and eating lunch and discussing how they are going to harvest organs the best way.

i can't think of anything more inhumane than 55 million unborn babies getting slaughtered by women like you. maybe the holocaust. no, it's worse than the holocaust. it is unbelievable. host: that is maureen in minneapolis. two issues there -- the use of the term murder, slaughter, and the videos that our next guest put out. guest: i certainly respect the fact that we disagree. in no way, shape, or form is legal abortion murder. that is what we believe strongly . i would also comment that it's very important to understand that fetal tissue donation is a very important ethical and legal option for women who are ending

pregnancies. fetal tissue has led to important advances in scientific research. this is entirely proper and legal and ethical. i'm proud to consider myself an ally of planned parenthood, which conducts proper health care services and meets the very highest standards of ethics and quality. we certainly disagree. host: dan is in new hampshire on the democrat line. you are on with donna crane of naral. caller: good morning. perhaps your guest could do a little tutorial on lady parts. conception is an unobservable moment in time. it could come anywhere between copulation and six weeks when a woman realizes she is pregnant. for her rights on something that

you don't even know is silly. if you outlaw abortion, you can always go to mexico where they investigate miscarriages. they prosecute women in mess carriages. -- miscarriages. peru,r instance in 11-year-old girl was forced to have a baby because they outlawed abortion. a separate question for you next guest and i hope that you do not let him slide on it -- the last caller talked about murder. how about the guy that shot up the clinic and repeated the next guest claimed that they were chopping up body parts? that is murder. host: any response for that caller, donna crane? guest: thanks very much for the observation. i share your sense of dismay and irony that there are some on the other side who believe abortion is murder but also are prepared to use any means possible in

exercising their rights. i think really the most isortant fact in this debate that without the right to control our own bodies and to make our own private decisions and our families on if and when to have children that women cannot participate fully in society. we cannot realize our full potential. families don't drive and communities don't thrive. is a slaves to our biology terrible thing to do and a progressive society. keeping abortion safe and legal and making sure contraception is widely available -- these are critical protections that we have to keep in place if women are going to be full partners in society. that is the most important thing about this debate. host: hey ralph put out is -- naral put out a state-by-state report card on abortion rights. hy is it that hawaii gets

na minus in a state like massachusetts gets a c plus? several states get an f. guest: we are very proud of this research c. some of the states may surprise you. some states may seem progressive, but their legislatures are not as progressive in the case of women's rights. we weigh the different laws on the books and states and we tally them up. there are some states that have what we call refusal laws, which allow for health-care corporations to refuse to provide certain services. other states have really progressive loss and we simply bounce them out. host: california is the only state on your list to get an a plus. guest: that is right. as a california native, i'm very proud of that. host: bill is coming in from pittsburgh. caller: good morning. i'm calling because it have all spent the last 43 years

basically watching two sets of extreme views, i would say extremist, talking past each other on this issue. that a womanelt should have the opportunity to plan when she would have her children. but at the same time, at some point, you do end up ending a human life. ask if your guest -- at what point during the just station process -- just station gestation process does it become homicide? guest: i would never use the word homicide. the supreme court looked at this question when they issued the

road the way decision in 1973. wade decision in 1973 and we agreed with the court in that time. the pregnancy involves the progression of life. atn a pregnancy is viable that point, the state has a greater interest in protecting the potential for life. decision says that states can restrict or ban abortion after that point. that is this basically the law of the land across the state today. women can only terminate pregnancies at that point if there's something in the pregnancy that threatens her life for her health. that is something we agree with you w, we think that's a reasonable decision. it is also worth saying that the american public agrees. seven in 10 americans believe abortion should be safe and legal and that is the proper balance of rights. host: it was 43 years ago today

that the roe v wade case was decided by the spring court. c-span put on a program called "weimar landmark cases," and one of the cases was the roe v wade case. because of the anniversary, we are replaying this "landmark cases: roe v wade" tonight at 6:30 p.m. eastern on c-span. arlene is on our washington, d c democrat line. caller: good morning. i want to make a comment. if i could, i will ask a question as well. i find it surprising that there is even a debate about whether your employer can be involved in your reproductive rights. i would think it would be a can akin to be hired by naral

