at the political environment in the hawkeye state. as always, we will take your calls and you can join the conversation on face book ♪ host: 36 hours left before the democrats and republicans hold her caucuses in iowa. they try to seal the deal with supporters and those still on the fence. a view of downtown des moines and the final poll released last night shows a slightly for hillary clinton, within the margin of error. it's a dead heat for the democrats and a narrow lead for republican front-runner donald trump. who will show up tomorrow night? it is sunday morning, january 31. coverage continues all day here on the network.

we want to hear from you with this question. what is the single biggest issue for you and the campaign? if you live in iowa, new hampshire, or elsewhere around the country what will motivate you to vote. what is this campaign all about? for democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. if your independent, (202) 748-8002. we do have a line set aside for those living in the hawkeye state. (202) 748-8003. and many of you already weighing in on the facebook page. good sunday morning to you and thank you very much for being here with us as we talk about this campaign. we will have live coverage tomorrow evening of the democratic and republican caucus. we are the only network that will take you inside the caucuses and show you in their entirety and explain the

process. the des moines register, a poll from last night showing how close the race is. on the republican side with donald trump, his lead at 28% compared to 23% for ted cruz, marco rubio at 15% and dr. ben carson at 10%. rand paul, chris christie and the other candidates in the single digits. the poll is available on the des moines register fred -- website. for the republicans, hillary clinton holding onto a narrow lead under -- over bernie sanders. 45% to 42%. martin o'malley at 3%. let me show you this headline. america 2016, we are mad as hell. that's where the tone is in this campaign. interviews with dozens of voters in both parties. the driving motivation is stay

in uprising in iowa. they are fed up of lawmakers in washington that work for two or three days a week and get little done aside from raising money to stay in office. they are mad about stagnant wages, companies sending jobs overseas and terrorists sneaking across the borders. trump andtic donald chief rival senator ted cruz and for democrats is support for senator bernie sanders. live from davenport, iowa is jason noble for the des moines register. thank you for being with us. caller: place for having me. host: give us a sense of what we are seeing today and tomorrow and which campaigned on the republican side is best repaired to get supporters to the caucuses. guest: today, tomorrow, and all last week it's been this incredible surge of candidates and surrogates all across the state. they are really making a final push, appearing in the towns to

shore up support and making sure people are going to turn out. on the republican side organizationally, i think we have a sense that ted cruz has the strongest on the ground organization. he has been campaigning very hard for going on a year. he has locked up endorsements from some very influential leaders within the evangelical social conservatives constituency in iowa which historically has been important. the thing to watch is donald trump's campaign. he runs a very unconventional campaign. he reaches out the people who have not engaged in the iowa caucuses before. if he can to see bring those people out on caucus day and what kind of organization he has backing up the real enthusiasm of this crowd. which isr newspaper

releasing the final hole before the caucuses get underway. a dead heat for the democrats. a slightly for donald trump. a margin of error of 4%. historically it's been a pretty accurate gauge what happens on caucus night. who shows up? guest: that's right. heate looking at a dead between the two front runners. to whoing to come down has the organization of the ground to make sure there supporters actually turn out. what for those in iowa, has it been like on television with a constant barrage of advertising? caller: it's definitely constant and is not just television. i've been driving across the state following jeb bush's campaign and listen to a lot of fm radio. it's pretty inescapable there too. the go online and visit new

sites to let digital advertising and on tv it is just one at after another. been a realasn't key factor between people's decisions. it's more on grassroots outreach and they are taking their chances. they want to make sure the message is being heard anywhere in my be heard. tv, radio, online, everything. host: we are covering to caucuses tomorrow. one in des moines and wa -- one northwest of des moines. des moines is the capital and center of the state. two very different political demographics in eastern iowa versus western iowa for both parties. can you explain? caller: the general rule is that the further west to go the more conservative and republican it is. the further east, the more liberal and democrat.

two you see were candidates invest their time. in northwest iowa it's very conservative a more evangelical. that's a place for you really see ted cruz, mike huckabee invest a lot of time. the small towns and rural towns out there. candidates like jeb bush and chris christie have focused in on the eastern half of the state. davenport, to view, cities along the mississippi river. there's a history of more moderate republican support with -- on the democratic side bernie sanders and a poll we did a few weeks ago we saw that 27% of his support was located in just 30 towns in iowa. three counties with major universities. base of the state is

located in those college towns. iowa city, ames, cedar falls. hillary clinton has been focused much more stabilized that statewide. -- has been much more focused statewide. given the democratic process, it's advantageous for a campaign who has resources to go into the more rural areas and places were democrats are not as strong. the way the delegates are allocated, that could be a good strategy. host: jason noble, political reporter for the des moines register. we want to thank you and the staff of the des moines register for these months. always sharing. information it's a big day today and tomorrow. you get to do it all over again because iowa is a swing state in the general election. caller: that's right. host: thank you very much are being with us. we appreciate it. this is the headline from the des moines register website.

" clinton keeps slim is over bernie sanders in iowa poll." that's on the des moines register website. " what is the single biggest issue in this campaign? ultimately it's jobs." somer facebook page, comments from tom squyres. hile --e the budget w " restoring our constitutional republic. do that and never the also followed a place naturally." let's go to matthew in beverly, massachusetts. independent line. point: to mr. noble's about rural america, i would like to encourage martin o'malley supporters to break with hillary. the most important issue for me is integrity. works that no vote

counts of us a candidate gets 15% which o'malley will not get. they should go for bernie because hillary is such a corporate issue. she was on the board of walmart is the first lady of arkansas. sam walton said he would never let what is purchasing agents take a handkerchief from a salesman. that pretty much speaks for itself. host: thank you. we go to jerry in detroit. democrats line. caller:. good morning and thank you for having me on host: what's the biggest issue for you? caller: i would have two issues. one is the discrepancies in the justice system, particularly racially motivated police brutality and excessive force. and also the issue of gun control. with the issueg of civilian ownership of military type assault weapons.

that the gun lobby seems to have an anything goes attitude towards the second amendment. go, i am police issues hoping either the democratic candidates who addressed the issue of racist cops and their treatment of unarmed african-american men. host: thanks for the call. we have aligned set aside for those of you that live in iowa. don is next from west des moines, republican. will you be caucusing tomorrow evening? caller: you bet i am, first time in my life. cap 67 years old -- i am 67 years old. light at 67 have you not been the previous caucuses? caller: i never took the time. i guess i feel like in today's world i have a deeper understanding of what's really

going on. has gotten blurred from conservative to liberal or republican to democrat. it really goes deeper than that. you never hardly hear it addressed very often except there are two candidates out there that will address one aspect of it. they refer to political correctness. most people are familiar with political correctness. somewhat. what is really the basis of political correctness is postmodernity, postmodernism. it is a collection. really outdview that of touch with reality. host: who is your candidate? caller: donald trump. there are two candidates that

address political correctness. donald trump and ben carson. i love ben carson. i think he is an outstanding human being. i think he's an exceptional human being. but ben. does not have the moxie to be president host: let me read this headline. this is from the newspapers. america 2016 is focused on what is happening in iowa. we are mad as hell. and we are not going to take it anymore" do you agree? caller: you bet. we've had seven years of total nonsense. we have a president that you talk about a poster child for postmodernity. you take barack obama -- here is to trade uphis can

an army deserter for five terrorists. that is insanity. where does that come from? where does that can of thinking come from? if you look at the tenets of postmodernism, the first thing and biggest thing is are we as making our own choices? we postmodernist would say are computers made out of meat. free will is an illusion. it is not. host: thank you for that call and sharing your insights. we will be covering the republican and democratic caucus. we also covered a training session in des moines by the democratic party of about 100 precinct captains in attendance. we carried it late yesterday and it's on her website at c-span.org.

what iss immigration is causing 99% of every problem we face in america. compares the distraction immigration does the jobs, schools, social systems and mental health care. cody says legalize freedom. take back the constitution. obama and the globalist elite are dedicated to the destruction of this country. your says marijuana legalization and criminal justice reform of the single biggest issues. a republican cannot win without supporting either. jim from north dakota on the republican line. caller: what's up? i'm looking at the tv screen right now. muslims in germany. it's funny you guys have not talked about that. i've been following that on some internet sites. thank god we have alternatives now. hundreds of women attacked by syrian refugees, not by guys name dieter or sven.

they are muslims. stockholm has become the rape capital of the west. as white people we don't care. we seem not to care about our own people even know we are a percent of the earth's population. population.earth i will vote -- i am registered in pennsylvania. i work out here. i go back and forth. bernie sanders is interesting as an example of the bias institutional bias in our country. i was 18 years old when reagan came in. i remember those days back in pennsylvania and a little factory town. everything was gray. it was pretty bad under carter. they were talking all the time about reagan's age. he was like 72. it was a huge issue. mondale tried to make something of it and reagan turned it around the famous quote.

bernie is 75 years old. by the time he used some of his first term he will be approaching 80. the liberals have no concern about that. the guy looks like he is 95. bernie is also a guy that's a little bit like me. he fled new york for vermont. find a there to wonderful white state to live in. i did too. fored central bucks county illegal immigration to where i could have the kind of world i grew up in. and to find a place for there is not millions or thousands of legal aliens in my trade. -- illegal aliens in my trade. liberalism and socialism where is better in a homogenous situation. that's why brady can say something like he wants a danish kind of system. vermont is basically like denmark.

it's overwhelmingly white with a lot of trust and unity because of my canadian brings university -- unity. host: time magazine. a look at the supporters for bernie sanders. and donald trump it's available online at time.com. a look at the demographics of iowa. 3.1 million residents. 87% white. 6% hispanic or latino. 6% -- 3% black. about 5% are foreign-born. next is joe from south carolina. caller: how are you doing today? i haven't talked to you in in a while so happy new year. i will try to keep it -- the single biggest issue for me is national security/military. i can't mention that without

mentioning a supporting issue. you're right in the middle this every day. you know the deity is operating -- dod is operating under sequestration. it's under discretionary spending. thatod bag for every dime they get. nationalention security without illegal immigration. i will be careful to say illegal. it sometimes impacts our national security on the local level. those folks to come and draw on our social programs which are on the mandatory spending side of the house, they get stuff automatically. the only way we're going to build our military up and assure our national security is to go back to jobs and economy. that's the supporting issue because i robust economy will provide revenue was will help us build our military again. that is my issue and supporting

issue. thanks again to c-span for the realzone. -- real no spin zone. bloomberg businessweek with 1681 caucus locations. a different process for the republicans and democrats. what it looks like from the article. both getting underway at 7:00 local time. on the republican side it will be speeches by each of the surrogates representing a candidate. on the democratic side there is a lot of back-and-forth. you have to reach a percentage of 15% perc. marco rubio crisscrossing the state yesterday in iowa. we caught up with him on the campaign trail. here's a portion of what he had to say. [video clip] >> if hillary clinton or bernie sanders wins, all the damage

barack obama has done to america becomes permanent. obamacare is here to stay. unconstitutional executive orders are here to stay. these custom our military continue. our standing in the world continues to erode. the second amendment, our rights will continue to erode. everything that barack obama has done remains in place and worsens. hillary in particular cannot be the president of the united states. hillary clinton is not qualified to be commander-in-chief. she stored classified information on a private server because she believes she is above the law. she believes she is above the law. the information is so classified they cannot even release the e-mails. hillary clinton cannot be the commander-in-chief of the united states. [applause] host: senator marco rubio yesterday. the new york times reported on the classification of those e-mails. a story from friday.

