we cannot allow that to happen.

we need to recognize it is not just those who come behind us. it is all of us. that is why i quoted the preamble. blessings of liberty. prosperityur posterity. we have an obligation to those coming behind us. i'm going to come back in a minute. i love myself as a horrible student. the thing that got me out of this, my mother. shuffled from one place to another. there was no place she could go. they moved to detroit.

she discovered my father was a bigamist and had another family. she had to try to raise us on our own. she worked extraordinarily hard, ends meet.ake she refused to be a victim. with all the things that happened to her, she never felt sorry for herself. problem was, she never felt sorry for us either. there was never any excuse that was acceptable. she would say, do you have a brain? it didn't matter what bob or anybody else said or did. that was probably the most important thing she did for us. if you are not looking for excuses, you are looking for

solutions. what a difference in maine. and then she made us start reading books. i was not happy about this at all. in some of the homes, after praying for wisdom, i noticed therervous to she noticed were lots of books. -- she noticed there were lots of books. turn off the tv. back in those days, you had to do what you could. saying,l psychologist let the kid express themselves. to add insult to injury, we had to read two books of peace and submit to her written book report. -- i\/\/ check

could read anything i wanted. i started reading books about people of accomplishment. scientists, explorers. all kinds of people. i begin to understand something. who has the most to do with what happens to what happens in life is you. peopleed listening to who were telling me i was a victim. i went from the bottom of the class to the top of the class. tohough students who used call me dummy. they were coming to me saying, how do you work this? i was perhaps a little obnoxious.

it felt good to say that. basically, i had a revolution in my thinking. the exact same brain. same circumstances. but i had changed the way i perceived myself. and the way i perceived the world. that is such an important thing that we must the good about in america. ofmust change the mindset many americans. did you know that in more than 30 states? more fromceive accepting government benefits them from working a minimum wage job? , why of people conclude would i work a minimum wage job when i can sit here and collect? can actually do quite well.

that is a mindset that has pervaded our society. the old mindset in america used to be, no. minimumg to take the wage job because i'm going to learn skills. i'm going to meet people. i am going to climb the ladder. i a relatively short time, will be much better off than that person receiving the benefits. that is the way we used to think. that is the way we must begin to think again. we only have 330 million people in this country. sounds like a lot of people. 1.4 billion people in china. india, 1.1 billion people. they have a lot more people than we do. what that means is we have to develop all of our people. we can't have huge groups of

people sitting around, vegetating and not really contribute in. we can't have 20% of people in high school not graduating. have 5% of the world population and 25% of the inmates in the world. none of these things make sense. let me tie you one thing that is disturbing. we have an all voluntary military. people applying to that military, between the ages are not acceptable. they cannot get in. educationalntal, or issues. the biggest category, educational. people who cannot pass the most of basic test.

we are in the process of dumbing down our society. that ourers said is basedand our system informedll formed -- populace. if we ever became anything other than that, the nature of the country would change. why? because the people would be easy to manipulate. all it would take was a slick politician and a complicit media and off we go. following the shiny object. not paying attention to what is really going on. not really analyzing and recognizing what is going on. essential for those

coming after us, that we understand this. thomas jefferson said it is immoral to pass debt onto the next generation. it we could bring him back today and he could see what was going on, he would have a stroke and died, immediately. $19 trillion? are you kidding me? can't anybody even fathom what the number means? we can say it that i don't think we can understand what that means. pay it back at a rate of $10 million a day, that is a number we can kind of understand but still a lot. no vacations. it would take more than 5000 years.

that is multiple generations down the road. pain and backwere now. we are continuing to increase it. presidente the next takes over, we will be to $20 trillion. that is the good news. is actually worse than that. -- most people have not heard of the fiscal gap. please look it up when you go home. important the american people understand the concept of the fiscal gap. politicians will talk about it but i'm not a politician so i am going to talk about it. of unfundedount liability we oh.

we call it infinite horizon accounting. versus what we have coming back. sources should be a big number. it is not. it is a negative number. owes more than $150 trillion in assets. owns more than $150 trillion in assets. you give a well-run company, just a return from a return, 2%, on that kind of asset, you would have no national debt. but we don't run are sufficiently. our government owns many buildings. are underutilized.

time, we are leasing office space. makes no sense. that is a one small example. goes on and on. officegressional budget billion worth of things that could be cut. think about that. $5.5 trillion. who gets to pay for that? we do. get people to understand this. it is important they understand this. comesen when somebody

along and says, free college for everybody, now they know. pied piper. i'm going to give you everything as we continue to destroy the financial foundation of the nation. we are destroying every aspect of the american dream. force ourthat government to do? for almost decade, with the near interest rate, people say, that is great. that is destroying the american dream. it used to be that show the joe the butcher could put money into his savings account and watch it grow and retire and never have to worry about anything.

that was part of the american dream. that is gone. because of the level of debt. the debt service on $18 trillion is $250 billion a year. let interest rates, it would be one dollars. we don't have one join dollars and therefore the he central bank has to keep it suppressed. dream,ing the american bit by bit. rather than being responsible and acting like you do in your own home. it, you don't spend it. you take into account what the regulations are doing, they are destroying america. regulations, and circling everything we do.

we the consumers are the ones who have to pay for it. people will come along and they will say, it is those evil rich people. if we can just take their money, we can solve all these problems. it is not the evil rich people. that the evil government is insinuating itself into every aspect of your life. wasting your money. that is our problem. we can solve the problem. we the people have the ability to do this. we have the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. money thatot of should be brought back. boardaround a corporate

table, talked about the billions of dollars over here, over here. butanted to bring them back we could not because of the high tax rate so we had to figure out what to do with it over there. propose, there is over $2.1 trillion. a huge amount of money. money, a sixt month hiatus. let it be repatriated. used int has to be enterprise zones and to create jobs. unemployed or underemployed. au want to talk about stimulus, that would be a big stimulus and would cost nothing. that is the kind of thing that needs to be done to jumpstart our economy. it also gets corporate america thinking about something

important, invest in their fellow men. their fellow human beings. what a difference it makes when you are able to invest. the only thing that brings people out of poverty. programs do not believe the government said in the 60's, there was a war on poverty. how did that work? people best 10re times more people on food stamps and welfare. crime, incarceration. it is much worse. not because the government is evil but because that is not what they are supposed to do. that is the responsibility of the private sector. government can help facilitate that. they need to read the constitution. or maybe they did, the preamble. which i quoted. it says is tongs

