a new poll by cbs shows points different between hillary hunton and bernie sanders --.ted many stories take a look at a run considered by michael bloomberg. editors of the wall street journal note that he would not spend time or money in such an effort if he did not sense an what type ofreater -- what others write

something to the position or what a political outsider like bernie sanders take a new approach to this position? you can include michael bloomberg in that next as well. the best choice for the white house, what do you think? it's one week out from the iowa caucuses. the latest polling you can find on the real clear politics website. this was done by cbs news. this is taking a look at the caucuses.

it, it comes to pulling donald trump leads with 39% of those polled. rubiouz has 34% and marco at 13%. 46% overlinton has bernie sanders at 47%. when it comes to the iowa caucuses, the des moines register looks at whether, the conditions on caucus date next monday. that is according to the des moines register. hascasts show caucus night a 50% chance of being warmer than normal.

that takes a look at some of the actual weather on caucus day. when it deals with outsiders versus establishment, stories this isthose top and the washington times this gop is choosing sides. of endorsed mr. from -- comp.

there are other stories this morning. we are comparing how they are doing on the trail. how would they fit in the white house? would you want someone with a longtime political background? here is how you can let us know. we will start with rate in pennsylvania. what do you think? would you rather have an established politician? caller: i am in favor of rand

paul. 1800s, he had all of these things that he laid out his preconditions. it was to make capitalism sick. you have to have families. you have to have freedom of association. compared ted cruz to george washington. i think rand paul is more like george washington. i think thatof it's really essential that we have somebody that really believes in liberty and capitalism and understands that socialism makes liberty sick. host: do you view him as an outsider? caller: it goes back to his

father somewhat. he believes in liberty. likelks about something foreign aid. only one third of millions vote for that. host: arthur is in new york. tell us what you think. caller: good morning. it depends on what you mean by establishment and out later. -- outsider. , i don't know. i don't know if it's pumping ted cruz or bernie sanders who i think is on the right side. if someone is unable to get one , he is not able to

get one person in his colleagues to support him, i am not sure i justmuch faith if he is bashing everybody else. it all hencome for talks about is low income. someone whoy as listens to people. she has been on the outside listening to the people. disagree that someone with , werience and knows people can't like her. i disagree totally. candidates, two what is the better fit for the white house? caller: hillary clinton of worse. it speaks a lot to sexism in the united states that somebody who

is the most qualified person to ever assume the office of president is denied. i don't like the way the mainstream media has been reporting her. there was one point that said he is a point ahead and i will there were two that said she was nine point ahead and those not reported. they are trying to make ratings. host: that's arthur. you may have to find a definition or tell us what you think about what those are we respond. tells the better fit for the white house. we will go to oklahoma.

this is wanda on the republican line. you are on paid go ahead. what do you think about the longtime candidate versus the outsider? caller: i think being the establishment is not a contract. i think it is a plus. my fit is marco rubio. he has a senator. quality which is vital good he has a warm. he makes friends rather than enemies. he is going to have to work with congress, whether you like congress or don't. that's going to be very important. i believe marco rubio will be able to do that. he knows his way around washington. he knows the congressional.

i think he would be a very good at dealing with them. he is going to have to. he is a highly intelligent man. he has a quick wit. he has a strong man. he is a fighter. worlde deals with leaders, he has got to have a quality that the front runner does not have. host: that was wanda in oklahoma. as carol from better. don't forget you can respond on their. will try to run some facebook posts as well. from little river south carolina, the next call is mark.

i believe now is a time for the outsider. i believe when donald trump gets the democrats are all going to work with him. all we hear about every day for the last seven years on c-span the republicans came in and they said they are not going to work with obama. he is going to be a one term president. think thatmakes you things will change with donald trump? caller: the democrats complained about it every day. one would have to assume they

complaining the republicans were against the president and they will work with the president. this is going to be a wonderful presidency for donald trump. all the democrats are going to work with them because they got tired of everybody not working with president obama. host: hillary clinton was asked about this on the sunday shows. this is from a recent column. it talked about her potential. this is what she had to say. >> i have to tell you. , can only react what i'm doing getting responses from the i feel great. we have a level of enthusiasm that we have. we have a really good team on the ground. the him working for months to make sure it's not just here today, gone tomorrow.

we believe they are going to, caucus. elation is entertaining. we're going to move forward and do the work we think is going to be successful february 1. >> are you worried your resume is not an asset? >> nope. i'm really not. at the end of the day, people take seriously. they are voting for the person they prefer. thereeve when i am out talking with people about what we have to go up against, is the ,conomy working for everybody we need to deal with health care , i will let what i intend to do to get there, i can only tell you i see people nodding.

i know you are signing up they leave my events. that's matters. this is very personal and people think can we imagine this is an to be as it? -- is the? -- president? i think really take that into account. host: robert is up next. good morning. caller: host: let's move on to james. caller: thank you for taking the. i just want to say that the -- it's just the same. it's relatively the same politics.

outsiders are what are so important. when it comes to what you believe in what look at, is the outsider you are looking for? for me, it has to be more left-wing. that's why i am voting for a sanders and it helped me are not the establishment. it's the same type of lobbyists. you get the same thing done. you can post on facebook. have a couple of responses.

if you want to make your thoughts on facebook, there are about 170 responses so far. you can post on as well. what is the best choice for the white house? stephen from new york is on the republican line. as far as the bush the difference between democrats and republicans is the global warming issue.

have magnet in the earth. how much goes into the atmosphere? democrats say global warming is the biggest issue. the suffer in this country. they are the ones who need the handouts. that's the problem. imagine you are not from york city. what do you think about michael bloomberg getting into the race? he might consider a run for the white house. caller: that makes an interesting campaign. positionsow what his will be on gun control.

our police of not done a good job for us. that is a problem. we need people who care about the country as a whole. the editors of the wall street journal take a look at a possible run by the former new york city mayor. celebrateublicans donald trump, he might find a lane in the middle with ted cruz.

here is main. caller: i have two things to say. is donald trump be the winner. get of the other people can ahead of him, what makes you think they can win? there is no way. president,became everybody believed to the. was he was not right for the presidency. i have a lot of my vision come true.

it was donald trump on the sunday shows yesterday. he talked about a possible run by bloomberg. i know michael very well. i would love to compete against michael. i think you might very well get in the race. guns very opposite me on and the life and a lot of things. i would love for michael to get in the race. i hope does. thinking you are doing well, it would to counterbalance you. >> that's a good thing. he has been a friend of mine over the years. he's wanted to do this for a long time. enough the trigger.

you will see if he does now. would you rather see an establishment person in that role? would you rather see an outsider? we have both in the cycle. james is up next in new jersey. caller: happy new year. thank you for taking my call. insider since.c. 2002. moderate.

bernie sanders has been an insider for 40 years. he says the same thing he's been saying for 40 years. he is not an outsider. he is for us. he is not against us. take care, c-span. curtis is in tennessee on the end of that line. caller: good morning, sir. void -- wrote for any outsider bird i am leaning

towards donald trump. senatoraning toward rubio. after all of these meetings that he's missed, if he can't know up what would he do if he was president? for republicans. i am 69 years old. once they get in their, this may not be true, they are all the same. how can a person spend all that and come out of there with all kinds of money. i would put buses out there and

when they step out of that office, i would take them all to listen. there is crooked stuff going on. host: this is from twitter. can make your thoughts on twitter and facebook. mount vernon, new york, you are next up talking about establishment versus outsiders. good morning. go ahead. i just have to say this. i see donald trump as a nobody. the only person i think is suitable for the white house is leading hillary clinton. -- whatall the proper

should i say -- personality. she is a lady of substance. she has been with leaders in other countries. host: experience is important you? caller: i look at her. she is a lady. it iis how she is suggest have lived in sweden and england i have lived all over the world. it he is a jesuit. he is nothing at all. they just come from the background.

they are lawyers or whatever. somehow, they have no culture. that's what they are lacking. i hear lucifer. these are the people that want to rule the greatest country in the world? host: hi there. caller: how are you this morning? i appreciate the show. i am not a republican or democrat. exxon mobil had an internal document about global warming. just like the tobacco companies.

