at 8:30 a.m., then winkler of move on door dog -- moveon.org is here to talk about the campaign and their endorsement of bernie sanders for president. ♪ this morning on "the -- we wantjournal" to get your reaction to last night's gop debate. 202 is the area code. 202-748-8001 for republicans. democrats.0 for 202-748-8002 for independence. handlej is our tour to -- twitter handle. you can make a comment on our facebook page. front page of the wall street journal. a map laying out what will happen in the next 15 or so days.

super tuesday and through march 15, some states are voting, the states you see in orange are the super tuesday states. including texas and georgia, minnesota and it runs down through march 15, the darkest purple states are the march 15 states. polls on this map in the wall street journal, michigan, donald trump leading. in ohio, donald trump leading. governor kasich by five points. georgia, mr. trump has a big lead as well as in florida. in texas, takers is currently ahead 34% to 26%. if you are interested in seeing, this is the front page of the "wall street journal." from cnn, marco -- marco rubio

prepares for a contested republican convention as one option to take the nomination away from donald trump and ted cruz, his campaign manager told top donors at a closed-door meeting in manhattan on wednesday, as he scrambles for support ahead of super tuesday, his top advisor used a powerpoint presentation and took questions from attendees to lay the two courses that rubio's quest for the gop nomination could take. the first shows the number of states and delegates he would need to clinch the nomination outright before july. in second was a scenario which none of the candidates gain the simple majority delegates needed to clinch the nomination before the convention , unleashing a messy and potentially unpredictable battle where multiple candidates are going for the title, the meeting comes as rubio is trying to lock up support of establishment

republicans looking for an alternative to donald trump and takers, the rubio campaign needs to convince donors and gop powerbrokers that it has a true path to victory. that is in cnn this morning. call, about the supreme court and what is going on. and grassley will tell obama no action on a nominee into i-16, the senate majority willr and chuck grassley meet with president barack obama next week on the supreme court vacancy and they will relay the position that the next president should fill the vacancy. "we look forward to reiterating to him directly that the american people will be hurt and the next supreme court justice will be determined once the elections are complete and the next president has been sworn into office." earlier on thursday, grassley said he was willing to listen to the president, "i think when the

president wants a meeting i will give him the opportunity to make the first aid men and find out what he wants to know." i think it is clear we will tell the president we said the people should decide, it is not about one individual. host: the supreme court came up in the debate last night and specifically about chief justice john roberts. here is senator ted cruz and donald trump. bushor cruz: george w. appointed john roberts but i would've not nominated him, i would have nominated my former boss, the strongest conservative on the court of appeals. it is interesting that donald thomases to appoint justices who will defend religious liberties. this is a man who for 40 years has given money to jimmy carter, joe biden, hillary clinton, harry reid, nobody who supports far left liberal democrats who are fighting for judicial

activists can possibly care about having principled constitutionalists on the court. what donald has told us is that he will go to washington and cut a deal. on supreme court, he will look to cut a deal rather than fight for someone who will not cut a deal on the constitution but defended faithfully. trump: i watched and respect tent but he gets nowhere, stand on the senate floor for a day or two days and talk and talk and talk. i watch the other senators laughing and smiling and when he was exhausted he left the senate floor and they went back to work. we have to have somebody to make deals. it is wonderful to stand up for two days and do that, he has been critical. he has been criticizing my sister for signing a certain bill, you know who else cited, justice samuel alito, a very conservative member of the supreme court with my sister.

should gett maybe we a little bit of an apology from ted cruz. cruz: i will not apologizing -- apologize for admitting -- defending the constitution and bill of rights. host: we begin with gabrielle in maryland on our democrats line. caller: good morning, america. field, theblican only person who is reasonable is john kasich. side, to the democratic people talk about hillary being electable but i do not see the reason -- obama beat hillary because he was smarter and better. -- only reason why hillary

[indiscernible] thank you. alan in beach haven, new jersey, republican. who are you supporting and who do you think one last night? caller: i have not decided who i will support that wanted to give you a suggestion -- i watched the entire debate last night and was appalled at the behavior of donald trump. i wanted to give you a suggestion for your book notes programming. the name of the book is "never enough" and the author is michael antonio. a wonderful book describing the trump family from entry into the united states more than one century ago and a description of construction and

development businesses. a wonderful book. it would be very appropriate for a book notes program. host: does it -- is it an analytical book, a price book, a critical book? book,: a comprehensive not necessarily critical but a compendium of factual information about donald all the way back to his grammar school --cation and military school academy education through to his father's passing and his inheritance and his favorable treatment by the city of new york and getting a hotel for remodeling that became the grand

hyatt hotel. host: thank you for that suggestion. roger in sarasota, florida, independent line, did you watch the debate and who do you think one? caller: i watched the whole thing. i was appalled, not only by donald trump but by the behavior of ted cruz and marco rubio. the three of them hogged the entire evening. i think it was the fault of the rules they agreed to obey. and of the moderators that allowed and perhaps encouraged. it seemed to me to have the atmosphere of a back alley dogfight. most undignified. i was very turned off. person,the most decent the sanest person is dr. carson. i have been impressed with him from the beginning.

