support for bernie sanders. >> on your screen is manchester, new hampshire, the political center of the world this week. population 110,000. last night at the university of new hampshire a debate was held. bernie sanders and hillary clinton took part. one of the issues discussed was the definition of progressivism, what progressive means, and we want to hear from democrats only in this first section of "washington journal" this morning. only 748-8000.

you can also comment through social media. you can make a comment on our facebook page as well. that is facebook.com/cspan. here is a little bit from the debate last night. tothis discussion began gaza, not making an overall evaluation about the secretary. she was in ohio in september and november. she said something like, i have been criticized because people think i am a moderate. well, i am a moderate. that is where this came from. i did not paraphrase her. that is what you said. i said, there is nothing wrong with that, but you can't be a moderate and a progressive.

>> senator sanders is really trying to distinguish himself. that is what you do in campaigns, i understand. bethe same time, let's not -- and i think in an unfair way, making an accusation or an attack about where i stand and where i have always stood. inis fair to say, senator, your definition as you being the self-proclaimed gatekeeper for progressivism, i don't know anyone else who fits that definition. host: democrats only in this first section of "the washington journal." a new poll out by cnn. standards holds a -- sanders holds a two to one lead in new

hampshire. it is 30% for hillary clinton. on the republican side, the headline "ruboiio surges to second-place." donald trump, 29 percent. marco rubio, 18%. ted cruz, 13%. john kasich, 12 percent. jeb bush, 10%. chris christie, 4%. carly fiorina also at 4%. catherine writes in "the washington post," why millennial's feel the bern. generation that is broke and stuck in their parent's basements, a more robust social safety net and free college can sound pretty appealing. there is a second major reason millennial's prefer sanders to clinton and that one is more stylistic.

it has to do with his so-called authenticity, by which is usually meant his willingness to look and sound like a hot mess. i suspect young americans have always been skeptical of anyone trying to look or sound a particular way. that skepticism is heightened among today's youth. he goes on to write, it is precisely sanders' o-natu him to hisat endears supporters. these qualities are what make and seem authentic, sincere, especially when contrasted with clinton's hyper-scripted-ness. he does not give a damn if he is camera ready. that is from the column in "the washington post." times" lead story

is on the debate. mrs. clinton, loving her harshest assault yet -- lobbin g her harshest assault yet. of cuttingrt remarks she usually reserves for republicans and it drew boos from the audience at the university of new hampshire. progressivism, we will begin with marissa from montana. democrats only in this first segment. hello, marissa. .aller: good morning, c-span i am so grateful for c-span. thank you so much for book tv. anyways, what i would like to say this morning is, there are pessimists, optimists, and then there are possiblitists.

is it possible? and if it is, can we do it? if it is possible, we can. it is so possible that we can rebuild america and change out all the pbc pipes in. all the have to do is figure out what we want to do and we can do it. as democrats, we have such wonderful candidates. goodness, both of them are incredibly wonderful. everybody is always putting down political correctness, but really what it really is is just that we treat each other with dignity and respect. we don't compliment all kinds of names. we don't call people of different races names. it is just treating people with dignity and respect. we are just trying to be civil towards each other. that is all i have, but i am so grateful for c-span. america, we can manifest

anything. host: that is marissa in belfry, montana. she mentioned pbc pipes. there is a report that hillary clinton will visit flint, michigan on sunday. hill" newspaper and msnbc is the source. how do you define a progressive? caller: i have a question. host: you are on the air. caller: i have a question. host: yes, ma'am? caller: i have a question. host: all right, we are going to move on to tom. we've built on with your -- please go on with your definition of a progressive. [indiscernible] caller: he cares about americans.

we are not the 1%. believe me. it is only a dream for the poor people. or should i say, the minimum wage for the middle class. it is only a dream. believe me, i wish i could win $1 million, that it is only a dream. between a difference reality and a dream. the reality is corruption. host: that is tom from sarasota and this is lewis from new york city. how do you define a progressive? caller: how are you this morning? host: how are you?

caller: always a pleasure. you know, i actually think progressive is a copout word. i get the gist of the question. i was enthralled in a debate last night. i prefer the words liberal democrat. over the years, i think the reason progressives turn around so much -- especially in democratic primaries, peter -- is because they are both -- during the years i suppose, certainly leading up to the contract with america, and before that, as i know my political history. liberals became a dirty word, but conservatism never was.

there were so many moderate meanings to the word "conserve." that being said, let me just say that my definition of regresses progressivism is different from that of the liberalism. they were talking about who was more progressive, and i did not think that was the point. i have always admired senator sanders. a progressive is someone who believes in progress. a conservative, it is not so much that they are in favor of conservation. that is not what i was getting at. again, it is not a dictionary thing here. more ofy, but it's like -- i have great definitions

for ideology. i heard one of the earlier collars speak and i am speaking generally. question andr your not speak like a dictionary -- i will get off very shortly -- i just want to say that i think the difference really is what it is not that everything is possible. not everything is possible. what it did be a wonderful world -- wouldn't it be a wonderful world if everything was possible. host: we have to move on very quickly. you have four seconds. caller: better the world. host: this is matt. caller: good morning. host: go ahead, matt.

caller: i think a progressive is -- iody who is going to he wasto jeb bush and talking about getting rid of certain entitlements. host: matt, we have a bad connection there. forre asking democrats only this first segment. define a progressive and whether or not that is important to you. what you think of the candidates running on the democratic side, whether or not they are progressive, etc. that is what our conversation is revolving around. here is a little bit more of last night's democratic debate. i will absolutely admit that moretary clinton has far governors, mayors, members of the house.

she has the entire establishment, or almost the entire establishment behind her. that is a fact. but i am pretty proud that we have over one million people who have contributed to our campaign, averaging $27 a piece. 25,000 had meetings with or 30,000 people who have come out. our campaign is a campaign of the people, by the people, and for the people. so, racial? doessecretary clinton represent the establishment. i represent ordinary americans and by the way, i am not enamored with the establishment. >> senator sanders is the only person who would characterize me , a woman running to be the first woman president, as exemplifying the establishment and i've got to tell you that -- [applause] quite amusing to

me. people support me because they know me. they know my life's work. they have worked with me and many have also worked with senator sanders. at the end of the day, they endorse me because they know i can get things done. host: and from twitter, irisheyes says, i don't see why these silly labels matter. tell us what you want to do, why it is important, and how you are going to do it. another follower says, if by liberal they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people, their health, their housing their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties. someone who believes who can break through the stalemate and suspicions of that grip us in

our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by liberal, then i am a liberal. you morning, tell us what think of progressive is. caller: i'm glad john f. kennedy said that the cows i could not that aid everything progressive means to me as well. i know the word became popular after the denigration of the term liberal. progressive may be thinking about new ideas. i am a lifetime feminist activist. i am now 70 years old. quite liberals weren't there. think, are more in the vanguard of the liberal movement. host: who are you supporting for

president? caller: i'm supporting bernie sanders. the nomination, i will support her enthusiastically. i think she is a wonderful woman. i would classify her as establishment because of her endorsements. i think she has been cheated by the democratic national committee. that smells of establishment politics. yeah, i think she is more establishment than bernie sanders is. host: we have johnny from vacaville, california. democratic lawmakers are turning their fire on bernie sanders as he marches toward a big when in tuesday's new

hampshire primary. sanders could drag down candidates running for the house and senate if he wins the nomination. representative scott peters, who is one of the biggest republican targets in a the 2016 election cycle, suggested his constituents would view sanders socialistdescribed who is too extreme. tom, good morning to you. what is a progressive? would like to congratulate the people in your profession. it was the best moderating job i have ever seen. ask a question and let them go at it. they stayed out of the way and i would like to congratulate them for sure. ernie did a very good job audition aiding for the number two position. jobernie did a very good auditioning for the number two position. i just want it was the best

debate i have seen in a very long time. host: go to the question we are asking this morning. what is a progressive to you and are you a progressive? caller: for sure. i don't see where people get much progress here. there is no way the democrats can take back the house of representatives. if hillary wins the white house and the democrats get the senate, they still won't be able to push through any legislation passed paul ryan. i thought it was a great debate, ok. keith is calling in south of fort wayne. caller: a progressive is someone who constantly looks for a better way to do thing, a never-ending search for perfection. host: do you consider yourself a progressive? caller: yes, i do. a progressive can still stick

with some traditions and traditional institutions, but you are constantly looking for ways to improve the nation as a whole. host: with that positive definition, how would you define a conservative? caller: a conservative is more of a traditional. someone who has always worked in the past. there is no need to change or wheel.t tehe that is a conservative. host: if both democratic candidates are still standing by the time the primary reaches caller: indiana, who will you support? caller: i am going to support bernie sanders. host: why is that? caller: i just prefer bernie sanders. i have nothing against hillary clinton per se, but i have seen many news interviews with bernie

sanders from several years ago. his opinions and views have not changed or swayed and i agree with him an overwhelming majority of the time. host: sorry, i thought you were finished there. ed, from north carolina. what is a progressive to you? caller: to me, it is someone who is serious about trying to bring about change. i make the difference because, if you look at what has consistently and referred to as a liberal, it is typically someone who says, we want change, but we are either going to be pragmatic about it, for down toed to water it something that is acceptable to the other wing. thatgressive is somebody instead of saying, we are going to continue to water this down, they say, we are going to actually try to push through.

and prevent example for this would be the $15 an hour wage. bernie sanders says, i won $15 an hour wage. if you start from a position of weakness, you will end up with a lower result. in a nutshell, that is how i feel regarding the difference between a progressive and a liberal. host: this is the washington times. look ahead to this weekend and the candidate events. it is all about new hampshire this weekend with the state primary on tuesday and yes, there is yet another republican debate saturday night in manchester posted by abc. let's hope important policy stuff does not get overwhelmed by infighting. harper writes, governors chris

christie and john kasich, plus carly fiorina, each have 10 in events, followed by ted cruz with seven, jeb bush with six and senator marco rubio with four. mr. rubio is the only candidate holding a super bowl watch party at a country club in manchester. ben carson has three events and donald trump has staged two of his jumbo rallies. town halls,has two followed by two televised debates this week. hillary clinton and bernie sanders are not as active. mrs. clinton will be at a major fundraiser in boston on friday. also campaigning for her in new hampshire, senators aj franken, mikne shaheen, barbara uiski, and ebbie stabenow.

by wednesday, the candidates stampede is on once again. this time in south carolina. randy from belleville, illinois. what is a progressive? caller: good morning, america. i think it is what president kennedy said. some people look at things and say "why" and some people look at things and say "why not?" host: that is randy. are you a progressive and how do you define it if you are? a progressive,t but i would like to go back and explain history. the progressive movement started under lenin. party,ed the bolshevik he wanted a violent overthrow of governments. the opposition said, that will not work.