the first time top-secret material has been sent through hillary clinton's private computer server and it would not make public 22 of her e-mails because they contain highly classified information. new york times endorsing governor john kasich. was the editorial looks like. a chance to reset the republican race. ohio, a john kasich of distinct underdog, is the only plausible choice for republicans tired of extremism and inexperience on display in this race. he is no moderate. he has gone after public sector unions, talk to limit abortion rights, and opposed same-sex marriage. still, as a veteran of partisan fight and bipartisan deals during nearly two decades in the house, he is incapable of copper mines in belize and the ability of government to improve lives. that's an editorial from the new york times. julius from north carolina on the democrats line. good morning.

caller: good morning. my biggest issue was donald trump and ted cruz and marco rubio. cruz has this make america grin on his cap. host: that is donald trump. caller: that's donald trump. donald trump is going to make america go back to the days of george wallace. i want everybody to listen to me. donald trump is for donald trump. and you will better heed the word he is really saying. caller: my candidate's hillary clinton. this tweet.with " lots of trump supporters in iowa. i wonder if that will result in caucus support."

we welcome our listeners on c-span radio. if carried live on sirius xm. 124. we welcome you as well. and other bbc parliament channel. on the web at c-span.org. the choice for the two parties, governor john kasich for the republicans and hillary clinton for the democratic nomination. "mrs. clinton's main opponent, bernie sanders asbury to be more from edible the most people, including mrs. clinton anticipated. he has brought income inequality and the lingering pain in the middle class of the center stage and pushed mrs. clinton a bit more to the left that she might have gone on economic issues. has also surf its important foreign-policy questions, including many for greater say in the use of military force. in the end though mr. sanders does not have the breadth of experience of policy ideas that mrs. clinton offers. to breakst proposals

up the banks and do start all over again with health care reform of the medicare for all system has earned him support among innovative middle-class voters and young people. but his plans for achieving them are not realistic. while mrs. clinton has very good, and achievable proposals in both areas. elkins, west virginia. . good morning caller: hello. this is my first call. issue.just one general -- about the history of this country and the current sadness of affairs. me other thing that bothers is the apparent ignorance of the candidates about the limits of somedential power to alter

of the things that need to be changed. host: thanks for that call. wasre live later today senator bernie sanders as part of our road to the white house coverage. also live coverage of donald trump and senator ted cruz. we will catch up with senator rand paul along with his father. all the campaign coverage of all the candidates you can check it out online at c-span.org. this is a story from the des moines register. senator bernie sanders yesterday in iowa city assembly is largest iowa crowd yet 48 hours before the state officially kicks off his presidential nominating contest. it was a heavy crowd at the university of violent for the burning -- university of iowa. the crowd count at 3900 people. that story available on the des moines register website. we will go to rochelle from franklin, indiana. democrats line. caller: good morning c-span.

speaklooking to rubio about mrs. clinton's qualifications. she is more the qualified. as far as her e-mail, i never wonder what anybody brings up and the warnings she received. to answer mr. rubio's question, nine months ended george bush's presidency they took white out to the white house. gas has never been more perfect in our lives and i 52 years old. she is more than qualified. she has paid her dues. she has a heck of a resume. people on vote for either side, i would go with donald trump and hillary clinton. host: rochelle from indiana. another viewer says nothing will

change because of the current congress. the house and senate members block everything except voting to repeal obama care. the question we are asking on this caucus eve is what is the single biggest issue for you in this campaign? after iowa we moved to new hampshire and the union leader with a story about the one candidate in new hampshire on this sunday before the iowa caucuses, john kasich. he has the state to himself on this day. he was the first -- he has the first primary state to himself. he can make a case for his electability with a double dose of policy and philosophy. we are here for a moment of time he said yesterday at the merrimack the us of you -- vfw. our job is to make the world better place. this is not some kind of political rhetoric. three town hall meetings yesterday and another two today. by the weekend he will have help with than 100 town hall meetings in the state during the primary season.

one of the latest ads by the bernie sanders campaign taking aim at wall street. [video clip] one of the wall street banks >>, goldman sachs just settled of the authorities for their part of the crisis that put 7 million out of work and millions out of their homes. how does wall street get away with it? millions in campaign contributions and speaking fees. our economy works for wall street because it is rate by wall street. that is the problem. as long as washington is bought and paid for, we cannot build an economy that works for people. i am bernie sanders and i approve this message. host: democrats line, good morning. basically my main concern is economics, jobs. i don't understand why with all

the need for infrastructure, buildings and bridges, that we can't get work for the people who need jobs. i just felt like -- the democrats have tried, the democrats and obama have tried to get that through. it felt like the republicans were denying it. or blocking it. so, that's one thing. another thing is -- political correctness. what is it? respect? talking in a respectful way? we used to have that. both sides. and i miss that. that's all i want to say. have a nice day. host: thank you, myra. in the viewer with the handle -- the issuesston -- on most important to him. "the economy around here is good.

hiring signs everywhere." let's take a look at 2008. a huge victory for then senator barack obama, propelling him to the nomination. john kerry in 2004. al gore won the iowa caucuses back in 2000. previous winners include senator tom harkin, who joined us , andrday, by the way congressman dick gephardt, winning in 1988. on the republican side it was rick santorum with a very narrow victory, just three dozen votes over mitt romney. initially mitt romney was declared the winner in 2012. mike huckabee, winning in 2008. george w. bush winning in 2000 in 1996 and 1988 and bob dole winning -- of course he is from one of the neighboring states in kansas. robert in henderson,

kentucky. good morning. the most important issue in this election is racism. it most intractable problem in america and i don't see any republican candidates addressing the issue. they just want to gloss over it. thently in a debate with congressional black caucus the issue was raised for only five minutes. donald trump, he is the front runner. he has the platform in the media attention and has not addressed that because it is not popular with the people. that is the most important part about this country, the lack of addressing racism. it should not just be yelling and screaming accusations, like alex jones recently had.

an honest discussion of racism needs to take place in this country. thank you they much, have a blessed day. what is the biggest issue for you that will motivate you to get out and caucus from iowa? we have aligned set aside for iowa voters -- we have a line set aside for iowa voters. as you move on to the other primaries early in mid-march, tell us what's on your mind. this issue from ms. harrington -- host: let me share with you the ,eporting of dan bowles front-page story this morning -- "front -- trump and sanders put tradition to test in iowa."

is next fromoins south williamsport. good morning. caller: my biggest issues are gun-control come immigration. people on the left must think that no one thinks logically. if you allow free immigration over the borders the way that they favorite, you could be -- i could buy an illegal gun brought

over by an illegal immigrant because no one thought to stop them. you know, it's just logical. you could ban every gun and i could come over the border. you know? we've got thousands of people coming across the border every month. they can bring a gun, they could pay the coyotes with it. -- thanks for the call. another viewer -- bloomberg news reporting this announcement yesterday from the white house, the president will visit a u.s. mosque for the first time in his presidency. he will do so this week when he travels the baltimore to meet with muslim community leaders. he will hold a roundtable with community members and of course reiterate the importance of staying true to our core values, welcoming fellow americans, speaking against bigotry and rejecting indifference.

that statement from the white house. now from utica, michigan, independent line, good morning. it's interesting how different people have issues that are important to them. mine is about lack of trust. not being transparent and honest. a lot of these candidates just tell you what you want to hear. i'm in between trump and sanders. i know that they are not bought and paid for. host: donald trump or bernie sanders, let's suppose either are elected. how do you think they will be -- how do you think they will govern? caller: [indiscernible] not so much swayed by the people that got them in office.

washington, d.c., it has the same problems. hopefully in our next election we will vote some of these people out. for adding your voice to the conversation. how far is utica from detroit? have you been immersed in the whole water supply issue in michigan? it's just terrible. as far as i'm concerned, michigan and detroit have such a terrible reputation. i don't understand how it can happen, but it has. hopefully they get these people out of office and get some honest people. michigan is still a great state to live in. it's said that something like

this could happen. host: thank you very much for the call. this story is from the front ,"ge of "the new york times with pictures here not of the candidates, but of the supporters. hillary clinton, marco rubio, donald trump, here's what the -- y points out

host: last night hillary clinton appeared with her daughter and her husband at a campaign event. clinton: people that work full-time should not still be in poverty. and let's finally get equal pay for women's work once and for all. [cheers and applause] everything i've just told you, the republicans don't believe with -- believe in. they don't care about infrastructure jobs. they don't care about manufacturing. they don't seem to care about

clean energy jobs the way we should and they don't seem to think that equal pay is a problem. that is an alternative reality that they are living in and trying to sell to us. we have to stand against it. we have to be ready to fund what we need to grow together. the way that we are going to do that is by making the tax code fair. which means we are going with the money is. wealthyy is where the are. we are going to change the tax code and make them pay for all the benefits they've got here in america. host: hillary clinton on the campaign trail. this is the headline from within iowa -- even don't supporters are feeling defensive. michael, new kensington, pennsylvania. republican line. what the single biggest issue for you in this campaign, mike? caller: thank you for taking my call, steve. i really think that the

constitution is a huge issue right now. the presidential powers have thatso usurped over time we have gone from what george washington thought the president was to do, which was more or less to preside over congress and the house, the senate and things like that. now we have presidents that declare wars and do all kinds of things. president obama has made his regulations, has tried to institute regulations on the general public. i like ted cruz, because i think he is someone who has a good foundation in the constitution and has the greatest chance of winning. i think that is what we need to get back to. host: thank you very much for the call. this tweet from jan -- will go to linda, joining us from missouri. good morning. caller: hi, thanks.

thank you for c-span. host: good morning, linda. caller: good morning. my issue is really concerning trust. trust is a big part of why i kind of felt -- good morning. yes, i'm sorry. my issue is trust. states now,f the especially with flint, michigan, the government there is saying that he don't want to step down. i feel like he should step down any time that a governor pardons his people. it's noteems like getting too much advertisement about it. host: linda, thank you for the call from missouri. another viewer saying that median income is on the decline and it's a direct result of excessive immigration.

dispatches from the final -- across iowa. headline inside of "the new york of all thetographs candidates, including donald jeb bush andrubio, ted cruz. we will have the latest on the air from the cruise campaign. >> i never have and never will support blankets, legalization, or amnesty. >> marco rubio was part of a gang of eight trying to secure amnesty. one of the architects of the plan -- >> you are giving legal status to people who have broken the law. >> marco rubio was a member of the gang of eight and ted cruz was not. >> i'm ted cruz and i approve this message. one of the campaign ads in iowa. we continue with what you think is the biggest single issue in this campaign.