promote the general welfare. they probably thought that meant put everybody on general welfare. that is not what it means. to the to get back original intent. fix the tax code. i incurred you to go to my website and read about our plan. our plan to eliminate isis and revamp the economy. more policy out there than anybody else and it is good stuff. the kind of stuff, you don't get to talk about in a debate. have, i don'tt we want to complain but it is a rigged system. it is absolutely rigged. media thinkt and they have control. in the past, they have had a lot

of control. jefferson who put it the best. thisid, we would get to people would the not be paying attention. as a result, the government would do what all governments do. metastasize and infiltrate and dominate. he said something encouraging . said, just before we turn into another form of government, wouldople of the u.s. awaken. they would recognize what was going on. they would rise up. take control of the government. ability to do

something like that. we also have to recognize, when it comes to those, we have a responsibility for their safety. provide for the common defense. right now, the people in this country are frightened. they should be frightened. does noternment understand what is going on. anybody with common sense recognizes that isis and the radical islamic terrorists are in existential threat to our country. ago, president obama said, they are not in existential threat. how naive. he thinks we are living back in the 40's and 50's with conventional armies and air forces and navies. we do not fight wars that way anymore.

bombsu talk about dirty and cyber attacks. on our electrical grid. the kinds of things that, what is goingnge on in our country. particularly a coordinated attack. they are indeed in existential a threat. they have made it clear they want to destroy us. they want to destroy israel. our response? two choices. sit around and act like we don't have to worry about them. use every resource to destroy them first. i think that is the better option. what i would suggest is everybody here, we got a weekend coming up. take a few hours.

read up. read up on islam. read about mohammed. startbout how he got his in mecca. how he was seen by the people in mecca. not very favorably, by the way. uncle nevertheless was an influential guy. he had to flee. he went north to medina. that is where he put together his army. anybody whosacring did not believe the same way they did. anybody who belonged to what christians and jews, wiping out the jews in the arabian peninsula.

he had to have territory, called a caliphate. that is what gives them legitimacy. the caliphate. the --entually launched lost the last remnants of the caliphate when the ottoman empire went to down in 1924. they were without a elephant until recently when they acquired land. iraq, half of iraq and a third of syria. foothold established a in egypt and tunisia, a dangerous spot. they are working very hard to subvert what is going on there. libya problem, quite frankly. it is a terrible thing to have done because if they can spread their caliphate to libya which is their next goal, there is

oil there. a huge amount of land. into southern europe. chad, niger, sudan. you have a tremendous platform to spread your ideology. that is what they want. is engage ouro do goalary experts, say, the is to take their caliphate. what do you need to accomplish that goal? that is what we have to give them. we have to give them our full support. we cannot tie their hands behind their bag. -- back. we can't have them wondering whether they are going to be prosecuted for some kind of crime. that does not work.

that, they cannot have money. terroriste richest organization. silly rules. we can't bomb an oil tanker because there may be people in it and it may cause environmental damage. only this administration can cause something like that. if you don't want people to be killed, don't put them in it. that would make more sense. shut down all of their avenues of money transfer. disaffectedr the people of the world. they can provide them with resources. that is what makes it tempting. that along with the caliphate. fromis why they have gone 10,000 to 40,000.

the next president takes over, probably 60,000. attack your have to and control centers. don't let them sit comfortably wherever they are. we have to find them and put them on the run. the process of destroying everything may have. and then in this country, we must recognize, unfortunately, because of our negligence, there are plenty of cells already here. the border this summer and was flabbergasted about all the people coming through. from northern africa and the middle east. very little to stop them. yes, there was a fence. fence that kind of

would barely have slowed me down as a kid. in theas a big hole cut fence. you could drive a car through it. they have strong a couple of pieces of barb wire across. they wanted to film from the other side. they were not athletic. these people have no difficulty desk getting through and they are bringing in trucks. this is why we have a heroin epidemic destroying the populace. bringing in marijuana like crazy. say, marijuanale is not so bad. we should legalize marijuana. .ecreational drug i'm going to tell you, as a narrow scientist, that is not true. there have been many things that demonstrated regular exposure to cannabis causes significant

damage including drops in iq. we already have enough people with low iqs so we don't need to be cultivating that in our society. that is crazy. we can seal that border easily. yuma county, arizona, cut illegal traffic down by 97% by putting up a fence. putting in border guards. border guards at the border. and prosecuting first time offenders. 97%. you do that across all mine motion and add detectors, i bet you can get it close to 100%. some people say, that is useless. they will dig underneath us. no, they will not.

we have radar equipment. it can demonstrate holes being dug underneath. we can deal with that. it is not that we don't have the ability. it is that we don't have the will. he want to hear some sad stories, you talk to those around who live along the border. in do or to theft, harassment, and a. some of the stories. you are crying. you cannot walk out of that room without crying. they are getting little or no support from our federal government. we must close it and we can do it within a year. and then we must teach our people how to respond to terrorist. we cannot just say, it is no big deal. off, yousiren went

knew where you were supposed to go. we need to start teaching people what to do if you are in a situation. san bernardino is not the end of this. the response certainly is not what the obama administration has advocated, taking guns from the citizens. just the opposite. theseou ever notice that mass school shootings never occur in israel? why? teachers in israel, and you don't know which ones, they are highly trained. with access to weapons. they know that.

country, have you noticed? when the mass shootings occur? they occur in gun free zones? a lot of those people are crazy but they are not that crazy. they are going to go someplace where they can carry out their carnage without getting killed. we could take some lessons from that. again, our political correctness will kill us. if we don't wake up. we'll tell you one of the reasons i hate pc so much. founders, theyur gave everything they had including their lives so we could have freedom of speech. freedom of expression. they would roll over in their graves if they saw us capitulating. us, everything

about who we are and what we can do. where we can live. how we can do it. forget about it. this is america. we have to stop allowing ourselves to be turned into something else. taxes, andes to our i'm going to let you guys ask some questions. the reasons i have proposed a flat tax is because i am interested in fairness. me.left likes to criticize they say it i got my ideas from the bible. what is wrong with that? got is pretty fair. -- he said if you're crops fail, you don't own me

anything. proportionality must be fair if god thinks it is fair. you make $10, you make one dollar. you get the same rights and privileges. how is that unfair? you have to get it of the duction -- deductions. shelters. the deductions. no capital gains tax or death tax. forbes, in reason many others, have praised us as the best tax plan. it will promote growth. that is what we need. some people, they come along and say you can't have a program like that. the guy who paid $1 billion has left $9 billion. that's no fair. that is called socialism. that is not who we are.