progressively and take over government. if you want to go to the history books and check on what i am see it.you will then, it really took off under this country under president wilson. ist is the ideology, that the starting of progressivism. host: who are you supporting for president right now? caller: i don't know. convolutedent is so right now. it has been that way for the past 30 or 40 years. speakingght now is about diminishing our debt. i don't know. it almost seems hopeless. host: a reminder, democrats only for this first segment. we want to talk about the issue of progressive and progressivism

and how you define that yourselves. we look the minute ago at all of the candidate events happening in new hampshire this weekend and monday before tuesday's election. there andn will be up we will be covering a lot of these events live. carly fiorina at 8:30 a.m. this morning will be live on c-span2. bernie sanders will be live at 10:00 a.m. on c-span following "the washington journal." everything we have covered so far you can watch online at www.c-span.org. the gop will not consider obama's final budget. a house and senate budget committees decided they will not hold a hearing regarding president obama's tenure in the white house. chair price from georgia said on thursday that they will skip hearings with

shaun donovan, the white house budget director to review the president's fiscal budget. the white house will unveil its latest budget blueprints on tuesday. what is the definition of a progressive to you, sir? caller: it is hard to come up with where is the term first started. if anything, i would say a progressive is someone in line with the thinking and thoughts and direction with franklin roosevelt and eleanor roosevelt. we have gone a long way from what the democratic party was and that is what i consider progressive, what the democratic party was under franklin roosevelt and where it is today. if they were alive today, i don't think they would recognize the democratic party as it is today. .ertainly, eleanor roosevelt it was a fair country then.

she would have been the first unitedresident of the states. if she were alive today, she would laugh at the fact that mrs. clinton would be running for president under the democratic party. i think the new party that will develop should, mr. sanders should not get elected, should be a new particle the progressive party. i left at a previous caller who indicated that bernie would make a great second person to mrs. clinton. i think that is ludicrous and i don't think anybody would endorse that. lastly, i would like to say that there are a number of people like myself who i feel will never vote for mrs. clinton and will look for alternative candidates to vote for.

those are the true progressives. thank you. registry,des moines you probably heard about this, the editorial they ran yesterday. something smells in the democratic party. what happened monday night in iowa at the caucuses was a debacle, the register writes. at thecy, particularly local party level can be slow, messy, and its gear. the refusal to undergo scrutiny reeks of hypocrisy. the iowa democratic party must act likely to ensure the accuracy of the results beyond a shadow of the doubt. first of all, the results were too close not to do a complete audit. separated bernie sanders and hillary clinton. and is worth noting that much

kick offrgins automatic recounts. untrained and overwhelmed volunteers can confuse voters. a lack of voter registration forms and other problems can affect this. too many of us saw opportunities for error amid monday night's chaos. "the wall street journal" yesterday recorded that, the turnout in iowa. republicansts and participated in the caucuses. a record number of people attended the caucuses, while the democratic party said 171,000 were at their meeting. lori in milton, western virginia. are you a progressive? caller: i am socially.

i would usually say i am personally conservative and socially liberal. that is how i have my terms. but for me, a progressive is someone who works towards progress. they see things not as a soothsayer, but they are looking in the future. we have this issue. we have lost all these jobs in coal. we have seen this coming for years, and yet we have not moved towards changing the environment. clean coal, if there is such a thing. it was never really pushed forward. i think i'm going to be supporting bernie sanders and i like hillary clinton. what i like about bernie sanders, and i have seen a lot of his -- i have listened to him for a long time.

if you listen to him on the house floor when there has been situations, the things he has said. he has the foresight. he sees into the future. we have got a lot of problems that are institutionalized and i think that is why donald trump tappednie sanders haved into this. i could easily support donald trump because it is change. you don't go into a meeting with your opponent already conceding. you go in with, this is what i believe needs to be done. now, let's see what we can work together on. then, you compromise. but -- irack obama, still love barack obama, but in the health care laws he already conceded a lot of the things he was for before he got into the

negotiations. so, i think bernie is one who goes in with, this is what i want to see happen. then, the compromises are made to where you don't lose so much of what you really want to see. host: what do you do in milton, west virginia? caller: i was a nurse, but i have systemic lupus. during the crisis my husband was laid off from his job. i have called several times on this. he was laid off from his job. he was very ill. it has taken all of these years now,t his disability and we are in a fight for our home. year.band made 60,000 a

we had to use all of our resources. we sold everything we have. that is why i say i am personally conservative. we did not buy big things. everything we did to our home we paid for. ornever financed a car things like that. we paid for them in cash. host: we going to leave it there and move on to lee in mckenzie bridge, oregon. caller: i am a progressive. progressivism started at the turn of the century. federal,ts, local and provided safe working conditions for the people. that transitioned into the new deal with of the roosevelt program. so, that is what i would define as a progressive. host: thank you for calling. david, what is your definition?

-- theymy definition is are doing a good campaign and everything, right? that theyoint of view have other people in the white house they have to listen to before they can have their way of doing. right or wrong. host: thank you for your comment. times" theew york senator will oppose the transpacific trade pact. one of the most influential congressional republicans on trade issues announced on thursday that he would oppose it unless significant changes were made. was a tradeportman ambassador under president george w. bush.

he objects to the accord's provisions on currency manipulation, auto parts and pharmaceutical industry protections. lawmakers in both parties have raised the same issues, but mr. portman pasha of 40 country is certain to carry extra weight. caller: progressivism, like the lady from west virginia said, is pretty simple. definition is, the of fundamentalism. i read in front of me, a form of inigion that upholds belief the strict, literal interpretation of scripture. i think that is more dangerous than progressivism. as far as i am concerned, i don't care -- my concern,

whoever wins the presidency has the power and the ability to change things. if donald trump wins according to the polls, he has no shot against hillary or bernie. digits. in double -- my mind isn rambling a little bit. i am under the assumption there will be a republican congress. and if there is a republican congress, either hillary or bernie will get the same treatment barack obama did when he was first elected. the only person i think -- and basically, i am a democrat even though 20 years ago, we did not think democrat or republican. we thought of the person. john kasich is the only guy that can do anything. he has the experience. he has the patience. he has just got it.

guts to stand up to congress to get things done. republican,u are a you are better off of voting for john kasich than trump. trump is not going to get elected. host: bobby on twitter says, progressives believe in making progress toward the american ideal of liberty and justice for all. opposing fascism. democrats equal progressives. the wikileaks founder said he would allow british police to arrest him if a you and panel rules friday against him in a nonbinding legal case. he has been held in the ecuadorian embassy since june of 2012. if he steps outside, he would immediately be arrested and face extradition to sweden and the

u.s.. announcee un tomorrow that i have lost my case against the u.k. and sweden, i shall exit the embassy at noon on friday to accept arrest by british police as there is no meaningful prospect of further appeal. working groupions on arbitrary detention is likely to announced friday it verdict on whether assange is being detained illegally. patrick in carnegie, pennsylvania. good morning. what is your definition of a progressive? anler: a progressive is individual who challenges the mechanisms of what we are dealing with. go across the board

when it comes to global , theructs because assange individuals, whether it is the mechanisms of tyranny, which we are dealing with, or being compromised when it comes to the the american people and the people around the world are dealing with. let me be very clear. the american people are dealing with tyranny on top of ty tryanny.apped in more everything we are witnessing now is mechanized in a construct of globalization. i am talking about the funding apparatuses at the pentagon, which are 500 billion dollars.

the american people are setting a standard of stupidity and allowing war on top of war, wrapped in more war. assange, andng, anyone who challenges the mechanisms of war are challenging the constructs of what we are doing as a global society. host: thank you very much, patrick. reports york times" that about 12.7 million people have health insurance under the affordable care act. they had their coverage automatically renewed in the third annual open enrollment season. sylvia burwell said the sign-ups

exceeded her goals and her expectations. travis is in centerville, virginia. good morning. please go ahead. caller: i am a progressive. my idea of progressivism is almost like a scientist. a person who will experiment and try new things. unfortunately, conservatives have the mindset that tradition is tradition is tradition is tradition. in thenately, tradition natural world changes and if you can't adapt to the natural world, you die. for example, climate change. many refuse to ignore knowledge that climate change is a real problem pretty much almost everyone on

that stage is a conservative. urge people to vote for a real progressive, bernie sanders. post""the washington chief justice robert says bipartisan few are covering coloring the public perception of the role of the supreme court, recasting the justices as players in the political process, rather than its referees. divisive battles over confirmations and mischaracterization of the merits of the court's decisions where it him. robert told a ballroom crowd of about 1000 people at a celebration of law day at new england law-boston, a private law school. right about the article is another article about

powell. owell isline is, "pwe clinton's unlikely new ally." it says in the article, hillary clinton gained an unlikely new ally. powell said he disagreed with the state department decision to retroactively classified two e-mails from his personal account while in office. "i have reviewed the messages and i do not see what makes them classified," powell said of the e-mails, which were uncovered late last year by the state department's their general. that powello say has that in the past that he found the state department computer system, including internet and e-mail, to be inadequate when he took office in 2001. he devoted substantial resources

to improving it and made liberal use of his personal aol account. are you a progressive and how do you define it? caller: good morning and thank you for c-span. no, i am not a progressive. i am a democrat. for anybody out there who does not know what a yellow dog democrat is, it is a democrat who would rather vote for a yellow dog than a republican. i him listening to the various definitions of progressive and i think it is obvious. there are many different definitions of progressive as are of any other category. i just want to say a couple things. i know bernie sanders was foricizing hillary clinton

having members of congress support her. but we elected these people and we sent them there. they are our representatives. wonder why after 20 years in congress he doesn't have anybody supporting him. host: that was liz from massachusetts. carly fiorina mrs. the debate stage. she will not be on the debate stage. she will miss out entirely on the national spotlight. she had petitioned the rnc to step in and force her inclusion. they did not do so. carly fiorina noted she finished higher than caskasich. she pointed out she has more cash on hand than chris christie and john kasich. in newcurrently at 4%

hampshire. "the washington post" reports that the anti-abortion videographer turned himself in and is charged. this is david deligh. toturned himself in authorities in texas on thursday morning. he was a guest on this program two weeks ago and you can go to www.c-span.org and watch the entire segment by typing in his name. you can watch it all online. texas.rom fort worth, what is a progressive? caller: a progressive is a politician that makes progress and does not quit until it is made. republicans calling in and urging people to vote for john kasich, you should cut them off. host: why? caller: because they are

republicans. this is for democrats only. host: ok. larry, what do you do in fort worth? caller: i am retired. host: from what? caller: i used to be a nightclub owner. host: what kind of nightclub? caller: this go. -- disco. bcack in the day. host: coming up, we are going back to new hampshire. we have three guests coming up. one is a supporter of bernie sanders. one is a supporter of jeb bush. coming up next, andrew smith, the survey center director at the university of new hampshire and the author of a new book. we will be talking all things new hampshire and politics, next.