of course it's happening, wake up. they knew it in the 70's. huntsman never got over 3%. inody is interested qualified people. dependentthe and goes, the powers that be created that fight. host: would you look at huntsman and casey as establishment or outsiders? they are clearly but they are insiders with a soul as opposed to people that ok k street. around, anybody in either camp getting your attention? caller: sanders has been saying

the same thing for 40 years. it is probably the biggest outsider. medic guy.s a prank thinka very good person i deep down inside. thes basically pulling republican primary like a puppet master. he is just trying to get into office. i think like mitt romney, john kasich has the biggest insider of all,. host: let's hear from north carolina. go ahead. caller: good morning.

i want to say that i am a republican. i don't agree with donald trump when he says he can shoot some and stillth avenue have the support of the would vote for him. this sounds like 1939 adolf hitler. i am concerned about that. he is a billionaire. now we have bloomberg that is thinking of an -- coming in to counteract them. do, nowe nothing to they want to jump in and use their money to run our government. it is not like a business. it is to provide services to our

people. talk, dr.me of heated ben carson. seeing him and jeb bush. jeb is not getting the traction because it is name recognition. we need to put another item on the ballot box. richard pryor made the movie and said we should have a line item on the ballot, "none of the above," and really get more people to vote for none of the above. i think this is a big turn off right now. host: what is it about dr. carson you like?

caller: his thoughtfulness. he closes his eyes. he is very cerebral. everything i have listened to and researched, he has been right on the money. "i am the only one who was done something on this stage that no one has done before, in the area of medicine." they hadn't really done anything. cruz and rubio our first term senators, if i am not mistaken. how can you not finish a job to represent your people and you step in and want to be president of the united states. bobby off of twitter centers -- says this.

democrats line. what are you think? what is the best choice for the white house? theer: it is obvious republican party has been wrong about every projection they have made. near depression. obama has brought it back in a big way. hillary will continue the great work he has done. landslidell win by a and the regarded by one of the best presidents in history. host: why her over bernie sanders or martin o'malley? caller: i like bernie sanders it is not realistic. hillary has been in a shorter

time and accomplished much more. herhas a confidant next to and is more experienced at the state department. between her and bill, they know every world leader. the best thing we could have this world cooperation in the face of this terrorism threat. the clintons can get everybody on board and keep us out of wars. we can start fixing our infrastructure. host: the federal government closed today because of the snowfall. you may be home as well joining us. this is the time we talked to viewers about politics. we are asking folks, there's

fithoughts of the best for the white house. if you want to give us a call, 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans. .02-748-8002 for independents you can also post on twitter and our facebook page. bernie sanders was asked about this idea of establishment politician, especially in the race for the white house. [video clip] winsanders: if dollar chunk andf donald trump bloomberg get in, they will be two billionaires. i think we will win that

election. host: dolores on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. fit? what is the best caller: well, i believe it being the outsider is donald trump. i do nothing he's going to do the job. i think he is -- i do not know. i just do not like him. i do not think he is the right choice. my choice would be hillary clinton. she has the experience. she knows what she is talking about. she has been around. her and her husband have in respected. i think she would be the best

choice for president. mistake.ump, a big tim onisconsin, here is our independent line. pedro, how are you doing? this.of people have said deal, theo, the budget deal in congress. terrible, these people. to do thiswe got because this is how government works." fundingnding -- fully planned parenthood and the syrian refugees. ofhink that is at the crux

why these guys are doing so well, trump and sanders. people have to look at the history at what is happened to the democratic party since 1972. using a front to help minorities. that's when they brought in the abortion on demand, homosexual marriage. that has corrupted that party. democratather was a back when the democrats were really a party, strong national defense, family. w the republican party is doing the same thing. host: who has your attention currently? caller: i was for mike huckabee.

he is a realist. he looks like he's not going anywhere. after that, probably rubio. are toocruz and trump edgy. i don't know what they are going to do. compassionate -- i don't know if either one are going anywhere. wisconsin.is tim in editorial by a former senior strategist, david axelrod. trumptes about donald this morning. here is a little bit of what he has to to say. "here's the

host: you can read more this morning in "the new york times." that is by david axelrod. i am a democrat but this year i am going republican with trump. i am highly discourage with the entire establishment. i have been listening to trump. he has been talking about this for many years. go,y state, everywhere i everybody likes him. host: why do you think the time is right for donald trump? caller: it is the outsider. host: what leads you to that? caller: he wants to take

everybody's money. it would be a nightmare. i think it is going to be sanders and trump, and i think trump is going to win. caller: i have decided. i knew it a few years ago when i listened on the radio. host: people, what do they think when they hear that you are voting for donald trump? caller: they're going to vote for donald trump. host: steve in texas, republican line, hi. supporter. trump a point thatade the democratic party has gone so far left. you kid have gone -- you could have gone democrat or

republican. there was no disparity, hardly at all. .e need somebody like trump time, ist -- at one thought it was intentional, the undermining of america. the iran deal. "the money is going to go to the military." i am a reader of people. i do not believe he gives a dang about the money he made. i think he wants to make america great again. i believe the man. he may say some of the silliest things. i believe he is the man for the job.

we know he is the man for business. what is a country without a border? host: michelle on the independent line. good morning. think the hti establishments have gotten us $19 trillion in debt. graduateids who cannot high school even. people are worried about kids going to college. they cannot get a minimum-wage job. an outsider.ed i am afraid of hillary and of bernie. i think some of like john anich, i do not consider him

outsider. he went back to ohio. ohio. to live in he sounds very compassionate and that he would get things done. i like carly fiorina. she has run a large company. we have seen what an inexperienced senator would do. i would not run for a senator. they do not get things done. they are like a professor. hours.lk forr host: a look at the voter i.d. law and a trial taking place over that law currently. it says

host: it goes on and takes a ink at the voter i.d. law north carolina. daniel, democrat's line. i do not like the outsiders. if the congress and senate is not working with the current president, what makes you think they will work with the outsider? obama, president playing chessn

with the world leaders. the republicans always want to go to war. i am for hillary clinton. she has the experience from her husband and secretary of state. i like bernie sanders but i do not think he is strong enough to run the country. that is my personal view. host: largo, florida, this is paul, republican line. caller: i think we need a little bit of both. isnie as president and vp hillary. into secretary of state. browns.of the we already voted twice.

you get them to give us the all of the money we're spending on airplanes and the wars. get the money from the people. host: marco rubio was on the sunday shows yesterday and was asked about his campaign, attacks from establishment republicans along the campaign trail. [video clip] an affirmations of what i have been saying. that is a lot of money. i think that affirms what we had been saying. we have a path to defeating hillary clinton. in the end, voters are going to vote on someone they think is

going to turn this country around. i had to take on the establishment when i ran for the senate. most of the establishment said, you cannot run. $20 million did not come in $50 increments. this is money from big donors. it is part of the process. i think that amount of money confirms what i have been saying all along. we are gaining momentum and support. other candidates view that as a threat and are responding. next.don is we're talking about establishment versus outsiders. caller: i want to thank c-span. look at where we are at right now. good for the children.

corruption. theyton, her husband, bill, after an act to go them like they are dogs. her husband sign the glass-steagall act and nafta. they were looking for mexicans. it was a lie. she said they were broke when they left office. made $100 million, paid back in those speeches. host: are you saying it is time for the outsiders to go into the white house? caller: a long time ago. carter, kennedy were outsiders.

ernie has never gotten rich. these other politicians, their money goes -- they go against us. they forget about us. host: if you go to -- the newspaper talks about a piece about the clinical website and takes look at president obama. he talks about the current .ampaign "clinton is wicked

host: that is based off of the podcast on a political website. the president talking about many things, including campaign 2016. audrey, hi. caller: thank you for taking my call. hillary.for anybody that votes for donald trump, the way he gets out and

curses in the way he says, they are out of their mind to vote for him. i love bernie. woman.-year-old they have always been with the exception of john f. kennedy, bill clinton, and president obama, these three presidents were young. always old, white men. i think bernie sanders needs to go home and rest. host: you are on. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call.. i look get the situation our country is in and i am appalled how the democrats and republicans are not reaching across the aisle. broken and no one

seems to care or listening to the people. as far as the outsiders, if that is what is going to take, then i am all for it. food in my voting -- who and my voting for? i am not sure. came on the scene with some good ideas that people have not talked about, as well as fiorina and planned parenthood. having her on choices. lie is disgusting what they are doing. those outsiders have brought a lot of issues to the forefront. we need to be discussing those

issues. obama to compromise with the party. host: tammy in new mexico. iowa. from caller: i want to make this short and sweet. beingople have to quit good democrats and good republicans and start being good americans. host: established versus outside. caller: outsider. give george carlin was alive, i would vote for him. host: this final tweet off of twitter this morning, adding to the conversation. you can continue on with the conversation on our twitter feed and our face book page.