donald trump on donald trump? many of his speeches we've covered here. randy, democratic line, what is the big issue for you this year? thank you for this great service that you do to the nation, for the nation. host: while you mention that, i want to give a shout out to our crew in iowa and new hampshire. the folks giving you this coverage, camera operators, field technicians, directs and staff behind the scene, all the people that really do a tremendous job every four years doing exactly that. thank you for that opportunity, go ahead. you, i'm glad you said that for them folks. they deserve it. my biggest issue is -- the income inequality, the jobs, we need to get -- we need to go back to creating well-paying jobs.

at the end of the general motors revolution here in michigan, i guess. matter what happened, if you were working and had a decent paying job it seemed like you could work out everything else. there was more to go around, i guess. there was more money in the system. i don't how you take out 26 dollar per hour jobs and replace them with a dollar per hour jobs in sayre making headway. you got to do for jobs to everyone of mind that we lost. that's what we've got to get back to, i think. i keep thinking, you want to go back to slavery? no, we're not going back to slavery. we have got to go forward. this nationnly way works. the best thing in the world that ever happened to me, steve, was this 18-year-old kid from the

country going into that shop and working next to everyone. my first day on the line the guy on the right side of me had a sixth grade education. the guy on the left side of me was a professor from u of m who quit because they added 30 students to his class. i tell you what, you learn a lot when you talk to that diverse bunch of people. everyone should not have to care what they did in their personal lives, as long as they come in and do their jobs, everyone gets it done that way. one more tweet from zach -- one more call in just a moment, but this is from "the washington post." the ism that describes mr. trump best."

host: this is what one of the latest donald trump ads look like. >> of course i wanted my amendment to pass. what it did was it took citizenship of the table. but it doesn't mean i supported the other aspects of the bill. i want immigration reform to pass and allow people to come in

out of the shadows. >> it would have allowed undocumented immigrants to come in and obtain permanent status. how do you square that circle? >> actually, it wouldn't have. trump: we have people pouring in and doing tremendous damage. if you look at the crime, looking at the economy, we want to have borders. to have a country, you have to have borders. we don't have borders right now. host: bill, you get the last word from brookfield, connecticut. you are republican in going to vote this year? caller: yes, sir. host: what is the biggest issue for you, bill? immigration. the democrats are framing the issue is prejudice, but not really an issue of prejudice for

the majority of people. the issue is maintaining the integrity of your country. .he safety of your country and the ability to protect citizens. , if result of immigration you go to france, germany, or italy, you see that the people are upset. immigratingho are cannot assimilate. -- theond issue is ability of safety. were twon bombers young men given visas for schooling. they ended up killing people. issue is the ability

to assimilate. people ---- for many breaking our laws also. we have immigration laws. of these issues are why people do not want uncontrolled immigration. the entireng to lose complexion of your country if you allow it. thank you very much for your call, thanks to all of you for your calls and observations. laws eo, new york city mayor, arriving in iowa to help hillary clinton in the last push in the caucuses. "bloomberg politics" reporting that robert wood johnson has helped to raise tens of millions of dollars to support the jeb bush presidential campaign. his private plane has shuttled the republican contender to events around the country and overseas. team,ner of the jets nfl

performing a more grassroots campaign function, knocking on doors in the state, holding that first in the nation contest on monday. a reminder, we are live all day with campaign coverage, including senator ted cruz, down -- donald trump, marco rubio, hillary clinton. all of our campaign coverage is on a website, c-span.org. in a couple of minutes we will introduce you jerry crawford, a veteran of iowa democratic caucus politics. later, republican senator chuck grassley will be joining us. our c-span cameras were at a local shop in downtown des moines just a few days ago. a place where visitors and caucus goers can pick up campaign of -- campaign apparel. here's a portion of what we were

able to find in des moines. >> we are joined now by an owner of a t-shirt and print design company called ray gun. several of your teachers are themed around the caucuses? >> we have done that in general for several years. "iowa, for some reason you have to come here to be president." popular as a gift for candidates who i think wonder why they have to come here to be president. targetedare not just at the candidates and supporters, but the media as well who does -- to descend on iowa and des moines. >> we thought of stuff just for the media to where to reduce the number of things they have to ask people. "didn't i interview you for years ago?" this one with the capital in the

background -- "tell me about you, you have to live here? are not able to leave?" >> are there certain candidates who have melt -- made selling these witty teachers easier. -- easier? >> this one is even more bizarre than past elections. the truest thing we have released his -- i support the crazy one. which could be about any number of candidates this year. sanders,p to bernie there are lots of colorful candidates. we stuck bernie's face on a t-shirt. not really as an endorsement for mostbut he is by far the expressible -- expressive candidate. >> how long have you been in the t-shirt and print design business -- business? >> 10 years, but only three

years and caucus years, this is our third caucus. >> how are you doing in terms of sales? is this the best caucus for t-shirts? are bigger, we sell more of everything. this has been a great year in general. >> do you get any candidates coming through here? there are probably some slogans they don't want to be photographed next to. des moines i think is a little too liberal for sensibilities of d.c.. the sloganssome of they don't want to be interviewed next to? >> this 1 -- sorry about steve , sincerely iowa." clearly encapsulating how we feel about steve king. when they legalize gay marriage we had a shirt that said -- america is now finally as gay as iowa." another shirt that says "gop, trading government, small

enough to fit inside your majority of." one of the -- your vagina." we had crazy people threatening us on the facebook page. >> even t-shirts from candidates not officially in the race? and did one for dees nuts jon stewart for president. we thought he was retiring for his run. strength, courage, and plenty of free time. host: joining us from downtown to moyne, iowa, jerry crawford, the senior advisor for the hillary clinton campaign. thank you very much for being with us. guest: do you for having us. i agree with your callers, this is a great service that you provide.

george for govern iowa to propel him to the nomination and has been actively involved since 1980, when walter mondale and cindy carter were running in 84. how does this feel to you today? guest: it's interesting. by any objective measure it's been one of the most interesting ever on both sides. poll,ast night's iowa which we all referred to as the , donald trump and hillary clinton have leads, but they are the sort of leads where no one can rest comfortably. every single person who works for either one of them had better get out or there could be an upset. you were a part of the clinton campaign eight years ago. a number of stories pointing out the sense of panic in the

clinton campaign where barack obama was moving way ahead in the polls. is there a different sense in the campaign this year, despite the polls showing that its that even between bernie sanders and hillary clinton? guest: there's a tremendous difference and that's a great question. eight years ago unfortunately there was a fair amount of the nationaletween clinton campaign and the iowa clinton campaign. anytime there is dysfunction -- and it's not because anyone was trying to do the wrong thing, but anytime there is dysfunction there's negative energy. possibly the key task is of course putting the candidate, in this case, hillary clinton in front of as many people as possible, having an organization excited,unctioning, and positive. this time we have that.

first of all, and the organization could not do this without her, she's been phenomenal. she's been terrific in town halls. she's been fighting for every vote. she's just been flat out terrific this time. secondly, the national organization that was put together with the iowa organization read by matt paul and michael holly, easily the best i've ever seen in the state of iowa. it really has combined the best of the obama and clinton campaigns from 2008. supporters get out and caucus tomorrow night and we have a victory, those will be the reasons why. and i think that could happen. host: as a former chair of the polk county iowa democrats, i want to ask you about this ,"adline from "the guardian

saying that one of the big problems for each is making sure they have enough volunteers. will it be a problem tomorrow? guest: it was a problem in 2008 during the actual caucuses, because suddenly an extra 80,000 that,000 people showed up no one was expecting. if i had to guess i would say that the turnout on the democratic side this time is going to be more like in 2004 when there were eight or nine with 129,000 people attending. that would be more in the realm of likelihood tonight. on the other hand, the republicans have never had more turnout 20,000 people for their caucuses and i have a funny feeling they could set a record tomorrow night. it's not just the volunteers who

organize the caucus and get it ready to happen. it's also the ability to handle the number of people who come at you when the doors open. yout: here -- host: mentioned the poll in here are the numbers. clinton, 45%. on o'malley, 3%. it has a 4% margin of error. messageyou think sanders' has been resonating with iowa voters? into: i think there have reasons. by the way, listen, i'm is committed to hillary clinton is any human being could be, but i have to say this about bernie sanders -- i have come to think of him as a good and decent man. and i believe that he is very well-intentioned. that's been to his benefit here in iowa.

i also think that there are a fair number of angry voters on both sides and he tends to be more appealing to them because he is more -- if i can say it -- outside the mainstream, just as donald trump is on the republican side. you know, in the previous iowa poll from an seltzer, 43% of caucus going democrats in iowa described themselves as socialists and at the time, bernie was 40% in the poll and my son, connor, said that he was underperforming with socialists. so, there is a strong left-leaning component -- that's my point -- in the iowa democratic party, just as there's a strong right-leaning component in the republican party. so, it's kind of made to order. when people are -- were pooh-poohing him years ago, i said -- listen, all he's got to do is stay upright and keep

breathing because of that philosophical divide. that's exactly what we have seen play out. our conversation with earned hisord, he's law degree from the university of iowa college of law. some of therough candidates he has worked for or supported over the years, including jimmy carter, walter mondale, bill clinton, and john kerry, hillary clinton in 2008 and again in 2016. i want to ask you one operational question with the caucuses, then we will get to the callers and listeners. for the martin o'malley supporters, polls are showing right now that he's at 3%. what is the benchmark? 15% to get delegates -- for those who don't reach it, what happens to the o'malley supporters or those who are undeclared?

guest: in precincts with four delegates or more, you have to have 14% to be given a delegate. precincts, those where you elect fewer than four delegates, you have to have an incrementally higher personage. this is a very good point you raise. for your viewers not as familiar with the iowa caucuses, the systems of the two parties are very different. on the democratic party side we elected delegates. tomorrow night the party, the results will be reported in what we call delacorte -- delicate equivalencies. on the republican side they will pass speaker ballot and the republicans will simply report out the totals.

so, there are two very different systems going on. turning on your television, you will see percentages. the democratic percentages of delegates and votes passed. why has martin o'malley failed to catch fire and iowa? guest: that's a very good question. i know him quite well. we worked together on the democratic governors association. i have known him to be a terrific mayor and governor in maryland and in baltimore. surprised been very that he hasn't caught on more until now. thatnk that part of it is bernie sanders capture that left wing of the party. when governor o'malley tried to position himself to the left of hillary clinton, there wasn't really much room left.

i don't think it has anything to do with his capability, his skill as a his political candidate. at two.ng was just he's not the only person that thought back to -- bad timing. bob, duluth, good morning. you for c-span. thank you for taking my call. i think is a common thread between bernie sanders and donald trump. i think that is the fact that people are tired of money in politics. neither donald trump or bernie sanders are taking money from the special interests. i think that's one of the big things that has gotten the

attention of the voters. as far as the money and politics goes, i think it -- i think the chickens have come home to roost. guest: i think that's a fair point and a good question. good morning to duluth. i spent my undergraduate years, 120 years ago, at mcallister college in st. paul. i wrote my honors thesis in 1971 on the negative impact money was having on the political process. this is certainly an issue i have cared about 4 -- well, let's just say along time. right, that has resonated. it's a little bit of a stretch, though, to say in the example of bernie sanders -- i mean, there are at least three super pac's in iowa right now spending money on his behalf. pack has a the nurse

bernie bus traveling around iowa. it's not as clean a division as people would like to make it out to be, but that's typical and campaigns of this sort. greatk it's one of the issues of our time. i know that hillary clinton agrees and wants desperately to do something about it. when you talk about what's at stake in this general election, who joins the supreme court and their attitude about citizens united, which was just one of the things that up that -- that unleashed money excessively into the political system, you can see how important it is. host: four years ago mitt romney declared the winner by a vote and rick santorum declared a winner two weeks later by 34 votes. i mentioned jerry crawford because of a tweet from a viewer . who is counting the votes this week? out was that process being audited to ensure accuracy?