i am very disappointed that he gets so little attention during the debates. i think they should direct more questions towards him and give him more opportunity to speak. he has a wonderful mind and record, a beautiful career. a fine man. i would favor his getting the nomination although i realize it is probably impossible. my next favorite person would be governor kasich, a man of lots of experience and has done good work, i backward -- an excellent background. he is lacking in charisma, so what? this carnival of contempt and arrogance put on by donald trump and the dogfight between him and marco rubio and him and ted cruz and between take crews and marco rubio, it is disgusting. -- between ted cruz and marco rubio, it is disgusting. host: you can vote on who do you

think one last night on our facebook page. john is in gulfport, mississippi, democrat. caller: good morning. i did watch the debate last night. it was a little bit discouraging. listening.e caller: it was quite discouraging. it seems as though the republicans are hollering and screaming about the replacement of the supreme court judge. to see the want balance turn the other way. they have had it for so long they have grown accustomed to it and think that is the way it should be. i would like to tell them to cry. and i hope we get a good one to replace the one that just died.

thank you. host: front page of the new york elect -- senate republicans facing criticism from democrats on capitol hill, they insisted thursday they would face no political retribution for their decision to shun a supreme court nomination by president obama, having confidence they would not be hurt in the polls in november. the american people are pretty much split on it, said senator thom tillis, republican from north carolina citing polls that show the country dividing on whether the senate should act on a nomination. for that reason, i do not think it will be a major factor.

host: allentown, pennsylvania, sam. caller: i thought the debate was usual about the yelling and screaming, but it comes down to goods going to do the most without the political correctness. i am going for donald trump. the big thing is, we need a president that wants to do something -- we want the jobs and the taxes lowered. people toe corporate have lower taxes so we can have jobs. they make a victim out of everything. republicans and democrats -- they make a big deal out of everything. republicans and democrats.

make jobs, that is what we need. washington post this morning, hispanic voters deeply dislike trump. eight in 10 hispanic voters have an unfavorable view of donald trump. last night, immigration was one of the topics. a lot of these positions are new to him, he talked about a pathway to citizenship and in 2012 he criticized mitt romney saying that he lost the election because of self deportation. today we saw a report that donald trump has hired a significant number of people from other countries to take jobs americans could have filled, my mom was a made in a hotel and a set of hiring an american like her you would have brought in over 1000 people from over the world to fill the jobs. this is an important issue and we all realize it is important

for the country and has been debated for 30 years and needs to be solved once and for all. deportation: self is people will leave once they see others go out, dwight eisenhower, they started moving people out and the rest of them left. self deportation as i define it. you will get some to go and the rest will go. as far as the people i have hired in various parts of florida doing the absolute -- during the prime season, you could not get help. it is the up season, people did not want part-time jobs. very seasonal, 90 day jobs, 120 day jobs. everybody agrees with me, they were part-time jobs. or we might as well close the doors because you could not get help in the hot sections of florida. criticizedio: you mitt romney for self deportation and his strategy is why he lost

the election and i think people in florida would be surprised because the article they interviewed a number of people willing to do the jobs if you had been willing to hire them. host: mark from columbus, ohio, independent line. what did you think of the debate? caller: typical arrogance of the republican party. they think they are the only people who know what is good for the country. on the other side, the democratic party are brainwashers, they have been planning hillary clinton -- nameing hillary clinton's in our heads, especially african-americans, they act as we cannot think. jobs are our number one problem as far as black americans are concerned in my opinion. i think bernie sanders has a better way to go. i sure hope that black america sits down and thinks about it before they go ahead and vote

for hillary clinton because she is only for herself. she is not for us which neither party is for black america. the arrogance of the republican party prove that in november of 20,000 -- 2008 when they disregarded 50 million people's votes and decided they were not going to support the person who we thought was the best person to run our country. that is how we lost all of our strength worldwide. not going toe are support our president, why should anybody in the world support or listen to what we have to say? host: mark in melbourne, florida, democrat. caller: hi, peter, how are you doing? i thought -- i think donald trump is an empty suit. he talks in generalities but does not give specifics, like for instance, he will force

mexico to build a wall across the southwest united states, how will he do that? mexico is a sovereign country, are we going to invade mexico and take them over? john kasich is the most qualified candidate on the stage. it is too bad character does not count as much as pomp and circumstance and flash. have a nice day. host: mark mentioned mexico and immigration issues. the former president of mexico, aboutt a fox, spoke out the wall that donald trump has proposed mexico pay for. there is language that might be offensive. here is a little bit of the interview. >> i am not going to pay for that wall. he should pay for it. he has the money. >> are you afraid he will be due next president?

>> not at all. democracy could not take crazy people. maryland.or in independent line. caller: good morning, how are you? quick question, i do not understand, a couple of colors kept saying that donald trump isn't it the suit. he beat everyone by 10 to 12 points. tax saying it will cost $4.8 trillion or six train dollars and will increase -- $6 trillion -- unicorns and flying puppies. the same people questioning them. rhetoricump's words or -- [indiscernible] there is an anchor nobody wants to hear.