we will change gears. the snowfall has pretty much brought everything to a halt. the house and senate taking a pause as far as activities. there is still an agenda to accomplish. up next mike lillis will talk about the agenda that house republicans have going into the larger issues of 2016. willlillis from "the hill" join us next as "washington journal" continues. ♪

>> the countdown is on. as we approach the iowa caucuses, we are the only place you can watch these events unfold as they happen. town hall meeting, policy speech, nobody else gives you the unfiltered look at the they worked the crowd's. we are going to be crisscrossing iowa and will be covering all of the candidates and then keep an eye on caucus night itself. we will take you to a republican and democratic caucus. watch c-span if you have ever wondered how it happens. a reporter joins us

to discuss a series of articles for "the post." internet andhe what security faces today. >> as consumers, we are choosing things other than security. we are choosing speed, performance, features. security is somewhere between five and 10 on priorities. security experts will tell you, security really doesn't pay. c-span2.t at 8:00 on host: we will talk about the work of congress in session with

mike lowlands. will the congress work at all, this week? guest: the senate will work, the house has already said no. we are just waiting to see how the storm develops and last night we heard that they will cancel both all week -- votes all week. they do not have to much, anyway, they had disco votes votes pending. the democrats are going to go on to their annual issues retreat, to baltimore. the republicans did this about two weeks ago. they get everybody off of capitol hill into a resort setting with a little more , an easier time for them to sit down in environment that is not capitol hill and it

talk about strategy, messaging, what they will do policy wise, with the presidential year. they get out of town and take a look at the year ahead and find out the strategy. host: as far as the democratic agenda, what do you think is the top of that list? guest: 2016 will be the top of that list, they know they cannot bring any bills to the floor, but they know they have the power of the filibuster and that president obama has the veto. infighting we have seen the past couple of years gives , so theresi leverage is a policy element to that, especially on big spending bills and they will talk about all of those things. 90% of this is going to be messaging, we have an election

to run, and they want to pick up seats in the house, they think a strong presidential contender will bring that ballot. then lines are not drawn in their favor, but they think they can pick up seats and they think they can take the senate, so to enormous things on their plate and they want more leverage. host: how many seats in the senate to overturn? guest: they are looking at six and carry read things they have thinks theyy read have them. there is a bit of a divide in terms of strategy going ahead. republicans control both chambers. is very energized and wants to get out there and say this is what we are going to do if we win the white house, this

will be the policy agenda, we know nothing will pass with president obama in the white house, we'll want to just repeal obamacare, this will be our replacement, we don't want to undo his regulations, these are our regulate -- our replacements. do tax reform and health care reform, that is the house side. mitch mcconnell doesn't want a lot of his guys taking tough votes ahead of election, so he is happy to repeal obamacare. they don't have to put anything on the table and own it because if you replace obamacare, you have to come up with a lot of money's you have to cut things like medicare and medicaid, unpopular with seniors who vote. you are seeing a little bit of a divide between paul ryan in the house and mitch mcconnell in the senate, that will be interesting to watch as the new year's eve ball's, strategy right -- strategy was. host: numbers on the screen if

you want to give us a call. republicans, democrats, and independents, give us a call. there is that is there a division between those who would support hillary clinton and those who with fort bernie sanders, is there an internal struggle as far as support for the candidate? guest: we did a story a few weeks ago asking the questions it bernie sanders is unelectable because you hear this from a lot ,f people, a socialist democrat too far left, out of the mainstream of the democratic party, but he believes everything that nancy pelosi and harry reid -- it is the same agenda, item by item. what is your agenda, there is not a lot of daylight between hillary clinton and bernie sanders on the issues. going back over the years, they

have had policy differences, but i think it you ask bernie sanders, if you gave him some truth serum, he would be surprised that he has done so well. togot into the selection pull over clinton's of the left and a fact that he -- she is attacking him on gun reform and issue like that means that he has already won the debate. he has done what he set out to accomplish, his success surprises even him. he is riding the wave wherever he -- wherever it takes him. go back to the senate and fight for what he was fighting for the last 40 years. two house democrats have endorsed bernie sanders, the heads of the progressive caucus and keith ellison from minnesota. bernie sanders is a founding

member of the progressive caucus, no surprise there. over 130 people who have endorsed hillary clinton, though it is not even a contest. all those dynamics are up in the air, but democrats like bernie, they like hillary, they are pretty much on the same page so they're not really any disagreements. host: (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 four republicans. for independents. our guests has covered a wide variety of topics, one of the hitting health care and one of those messaging bills on the republican side.

look atvote taking a obamacare, what is the vote this time and why? they just repealed it and this is significant because it passed the senate and it is a procedural move really only needed to get a regular majority. obama's desk, the first time since 2010 that he has had to veto a repeal obamacare bill. back tock -- he came the house, if they had not canceled the vote, they would try to overturn it. they need to hundred 90 to override the veto, almost everybody knew that it would not pass, but in the election year, it is a messaging bill. they celebrated it with a big photo op after they sent it to the president's desk.

they are taking small victories and trying to blow it up in the headlines and say if we get the white house in 2017, this is what we will do for you. as far as paul ryan is concerned, will we see more of these messages? will this be a regular occurrence? that all year see long, there is not a lot they have to do because of what happened last fall. john boehner really cleaned the bar out with what he said he would do and he did a pretty good job of it. they don't have to deal with debt ceiling or a highway bill. before theve to do elections is appropriations bills and you can see them just packaging those. the end of september is there a deadline, about a month before the election. you can see them not wanting to take a tough vote on the spending bills to they can take

that to be on the election. at the same time, paul ryan is a big committee guy, he says we will do this from the bottom up and that is why the conference was so restive, he says he will do it differently. he has headed the budget committee and the ways and means committee, so he will want to do everything through appropriations committees and that will be interesting to watch because the republicans, with their budgets every year, they don't include that they include the sequester level budget cuts which they enacted in 2011. andaw, they have these caps the question is how to we fund the government within them, and the answer is they don't, they bust them every year. liberal and democrats say they still have not fund of the government enough, so you have anger on both sides and this

interest middle that comes together and can pass some big huge spending bill. look for a short-term resolution that will pass in september, get beyond the elections and then ats a bigger spending bill the beginning of the year, but they don't have anything else to do like is here to talk about the agenda and the first call is from evelyn on the democrat line . caller: i'd like to say a couple of things. check he was -- every wanted to be written and everything he wanted, and now the congress won't write any checks for anything and if we saying hp, we will be eil trump. kasich, a lot more with he cut ohio into a thousand

pieces and he gets up and talks about being a president, well i tell you what, he is not going to go up the ladder for one thing, he is a liar when he says the state is debt free and every bill he passed was unconstitutional. check them out and look up his record. he is not worth the powder to blow him to hell. nameepublican party has a and that name is heil trump. initial point which was that the democrats are more willing to work with president if you ask nancy pelosi and harry reid, they would agree , it was something they say all the time and they do this in charging the republicans with being obstructionist and they point to mitch mcconnell's comments early in obama's first

cycle and say his chief goal was not to fund government but to make government -- not make government work better but to make obama a one term president and something they pound over and over again and they go back and point to the wall street bailout where george bush came to congress and nancy pelosi was speaker and a needed those votes and the democratic votes and they gave it to the republican somethingand that is the democrats like to point out, that they were more willing to work with -- across the aisle when the white house was controlled by the other party. republicans have their counter offer, they say that this president is not willing to work with them, he will not compromise, he is a lecturer and when he comes into the room, he doesn't want to compromise across the aisle, he just wants to tell them what to do and how to pass his agenda. two different stories, not surprising it is washington.

believe depends on id -- ideologically's -- ideologies. host: columbus, georgia, independent line. forer: i have a question the guest. i follow politics a little bit -- i made normal middle road thinking type of guy, there is no rocket science into what's going on in our country in regards to the politics right now. i think he mentioned it earlier, trumphow mr. sanders and has come to the forefront of the parties in politics.