guest: well, the parties are the ones who count the votes. they report them out at a media center. so, there is a lot of what i would call in formal accountability -- in formal accountability to the media as the results come in, are tabulated and published. that was a real blow for rick santorum last time. mattersall that really -- iowa is a small state. our delegates are unlikely to affect the outcome of who the nominees are. the story that comes out of the iowa caucus is a huge asset or liability, depending on how you do. rick santorum was deprived of his election night victory because of the counting of mistakes. people onre you that both sides of the aisle have worked overtime to make sure that it is done accurately and promptly tomorrow evening.

the democratic party has gone to a new electronic reporting rather than a telephone call report. an app has been created to report the results promptly. state chair, our andy mcguire, who has taken this seriously and created a backup system in the event of the app doesn't work for whatever reason. i feed can rest assured that everything that can be done has been done to provide prompt and accurately -- prompt and accurate results. is behind that, previewing how the caucuses work tomorrow. preview programming getting underway at 7:00 eastern time. we will take you there on c-span and c-span2. republican line, sharon kingston, good morning to you. on the new york values

comment, i don't think anyone understands what that means. if you are in flyover country, not on the coasts or whatever, everyone in flyover country has an idea of the eastern seaboard and how things have been working there for 100 years. everybody who is poor out in america, who has never lived rich, it's the same. they know that there is social engineering going on. college,tain way in act like them. the teachers, the colleges, everybody up through government is kind of the same. that's what that means. then you get in a bureaucratic trap. once you are there, if i was making $100,000 per year, no one wants to lose the money and go back, but i think it's on -- unfair how any trump supporter -- not bernie sanders, they are democrats -- but from voters are

looked at as blue-collar. that they are so much smarter than the beer cats on the coast. guest: in my opinion -- i think you just put your finger on the most important issue in the general election. different candidates in different parties talk about this in different ways. bernie sanders talks about the economy being rigged. i know what he's referring to. where up in a family resources were somewhat limited. i say that charitably. my folks had not been able to go to college. but what they did have was a desire to work hard and see their children do well. all four of their children did do well. that's the key. the key is and what you were born with. the key is what you are given in

alls of opportunity to make the you can of your god-given abilities. when hillary clinton talks about this issue, she talks about it in terms of opportunity. she wants to make sure that everyone can go to college, everyone who is capable of it and has worked hard enough to earn that right. that's not based on how much money your parents have. it's a son your own efforts and your own abilities. and then she wants the government to help people financially who have made that investment. she doesn't want my children -- linda and i had a blessed life, economically. she doesn't want the government to pay for our children to go to college. i personally think that that would be immoral. but if you have got a blue-collar working family who don't have the resources, through no fault of their own, to send their kids to school, they should get help. so that, as sharon says, they have a chance at the american

dream on both coasts. i think that sharon is right in the center of where this election will be fought. let me remind the listeners joining us on c-span radio or unserious xm, -- or on sirius xm, we are talking with jerry crawford, in des moines on this day before the caucuses. we are also carried live on the bbc parliament channel throughout great britain. joe, north yorkshire higher, good afternoon to you. hello, stephen. fana huge bernie sanders from north yorkshire, england. i love his campaign. i don't understand, why does he struggled to gain traction and -- traction among the african-american community? do you think that jesse jackson will come out and endorse him? while he was mayor of burlington

he endorsed jesse for the 84 and 88 campaigns. host: thank you, joe. joe, first of all, it's great to get a call from england. since you are a bernie sanders fan i'm glad that you live in england and not an iowa. through tomorrow. then you can -- would be glad to have you. don't think there's anything about bernie sanders, his career or his record that should be offputting to american voters. i think it's just the opposite. i think that hillary clinton has been devoted to causes that are consistent with aspirations and dreams in the african-american community that make her a highly desirable candidate, comparatively speaking. i think that's the reason you see what you see in the polls in terms of that level of support. i surely wouldn't hold it against bernie, who you otherwise like in support, that

he's not doing as well there as he might be against some other opponent. you some me share with numbers from the iowa secretary of state and longtime veteran of iowa politics to explain what, if anything, these numbers mean. they were tweeted out a few days ago. those democrats switching to republicans in january, 924. conversely, republican switching who went to, those undeclared registration, moving to the democratic party, 1960. then, that is courtesy of iowa secretary of state. anything to these numbers? guest: it's the first time i've those numbers, and they are fascinating, but it's exactly what i would have predicted them to be. you would be surprised out here how many people say that they are undecided between sanders and trump.

i think it kind of goes to the anger phenomenon that we talked about earlier. it sounds like -- from those numbers -- that more of those people are going to the republican caucus to support trump then to the democratic caucus to support sanders. it's not an overwhelming amount of formation to draw that conclusion from, but that's what i would suspect. host: our guest later this morning has been telling supporters across -- reporters across iowa that one of the keys is to beat expectations. can you elaborate on that? guest: well, somebody on the republican side is going to exceed expectations. it's not going to be trump, and it's not going to be cruise. they are within six or seven points of each other.

the real question is -- who's going to finish third? most people think that that will be marco rubio. i personally think that if somebody say does five or 10 points better in the eye will poll, it might be rand paul. very committed, including his young supporters. on the democratic side, bernie sanders has been in the media and has been saying for two or three weeks that he has all the momentum in iowa, he has to win in iowa in order to continue on as a legitimate threat for the nomination. if hillary clinton pulls off the upset tomorrow night, i think that that's a hugely meaningful results in terms of its impact on the nomination fight. the governor think means when he refers to

expectations. hudson,om castleton on new york. hours joining us. good morning, al. caller: good morning, steve. haven't called in in a while. i'm a registered independent and i am supporting hillary clinton. in fact i will be sending her as per her request mail that came to the house. the reason why i support hillary clinton is this. back during the clinton years, the administration for husband, that is, 23 million jobs were created. the economy was doing great. republicans, democrats, independents, we were all doing well, we had money in the bank and were doing well until the republicans got a hold of it in 2000. ,s far as bernie sanders goes

i've been to burlington many times. he's a nice guy. but he is a bourgeois socialist. he wants everybody to eat beans and he's going to control the can opener. host: let's get a response. guest: al could do stand up, i think. i would say that his support of hillary clinton, although he did not get to it, probably has a little to do with the job that she did as a u.s. senator in new york. she was particularly popular in upstate new york as far as democrats go. sounded like that might've been where he was from. my guess is that that leads him to his support of her and i'm glad to hear about it. crawford -- two goals -- delivering iowa for hillary clinton and winning the kentucky derby? please explain.

guest: well, about eight years ago on a whim i started horse raising -- worse raising project. out of 3, 2 of them finished third. so, we have been knocking on the door just like hillary has and i hope to get them both to the finish line in the near future. we had a phenomenal son or -- phenomenal summer this last year. keen high-speed american pharoah in saratoga in what they call the midsummer derby. aat was about as spectacular moment as you can have an horseracing. ice, is headedn to run in thebai

world cup late in march. so, we have got the sort of twin races going on in our lives between the horses and our good friend, hillary. host: where does the name keen ice come from? guest: well, his father is curlin, which is popular in ireland. our partnership is called den ago racing. we tried to look for something that had an irish connection. which ride to look for something with some good humor. being a curling term. host: we cover it all here on c-span. [laughter] keen ice means fast ice. of course, we are always looking for fast and horseracing. host: let's go to dawn -- thank

you for that, by the way -- don, republican line. caller: good morning, how are you doing this one? host: fine, thank you. weler: i think in america need to stop the government from being a family business. thank you very much. host: explain what you mean by that? well, you know. like mr. bush. he was president. then his son was president. now is other son once to be president. ok? miss clinton, her husband was president. now she wants to president. it's as the whole thing is just turning into -- it's just a family business. a couple of stories from "the washington post," talking about it being an antiestablishment year.

someone argue that hillary clinton is part of the establishment. how did she run in this environment based in what you just heard from the caller? the point that don made is a point i hear from a lot of people. personally, i think there is a between arence republican president who son becomes a republican president for two terms and whose other son runs for president on the one hand and a woman whose whole life has been that of a change maker, being the spouse of a prior president on the other hand. i think it's not fair to her to be judged by who she's married to as opposed to what she has achieved herself and what she stands for. and that's, you know, that's a case that she will make in the general election if all of our supporters get out to vote here and she is lucky enough to be

the dominate. -- to be the nominee. i understand why people feel that way. i also think that just as many people are comforted by her experience. marco rubio -- host: when did you first meet hillary clinton, by the way? i met bill clinton in 1988. i was chairing the dukakis campaign here in iowa. when he the arena practices -- practiced is somewhat ill-fated keynote address that launched him in an odd way. let's say it was the least success full speech he'd ever given his life. on late-nightnt television and played his saxophone a couple of nights later and used the platform of having not done so well in that speech.

i met him, state in touch with him because of the democratic governors association between 88 and 92. was very active in his campaign then and met hillary during that same time. host: you were going to say something about gerry cruz? guest: marco rubio, actually. some people being comforted by her experience? marco rubio said earlier in the cycle that it comes down -- that when it comes down to the quality of resumes, hillary wins . some people think that electing the person who is best qualified to be president is a good idea. even marco rubio conceded that. the benghazi committee publicly acknowledge that they were just trying to score political points and that did not turn out so well for them. the reason is -- she is so experienced, she is so prepared.

she is a fighter who has fought that theind of people caller from new york was mentioning everyday of her life. now we are out here fighting for her, trying to get her this opportunity. host: rick, good morning, democratic line. i have a few things. i will try to be brief. one of the things i heard from the president during the state of the union that i haven't heard from either candidate yet is about gerrymandering. i believe that that is one reason that the republicans are so brazen, because a lot of them actually believe that it really doesn't matter what their constituents think, because the cards are stacked in their favor. we will get a response. thank you's -- thank you, sir.

are absolutely right. gerrymandering has meant that the house of representatives is almost impossible to be controlled by anyone other than the republican party. do proud of the way that we it in iowa. we have a nonpartisan legislative commission that which is thenlan, voted up or down. then there is a second plan and if that is voted up or down, the makes theurt decision. there is no politics are gerrymandering in the state of iowa. that should be the system nationwide. that results in fairness not in control of one party or the other. rick's pointed about gerrymandering with don's point about money and politics, you could really start to make towards a better democracy.

