morph into stage photo ops and the that things that come with the rigors of townhall meetings what be replaced with big-time act rallies built on flash over substance. voters also seem to know when it's time to get down to business. >> new hampshire voters are coming out because they are doing a civic duty. they are trying to ask the tough questions and that's good for the american process, the other 49 states. >> to really understand new hampshire's role, we need to go back to what harry reid said. obviously, no one has ever been sworn in right after winning the new hampshire primary and history shows it's no lock to the white house. >> remind everyone politics isn't a game. >> new hampshire does do is prepare candidates to make their case to the rest of the country. >> he made it clear that at this

moment in this election, there is something happening in america. >> there is no state like new hampshire. the people are educated and understand the importance of their vote and to have any other state be first in the nation would be a dramatic mistake. >> the race between the mainstream and the extreme. >> over the years, new hampshire has seen a lot, which brings us to experience and tradition. secretary of state bill gardner is fond of saying new hampshire's place in the process will always endure as long as the people have the will to keep it. tradition matters. >> there's a reason the kentucky derby is in kentucky. there is a reason why the rose bowl is where it is, what all kinds of different cultural events are where they are. that is the same reason that new hampshire has the primary.

it is here because it's a birth is here. >> we are joined by the new hampshire members of respective national parties, steve and kathy. it seems like the latest threat is coming out of the rnc. how real is this threat to our place in the process? >> is very real. up until about 10 or 20 years ago, the rnc sat back and let states a jockey and bill garner did a tremendous job threatening other states. 10 years ago, the parties started to wake up to the fact they have to control the nominating process. if they ever really decided to do so, they could say any state that holds a primary before outside of our approved calendar forfeits the right to be nominated.

i expect we will see that kind of proposal brought forward to our convention and we will do our best to defeat it. new hampshire isn't about picking the nominee, it's about giving that lesser-known candidate a real shot. >> kathy, obviously there are philosophical differences on the issues when it comes to parties that on this topic, how important is it? >> i always tell people when i first became party chair years ago, gregg came by my office and said your most important job is to keep the new hampshire primary first and that's coming from a former republican governor and he wanted to make it clear that that is very important and it does cross party lines. we need to work together as best we can to keep new hampshire first of the nation and to remind people we are not trying

to pick a president, what we are trying to do is make a level playing field so that all sorts of candidates can come into the state and present their positions, themselves to the people of new hampshire at this national party level. we have to convince our committees not to do something that would get in the way of new hampshire being the first in the nation primary. on the democratic side, about 10 years ago, we had some real threats toward new hampshire. people were saying it we enter diverse enough and what the dnc begin doing was having four states and having them go earlier to provide the diversity. >> this case is made and how important is it new hampshire, iowa are in lockstep.

>> on the republican side, it's three of those. acquire the party at reed's insistence. we all work together. we have to make our case. then it will carry over for another year and a half after that. when you are about two years out, it's too late. >> thank you. >> i will be there for you until the last dog dies. >> i think we finally have a poll without a margin of error. >> they are remembered as two of the most successful candidate in the new hampshire primary. a look at what set apart at the campaigns of john mccain and bill clinton. ♪

>> winners of new hampshire primaries past. on election night, the winners don't always have the most votes. >> bill clinton was in single digits in the polls and leading up to the primary. he finished second but did better than expected. he came downstairs and proclaimed himself the comeback kid. many people feel he was the one who won the primary. >> for more than half of its 100 year history, the new hampshire primary has been a watershed moments in presidential campaigns, by acting to narrow the field. some move on after strong

showings. those will underperform head home. david is a republican strategist involved in six presidential primary campaigns and says getting the most votes doesn't mean you have one. >> it's about perception and campaigns start to manipulate that perception. he witnessed part of the expectations game firsthand. >> i listened to frank. >> mcgovern convince the media he was the effective winner of the 1972 primary despite losing. mcgovern did go on to win. >> 20 years later, i decided i thought clinton should do the

same thing. >> i will never forget new hampshire. >> my recommendation that clinton come down and claim the same thing five minutes past eight. >> to this day, many people still remember clinton as the winner. kearney was in the middle of it. >> we have shown it can be done. >> he remembers it as the horrible night. more damaging for the exit polls, some of which showed bush barely leading. >> did would look close during the day and the reporters would say it's a great defeat for the president when in actuality, bush had one -- won. >> but the damage had been done.

it brought back memories of 1968 when eugene mccarthy of minnesota essentially ended the reelection hopes for lyndon b. johnson. mccarthy one by losing to johnson and new hampshire. >> one of the reasons i think there is tension between the political campaign and the media, it is a win but not big enough so you lost. >> candidates who spent tireless hours working here in new hampshire and really banked on success. turning back adam sexton talking about bill clinton and john mccain. >> the common thread uniting clinton and mccain, a relentless focus on new hampshire voters and what mattered most to them. >> the unthinkable had finally happened.

>> the whole state was devastated. >> nowhere is the situation worse than in new hampshire the question is when will thing stop getting worse. >> local coffee shop is offering out of work customers the recession special. >> they have over 150 resumes. >> they say one thing, it's like watch my lips. people are losing their homes. >> we were looking for survival, for somebody with answers. >> like john kennedy in 1960, bill clinton used nashua city hall us a place to kick off his new hampshire presidential campaign, breaking free from news crews to take his reclaim the american dream campaign theme to the streets. mr. clinton: i have been a governor in a state that has gone through good and bad in this country.

>> you never turned away from a person who never wanted -- he never turned away from a person who wanted to shake his hand. >> i was fairly young and naive in those days. this is not a good thing, being first place in the polls. >> i was bill clinton's lover for 12 years. >> have you ever had asked her marital affair -- an extramarital affair? >> i would not tell you. >> clinton talked about the letter he wrote in 1969. >> he signed a contract he did not honor. >> it was a very difficult time, culminating in probably the greatest speech ever given. >> i will give you this election back, and if you give it to me, i will not be like george bush. i'll never forget you gave me a

second chance. i will be here for you until the last dog dies. >> a new maybe we did not have to be first, we just needed to be in the hunt. >> the evening is young, and we don't know what the final tally will be. i think we know enough to say with some certainty that new hampshire tonight has made bill clinton the comeback kid. >> we were delirious. >> this was our candidate and we were going to stick with him. we stayed with him. ♪ >> there is nothing that can compare to the 1999-2000 john mccain presidential campaign. >> mccain's name is not well-known. those who know him describe mccain as a man of integrity who may not lead the pack now, but very well could in the end.