and saying they had everyone on birth control and all the employees should have an abortion. of course that would not happen because naral is pro-choice. but that would be an employee or being involved in your abortion -- i'm sorry, in your reproductive rights. naral ison was if going to do a primary endorsement like planned parenthood did? thank you. guest: do you mean in the present election? caller: yes. guest: naral has proudly endorsed hillary clinton for president. yes, indeed. host: why? guest: first of all, let me say that we are very lucky that we approaches -- fully pro-choice candidates on the democratic side. stake with the supreme court and all the restrictions that our opponents are trying to impose on reproductive freedom, we think it is very clear that hillary

clinton stands head and shoulders above others on her commitment to this issue. she has always put women from center in our governing philosophy and she will be a leader on this issue as president. host: do you have to be pro-choice to work at naral? guest: that's a great question. i'm confident that everyone who works at naral is pro-choice come about perhaps the more interesting settle the is does everyone personally believe they might choose abortion if they were confronted with that question? that is really the difference between us and the other side. we actually would support a woman who makes that decision. just as fiercely support a woman who says that is not the decision i will make for myself, but i'm not prepared to let anyone else make that decision for me. so yes, probably pro-choice, but your views on abortion and your family are your own. host: does naral receive federal money? guest: no, naral does not

receive federal money. host: what is your relationship with planned parenthood? guest: we are proud to stand as an ally with planned parenthood as our sister organization. host: but separate? guest: totally separate. host: is it necessary for planned parenthood to receive federal money? guest: absolutely. land parenthood is one of the most important, respected, and vital providers of women's health services in the whole country and they are absolutely essential to the net worth of health care that i'm a content available to them. akron, on thein independent line. go ahead, sir. caller: a couple of comments. she needs to understand that if you say your progressive or living in a progressive society, that's euphemism for communism for starts. i also want to ask her, but you

took my question in front of me. i want to know how they are funded if not funded federally? is ay planned parenthood great provider for women's health care, all they do is an abortion factory. they do not do anything else. there are no mammograms. all they are is an abortion factory. they charge women money and then get money for the aborted fetuses. to stand there and say that is what you stand for is great. i think you're right to choose is fine, but i do not want to have federal government pay for it. i'm glad to look at your report card and see that georgia has an f. host: why are you against abortion? the second part of that question the play devil's advocate -- why do you feel you have a right to tell a woman she cannot have an abortion? caller: i did not mention that at all. i said everyone does have a

right to choose. my issue is having the federal government subsidize it. host: thank you, sir. i apologize for mischaracterizing your statement. guest: thank you very much for your comments. i appreciate the fact that you are pro-choice. yourfraid to say that characterization of planned parenthood services simply is not true. i have applied to planned parenthood for contraceptive services. the vast majority of what planned parenthood does is preventive health care. they are also a proud abortion provider, but that is not factually accurate. the reason they are so vital is because this is where women can go for not only abortion services, but for contraceptive services. we should all agree that is vitally important whatever side of the abortion question we are on. to the question of federal funding, we will simply have to disagree about that. abortion is a constitutional right. it's a uniquely important havece that women need to available.

without it, we cannot participate fully in society. the supreme court looked at that question and said it's that important. constitutional rights do not depend on how much money you make in this country or where you get your health insurance. some women do get the health insurance through the government. it is just not appropriate than for politicians to step in and say, well, we will support the service but not that service. that is a two-tiered system where rich women get access to some kind of health care and other women don't. that is, i think, fundamentally un-american and i hope you will reconsider that. host: how is naral funded? guest: with private donations and foundations. host: harry in iowa, a republican. ander: good morning thank you for c-span. thank you for having the program today on the national right to life.