now if rick would just send some of his flora whether to iowa, that would make for a better iowa as well. host: what is the forecast for tomorrow evening? guest: i'm relieved, 40 degrees and drive. there had originally been concern about a snowstorm. looks now like the snow will not arrive until tuesday and on tuesday we are expecting less than an inch of snow with maybe a little bit more on wednesday. i think that the forecast is good to go for people getting to and from the caucuses without any trouble. let me share with you what senator sanders said in mason city, iowa, reflecting what callers seven saying who support his candidacy. then we will get your response. we decided to go out to the working families in the middle class of this country and say to them that if you want real change, if you want a

political revolution in this country, you will have to help us out. an amazing thing happened that i never in my life would have dreamed of nine months ago. two and aave received half million individual campaign contributions. [cheers and applause] is more individual than any campaign in the history of the united states up until this point. [cheers and applause] if i might, let me tell you one of the major differences between our campaign and our opponents campaign. i am delighted to be with you here tonight in mason city.

my opponent is not in iowa tonight. is raising money from a philadelphia investment firm. [boos] frankly, i would rather be here with you. that was senator sanders, again last wednesday evening, talking about the insiders, the millionaires, the billionaires of wall street and the fundraising that hillary clinton has undertaken in this campaign. how do you respond to those charges? before i get to campaign finance, bernie sounded a little tired in that clip. understandably so. i just want to say to people around the country watching, we oh all of these candidates on the democratic side and the republicans side and enormous debt of gratitude. they are goingog

through. they're working tirelessly. they are losing their voices. they are susceptible to getting colds and the flu. it is an enormously demanding undertaking to accomplish this. i think we oh them all our appreciation and respect are making the effort. as part as campaign-finance goes, when senator sanders talks lowertrying to represent income or middle income individuals, it is one of the issues with the campaign. finance theer to program, acknowledge there are tax increases on middle income hoax. hillary clinton think that is the wrong thing to do. she wants to grow income in the middle class, grow resources they have to invest in

themselves and their families. that is one of the philosophical differences between them. no one has ever raised this much money from women as hillary clinton has. it has in a key component of her fundraising base. a great jobas done with low dollar contributions. i am perfectly -- personally proud of both of them for that. color, patricia from georgia, a democrat. good morning. caller: good morning and thank you. mr. crawford, to a biaselieves there is connection between the level of anger and rage continually spoken out by presidential campaigners today, and that anger as it relates to social contents constituents, is there

by thingss commentary that americans are angry and rageful, and we are not? host: thank you. guest: the relationship between the anger has been much discussed. minimum, you a have the whole black lives , campaign unrest overlaid with the presidential campaign and the anger patricia referred to. i think those issues will come into starker contrast once the nomination have been settled and the general election is being waged. we are fortunate enough to get hillary clinton here in iowa tonight and that will take every clinton porter turning out. we will hand the baton to you

and count on you down there in a georgia primary. has beenry crawford around either participating or to 1972.with back much were being with us. we appreciate it. keep up the great work. host: thanks. we'll can -- continue the conversation. chuck grassley will take your calls. talking about touring all 99 county. achieving --ntly receiving that achievement. and later, radio talkshow host joining us. will be a few blocks from where we are located is historical building. one of the exhibits on display

is looking at how i love became the first in the nation caucuses , dating back to 1972 and some of the surprising winners and trivia. he came in second. here's what we found out. >> shaping presidential politics since 1972. how did you feature that many candidates? >> it has been 44 years now since we have in first in the we selected just over 160 artifacts in the museum collection to tell the story of how i look to kim the first in the nation and the different candidates. 150 artifacts including the ones behind you, creative ways people in iowa participate in caucuses.

>> it was a fundraising quelled from iowa -- quilt from iowa. a democrat. still alive at 92. she met every candidate. large quilt.a they raffled it at the 1988 democratic convention in atlanta. a man who wanted is from australia. she eventually gave it to us. >> what do you see the role of the state historical society in iowa. so many people come to des moines and the rest of the dates every four years to participate in the process. >> people do not always understand what caucuses are. we know those are stories important to us for the islands who might be interested in the just paying for the first time but also the people who want to learn about the process.

publicte office collection. we work hard to collect .rtifacts >> where do you store the thousands of memorabilia you collect? >> we have over 100,000 total in a vault in our lower level of our historical building. if you are in the des moines area, you can check it out. also crisscrossing iowa in advance of the first of the nation caucuses which get underway tomorrow evening, them :00 local time in 8:00 eastern time. joining us from des moines is the senior senator from iowa, senator chuck grassley. thank you for being with us. be with you.o

i heard the announcement about the c-span us. bus has been at three out of the six or seven i have not so far. host: we will get a picture and tweeted out to those who all us on the stand. i will be glad to do that. i had the privilege may be eight years ago one time and even a sure that says c-span on it. host: let's talk about the caucuses tomorrow. you have not endorsed anyone in the republican caucus is why? there are two exceptions. dole because he was a close friend in 1990's, and then again

for george w. bush in 2000. but never before have i been involved in endorsing candidates and i guess there are two reasons. one, because of my own reelection, and number two, we wantre importantly, to be a welcoming state because we are first in the nation. we want to invite every participant, republican or democrat, to participate in the campaign in iowa. governor,peak for the but i feel if you are a political leader and you want everyone to come here and you why shouldy smith, the other eight or nine candidates show up if you think you will work so hard? host: i want to share with you a headline we made rest is to iowaer in the morning in

and across the country, the headline was all-america 20 15. and we areas hell not going to take it anymore. are they angry at the tablets meant? is it one of the reasons donald trump's leading in the polls in iowa? i think it is reason for two or three people like carson ruz and trump as well. carson is not so high as he was. i think it is and i better -- an outsider sort of thing. i would not say the anger comes out in my town meeting, but i think it actually exists. my meetings are a little reluctant to express that anger, but i can tell you another word

that would describe it is a tremendous amount of frustration. maybe with republican and independent and democrat, but some frustration from republicans when they feel they work really hard to get a republican majority in congress and then nothing changes. it is hard to explain we will get a republican agenda up in the united states senate that if you do not get 60 votes, you do can get toward, or you a republican agenda, get bipartisan support, and in the president vetoes it and you do not have votes to override the veto. in either instance, you still have the status quo. the public not understanding the we what the cost -- constitution requires makes it frustrating for a lot of that work hard for a lot of people not seeing a great deal of change and most of these people

would say yes, i expect to follow the constitution. independentsk for or democrats on the frustration but i think it would relate to the fact that both under republican and democrat, presidents, the middle class have not gained a lot of income. pretty much flat for the last 20 years. that is a frustration. economic think you see , number one, and nationals 30, number two, showing up in the polls as the two issues they want the campaign to deal with and the new president to deal with. ,ost: senator chuck grassley republican of iowa. and you're the chair of a committee. i want to get your reaction on what hillary said last week on meet the press. ms. clinton: i never sent or received any material mark classified.

i cannot control what republicans are contending. i think it is interesting as a political server, you will understand why. couple of months ago, mccarthy still means that the benghazi best to get death investigation was all about bringing me down. it was something i spent but i went ahead for 11 hours and answer their questions and even they admitted there was nothing new. now senator grassley shows up at a truck rally in iowa and is the chairman of the judiciary and the staff had been pushing a lot of stories. announced he was there for the simple reason to defeat me. i cannot control what republicans are doing but i know what the facts are and i will keep putting them out there. is something i think is very clear about what happened. i know it will be over and resolved at some point but i cannot control what republicans and their allies do.

since then, the story that broke on friday, for the first time, top-secret material had been through hillary clinton's private server and 22 of her e-mails were not released. your response? guest: let me speak to the facts. i want to divide the issue into two. it has got to be. e-mails or no e-mails here in investigation or no investigation. a third term of the obama administration. if hillary clinton is elected, that is what we will get. the reason i say that is if you look at everything she says there, every problem raised in her town meetings were raised by the press, the bottom line for solving the problems more tax, more spending, and more

regulation. for the last seven years, that attitude has strangled our economy with the slowest recession he me since world war ii. the other fact that is very and directly to where secretary clinton either does not know or she is missed leaving, that is that my investigation did not really start with hillary went in. it started in june of 2013 with letters about one of her on, she wasat was on the special program being a government employee but being a business, and we have got whistleblower information that she maybe had some conflict of interest. that is what we started investigating a long time before anyone knew about servers eating in the bathroom of the clinton home.

started this investigation before she was ever candidate for president. i am doing this investigation to defeat her. the point of the matter is my as a person involved in congressional oversight, to tv exec live branch faithfully execute the laws, is both the same under both republican president and democratic presidents. do you think hillary is in faces the prospect of being indicted based on her e-mails and the server? guest: i have to say right now, i do not know. correct,t is probably when i'm asking the fbi questions, and they say the investigation is going on, i'm may not like that answer from the f ei, but it may be it is a correct answer from the endpoint that they should not buy voles

what they know right now until they get all the tax in. i have got great confidence in nonpolitical in their investigation. in other words -- i should say apolitical in their investigation and they will do what is right. they have the reputation with the fbi to uphold. they want to enforce the law that they have taken an oath to do. and i think they want to do what is right. things i read in the paper make me believe that the law has been violated on classification of secret material. whether she will be indicted would be based upon a decision and, youdministration know, it just depends upon how much is public that the fbi can get out in the fbi probably will not make public their investigation. then you get to whether or not

something will be leaked. shows she is deeply violating the law and the administration is not rossi hitting, then they are going to look very bad and it may force prosecution. but it is basically a political decision. in other words, whether or not she is indicted if the fbi comes up with the information to indict. host: there is a look at the hometown newspaper showing donald trump and hillary went and are leading in the polls, but those within the margin of error, we will hear outside of buffalo, new york, democrats line with senator chuck grassley. good morning, herb. caller: good morning and you really know your geography. the verb of the flow. lived aake, senator, i few years back in des moines. i had very good memories of

that. the islands to me were salt of the earth people but i was also impressed with the power of the agricultural industry. when i was just whenever the secretary of agriculture said anything, it usually made the front page of the des moines register. having said that and getting to the political discussion, number one with me is bernie sanders and number two is donald trump. you might say, how can i jump from bernie sanders to donald trump? is i amam coming from so fed up with the amount of money in the political us that to a large degree, in my opinion, it controls the candidates. every candidate in the republican party with the exception of donald trump, self

funding, or on the democrat side, with bernie sanders, who is getting campaign contributions, but is averaging $27, an amount i think everybody would agree, you cannot buy a candidate for that. the two. between host: thanks for the call. this is a headline from the washington post. donald trump and bernie sanders put tradition to the test in iowa. heavy response to the sentiment? respond toow do you the sentiment? guest: i think he is clear bernie sanders cuts a wide swath of lyrical innovation. but i think it is his personality and his stand on the issues, and his vicar that brings it about. raiseot sure he can

hundreds of millions of dollars that way if he is the democratic nominee. maybe he will not have to because he will get a lot of super pac's to back him. i know he said he did not want that, but under our medical system of first amendment protection of what speech and the way the supreme court has interpreted that, there can be almost no obstacle those put in of anybody who wants to either collect money or spend their own money, to get political speech out and do it through television or do it through their own mouth or any way they want to. there is pretty much no limit of what could be done. i think we ought to honor that. i'm sure the caller from buffalo will disagree, but i think in a democracy like ours, the more