-- anger nobody wants to hear. causes that led cap the country behind. -- half the country behind. shows and askling them what is this one accomplishment this guy has, nothing. [indiscernible] he has been losing hispanics to nevada -- in nevada to donald trump. if they traded places. if jeb bush or marco rubio or ted cruz, they have won three out of four states they race would be over. i do not get it. host: washington post this

morning, clinton regrets 1996 super predators comment. this came about because of a young woman named ashley williams who went to a fundraiser for hillary clinton .nd this is what happened her [indiscernible] >> explain it to us, you are black people an apology -- owe black people an apology. ms. clinton: if you give me a chance to talk. you are the first person to ask me and i am happy to address it. williams, an activist from charlotte interrupted her during a private

fundraiser in trust and, she stood and demanded an apology from clinton for the high incarceration rates of black americans and told the candidate, i am not a super .redator, hillary clinton at issue was a quotation from clinton in 1996 at the height of anxiety during her husband's administration about high rates of crime and violence during his presidency, blue clinton shepherd -- bill clinton shepherded a sweeping crime bill that was heralded at the time and has since been widely criticized for increasing incarceration rates and sentence durations, notably a bung black inmates -- notably among black inmates. in new hampshire, she talked about crime and the crime bill and these are the comments that ashley williams was reacting to from 1996. ms. clinton: the goal was to have more presidents on the street -- more police on the

streets, 100,000 police and we are moving in that direction but we can see it makes a difference. if we have more police interacting with people, on the streets, we can prevent crime, petty crime from turning into something worse. we have to have an organized effort against gangs. in the previous generation, we had an effort against the mob. they are often connected to drug cartels, not just gangs of kids, often the kinds of kids that are called super predators, no conscience, no empathy, we can talk about why they ended up that way but first we have to bring them to heal and the president has asked the fbi to launch a very concerted effort against things everywhere -- gangs everywhere. host: jonathan capehart from the washington post not in touch with hillary clinton's campaign and watch -- wrote this blog these. almost immediately after this

came to light about ashley williams. hillary clinton on super predator remarks, i should not have used those words. , sheld not use them today told me in a statement when i asked her what she would have said to ashley williams. the activist who interrupted clinton at a charleston, s.c. fundraiser on wednesday. i asked clinton for a response, jonathan capehart writes, here is what she told me in full. was talkingech, i about the impact of violent crime and vicious drug cartels were having on communities across the country and the particular danger they pose to children and families. looking back i should not have used those words and i would not use them today. " part, ""on, one more we need to in the school to pipeline -- prison pipeline and the --

jonathan k barth says that inech was a 1996 address support of the 1994 filing crime control act otherwise known as the crime bill. in her remarks, first lady clinton said they are not just gangs of kids anymore, they are often the kind of kids called super predators, no conscience, no empathy, we can talk about why the ended up that way but first we have to bring them to heel. this is not the broadbrush clinton's critics are accusing her of using 20 years ago, despite assertion that i know you called black people super predators, she was clearly talking about a narrow band of young people who would not having cute in the admirably assertive williams but the vast -- or the vast majority of african-american youths here in large -- in light of the fear of crime in the 1990's, she is going out of her way to define super predator as a kit with no

conscience, no empathy. also noteworthy he writes is her saying that we can talk about why they ended up that way, i highlight that because senator bernie sanders gave an impassioned floor speech in 1994 raising questions about cause and effect. this is bernie sanders, mr. speaker, it is my firm believe that some people in our society who are horribly violent, deeply sick, sociopathic, clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them. that is part of bernie sanders'statement. he voted for the crime bill. no one would question sanders commitment to justice before or after he voted for the crime bill nor should anyone do the same to clinton who did not have a vote. her words sting in the light of 2016 but they should not blind

anyone do what she did before and after she uttered the 42 words in a span of 12 seconds. david in austin, arkansas, thank you for holding, independent line. reaction to last night's debate or any other topic. caller: i was listening to you, bringing it back to the original reason i called, i was disappointed about how the moderators were trying to control the stage. the fact we were unable to hear clear programs that these individuals would be able to present to the american public as to why they think they have a plan that is better. and that case last night, i was concerned that the republicans on the outer side of the three in the middle were not even given an opportunity to present their case or to say, look, this is my program, this is how it is

different from your program. cnn'same a moderator or way of getting their ratings up and the american people were disappointed. in a conversation i just heard what you said, i am not voting for hillary because i am disappointed with clinton and i do not understand what he will be doing in the white house. in one -- they want to concern themselves about super predators, but she also said the word, bring them to heel like they were dogs. that makes it a different concept of what she thinks those people -- those children, predators should be. host: that was david in austin, arkansas. hillary clinton speech from 1996 in new hampshire is available at c-span.org. go to our website, we covered it in 1996, if you type in "hillary

clinton in 1996 and keene, new hampshire" it will pop up. howard is in maryland, democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning. i am going to start by saying i am a supporter of hillary clinton and i thought the debate last night was a cage match. it was ridiculous. very little content with regard to what the various candidates wanted to offer for america. for that reason, i seek no substance in any of the republicans. clinton, i think this attack with regard to her credibility is false. the lady has been in the trenches for civil liberties all of her life. for that, i will caller: the reason i call this

i want to talk about the debate last night. cage match as the previous caller indicated. i think the race is over. if you look at the national polls, donald trump is leading in nine of the 11 states on super tuesday. he is going to win up walking away. all they can do is attack. for the don't think he has any substance, the main think he had on last night was this, the need to eliminate the state orders

with insurance companies and allow them to compete across state lines. we need competition. i love john kasich reply. i would love to see them on a ticket. with a collar that is supporting hillary clinton, that is unbelievable she is a criminal greater what she did with her e-mail server. you've got to be out of your flipping minds. jordan is in washington dc. caller: thanks for taking my call. am bernie that i sanders. with theppointed nature of the entire republican field. so combative. we are still one country.