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the hill. >> there is so much more c-span does to make sure people know what is going on. >> "washington journal" continues. host: back up to manchester, new hampshire we go and joining us now is andrew smith. in durham, he is the survey center director there. thank you for joining us this morning, mr. smith. we want to talk about this new ndll you put out for cnn ad wmur. bernie sanders has 61% in new hampshire. hillary clinton has 30%. >> we have seen that lead never quite some time. sanders pulled ahead of clinton back in the fall. i think the clinton campaign made a enormous mistake ignoring

sanders as a challenger, thinking he would go away. or the democrats would not support someone who had just recently become a democrat. on andnders has held extended his lead. he has tremendous support among younger people and people who have not voted in the primary before. the only saving grace you can see for hillary clinton right now is those people are the least likely to show up in the election next week. host: who are those people? ted chung: people under the age of 25 or 30 and people who have not voted in a primary in 2008 or 2012. we know younger people are less likely to vote than people who are in their 30's, 40's, or 50's. voting is a habit and if you have voted in the earlier primaries, there isn't much better chance that you will vote in the current primaries. host: have somebody who has observed, covered and research into politics for a long time,

mr. smith, what if bernie sanders wins by 10 points or what the wins by 30 points? what is the significance? >> it is not if you win or lose, it is if you manage the expectations set for you by your campaign, and by the press. clinton is in the polls right now. in singleable to lose digit, that is almost a victory. her husband bill clinton had been losing by up to 16 points and pulls rugby for the primary. helost only by eight and claimed that was a victory and claimed he was a comeback kid. he used that to build momentum primaries.equent she could plausibly make the same case. however, if this lead for sanders holds up, it will be difficult for her to explain away a 20 point loss.

it was because sanders is from a neighboring state. what we have seen historically is candidates from new england do better here. the major reason isn't because they are better known. the democrats for example, in new hampshire are very similar berniedemocrats sanders is used to. a hard timeve explaining away a large loss. that would damage her and build momentum for bernie sanders and make him a much more credible candidate in states like south carolina. host: we have left the line open. the number to call on is on the screen. you write that there is some importance attached to the new

hampshire primary, but that it could be overblown. >> that is true. there used to be a new hampshire slogan that read "new hampshire first, always right." we saw that bill clinton finished second in 1992. first w bush was blown out by john mccain. hillary clinton beat barack obama here in 2008. all three went on to win the presidency. candidatesf those who won the party nomination, have won new hampshire. it is not as important as it used to be, but it is still the single most important dates in the nomination process. iowa is important, but because iowa and new hampshire have campaigns going on at the same time, they are like parallel campaigns. new hampshire can often stop the

momentum of the candidate who wins iowa. the electorate in iowa and new hampshire are so different that the new hampshire candidate is typically the one who gets the momentum going forward. it is not the dominant state it used to be in the early part of the 1970's and 1980's when the parties and candidates were just process out the primary . it is still the single most important state. host: let's look at the republican side. here is the most recent poll. donald trump, 29%. marco rubio up to second place with 18%. ted cruz, 13%. john kasich, 12%. chris christie and carly fiorina each have 4%. what is significant in that to you? mr. smith: the takeaway is that

donald trump's numbers have not budged before or after iowa. that is typical. even though he did not win in iowa, it has not impacted voters here. it is also not surprising that ted cruz who won iowa is not getting much traction here. it is not been a republican theidate who has won both iowa caucuses and the new hampshire primary in the same year. mainly because the iowa caucuses are dominated by more socially conservative and evangelical voters. 45% of new hampshire voters are moderate to liberal and are not that concerned about social issues. it is not surprising that ted cruz is down fairly far. marco rubio is the one to watch. rubioe have seen is marco is one of those candidates who is pretty accepted with the conservative wing and the

mainstream wing. they like him and have not had much to dislike about him, yet. io is getting a bit of a bounce from his third-place finish in iowa, the unexpected third-place finish. what that is allowing voters in new hampshire to do is to take a second look at his campaign to see if he might be the more mainstream republican, who are right now bunched altogether. if you get behind marco rubio and ted cruz, use the john kasich, jeb bush, and chris christie bunched together. we expected one of those candidates to pull away from the others over the last weekend. buto may be that person, it is still too early to say. host: the population of new hampshire is about 1.3 million people.

voters or registered undeclared. 30% are republican and 26% are democratic. can anybody vote in any primary? mr. smith: new hampshire is a semi closed primary. if you are registered as a republican you can only vote in the republican primary. it is the same with democrats. those we call independents can vote in either. using that term makes many people outside of the state, as well as people here in new hampshire, that they are free agents. in then choose republican and democratic primary. that is true, but most of them are democrats and republicans. 38% are really democrats and 33% are really republicans. undeclared voters that are really democrats vote like other

democrats. they will vote primarily in the democratic primary. similarly, dos about the same as registered republicans. those people who could truly pick up a ballot from either party makeup a very small percentage of the overall electorate, somewhere in the 3%-7% range. it is nowhere near as large as the 44% that is thrown around as the big block of independence that will sway the election. andy smith has been the director of the university of new hampshire survey center since 1999. he also teaches political science at that university. the first call for him comes thank you forand taking my call. i would like to ask you to what

do you attribute the bernie sanders-trump phenomenon? i was raised to believe that we if you arefficials qualified for a job because of recommendations, experience, proven records. in both of these men, there is not much of that. heartband is a purple recipient from the korean war, and bernie sanders was on the committee for veterans quagmireation and the resulted in men dying, not getting treatment and we are only hearing about it. what did he do for the veterans to change that? host: thank you. mr. smith? guest: it is interesting.

we have come around to think that the qualifications for a president means you must have office,revious elected governor or at least a senator. that is a more recent phenomenon. the founding fathers outlined what the characteristics were for office, and they were integrity, strength of character, honesty and wisdom, but they do not say anything about elected office. century, we often elected generals who had not been political at all. even as recently as 1952, we elected dwight eisenhower who had no previous political experience. democraticthat the and republican parties were recruiting him in 1952 simply on the strength of his celebrity and being able to prosecute the war in europe. said, i think some of the anger you are seeing expressed in both republican and democratic electorates has its

roots in economic stagnation that has taken place over the last 20 years. people are working more now, and even in new hampshire, we have an unemployment rate of 3.1%, but there are people angry about the economy. we are anxious about the economic future and they have a lot of debt. younger people in particular have not been able to get jobs here and in other parts of the debtry and have enormous out of college. i think it is the anxiety leading people to say, ok, we need somebody different, outside of the normal political structure to look at. i think that is why you are seeing trump and sanders. not that the trump and sanders voters might switch over and vote for the other guy, the partisanship really prevents that from happening, but i think that is one reason you are seeing these outsider candidates, candidates not in the mainstream of their parties, having more success. host: carl is in baltimore and a

republican. caller: hi, how are you doing? host: please, go ahead. caller: thank you. -- i have been g and six college credits. i get looked for a job, the job because i qualify for it. the president of the united states is the commander-in-chief. he didn't really answer it. you run for president because you are in the military, it is a military job. in thee a problem nation, we have congress. you vote for people who believe in what you believe in and will accomplish what you want to the congress. congressmen, senators, house of representatives, they will the country.

we put too much on that. he is there to protect you, the commander-in-chief, like george washington said, i don't want to be a king. the military, of your commander-in-chief, that's it. host: who are you currently supporting for president? caller: i am a republican, so ago with republicans. term does not qualify. none of the front runners qualify. they are not military people. host: that is carl in baltimore. he is right. throughout the 19 century and starting with george washington, people with military experience have often served as president and they pointed to the military experience as a major qualification. since we have gotten to the 20th century and the later part of the 20th century, the role of the president has expanded the on the traditional and more constitutionally-based role as

dealing with foreign policy, primarily with outside relations , and letting states deal with what happens in terms of domestic policy as federal government become bigger and bigger, the president takes on the role as chief executive more than the commander-in-chief of the united states. he has been seen as the person who is essentially a giant governor of the country. i think that is one of the reasons you see governors be more successful in 20th century. hadof those people have military experience, but if you look over the past several presidents we had, barack obama did not have military experience, george w. bush was in the national guard, bill clinton did not have military experience. george h.w. bush was the last you could say it really had military experience with his time in world war ii as a pilot. host: how important our military issues to new hampshire voters? jeb bush talked quite a bit in this town hall last night about

veterans. speaking, foreign affairs and terrorism related issues are the top issue on the republican side. the democratic side is economic. it is important for republicans, and we have had republican candidates talking very tough on things like what they would do it isis if they were elected, how do it feel with the soviet union -- showing my age -- how they would deal with russia and how they might deal with china. donald trump is made this essential part of his campaign and he wants to get the u.s. military where everyone will fear us and no one will mess with us. that is attracting veterans and nonveterans. the whole issue about veterans affairs and dealing with veterans has been interesting in new hampshire. one of the issues we have appeared, we are fairly suburban and if you live in southeastern

parts of this day, you have access to veterans facilities in massachusetts or new hampshire, but a lot of the veterans of the rural parts are stuck. it is a long way for them to get to a veteran facility, so there are efforts to make it easier for them to go to regular hospitals and get treatment. host: four days out, what percentage of voters are undecided? guest: historically, anywhere between 35% to 45% of primary voters have told people and then suppose that they made up their minds in the last three days. 15% to 20% said they made up their mind on election day. the polls we see right now on the republican side shows that 40% ofnly about republicans say they firmly decided who they are going to vote for. that is about 65% of democrats who say they decided to they will vote for. not surprising that the democrats are more's decided since they'll have two people. we could see a a lot of movement over the past weekend -- over

this weekend because many have not made up their minds. host: bill on the independent line. caller: good morning. thank you particular call. for taking my call. i follow mr. sanders closely and listen to his speeches. what hetand completely is saying. he articulates his positions extremely well. see all ofis that i the republican contenders calling themselves conservatives, but i don't understand what they are this leftwardmbat shift in the democratic party. are they purposely avoiding

these issues and waiting for the general election? exactly what the with the are to deal challenge that mr. sanders is presented. also, hillary clinton. i am confused. all of the republican candidates seem to be running at the right and is the republican party, but when they come to the election in the fall, whoever is the nominee is going to have to run from the center. host: i think we got the point. andrew smith? guest: that is the contrary -- politicals quandary are in. you have to run as far to the right and then run like hell

back to the center and i think that is the case in both parties. the republicans are trying to out conservative each other, whatever that definition might be, and on the democratic side, there is quite a debate on so which of the candidates is the two progressive, meaning, further to the left. in primary nomination processes or schedules, typically, with the notable exception of new hampshire, only the most activist voters come out and vote. those activist tend to be far more to the polar extremes of the parties. the voters appeal to during the primary process or the nomination process and then you have to hope that the things that you said during the primary do not allow you to be tainted too far to the extreme or the more moderate -- for the more moderate general election voter. both parties are having trouble with this right now. bernie sanders has forced