there are a lot of people who are trying to make us into a socialist country. but i will tell you something. they end up looking the same way. a small group of elites who control everything. a rapidly vanishing middle class. and a vastly expanded dependent class. if you have noticed, we are moving in that direction. have the ability to stop it. no one else can stop it except for us. we have to have the same determination and drive that the patriots had. georgere tired of king three and his tyrannical ways. what did they do? they invited everybody, even the loyalists. they said what kind of america do you want to have?

what are you willing to fight for? what are you willing to die for? they encouraged a ragtag bunch of militiamen to defeat the most powerful empire on earth. we need that some determination today. everyone here has a sphere of influence. you need to talk to the people in your sphere of influence. you need to get them to understand they must participate in this process. they must get registered. they must vote. must make their well-known. the country is about us. it is about the people. i will tell you something. freedom is not free. you have to fight for it. the minute you relax, it starts

to wane, we cannot allow that to happen. if we love our children, our grandchildren, we love the we love the, american dream. it is up to us. no one else can do it. thank you. [applause] mr. carson: we have time for a few questions. beot of them will answered if you go to our website. we would appreciate your support, obviously. ok. [applause]

[indiscernible] >> thank you for attending. i am an atheist voter. i am born and raised in iowa. i have a question about how your faith will play a role. some candidates have said, god's law trumps our country's law. do you agree? can you name a situation where that would be the case question mark secondly, mr. cruz said he is a christian first and american secondary does that hold true for you? mr. carson: first of all, everybody including atheists live according to their faith. it is what they decide to put their faith in. everybody's actions by their -- are ruled by their faith. in my case, i have strong faith in god and i live by godly principles. loving your fellow man,

developing your talents. having values and principles. that is going to dictate how i treat everybody. constitutionthe which is the supreme law of the land, was designed by men of faith. it has a judeo-christian foundation. therefore, there is no conflict. it is not a problem. does that answer your question? [applause] >> my question was, can you give a situation where god's law trumps the law here from your point of view? mr. carson: if we create laws the are contrary to

judeo-christian values that we think we should fight against those kinds of laws. that weally believe still have an obligation to obey the laws, whether we agree with them or not. be ase otherwise, we will lawless nation. that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight against anything we see as unjust. we have the mechanisms built into our system to allow those protests to take place. -- aat are your thoughts christian first and american second? mr. carson: iowa we say mr. cruz can think for himself. [applause]

>> you have spoken a lot about common sense and using your brain and i appreciate that. the questions and it debates, you responded you would seek the input of the experts. the experts in the scientific timidity agree climate change is a problem. can you explain that discrepancy and why you are not willing to listen to experts? mr. carson: i believe that anyone who is responsible recognizes they have an obligation to protect the environment. to pass it on to the next generation in as good a shape as you are founder. therefore, i don't subscribe to the port is asian -- politization of the environment.

the epa says if we implement every aspect of the clean power plant, it will lower the temperature of the earth by 0.05 85 years.hrenheit and the cost, billions of dollars. that makes no sense because that is ideologically driven. i am every bit for evidence driven things. that's what we do in medicine. we look at the evidence. that is one of the reasons, at century, wen of the look at evidence and make decisions based on evidence. there is no reason that should not be done in environmental science as well. [applause] >> i am a christian and i will for that atheist guy.

i have a question about how the bipartisan part will go when you are elected. mr. carson: the things i talk , they are not republican or democrat things. they are american things. that is one of the things i think needs to be emphasized. we have allowed ourselves to become too divided. jesus said it and abraham lincoln echoed it. a house divided against itself cannot stand. never can stand and never will stand. and yet, what is going on in our country? a war on women. ace wars. you name it. there a war going on. we are allowing the purveyors of hatred to hold sway. we must reject them. as americans, republicans or democrats, we have a lot more in

common than the things that separate us. the fact of the matter is, iowa we say, if two people agree about everything, one of them is not necessary. we have to get over this. what i was recommend is discussed things. is there anything wrong with sitting down with somebody you disagree with and having a civil discussion? talk about why you believe what you believe? what you will frequently discover is your notice for apart as you think you are. we live in a pluralistic society which means it is necessary for those to be able to have kinds of discussions. when you do not have those kinds of discussions, you end up with things like obamacare. out and the other side go behind closed the worst in

you hammer everything out. you make all these nefarious deals. the way the system was designed. one of the things that i would do as president is i would have regular meetings with both parties, together. all in one room. i would have the proceedings televised. canhe american people actually see who is on their side and who is not. [applause] almost impossible to

find out how your money is actually spent. tot can you do as president provide more transparency? of people, with the 9/11 commission, which that was reopened. had not been thoroughly vetted to read we got into the iraq war based upon what happened at 9/11. would you be willing to reopen some of those past investigations where people feel unsatisfied with the actual process? would be willing to open a lot of things that have been done in recent years. people shouldy get away with these things. , benghazi bothers the heck out of me. about the navy seals who disobeyed orders. they were on top of the compound

firing away, allowing many of the others to escape. i'm sure they were thinking, if we can just hold on, help is on the way. but help was not on the way. when did we reach a point where we do not try to help our people who are in trouble? i don't know when that occurred. that is absurd. make sure that is reversed in the people who are responsible are not hidden away. the are prosecuted to fullest extent of the law, where ever it reaches. [applause] mr. carson: this will have to be the last question. >> thank you for taking my question. are at theand i university, health care

workers. my question is with regard to prescription drug costs. people don't realize how much the u.s. subsidizes cheaper medication costs in canada. and britain. my question is, it is a double whammy because we have to develop the drugs. and then we pay more for them. my question is, what are you going to do to get canada and other developed countries to pay their share? mr. carson: there are a number of possibilities. one of the things i think would be very wise is to have the drug moreopment process done in the nih and less in the