their biggest thing they can offer their support base is just defeating democrats without substantive policies. jeb bush wanted to talk about policy and that's not something they are interested in. host: ryan is in new york. thank you for taking my call. creditsn't get enough for his policy. everybody says he just spouts off. if you dig deep, i read an article that the chinese president is concerned about the u.s. going against the chinese manipulation of currency. they are purchasing different businesses in the u.s.. they are afraid that after they

may not be able to take it vantage. like ted cruz better than trump but i will vote for trump. he is a smart type. he wants his legacy. he's not going to do stupid things. he is going to do whatever he can, whatever he thinks is right. son,ll have his family and and have good name. people are afraid he's going to do this or that, stop listening to these people and read what's going on out there. host: the page of the new york bills --r an labor fills jobs.

host: next up is ralph in baltimore. what do you think? think it is pretty

disgusting to see trump in the middle. put ted cruz and marco rubio on each side of him. they were just attacking the man. we want to hear substance, we want to hear policy. ontead of being the focus up, it wase ratings just a wrestling match. host: have you been watching the democratic debates as well? caller: yes. host: what is your impression of those? at this point, i am independent. i'm not voting for democrats.

i am not interested in bernie or hillary. host: who are you interested in then? toward i have leaning donald trump or ben carson. nobody gave him any time to talk about his policies or see if he is about substance. all the focus is on the wrestling match. i think he has a lot to say if they would give him time. host: that is ralph in baltimore. charles is in ohio. journal." "washington caller: on a humorous note, i was watching the debate last night.

trump'sticing donald body language and his facial there wass and something about it that looked so familiar. that if you've ever seen footage of mussolini, if you compare them, they are very similar. it was just striking to me. it kind of some sum up. -- sums him up. host: what did you think of the debate last night? caller: i love the. -- loved it. i am for donald trump all the way. politiciansonal have sold out this country.

they have open borders. i live in the los angeles area. it reminds me of hong kong when i was in the service during vietnam. we would go to hong kong. seeing every sign asian.can spanish or the the only thing in english are the fast food restaurants. president that is going millions ofslow of illegal aliens from the middle east, from south america, from europe. this 22 trillion

debt that obama and democrats and some of these republicans. i am sick and tired of them anding out this country forgetting about the american taxpayer. host: the new york times this morning, the u.s. is set to expand sharing of intercepted calls and e-mails. ofy are on the verge allowing more private communication.

that is in the new york times this morning. bert is in north carolina. last night's debate? personally, all i saw

was intolerance by the three major candidates. are you there? all i saw was intolerance. the moderator and the other giveioners didn't really the auxiliary candidates a chance to answer the same themions or even question about the same subjects. mr. trump, mr. cruz, mr. rubio to me are just trying to take the clock back to the 50's when america was the only employer in the world basically. the rest of the world was destroyed.

manufacturing it was here in america because it was the only place to manufacture anything. applied to a certain class of people, wealth only applied to a certain class of people where certain demographic. we do not need to go back there. the other three quarters of the population were discriminated against. they were oppressed. we do not noted -- need to go back there. all want usndidates to go back there. back where there is only one dominant demographic. host: that was burnt in north carolina. this is stephen in venice, florida. debate,as far as the

they are just trying to trash each other. i'm sorry that it went to that length. i'm sorry the democrats can only between bernie sanders and hillary. is readyhink the world for a woman to be the leader of this country. i have four sisters. much, but i very don't think this country is ready for a woman to be the leader unless she is a queen. i don't think they will accept anything else. out: have you sent this loud to your four sisters? caller: they agree. they think we have enough trouble already with other countries in the world.

no respect for a woman and a lot of these countries. host: that was stephen in florida. go ahead. hello. i am here party -- here. i am not necessarily a clinton supporter. i don't dislike hillary clinton. thought she would make a better president than tell. might comment about the super predator comic had nothing to do with me dislike her. having grown up in d.c. during the crack era, i remember what with theke especially vagrants on the street.

reagan had let people out of mental institutions. jobs had flooded the street. streets had flooded the and there were no services to help people who were addicted to drugs. a there were people everywhere selling drugs to these and to did people. it was dealt with by sweeping everyone into jail. host: what did you think about ashley williams interrupting hillary clinton? caller: i nearly cried watching it. it's been so many years. time, it seemed like the world is against us young people. city andy in the places where people are getting hit hardest. up, i people standing

waited for 30 years. democrats jumped in bed with the republicans and did things that were very harmful to our community. i was very proud and happy. host: what do you do here in washington? caller: i am a computer programmer. host: charles is in massachusetts. you are on the washington journal. we are talking about the debate last night. caller: it was crazy. it was crazy. it was a joke. there was no substance. i think it was designed not to have any substance. trying to have people see what they really stand for. the other that

called from baltimore. for him to think that he has to vote for a republican, i just don't understand that concept. partyuld you vote for a that doesn't represent middle-class america, whether you are black or white? if you're making over $250,000 a year, maybe you should vote for republicans. if you aren't making that kind of money, you should not be thinking about it. the democrats are no better. it's just sad. opinion of both parties, where are you right now? caller: i am still undecided. people to choose