political speech you have, the stronger our democracy is going to be. it does not matter whether it comes from millions and millions of individuals or whether it comes from it -- a few thousand people who have a way of getting it out because they may be able to accumulate money from other people or their own resources. speechir own political they have, the stronger democracy will be and that is what is the time the first amendment protection of speech. when the constitution was written and the bill of rights was added, it was all in memory of people in england being put in prison for expressing political views against the parliament or against the king. host: we have a line set aside for those you living in iowa participating in the caucuses tomorrow. from the newine york times capturing the

sentiment of voters from iowa. ensuring their guy is the one to lead the fight. also, the washington post, i will will engage -- will gauge whether or not this is useful. tennessee, republican line. good morning. good morning. confidenceve any that the justice department will prosecute hillary clinton because i think they sent a message. general petraeus, they decided not to. i think that was a clear message to the people that they would not indict hillary clinton. on the other hand, they did file against the tray us, and there was a plea bargain and a misdemeanor charge, without serving time, but also a heavy

penalty. he was charged. i think what you're talking about their from cleveland, yet this way, is that he did not get reduced in rank -- in rank. those are different issues. he admitted guilt of something and he was found guilty of that. or he pled guilty, i suppose i should say. on the other hand, when you commit an act like that, it is that you could be violating the code of justice and then consequently, he could have been reduced from a four-star to a three-star rank. he decided not to do that. think considering his what weing plan to do did in 2007 and 2008 and 2009 in iraq, to clean the place up, and it would still be cleaned up if

we had not had the withdrawal of all troops. it should have and maybe 4000 or 5000 left there and we would not have had isis today. but he did come up with that plan and he did when and i think it would be wrong to reduce his rank, as long as he was appropriately charged otherwise. host: senator grassley has in campaigning with ben carson. we caught up with dr. carson on friday. the conversation available on our website. nicholas is joining us from scotland. go ahead, nick. caller: good morning. speakr, i just wanted to to what your opinion is in terms of donald trump's personality. he talks to the decision fearing perth dest middle class in america. he has great appeal. a lot of people in that position disenfranchised.

they feel disenfranchised and they are very angry. now got him leading the polls and appealing to those people. but there is something wrong with the picture. when you look at his business dealings, how he treats the people that do not go along with his vision of how things should be, i think there is something people should look at deeply in his personality. it is not enough for him to just say that i do not have any big interest groups that i have loyalty to. he will be calling the agenda because he is paying his own way. host: thank you. senator? i think the implication of that statement from the was that from scotland maybe when he is president of the united days because he is paying his own way, that he will have his own agenda and that theda will be contrary to

interests of the country. i do not have any evidence of that, but on the other hand, if all theaken -- taking contributions everybody else has, then you get back to what the gentleman from buffalo just that he would be kowtowing to all of those interest groups that contributed. i do not know how you would solve that. let me go back to what you have said about the middle west. i think you have got to talk about the frustration of middle when you talk about their disenfranchisement. politically, they are not. everybody has got an equal vote with everybody else if they want to vote. but they feel economically disenfranchised because they for the flat income last 10, 20, probably not more than 20 years, but at least, they have not seen the gains. the 2% gains you have an income

so far this year, maybe that would be the average for last year, it hardly keeps up with inflation so they never feel they are getting ahead. and then you read about very wealthy people getting ahead. bernie sanders and hillary clinton, the answer to that is we are going to take away from the rich people and give to the lower income people. know how you do that proportionately. i've never felt in america that you improve our society by cutting some people down and not raising other people up. i think what you have got to concentrate on is the way people get ahead in the country is not by having higher tax rates, but by having more taxpayers.

in other words, more people working and more people being productive, and that is how you raise people out of poverty and how you raise the middle class. improve their position. with 500 85 people making decisions of how to divide up the resources of our country, it will always have initical decisions involved making those decisions. moreas, if you have economic growth and enhance the position of 150 million you will have 150 million different ways of spending it or saving it. how to spend it or how to save it. that responds more to the dynamic of our free market decision than any decision washington makes with political implications behind it.

the free market is the void of political consideration. host: you were on the campaign trail donald trump in the past week. the headline, senator chuck grassley embraces science of growing cooperation between the gop and the establishment and donald trump. republican nominee, would you endorse and support him? i will enthusiastically see that we do not have a third term of the obama administration and i think we get that with any of the three democrats still in the race. my goal is to turn the country around in a new direction and that new direction is not the transformed america that obama think because i do not you need to transform the exceptional nation we are. i think you have to try to preserve america.

we do not have any false to find with america. we are not a perfect nation, but when you think of the principle of limited government and with the free market has done worldwide to bring 20% of the world's population out of poverty, i think that is the best thing for america. this has been retarded in the last several years. we have the slowest recovery of any time since world war ii. it is directly related to the philosophy that washington can solve every problem, that more taxes and more spending and more regulation will cure every problem we have, and government cannot cure every problem we have. can do a lot to have an environment so that people can operate within that environment in a free and productive way. host: let's go to tony in

missouri. good morning. caller: good morning. i have a question. think it would be a deterrent to start a running investigation into the irs to serve the american public, that what happened to last time before the presidential election, with respect to political acting committees, which resulted in people taking the fifth amendment, being able to retire and have their pensions the rest of their lives in that kind of thing, do you think something like that should be started, with a monitoring group or something to ensure to the american public that that never happens again. but itthe answer is yes, has already happened and we have

run into a stonewall. walls have stone come because we have not had a prosecution of people who have file a the law. less prosecution, you would change the practice in the irs. what you have asked has already been done. the house government oversight committee, the ways and means committee, and the senate finance committee, as arty have those investigations and have not received all of the material that congress under our constitutional power of oversight has a right to have. the administration has not been forthcoming because of the fact that if they gave us all the documents we have, and this would be true not only of the

but the investigations we have had with gunrunning, it would prove to be politically involved in punishing conservative interests in the country and they do not want that information out. david is next, detroit, republican line. caller: please give me a chance to say this. premiseo start from the that i was truly insulted by what donald trump did the other night with using the veterans. it was ingenious because he was able to take $4 million, a pebble. this man is worth millions. it was ingenious because he was and to get publicity advertising. , i am kind of getting

upset with the whole political process. you have politicians to tell convenient half truths. we talk about high unemployment and that real wages have not kept up with inflation, that is true. the other side is we have structural unemployment. have expansions. people have to go back and reeducate themselves and retool themselves so they can be in the new economy. we are in the information age. production years ago. people do not keep up with the new economy, and i would like for the senator to speak to that, then we will have unemployment. it is not the president's. it is everyone's responsibility. thank you very much. the gentleman is exactly right in everything he said.

one of the candidates on the republican side, and i do not speak for the democrats side on this, but senator rubio has put a great deal of emphasis on what the caller from detroit has just stated as a problem of two things. there are a lot of people who have been laid off and need job retraining. probably bigger issue is that we have in this country the attitude that you have to have a and then youree to pay offa job student loans. you thought about the job you're going to get, will it pay enough to get your student loan paid off and support you and raise a family and by home and all that stuff?

thetor rubio is making point that we have put too much emphasis on upon a four-year degree, that when you get done come you cannot make a living and pay off your loan so you ought to make more emphasis on technical training and software engineering and emphasize community college to a greater degree, so you do not have the situation where you go to college for four years, cannot goe a living, and then you to a community college to learn something where you could make a living. it is not just something congress can do. attitude within our society that if you do not have a four degree -- four-year degree or more, you do not amount to anything. that is not true pure welders,

software people, technical people, i cannot name the mall, but it is important and it may to need a college degree help our production move along and have a good paying job in the process. this gentleman has spoken well to a major problem we have. it is not as simple as a certain amount of training or retraining we have. to the point that society as a whole has got to look at our educational institution and what we want in life and what jobs are available. dash acrosshe final iowa, ted cruz doing what is grassley. full what is that? guest: it was not called the full grassley with that

adjective until three years ago when jason of the des moines register put the adjective "full " on it. starting in the first month in , i made up my mind that ,he only job of being a senator only half of that job was in washington, d.c., doing everything we do there. the other half was to promote a dialogue between those of us elected and those of us who serve the people. there is more than one way of doing it. .ace to face in a town meeting i decided on my election to the senate, i would go to each one of the 99 counties every year, so no part of the state could think for feel like i left them out.

the other one was to look at my constituents in the face and i speak for two or three minutes and then i say you can set the agenda. either ask me questions, criticize me, make statements, you can do anything you want to. spirit of representing government, you have got to have dialogue between those of us elected and those of us who serve. since 1981, 35 years, so far, so up to that point it would have been 3401 town meetings, those are not the only i had -- meetings i have in iowa. i have been going to rallies for various candidates for president. year, i have been in 20 counties. the idea is to promote it. then i say to them to come spend an hour and 15 minutes with me

at the art house. it does not do much good if you i am notep it up when in iowa face-to-face with you. e-mail me. some people call in. your name and address, we will answer on paper. twoe are the ways of having way communication. it is my promise to answer every letter. if you do not get an answer, write me and ask. then i tell them about the one way communication between me to them. facebook, through twitter, through instagram, through my newsletter called the scoop, and those various ways they can follow me from that end. twitter, at chuck grassley. instagram is that senator chuck grassley. i hope people tune in. don from houston, texas,

independent. good morning. part ofto speak to one the question i just heard, after they had training helped doom the industrial revolution. reemerge back into society without any altercation. question,part of my when it has something to do with i have seenton, when they were doing the iraq thing, that a couple of billion dollars in place -- were misplaced under the leadership of donald rumsfeld. clinton, heo mrs.

should be brought to task for what happened to the money. that is taxpayers money. i would appreciate hearing his response to that. mr. scully, you will have the dollar amount and what it was he said about rumsfeld. there were misappropriations of funds when he was secretary of defense. guest: listen. there are misappropriations of funds, particularly in the defense department. it is a problem throughout government. they make payments in the defense department without an invoice. how would you get $43 million spent in afghanistan on a filling station that only cost a half million dollars in reconstruction and -- in iraq? we are investigating but the main problem is there is no inancial management system

the defense department. in 2010, a bill was passed saying that by 2017, all the books of the defense department have to be audible. they are starting out with them rain's in 2012 because that was the smallest branch. through my investigations, i the program to reform marine corps ended up not being audible -- ought to it -- a uditable. withdrew that. they surely will not make the 2017 deadline. even do thet marines, the smallest branch. so they start of over again. that is the problem.

there is no financial management system. , they they write a check do not know what the money is being spent for. host: your colleague in the statehouse making some news this past week when he said it would be a mistake for iowa republicans to report -- support tenant -- senator ted cruz because he must be defeated at what was your reaction? not an endorsement to another candidate that clearly a rebuttal to the lead that some polls have given ted cruz a week ago. guest: this is how i see it on related to ted cruz and the incident. i think every governor, the governor via look, just like senator grassley, has a responsibility to defend the industry. that is agriculture and it could be a lot of other things. ethanol is directly related to agriculture. street -- energy.

we got 7000 jobs there. we got even thousands of more plants.43 ethanol tohave a responsibility defend our industry, just like the senator from texas has a responsibility to defend their petroleum industry. that is exactly what was going on. in terms of turnout, how many republicans will show up to the caucuses tomorrow? than 120,000, which is not a record, but i think that was for the last time showed up. much more than that, for the democrats, they always turn out more than we do even though the registration is less. i do not think they will turn out a lot more than we do but not as much as obama did in

2008. senator chuck grassley joining us from des moines, iowa. the chair of the senate judiciary committee. thank you for taking our viewer and listener calls. we appreciate it. guest: glad to be with you anytime and i really enjoyed my time when i am on your program. host: thank you. we will continue our conversation about iowa politics and influential and longtime radio talkshow host simon conway will be joining us in a couple of minutes. first, i want to take you back to the historical society and des moines with or political memorabilia. it began back in 1972 and repels jimmy carter to the presidency in 1976 and senator chuck grassley saying a key to winning in iowa is beating expectations. here is more from the iowa historical association.