>> mccain at that point was probably 2% in the polls. governor bush had just swept the table with all of the republican activists and most of the elected officials. >> we got good crowds almost immediately at the vfw's. >> i run for president of the united states because i want to return our government back to whom it belongs, the people. >> ultimately, the signature event is the town hall meeting. >> town hall meetings have boosted john mccain from nowhere to running neck and neck with george w. bush in new hampshire. >> he never lost faith that he would win. >> the media says character isn't important. in new hampshire, we are different. we say character is very important, and you have it, and we want you.

>> mccain was 75% favorable and single-digit unfavorable. you just don't get something like that. it's supernatural. >> thank you. [applause] thank you very much. thank you very much. thank you and god bless and welcome to our 115th town hall meeting here in new hampshire. >> we started at 3% last july. governor bush was at 61%. people were willing to look at us and look at me and hear the message. win or lose the rest of this campaign, the greatest critical experience of my life is right

here in new hampshire. >> it was such a gradual increase. moving up in the polls 3% to 5% each month. he finished at 49%. there were no lows in that race and in 2007 and 2008, there were constant ups and downs. >> senator mccain says that was before 9/11, before the war, and before he supported the president's controversial escalation plan. >> he got so far off track as a candidate that he started to plummet in the polls. >> we went down to a one state strategy and laid off 300 staff. >> it took him almost to hit rock bottom before he -- john mccain's idea of saying, we

need to go back to basics, we need to stop campaigning everywhere except new hampshire. we need to make the curse -- case for the surge in iraq. >> senator john mccain almost blended in with the other passengers. >> four town hall meetings a day, which you might examine is exhausting. >> it worked. >> past the age when i can claim the noun "kid," no matter what adjective precedes it, but tonight we sure showed them what a comeback looks like. [applause] [inaudible]

>> a lot of people in new hampshire feel that way, we were involved in his campaign. >> new hampshire voters have been shaping presidential politics for 100 years. >> we went for the gold, and we want it. >> next, a look back at some of the iconic moments from the last century of the new hampshire primary. ♪ >> finally, the new hampshire primary has evolved from its early days into the influential progress we have come to value. over the years, there have been moment that have changed the course of campaigns, elections, and as a result, the history of

presidential politics. >> it was never planned to be this way. we got it sorted by default. >> new hampshire with general eisenhower as a presidential candidate is the arena for the most tightly contested race in history. >> the ballot just contain the names of those who wanted to be delegates. >> the role of the primary is to let people decide. there was an effort to democratize the process of selecting a president. >> attacking me, attacking my wife. he has proved himself to be a gutless coward. >> more people begin to learn about the new hampshire presidential primary.

[inaudible] >> new hampshire voters are cantankerous, independent, they make up their own minds, and they are also smart. >> anytime you want to applaud, just let it rip. a few of you are trying. keep it up. >> you have to be able to answer unstaged question in an unstaged place. >> new hampshire's role is to provide the broadest possible opportunity for the broadest range of candidates, to test their message.

>> we will reclaim our political system. >> a major new commitment to support environmental restoration. >> it is the sacred duty of the united states of america to defend freedom. >> i can't thank you enough for the dedication and love and concern you have shown for us. we are on our way because of you. >> i stand alone among all candidates. >> i want to be the president that reminds you of the guy that you work with, not the guy that laid you off. >> in the end, our future is tied to people. >> let's bring back america! god bless you, new hampshire! >> c-span's campaign 2016 is taking you on the road to the white house. live at 11:30 a.m. eastern, republican presidential candidate marco rubio hold a town hall meeting in bedford. and we will have republican candidate donald trump at an out

-- a rally at 1:00 p.m. eastern. library to the white house coverage tomorrow, here on c-span. election day is always exciting. begin with the washington journal, tuesday morning. we will show our viewers what is happening at polling places in a couple of key parts of the manchester area. since 1992, we have had a really good partnership with wmur in manchester, new hampshire. ace again, this year, we gave chance to really shine national audience how the race is unfolding through the eyes of the local media. will be different is that we will have the results and we will be showing the speeches, but we'll be showing the speeches in their entirety. are talking heads will be the viewers, as a year from our viewers, we take calls and really get a sense of what they are saying about this race. now, a discussion on some of

the issues important to new hampshire voters. from washington journal, this is 40 minutes. and now we're joined by arnie arneson, who is stepping away from her radio microphone did join us on television this morning. she is the host of the attitude with arnie arneson on wnhn. it was a year ago that a lesser-known senator named bernie sanders joined you at a home you own close to the state capital there to talk about possibly running for president. what was the expectations like in the room? we are showing a picture of the room that danley january. what really excitations like them for his candidacy? guest: i live in a house that is as being a house where president of candidates come. he was a powerful democrat, she was a powerful republican.

carter has slept in this house, bill clinton slept in this house, bob dole slept in this house. , who recently died, was a libertarian republican. the house has a history of presidential candidates coming in making their pitch. and then we find out whether they ultimately become president of the united states. i have known bernie sanders for 25 years, i did radio in white river junction, vermont. issueswas covering local -- political issues, he was the only congressman. so we have known each other for a long time. back in january of 2015, i get a phone call. , and hernie sanders says can i borrow the house? and i said are the house, why? he said i think i'm contemplating running for president. and i said two things -- i'm in the media, i don't endorse. second, of course you can borrow the house.