from. never vote for a republican ever again after what they did when george bush was president during they gave white checks. they bankrupted us. get back in power in 2010. now they've got the senate. nothing got done because we have a demo reddick president they don't want to work with. the of america are allowing them to keep doing this stuff. they are not hurting the president, they are hurting us. people are hurting out here. they need jobs. people need to get reeducated. people need to get an education. they have destroyed the public education system to the point where they are privatizing it. they want charter stools --

schools. people just sit up here and think what is going on is ok. that's why trump is winning. people are fed up. they are trying to make a mock rate of our democracy -- mockery of our to mock see. instead of voting those people out so we can get in there who will work for the people. we have no love for each other as americans. americans. we can't stand one another. why? we've got a democrat president, --

host: what do you do? caller: i am self employed. i'm there to different hats. young white kids, young black kids, young brazilians. i help them with their schoolwork, their math and science and reading. they are reading on a fourth grade level and they are teenagers. it's sad. it makes me cry every day. this is the washington times this morning. add age revealed that they have million on7 broadcast ads.

mike is a republican in tennessee. it what you think of the debate last night? was crazythought it in one respect.

i don't think cnn did a good job moderating. they should've not let things get out of way. i just read the article. a portion ofread it. have done in the private sector and are and i have been in the position. i am ex military. ofhave a lot of problems getting people. we are losing a lot of jobs. , they don't know weo the full aspect of why

have to go outside the country to get people to come in. one is a lack of education. it we are not training our children to take the positions that are out there. it's not the experience, they don't have the education to get in the door and get the experience. this is the washington times. insert fired after new video services.

ed is in maryland. please go ahead and make your comment about last night debate. caller: good morning. i am in african american. i speak german and spanish. i am a multilingual. of hillaryorter he clinton. i am going to try to make this quick. the thing is the reason i am voting for her over bernie sanders, she is the only one who can take the lighthouse and she

will win with a landslide. the thing is when you have colors talking about all the bashing.e women the gop. plans for that is hurting our country. i am reading several books. we haven't had in this country for a long time. she was secretary of state for a number of years. took air force one. host: can you bring this to a wrap? caller: that's what i want to

say. thank you. host: melvin is in south carolina. melvin? caller: i'm here. host: there listening. caller: i did watch the debate last night. i was so happy that somebody brought the weakness out on donald trump and his insincerity. i am a retired small-business man. online.can go you can -- his remark was that he would never put anybody on the street.

he desires not to do that. when you file chapter 11 and chapters are keen, that's exactly what you do. makingthat out there pennies. i am using this is a round figure. 13, you file chapter don't have to pay that guy. he is only going to get pennies on the dollar. theink he thinks that if united states government gets in trouble, all he has to do is file chapter 11 or chapters are seen. thank you rubio for bringing that out there in -- out. he cannot lead this country. there is nobody there. absolutely nobody. host: we have a couple of weeks.

if you want to vote, you can go to facebook and vote on who you think one. texas is next. good morning. caller: good morning. the others were just mad teenagers. i am a democratic and i will vote for hillary clinton. sandersote for bernie

if it comes down to that. i don't know why he keeps telling people that. really republicans are ridiculous. they are ridiculous. final callers our in this first hour. she is in north carolina. i just want to say i am donald trump all the way. i don't care about what he's done the past. he is sincere. he is for america. theyumber one thing is

will let them come back legal and do it the right way. this country is being killed. it's just it is just getting ridiculous. --se power packs, get trump you know what? he did not say anything either. he needs to decide what he is going to do. i am very disappointed in cruz. to lie -- i am tired of him saying he won iowa. he did not. it is getting to the point where it is ridiculous. i also want to say that when the people vote for president, then they should be president. how can you get so many votes and then not become president because somebody else is giving you electoral votes? they need to leave it to the people.

host: we have one hour left this morning. at 9:00e is coming in a.m., so we have a shortened show. we are going to be talking to representative doug collins, apublican from georgia, and minute. and after that, we will talk with moveon.org. we will be right back. ♪ 2016 iss campaign taking you on the road to the white house. saturday is the south carolina democratic primary. live coverage begins at 7:30 p.m. eastern. also get your reaction through your phone calls and tweets. join us saturday for live coverage on c-span, c-span radio, and c-span.org.

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how long also is essentially outside the envelope. all we can, every weekend on c-span2, television for serious readers. >> "washington journal" continues. host: doug collins of the judiciary committee in the house. you have a big hearing next week on apple encryption and the fbi. where do you stand on the issue? guest: this is going to become one of the defining issues in the next little bit. we have had a classified hearing already in the judiciary. i believe we could be on a very slippery slope. i think apple is fighting back, and i think they should be fighting back. i believe -- i guess, where does this stop and start? it is not just a one-off. it is not simply saying, can apple give me phone from just

this information? it does not really need to be handled in the courts. this needs to be solved on capitol hill. we need to make a determination in congress on what this issue is and how we are looking to best protect the country. i served in iraq and have been overseas. i understand the terrorist threat. but there is very much a concern here that the government is coercing someone to do something come and not to stop something. they are saying -- you will give us a way in. is there at saying, skeleton key for everybody's house? does a balance needs to be struck? yes, but not in the courts. it needs to be struck in capitol hill in the starting with hearings next week. host: the fbi director spoke on capitol hill yesterday. [video clip] cases acase and all