hillary clinton to run further to the left then wanted to. sanders does not have problems with that and he is doing quite well among democrats who want to hear that. on the republican side, they're moving to the right, many different versions of conservatism over there, but the notable exception is donald trump. wins both party nominations, they will have the challenge of moving back to the center because these processes have made the move to the extremes of the parties. host: what if it snows on tuesday? how does that affect turnout? to still are used appear, even though we have not had much this year. it might dampen turnout a little bit but they would have to be an dampens snowstorm to turnout significantly. last year, we had over 100 inches in new hampshire, so we are used to it and we have people who know how to get about the streets and their sidewalks quickly. host: record turnout for republicans in iowa at the

caucuses. what do you predict poor turnout this year? -- for turnout this year? we had recordght turnout in new hampshire. we had about 54% come to voting eligible population voting turnout. in 2016, it was record turnout me,republicans -- excuse 2000 12 was another record for republicans and opera democrats because they did not have a competitive primary. this year, both are competitive. i think we might see another record turnout, so that if 24% range could happen again. that is important because in new hampshire, we don't really have just activist determining who wins the primary. it is regular voters, people who don't pay as much attention to politics, who don't know the candidates as well, the issue positions of the candidates. i think that is the major reason why you see the new hampshire electorate the more volatile

than the electorate in other states because you have people who are essentially choosing flavors of ice cream when they choose a candidate and they don't see a lot of difference. they will be happy with whoever wins the party nomination. host: we have said aside our fourth voting line for people in new hampshire. (202)-748-8003 is the number to call. sue in new jersey. democrat. caller: good morning, gentlemen. that theve an opinion party is nothing but actors and they always try to use situations to their benefit and convince the voters that they are the best for the country. there is not a single person in each party who has the best of the people in their hearts. therefore, my question is -- is

there any chance that someone with a good heart and a love of god in their heart and they care about the people in this country and this people that are suffering around the world that they can come together, both parties, and bring the world to a calmer situation. host: that is sue in colonial, new jersey, any comment? guest: after watching presidential elections for many decades, i think that come to a cynical conclusion that you have to be have crazy or certainly somewhat psychopathic to run for president and to think that you are the person who deserves to be most powerful person in the world and that you alone are qualified to do that job. i think sue has a point that the people who run for office are only out to tell the people what

they want to hear or what they think they want to hear and get power for themselves. the most important role in any elected office or any elected government is to get elected. if you are not elected, you don't have the ability to affect a change of up to make. that is the trade-off that you have in any democratic system. you have to appeal to voters first. edmund burke talked about this in his letter to the people of bristol that basically says, you are elected me for my wisdom and judgment, not to do what you necessarily want me to do and you can always throw me out if you don't believe i am living up to what you wanted me to do. he was thrown out of parliament after that. [laughter] it is a problem in a democratic society -- what do you have to do to appeal to the voters and how do implement what you think is best for the country once you are elected? debate one is a saturday night, a republican debate, but some candidates have events this weekend.

andy smith is someone who has observed this process for a long time. ,hat will make more difference the debate or smaller events where new hampshireites can meet the candidates? guest: we don't know really. the debates have the potential and having artant significant impact, but we don't know. we have seen sometimes which debates have been hugely important. i think the debate in 2008 with hillary clinton was important and that helped her secure the democratic win that year, but there are other times when debates are more the same, so it remains to be seen. shaking hands and meeting with people is important, but most voters really don't ever have a chance or don't bother to try to meet a candidate and shake cans with the candidate. you have the opportunity to do that in new hampshire you want to, but most voters don't take

advantage of that opportunity. i think with the campaigns are makingtrying to do is sure their get out the vote machines are ready to go and identify the number of voters they think they need to have to get to their level of success. they can really turn this people out on election day. -- campaigning is designed obviously it is designed, you want to meet people, have them have a good sense about you, gave the media attention in local media and national media from that campaign stop, but it is really making sure that your kid out the vote machine is ready on election day. host: amber is in pittsfield, new hampshire, democrat. have you ever attended a candidate event? caller: good morning, gentlemen. one way, i did go to back when, but i just had a quick question.

if someone is registered in new hampshire as democrat and they wanted to vote independent, will that be a problem? guest: if you are registered as a democrat, you can only vote in the democratic primary. if you wanted to change a registration to independent aren't declared, you would have had to do that back in october and early november before the filing period for candidates was open. if you bow, you can change your status to undeclared or independent after you vote, but if you are a registered democrat before the election, you will only be able to vote in the democratic primary. gopaul is an national. caller: -- host: is in nashville. believe bernie sanders being a socialist will not be

able to make deals for the country work for him, so what is your opinion, sir? that: that is the argument the clinton campaign has been making. clinton has not been making it has directly, but the rest of the campaign and the surrogates have been making that case. one person earlier referred to the potential republican ad against sanders as standing next to a hammer and sickle, referencing the soviet union, so it is something central to the minds of a lot of democrats, but we also see a lot who really don't have the bad or negative associations with socialism like older voters. if you give a 25-year-old, the berlin wall fell before they were warned, the soviet union was gone when they were just children. they do not think of socialism as the gulags of the soviet union for the cultural revolution of china.

they think of socialism as may be that nice trip they made to denmark, sweden, germany or france, socialized medical programs which seem to be popular, so the perception of what it means to be a socialist are changing as the historical era of the cold war is disappearing into our rearview mirrors. host: your senator jeanne shaheen is campaigning for hillary clinton and campaigning this weekend for her. barbara bush was out with jeff last night, what if john mccain stepped into the race? i am just trying to gather up endorsements. do they matter? endorsements i don't think really matter too much. i think what helps is if you have a surrogate that can go out and attract people enough so you in moret the candidates

than one place at the time. the most viable is the time and people want to hear the candidates, but if you are able to bring a movie star, rockstar, famous politician, people might want to come out and here and that allows you to be multiple places at one time. i think endorsements in and of themselves don't really help. you mentioned john mccain, he was an avid supporter of lindsey graham and he essentially went nowhere. that is not john mccain's fault because ultimately, it is the candidate who has to attract support and not the surrogates. host: jeff in gaithersburg, maryland. go ahead with your question or comment. caller: good morning. i wanted to say i think you are on the right track earlier asking about the conservative and progressive question. we should dump the parties and just go with that -- conservative and progressive -- and that the people make up their minds about what that

means to them. i wanted to ask mr. smith about the polling and actual voting. doesn't it seem like a lot of people, if they see what the result is going to end up the for certain election, if they are going to vote the opposite way, why bother, you know? why bother going through the process of voting if it is already tabulated by way of a poll? tost: i can speak directly that from new hampshire. the final polls in new hampshire, those are the polls taken over the last weekend and essentially finished on sunday that before the election, they are notoriously inaccurate. we certainly saw that in 2008 where all of the polls show that barack obama would win by now which of seven percentage points and hillary clinton one by 2.5 points. back in 1990, polls show that john mccain would win by eight

points by average but he won by 19. back in 1984, kerry hart one even though he was not leading in the polls. in new hampshire, i think holes are wrong as often as they are right. the reason is that in new hampshire, people are not polls butsting the they do make up their mind in the end. polls may influence some people to not vote for some candidates in a multiparty field and today feels has no chance of winning and not to go with the votes, but it does not meet the candidate who is leading is going to win. we have seen these changed dramatically in the past and i would not be surprised at all if we see changes in new hampshire over this past weekend. in rocks though, maryland. caller: good morning, gentlemen. how you just about mentioned the clinton campaign bernie sanders

electability issue and i see hillary clinton is having a credibility issue, whether it is e-mail, transparency, she is not willing to release her transcripts or saying openly that she will release her transcripts. i think she is underestimating the fallout from the independent minded democrats like myself were just -- or just independent voters. she is denying she is a part of the establishment and stating that she is the first woman. the voters are not that ignorant just a think they will vote for her because she is a woman. otherwise, she would have won in 2008. they are going to vote for her based on their positive factors. saying she is going to be a fighter but we need a leader, someone who will bring consensus and action in washington and not someone who will bring continued [indiscernible] i think hillary is in real trouble and bernie is bring that

out. she cannot make that up, so i think there will be challenges. i'm sure your polling data shows that. thank you very much. guest: we are seeing that in the polling data that the e-mail controversy, not for all democrats and not for clinton supporters, but it has undermined her credibility. we asked democratic primary voters which candidate they think is at least honest and 55% named hillary clinton and only 10% to 15% named bernie sanders. there is a credibility issue that clinton has been fighting, and also in 2008 as well. you can see that during the debate last night with the issue up her speech transcripts coming up. the is relatively new to campaign and has not been something that has been talked about too much until recently. that might be something to pay attention to over the weekend as well, that it fits in with the problem that a lot of democrats had about her credibility and how that could hurt her electability in november.

new hampshire is a swing state in general elections and we see that bernie sanders has been doing much better than hillary clinton against all republican candidates. i think that credibility issue that you speak to is part of the reason for that. host: a new hole out shows nationwide that hillary clinton has 44% and bernie sanders is that 42%. let's hear next from betty in planters bill, mississippi, republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. christian,no, hispanic american and i wanted to comment on what happened on the caucuses. i was strongly looking at ted cruz and marco rubio and i am .isappointed on the dishonesty after looking at everybody on the news, the last person that really confirmed it for me was with numbers.

there was a deception and ted cruz and marco rubio knew about it and i am disappointed. first of all, as a christian. when we confess to christ, we cannot use christ to an elections. god is big enough to win an election, but dishonesty is very bad and i am so disappointed. i wanted to vote for either one of those men, but when they pulled that dishonesty against god and mr. carson, it broke i heart. i will not be voting for them. they apologized -- ted cruz apologized and marco rubio said he was not in on it, but everybody says he was. host: betty in mississippi. mr. smith? guest: honesty is essential characteristic that voters are looking for in the president. to think that there is not nohonesty in politics, and offense, but it is somewhat naive, most politicians have to, at times, be at least deceitful and how they work and politics

is a dirty business, injured again, and dirty tricks go on all of the time. i do not think he will see many candidates, if any, at the master level who have not engaged in some sort of dirty tricks at some level of their campaign. politics --e about how can you tell of a politician is lying? well, their lips are moving. this is not something new. host: she identified yourself as a christian. how important is the conservative christian vote in new hampshire? not very. new hampshire is the second least religious state in the country. evangelicals make up a smaller segment of the electorate and only one state in massachusetts evangelicals of are born again christians in the republican primary or caucus electorate. candidates that can

appeal again to the social conservatives and evangelical christians in states like iowa, south carolina and others, those voters largely do not exist in new hampshire. the major religious denominations in new hampshire are catholics burst, and after that, eager than to mainline dominations, congregational church, presbyterians, etc. but the evangelical church and the evangelical segment of the republican electorate is quite small. not typically very impactful. the way that you can see this is issues of the socialist -- some of the social issues that are important, for example, abortion. whole, soy as a republicans here are pro-choice and they are not concerned about