primarily because of the general electorate that is angry at what has been going on and a a lot of rhetoric that people have bought into, but in any event, i personally feel that esther sanders is going to get the democratic nomination and mr. trump will probably the his opponent. he has personally alienated so much of society, i just don't see it possible. my question is, if my predictions are right and we are as the at mr. sanders president, how far to the left do you think he would go on the

democratic agenda? you are right, i personally feel as you mentioned, his ideologies are pretty much aligned with the democrats. question and i think the answer is it would not go very far left of the democratic agenda at all. they are basically on the same page. he is an economic populist, he would not change his tune on that. you could expect him to go after wall street. they want to raise the minimum wage to $15, that is across the board. reform,t immigration sanders would want to do that, he has -- he is even talking and reform. look -- listen to him

now, he is in line with the democratic party. i don't think you would see a divide at all, they are very much on the same page. the question is what could he get done what they republican controlled congress. you have the same sick -- the same dynamics as you have right now. president obama is a pretty liberal guy and was able to do some things when he had the democrats controlling both chambers of congress, but since then, he is had to do a lot of unilateral actions and executive actions and in rare instances, he was able to compromise with john boehner and mitch mcconnell . that is an anomaly in this congress and in this town right now. i think the dynamics would be very much the same as you are seeing with obama if bernie sanders became president. asking about the major

policy differences between the former secretary of state and a president, that anything reveal how much she compares and contrasts? person a career, but more recently, obama is pushing the enormous trade deal, the tpa, 40% of the global economy would be affected by this. she was in a tough spot because she was secretary of state well parts of it were being negotiated. it was finalized and the text is out. they may vote on it this year. obama wants it and hillary is against it. keystone was another questionable issue, the keystone pipeline in canada to the gulf -- from canada to the gulf. while obama was still kind of waffling and had not made his decision, there was some question over whether there was a divide between the two of them. turns out there is not, they are

on the same page. these two are on the same page, which puts hillary in a tough position because obama is not popular and a lot of these purple districts where democratic votes are going to be necessary to win the white house. she is going to have to make some kind of conservative -- concerted effort to distance herself from the things obama has done. you can see her doing that on foreign policy. as agh thing for her to do former secretary of state when the president was doing some of these things. on a policy basis, there is not a lot of daylight between the two of them. host: you said that the trade is thatht happen and surprising considering an elected year, even amongst democrats? guest: this is another issue that might divide paul ryan and mitch mcconnell.

republicans tend to be pro-trade, but something this day in a lot of these populist districts and blue-collar districts, many of which are controlled by -- republicans, will be a tough vote. paul ryan's thinking is that they have not committed to this, but the house republicans do want to bring this up for a vote and mcconnell doesn't and would rather kick it until after the election or until the next presidency. it is one of those wait and see type issues, but it is a very regional issue that does not bring along party lines because it concerns so many jobs and manufacturing and environmental. every interest group out there you can imagine is involved because it is so big and so it breaks down by region. host: this is steve from new york, republican line. caller: i had a couple of questions. adnow that ted cruz's latest

was on eminent domain and i was disappointed because the ad was a complete fabrication. bulldozed that trump a poor old woman's house for a casino parking lot but in reality, while trump try to get the house, he never did and nothing was ever below -- nothing was ever bulldozed. glenn beck was lying about donald trump voting for obama which was a complete fabrication . ted cruz seems to be hated by his fellow republicans, but there -- is there a growing recognition that ted cruz and his supporters are just unprincipled liars? i noticed one more thing, when he was interviewed about his views on deporting illegal immigrants, he would not answer,

it was like he was still in a debate and i think trump alludes to this. even we talked to a one-on-one person, he can't talk like a normal human being. is there any other background within the senate or congress and alleging that ted cruz has this intensity to lie and his supporters will lie on his behalf? andt: it is a good question they used to call it lies and now they just call it spin and everybody is spinning some wildly and out of control, it seems like you can keep up with them. is guys are running for office, they have all taken tough votes , except for guys like donald trump and ben carson. it puts guy like marco rubio and ted cruz in a tough spot on issues like immigration where

they may have taken those in the past that will not win that any favor among conservatives on the primary trail. it is not surprising that they are putting out ads trying to spin their record one way or the other. thatdon't like to admit they have changed their minds, that is called waffling. when john kerry did it, people walked outside with large flip-flops at every speech he made. these guys have track records and they have to -- should they own up to them? sure. marco rubio -- marco rubio was on the sunday shows and he said he made the vote then and since then we had the san bernardino and paris attacks and he changed his mind because the environment changed and that is kind of refreshing that you don't see very often, but they all stand, you call it lies and they call

it spin and you can expect much more of that as the debate goes on, as the election gets closer to november and that's why exist, to point out all the inconsistencies. in the age of internet journalism, sometimes things fall through the cracks and i you have fact checkers checking the journalists and journalists checking the fact checkers. host: your colleague at the hill recently put up a story taking a look at republican senators and how they viewed senator cruz and talks about the polarizing nature of senator cruz. can you give some context for what it might mean? the senator has all these traditions and set -- teachers and rules and for its entire history, you come in as a

backbench, young senator, he was 40 years old when he was a -- elected. usually, these guys would sit on the backbench, put on a committee and work their way up, sponsor some bills and raise some money. you make a name for yourself and make some speeches. ted cruz took a totally different route. from the verystar beginning because he was such an upstart. he was an underdog in the texas race and he became a national figure that meant he was on cable shows and he was being chased by reporters around the backal and he never looked to the point that he would go to the floor and with talk about liars. liarlled mitch mcconnell a for telling him he would do one thing on a vote and then switching it in order to get cruises vote on something -- get ted cruz's vote on something. he has not made any friends among republican colleagues,

certainly not his democratic colleagues. he is a firebreather, he is there -- he has a conservative agenda and he will stick with it and his ambitions are well beyond the senate. senator, chuck grassley introduced it -- introduced donald trump in iowa, what is your take on this? even if it was not a endorsement, what do you think of the significance? guest: he has a fascinating political character who has been around for so long, he is politics in iowa at this point. he is still a farmer, he knows his role. he will not alienate people. with donald trump as the front runner, he will introduce him, i would not put too much emphasis on it or look too deeply into it. he also said he would introduce all the other candidates as they

came to the state. does not mean much, you cannot alienate your front runner and it is a tough russian for these guys because donald trump has been so demonizing of certain groups of people and has put people like paul ryan in a tough spot and in certain cases they have made it clear that they do not agree with this or that policy. they also take their fallback position that if he gets the nomination, they will support him because that is what the republican voters want. i think that is all that means. host: jack in west virginia, and a credit line. -- democrat line. caller: this is a very important election and everybody should vote this time.

we need to move forward in this country instead of bickering back and forth. i mean, do your job and move the country forward. host: let's hear from can in california, independent line. half of america is living in a tennessee world. jobs are being created that don't pay minimum wage, more people on food stamps than ever everybody is- [inaudible]--

what the constituency to stop voting party lines and think outside the box, this country can't afford to continue paying people health care with obamacare, with the premium, the biggest -- i predict obamacare will fall apart. a country they cannot control its borders is not a country at all. host: the topic of obamacare. as far as the republicans, we

see a specific plan of action when it comes to their idea of like?eplacing it looks guest: it looks like paul ryan wantsguest: to do that and that will be another divisive issue between him and the ronald is the year eve all. -- him and mcconnell as the year eve all its -- evolves. it is tough for them because there are 70 million people who are insured under obamacare who were not earlier and if you just repeal it and take away health insurance for 17 million people, that might show up at the ballot box, so you don't want to alienate those people. he comespeal it and it enacted, then you will have to have something to replace it. we don't know what that is going to look like. you can imagine that it will be -- make wealthier seniors pay a little bit more into medicare to

create some money there. it might make eligibility for medicaid a little tougher, save some money. they want to do things with lawsuits to protect doctors. the of and trying to do that for a long time, one of the big policy issues. in terms of getting the universal coverage that obamacare has at the cost, we don't know what that will look like and it will be interesting to see what kind of bill they put out there. that what you're saying kind of match up to proposals that a research committee has or as far as the replacement aspect is concerned? guest: we've seen elements of the replacement aspect, as individual bills. some of this goes through ways and means and so this goes to -- through republican study committees.