is is is always -- the house always open and available for president in waiting. i told him i would lift a finger, i would provide chairs and bottles of water, but that was it. 150 people show up. i'm like where did they come from? we were laughing. the room got really full. you know, nobody expected anything. so he goes on and he starts talking and talking and talking, and people are excited. the message you're hearing is pretty much the message you heard back then. but then i raise my hand, and i said you haven't answered the $64,000 question. party? because her member, he is an independent. saidok a breath, and he democrat. and it wasn't easy, i think, in

the beginning. but let me assure you, i smiled at him and said i have been a democrat my whole life. sometimes it's not easy for me, either. and that's how it started. did anyone think it would be like this today? andould have crowds of 7000 10,000? i was blown away by 150 people at my house. host: a year later, he's up to to one against hillary clinton in new hampshire. guest: i don't believe apple -- that poll. i know hillary clinton very well, i ran for congress, i was the first woman nominee for governor in state history. when i first rode running for governor, iowa such an interesting entity. bill and hillary clinton were third string democrats from arkansas, i committed bigger crowds than them, because we were they? -- because who were they?

i have known the clintons since 1991. let me just say two things. bill and hillary clinton have been around here for a long time. they have the best lists, they have all of the establishment behind them, they know where every voter is. they probably have people on the payroll who have been on the payroll since 1991, and other grandchildren are on the payroll. they really know the state, they know to work the state, they know the buttons to push, they know exactly where to pull the voters out. that is what hillary clinton has. but bernie has the passion. host: speaking of people who know the state, already arneson -- arnie arneson our guest. the phone numbers of you want to call and join us, republicans, call (202) 748-8001, democrats, call (202) 748-8000. independents, call (202) 748-8002, and we are giving a special line for new hampshire voters, (202) 748-8003.

we will get right to land in philadelphia, pennsylvania, and independence. guest: hey, linda. caller: how are you? guest: fine. caller: i have been watching the debates, this is what i think and how i feel. my head says bernie sanders. i will tell you why. we were always taught to vote with our heart, to go with her gut. man,e sanders is an older that i like his views when it comes to the middle class. people who have been kicked out of the program's, kicked out of the system right now. we are out here fending for ourselves. i think it's very sad. i am also thinking that donald trump -- i want to put him in there too. i think he has poor impulse control, and i'm very afraid that if he gets into the white

house, he might make impulsive decisions. that's coming from what he likes to do. and throw us back into another war, where a lot of our young men, which he doesn't have to participate, but a lot of our young men will have to go fight again and get killed again, and get maimed again and come back home in deplorable condition. i don't think that's a good idea. i would hate to see that happen. i don't trust his poor impulse control. host: that is linda, an independent in pennsylvania. arnie arneson, your sense of independents in new hampshire. guest: we have what is called undeclared voters. you can call them independent, but we call them undeclared. of thesent 44% to 45% electorate. on the day of the election, those undeclared can walk into the voting booth, and they can

choose a republican ballot, or democratic ballot. they can really go either way. what i think is so interesting in new hampshire is, i see two things happening. and john kasich, aggressively going after those undeclared saying vote for me, pick a republican ballot. i see hillary clinton going after those undeclared helmet -- thoseme extent, undeclared ballots. the undeclared is the powerhouse. everyone is looking at the base of the democratic party and the republican party, but in the end, it's the undeclared. some of them go one way or the other, they are not really like independents. they are probably more democrat or republican. i was married to a libertarian atheist. he was undeclared. i never knew what ballot he would pick on the day of the

election until he walked into the voting booth. i was married to him. so it always surprised me. but that is power. being able to try to persuade those people in the middle, it's one of the reasons why, unlike iowa, a lot of the candidates have to sort of moderate their message. we are very different from iowa. you heard last week, what steffen schmidt was telling you about iowa is there are a lot more evangelical christians in iowa. republicans have to sound a certain way. democrats are fairly liberal in iowa. but in new hampshire, it's an interesting mix. host: the numbers in new hampshire, undeclared about 383,000 as of the end of december 2015. republicans, 261,000, democrats 229,000. the headline we showed our viewers earlier from the "washington post," in new hampshire, the undecideds easily

can become the deciders. guest: the powers there. mexico, good new morning. had one basic thought, thank you for c-span. i watch every morning as long as you have been on the air. i feel connected to the country through c-span. west, the press will be over with before the mexico gets to voice their opinion. we are not anything like those radical liberals or corn farmers. if you set me on fire and you wouldn't get me to vote for any of the democratic candidates, because i feel like the party left me. i changed to republican this all my was a democrat life, my mother was a democrat all her life. my grandparents on that side of the family as well. but if you are a white person, i'm going to play the race card,

it's impossible to find a job today. this is something that is not being addressed. we have gone so far with all of the groups, all of the activist groups for every race, religion, creed, and color. ltte -- lgbt's. but for a white person, you have got to be the best dam white geton that got ever made to an edge. guest: the problem isn't white, the problem is job creation, that's your problem. we have economic stagnation, we haven't seen significant job creation. it's not a function of your color, it's a function of what's happening. we lost our manufacturing sector, we have all these trade deals. take a look at what's happening. we haven't invested in the american worker, we've invested in wall street. it's not your whiteness that it's theet you a job,

jobs don't exist here today. we need to have more job creation. if you want to go with the republicans, that's perfectly fine, totally understandable. but understand what butters their bread. what butters their bread isn't the kind of investment the get you a job. don't think a black has trumped you or anesthetic has taught you. black people are hispanic people, it's with all of us. what happened to jobs in america? stop investing in our infrastructure. for every dollar you invest in building a bridge or a highway or fixing a sewage treatment plant, how much do you leverage in the private sector? anywhere from five dollars to seven dollars in the private sector. by the government fixing infrastructure -- look at flint. flint is a story of poverty and a lack of infrastructure. that problem is going to exist everywhere. the member bridge that fell down in minnesota?