very important, but there is a broader policy question that is far larger than any individual case that we have to grapple with. i think the answer would best come from a technical expert and good lawyer. i am neither, but i will take a shot at it. i do think that it is potentially, whatever the judge 's decision is in california -- i am sure it will be appealed no matter what. there may well be other cases that involve the same kind of phone and the same operating system. what the experts of tommy is the combination, and i'm -- what the experts have told me is the combination on this operating system is unusual and it is unlikely to be a trailblazer because of technology being limited in principle. but the decision by a judge, all of the decisions will ride how other courts handle similar requests. .uest: some of what i just said

he talks about a judge in california and a judge in new york, judges from different areas. do we really want to take an issue in which most people carry areiphone or a data phone, we going to really leave that up to multiple jurisdiction's opinions? in this case, they make a compelling case that it is just one phone of a dead terrorist. but the next question is, if you get a court order for them to do that to that phone, what is the next step to get a court order for the next thing they wanted to do? that is the concern and the bigger issue. it is why i disagree with the has good who i believe intentions, but i have a healthy skepticism on the privacy aspect come especially with national security interests, as the reason for an exception. host: doug collins, this is from thereill" this morning --

seems to be quite a bit of talk about a budget resolution and whether or not republicans can pass it. guest: i, for one, voted against the deal. we have to get back to priority spending them a something i have talked about says i have been elected. there not in the i'll is spending anymore. we are looking at ideas and saying we have about 80% of our budget that we do not touch. we do not deal with medicare, medicaid, big items driving the smaller percentage of our discretionary spending. we have done a good job and continuing the process on discretionary spending levels. we have lowered it from 2010 levels. the deficit has come down. so are we going to make a conscious decision that many republicans, the vast majority, voted against? and now we are saying, is this the way we want to go forward? how is paul ryan doing, in

your view? guest: exactly what he said he was going to do. he has been working with individuals and with different members. has he always made decisions i might have made? no, but he never promised he would. whiched in situations in we now have members who were openly critical of previous members and now serve on the steering committee. paul ryan actually gave us power. if anybody thinks he is like the last speaker, look at things that have happened. i serve on the rules committee, and we are seeing better debate and more amendments. host: yesterday in the "new york times comes out there was an article about the house at about paul ryan. and i'mng to sum it up, going to be incorrect, but i hope i get it right. essentially, paul ryan is trying to develop a conservative platform and use the house as the model.

the senate is not. it is more of playing a little bit of small ball here. is the congress going to be relevant this year in the political debate? guest: i want it to be. i do not believe my kids and my wife back home come up and go through the motions. i like that we're trying to look at a big agenda. or other presidential times, will affect our debate process. from a conservative perspective, take any major issue in this country over the last two to three years, the house has taken it up, passed it, and sent it to the senate. many times the senate does not take it up. they will not discuss the filibuster issue. it is very frustrating. , and at one home, they would ask a question, and i

would say, well, here is what we passed on it. they would ask what happened to it, and i would say, well, it went to the senate and they did not vote. the senate, even in an election -- but the american people are simply saying, get up there and fight for what matters, fight or getting our country back fiscally in order, let us get up and go to work and let government ofthe a light touch, not the heavy touch. we are seeing the electorates discuss that in a passionate way. you originally supported scott walker for president. who are you supporting today? guest: after scott walker left at race, i am still looking it. i am getting ready for the process in georgia. ted cruz has a good message.

we agree on a lot of things. marco rubio has a consolidated message. trump isump -- donald -- he is presenting what a lot of people feel. i would like to see more specifics. voice to many, and it can't be concerned -- it be concerning review have states with solid conservative resumes for many years, and people had gotten so frustrated. so it will be interesting. host: representative doug collins is also reverend doug: spirit you served as senior pastor at the chicopee baptist church, which is where? guest: just south of gainesville, georgia. host: we want to get to your phone calls. a lot of topics, congressional, political, whatever you would like to talk about.

we have a call from arizona on our republican line. caller: well, hello, c-span. monthlying use of my call, because i think i have some the very important to say to the congressman. i know congressman do not have a lot to do with picking a supreme court justice, but the democrats are getting ready to viciously attack because they would not .ake up obama i think you need to make it simple for folks, tell them you are invoking the biden doctrine and the schumer doctrine are not picking a supreme court justice as a president is finishing up his term. people should understand that it is the same thing that the democrats were doing six and 10 years ago, and now they want to accuse republicans of screwing up i not doing it. host: i think we got the point.

this reflects a lot of our constituents. i agree -- it is amazing and really highlights -- i think it reflects something. on our side, we have viewed this president as the most ideological and political president on most issues. in an election year, i would we see anything less? we are now looking at a court that is changing and would really change the landscape of the next 20, 30, 40, 50 years. i think i supported the senate or they will hold up on this year it lets look at how this political season is playing out. but also giving the next administration that possibility. i think the president should nominate somebody. i think it will be an

interesting choice. but i think there will be a clear dissension on the priorities. host: using think he should nominate somebody? guest: it is his constitutional responsibility. and then they can follow the democrat doctrine of not playing politics. host: anthony in st. paul, minnesota, democrat. caller: what i would like to ask the senator is -- we were talking about national defense and the phone. i have to wonder why there is so much interest put on this particular phone. it has been on the news. those people are not just walking around with these same phones in their pockets 2, 3 months later. another thing with national defense, we should be addressing , so, educating our young they can keep up with all of these high-tech weaponry's that we're building. if we're going to start stopping