we see elements out of energy and commerce and education and labor. the committees have been working on different pieces, they know it will not pass with obama in the white house. at this messaging bills point, but the indicate that they have some policy ideas. paul ryan came out of that issues conference in baltimore and said this will be a dress rehearsal for 2017. to just been wheels, we don't want to pass a bunch bills we know aren't going to get through president obama's desk, but that is the reality, he will not pass anything we want, so what we'll do is pass these things over and over to show people what would happen if you give us a republican in the white house. mike joining us from the hill.

bob, washington, republican line. i am for trump. do and what he wants to i think he will do it. he wants to help people get jobs and straighten out people coming into this country. he doesn't mind them coming illegally. -- coming in legally. he never said he would keep them out, he said he wanted to keep them out until we got a bill and i think that it is a good deal. we need to get our borders shut down. i think he is the strongest one to do it.

i trust the man until he does me wrong, then we will go from there. i think he will push for the right thing. he doesn't need money, so he does not go favors to anybody. favors to anybody. host: for congress, immigration is always perennial, but is that different this year? the san bernardino shootings, the paris attacks, they really put congress on the spot to do something. they did as part of the big spending omnibus bill. they came together and they made it tougher to get visas for those who of travel to syria or iraq and the sudan. they did do something that is already law.

they can go back to their districts and say they are protecting us. it would not have affected the san bernardino case. for the most part, paul ryan and mitch mcconnell have both said that they will not touch it and they don't charge -- trust the president to put in any immigration reform. that is a thickly because they can't bring it up in their conference because it is so divided over the issue and has been for years. goingll they bring up is to tear the party apart in essence. thes a tough issue for republicans and they don't want to bring it up and so they can use obama as an excuse. 2017ll see what happens in when they likely control both chambers of congress. will they trust the new president? we will see who it is. one note is that the supreme

court made an announcement last week, they said that they will review the challenge to obama's executive actions on deportation. these were two new programs that he announced right after the 2014 midterm elections and up to 5 million illegal immigrants would be eligible to stay temporarily on three-year work programs and not have to worry about being -- being deported. texas and five other states sued and the supreme court will hear it and we should know by june whether or not those programs will take off. obama wants those and it is a huge legacy issue for him. the opponents think they have a lock tight case in court. youris something to keep eye on and will fuel the immigration debate on the campaign trail. host: democrat line, hi. caller: i have a question and that is, why are all the

democratic congressmen and senators except for the three you mentioned supporting hillary ,ent and the most recent polls i watch the news and read and everything, they say that bernie polls isn national as aelectable and high higher poll number as far as against hillary. being able to be the republican front runner, donald trump, who horrifies me. i agree with a much earlier him to an compared

early day hitler. in his speech and mannerisms and the way he divides people. such people against each other. host: what would you like our guest to address? caller: i would like him to address why the democratic are sos and congressmen -- about hillary versus bernie when the latest polls show that ernie can actually do a better trump.defeating donald guest: it is a great question and the answer is, electability, it's a question of image and

there is still the sense that regardless -- if you look at bernie's policy issues, they are the same as nancy pelosi's and harry reid's, basically the same as president obama's. it is basically a question of image and electability and there is still a sense on capitol hill that bernie is simply not electable, that he is not middle of the road enough, image wise to win the general election and down ballots to bring house and senate seats over the -- over to the democratic side. if you look at national polls, hillary is still ahead by double digits in most of them. iowa and new hampshire are very tight and bernie is doing very well in those early states, but nationally, she is still the front runner by a large margin. say this out loud, but nobody wants to cross the

clinton machine, they are very powerful. a lot of respect for bill clinton and hillary clinton. they like hillary, they liked her as the first lady, as a secretary of state, as a senate colleague and they think she would make a great president. they also like bernie sanders was in the house for many years and is now a senator and he works well on both sides of the aisle. they like him personally and they like his policy, but there is just a sense that he is not electable and no one wants to stick their neck out. very unlikely thousand eight when you had guys like take kennedy and -- ted kennedy who were sticking out for a young senator named barack obama even though hillary clinton was seen as the front runner and you know what happened there. state,rom washington independent line, brian. theer: this climate on

congressional agenda, it appears that the democrats congressional agenda appears to get hillary elected 2016. republican congressional agenda same since itthe has been since 2008, to prevent the black men in the white house and getting this country down the road and progressing into the future. this election, 2016, if you watch the sunday news this weekend and scored it, bernie is ready for the super bowl. ofid not see what the team the republicans had on sunday, but it appears that bernie is seasoned. if he goes into a debate with donald trump, the first question asked will be the iraq war, donald trump is against it, bernie is against it, we will

have a debate on the next subject. is the iraq war still a factor as far as voting records are concerned? guest: hillary will have to explain it because bernie is going to make an issue of it, it is one of the you things were they disagree -- few things for the disagree. -- where they disagree. republicans have been beating the benghazi from for how many years now -- for how many years -- benghazi drum for how many years now. it has not become the scandal that the republicans had hoped. voters eyes glaze over when you talk about it, people care about the economy and they care about their paychecks and it is the domestic issues that resonate on the campaign trail which is why things like something as major

as the iraq war and the war on -- something big happens and it's wings votes for a short period of time but overall the campaign trail, it is all economy. host: vicki, washington, republican line. caller: why is hillary clinton getting by with so much, legally? things seem to be drying out in parallel with the election. i am personally voting for donald trump because he doesn't care and everybody is saying, he is ready to step up and get the i personally don't want a socialist nation and if one of your previous callers whatever thing to look at history, true democracy is built on capitalism and its unfortunate our country is so

far into the tank when it comes to socialism. i don't understand why hillary just gets by and get by when she was right at the top to begin with. guest: i'm not sure exactly what issue you are talking about. there is a sense of entitlement when it comes to hillary clinton, she has been dogged by accusations of this are many decades that because she was the first lady and has worked her way up, nobody questions her intellect or her political savvy , but there is also these charges of entitlement and they are dogging her in this e-mail scandal that has really needed a lot of people, and she is --uggling to make an admin make amends on the campaign trail. the legal case against her, there are investigations.

, seven different investigations they have had an one is still ongoing -- and one is still ongoing. it is something that will take time and something they could break before the election, we just don't know the outcome. it is something she wants to go away and has not. host: before we let you go, i want to talk about house speaker beenryan, now that he has on the job a few weeks. he enters line says the first full-year as speaker of the house with the unified caucus and agenda with an audacious goal. let's start with unified caucus, have people settled around him? guest: i'm wondering what congress he is looking at. it is ase, there is --

personality question. the conservative tea party guys did not like john boehner, they did not like how he handled things. they thought he was a chamber of commerce lackey he was up there to rubberstamp things and they really criticized what they call his top-down approach. he would write bills from his office and not do it from the committee and they thought that it stole the voice of their constituents. paul ryan is approaching very differently. he is a committee guy who want and makes thep right moves and proven -- has proven to be a very politically savvy guy in the way that he has handled the critics, the tea party guys who ousted boehner. at the end of the day, the dynamics have not changed. these guys do not want to spend more on government, it is a total disagreement between the governments about the size and the scope.

that dynamic is not going away and as long as you have president obama in the white house and the filibuster from wille democrats, paul ryan be in a tough spot because he will be asked to make some very difficult decisions about what spending bills to bring to the , about what he will endorse, about what deals he will cut. republican spending bill that goes through an appropriations process or committee is going to be something that president obama will want to sign. you will either have to compromise on the federal government is going to shut down and the republicans got blamed for that last time, and it certainly don't want to do that right or election or after -- right before an election or after. paul ryan is going to have to face these same guys because they have not left. the dynamics have not changed and we don't know how that debate is going to end, but you

don't see it ending must differently than with boehner. there will be sharp disagreement and he will lose a lot of republicans on the spending bills. time.thank you for your for the next half hour or so, we want to hear your thoughts and revisit the question from the beginning of the program when it comes to the choice for the white house. would you prefer an establishment candidate versus an outsider candidate? let us know what you think about what the choice is for the white house. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 republicans. (202) 748-8002 independents. we will take those phone calls when washington journal continues. ♪