i hope that god is with everybody in the east coast as we face this blizzard and that everyone remains safe. i am a charter member of lutherans for life. i was an ordained pastor. having a troubled pregnancy and the doctor said to come in and just have the products of conception removed. daughterour child, our five months and her mother's womb. receive ourable to child's body for burial because

it was a product of conception. i'm a charter member of lutherans for life and kansas right to life. i was serving at a parish and kansas. i had anorward to now, invitation to visit with pope francis. sentutheran church president matthew harrison to washington, d.c. host: let's wrap this up and make your final statement. caller: i was in d.c. with senator grassley and senator cruz on pro-life work. a pro-choice man and his wife ,ook me and my daughters kidnapped me and attempted to shoot me an stab me. i'm a witness protection. host: we are going to leave your comments there. the march for life is today.

atwill be live online c-span.org. you will be able to watch it later on the air. it will be live online at c-span.org. maryland democrats lives. caller: good morning, peter. this drives me crazy. i'm a 79-year-old woman who was married and had four children and for live births. i lost a husband to domestic violence and he deserted our children. i moved to another state and refused to pay child support. i raise two jobs to pay for my children. i get so angry when i hear men calling up in men most of the time when there's a pregnancy, they don't take any responsibility for them. they desert their girlfriends and then the woman has to make a decision. no woman wakes up in the morning and decides she's gone to change her haircolor and have an abortion. when did women's reproductive

rights become a political football? i get so sick of men. you don't get pregnant. you don't carry children. you don't give birth. i get so sick of men every time the subject comes up in most of the calls this morning have come from men. this is not the 17th century. we are not the property of our fathers. we are smart. we are independent. we are courageous. e and we have a right to make our own decision. it is a decision between a woman, her god, and her doctor . the bible says we all stand before god to be judged. thank you very much. guest: thanks for a for your courage and your comments. it is no surprise that i wholeheartedly agree that pregnancy and the decision around pregnancy, especially unplanned pregnancies, but profoundly impact women and

their ability to participate fully in society and to raise healthy families. this is a profoundly personal and fundamental ability to the whole people. it's a decision that has to reside with us and whomever we choose to consult. thank you for your bravery. host: does the father in your view have a right to opinion or voice and it comes to having an abortion? guest: i absolutely believe that women should consult with their partners if that is appropriate for them. in many cases, that is exactly what happens. in some cases, it's not. i believe that when women make that decision about whom to consult, they are wise about it. they know who is going to give them good advice. at the end of the day, the decision has to be there's -- has to be theirs. host: wasn't that recently a frozen embryo case? what did you think of the outcome of that case? onst: i would rather comment

what i find most interesting about that case. right to life organizations step in and try to influence whether the embryos were preserved or not. i find that very fascinating because it tells me that those organizations are not just antiabortion. is trying to about influence families to shape them to look only the way they feel comfortable. i do not think anyone among us or certainly anyone reasonable among us would believe that a frozen as embryo is akin to murder. this is about controlling how families choose to grow. that is a space that no other person should have a right to get into. host: what is naral doing today while the march is going on at the mall? guest: there are members of congress making floor statements, but mostly we are busy organizing and communities across the country and looking forward to the spring court cases coming up this year and organizing for the president will race.

-- thenterested presidential race. host: helene, texas. caller: it is now oklahoma. don't ever apologize because you do not misinterpret the statement of that man's said. -- that that man said. you had every right to say what you have to say because he is dead wrong. andust shows his ignorance the uneducated populace. that first woman who called him, o my lord, please, lady. why don't you go to one of those clinics and inform yourself first of all? i would advise all those people for the right to life, go ahead, go to the hospitals, and comfort those babies who are born to addicted mothers, all right?