that was a pretty white state, and a failure to invest in number structure. if we invest in jobs, if we invest in infrastructure, it doesn't matter what color you are. you will find a job. host: arnie arneson, a progressive radio host in new nhn.shire at whn i want to ask you about what progressivism is, the idea of what a progressive is came up in thursday night's debate between bernie sanders and hillary clinton. [video clip] sanders: i commented, not making in overall valuation about the secretary. she was in ohio in september or november, and she said something like i have been -- i'm paraphrasing -- i have been criticized as people think i'm a moderate. moderate. a that's with this came from. it wasn't me paraphrasing her, it was what she said. there's nothing wrong with being a moderate, but you can't be a

moderate, you can be a progressive. either standon: that senator sanders is trying to distinct himself, i understand that. that's what you do in campaigns. at the same time, let's not be in i think, an unfair way, making an accusation or making an attack about where i stand, and where i've always stood. it is fair to say, senator, that in your definition as you being the self-proclaimed gatekeeper for progressivism, i don't know anyone else who fits the definition. arneson, what is your definition of progressivism? guest: i describe myself as the radical middle. what is the radical middle? i'm a liberal, i'm a progressive, i believe you get information, not of that information to make the best decision possible. be meansrogressive may that you are more than willing

to look at change. that you understand the patterns. you want to respect the history. you want to hold on to what is valuable from the past, but you are not afraid of making change. hillary is right, it is about progress. but i'm also a liberal. and as a liberal, i want to make progress that benefits the community. but we also make investments in that committee, we create a level playing field, and then based on merit, not on crony capitalism, you are successful. bill clinton was never a progressive. he was part of the democratic leadership council, whatever that is. that is part of the problem. what are these labels? how do people evolve over time? -- isl clinton more like hillary clinton more like bill clinton, friendly with wall street, work with the insurance industry and wall street? a capitalistbring

structure within the democratic party. the problem is, we ended up with crony capitalism. that is not capitalism. that's basically unfair. as bernie said the other day, it's a little like fraud. when you put your finger on the scale, its knowledge you are getting a result that is based on hard work and effort. it's because you rig the system. was.w what bill clinton he was more of a new democrat, moderate to conservative democrat. but today, hillary clinton is saying she is a progressive and she is fighting bernie over that definition. i love it. keep the fight. it's really so interesting that now it's a word they can embrace. where as before, they run away from progressivism, they run away from liberal. awaymeans we are running from a lot of opportunities to look at new ideas. host: this debate happens in the democratic party, let's go to a democrat. elizabeth is in fort lauderdale,

florida. caller: good morning. i don't call that often, i listen quite a bit but i don't call often. it gets frustrating and confusing a lot. your guest is very sensible. my love what she just said. hearingten, i'm idealism versus realism. bernie sanders is idealistic. that is fine and good. we wish the world was like that. the world is in that way. the world we live in is a realistic world. who was present in realistic issues? hillary clinton. please don't cut me off, i don't call often. the republicans come i've heard iowa, i want to go against bernie. they're going to beat him like a drum. his issues are fine. they are lovely. but is not going to work.

congress, we've got senators, we've got representatives. which one of them are going to vote any of his issues up? none. none of the senators. he won't get them through. people don't understand them. they don't understand what's going on. well as thereme as world scene, who is best qualified? think about it. who is lit best qualified? is --the idea of iowa idealism versus realism. guest: hillary clinton has been a lawyer, and the spouse of a very powerful president. she became a u.s. senator after she moved to new york where wall street is, and wall street is her constituents. and then she ran for president, lost to barack obama animator secretary of state. has been thes

mayor of the city, burlington, a city that had to thrive with capitalism and business coming was a successful mayor. he then ran for congress. congress in vermont, there is only one. that's how tiny the state is. and then he ran for the united states senate. so both of them have pretty impressive resumes. and both of them are smart. and both of them understand how the system works. they also understand it you can pass and what you can't. let me remind you that there is a real machine. if there's a democrat in the white house, there will be a republican ability to try to stop everything. let me give you an example. remember barack obama? you know with the affordable care act, his big health care plan? it was newt gingrich and the heritage foundation's plan for health care. it was the most republican of plans. as soon as barack obama put it

on the table, it became a communist plot. and the only way barack obama got the of affordable care act was not with one republican vote, caller. not one. let's talk about idealism and realism. let's be real here. the only way you got the of affordable care act was because of democrats. and we worked with republicans refuse to work with him. becomes do youn think because bernie is talking about making significant change and hillary clinton is talking about massaging the system -- just because you are talking about making significant change, the you are not willing to compromise? let me use the spectrum. if you start the conversation over here, where is the middle? over here. if you start the conversation over here, where's the middle? here? where are you? i suspect here. money isn't unrealistic about what he can get done, but he knows what he wants and he shows the direction. i think hillary clinton is

moving in the same direction, that is a celebration. they are now talking about universal health care and finance reform. they are fighting about being more progressive, they are now talking about all of these things. but until bernie came into the race, he has actually moved hillary. what does that say about how you move a congress and the country? line forgo to the republicans, michael is waiting in our squash, wisconsin. you are on with arnie arneson. caller: first of all, i want to [no audio] check on the line for republicans in sebring, florida. -- chuck. caller: i think the whole thing is jobs. guest: it is. caller: i'm ashley voted democrat and republican, but re for as been in thei

while, he is unable to do nothing on the job issue. of whole thing is because the immigration issue. these are hard-working immigrants, they are bringing our wages down. that's why i'm going to vote for trump this time. i think he could stop the immigration. we are not going to get any jobs. -- any jobs back from china. if he could stop the immigration, that would be a little better on the job situation. host: i'm going to let arnie arneson respond to your thoughts. i wanted to give you latest on the jobs numbers that came out monthly job that report. it showed employers added 151,000 jobs last month, well-off last year's average gain of two under 28,000 as pointed out by the wall street journal. the unemployment rate fell to 449% on a falling below 5% for the first time since february, 2008.