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an established candidate or is it one of the political outsiders? what do you think is the best choice? (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 republicans. .ndependents, (202) 748-8002 we will be in iowa getting a sense of what's going on on the ground. also the attention to our website at c-span.org as campaign 2016 continues. you can find out the latest on events going on. events in iowa be cheering -- featuring martin o'malley. go to c-span.org for more information on those events and coverage of campaign 2016. usa today this morning take a look at bernie sanders' health

care plan. the headline. include premiums, deductibles, copayments,. anyone who claims otherwise is simply not telling the truth. the piece look specifically at bernie sanders' health care plan. also in the papers, a look at marco rubio, especially as he is in iowa trying to gain traction as the caucuses take place.

this is jeremy peters writing that his strategy heading into the caucus next monday is to remain the candidate who is most broadly acceptable to the republican electorate, pitching himself do more accessible than ted cruz and more sensible than donald trump. he told an audience of several hundred in waterloo a third-place finish is the most realistic outcome, but it also realizes that the margin that he has over whoever finishes in fourth place is significant. a large margin -- margin going into the new hampshire primary could give him a lift. new hampshire is the state where he hopes to be able to perform strongly enough to get a consolidated support from more moderate established republicans. taking a look at the candidates versus outsider candidates and we are getting your thoughts.

let's start with mary in pennsylvania, republican line. what do you think between established an outsider? i have chosen ted cruz because i think he is a very principled conservative. for the people of iowa, i think they have been taken in by because he doesn't really talk a lot about the national debt, which is terrible again --eason -- went against crews is because he stood up for his principles and said he would not expand the ethanol subsidies. that will trump gave up whatever he has promised and said that only will he give them the subsidies, but he will expand those of subsidies. no wonder the governor is going for trump because it is more money for that state. the fact is, iowa is not the

only state. he will wheel and deal all the way to the presidency. we can ever how lower the national debt when he does something like that. i think that ted cruz is someone who really stands up and that is what we always wanted and now people are going against him because he has a spine. host: do you see ted cruz as an outsider or an established person? caller: i think he can work both ways, he is very conservative which is how i feel. i don't consider him an outsider understands what is going on in this country. host: james, tennessee, independent. caller: how are you doing? host: fine, thank you, go ahead. i have my issue is

compliments for donald trump because he is a billionaire and this is his first time trying to make a change to this country. i also have respect for marco rubio, but rubio can't seem to get his mind right on what he is trying to do, trying to follow other democrats or republican issues along with his. far as an outsider or in establishment person, who would you rather have in the white house? caller: i'd rather have -- i want to say trump but you have to have someone in the white house that can relate to the american people because a lot of americans don't know the history of america, a just live in the country. they have no idea about our forefathers and what their legacy was and what they laid

down. -- le right now are host: we move on to susan, democrat line. say i am just want to really glad there are so many -- i'm gladt there there are so many americans stepping up to try to gain what we need in our country but i really think that regardless of the skin that was being talked about earlier, there is always spin, negative and positive, but hillary clinton has more well-rounded experience than anybody i have ever seen, especially now that she has been secretary of state.

she can see what is coming and i think if anybody from an opposing party could work well with paul ryan, she is it and i want to say hooray for hillary. host: do you see her as an establishment candidate? caller: i docaller:. host: is that a problem? caller: no. host: why not? caller: there has to be continuity for the people of our country. we need to see people with experience getting in there and doing the job, especially now when there has been so much division between the parties. she has what it takes, paul ryan has what it takes and even if they oppose each other, i feel that they are going to be able to work things out better than all the rest. host: hillary clinton was asked on the sunday shows about recent comments, taking a look at her

as an establishment candidate, especially the support she may get as one. there is a bit of the response she had. >> there isn't, i just have to tell you, i can only react to what i am doing, getting responses from people and i feel great that we have the level of enthusiasm that we do and we also have a really good team on the ground that has been working for months to make sure that it is not just here today, gone tomorrow but people are involved and feel really reached out to. the speculation and all the rest , but we entertaining will keep moving forward and do the work that we think is going to be successful on february 1. >> are you worried that your long resume is not an asset in this wild year? peoplehe end of the day,

take the boat seriously, they know they are voting or who they prefer to be the next president and commander in chief and i believe that when i am out there talking with people about what we have the go up against, or at home, with the economy everybody -- working for everybody, beginning to raise income, deal with health care going from 90% coverage which is what we have to 100% and i lay out what i intend to do to get there, i can only tell you that i see people nodding, i know people are signing up as they leave my offense, that is what matters. it is very personal and people look and they think, can we imagine this person to be president and because of mine experience -- because of my experience, i think it is something that people really take into account. host: i establishment candidate,

an outsider candidate, what is the best fit for the white house? .emocrats --(202) 748-8000 (202) 748-8001 republicans. (202) 748-8002 independents. caller: i recently ditched and republicand am now a byause i am so appalled corruption. i always look at the main contributors to each candidate so i know who the government masters are -- puppet masters are. i kind of been to worse donald towards donald trump. [inaudible]

you have politicians who have no idea how to run a business. the one employee that has the biggest ego and is the busiest. they always find time and get the job done. host: that is married in pennsylvania. let's hear from anthony in georgia. to chime just wanted in for those who are more libertarian minded like myself are in need of the establishment or the outsiders are really

looking at libertarian vote. at a vote of no or heck no. have taken it down to two parties. outsiders anden when we focus more on the common principles that make us all americans whether you vote democrat or republican in the past, then we will get a good selection. establishment outsiders are not a good idea to unify us. host: do you see a candidate like that in the field? caller: there are some the get close. because of the way that we run the political system, because

you when it went down to know somebodyw, there's not out there for me. we need to look at who is going to unify us then who is going to it even for the last administration. let's do something for all of us. host: the financial times look at how republicans are viewing the possible entry of michael bloomberg into the race. this is the financial times this morning. >> i would love it.

i know vital very well. i'd love to compete against michael. i would love to have him get in the race. his very opposite me on guns and a life and a lot of things. i would love to have michael get in the race. i hope he does. i would love to compete against michael. >> he is thinking you are doing well, he would counterbalance you. >> that would be good. i would love to have michael get in the race. he has been a friend of mine over the years he has wanted to do this for a long time. we will see if he does right now. i would love to compete with michael bloomberg. california,m from a you were on the air. caller: good morning. i am glad i am able to talk to you. voted3 years old good i

my whole life and i am a devoted democrat. i have never watched the apprentice grid i've watched donald trump over the years. he is smart. he is very outspoken. he has a very big ego. him,e's got money backing his own money. he doesn't have people like i've voted for obama both times. hillary, sheng for has let me down she has the fbi investigating her.

she gets 200 and $5,000 for speaking. i want donald trump. he speaks his mind and tells a like it is. day have attacked him from .ne maybe he doesn't speak it the right way. onidn't like the way he came when he announced his presidency. i am still 100% behind him. i am 73 and retired. so ik for news channels can find donald trump. i am just dedicated to this man. host: let's hear tom from

dallas. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i would consider myself an establishment republican. the thing that hugs me is the tea party takeover of the republican establishment in texas. like johnandidates kasich. i want somebody with a governmental record rather than just people who say they are conservative. trueea party has destroyed republicanism. we had a state senator a few years back who was defeated by a tea party candidate in dallas. he was most famous in texas for towrope out how much

right now, we have toll roads being constructed that are costing four times with the same road would cost had the government said let's raise the tax very slightly and pay for this road. they have to build a profit on these roads. this tea party establishment that is in texas is all about let's privatize everything. new york, the end of the line. hello. caller: good morning. i am an independent. between donald trump and bernie sanders. about serious questions whether they will be elected their presence in the race has

given the electorate some food for thought. are taking people out of their entrenched politics. note?add a side thesh you would net some of colors in the bud. i find it offensive. there is no such thing as a black president or a woman president. this has nothing to do with being intelligent and running for president. i think you should never some of them in the bond -- bud. that has absolutely no meaning whatsoever except pd -- to be

derogatory. host: the new york times takes a look at the presidential race. he talked about the idea of being an establishment person. here he is from yesterday. if donaldtion is trump wins and mr. bloomberg gets them it, you will have two multi billionaires running against me. i think the american people do not want to see our nation move toward an oligarchy where billionaires control the

political process. we are taking a look at the race for the white house. do you support an establishment candidate or an outsider for the white we will hear from jerry in california. establishment voting isn't working. it hasn't worked since eisenhower. i don't think we need any more of that. donald trump is exactly what he appears to be. you can start with bernie sanders. change, theyeal need to get a guy like him in there.