things like gay marriage. they are not church attendees by and large and they're much more what you see up and down the east coast, far less religious than other parts of the country. ont: jerome is an tennessee her independent line. go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you c-span for taking my call. just a few comments as we had to new hampshire, basically, every four years what i see is first of all, the voters are hypnotized and down the road when the candidate wins, you are desensitized to the fact that they are the candidates and all they can possibly do is 30% of what they promised is actually completed. they will send you down the aloe brick road, but they don't play that there is a hot air balloon ck your rubyr cli

reds three times and hope you get back home. thisinal comment, i think should be mandatory. any person running for the highest office should take a mandatory by detector test and then we will find out who rises to the top. have a great day, america. host: andy smith? guest: i think he is expressing the sentiments of a lot of americans. a lie detector test might be difficult because we have a fairly thin rank of people running for office. has servedomeone who new hampshire politics a long time, what you make of the donald trump campaign? guest: we have seen this in the past before were it is unsettled. most recently, i would look at 1996. he won and he put up a strong george h wgainst bush in 1992, so we see this populism anti-establishment

republican candidate do well in the past. trump is a little bit different in that he is much more famous and he has a lot more money. able to was not continue after new hampshire because he did not have the cash to be able to do that, whereas trump certainly has the money to fight on in other states, even if you should lose in new hampshire. it is not a new phenomenon but it is slightly different than the past because of the celebrity of trump we have seen it before. host: what is your methodology and polling? guest: we use random digit tiling techniques where we randomly sample landline and cellular telephones. about 65% to 70% of the telephones initially sampled our cell phones and then we randomly sample of adults within the household and we don't take the first person to answers the phone. we have a series of questions that screens down to what we consider likely voters and go on from there. i think that is an important

point. the electorate in new hampshire changes so quickly. between 2008 and today, about 30% of potential voters in the state are different people. about 12% were not old enough to vote in 2008 and about 18% to not live in new hampshire in 2008. he might go, why does this matter in polling? well, a lot of organizations have used previous primary voters as their sampling. the list of where they get the names of people to call, and if you did that on the democratic side this year and looked at the 2008, the last time there was a competitive primary on the democratic side, and you wanted to get voters who voted in that primary, you have systematically excluded younger voters who just turned 18 as well as the few people who voted or moved into the state and have not voted in the primary before. if you did that, i think you would seriously underestimate bernie sanders' support.

people under the age of 25 years old, he is up 80% among that group and over 70% or 75% among people who said they never voted in a primary in 2008 going 2012, so the methodology that you use can impact the results again on your surveys. is i thinkno survey necessarily predictive, not because of mythological -- methodology, but many voters have not made up their minds. host: when will your next poll be out? guest: today. tracking poll today and one more tomorrow. sunday, this is something many people have not talked about, but we have this thing on sunday called the super bowl. if the patriots had been in the, it would have been a superduper bowl because this is new england patriot territory, but that has been observed that the campaign because those voters will not be

paying attention to campaigns on sunday evening and they will not be answering their phone to talk to pollsters, so we will continue our surveying somewhat into monday and have our final poll released on monday evening. host: the current poll shows that bernie sanders is that 61% and hillary clinton at 31 percent in new hampshire. donald trump at 29%, marco rubio at 18%, ted cruz at 13%, john kasich 12%, jeb bush at 10 percent, and chris christie and carly fiorina at 4%. let's finish with this tweeps, karen asks, if new hampshire has not been successful in picking the ultimate nominee, why put so much importance on it? guest: frankly, because it is first in the nomination process that we have now with the early states having a much larger impact the later states because they know the field and eliminate people and they identify the strongest candidates. while new hampshire has not picked the winner in the last

three presidents, nobody since 1970 two in the modern primary cycle has won their party's nomination or the presidency, either finishing first or second in new hampshire. host: that was andy smith from the university of new hampshire survey center. professor smith, we appreciate you coming on c-span. guest: thank you for having me. host: two more segments coming up. we will talk with the jeb bush supporter, a bernie sanders supporter, both are former state senators. while the new hampshire, we visited the new hampshire historical society in the capital of concord and we saw some historical artifacts related to presidential campaigns. we are joined by philip dunlap, the president of the new the start -- new hampshire historical society. tell us about your collection. >> we have been collecting since we started in 1823 and we have

accumulated a lot of material about new hampshire politics and national politics. >> how do you get these pieces? >> they are gifts many times, families gives us artifacts that have been in their attic or in their library. collect by-- we also paying for items. >> let's start with this banner on the wall that has buck and breck on it. >> this was carried in the election of 1850 six by republicans who were protesting the democratic votes for the kansas-nebraska act which was in the unionelped keep together until the civil war. the kansas nebraska act was signed by new hampshire's on president franklin pierce. this is just one of the things you have. you also have physical things. >> interesting things, a wheelbarrow is one of them. tell us the significance. >> this was a campaign prop from

the election of 1876 between the samuel tilden and rutherford hayes. we think that bush and gore was the only election that was so tightly contested. in this election, samuel tilden got the popular vote but rutherford hayes got the electoral college vote, so it was a contentious election. is interesting that things like this make it to the presidential campaign. >> they reeled with in the parade somewhere. >> when it comes to the process of voting, we hear the popular -- ballot box. you have a physical ballot box, tell us about it and the significance. >> that dates to 1850. it was used in the town of text bill -- the excel notch -- dickvillenotch. odd had around 30 some

citizens voting, they would write their choice on a piece of paper and they would drop it in the box. >> these would make it back to a central location for counting? >> they would count it right there and reported immediately. more piece to show, a photograph. something called the town meeting. tech about this photograph but what it means also as the people's process in politics here. >> the new hampshire town meeting and new england town meeting are called by many people the purest form of democracy. that was a day each spring, generally in march, when the towns people together and they vote on town affairs and they approved the budget for the year. town meeting day is the date that the original new hampshire primary was held back in 1916, so double duty. they had town meetings and the primary on the same day. new england efficiency you would say. >> tell us a little bit about what these pieces mean to you.

what does it say about new hampshire? the think it underscores important role new hampshire plays in selecting the president. we are talking about collection pieces when it comes to presidential politics. thank you. >> thank you. host: that was concord, new hampshire. we are located in manchester, new hampshire. is gary lambert joining us, a bush campaign supporter, former new hampshire state senator. senator lambert, why you supporting jeb bush? guest: i think the main thing is i have spent 35 years in the marine corps and i am looking for commander-in-chief, someone who will keep our country safe, make us safer than we are right now and i think jeb bush is that man. host: why? tost: he has a great plan the beat isis, a great plan to take care of veterans. if you take a look at the field out there right now,

unfortunately, there are some folks who are do not think should be our commander-in-chief and i think jeb bush is the man to do the job right. host: jeb bush is in fifth place. according to the most recent poll, is support when from 6% to 10%. is this place good enough? guest: it depends what point you take a look at. i just saw one, i think harper in second hasn't place in new hampshire, so -- it has him in second place in new hampshire, so i think you would do quite well and i think momentum will pick up across the country. ast: gary lambert served deputy legal counsel and acting chief counsel to the commanding general of the multinational force in iraq. he served in the marine corps for over 35 years, retired in 2014 as the kernel. he was awarded the bronze star for his iraqi service. what about some of the other

candidates? are there any republican candidates you would not support? guest: i would support all of them, they are all better than hillary clinton a bernie sanders. i watched the debate last night and it was a debacle. i cannot imagine either one as commander-in-chief. within the field right now, i think jeb bush is the most qualified to lead. ofe of the comments by some the candidates, even though i will support whoever is the nominee, that we have one candidate talking about bombing out of people, that is not the kind of person i look for in a commander-in-chief and i don't think it is the kind of person the people of america are looking for. host: who are the people supporting jeb bush? guest: he has got 12 medal of honor winners -- i cannot believe i even said that, 12 medal of honor recipients, 39 flag and general offices, and i think the most impressive ad out

there right now, if you take a look, before medal of honor recipients talking about how they looked at the field, they have done their homework, they have read, watched and they have settled on jeb bush. i think that says a lot. i don't think there is any other candidate out there that has the kind of support from that level of veterans and heroes that we have had. host: there is a new ad that will be starting to air in south carolina. we want to show it to you right now and ask you why isn't this area new hampshire? >> the first job of the president is to protect america. our next president must be prepared to lead. i know jeb. i know his good heart and strong backbone. jebel unite -- jeb will unite our country, and he knows when tough measures must be taken. experience and judgment count for the oval office. jeb bush is a leader who will keep our country safe. bush, right to rise usa

is responsible for the content of this message. host: george w doing in ad, why can't that aaron new hampshire? -- why can't that air in new hampshire? guest: i have no idea. i was a fan of his brother, his father and i served in iraq under his brother. you can see what you want about the two bushes, but during desert storm and during the i believe weraq, had over 100 countries and desert storm, and bush 41 was able to put together that coalition. when we went to iraq, i was there with over 60 countries participating and you can say what you want about jeb bush and the bush family, but those folks, those presidents know how to put the coalition together. host: barbara bush was in town last night. did you go to that event?

to meeto, i wasn't able that. i'm sure she did fantastic job as she always has. i have seen her in action before. i'm sure she was wonderful. served one term as a new hampshire state senator. why just one term? itst: one term only because is a long story, but i was retired from the marine corps and unfortunately, broglie, and i got -- wrongfully and i got back into the marine corps and soothe the secretary of navy to , so it was a choice between state senate were going back to inactive status in the marine corps reserves and that was a no-brainer for me. the only reason i got out after 35 years was because it was my time. that is why i did not run for a second term. 2013, c-span 29, did in the to be with barbara bush. here's what she had to say. >> i think this is a great

american country, great country. if we cannot find more than two or three families to run for high office, that is silly there are great eligible people to run. the kennedys, , there are more families than that and i'm not arrogant enough to think we alone are raising, but we are raising public servants, whether they are feeding the poor like , or barbara who is bringing global health to the pierce working for big but therebig sisters,

are a lot of ways to serve and being president is not the only one. i would hope that someone else would run, although, the question -- there is no question in my mind that jeb is the most qualified person to run for president. i hope you won't because you will get all my enemies, all his brother's, and there are other families. i refuse to accept that this great country isn't raising other wonderful people. host: gary lambert? hey, maybe barbara bush should run for president. issue a class act or what? talk about humility. -- is she a class act or what? talk about humility. she is like, we do not need to be the dynasty, we are servants, etc. that is why jeb bush should be the president. he comes from that kind of stock. moms are going to be moms. i think she was just speaking

out of humility and what a wonderful lady. apparently, she has changed her mind. jeb bush certainly wants to run, so moms will say what mom say. host: let's take some calls. audrey is calling from portsmouth, new hampshire, democrat line. we are talking with gary lambert. caller: hi, peter and mr. lambert. i have been a supporter of bernie for 30 years. i followed him in the house, the senate, and i'm going to vote for him. what bothers me is that everybody is talking about the evangelicals but nobody is talking about the fact that bertie is jewish, and i am -- and bernie sanders is jewish and i am jewish. i am very proud of that. host: any response?