host: arnie arneson, go ahead. guest: immigration isn't the problem. if you look at the number of people that are moving back to places like latin america and mexico, the numbers are moving backwards. but that's not the problem. the problem isn't immigration, the problem is job creation. whenfense of barack obama, he got elected president, we have the worst economic meltdown since the great depression. here's what the problem was. we decided that we had to come to the rescue of wall street. we had to bail them out after they brought us to our economic knees. instead of bailing out america and bailing out people that lost their businesses -- caller: i lost my whole [indiscernible] we spent a lot

of time repairing an economy that wall street brought to its knees. we had some interesting trade agreements that don't always protect american workers. significant and for structure investments. we haven't done the things about job creation. it's about what we have done to basically aid and abet corporations, there's no connection to place here anymore. that's the problem. we don't have corporations, we have multinational corporations. they go where they can make the profits and pay the lowest wages. they don't care about america, they want to make sure to manipulate so they can get the benefits they want. it's about time we start looking at what is good for america. i want world trade, i want fair trade. people to do well in

india and china, because they will buy our products if we make any. that's what this is about. i think what is really interesting is that when we begin to see the companies that have moved to china, i think some of them are beginning to rethink the idea. they are beginning to realize you can't drink the water, you can't breathe the air, there's a problem with the chinese economy. maybe it is an opportunity for us to look at what it is it that we can do well. change -- climate climate changes but the liability of a gift. here is the gift. create new opportunities for new energy, we can be in control of it. we can build them, we can develop them, we don't need the middle east because of oil, because now we produce more than anyone else. we must start building things that we can buy and sell around the world. it is an opportunity, don't blame immigrants, weimar policy. policy. our

corporate america knows, they just don't want to invest here. host: robin is waiting on the line for independents. caller: i'm a 60-year-old african-american woman who has traditionally voted democratic. as far as barack obama is concerned, bill clinton was the first black president. he has done more for black people that obama could ever do. i'm very disappointed with barack obama. times,oted for him to which is why i decided to become an independent. i'm going to vote for bernie sanders. and it bernie sanders does not get the nomination, i will then vote for donald trump, because despite the fact that i am black, and african-american, i'm sick of this immigration problem. i live in los angeles, and it really is ridiculous. fortunately, i have always been employed, and have the opportunity to have a job.

i'm in the legal community. i learned the trade in ohio. i'm from ohio, where they had vocational programs in the 70's for kids in high school. so despite the fact that i don't have a college education, i'm making six figures after working in this field for 35 years. but the system is rigged. this is the first time where i clearly see, and clearly believe that it is, in fact rigged. i have done my homework, and i can see through hillary clinton, , orshe takes for granted assumes that she automatically has the black vote. when she doesn't. host: arnie arneson. guest: congratulations on being so successful. i'm glad there were vocational opportunities for you in ohio. it shows that education and investment at that stage can actually create economic security for you. i'm going to go back to say i don't think the problem is the immigration problem.

i do want to say was interesting here. you talk about bernie and the system being rigged. and that is the problem. remember senator dick durbin? after economic meltdown, he was watching all of the activity going on in congress. you know what he said? as he watched this disaster happen, knowing that it happened because the system was rigged and wall street had sent the right amount of money and have the right lobbyists and the right revolving doors? senator dick durbin said the banks own this place. bernie, that was dick durbin. today, we didn't break the banks. we have even smaller number of banks, they are more powerful. i think hillary clinton has a problem right now. you didn't necessarily mention this. but hillary and bill clinton have made $150 million on speeches since bill clinton left office.

and a lot of that money came from wall street and banks. my question then becomes you know there is money in your super pac's, you know you have gotten money from wall street and banks. i understand. this is about personal cash. you have to understand, if you made so much money from banks and wall street on your speeches , and so much money is going and your super pac's campaigns, how do you really have the ability to regulate them or tell them they have to change their behavior? that's a problem. host: do you think we will see transcript or video from the speeches? if so, when do you expect we will see them? guest: hillary clinton leaves the secretary of state position, and makes a little over $3 million in change. , one of in the debates the town halls, that she took all that money -- she said i really wasn't sure i was running for president. come on, hillary.

find another excuse, but don't say that. everyone knew you were running for president. answer, which was ridiculous. host: the acknowledgment that she knows it looked bad for future presidential candidates? look bad.does that's exactly what you showed you. my question is why did she have to do it? they were really rich by the time she left the secretary of state's office. they didn't need the money, she was really rich. everyone knew she was getting ready to run for president. that is why everyone was afraid of even thinking about running. everyone assumed she was the anointed and there would be no competition. bernie was the only one with courage to say excuse me, i think we should have a conversation during this campaign. the proof that bernie and martin o'malley were the only two people to show up tells you that everybody understood for years that she was running for president in 2016. she knew it, we all know it.

that was a stupid answer, number one. just be honest with us. but the reason why people want to look at the transcripts is they want to know what did you say to wall street that was worth $12 million? what did you say? what did you say that would make them keep writing checks and keep inviting you back? that's the problem. i understand it when she became a u.s. senator, wall street was her constituents. now she is running for president. who are her constituents? us. youse where the money, -- square the money, you square the speeches, and you tell me why we don't ask questions. money teaches, money pushes you. i'm environmentalists. you know what i like the bottle bill? when you spend a nickel or dime on a can or a bill -- a bottle, you don't throw it out.

it's worth something. money persuade you to do certain things. like the bottle bill, you don't throw it out. what do you get when you get so much money from a very powerful constituency? i will go back to dick durbin. the banks own this place. host: let's go back to the line for democrats. tracy is waiting in sterling, virginia. caller: good morning. i want to start by saying i was an independent for a long time. are along withws the republican agenda. i don't believe in big government, i am an african american woman, i'm a christian. i follow the evangelical vote. overi find, systematically the last couple of years is that the republicans do not identify with me, as a minority voter. and typically, the candidates that they have put on the platform have just been too idealistic and too radical. i am looking at hillary for a

lot of reasons. and i do believe, as i heard on recent news channel, that bernie wants us all to dream big. but hillary wants us to dream big with our eyes open. i think it is definitely time for us to start moving towards the issues. if there was a way that hillary and bernie could work together -- guest: wouldn't that be incredible? caller: i'm all for it. i want to say to the other lady who called in. i find it and trusting in the african-american me it, a lot of minorities did not vote for obama because he was black. we felt like he earned it, we felt like he was entitled to give the country a chance at looking at the presidency. i think he has a great job, and i think it's unfair when people like her that we call in and say she was expecting something from him -- i wasn't expecting anything from him as a minority. i was expecting him to come in and do a job the best he could.

think -- i'mg, i loving you, but i think it was a cheap shot about your comment about wall street. i think if hillary was offered $600,000 for a speech, go for a girl, take it. guest: mcgivney the transcript. host: -- but give me the transcript. know, thet you clintons control the contracts. control the terms of the contracts, they give the contracts to the institution and the institution signs off. their standard fee is around $250,000. that is a lot of money. when bill clinton left office, he charged $150,000. the last time i look around, he doubled and tripled his fees. an article from 2015 where bill clinton went to 150,000 dollars to getting as much as $700,000 from a speech to the telecom industry in china.