bernie sanders is the way to go. we've got to start somewhere. host: why do you think he will be different than the establishment people who have not been effective? because all of his ideas and he mentions that he is a democratic socialist area -- socialist. people don't understand what socialism really is area some of our best programs are socialist programs and that's obvious. if we want some real change, we've got to start with people like him. enough with these guys that are not getting anything done and are entrenched with wall street. hillary is completely entrenched

with them. it's just sad. host: davis from ohio. you are next. caller: i am from ohio. that is a good question this morning. split.am looking at, i'm i am looking at donald trump is the outsider. i really like donald trump. americay wants to make great again. i am also looking at john kasich. he has proven himself in ohio area -- ohio. i voted for him. hillary if me about she gets in their, she will follow her legacy to the point where we will lose a lot more jobs. she is more interested in global

government then government in the united states self. candidates who love america and would work for or johnwould be donald kasich. host: do you look at john kasich as an outsider? caller: i look at him establishment. that's a good question. establishedm as because he has been to washington. he seems financially to get everything back on track again. big hughe would cut a out of this big debt we've got. that's what scares me the most is the debt.

i think he will take some swipes at it. area --hat for ohio ohio. i personally think that is out of the mainframe. they are all mainframe. they are all establishment. they are all tied to big-money and corporations and organizations. they are all supported by the establishment. possiblyone who is different is maybe mr. sanders. a couple of calls a goat a gentleman said socialism is

needed in this country. we need things like social security. we need medicare. we need this. opposedpeople so -- so to people taking care of people with the government helping people take care of people? go, you to look at it through your own definition, are you supporting mr. sanders? sandersi think bernie would the a good fit for the white house. my problem is his age. that is the only problem i have with him. host: that is harrisburg, north carolina. we thank everybody who called for the segment we are going to

take a look at the euro of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. there are new responsibilities for that hero. we will take a look at what with responsibilities are dan friedman of hearst newspapers. >> the countdown is on. as we approach the iowa caucuses, we are the only place for you can watch these events on old as they happened. whether it's a campaign rally or a town hall meeting, no one is

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than security. we are choosing the speed and performance. know, it's between five and 10 on the list of priorities for most software developers. security doesn't pay. >> watch the communicators tonight at 8:00 on c-span two. >> washington journal continues. we take a look at programs by the federal government and initiatives for what they accomplished. we look at the atf. dan friedman of hearst newspapers. he is there washington correspondent. good morning. when it comes to firearms, what is their role? range they have a broad

of enforcement activities. its major focus is on guns and firearms and much less so with alcohol and tobacco. host: what is the range of activities? involved withe thaticensing question anybody who is engaged in the business of selling firearms must be licensed. the law does have exceptions for those who make occasional sales from a collection or to add to a collection. anybody who is making a profit from selling firearms, they must be licensed. atf has 400 agents who are

in the field participated in with other law enforcement and go after gangs, criminal gangs use guns, the traffic runs -- that traffic guns. of the integral part federal law enforcement effort to address violent crime. atf visits the establishment? they make sure they are doing everything correctly? the atf has 600 operations in investigators. audits to make sure that

all the guns it comes are accounted for. investigators for 50,000 license holders. if you are a store owner, could go eight years without ever seeing an inspector. the: tell us what president's executive action means. earmarked for was 200 extra agent and investigators. budget which will be february, there will be $35 million requested for these 200 additional agents.

it will be up to congress to approve them or not. is that expected to happen? as you well know, when there is a political dimension to an issue, there is conflict. is atf ismake expecting 500 or more agents to retire. the argument could be made that these 200 agents will just catch up. they are just trying to stay in place. host: the phone lines

lawsuit fromady a judicial watch. atf,it comes to the -- obama doeslure not have the legal authority to redefine the atf. guest: that's the question. there was a hearing in the senate last week that i want to. this issue was debated head-on.

the pro-obama side says the law. this initiative does nothing to expand this -- existing law. it is stepped-up enforcement. it is reiterating to the gun public whereelling the dividing line is. of response from panel witnesses selected iv republican majority said if that's the case, why did the administration feel it's necessary to restate it? the claim is this is intimidation. they are trying to scare gun owners who can legally sell firearms occasionally.

they are trying to intimidate those gun owners into not selling. they might be afraid of crossing the line in selling without a license. the group is freedom watch who is bringing the lawsuit. our guest is talking about the work of the atf. you are on first with our guest. caller: i have a comment in the question. my comment is if it's already a law, why would he take executive action? how far does the law go in asablishing what can be done far as our right and taken?

i think the caller raises legitimate points. debate.what was under the question of how far the law goes and is this a restatement of current law and why do you have to restate it? will i am not a spokesman for the atf or the administration. law was fuzzyhe and people were not being mindful of it. a concreted to be statement as to where the dividing line is. the firearms owner action now

defines anybody engaged in selling firearms must get a license, but makes exceptions for gun collectors or occasional sellers. gun towant to sell the me, that's ok because you're not taking a profit. you're not selling guns with regularity. this is where the debate is that rights, thes of gun administration would claim this is not an application of gun rights. president obama went to some great lengths to say this is not about hunters or sport shooters. this is about making sure that

anybody who buys a gun has a background check done on them to the greatest extent possible. host: david is in indianapolis. it's to keep us as consumers slaves as we are. constitution, there are two things making alcohol not legal. all bowl trap. it's our first amendment. the architect might have drawn , he's never going to do the things us americans have done. we need to quit selling out to everybody else. we need to be americans. we took this country.

it's never going to happen. you are going to have all of your balance having guns. taking away guns is only going to help the honest people. caller: i think those are very legitimate points. i hear a lot from the gun rights side. the supreme court decision established that the second amendment does entitle individuals to own guns and keep them in their homes. that is some law. i think everybody on all sides of the issue of guns understands that. think there is a motive running through the gun rights world worried that any

incremental step by the white house or congress to install gun therol or limit in any way rights of gun owners is up delayed to seizing guns. obama's plan to take all of the guns. i don't think that even if the president wanted to do that he could. i think the caller is suggesting that. mark.from new hampshire, caller: good morning. 1961, there was the you in small arms fire training. hillary signed it. what is going on now? is mr. obama going to try to

pass this? i'm not familiar with to issue are in i don't want speak to something that i don't know about. i would doubt that this white somethingd sign on to international that would limit gun rights. i think it would be political suicide. host: is the atf centralized in washington? guest: the atf is based here in washington. they have about 25 divisions. they have agents and investigators across the country.

they very often are the only agent out there, trying to do on task investigations forces with local police or dea and fbi. guest: a straw purchaser is gun for who purchases a the purpose of give it to somebody else. notntimes it somebody who's qualified to own a firearm. this is against the law. when you buy a gun from a licensed firearms dealer, you have to sign a form that says you are buying this for yourself. it becomes difficult to

prosecute straw purchasers. you could buy an ak-47 and then decide the next day i don't really need this, but my neighbor really likes this gun. maybe i will sell it to him. that would be quickly legal. of strop just prosecutions go to the question of what was the intent? they are very hard cases to do for the most part. what you see is clear-cut cases where someone walks into a store buys 20 or arizona and

and carrying them out and then they are given to mexican drug cartel connections. this is the underpinning of the .candal a few years back host: is that atf's jurisdiction? guest: that is absolutely atf's jurisdiction. andobama administration other like-minded people in the senate will argue there is no gun trafficking statute. there needs to be a gun trafficking statute that will put some teeth into the law so that straw purchasing would not just be a legal risk slap but in jail that give serious jail time. , $35r: i wanted to know

million for 200 agents seems like a lot. to theh of this goes fast and various. to thinkour view naive that obama is not interested in taking our guns. the man is up with an liar. -- can you tell me about the money. i haven't researched the money. imagine $35 million is not just for one year. it's probably spread out over a number of years. i would say atf has 2400 agents.

that hasn't changed a lot. they would say with the prospect of 500 agents retiring that they are just treading water, trying to keep from going anything. in terms of the taking guns away, let's just realistically look at this and obama has a year left in office. greatestay the evidence in your favor is the statements about we the only advanced industrial civilization that has this gun violence problem. question nations in australia, canada, england, they have very strong gun-control

laws and it's very difficult to own a gun. president and other like-minded people on capitol hill admire these societies. in terms of the realistic prospect of that happening, you can call me naive, i don't see it over the course of the next year. everybody knows there is a shadow between the idea and the reality. the reality on this is much too strong and gun ownership is too far in place. no one is taking anybody's guns anytime soon. as our guest mentioned, there are 2500 special agents.