guest: my only response is that bernie sanders sounds like and is a very nice person. his socialist agenda, regardless of whatever religion, that has nothing to do with it, it will not work for america and america will not buy it. while he may be a principled and nice man, he is not the person to lead the country. host: sarah, fort lauderdale, florida, republican. yes, that is a fine family. it really is. george bush was really not presidential material. he is kind of a funny guy, but his dad is a wonderful man. the trouble is, by default, the people who started that you american century, you can look it up online, they had already decided to go after saddam hussein long before the towers

came down. for the president to take the called fastball or something like that, a drunkard, i don't quite buy that. toelieve what they have done us with that war, killing 4000 of our boys and wounding so many others with pst and all they have to go through, i cannot revisit seeing george bush's brother always in the limelight, too, just too much. we need a fresh start. by the way, i don't think bush would have done this without , cheney is theey one who really got this going. when i heard the direct quote that bush said to a national security agency, bring me and they on iraq,

said, we don't have any connection between saddam and the bombing, and he said, find something. host: sarah, quickly before we get an answer, so you would not vote for jeb bush for president even though you like to miss governor? guest: i liked him very much, but his brother has left too many people have died for no reason. the people in iraq and the fact that someone like this ted cruz talking about carpet bombing -- host: i understand. so, he would not support jeb bush, correct? guest: -- caller: no. host: for that reason. ok, thank you. gary lambert, your response? guest: hindsight is 2020. i had the pleasure and honor of serving under both president bush, 41 and 43, in uniform. george w. bush certainly, when i was in iraq, i thought he was a

great leader, a great commander-in-chief. did everything go perfect? no. 2005 in iraq from 2004 to and things were not going perfect. he made the call that he believed had to be made at the time and history will decide how that comes out. host: michael, fairfax, virginia, independent. michael? for your service. i am a navy veteran and i served under president bush. guest: thank you it very much. caller: thank you. i just wanted to let you know that i am a jeb bush supporter as well, but i don't really think he is going to make it. and unfortunate that donald trump is doing a lot of damage to republicans right now. bush has sustained some of the damage. i wanted to get an idea if jeb

bush doesn't make it, who would you support? thank you. guest: thank you and ui for your service. for those of you who do not know the peopley are of who take care of us in the marine corps and i want to think that for his service. i think you would see things differently in new hampshire. jeb bush is doing well, one town hall after another. i think he is going to do quite well here. i am not going to guess about who comes next for me. right now, if he is in, i believe he will be the president and i am with them until that happens. host: as you know, gary lambert, donald trump has characterized governor bush as little energy. yes, well, i guess he is not spent the kind of time with him that i have.

i have had breakfast with him, gone to town halls, you have to watch this man in action. he is a leader and he shows he is the leader. himndly, if you followed for a while, listen to all the questions he gets asked about various issues. china, the middle east, isis, etc., he has great political lancers. he does not give an answer like, unfortunately, mr. chop makes, i will figure it out when i get there. you don't figure out things when you get to be the president. you have to know what you had to know before you get to the office and you don't wait to get there to learn. we have that right now with the president. we elected a president that did not have the experience necessary to leave the country and the quickly have got. unfortunately, things are pretty bad. texas,ewel is in plano, advocat line. texas, is in plano,

democrat line. caller: good morning. after world war ii, after we were attacked by japan, millions of america went to war, whether , thes the president kennedys, when the war started, george w. bush put the national guard in place. we took kids who cannot pass the test. where was jeb bush? where was marco rubio? where was santorum? where was carson? none of these guys would ever fight for this country. where is jeb bush's boys? they should be protecting. none of them, they could've gone to the national guard. we had congressmen give up their

seats to fight that war. after 9/11, the worst attack, where were these men? i don't want to see my grandchildren fight for these dies. i would not allow it. i would tell them off. when you go to war today, it is fighting for the millionaires and billionaires of this country. not for the working class because the working class has got to do the fighting and not these turkeys. jeb bush is not much better and tromp was not that much better either. -- and his brother was not that much better either. that man took this country down a trail that is killing hundreds and thousands of innocent women and children over there, and you wonder if someone isn't pissed off over there? give me a break, thank you. joel, you are

justifiably upset. served, ae population small group and all volunteer force and i like it that way. i don't think we should be drafting. i understand what you mean. actually, there is only one veteran in the race and most people don't know who he is and that is governor gilmore. we have to take a look at the field right now. served.. bush he was in the texas air national guard and the all about president bush 41 and his heroic acts in the pacific theater. way it is is the right now. most people are not serving. there is none except gilmore right now, so you have a choice. you are calling in on the democratic line, same for the democratic side. hillary clinton and bernie

sanders did not even come close to serving. it is what it is. clifton, new in jersey, independent line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i would like to ask, how do you feel about the candidates such as ted cruz changing his name to be more collectible? his real name is rock feel edward -- rafael edward. thank you. guest: i guess you can do whatever you want. i am supporting jeb bush. i suppose if some other candidate once the changes name, it is america and i'm all for people doing whatever they want to do, as long as they don't hurt anybody else. host: gary member, lindsey graham has been out campaigning gary lambert,- lindsey graham has been out campaigning for jeb bush who is very good friends with john mccain and popular in new

hampshire. is there any chance john mccain might be coming up to new hampshire this weekend? guest: i don't know. i personally like senator graham a lot and i wish he had stayed chairman for the campaign. when senator graham decided to endorse senator bush, that was very persuasive to me in making me join the bush team. , hisue senator graham opinion a lot of governor bush. i was at the town hall the other day and graham was there with governor bush and governor bush tos he calls senator graham ask him about the middle east and isis. there are two opposing candidates that were able to talk to each other and senator graham gave him great advice. that is why i am on jeb bush's

team because he can surround himself with great people who know what they are talking about and they will bring this country he will move the country forward in the right direction. host: that is for new hampshire voters. we want to hear from new hampshire voters. jeff, frederick, maryland. republican, good morning. caller: good morning. good. lambert, i really appreciate your service. could you please explain exactly in what capacity you are ever they are in iraq echoed -- correct? guest: absolutely. over there, i was called the deputy staff director. the best way to put that, i was the number two military lawyer over there. level led byghest

general casey. for a time, i was part of the act against a ja. -- id the responsibility believe in july 2004, the company had begin a back to the iraqis. our job was to come in and help them put the country together. that is what we did. that is what i did. i have to tell you, it was the most fulfilling and satisfactory job i have ever had. i really enjoyed it. we made a difference over there for the better. i was honored to serve. are you from new hampshire? guest: no. host: charlotte, florida. democrat. caller: good morning. happy new year. c-span is doing a fabulous job for us. yesterday, i had the opportunity of seeing the national prayer

breakfast with president obama giving his last speech. this gentleman, mr. lambert is not been a good surrogate for jeb bush. he is reflecting the idea that jeb bush is not doing well. jeb bush in the bush family have been a long family in this country who have been involved in our political arena. is with the woman in florida who was earlier stated carried out an agenda in florida that we are having to live with, where he bought a political agenda that was without an educational system. taking money out of the public school district budget. all on the context that they will give a choice. the whole context of this is really to give a private school voucher to families who have

propertyen against taxes. they should not be the revenue source for our schools. when elders retire, you have a fixed income. then, you do not have the continual of income that continues to pay for a budget that will have to naturally increase. host: did you see the events we covered here? it was quite forcefully about that program. we have the florist teachers education association trying to drop the suit. they want to drop it. caller: i am an active in mission. host: what does that mean? caller: a professor. host: do you have any comment for that color?

-- caller? guest: he is talked about it. topman, it was the priority. he went out and visited schools. found out what was right and wrong. he would watch kids and families to get the best education possible. that is what he did. his record speaks very clearly to what he did. i know you people are on c-span. he is out on the trail talking about it. i'll have to disagree with the caller. host: the republican from new hampshire is curtis. where is san burton? 25 minutes from concord. the state goes right through it. host: how long have you been living there? do you attend a lot of events? caller: not hardly anymore.

i have volunteered since 1951. i am also a veteran. i am a conservative more than a republican. i have not had a government job for 35 years, i have work hard and was wounded. i'm a veteran. i'm grateful for the service. summary retirees complain about socialism while getting a government check. host: what is it about bernie sanders that you like echoed -- like? we have to regulate the market, i know a lot of my neighbors are very conservative.

i know a man who said he would vote for certain -- bernie sanders because of what he has done for veterans. he and john mccain have done the most. host: do you have a response to that deco -- that? respect, whyll due don't you go tell the soldiers marines, sailors over in afghanistan that they have a government job. unfortunately, one of the most ridiculous things i have heard. i would have paid the marine corps to be a marine. if they wanted to pay me that was fine. i was in the reserve. ido not get my pension until am 60.

have a law firm in nashua and boston. a lot of that was reserved time and active-duty time. i did it for love of my country. if the money was so good, we would have a greater percentage joining the military. most people do not even though somebody joint. i do not know how you can be a conservative and vote for bernie sanders. he is nowhere near conservative. unfortunately, i disagree with the man. host: carlos from virginia. democrat line. caller: good morning. a wild back, mr. lambert said

this free world will judge the bushes. day was closer back in the from when you had to wait for the -- information. office,ter obama leaves his legacy will be on the front page of what he did and did not do. another thing, getting back to this government job of being in the military. not everyone gets into the military to fight. good blipyou do get a now and days from being in the military. is notat i was told, it bad. you do not have to fight to get a good pension. thank you for c-span. host: thank you. mr. lambert. guest: thank you. -- we haverst time two people talking about how the military is a government job. i've never heard of that before.

it is annoying. as far as a good living, what onto tracing way lance corporal makes. a young 19-year-old, some of these families can qualify for food stamps. is that a good living? be done foreds to the military. this president is not doing it. the reason why support jeb bush is that he will make it better. he did that in florida. i'm not asking folks to take a look at jeb bush and vote for him just because you might do something good. take a look at what he did for veterans in florida. homes,mptions, veterans free college. free state college tuition for those children of veterans who received the purple heart and a higher award. a, we want to take a look at person who has done something for veterans. who will do something for the military. look at jeb bush. cannot see any other candidates. as you know, if you are c-span

regularly, we were in iowa. we were up in new hampshire. every day, many of them are alive on our network. host: currently, right now on c-span, if you're interested, carly fiorina is speaking. this is live coverage of run c-span2 this morning. we will be going to bernie sanders. that will be a live event as well. c-span2, carly fiorina. right now, we're talking with gary lambert. former state senator. from jeb bush. republican, you are on the air. caller: yes. i am for donald trump all the way. i listened to him years ago. he talked about how our country was going down. he said i do not want to run, if i have to, i will. they asked to he is.