$500,000 for a speech to russian bankers. he has made money on speeches. and the reason why you have to ask that question is -- what was so valuable that you said to them? if this is going to be a public process, and a transparent process -- and in the end, you want to and i want to trust our president to you want to know they're working for us. we want to know they're going to create a level playing field. i don't want to whack a rich person or only help a poor person. i want to make sure the system is fair so that people can climb up the ladder and the rich don't get something that the rest of us don't get. host: i have a couple of colors and stacked up from new hampshire, i want to get to them and let you ask them questions. a win is a first in salem, the line for republicans. owen on the line for republicans. caller: the classic definition

of the progressive is a liberal that is so open-minded, their brains fell out. guest: [laughter] not exactly. richard is in amherst, new hampshire on the line for independents. caller: i couldn't agree more about the job situation and the need to bring them back to the united states. i do want to point out that the loss of the jobs started in about 2000, when clinton allowed china to get into the world trade organization, which subsequently was supposed to thew two-way trade between united states and china. and we were going to make the products and send them to china. when the wall street crowd got involved, which is one of bill's and hillary's favorite patrons, those jobs went to china. subsequently, we have lost ,pproximately 70,000 jobs

70,000 factories of closed. unemployed workers swelled to 25 million. these are high-paying jobs. you can look at your 449% job growth or whatever, your employment rate. jobshose are really good where the middle class can earn a living, join a union, and get a retirement. if you want to talk about the clintons, think you want to look at their wall street connections. readld recommend that you books about these two incidences. when they get $500,000 for a speech, there is a quid pro quo for that. someone on the other side makes 10 times that much. guest: let's not absolve the republicans. ultimately, you have to understand that things like tpp, the republicans love them too. the clintons may like these trade policies, but this is aided and abetted by a lot of republicans.

it isn't about democrats or republicans, it's taking control from a democrat. if they can buy a democrat, they can buy a democrat. if they can buy a republican, they can buy a republican. the koch brothers understand what the investment is. it's not an endorsement, it's a check. you know that. the problem with these trade deals is who is sitting at the table when they are negotiated. who is representing workers? who is representing the american economy? that is part of the problem. when only international business, and only international corporations and major institutions are at the table, my problem is that the trade deal doesn't benefit workers, a benefits people that will now have an opportunity to move their corporations outside of the united states, move their profits outside of the united states. andre left holding the bag, they can hold up the trade deal

and say you don't like trade? like trade, i want to be at the table when you negotiate. host: who was the last republican to stop by your show? guest: a good friend of mine, john mccain. i have known john mccain for 20 some odd years. when he was running for president in 2000, your member remember that. i was doing morning drive time radio, and john is very good at understanding how to use radio. he is brilliant at it. primary ining of the 2000, and my producer says john mccain is on the phone. and i say the phone kicking john, you are -- i can't use that word. and john says, i know, what country do you want? i know john kasich, i didn't get

to know lindsey graham which is unfortunate because i think he was a solid candidate. he had his eyes wide open. he is too much of a hawk for me. he also understands where america is. let me make one last point. i was listening this morning because jeb bush and chris christie are worried about marco rubio. they are not tag teaming, but they sort of our because marco rubio is no number two in the polls, having a strong finish in iowa. do you know what is interesting? jeb bush and chris christie are now using the abortion issue against marco rubio. marco rubio is all over the top on abortion. there is no help accession -- exception, life exception, nothing. now, abortion is coming to the eight of jeb bush in chris christie. i think planned parenthood should step into the race. i think it is wonderful. what does that tell you? new hampshire is a different landscape in iowa. i was very evangelical.

here is the story about new hampshire. we don't trust the government or big church. it is an interesting place for republicans to figure out how to negotiate the landscape and a fascinating place for democrats to have a conversation with people who were undeclared, who might move more in the republican cap, but if the republican cap as more trump like or evangelical, more intolerant, they may actually choose a democrat. host: if our viewers want to hear more about the conversation that arnie artisan had, it is on iner later on in today's program. back in our studio in manchester, we are joined by radio host jack heath. he hosts a three-hour morning show each morning on current events and all it takes. something we can appreciate on the washington journal.

a busy day yesterday on your program. you cohosted with presidential candidate carly fiorina who missed the cut to appear on the stage at tonight's gop debate that is being hosted by abc. why did you have her on your show yesterday? before, i hadht learned she was being boxed out of the debate. as a former television news director of the local abc affiliate that is having this debate, we didn't allow the networks to come in in new hampshire and draw a line based on national metrics and national polls. it is the new hampshire presidential panel -- primary, not the new hampshire primary. i made noise on my show. i thought it would be very easy for them to include carly her newbased on hampshire standing, her fundraising, showing in iowa where she beat a few of the people were going to be on that stage tomorrow night, and in the latest university of new poll,hire poll and wmur

she is tied with kristi and ahead of carson. why is she not debating tomorrow night? it is beyond me. the official criteria, candidates needed to place in the top three in the iowa caucuses, place among the top six in the average of national polls, or pole in the top six in the average of new hampshire polls. that was the criterion that she didn't meet. if she was to be on that stage, who do you think should be off the stage if you had to replace her with one of the candidates? >> i don't think you have to replace her with any of the candidates. that is where the process is at. the first preference of actual voters was just last week in iowa. everything they are basing this on is mostly national polls. the first votes were cast. she defeated a few other people. this is what i think it should be about. eventually, it is going to send out. i have never seen this early in the process, going back to several months ago when the national networks and the

national political powers tried to sin the herd so early, that is the point of the early process. so what if there are a lot of candidates? might remember the year bob dole ran and won the nomination. i was the abc affiliate a mile or two from where the studio is. we had about eight candidates and a fellow from maury -- named maury taylor from michigan had been running. the cnn political director at the time try to tell me as news director these few people are not debating. i called new hampshire secretary of state bill gardner, the actual curator of this primary who by law sets a first in the nation. i asked him, who are the major candidates and what criteria? he didn't use national polling. he used new hampshire -- metrics. he says the people trying to kick off the stage are major candidates. i think carly fiorina should to be there.d

she earned it. they are not when to listen to me. rubio,onald trump, marco ted cruz, ben carson, and the three current or former governors, jeb bush, chris christie, and john kasich are the seven who will appear on that stage. amk heath is with wgir radio. he is our guest for the next 40 minutes or so. if you want to call in, republican, 202-748-8001, democrat, 202-748-8000, independent, 202-748-8002. a special and all morning for new hampshire voters, 202-748-8003. as folks are calling in, it is or so hard to tell who wins the debate. who in your mind has the most to lose of the seven candidates who will be on stage? nice -- will tell you a tell you in a second. i'm sorry cut your.