aliens, only allowing aliens to come in with education, that is discrimination to me. but we need to spend a little is on building bombs and putting them to the people that will have to operate these systems and do infrastructure with the pipes. as i yesterday about the water pipes and stuff like that. that is national security. when you do not have good water, your electrical grid is faulty, i mean, this is absolutely ridiculous. host: a lot of topics on the table. guest: what is interesting for phonethe interest in this is that it is a very public case. this has been discussed in classified hearings. we have been talking about this in the judiciary committee. the issue of encryption is not new. they might feel this is something that will be something

and want to get fixed gear the phone in this case actually becomes the focal point. it is not particularly this phone and what it may offer. i think the reason i and many others are skeptical in this case is it is not just this phone. it is the precedent set going forward. i do not think it is about apple or these other issues. these are issues in the marketplace. the market will handle that. the bigger question is privacy. holding that privacy and how we access the information. do need tochools, we continue our stem education. we need to grow in that as we continue to move forward. thethe phone has become object, if you would, for the whole debate. host: part of the debate last night and houston was about insurance, health insurance, and interstate -- if you were able to sell insurance over state lines. should that happen? guest: yes.

host: why doesn't it? guest: it goes back historically with the insurance industry and the way it was set up to sell in sure and said how they would deal with different markets. in georgia, we passed legislation to allow others to sell. it is part of a comprehensive plan that needs to be looked at. insurance needs to cross state lines spirit we need a more patient-centered approach with the health care situation. we need the axis and terminology that says, here is what is opening and expanding the markets, but at the same point, we get caught up on the issues. one of the things that was moving forward, but then obama over,- obamacare took some of us have continued to look at other alternatives on how to make it a competitive and fair market so people can get affordable health insurance. in my district, which is very , sometimes folks have

access to health care issues. some have ang that lower premium, but they get a low monthly rate, but then there co-pays and deductibles are out of their range. so it is a false promise. the get a policy, but they cannot afford to go through with the policy because of the deductibles and co-pays being too high. from my perspective, i think that is a step we can easily take. host: the representative reverend collins is also a lawyer. we have a call on the independent line from wisconsin. caller: good morning. you know, it is so interesting now about apple and the phone. called the first 48, and authorities always get search warrant's to go through these people's phones, you know,

suspects or whatever. ism not understanding why it so difficult to just do what they normally do. get a search warrant and go through these people's phones. you know, is this some kind of special phone that is exempt from the search warrants? i am just not understanding. frankly, as far as i am concerned, apple really said just go ahead and do with the do, becauseants to our privacy is already, you know, out the window. host: all right, we get the point. guest: if the phone was yours, would you want them to look into your phone just one time? i am not sure. the issue is not the process that law enforcement went through, it is the fact that the encryption in the phone cannot be unlocked. apple does not have the "backdoor." that is what is being discussed. is there a way that they could

go in under the encryption and get what is being asked for? it needs to be held up here in congress. what is the rights of companies and the balance of national security? that is what congress is supposed to be doing. he wrote question here is, again, maybe this phone is not attached to you, but the next question is, when is the next warrant going to be to your phone that is encrypted and you do not know it was there? host: we have a tweet -- i do not want your unhealthy state of georgia buying health insurance in iowa and forcing up my costs. guest: i appreciate accurate he is welcome to come down anytime and visit the great state of georgia. host: jackson, tennessee, democrat line. doug,: yes, reverend congressman. my concern about the same-sex marriage case and the ruling of

that, and if you really take a real look at that from the perspective of chief justice roberts saying it had nothing to do with the constitution. justice alito said dealing -- the question now is whether or not congress should actually deal with the rule of law. justice scalia pointed out that no social transformation without representation -- they questioned the constitutionality of that decision and also the fitness of the supreme court to deal with the rule of law. so what really needs to take place is to address what is going on within the supreme thet itself, because until supreme court is in the position

to actually address the rule of law, then they cannot carry out the responsibility of the supreme court. host: thank you. guest: he hits on something that a lot of people are concerned about and have been in many cases, the actual undertaking in the supreme court and the rules that have come out and then the balance between, which seems to state, andimes to a at times it takes the backdoor settlement. it is interesting. the reason why the next supreme court choice is a crucial in the history of our country, because it will determine on many issues how states and how they federal government interact with each other. he has hit on that sort of black box, if you would, of when they get together and decide their cases, what is being put into it and what is not being put into it, who is having the arguments made, and it also of the damage in a moment ago. oning on court, ruling

constitution, ruling on law, or is it ruling on preference? if you have multiple rulings out there, especially now witha 4-4 quart, they will hold. host: the syria cease-fire is supposed to take effect tonight. guest: we will see. i think the issue there is not only syria but the weak application from this administration, and we have now had russia come in, someone who served in iraq. we have isis leading over into iraq. ,e have the kurdish fighters which i think need to be armed and we need to help more and give them the tools they need to fight. there are concerns in the region about that, but we can begin to work. , this is notnot something we can bomb our way out of. there will be times we have to make the call that bombing works, but when you are dealing

with three or four people they gather themselves in civilian groups, our country would never support a mass bombing of civilians and terrorists in the same place. the question is, how do we take groups from us and others in the arab world that have a direct impact on this and begin to solve it? we will see how long this cease-fire lasts, but i am not sure it will last very long. host: rochester, new york, independent line. caller: about the apple telephone controversy, what bothers me is whatever power the government gets, at some point, they always of use it. i was reading an article the other day about the u.s. 6000als secretly tracking cell phones. i am also tired of government trying to manipulate us and making as constantly afraid. then these technologies go down to the local police level, and god knows what they are doing. guest: it is.