become foster parents to all those unwanted children that are being born, all right? cry overand more and the cousin of the child that has and abused and neglected dies a miserable, horrible death. i will tell you. in oklahoma, that occurs on a daily basis. crane, for you, miss your call demeanor even if you are being called a murderer. you are the perfect vice president for your organization because, yes, indeed, they do offer health care. the health care system is so broken in the united states, even though i president has been trying hard. kil: all right, and either , it's time for cynthia. go ahead with your question or comment for donna crane of naral. caller: i have three questions

that take about 15 seconds. there are one million people who would like to adopt children. my second question is what percentage of abortions save the life of the mother? the third question is do you believe that a fertilized egg is a person if left alone to develop? host: before we get donna crane's answer, do you believe that a fertilized egg is a person is left to develop? caller: sure. host: but why? caller: they become a person. it's common sense. host: donna crane? guest: i will take them in reverse order. i believe a fertilized egg has the potential to become a person. i believe it is not a fully developed person.

abortions thatof are necessary for the life of the woman is very small. for the health of the woman, it's larger. for all the other reasons that woman would feel strongly that at that moment in time that she cannot bring a child into the world, it is much larger than that. i enthusiastically support adoption services. naral would be the first organization to defend them if they were under attack the way legal abortion is under attack. as a woman feel strongly that is the course she wants to choose, if she has a planned or unplanned pregnancy, we applaud her and we defend that right. host: the next call for donna crane comes from jerry and george appeared -- in georgia. you are on "washington journal." caller: thank you a much. i want to make a comment and i have a question. the comment is that i grew up in a baptist church in south georgia.

they get all riled up about wastion, but the church within rockthrowing distance of children living in dire poverty and they would do nothing about it. my question is why did the european countries and other civilized countries not have this problem? guest: that's a great question. thank you very much. i'm afraid that i do not feel like i have a lot of expertise about the european countries and how they approach this issue. that i'veknow is experienced a lot of what you have observed. i'm i see sorry to hear that about your local church. lots ofe certainly church that do the opposite and take good care of people living in poverty. that said, it's really distressing that the people on the other side of this debate so frequently seem to think that there is a right to life until birth. after that, you're on your own. these are the people that do not step forward and urge the

government to spend more money or, let's say, the appropriate amount of money for education and health care and programs that would actually helped lift poor children and families out of poverty. there is a real hypocrisy there and it is really distressing. host: what did you think of the iden andhat david dela his group put out about fetal tissue sales with planned parenthood? guest: i did watch all the videos. i think certainly any kind of explicit talk about medical procedures is difficult to watch. it seems quite clear now that the videos were doctored. we have not seen the full context. it has been pretty thoroughly to accredited -- discredited, which seems like a what -- it was intended to do. i think our opponents for years have wanted to try to bar planned parenthood for

participating in many health care programs. this seems like another piece of ammunition in that battle. host: you referred to the pro-life movement as opponents. again, we are going to go back that there are two sides with no shared space. guest: i think there is shared space. andink that mr. delaiden his colleagues are the fringe of that movement. when you talk to most americans, they believe that abortion should be safe and legal and we could be doing a lot more to help women with health care and information so that we can prevent as much as possible the need for abortion. there will always be a need for the abortion and we will defend it. we have an unusually high pregnancy rate and there's more we can do about that co. host: please go ahead with your question or comment for donna crane of naral. caller: how are you doing? good morning.

and i'mndependent pretty much a progressive. i'm a fiscal conservative. pro-choice. i think that's a no-brainer. i do not think anybody should have the right to tell another human being what they can do with her body and with their own property. if i paint a picture and i want to take it into my backyard and burn it in a pile, that's my right to do so. i cannot go to my neighbor's house and take their painting off the wall and burn it. that is against the law. but i should be able to do whatever i want with my own property. pro-choice, no-brainer. i also heard your guest, you asked the guest if her organization was backing a candidate for president. she said yes, hillary clinton. then you asked her why, and she

kind of hesitated for quite a while. but i think it is obvious the reason she is backing hillary clinton is because hillary clinton is a woman. i am for women's rights 100%. but she said feminist them is -- them and is having a resurgence and she thought that was a great thing. maybe in some respects, it is. i think a lot of feminist today are different from the feminist of before. to remember many of the feminist from the 1950's, 1960's, and 1970's. are going to leave it there and get a response from donna crane. guest: let me clarify the record. there is no hesitation whatsoever. we are probably supporting hillary clinton for president.