carly fiorina is losing airtime. an hour and the phone was ringing off the hook. i thought it was a fun thing to show. not to endorse her. i don't endorse candidates. it was to show respect for her standing and the presidential can -- primary against the national networks try to muscle eminent. the early state. who has the most to lose? donald trump, ted cruz, same story. who has the most to gain? john kasich, marco rubio, maybe jeb bush. i don't know why chris christie hasn't been doing better in the polling here. we might be missing something in these, even the state polls. i think donald trump and ted cruz want to not lose any ground and i think rubio and case it, if i had to guess, have the most to gain. if viewers want to talk more about the preview of tonight's debate, now is the time to call in. michigan, line for democrats. good morning. this is for all

americans. stuff can't buy your own -- if the only thing you have is for an stuff to buy, you don't build a strong america. there, you americans out republican, independent, democrat, if you are not buying american, you are not building a strong america. that is the bottom line. you are fighting wars in foreign land, spending all of our treasure, we can't even build our own country. that is a shame. host: the issues of manufacturing and trade, are we seeing them from the campaign trail this cycle? guest: i think stephen should run for office. he has a pretty good platform. unfortunately, i don't think we have seen the major issues discussed, particularly among republicans. the national media -- i've moderated the first forum.

we try to get to some of the issues. substance abuse, opioid crisis, immigration, and his point about manufacturing is a good one. new hampshire has lost a lot of larger corporations, manufacturing as they have gone overseas. no one is talking about should we lower the american tax or to the a: of canada -- to the equivalent of canada? the republican side is try to make this a wrestling match. trying to get the candidates to go after each other. you haven't seen that with the democrats who are talked about what they want. he made a good point about manufacturing. >> are the moderators of the debate that you are seeing doing a good job? you are someone who has done the, been in the trenches as a moderator. what is the right way to do it? guest: it is not about you. i am blessed that i live in new hampshire by choice. i love this state. i wouldn't be anywhere else. the show is grown and i am humbled by a.

my point is i have done the tv thing, i'm not looking for a job in new york, i don't want to be one of them. i've worked in boston, i've had a lot of fun. i'm here because i want to be here. the primary comes around every four years. when i moderate these things, i know what is want to leave on wednesday. you get the candidates who are putting in this time to talk about the issues. carly fiorina on my show yesterday, she said i go to these events, i listened to the voters, they are talking a different dialogue, almost a different language of issues by the national media. obviously, maybe i have ruffled feathers. these people from the national media, i don't mean to bash them are they are smart, good at what they do, they are at the top of the game. talk substance. the american people want -- like your last caller, why are we talking about the debt? why are we talking about oil prices dropping? of thepshire has one

highest per capita veteran populations in the country, almost 10%. we have soldiers coming back iraq, withistan, ptsd, and no one is talking about it. veterans take their lives every day in this country. not one candidate has been asked a question about that. i think they just are -- unfortunately, this time around, it seems that ratings are what is driving this, not issues. host: tennessee where gary isn't waiting on our line for republicans. -- is waiting. caller: i am for trump all the way. he is, in my view, he started out and has not changed any of his views from the beginning. , including candidate democrats, have pretty much been on board with what he is doing. his polling and stuff has been there. for that reason, that is the reason i'm going to vote for

trump. if i had to vote another way, it would probably be sanders. he is basically running the campaign of what trump is running during he has a lot of views that trump has. i would not vote for hillary. i don't understand why this hasn't been brought up enough. the movie that is out. working hours. if anyone has watched that movie, that would change my mind completely against hillary. not just hillary, that is just the government that we have now. it has to change. somewhere down the line. democrats, that is good. it needs to be wiped out. everybody needs to the for what the people need instead of what the party needs. aboutthe caller talking donald trump. he has been a fairly frequent guest on your program. guest: is it gary, the caller?

think about what gary just said. this is a dynamic that amazes me in new hampshire and nationally. he is a trump god. there are a lot of trump people here. trump hasn't set on my show, if he runs, he is going to do it his way and say what he thinks and he doesn't care. he has certainly done that. then, the caller said if it is not trump, it is sanders. talk about diametrically opposed political views. a socialist talking about wall street and a lot of people with a lot of money, a guy with it billion dollars and the caller just said i would vote for this guy or him. totally different people, individuals come their lifestyles, their backgrounds. host: he is not the first caller who has felt that way. there have been saying bernie sanders and if not bernie sanders, donald trump. guest: that is the phenomenon with this election. americans are so fed up with washington and politicians and the same soundbites and rehearsed stuff, they are fed up with it. i think you will see some

surprises tuesday. that is why sanders is resonating on the left, the more progressive left. trump is resonating here because they both -- if they can't change it, they want to tear it up. their message is authentic, it is not rehearsed, it is from the belly, and people like that. look at bernie sanders. his hair, he is all over the map. he passes the polygraph test of what he believes in. even if you don't believe in it, he believes in it. donald trump, same thing. he doesn't care. he is unfiltered. that is why they are resonating. host: arlington, virginia up next for our line for independents. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am an old man. i would vote for these -- for the first one who comes up with a gotten -- a dollar a gallon gasoline tax. we need money for the mastech problems. , foron a gallon infrastructure rebuilding, $.10

for social security and $.10 for medicare and so forth. we could get this country back on its feet. we can attack the international problems and so forth in congress. thank you for taking my call. infrastructure, social security, medicare, the problems domestically that the caller is worried about. talk: it is not for me to about what he wants for policy. i understand what he is saying. my problem is i think most people would react to that and say we need to rebuild bridges, roads, and infrastructure. this is why trump maybe more than sanders would handle this one. you put that tax on. we already pay a big tax, a big federal tax on gasoline. americans are liking the lower gas prices. you send that extra tax money to washington, the problem is the way washington is right now, you don't know if that money will go to roads and bridges.