private sector. so there will not tv same profit motive associated with it. the drugs are incredibly expensive. it is very very difficult for people to afford them. turkey and you can buy it for 100 of the cost here. sense, we't make any have to subsidize those costs. i'm very familiar with the drug industry. i am most joined a corporate board at one of the big drugmakers. i'm very glad i did not do that now. they do everything they do on a profit motive. concept ofwith the whether something that is so important to people's lies should be under the complete

control of people who only have a profit motive. when in fact, we have a mechanism to continue the research and development. so that we do not have those same kinds of costs. that is something i am in the process of studying. i am open to lots of different suggestions. in of the things i believe is solomon. the wisest man who ever lived. he said in a multitude of conflicts is safety. when we have a problem, rather than just assume you are the fountain of all wisdom and knowledge, why not listen to some other suggestions? we have a lot of people were smart and accomplished.

in a carson administration. we would be calling on lots of different people and find out what solutions they have. thise just close with little story. god has a sense of humor. the reason i believe that, when i was 14, i tried to stab localdy and the built saved them. it is not a fantasy. the media was over the story. they said it cannot possibly be true and we cannot find anybody to verify it. then they found the parade magazine article from 1997. they said, let's move on. that is what they did with all those stories. they were debunked. day, i startedat

reading from the book of proverbs. day.that every written by solomon. my middle name is solomon. i was going to have this affinity written -- from proverbs written by solomon. when he became the king of israel, do you remember the first thing he did? two women claimed to be the mother of the same baby. he said, divide the baby. that is when i became well known, when i separated babies. thank you very much. [applause] mr. carson: thank you very much. hello, young lady. >> don't hold that over his head, please. thank you. graduated from yellow, same day. mr. carson: fantastic.

against -- hold it mr. carson: thank you. >> we have to keep fighting. >> god bless. [applause] -- [indiscernible] >> can i get a selfie with you? mr. carson: excellent. >> dr. carson, thank you very much for coming. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> good to see you.

you canon: good to see read >> you have a lot of good things to say. >> can i get a selfie, please? >> good luck. >> thank you so much. nice to see you. >> i have seen you twice now. never quit. get a picture with the baby? oh my goodness. [indiscernible] >> i am so sorry.

>> is that good? one more. >> usually take a picture with me. congratulations. [indiscernible] >> they are navy. thank you. i'm going to be the best grandma ever. >> i cannot believe it. >> how are you doing, sir. >> praise the lord.

[applause] -- [indiscernible] mr. carson: it is there, on the website. >> i haven't seen you since barnes & noble. can we get a picture with you? [indiscernible] mr. carson: i bet one of those people back there -- fantastic. everybody is going to be in for a surprise on monday. absolutely. [indiscernible]

[indiscernible] mr. carson: he will -- how are you doing? she is not going to be able to get here. i just have to show her. thank you. mr. carson: hello there. know how to do a selfie? i am in pressed. -- impressed.

that's right. thank you. nice to see you. i love that jacket. all right. runaid, that man's got to for president. mr. carson: i would have done it otherwise. the hundreds of thousands of petitions. i said, if that many people want to do it, i guess i have an obligation. >> wonderful. thank you very much. i am working hard. i got one on board. mr. carson: excellent.

god willing, we are going to get this country moving in the right direction. the is, this country has never seen what capitalism looks like when it is associate's with compassion. when you do things the right way, you do what is right. it good for everybody. absolutely. thank you. you've got it. you got it. how you doing? to read >> if i can get this to work. clean you on to behalf of atheist across the country.

mr. carson: keep spreading the message among the atheists. the way the country was designed, it was a live and let live country. as long as my rights do not my life yours -- [laughter] ok. >> there you go. >> all right. thank you so much. carson: probably. west des moines. >> sounds good.

mr. carson: absolutely, pleasure. hi, how are you doing? can i get a picture? is he taking it? fantastic. absolutely. thank you, you, too. absolutely. -- i is the constitution have been pretty busy. dr. carson: fantastic. keep reading it. thank you. i made two phone calls last night. gladlyson: i would have

taken that call. fantastic. you, too. oh, absolutely. thank you. hey, man. >> can i get a picture with you? dr. carson: sure. >> thank you very much. dr. carson: you certainly can. >> it was fantastic. i forget the name of the fellow -- carson: henry louis gates. hi, nice to meet you.

>> i am a student here. i was wondering if you had any advice for me? dr. carson: learn how you learn. because everybody learns differently. can incorporate things like that, and mexico a whole lot faster. -- it makes it go a whole lot faster. can i get a picture? >> absolutely. dr. carson: that is my halo. [laughter] fantastic. we are working hard to make medicine fun again. you, too.

fantastic. hi. >> thank you. dr. carson: i am delighted to be here. good to see you. ok, hi, how are you doing? >> i am from chicago. may i have a picture? absolutely. thank you. dr. carson: it was that light right there. how are you? your story is fantastic, and it inspires many people. carson: thank you. >> can i get a picture? dr. carson: absolutely.

take care. thank you very much. i appreciate that. keep saying your prayers. we are going to save our country. believe me, we will fight that hard. we have to make medicine fun again. >> thanks for coming. dr. carson: absolutely. thank you. hey, congratulations on that beautiful baby. >> can we get a picture? dr. carson: absolutely. there is mom, over there. [laughter] thank you.

>> there you go. carson: beautiful. thank you. and congratulations. oh, fantastic. anybody else? >> i would like to say, you are an exquisite person. i really appreciate you being here. i have a suggestion. prove,mple, you have to one thing to consider. penalized. all of a sudden -- thatarson: i will have looked at. ok, i think we are done. i appreciate that. >> can i get a picture?

dr. carson: absolutely. did you get it? working hard, to save your generation. >> i have six kids. dr. carson: fantastic. surgeons, real nurses. >> and i have a daughter with down syndrome. thing -- my oldest. carson: ok. -oh. absolutely. ok. we have to run. >> two more real quick. dr. carson: alright.