her gender does not especially make a difference. it is the leadership she has shown throughout -- throughout her life. she has made women central to her philosophy and we believe she will be a leader on this issue and gender does not matter much one way or the other. host: you said all three democratic candidates you can see supporting. guest: they are all pro-choice, which is a great thing to have happen. i would love to see pro-choice candidates on the republican side. that is not the case this year, but i would love to see that. , this is what she puts on her twitter feed. asks the question, explain the double side -- double homicide issue please. guest: i could guess at what that might mean. it is possible what she is referring to is a series of laws

in which when a woman who is pregnant is harmed there are considered to be two independent legal victims of that crime. we fully believe when a pregnant woman is harmed, that is worse and the penalty should reflect that additional severity, the brutality of that crime. we don't believe there are two legal victims in that case because primarily those types of laws are offered by our opponents as they are looking to change the legal foundation of abortion rights by creating what we might call personhood rights and creating legal tension. we believe those crimes should be punished fully. but we don't believe they should abortiontangled in the debate which is what happens we identify a second legal person. host: when a man decides to tell you his view on abortion, does

he have a right? guest: definitely. he is an american citizen or a world citizen. he has the right to an opinion. does he have the right to have his view supersede mine if i'm making a personal decision? no, a woman does not either. democrat,yn, chicago, you have the last word with donna crane. caller: good morning and thank you. profession, with any tissue the donor has to sign a release. in the catholic hospital, you have a choice. you went out and found another place to have an abortion. i witnessed women getting abortions in the alleys coming into us and dying. i am so sad to hear all of this

stuff being brought up again. malelso, what happens to contraception? thank you. host: evelyn, before you hang a, could you explain what you meant by your medical profession? what was your position? caller: i am a registered nurse. i came to chicago to take the specialty. i entered the hospice unit. i have 45 years of all of this. host: prior to 1973, and in 1973 you were 41 years old, had you -- what experience had you had seeing the results? where did women go for so-called illegal abortions at that time? alleys, a lot of them came to the alleys. host: do you mean a doctor who would do that or somebody who was not a doctor?

caller: this was all illegal. i don't know. a midwife? i have no idea. we used to have quite a few of those. host: that is evelyn in chicago. guest: thank you very much for your courage. host: donna crane is the vice president for policannouncer: "" continues. host: david daleiden is the founder of center for medical progress. what is that group? guest: it is an organization of citizen journalists. we monitor and report on medical advances with a special emphasis on bioethical issues that impact human dignity. host: you are known for the so-called planned parenthood tapes. guest: i am. host: are you antiabortion or pro-life? guest: i am a proud pro-lifer. host: where did you get the idea of interviewing planned parenthood people about fetal tissue? released the time we

the first tape, it had been about 15 years since the issue of baby parts trafficking had been part of the national discourse. there was a seminal exposé done on that particular topic in 1999-2000. unfortunately, it kind of got buried in the mainstream media at that time. i first found out about that about five years ago. i was really struck by this paradox i feel is at the heart of it. on the one hand in our country, the baby fetus, their humanity is not considered to be equal to our own in order to be totally protected by the law from being killed by abortion. but at the same time, it is precisely that humanity of theirs that is completely identical to our own that makes them so valuable for scientific extermination and makes planned parenthood and their business partners and researchers hunt after their body parts like very treasured. -- buried treasure.

host: are fetal tissue sales legal? guest: for profit body parts sales of any kind are not legal. host: cecile richards, because of the tapes, this is what she had to say. [video clip] >> planned parenthood has been in the news because of deceptively released videos by a group dedicated to making abortion illegal in this country. this is just the most recent in a long line of discredited attacks over the last 15 years. the latest smear campaign is based on efforts by our opponents to entrap our doctors and clinicians into breaking the law. and once again, our opponents failed. to set the record straight, i want to be clear on four matters. first, using fetal tissue in life-saving medical research is legal according to the 1993