they said we do not need another bush in the white house. bernie sanders seems like he is promising everything, he going to raise taxes. i do not have people can vote for somebody that will raise taxes even higher than they are. do not need another bush in the white house, she said. what is your response? guest: can you please take a look at jeb bush, just the man. for a moment, just make-believe if you want to that you do not know about his brother and his father being president. if you took a look at the man, i think he would do much better if he do not have this dynasty. i hear a lot of people talking about that. if you take a look at jeb bush himself, and what he has done in florida, and the life he leads.

his leadership capabilities and , it isnces that he has unfortunate that you would label him that way. there is no comparison here. donald trump talks about arming people. jeb bush is going to detail plans. jeff 2016.com. you will see a detailed plan on how to defeat isis. how to deal with the middle east. i have not heard that from donald trump. i have not seen it or read it. unfortunately, donald trump expects us to believe that he will be able to do it. he things we can get it done when we get there. that is not enough for me. host: jeb bush has raised a lot he has a lot of super pac's supporting him. he is still at fifth place in the holes. why do you think that is? do you think the campaign could have been more effective?

it on where you look at it. they are focused on new hampshire. they have been quite well here. he is a number two spot. i think that is pretty well. it is a very crowded field we have. more people will drop out. what we call of establishment candidates. i think that as we see these establishment candidates drop out after florida, you'll see those folks with those candidates doing the jeb bush thing. notwhat you want, it has been a politics myself. unfortunately, that is what gets you on the air. gets immediate attention. that. has host: let's hear from another new hampshire and voter. this is bill, democrat line.

you are on the washington journal. caller: thank you. the reason i am calling them i have to set the record straight on military service of george w. bush. first of all, i'm a combat marine. i was a combat radio operator attached to the third battalion of the it not. one of the most decorated regiments in the vietnam war. we produced 11 medal of honor recipients. w joined the texas air national guard. he joined the texas air national guard or there is no such thing as going to war. he had a safe place until was hot and heavy. then, they wanted fighter pilots from everywhere. what did he do? he failed to show up for his medical. it lost in his flight status. he went awol for a year.

he was found a year later working on a political campaign. instead of being dishonorably , he was given an honorable discharge. whenso mad at john kerry, he was attacking john kerry's military service, a purple heart recipient who actually bled for this country, george w. bush had the nerve to try to smear him. host: think of the point. guest: gary lambert, final,? bush,is talking about jeb he is running for president. other bush he was talking about is not. let's focus on going forward with to the best man is. who will keep the country safe. that is jeb bush. host: gary lambert, former new hampshire state senator. member of the marine corps. thank you for staying with us. host: up next, a supporter of

senator bernie sanders. this is bird calling. he also has a podcast and is still very active in new hampshire politics. we will talk with him in a minute. that is after we learn more about the president who was the nations 14th president and native son of new hampshire. >> we're joined by peter wallner. tell us why you are interested in franklin pierce. cracks when i was a seventh grader, the textbook i was using had a thumbnail used with the president's and the back. i thought franklin pierce was the only normal looking president. there was nothing the textbook about him. i decided to research that. >> have a portrait here. tell us what people know about him. guest: you can see that he was

probably the best looking president. for theost famous kansas-nebraska bill. he supported. pierce supported it. it repealed the missouri compromise line. as a result of supporting the clinical system is fine. because of that him he lost a lot of support by supporting the bill. even at the society, there's the actual pen used in the signing of the bill. talk about the aftereffects of him signing the bill. you mentioned that he was particularly not approved in the north. ranked the once candida nebraska bill as one of the most important pieces of legislation. factors that led

directly to the civil war, what happened in the north was that slavery became a moral issue. the idea that the missouri compromise which they thought closed off slavery north of that line forever had been repealed come in upset many people in north. as a result, franklin pierce was not renominated. the only democratic president cannot be nominated after serving a term. host: before we talk about other things, the case that shows the panel, what is the significance of his military presence? guest: he served as a general in the mexican war. pierce was a political general. president polk nominated a bunch of democrats to be generals at the time. the only leading general with zachary taylor were both whigs. it showed pierce to be a general. he did a good job. he was one of the best of the volunteer generals.

host: you talked about his role in slavery. tell us more about him. something people might not know. he improved trade quite a little bit. he was trading in canada. he stood up against great britain and moved it into central america which helped turn panama into the can now. -- into the panama canal. he did a lot of good things as president. he was very hard-working and charismatic. he's very popular in and around washington. unfortunately, he is ranked as a very low president because of that bill. host: peter wallner is a historian focusing on franklin pierce. thank you. ist: the historical museum located in concord new hampshire. of operations is

located just south of there in manchester. joining us now is former new hampshire senator byrd cohen. he is a bernie sanders supporter. senator cowan, why do you support bernie sanders? i think we need to win. 44% of the voters are independents. 44 across america. i like a lot of a bernie sanders has to say. was an early enthusiast of bernie sanders. even before he decided to run. he has authenticity. i think he is talking about things that people really care about. there is a big trust factor. he is someone you can trust. speaking with the former person who was a former governor with bernie on issues. i think that is extremely

important. we need to be able to trust people. there are some a different reasons. he is somebody different issues. he is talking about issues that people really care about and addressing the issues. we need a real change. not more the same. people want more the same old same old, you can have bush and clinton. we did not need any more bush or clinton. when he something different. when is something that will work for america's best interest. there are so many opportunities. i'm an optimist. to be a progressive democrat in new hampshire i have to be an optimist. we have a lot of good things done. i think bernie has that same sense of a future you can believe in. that is what it is about. a future you can believe in. honesty and trustworthiness. taking on real issues. framing things differently than they have been before. i know you have a lot of questions. host: what is your role in the

sanders campaign? guest: i'm on the sitting committee. i was on really early. i was a delegate recently elected to the national convention. i'm looking forward to that and holding strong to bernie. i'm trying to convince people wherever i go just helping out with the campaign as much as i possibly can. doing letters to the editor and things like that. host: when you said you were elected as a delegate, could you very quickly explain how you were elected. guest: it is sort of a complicated process. i expect it is a lot less complicated than the iowa caucus system. each candidate come all three of time have meetings

in various districts. certain number of delegates get elected. it was a fairly large crowd. each person that wanted to be a delicate, -- delegate, there were four men and for women. we had quite a few speakers. they were appealing for votes. was one of the ones that got elected. with my political experience in my age, somebody referred to me as the silent delegation. the last time i was a delegate was in 1992. i was selected for seven terms. the party has not always warmed up to me. i'm not so much a down party person. how theeen interesting --ablishment of the party

they have wanted to clear the field for hillary clinton. and has not quite work that way. we are a democracy here and people really care about that. have been working for a guy that can really win and i want to speak to issues that will help connect people, and have their trust and know that you have real integrity. host: senator, here is an article from the hill newspaper. the establishment starts to gang up on sanders. the senator is campaigning for secretary clinton. bernie sanders has a 61-30 lead in the nation. guest: i do not expect that number to be the final. i think there are people in the establishment. the clinton campaign who are trying to raise expectations. they want them to be higher than it possibly can so that they can call their candidate the comeback kid. actually one.

-- was the winner. it has been amazing. who, well iperson think they're still on the democratic national committee who likened bernie sanders and his supporters to an animal in the house that has messed up the house. i'm not kidding. sanders was called by this person a guest in our house. i do not think that is accurate. a lot of this is who are we as democrats? the 1990'sed in under the clintons. there was deregulation of the banks. the banks got a lot more power. look at what happened after that. the economy nearly fell the part. the democratic leadership committee that came out of the 90's, that was a radical change to the identity of the democratic party.

not a good change. they figured well, we have to race so much money, let's just go to where the big money is. the corporations and the financial houses. they went that way. the democratic leadership council. that is a identity of the party of the clinton machine. it is one machine. back onally turning its who we are as democrats. who is for the good of the people? we have always set up for working people and a strong middle class. it raised a lot of money. that is not the way to go. we have been getting up very much. have a podcast that everybody can watch. we keeping democracy live.com. i was talking, with a princeton history professor about what he called the war of bernie sanders.

it is very aggressive. it is like how dare you run. we have the sets for hillary clinton. she was supposed to be the only one. it is her turn. that is absurd. it is nobody's turn. people are who decides who gets the job. we all need to be together in the final analysis. need to be people who inspires people. i believe in civil liberties.

if some radical extremist like ted cruz were to win and take away our rights, that is unacceptable. host: i'm going to stepping here at this point so that we can get to our collars. he served in the state senate from 1990 until 2004. he was involved in the 70's made a protest. at one point he traveled through nicaragua. my friend, let's go to some calls. bob is in pittsburgh. you're on with bernie sanders supporter. caller: hello. first, want to say i was a kennedy democrat. that did not work out so voted for reagan. reagan is a kennedy democrat. as far as bernie sanders and hillary clinton, clever votes for them should donate their brain to science. science would give it back.

makes no that you and bernie sanders are. i know how corrupt clinton is. you can take it from there and spin it. guest: i cannot spin that. i can as to the truth. his foreign economic policy was not so good. we need to respect other people is veryd counterproductive. when the world respects us, we get better trade policies. it helps our economy.

it has no -- it has worked particularly well. it seems to me, i was surprised at the debate i attended recently on hillary clinton spoke. by what hot she is. in these wars, actual people are dying. brothers and sisters losing their lives and limbs. iraq was a terrible mistake. it was a foreign-policy disaster. hillary clinton voted for it. she made a huge mess of libya. completely out of control. people did not know about her involvement in honduras. the governor was elected by the people. he was barely left of center.

she enabled and pushed president obama with what destroy democracy. that is my podcast, keeping democracy live. host: three good examples. let me go to gerald. as go to new york. democrat line. caller: ima burning supporters fan. i would like to have someone else put out information on how to get in touch with his campaign. i sent a letter and a check to his washington office. i do not know if that will get to him or not. let's see what the senator has to advise you. caller: -- guest: go to bernie sanders.com.

in washington, that was the u.s. senate office. it is very different. they have to be. the chances are someone wanted to send a check and send it to sanders for president, guest: vermont, it would get there. guest:yes. host: beth calling in from new hampshire. north of where you are in manchester. who do you support? caller: i'd have no support bernie sanders. because finally, somebody speaks to my concerns about where this country is heading. , people like me or never listened to. i'm a working class -- truthfully, my husband

and i can barely make ends meet. we have worked their whole lives. we are not doing better than our parents. we are doing a lot worse. finally, we have somebody who says that the situation is not right. may, she speaks to so much power that i hear from people. when the tea party first came think a lot of i that was similar. it was definitely a different direction. haveeelings that people about why they are angry. it is fairly legitimate anger. this is supposed to be a government of, by, and for the people. we have a war of independence in to free us from an oligarchy. that is what happened.