>> first in the nation, shaping presidential politics since 1972. she began in 1972 when she put this together. >> that is correct. in 1972, a senator from maine was presumed the democratic favorite. senator george mcgovern does better than expected and goes on to get the democratic nomination in 1972. i will was shaping presidential politics. >> including well-known campaigns and less well-known. >> that is represented of john cox from illinois came to iowa hoping to catch fire. he would go to to raise and hand out facts of the with his stickers on him -- on them. we got that with our display. quite how did you get the exhibits? what is the stories of how the and that of in your collection? >> a lot of them him from everyday i went and also people acted in campaigns donate to us.

love,s from greenfield, i active in the jackson camp. we also have a 19 if it it fact that from jesse jackson, showing a little how things have changed in marketing a candidate today. of the more some modern campaigns. >> we have got a lot of fun things from the post 2000 era. a mitt romney foam baseball myth. standard t-shirt from bill bradley in the year 2000. 2008.iuliani in still comment for candidates. the press package that relates to candidates and activities today. we have got those sorts of artifacts in the exhibits as well. >> one of the more interesting pieces by saw were two coffee cans. >> they were run by each party, very grassroots in nature.

boxes froms of valid a precinct south of des moines. the republican party captain in that precinct just grabbed a couple of coffee cans to use. the caucus locations will open at 6:30 and there will be over 1600 across the state. host: a look at downtown des moines iowa, we will have live coverage of iowa caucuses getting underway tomorrow evening. previous program starts at 7:00 eastern time. we will take you to a republican caucus at 8:00 on c-span, democratic caucus on c-span two. senator tedthe cruz, bernie sanders, donald trump, senator rand paul. last time, we relied with hillary clinton. is of our campaign coverage

available on our website and you can also listen to it on our radio. joining us from des moines is conway. thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. you have interviewed most if not all of the candidates in the -- in the last couple of months. what is your sense about what we will see and hear tomorrow? you are right, most of them and not all of them. tomorrow will be very interesting. from the republican point of the big take away is can donald trump get these first timers, independents and even and democrats to turn up register in caucus for him. that is the big one. i believe he probably will. that remains to be seen. where will the o'malley

supporters break? breakks like they will pretty evenly. that will be a tight race if that happens. we will see. the new york times, probably a fair summary of the mood across the country and certainly in des moines. areheadline is they ensuring their guy is the one who leaves the fight. they said if they're angry at the political system they see as rate, they feel squeezed by immigration or the power of big banks, they infallibly believe only their candidate has the strength and vision to change. the voters are driving two of the more remarkable movements for donald trump and senator bernie sanders. your thoughts? i believe a lot of that is close. i do not think they would stay home if their particular candidate did not win the

nomination. pre-much everything else, he nailed it. we are angry out here and we do not see a difference between the two parties. it does feel like it is right. immigration is broken. everyone focuses on the southern border. 40% of illegals are here because they overstayed their visas fairly do not know who they are. people simply not showing up at class and nobody cares. we have a broken system and we need someone to fix it and depending on your political leanings, that will did determine who you think has the best chance of fixing it. i think it explains trunk and sanders in a lot of ways. whether the voters guy does not get the nomination, they stay home or right that person in in great numbers, i am not sure about that. our guest on who radio,

simon conway. before that, birmingham, alabama, and texas. for those of you who live in iowa, the number to call -- joining us from florida on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i cannot understand why when the british government and the american red cross pulled their people out of benghazi, that hillary clinton left hours there. -- ours there. do not understand why president obama and hillary clinton, when they have a six hour response team in the mediterranean sea with the murnane cora, why they were not called in to help the people in benghazi. thank you. host: does this resonate with

listeners that you spoke with? absolutely. the leaving them their part i believe is a mistake. it is a mistake that could be made by a whole bunch of administrations. i do not believe anyone in our peopleent wanted to kill in benghazi. what was disturbing is i genuinely believe because of the timing of the whole thing, being so close to an election, the cover-up that followed was a disgrace. hillary clinton right in front of the caskets of our fall in to them and lie to the american people. she absolutely new p it is clear from her e-mails she had already told her daughter it was a terrorist attack, and she is telling the world and indeed the debt that it was a video. the cover-up was atrocious. the cover up is what disturbed me the most. i think what happened before the cover-up was a mistake.

it was a series of mistakes followed by a cover-up due to the proximity of the election. that is my belief. donald trump did not participate in a foxnews debate or you said going into that that it was a mistake. do you still feel that way? guest: i have never said it was a mistake. i had a pull and asked my audience. looking at the latest poll, it did not hurt him at all. i do not believe it was a mistake. i think it paid off big for him to be honest. going back to what was in the new york times, the voters are sick of being told what to do.

like the fact that donald trump turned around and said to the media that you will not bully me. it looks like and feels like a set up and i will not do it here i think they like it. the voters like that. us.: patricia joining good morning. caller: good morning. conway, i cannot understand the attitude of, everything is broken in government. mr. trump is going to do what? guest: you will have to ask mr. trump. caller: do you think he will just go in there and run the government the way he thinks it should be run and that there will not be laws for anything? because he speaks what? i do not talk for the chump campaign.

you will have to ask them. i'm an independent who leans conservative. the government is not broken, i think you are really not paying attention at all. going back to immigration, we have no idea who is here than no idea where they are. it is 40% of the problem. debt completely out of control and the interest is the third they guest item on our budget. to suggest we do not have a broken government, you're simply not paying attention, i am sorry. at the des moines register, as you look back over the last year or so since the candidates have been trekking to your state, what has intrigued you the most about the campaign? it is unprecedented,

driven by donald trump and bernie sanders. we are seeing things we have never seen before. we spoke about the fact that you have got a candidate, typically the leader in the field when it comes to debate simply has to theyake mistakes and remain in leadership. donald trump's that, i am not going. it is unprecedented. he holds a fundraiser for veterans and raises at least $6 million. two of his opponents turn up on the same stage and stand there in front of a sign that says trump on it. unprecedented. incredible crowds for bernie sanders and donald trump. unbelievable enthusiasm. when trump was walking through the iowa state fair in august, you would have thought it was taylor swift wandering around the iowa state fair. the enthusiasm was incredible. i have never seen anything quite like it before. it is exciting and we are normally pleased when we get to tuesday because we's -- we hear all the air leaving the state.

i think we will miss it a little bit this time because it has the big unknown is whether anybody will be able to get out of the state? we have 11 inches of snow on the way. daniel joining us from pittsburgh with simon conway. good morning. i am, i'm a candidate running for president of the united states and i can't get news coverage. why do you think that is? -- you have to do is [indiscernible] i will tell you why. bernie sanders and donald trump understand it. it is unfortunate that in order to be the president of the

united states, you have to run as a democrat or a republican. i genuinely wish that wasn't the case. i'm pretty mad at the libertarian party, they show up every four years and bring us someone who used to be a republican and says, vote for us and then they disappear for four years. it's remarkable and it's sad and i wish it wasn't the case but that is the reality. it is sad. good luck. host: this morning, the new york times writes -- not only the success or lack thereof of new york city mayors and formerly mayor lyndsay but also the challenges for independents running for the white house. jackie is joining us from florida on the republican line. go ahead. i wonder sometimes why people don't comment whenever hillary clinton says she didn't

get any messages that were marked. actually marked secret. ofs lady was the secretary state and she has to be an idiot if she didn't think anything would message her as top-secret. guest: it is quite remarkable. that had you or me handled that information, be locked up right now. she is not locked up. we have the state department saying there are 22 e-mails that they won't release even though release ordered to them. it is truly remarkable. i don't understand it. we comment on it on my show all the time. it is something that needs to come to fruition in terms of an indictment. indictmenthere is an that will be issued if it wasn't for the fact that her last name was clinton. i believe the fbi wants to

indict her. host: john from utah, good morning. caller: good morning. he talks about government not working, the real reason is because of money. our congressmen -- they don't write bills. theyists write bills and get them to congressmen and they likely the congressman to pass them in congress. dollars getour tax .pent on ridiculous things that is what is wrong with government. that is what is drawn the crowds to bernie sanders that he is telling people this. the biggest problem the government has had forever and that is why not one senator or congressman -- nothing is bad of them have backed

bernie sanders. the same with donald trump. he is talking about it to put in a way that israel divisive. that is the problem with government, it is not -- guest: i don't disagree with you. us, and not them. because we the people won't throw the bums out, will we? and that is the real problem. because you are a democrat and i'm the republican. and if you got an opportunity, he would not vote for a republican in order to replace a democrat to is part of the problem. equally, republicans would not vote for a democrat because they think the republicans are the lesser of the two evils. if you look at the polling, we all want term limits and we want them to be thrown out. but then we added a caveat, apart from my guy.

my guy is doing a good job. i say this is on us. i think we need to take our country back. you and i are largely on the same page. largely, he agree. we welcome our listeners on serious xm, they carry this program on sunday mornings. we are also hearing about the argument in great britain. why did you come here from england? guest: because i didn't want to live with socialism anymore. the government is in control of everything and that is the close that we are on. free speech doesn't exist in the u.k.. they think it does but it doesn't exist. i was done with socialism. i was done with paying too many taxes. i had a business opportunity and i came and i took it. host: let's go to our democrats

line. good morning. caller: this guy, wow. let's get to ted cruz and rubio. you republicans are getting upset because of all of the immigrants who come over here. dad was in cuba. he could have stayed and fought for cuba. and sent his family over here. he was a coward and he ran. ted cruz'swith father. he didn't send them over here. ted cruz's father is supposed to be a christian but in 1974, his he leftbandoned -- their family in canada and moved to texas. he left them. and this is a christian man. and you guys get upset with your immigrants?

why didn't cruise and rubio's father stay in cuba to fight for their country. calm down, take a breath. all, i'm not a republican. i am an independent. obviously, i am in favor of legal immigration. you can tell, hopefully by my accent that i wasn't born here. -- i am a legal immigration. we have a major immigration problem that is illegal that we need to fix. we don't know who is coming in. that is a real issue. we have to address it. from tarpong us now springs, florida. good morning. i'm still alive and i'm still around and i remember when [indiscernible]