>> i will be at the caucus. >> you are, or you want to? i wish my daughter to be here. dr. carson: look at the camera. tell her i said good luck. ok. thank you. >> do you have stuff on your website about what happens after obamacare? dr. carson: bencarson.com. >> my mom would kill me if i did not say i appreciate it. [laughter] carson: beautiful.

tell your mom i said hi. absolutely. >> thank you. dr. carson: my pleasure. >> god bless you. dr. carson: take care. a,nouncer: sunday night on q& author scott christiansen provides his thoughts on the documents of the world -- from the magna carter to dr. martin luther king's i have a dream speech. scott: there was a lot of

criticism of edward snowden. but he is viewed as an american hero around the world. so it does really cause people to really question who controls the documents, what are the power of documents? what are these things that the government is collecting? announcer: sunday night at eight 8:00 eastern on c-span. announcer: rick santorum toward a caucus photo exhibit at the pope county heritage museum. he took questions on criminal justice reform, planned parenthood, and the presidential race. this is just over an hour. >> hi, i am working with day. thank you so much for stopping by.

he is on his way down here. come on in. rick: my pleasure. good to see you. thank you. >> we have a section down here. this represents all of iowa. yes, sir. except for one democrat, actually. yes, sir. thank you. i'm just so happy you are here. you that i have shot you 115 times. 700: when you do over appearances --

>> have you got any shot in this race? rick: of course i do. come on in. how are you? this is my good friend dave davidson. how are you doing? >> i am fine. i don't think they handled you all that well yesterday. we will have a conversation about the news media, and how they have killed this race in a very decided way. -- they are here to do one thing, make money. they are not interested, that is not their job. they don't see it as their job. what theirs to do

board members want them to do, which is make a profit. and that is what they are doing. >> are the questions fair? rick: it is not just the questions, it is the access to programming. the whole concept of having bifurcated debates from the very beginning, with the use arbitrary figures that have nothing to do with the andidate's ability to win race. they create an underclass in the primary. that is just wrong. it is just not going to do it. you know, they made a decision that it was more important to get the eyeballs of the primetime debate, have all of -- folks at the debate registering at the national polls in one location. not because that was the right thing to do but because that would draw the most attention. we will figure that out afterwards. i tell you how we fix it. because i knew he ask that. the people of iowa say we will

not put up with that crap. we will do our job. four years ago, yes, i was on the debate stage. if you look at my time in the debate, the questions i got versus everybody else, the university of minnesota did something after about 19 debates -- we had 22. i was in last place, of all the candidates. but amazing thing about being in last place -- it was time for debate. they divided all of the people, divided by the number of the debates. i was in last place. the person above me was herman cain. he had not been to the last three debates because he had dropped out. he still had more time, even though it was divided into a larger number of debates. see, whoa -- as you they asked questions to? they asked people in the middle

because they are the ones, they believe, that would draw more eyeballs and attention to what they're doing. ad i just don't think it is service for the public. but again, that is not their job. but the perception is that is their job. that is the problem. a newsshould buy network. rick: we will see what i do a years from now, after i leave do white house -- what i eight years from now, after i leave the white house. i picked out some of my favorite shots from the current new cycle. vestu are rocking the here. -- actually come on over here. there is room over here. come on over, guys.

who is ever heard of rick's vest? matt is wearing one. little do you know that his vest actually wrote a book. it had its own twitter. these are some of the things that rick's vest said back then. i wanted to make it a poster to inspire rick again. ice is going back, perfect timing. everything is aligning here. we will leave it at that. that is one of my favorites. when you personify a piece of clothing, you have a lot of liberty here. i will say a couple of remarks about senator santorum. and i want to share with you -- i had the privilege of being rick santorum's photographer once he left iowa.

my brother was actually running his facebook the month of december, when he was surging. and i want to give dan a lot of credit for the grassroots in recovering thing. s. he won the iowa straw poll, and we were so much happy for him. i adore rick. when i think of rick santorum, a lot of people think of a candidate. i think he's family. i think of the day we spent together at winterset. we were about to take a family photo. you know, parenting comes first. since i have met rick, i've actually got five new members of my family. at the caucus, we had a foster baby that came that night. so we have eight children. my wife is not here, she is working as a nurse. back to that story. we had this family photo. of thehis boys was out

frame. but he put his family ahead. his family is great. one of the reasons i have an covering him so long, i hope to shoot his kid's wedding someday. mayor gray are great kids. i hope to be there. i love wedding cake. let us just give the time to senator santorum. he can say whatever he wants. it is his show. i just want to say to and thank you so much for being here today. [applause] rick: thank you, dave. if you have done over 700 events like this, townhall meetings and gatherings and speeches, you run into what i would call iowa icons. folks who sort of the fine what it is like -- who sort of

defined what it is like. i cannot speak before because i was not here, but david is the omnipresent person with a camera in your face. and very different angles, imad ad. he does crazy stuff. lure of thef the iowa caucus. when i found out about this, i was delighted he was given the opportunity to show his work here. and i wanted to come and a firm the great work -- affirm the great work he has done. and the great work he has done with the iowa caucuses, putting a graphic depiction. we just wanted to come by and say thanks to a friend, someone who is done a great job for us in getting our visual message out over the last five years. one of the things i believe in

is you say thanks to your friends. you spend time. it is a busy time for us. but you have to take the time to reward people who have done yeoman's work for you here in the iowa caucuses. thank you so much. i am actually very happy to take your questions. i guess i would say that, this kicking it off before they start, you know, i think we made a case last night. we want to make a case coming down the stretch that it is important to have someone go to washington, d.c. and fight to clean things up. we have a mess in washington. people are angry at washington. i understand that. but, you know, what do you want to do with that anger? you want to create something better? or do you want to just blow it up? i know a lot of people say just blow it up. what do you do the next day? blow it up again?