look at social security. these candidates aren't being asked about the disability portion of social security that is a most bankrupt. these programs are -- they are in trouble. we have a debts deficit. when was the last time the candidates were taught -- asked about how you would say that? they don't want to answer the question because they would lose votes with older voters. what do we need to do so that younger americans paying into social security will have something? these issues on coming up enough in this auction enough in my opinion. -- in this election enough. caller: getting back to the original question about carly fiorina, i believe she should have the opportunity to be in the debates. just one extra person, down to an eight person fields now. trump, it is funny because the difference between donald trump and bernie sanders

is bernie sanders is part of the progressive movement and donald trump is part of the regressive movement. there is a huge regressive movement in the united states where people want to go back. they want to take back things that we have fought for and earned. it is a matter of wanting to regress. sanders should be the model of the republican movement. fiorina off the stage is emblematic of the wreck -- regressive attitude. it is a boys club. they want things to stay the same. guest: good point. he is showing his political view with what he says -- what he says regressive. they want to take some things and change some things, they don't like the last several years, but i think both sanders and trump, getting back to this caller and the earlier caller, they are almost populist. certainly, the democratic side of the aisle has a more liberal,

progressive bent, if you will. the debate the other night in new hampshire, this is all most of using to me, you have them up there trying to say which, sanders and hillary clinton, they were debating the other night at the university of new hampshire, trying to say which one is more progressive. i think it is pretty clear that bernie sanders is that guy, not hillary clinton. they are populist. they are also sanders and trump are hitting on another court. it is called anger. they are feeding off the unrest for different reasons. the economic feeling that wage growth is not happening so what you do is get people fired up, so that people have more marbles , more toys come more goods, more money. people want more money. you get them fired up, that is a good way to run a populist message. donald trump is getting people fired up. we are going to close the borders, make mexico pay for it. we are gorgeous stop heroin from coming in.

we are going to negotiate with the pharmaceutical companies like crazy. what does that mean? negotiate like crazy? it is a populist message. feeding off people. we're not going to let putin pushed as around to it i think it is not regressive. bernie sanders with his economic message, he has been on my show several times. i have asked the senator, what is your personal income tax plan? he doesn't have one. he says i'm working on it. how can you be a presidential candidate with economics as your entire platform and not even be able to answer a question on your personal income? it is because he doesn't have to. he is talking about the same, simple message. get people fired up on wall street. the banks are bigger because the federal reserve made them gobble up bear stearns or merrill lynch and become bigger. it doesn't matter. people don't like big corporate greed and money and they are somehow getting angry. same with trump who is using anger in a populist message to score in the polls. to give people a sense of

how busy you are, go through the past week since the iowa caucus. who has stopped by? first day, marco rubio crashed my show. when i say crashed, you know when you have your great producers, by the way, you have a great group your. they schedule you. they know who is coming on next. my producers tell me we have calling, chris christie and, jeb bush, and all of a sudden, marco rubio is there. right after iowa. like that are happening. it is a chance on a bunch of radio stations to hit a bunch of voters in the morning who are informed and will vote. this week, we had christie, jeb bush two days in a row. one funny moment is when rubio called in a few days in a row and one day, he showed up at the studio and he has momentum here, and i had to take him first because he kind of one the wild card in iowa. he was the hot guy, if you will. i had to get him on the line on the phone during the break and say governor, to governor bush

was a very nice person. jeb bush, he is a gentleman, a nice person. i said, i am sorry governor, i just does rubio just crash the show. can i take him first? he said, that is fine. it has been that kind of week. carly fiorina in their guest posting for an hour, people showing up to get pictures of her, we are on the ee, a few days left. this is typical for new hampshire. wgir-610 am in new hampshire, new hampshire today with jack heath, our guest for the next 20 minutes or so. taking your calls and questions. not everyone is an advocate of keeping carly fiorina in the debates. on twitter, carly did not meet the neutral criteria for participation. no support in national polls, time for her to go. guest: does that person worked for abc? i am kidding. next inrginia is up florida, line for republicans, good morning. caller: i'm a first time caller.

i just turned the television on this morning. i noticed that they mentioned the carly fiorina wasn't going to be participating in the debate tonight. i think that is wrong. that they excluded her from this. -- she isecessarily not necessarily the candidate i was planning to vote for. that means nothing to me other than the fact that she brings so much to the table. i am just about ready to vote for her now. she -- i think she should be included in the debate. there aren't that many candidates now on stage. i really think they ought to decide to include her if she would be willing to do it. even at this late stage. another thing i wanted to find out was what channel is going to

be televising and what time will the debate be? i can't them to find it. >> it is the abc news debate happening tonight. check in with your local cable listings. it will be shown in your area. , i want to talk to you about the idea of candidates skipping debates. specifically, donald trump skipping the debate just before the iowa caucus. did that hurt him? do candidates get dinged by voters for skipping debates? are these national audience that they are playing to, more nationalized debates these days? i will come back to what the caller said about carly fiorina. as far as trump, hindsight is 2020. he lost by a few points. he probably wished he had debated. my personal feeling, as i didn't buy the flap with nugget --

megyn kelly and roger aeros. trump and roger aeros are good friends. chavez been pretty good to fox. he sat on the lead. just like a sports team, the game is a few days away, you rest him, i think the event he had for veterans was a great move, he raised almost $6 million. he called in on my show this week and pledged $25,000 for a radio fund we have coming up for veterans. he has been good on veterans. i think it was a calculated mood -- moved by his campaign. they want say they regret it he is never wrong. carly fiorina -- why is abc, and by the way, there is no book. you know this.n, there is no book where you can page two -- turn to page 232 and read were the criteria is for a national debate. there is none. they made up these metrics. fine, you have three criteria. they goes back a month or so.