-- when he was accused and he tried to destroy the united states. and he bags and ironically he said -- [indiscernible] the communists would destroy america? we are going to take america. and these people who call themselves socialists, that is because they follow karl marx. what was he? a socialist communist. they are hiding behind socialism. so the american people better wake up and the young people who think they can get everything for free -- there is no such thing as free in the world. i'm talking because the communists in russia, they sent my father to siberia. they took everything from us. they deported us because we were born there but they told us we

were not russia. youngsters better think before they cast their vote. there are a lot of people who say they will vote for hillary clinton and she could have saved us -- she could have saved those poor boys. how are those mothers and fathers going to vote for her. guest: very passionate there. but she is right. by the way, hillary clinton is unable to tell the difference between a democrat and a socialist which is a problem as far as i'm concerned. she is right, there is no such thing as the stuff. free stuff is paid for by someone. it doesn't work. if you look at reagan's national health service, they have a 30% greater mortality rate from cancer than we do over here. that is a serious problem and it is because there is nothing free.

it has been 17 years since i was there that it is 12% of your income, the free health service. let's go to danny joining us. good morning to you, what a great program you have. i'm going to be really brief. i would like to ask the gentleman what he thinks of donald trump and the republican party -- can or will the republican party -- will it become the party of trump? i've seen him do things like we all have. it defies political reality. it completely defies it. should happenink if donald trump wins? will they become the party of trump? guest: i believe the republican

party will be thrown into some degree of chaos but they will indeed unite behind their nominee. trump, they will unite behind him. just as they would unite behind bernie sanders with the democrats. , a degree ofe is reality that would set in and it would with sanders. you have to work with congress. who is best at doing deals? i honestly suggest you read the deal and i think you will get your answer but i don't endorse anyone. if donald trump became president i think you would see less dealmakingd more than we have seen in a long time. host: the state newspaper in south carolina -- after iowa and new hampshire, the caucus moves to south carolina. donald trump is maintaining his

lead in that state. now we move to washington, d.c. -- good morning. caller: ima bernie sanders supporter. hypocrisynded at the that they reality each other. they voted against all of these programs. have senator grassley who was on, a committed conservative. however, he is a quadruple dipper. a gets a farm subsidy, federal salary, he is on social security and medicare and if and when he retires, he will get a federal pension on top of that. he has done well on federal money. i want to point out that hypocrisy. people inmany

congress doing the exact same thing. so when you rail against federal programs, you might want to look at yourself. that is an important point to make. i want to make one other statement. host: i want to make one point and i can't confirm this -- he does get federal subsidies but it would be unlikely to to get social security because he is full-time employed. caller: that is not what i was told. that once heing is reached a certain age, he was entitled to the full social security and he is definitely on medicare so he gets full coverage. host: he also gets health coverage from the senate. let's get a response. don't agree with federal programs -- i live in the and iowa is the home of mandate, the renewable fuels mandate -- i do not agree with

that and i don't believe it should be there. i think the markets should decide. i believe all energy subsidies should be removed. they should go and let the market decide. the way we decide is simple. we want to buy the cheapest energy we can get hold of. and wind energy right now is completely on. no one can make money out of wind energy if it was and for propsct that our money this industry. without that it simply wouldn't exist. tax money suppresses innovation. you can look at the wind energy people and say to them in five years time, i don't want to pull the rug out from under them, there are a lot of people love have invested money and there are a lot of jobs connected to them -- but i would say in five years time, all of that taxpayer cash is going to go away.

and that would force the wind energy people to innovate. it would force them to come up with a way to produce cheaper energy from wind. and if they can compete in the market, a fair market with zero subsidies from anyone then bless and good luck. i am not anti-wind, i am just anti-me paying for it twice. i think i have to pay for it where it ismade and consumed. host: thathost: is wrong and it needs to stop. this headline has both the hillary clinton and donald trump beating. in iowa, here's a question, what type of history will be made? not only for those who win but for those who may exceed expectations, get the third ticket on the republican side, what are you looking for? more than three

tickets out on the republican side this time. will be too thin the field and we will, there is no question. is someoneoking for who will have a surprise. here are some unknowns. kicks up his father's ground game? if he has he will finish better than he is polling. huckabee has done 150 events in iowa in january. will that have an effect? islands like retail politics. are there conservatives that are concerned about ted cruz? i believe there are. will they go to rick santorum or huckabee? will they peel off votes from ted cruz? marco rubio generally surging? or are there issues over immigration? it will be interesting to see how this shakes out. you are looking at the top four or five to maintain with a

realistic chance of sticking around for the long haul. on the democratic side, we have already decide, will martin o'malley's people break evenly or to one side? when they are in the caucus rooms, the enthusiasm that they might see around the bernie corner or the bernie table or the bernie room, that might drag them into that corner faster than hillary clinton's corner. and if bernie sanders wins iowa and goes on to win new hampshire, which i absolutely think he will, we are certainly going to be talking about 2008 all over again. -- she does seem strong in the south but she has serious explaining to do. i think we will see some history. host: we are alive all day in iowa covering candidates. then our c-span bus takes the trek to new hampshire.

they will be there next weekend and on primary day, reminder of our live coverage of the caucuses tomorrow evening and candidate speeches beginning here at 7:00 eastern time and 6:00 in the central time zone. now fromare joined herndon, virginia. caller: good morning. i want to talk about hillary clinton's e-mail. i think it probably wasn't classified. and then somebody came and put it as top-secret. i worked at the government for eight years and i have a top-secret clearance. i think the republicans are making a big deal out of this. plus, why would she -- guest: i would like to ask you a question. you worked for the government --

i like to ask you a question. would you have taken top-secret documents to your house? caller: no, i wouldn't. but that is what she did with everything. caller: she is the secretary of state. and -- had a server in his house. not classified and then it becomes classified when they look at it -- it wasn't classified. host: we will get a response. in's go to dorothy baltimore, maryland. caller: give me a few seconds to get this out. you talk about socialism and i want you to think about this. ever since i have looked at my paycheck i have been getting federal income taxes upwards of $6,000 a year. paying $10,000 a

year in federal money. in return, would you seem to be saying is that we shouldn't expect nothing and i never saw that money. our money collectively columns from all of us. collegedren did go to but say they were getting ready to go, he would say that somebody else is paying for it but not really. because we pay taxes since we have been born. so our money went to pay the salaries of our elected officials somewhere near $200,000 a year. they can pay themselves that off our tax dollars yet if we need that in reverse -- if you get me a politician that says they will -- charge us anymore taxes nothing. as long as taxes are coming out of my pay or my family, then we

deserve something back for our -- besideses playing paying politicians. so we are really using our own money. it's not a third person. it is us. [indiscernible] a second.g on our money is already being used. this is what the federal government is supposed to do. is supposed to secure borders, it is supposed to fund the military, it is underfunding the military. deal withsupposed to major infrastructure and we have bridges falling down. now you are saying, we should have free college? a big problem in our country is student debt. that is because the free public education is not delivering. we are sending our kids out to ,niversity at the age of 18

completely unprepared to go to university. and how do we know this? graduatee people who four-year degrees graduate them in six years. let's look at what the competition is doing. their kidsasia -- get to 18 years old and they go to college and they graduate their undergraduate degrees in three years. in other years -- in other words, student debt would be half of what it is if we free was deliveringn but it is not delivering and that is a huge problem. we need to tear that down. i would close that today and i would close the state departments of all 50 states and i would make principles the ceos of their schools. the good ones will survive and the bad once will disappear and we will have the choice as parents as to where to send our kids. our moneyt to use

properly, that is how we do it. if we are going to spend in ridiculous ways, free college for all, it's not free. we will be taxed tremendously. they willss taxes -- have to go up from the socialists because that is the only way you can do it. socialists understand taxes. that is what socialism is. sylvia. e-mail from the caucuses this intently last year? i don't remember. in fact, yes. back inen covering 1988. simon conway will you attend a caucus tomorrow as an observer? guest: no, because my afternoon show doesn't finish until 7:00

which is when the caucuses start and then i am doing a live reaction show across the midwest on various radio shows between 10:00-12:00. radio.com is the website and ronald reagan made his break their back in the 1930's, i believe? that is absolutely right. he worked there for five years. i am one of the privileged few who have been able to attend the reagan batch. i can tell you there is who stuff on his wall that he put there. host: including the microphone that he used when he was on the air? is that correct? thet: the microphone was in reagan library. three microphones left anywhere in the world and one of them is in the reagan library. to june in go

virginia on the republican line. caller: good morning. i want to say something. --hink that tom will trump that donald trump is a good man to turn the country around. i know he is a past, like we all do. straightnk he talks and i think our country needs somebody who understands .usiness because we need jobs people in the country suffer. 100 milesive within of washington, d.c.. i worked and lived in d.c. for 25 years. who did you support eight years ago, if i may ask? i voted for republican. straight republican every year. but let me tell you this. back inflaming liberal

the 70's and i did vote for jimmy carter -- i am embarrassed to say that. when reagan ram, i was a true believer in him. i learned quickly who was for business and who wasn't. because my second husband and i started a business in 1976. don't forget ronald reagan was a democrat's are you weren't alone. at what point did you say donald trump was your canada? what point did you decide he was your candidate? caller: the first week he talked. he makes good sense. thank you. host: thank you. to that caller,

can you assess what may happen? guest: you know, i hear it a lot. i think a lot of people who are going towards donald trump feel like we have been starved of an actual leader and we haven't had true leadership. people see a leader in him. they look at the way our college has been messed with. we see people with their hands on their heads captured by iranians and they know if we have a real leader, it would happen. that is the pickup that i have. donald trump is leading in the very last poll before the caucus. question -- it takes an hour to get through and i hate to be rushed off. i think the republican party --

they are giving all the attention to the legionnaires because if he runs as an independent he will split the republican vote of the democrats will win for sure and secondly, this guy is such an imposter as an independent -- anybody can see it. reagan, senior, buchanan, obama, sanders -- who have you voted for for president? how can you call yourself an independent? host: thank you, we will get a response. guest: i can tell you i have never voted straight ticket in my entire life. every time i voted, including back in the u.k. when i was a citizen there, i have never voted straight ticket in my whole life and i don't believe i will this time either. host: simon conway joined us from des moines, he can be heard on theradio and streamed web as well. thank you for being with us.

guest: my absolute pleasure. i will see you in four years. this we will continue conversation tomorrow morning on c-span's washington journal. the reporter for the associated press in des moines will be joining us to preview what to expect on caucus day. also, jim hightower will be joining us, he is a supporter of bernie sanders. and a new poll from the des moines register conducted by an selzer -- she will be joining us to talk about what may happen. newsmakers is next with governor terry rancid -- terry branstad. thank you for joining us on this sunday. we hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend. have a great week. ♪

>> next, newsmakers with governor terry branstad. andr that, bill clinton daughter chelsea join hillary clinton as a campaign rally in cedar rapids in iowa. then, marco rubio at a campaign event in ames, iowa.