what are you going to accomplish? how would you change this for a better place? don't you want someone who is a track record who can actually do that? who understand the problems being confronted, ideas on how to solve them? the conservatives in this country that republicans in this country would like to see done. but what we have, at least if you believe the national polls, which i do not, is that we have , the lowerperience you do in the polls. i would just ask the people of iowa to take a step back. i know they are. a lot of folks are making decisions this week. there may be re-deciding, looking at the situation. i use the example when i was up in ames yesterday, and i will try it here, you know, iowa state as a great basketball team. but their football team has been

terrible for a long time. i know a lot of iowa state fans actually hate that. that somehowtrated or another they cannot produce a great football team. and they're just so angry. what are they going to do? they're going to fire the entire team, staff, coach. get rid of them, and replace them with someone who is a nuclear physicist. and they are going to put -- causese we want -- be hiring all these coaches you know about football is not gotten us anywhere. heneed to -- you know -- watches football. they read about it in the papers. they have an opinion on football because they sit and watch it all the time. it is not that they do not know anything about football club and have a conversational understanding of it. but we're going to put this really smart guy, very accomplished in his field, the best possibly, and we're going to put him in charge of the iowa

state football team. so, what is he going to do? because he has to run a football team. he does not know an x from an o, he doesn't know what defensive lineman looks like. what is he going to have to do? he has to hire a bunch of people who know about football. he will have to hire the establishment. he will have to hire the people who a been there who understand it really well. by the way, those are the very people you want to get rid of. because he doesn't have enough knowledge himself, he cannot navigate himself through the process of putting a football team together. you know they will have to hire? all of the people in washington who know how it works. otherwise, you will be clueless of what to do. how about hiring someone who understands the good guys and the bad guys are because maybe they have some experience and understand who have been

the problem, and you are part of the solution? that is what i would suggest to you. take a step back and look at someone who has fought as a conservative and won as a conservative. health savings accounts -- the revolutionary concept that conservatives push. who helped get it through> ? me. 1 problem ofr national security. who pushed the first bill through the senate, even though we had a president opposing it originally. that was president bush. right here. the biggest reform and entitlements and history of the country, the biggest reduction in spending, the biggest balancing of the budget, reducing all of the growth of entitlements, welfare reform in

1996, who managed an alternate? d authored it? right here. who stood up for life when no one else wanted to? a lot of people do not like what you do. and you get the media really mad because they absolutely disagree with you on these issues. who took on every major pro-life, and argued on the floor, right here. [applause] ok. i can go through -- everything water andarry the pull together a coalition to put together a family and conservative-friendly policy to combat aids in africa. the presidents emergency response, the president put together, and i was able to get that through right here. i still have bono doing shout

outs to me and concerts because i was the conservative who stepped forward to solve this problem. i can go on. the increasing, problems of autism. bringing all of the groups together to find a policy that would help create real answers for parents who are just worn apart by the issue of autism and what it is doing to their family. we got that done. we areclaiming -- reclaiming abandoned mines. who put them together? right here. i have a laundry list of things that we accomplished by bringing people together. i have a 92% and server devoting rating -- one of the highest. did i make people angry? yes. but i always respected people, even though i disagreed with

them, and sometimes very vocally. i was always able to bring people together to get things done. if that is what you want, someone who can fight hard and a cobbler something, you have an option. if you want someone who will walk into washington, look, everybody hates me. you have other options in this race. that is not me. tell me what you want. if you want to do something that can make this country be great again, than i would appreciate your help and support. i will be happy to take your questions. >> my question deals with intellectual property. so, given that somebody with a four-year engineering degree, if they choose to practice intellectual property law, they only have to take two years of additional schooling. why does it take more to get a simple patent issue.

we have supercomputers. they are made in wisconsin. i have been there. that is my question. attempts tolots of do reform. in fact, i have been against most of those efforts because i think they take away some of the rights that inventors need to have. we need to have patents. something that incentivizes people to go out and invent, and reward them for those inventions. hugeook, there is a huge, problem in all of our bureaucracies -- whether it is the v.a. or the patent office or the defense department -- not having efficiency. look at the fda and the approval process for drugs. there is just not well run organization. the bureaucracy was never

designed to deal with the complexity that we are dealing with in the modern world. this is the way government is set up, based on a theory that was greeted hundreds of years ago. we have not changed, modernized it. a lot of it may have to be to outsource some of this into private hands, as opposed to having government patent lawyers be up to sit down and not have any incentives to go through the process and to do it in a way that is responsive to the inventor. so, i would be very, very open at looking at ways to reform the patent office, the fda, some of inse other agencies that are the innovation system that the government has. so i guess i would say i am open to ideas on how we can integrate more private sector principles,

and maybe even farm out, part whether well of, can do it with a variety of different that for example, look at the fda. why do they have to go through all of these trials? why can't there be a way that we can hire labs? you dob, private sector, the work on this. instead of running it through the fda process. those are the kinds of things we can do answer utilizing the competitive forces out there to move these processes along. yes, sir? >> keep or get rid of our central bank? rick: i think we have to have the central bank. i don't know what alternative there would be. it?say we don't need we have to have

some monetary system in this country. don't we? well, understand we have the treasury. but we have to have some sort of monetary policy in this country. i know some people say go back to the gold standard. well, that is fraught with a lot of problems, particularly given where most of the gold is being found in the world today. the question is, we have a very political federal reserve right now that is going along with this president and supporting his policies of deficit bending and big government constraining growth. fed of this, you have the with a problem that is political. number two, it has a dual charter. only sayd's onl inflation, not be concerned about deployment. i think that dual charter has

caused all sorts of problems that have gotten away from sound of money policies. those are the things i would try to push forward to try to transform that area of the government. yes. >> my question revolves around health care. so, i know a lot of people with families here, their lives have been touched by cancer. so has my family. what do we do to promote health care innovation? way is tobest get the government as far away from it as possible. when you have right now is the government increasingly, over half of the expenditure on health care is the government -- medicare and medicaid. by the way, both are going up 11% increases this year. it is the second and third largest programs in the government. you want to talk about increasing the deficit? innovationancrease

is to get washington micromanaging, medicare and medicaid are such big paers. payers. it is what medicare will pay for. if they don't pay for the vacuum and you have the private sector. the government in many cases regular innovation as to the therapies and drugs they will reimburse for. notuld have the marketplace cover something. but at least you have the customers without insurance saying, you know, we will go somewhere else. you have no options with medicare and medicaid. the government says we do not care what you think. we will do what we think. decide the marketplace where customers want to go in the processes they want. another problem with innovation,

a very dear friend of mine has ovarian cancer right now. she has stage 4. it is very serious. if you look at the therapy right now -- the highest is 25%. there are therapies overseas that have higher survival rates, but they're not offer because they have not been approved by the fda. she is traveling out of the country to get care for cancer. really, to debbie happening in america? have some options available? we do not. all that is the government saying no. so this is a big, big problem. the government needs to get out of the health care business, which means obamacare has to go. that way you do not have a