i think people care about that. it is the patriotic american spirit to have real democracy. awful lot of people share her feelings. this is not our government. it is held captive by the greedy people. it is no problem to be wealthy. called theething common good. that is what our founders talked about, we need a common good. we need something that helps everybody. bernie sanders speak to that. that is why he residence was so me people. there are a lot of people in these difficult situations. we have a rigged economy. bernie sanders talks about that. , other said we had socialism in america.

socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor. i grabbed the 1950's. that socialist republican dwight eisenhower was president. we had a large middle class. a large solid middle-class. i want to give back to that. thomas jefferson talked about how we have to get an educated middle class. what we need in order to have a democracy. right now, it is like the gilded age in the 1890's. there are a few people with tremendous amounts of money and power. that has to change. the other candidate for president is not tight not that at all. i suppose this is a good thing. bernie sanders has been talking about that for a long time. this is what people talk about. this is why think he can win in the general election. he is much stronger in the general election and the other

candidates. host: here is a bit from last night's debate. i want to get your reaction. >> senator sanders said he wants to run a positive campaign. i have tried to keep my disagreements over the issues as it should be. time and time again, by innuendo, by insinuation, there is an attack that he is putting forth. anybody whoever took donations or speaking fees from any interest group has to be bought. i reject that. i do not think these kinds of attacks by insinuation are worthy of you. enough is enough. if you have something to say, say it directly. that i ever find change a view or a vote because of any donation that i ever received.

i stood up and represented my constituents to the best of my ability. i'm very proud of that. i think it is time to end the artful smatter you have been carrying out in recent weeks. let's talk about the issues. host: senator cowan, artful smear. guest: i hope that people watching that watched it as i did. crowdlly everybody in the booed loudly when she said that. that was outrageous. she has been attacking bernie sanders from day one. fromis the old saying condi, first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then --y fight you, then you put you win. it is hard to do that against bernie sanders.

i don't even think she believed what she said. clearly somebody handled her told her to say those words. everybody in the audience booed her. it is like desperation. let's face the fact. what happened in the 90's. the clintons deregulated the banks because they got a lot of money. the power of the banks over congress. she never talks about that. the power of the money over our democracy is obscene. what happened is that the laws changed. pharmaceuticals can charge a lot more money. why? they have big lobbies. she gets $675,000 from goldman sachs. her that moneyy to hear an incredible gem of wisdom.

they knew what they were doing. they invested in her. i do not know how dumb she thinks people are. host: senator clinton is is in flint michigan. we are getting a call from ohio. dave, you are on. caller: good morning. i am from ohio. i am a little guy. i am going to vote for bernie sanders. bernie sanders impressed me with his debate last night. with his politician tricks she was using. she was trying to downplay him. i am sorry, he is for the people, with the people i'm sorry, i am a republican going over to him. i'm going to vote for that man.

i will campaign for that man. i am spending money for him. he did not get those kinds of contributions. thingried to bring up the with a fund, like you said, it is inadequate. thank you for calling in. heard so many republicans who are lifelong republicans from the midwest. he is voting for bernie sanders. let me get some water. i know marco rubio did the same thing. host: we will take another call. we go to hank and south carolina. yes.r:

yes, i'm a veteran. i want to keep up with all the committee members. thank you very much for that. one bernie sanders is running all the senate committees, it seemed to me that he was very to what was going on in phoenix. at times, it seems to me that he was siding with the employees and the union's of the veterans hospitals over the veterans. that offended me very much. i thank you. if you go back, you probably have a hearing on file. the: you can watch all of previous hearings on c-span at c-span.org. burt cohen, when it comes to

veterans bernie sanders service. guest: he has tremendous support from veterans. members of the dav the vfw. veterans know that bernie sanders has been a champion for them. i do not know about this particular situation. good luck with that. he has stood up for veterans. i think that donald trump hurt himself. we keep waiting for him to faulty force. when he used veterans, he exploited her i think that is despicable. said veterans deserve the best care. the fact that we have to organizations, private organizations fundraising for veterans -- if we spent hundreds of billions of dollars on that go to serve

the profits of the contractors but are not used to come to do care of our veterans. we need to take care of a veterans who risked their lives. it should be a bigger part of our budget. we have to take care of our veterans. they should not have to go begging for money. this should be part of our democratic process. we need to serve our veterans. we are inadequate in that. that is one reason why they are strong. will you be at the party dinner tonight? guest: i will be there. host: tom from new jersey. hello. caller: good morning. i enjoyed listening to him.

he is hitting the nail on the head. also, in 1896, william james bryant was a first progressive. he talked about the cost of gold. now, it is made out of plastic. that is the bank. interesting. caller: it is true. host: thank you. -- dollars colors talk about how they are thinking of bernie sanders or donald trump. what does that tell you? guest: they are very different.

one is all bluster. he is angry. he uses improper language. he is a celebrity. he loves to be a star. he has legitimate anger. bernie will do something with that. i love history. i've looked at popular is him. it has been with us since shay's rebellion in 1770. it is about who the government works for. the anger that has been. of people who gravitate to trump do so because they do not want more of the same. i thought it was amusing when the other democrats said she is not the establishment. if people want more of the establishment, she is in. right,than left and

top, likes about the we used to have, and everybody else. it is top and bottom, not left and right. that is working bernie has tremendous strength. issues ofing about who owns our government. who has the power. we have way too much of an aristocracy now. we have a government for the richest people. that is top and everybody else. the middle class has largely been decimated. we had a lot of social programs. i would like to see that again. host: richard in arkansas.

hello. i would like to ask my questions. if thisone, was a democracy there would be no obama care and gays when not be getting married. number two, people keep asking about how you representatives become wealthy. you get in and get on this and that committee. if you're not making enough and march on out the taxpayer dole and make up a new committee. the question is, doesn't it be out there -- could you have a

show with somebody that knows how many committees and subcommittees actually exist? host: thank you. what a great information idea. guest: to this policy point on being a democracy. representatives getting wealthy off government service. i disagree. i think we have more of a democracy. yes, we are a republic. republic of the people. have a republic or an oligarchy. you cannot have both. i would like to see our republicans reestablished. people are angry about it.

you talk about money. has gotten six and a $75,000. the big banks support her. the corporations and wall street different a lot of money. bernie sanders lives modestly. he is not wealthy. he is in it for the common good. , he uses that is clear his hands a lot. he talks loudly. that is because he is passionate. he is passionate about the issue. when people see bernie sanders, they can see he is sincere. candidates may be passionate for their own future and prospects. that is not bernie sanders.

it is not about himself. it is about the issue. him since he was the mayor. he has a lot of republican support. clinton said bernie is doing well in new hampshire because it is next to vermont. clinton. knew hillary 100%. huge organization. people who is bernie sanders deco only 2% would know. that is not true. people do not know who the vermont senator is. that is a bad argument. people hear him. when people hear hillary clinton , bernie sanders goes up.

he is a tough race, a steep hill to climb. the population of new hampshire is 1.3 million. the last competitive democratic primary in the state 287,000 people voted. bill, massachusetts. thank you for holding. caller: good morning. i wanted to congratulate c-span. having carly fiorina's town meeting live on c-span. it is the only way that maybe abc and the republican party get her on the stage. my only regret about this is the fact that greta was not the you for thehank

public service you perform. host: bill for massachusetts. thank you. pat is in iowa. independent line. ryu and i was past week echoed caller: no. i'm not crazy. host: go ahead and make your comment. caller: i just want to make a statement. the democrats should ugly for clinton to be the first female president. and handle the foreign policies. sanders is vice president with him in charge of domestic policies. campaigning and start looking for all of the votes to crush republicans. host: thank you. is that feasible? guest: no.

it either be hillary clinton or bernie sanders. , should summon haven't had the convention. anything can happen. people lining up with hillary, they can do it they want. especially after a first ballot. i liked what a republican had to say. john kasich when he said that for him, the party is not the master. the parties a vehicle. be. is how it should it bernie sanders said he was to change the party and make it serve more people. it has been a long struggle. i was a big fan of paul wellstone. his plane crashed. he always talked about he was from the democratic wing of the democratic party.

that is bernie sanders. that is a kind of message we need to get out. franklin roosevelt was one of the greatest presidents. bernie sanders is in that tradition. he is not in the corporate establishment. he works for the good of the people. his planesaid mysteriously crashed. why do you say that? guest: it crashed. i do not want to get into that. there were issues about electromagnetic pulses. that is a separate issue. he died. he and his wife died. it was a terrible tragedy. a beautiful day. no weather problems. there are questions. he was a great man.

he was the kind of democrat we need. host: joseph from delaware. go ahead. caller: ok. i want to know how bernie rid of the $19t trillion debt we are in. i look at the country is a business. we have free capitalism and trade. you don't invest in a company that is going broke under obama, the country is going broke. i would not cash a check with the united states on. i want to see some identification. guest: that is an interesting perspective. we have always had deficit spending. to rent a business, you have to

invest. you do it carefully. judgment matters a lot. we have been investing our money very foolishly. we have a tax structure that rewards companies shipping jobs overseas. that makes no sense. what bernie is talking about, it will cost a lot of money. there is a tremendous amount of money out there. we need to tax when the banks invest. when he to text that. with a large financial transaction, he is talking about a miniscule tax. to be a $20 tax. as you do your family budget, shows your judgment.

what you do and do not spend your money on. if you want to keep it, you need to keep your candidate. we need new priorities that serve the common good. we need to promote real freedom. people are tied into jobs they cannot stand. terrible jobs. spend need to be able to time with their families. it can be done. he has looked at places where it can work. is a question of repair ties and where invest. host: brian from massachusetts. go ahead. thank you. abouthen, i was wondering the support and vermont by the nra and his stand on second amendment rights. whether you think it is a liability. whether it is a positive thing.

attackcome under some i'm wondering, could you comment .n what you think the stand is host: yes. guest: i care a lot about gun safety. when i was in the new hampshire state senate, i was the number one target. because i was for safe storage. requiring safe storage. a safed to require storage. they are angry at bernie sanders two. he does not get a good grade with them. his position on the second amendment. he is strong for the second amendment. it is part of our constitution. it was to recognize that certain

areas of the country are different than other areas. not a lot ofe is gun control and vermont. it is a very peaceful place. a very rural state. you get difficult areas. he knows needs to have tight laws regarding closing the gun show loophole. he is sensible in this. his position is not only the right position. i think that politically it'll resonate with a lot more people than high in the sky super control everywhere, putting the gun manufacturers, making them liable. if the gun is faulty, they can be sued. , i do not see what the problem is. if they are enabling guns to go where they should not go but if they are allowing them to get

into the wrong hands, of course, they have to take responsibility. the moment popgun store, no. that allow a lot of guns to go to certain purchases. that, you have to crack down on. we need to protect our traditional freedoms. he is host of a weekly show called "keep democracy live." paul in danville virginia, we have about 30 seconds. : there are a whole bunch of things. the biggest reason people are voting for trump is because he is not politically correct. bernie sanders, majority