dan friedman from hearst newspapers is joining us. thinems like a stretched workforce. guest: i think there are some who say we are a bargain. you are getting all the service, explosives.rms, some alcohol. moonshine. illegal cigarette trafficking enforcement. this is a bargain basement price. it is an agency with a long history of being thinly stretched and under resourced.

fight with the nra for decades and decades and finally gradually in the 90's after two decades of combat, carved out a niche for itself, which is violent crime in urban areas. they even played with the idea of renaming the selves the violent crimes bureau to better accentuate the role their agents forces ine task places like connecticut or new gangs that use guns. caller: thank you c-span. dan, thank you for your expertise. i have a quick comment.

is this is not 1950 anymore. we are in a different era. is why -- what can we do to get some balance. i hear a lot about the rights of gun owners and the second amendment. i never hear about the right of society to have some kind of balance. how can we address the saturday night specials in the big cities , the ability of groups to buy military style weapons never dreamed of in 1950. we now have an armed group in andon holding federal land the governor of oregon has asked for the feds to step in and they haven't.

we have all kinds of people who feel enabled to do things they never did before. how can we get some kind of balance and dry up some of these types of weapons. no one has an absolute right in this country. we don't have a right to absolute free speech. how can we have a military issued weapon? all of the points the caller raises are legitimate. rolloutt obama in his did have some words addressing this issue. there has to be a balance of rights. what about the rights of the people in south carolina to have .ree religion or assembly

the children in newtown connecticut and the teachers and factory -- faculty who were victims of mass murder. least on the gun-control side of this letter, there is a recognition of rights and the need for balancing rights. the arsenals and the types of weapons that are i've had aut there, lot of communication with the national shooting sports founda tion. they referred to ar-15's and other military weapons as modern sporting rifles. that sporthe point shooters, hunters, they want the

latest weaponry. they want what they had in wartime. to world war i or world war ii. hunters and sport shooters wanted something that was the to the m1 rifle. they wanted something to the springfield. they wanted action. this is a debate that's going to go on. the chances of an assault weapons ban would dry up once the chances of that is in congress are no. his guns are here to stay. in any case, if such a ban were to be put in place, there would still be 30 million guns out

there. many of them are assault rifles. from oklahoma. my question is if they start step in their and putting laws on the guns, eventually they will take the guns. they will paste the constitution. then we go into socialism. nobody explains the general public what socialism is. is that where we are going? i don't believe so. obama has in your left in office. one thing i do find interesting 2016 will debate in be joined as it never was

before. i think people will be watching these candidates very closely. democrats tiptoed over the gun issue for fear of alienating red state voters. now, you see in the democratic debates hillary clinton and bernie sanders falling over themselves to claim the mantle of the most proactive gun-control supporter. hillary is saying let's challenge the nra. taken placee never in previous election cycles. abouta discussion manpower at the atf recently came up. the attorney general was asked about the status of people retiring. i want to play you a bit of

that. atf isnderstanding is going to have the retirement of 500 special agents this year. i can't say how many are going thattire it appears to me being an enforcement agency, you are going to lose people. that's going to have an unfortunate effect. you have any comment on that? atf is facing a situation where so many of our agents are soon able to retire. we hope they will not. we know we will lose some. would ring usat an additional 200 investigators will not increase the size of

the agency. request for additional, we want to hire the slots that will soon be vacant. guest: i think we've been talking about that. the word i picked up on in that not dry know were will up. the atf has a long history of being under the thumb, the favorite whipping boy of the gun rights nra. agents, it depends on how many agents retire. that's kind of an unknown. i think 540 is the upward umber. -- number.

i think in the most optimistic scenario, there will be a huge increase of agents. that there remember is a small number of agents and investigators lease the gun owner, gun licensing world. sometimes you have agents at gun shows. they are there to answer questions and the a proactive force, a positive force. atfget a lot of praise from people for flagging individuals who look ike they are straw purchasing gun dealers. something doesn't look right or smell right. a customer does not seem to know very much about guns and is just reading off a list.

i think you really have to look at the atf as an underfunded agency that is sometimes scared of its own shadow. they are not a bunch of jackbooted thugs as john dingell memorably called them in the early 80's. host: what is the minimum requirements? how much do they make? agent? it like being an guest: i can't really say. i think any federal agent is wildly well compensated, not considering the risks that they undergo it's a great career for young people who want to go into federal law enforcement. you've got to be very dedicated. it's not like on tv. i did a ride along in

connecticut. timeguys runs a lot of sitting on a place, just sitting in his car waiting for someone to come out a door and get in a car and note the license number and so on. you, there are a lot of boring hours. there are moments of sheer terror these agents unlike some the others, if they are knocking on somebody's door, you can bet there are guns on the other side. host: the atf website does give you information on the requirements to be an agent. dan friedman is here to talk about the bureau.

technically we refer to it as atf, but has explosives always been added to that? guest: it's been there for many years. the powers that be decided to add explosives to the name to make sure. they wanted everybody to understand explosives enforcement is part of the mandate. host: you mentioned fast and furious. in el chapo'sd hideout. what does this mean for this? i think atf has a lot of albatrosses around its neck and that will continue to be one. it was a scandal. i don't think there is any other way to describe it.

hasink most everyone who been associated with it has been disciplined or left the agency. anxious tois an impress upon myself another is that they have turned the page. that is a chapter behind them. there was an exhaustive inspector general report that came out about fast and furious. it had a lot of condemnation for the individual actions of the agent in charge and others. one thing that was in that report the not get a lot of attention was the resource question. atf it offion was more than they could chew. ambitious very investigation that was trying to link purchases in phoenix to

transfer of weapons in mexico to the cartels. , they thought was wise to let the gun loads go and then filter into mexico. they could their investigative database and come through with a big indictment with lots of perps. i have no idea how they thought they were going to do that. that was the end game. host: let's hear from bill. caller: we are required to have insurance on our automobiles to protect people. why not require have insurance for guns that they have to protect from the damage?

especially people that open carry? guest: that's a very interesting point that you raise. president obama and his supporters often said we require licensing for automobiles, insurance as the caller mentioned. why don't we do the same for guns. is do we have a regimen that at least as difficult as driving a car in this country so guns don't fall into the wrong hands like we prevent people who have a history of intoxication from getting behind steering wheels? furthermore, they point out the history of automobile regulations. see notes. -- seat else. the awareness of drunk driving.

devices that prevent you from starting your car if you're intoxicated. that, you would see a lot fewer accidental gun deaths, mass shootings. technology, smart guns, that's part of this debate to. guns by and large are opposed by the nra and the gun rights world. host: we were here next from tony. tony, go ahead. caller: i want to know if there's more to be done in the way of ground checks? -- background checks? guest: the short answer to that is not likely.

the expansion of background theks was brought up in mansion it to me bill. this was after new town. it went down to defeat in the senate. now that you have a completely rubble -- republican controlled congress, the chances of any legislation like that coming up are nil. caller: thank you for having me. i just want to comment about the gun control issue that americans are having. the guy who just mention congress taking control of all situations. i am a researcher. i try to study the laws and be

more aware of what's going on. america isreat to the terrorism that is going on with isis. amendment is to protect people. fromto protect people other terrorist or threats that can harm the country. the second us of amendment. we are living in this world called the new world order. tos is how they are trying dictate or direct how the country is going to flow and function. would a letter here i like to read. host: can you go to what you

want our guest comment on? caller: if obama wanted to take , here or other we giving the are enemy guns to begin with? guest: i think the caller is referring to the debate over the no-fly list. checks, of background there is no requirement that somebody on the no-fly list cap by the government, those people are not barred from buying weapons. it might prevent you from getting on the airline. you could still buy an ak-47.

the white house's side of the ledger considers this an absurdity. chuck schumer and chris murphy and others are saying this just makes no sense whatsoever. i did talk to the nra about this. they say the list is out of date. they say it's overinclusive. many people whose names you would know are on the list. they should not be prevented from buying guns. that is the debate on that issue. thatld not predict anything is going to happen there anytime soon. for 20been washington plus years and nothing surprises me. host: dan friedman is the

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