centralized agency making these kinds of coverage decisions. each state can make them. at least you have laboratories to determine what is working and what is not. medicare should go to a private sectors system, so the government should be able to pay for premiums -- a certain amount of premiums. and you need private insurance. again, that way the consumer can move to better coverage they want. now if you really want to see innovation, you have to get the government out of the health care business. remember your 2012 caucus night. i was there until 3:00 in the morning. i applaud your victory in 2012. timee want you to spend with us on caucus night. right?t is right here,

the hilton garden inn. that is where we will be at. >> senator, i think both sides of the aisle can agree with the dysfunction of the judicial system. of know, the incarceration so many black and brown people, what is your answer to that? how do we fix our judicial system, that the number of people in jails today are just overwhelmingly black and brown? rick: most of the people in jail are in state prisons, state courts. not to the federal system. in fact on the federal system is a relatively small part of the criminal justice system. so as far as kernel justice reform at the federal level, i think we have done things on the federal level. back in the 1990's, democrats and republicans alike supported tougher sentences on drug crimes

in the light. i said i am open to looking at those, whether we need to have as many people in prison -- offenses.ug crime most of the people on drug violations are in state courts, not in federal prison. look, i come back to the bottom line. i say this all of my speeches. unless we deal with the root problem, you are dealing with the symptom not the problem. the symptom is that we have a lot of kids ending up in our court system. why are they there in the first place? they are not there just because they were walking down the street doing nothing. it is because they are not, most of the time they are not. ok, let us just be honest. we are going to talk about the vast majority of situation. i agree with you.

there are some bad actors out there. but that is not the majority. we all know that. the reason why some kids are picked up is because we have a lot of folks doing bacd bad things. that is why they get picked on. let us get real. in the neighborhood where the crimes are the highest, what don't we have? dads. that is what we don't have. unless we start dealing with the problems of marriage and fathers -- >> we don't have police in suburbia arresting kids doing the same thing kids are doing in the urban areas. let uss we all know, ok, just have a real conversation about this. let us look at the areas where we have the highest rate of failure in schools, the highest rate of drug abuse, other criminal activity. we have the highest rates of out of wedlock births, lack of

employment. we know what those neighborhoods are treated there are no dads. i can tell you, i will refer you to a book written by a liberal harvard professor. "our kids." he wrote that book to refute the democratic argument, the stratification of wealth in america, he lays them all out -- they are all true. by the way, i accept them. all of those things are happening in america. talking about the problems in our schools, economic opportunity. but in the end, the biggest problem -- it is an irrefutable fact. the biggest problem facing people being able to rise in society is the breakdown of the nuclear family. that is the reality. the center for american progress, some organizations you might have heard of, a liberal

think tank, said, gee, we may have to start using the f w ord. which is family. there is no coincidence that the highest income americans also have the highest marriage rates, the lowest out of wedlock birth rates, you just go down the list. there are certain things we know. for example, brookings institute said if you do three things in your life are less than 5%. you know what they are? graduate from high school, working full-time job, and get married before you have children. if you do those three things, you will almost never be in poverty in america. when do we say that> ?we talk about reform, instead of white kids in depth in the bad situation, because the family has disintegrated.

patrick moynihan wrote in the late 1960's about the potential tragedy that was going to befall the black community. he got hammered by the left. but now that rate is over 70%. the reality is that that community has suffered tremendously as a result. and i know we can point our fingers and a lot of other things. but we keep ignoring the reality that we have to establish a at leastculture again, for poor communities in america to be able to have any chance, any chance of rebounding. and i can tell you as president of the united states, there is not a whole lot of laws we can pass. there are things we can do with welfare laws that actually create barriers to marriage, create barriers to work. they are profound. and we need to do something about that. i guarantee you that i will. but we also have to have the

courage to get the microphone and go out and talk to the american public and the community and say we have to start at the school, church, community level. with businesses, government, the media the popular culture. we have to stop this idea that it is ok, it is ok. because kids are dying. kids are struggling. kids are drug-addicted because we do not have the courage to go out and talk about why it is actually a good thing for mothers and fathers to take responsibility to love and care for their children. unless we have occurred to do that, this problem is going to continue. in fact, it will continue to expand. and you have my pledge that i will care and focus more on this problem that any president in history of this country. and i hope that america will join me on that. yes, sir. >> education ties into this.

our public education is moving people towards four-year colleges, maybe when they should be pushing some of them into the trade schools. bringrn welding, manufacturing back to the u.s. rick: i want to ask you a couple of questions. what did i announce for president? >> in a manufacturing location? rick: on the floor of a manufacturing plant. i said i would make them the number one manufacturer in the world. i talked about reinstituting vocational education. how we had to start elevating the worker in this country, who works with their hands, given the same level of dignity and respect. they make things in america. if you want to do that and create wealth, everybody else will do a lot better if we do a lot more.

you mentioned welding. jobs are 250,000 welding starting at about $40,000 a year. what does the president do? we're going to give you college and give you $70,000 to borrow. you go to anat, if 18-year-old and offer them a $70,000 loan, they go off and buy a bmw. they can get to their job with a $5,000 car. educationt a $15,000 and get your job just as well. but we don't talk like that. after high school coming to go work for a bit. earn some money. go to school part-time. engage in the educational institutions as you would in every aspect of your life. the government has tilted that. saying it is a requirement. it is not. we will give you free money, which puts you way behind the

eight ball. and you have bernie sanders going around saying free education, which you will be paying for the rest of your life because we have to borrow money. and you will have to pay it back. what about the 74% of americans age 25-65 who do not have a college degree? they are going to be paying for your free education. how fair is that? everybody think that's fair, raise your hand? let me tell you. you are paying for it. you are paying for someone who was going to go and get a $70,000 education. you're not just paying for someone to get an education, or the equivalence to use the current example, you are not paying for some of the get to the job, you're paying for all these kids to get bmws. that is a good deal. how much is burning really helping -- is bernie sanders really helping? someone has to go out and tell

the truth to the american people about how we consume not just health care, but how we consume education. it is broken because the government is involved and corrupting it. yes, ma'am? >> federal funding of planned parenthood. organizationn started by a eugenicist racist. it is an organization that continues to hold to the values of that person who they honor, margaret sanger. someone who rotates clinics in areas near colleges and universities and other places, that you see a high number of people looking for abortion services. they are primarily an abortion provider. they are not -- the money that is supposed to fund the planned parenthood is not to go to abortions. it is to go to women's health services. as we saw from testimony in

congress, 86% of their services are abortion related. they have very little health services. and they do not provide comprehensive women health services, as they testify. they don't do mammograms, for example. they don't do other screenings that health clinics do. why? because they are an abortion clinic that does ancillary services related to abortion thought it happen to have applications for abortion. the reality is there is much better places to go here in iowa. i think there are 217 women's health service centers in iowa. i think there are 11 planned parenthood clinics. so if we took the money that goes to planned parenthood, which is an abortion provider predominantly, and take that money is allocated to these other services, where women can

going get comprehensive and better services, that would be a good idea. if what you care about is subsidizing abortion clinics, by giving that money for women's health, than you pose -- >> what you say about these crisis pregnancy centers, which give them false information. rick: what false information? >> that they will not be fertile anymore. that their only option is to have the baby or adoption, that i don't have a choice to get an abortion. that is false information. rick: do you think women that don't know they can have an abortion show up? >> there are people that give false information. i'm asking how you feel about that. rick: i am very familiar with pregnancy care centers. centersll you that most actually give women who come in

who do not want to abort, and that is a relatively small percentage in some cases, who want some help in being able to keep their child. some come in who are abortion-minded. fact, what all of the health centers i know of a what they do is they provide them information. what planned parenthood does is keep them in the market. dark. they provide information about abortion. they don't give options. that there are other options available. that is what these centers do. they say there are options. we have ways to help and support if you want to keep your child. we actually do something that planned parenthood does not -- they provide free sonograms so people can actually see what is going on. planned parenthood says this is just a blob of tissue. this is not really live.

which of course, is a lie. it is a lie. i was asked the other day by a news network, they were introducing me, they said this is rick santorum is that all of the stuff. he believes life begins at conception. i think no i don't. the guy was stunned. it says right here you believe life begins at conception. i don't believe, i know life begins at conception. the biological fact. if you look at any biology textbook, all human life -- all animal life -- begins at conception. as you are genetically an individual from that moment of conception. that genetic code does not change. that entity is metabolizing. you are genetically human, you are alive. at the moment of conception we have a human life. i can tell you planned parenthood does not say that.

when someone comes in and they do not have the information, you think they show them the child? they turn the monitor a way they cannot see what the truth is about what is actually inside of their womb. if there is anybody line to women it is the abortion movement for a long, long time. they consistently lie. you can get rid of this problem and that will solve your problem. i've talked to a lot of women that an abortion did not solve, created more problems. whether it is an abortion clinic or a care center, women have the right to the truth. they have a right to know what it is, where they are in the gestation of that child. what their options are. they need to know that there are some people that will help and support them. i don't know of any planned parenthood clinic that supports women if they decide to not have

an abortion. do you know of any that actually support the option not to have one? pregnancy care centers have post-abortive counseling. helpe gets counseling, to after, do you know planned parenthood that provides services to women who choose not to have an abortion? i don't know of any. who is lying? who is really trying to provide care for the women? if you're really care about the women coming your respect either choice and support them in whatever choice they have. that is what pregnancy care centers do. that is not what an abortion center does. who respects women most? >> if i can add to that. you happen to be standing next to a piece of art that it is my honor to the millions of american that never made it. it is my protest. i appreciate it. next to thestanding

most important piece of art in this gallery. it is a representation of babies who did not make it to the high chair. rick: let me just thank you for taking the time to come out. obviously, if you want to help, we have headquarters up in urbandale. we will of the have you come up and make some phone calls. pleaselike to go caucus, go on monday. if you want to speak for us, come over and sign up. patty is over here. we appreciate all the support you could give us. thank you very much. [applause] >> is whatever you want to do right there. we want to get you involved in the art here. whatever you want to do. nice. there you go.

rick: thank you. >> that precious piece of art, right here. rick: nice to meet you. >> there you go. >> thank you. rick: some nice people gave me this yesterday. thank you very much. appreciate your help.

>> perfect. it would be amazing. rick: are you here with the media? >> i am from australia. rick: there you go. >> thank you. rick: sure. there you go.

alright. you want me to sign it? there you go.

[indiscernible] rick: good to see you again. >> thanks for coming out.

i am just laying out the reality of how the race is structured. i feel very optimistic. i think everybody on the stage last night, you are from all of , i think most of the show -- in spite of the way we have been treated by the media. so, wenot argue the way, have summoned to say. we trust the people of iowa. ago, you were emphasizing blue-collar populism. and immigration. do you feel like your message has been dropped? ll, yourople say, we

message is resonating. atay no, a lot of folks look that i get this all the time. choose the to candidate than the most align with on the issue. i hear this on the time. i'm at the top of the list. it is great to hear that. but i think that you have seen a lot of candidates have moved on the issues the kind of race iran four years ago, -- the race i ran four years ago, i think donald trump has resonated with voters. and i think that is a wonderful thing. i really do. i cannot complain that someone else takes -- when either my lines being repeated by other candidates that i did four years ago, that is flattering.

they can understand how can say there is not much difference on the candidates in these issues. kleenex you want clea or generic tissue. i think the fact that we started out,usa was tweeting this i was the only person with a name on their list. the next highest is a b-. but everybody else, everybody is amazed at this territory. that tells you something. that we put something out there that i think that putting ideas out there in a way that i think you're seeing other people take and try to use our positioning on this issue.

in a way that can connect with a lot of i think theus a good thing. i'm glad the republican party, at least republican candidates are moving in this direction. >> are you surprised that you're come peeing with cruz and trump? rick: i don't think anyone would have suggested that donald trump was one of them and i certainly was one of them. but i thought cruz and rubio were credible candidates as incumbent senators and their ability to raise money -- that they would have some ability to make this a race. there are others who i thought would be better candidates. they started out the race last year -- early last year. people were saying, oh, we have such a much better field of candidates. people weren't feeling so