and before people out there said to could care less about national security, i will remind them that i am still in the air force. a father that was a state trooper, too. balance, and good police work has always run up against the next technological problem. they have always found ways to do the work and do the job. are we getting into something much more difficult here with encryption that we never would have had 15 to 20 years ago even? yes. but the interesting thing here is, what is that next step? i have yet to have the fbi director, who says this is isolated and unique, every time i hear this is just the first step, on many of these issues you see is liberally -- a slippery slope. host: you have the general counsel of apple coming to the hearing next week. who else? of thethe fbi director

general counsel, and i think we have some other experts in the field. host: c-span will be covering that hearing. daniel is in baltimore, republican line. caller: hello, thank you for allowing me to be on. representative collins, thank you for your continued service. we are talking about the government. i think the american people, at least this american people, and i have served 24 years, and when we see the government not play the same game with themselves as they do us, it is kind of making us unhappy. hillary clinton as a good example. why 45% to 50% of the american people are supporting someone that has given up so many classified documents -- you know , even one i do document, you are in trouble. another thing i would like to say real quickly is we have got

five candidates out there, and it is kind of scary. guest: i want to go back to one thing you said. as someone who has been around classified information, and we get trained on it in the military all the time, the revelations of classified game.al, she runs her own hillary should suspend her presidential campaign viewed the fbi should get direct answers, and they should get this solved. for most of us that deal with this, i have gotten e-mail after e-mail from friends in the military, and they say there is no way you do not know that that is something that should not be on a nonsecure account. for her to continually say this is no big deal and this is a witchhunt, that is doing a great disservice to this country and to those who properly work with our security and properly understand that there are positions that you have been

interested with homage of handle information that has very few eyes upon it. frankly, she should stop what she is doing. being president may be her goal, but she owes it to the american people to answer for what she did. she needs to solve it now. host: baltimore, independent line. hello. wasi, -- hi, i was going to address the question to the congressman about hillary clinton, but you said it much more cogently than i could have. but i would like to make a wantingt about the fbi the information on the apple iphone. agents hundreds of fbi to whatthe equivalent

the brits had in world war ii, and when they want to get access to a complex code, if they cannot break it, we should just retire them all and save a whole lot of money and just ask apple to come up with that particular piece of information that they need out of that phone, if that is possible. if not, look, we have to have some downside risk. i am living in a free country. i am a world war ii veteran. i am 88. and i think i understand the problem. and i was so happy that the congressman is so cogent on this point. thank you. guest: it is not everyday i get to talk to a world war ii veteran. thank you so much for your service and what you meant to our country. the question here is not -- again, so many times we want the bumper sticker answer in our world, the easy one.

one-off,imply not a not something that you can get in a room and sold with one company. we have multiple companies who have encryption. i know some other tech industries are beginning to weigh in. know, i try is, you to keep things simple sometimes. and this is not a simple topic. it is like a children's book, if you give a mouse a cookie, next thing, they will want a glass of milk. in this case, you're dealing with millions of transactions and lives. host: part of the discussion , does itis phone is have to be a master key? do you know? can they unlock just this phone? guest: according to apple, they cannot. they said it is not builds in. there have been interesting discussions from apple.

when you start saying, if we could or if we did, then i am saying, ok, there may be a pathway to get into it. so that tells me, even if you gave it to -- somebody once said give it to apple and just let apple have it and give us only the information we want. but this is a dead terrorist, a dead phone. we can gety, well, this anyway. but what about the next alive person who may or may not be rightfully accused? then they will say, well, we just have one more. again, i understand security risks. bet is something that has to balanced. the question is, is there a balance we can live with that does not make a lot of these advances mute? the: if donald trump win republican nomination, will you endorse him?

thet: i think he will be republican nominee, and anybody else on the right side is light years better. host: doug collins, we appreciate you taking calls from our viewers. is ben wikler, the washington director of moveon.org. -- up next is ben wikler. ♪ >> american history tv on c-span3 features programs that tell the american story. some of the highlights for this we can include saturday night at 8:00 eastern on lectures in history. maria cristina garcia on the united states refugee policy since world war ii. who qualifies as a refugee and how that has changed over the years. at 10:00 on reel america, a program on senator j william

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ben wikler, the washington director of moveon.org. mr. wikler, why did moveon endorsed bernie sanders? is a national grassroots progressive organization with about 80 million members. we only indoors when our members vote to endorse a candidate. his january, we put the question to moveon members with four options. bernie sanders, martin o'malley, hillary clinton, or do not endorse. bernie sanders can through in a landslide, 70 8.6%. that is more than any candidate had ever received in a presidential nomination vote in percent.story -- 78.6 so perhaps this was a totally clear winning endorsement by our members. host: what was the reason for what you called the overwhelming response? guest: we have been asking our members about why they're so

drawn to the sanders campaign. the message is very clear, which is that sanders represents the fight against our big system and the fight for an america that works for everybody and not just the people at the very top. he wants to break up the big banks and fight income inequality. more than that, he wants to make sure that at each step of life, government is serving all interests, rather than just interests that happened to write giant checks to campaigns. that includes to seniors, paid family medical leave for newborn expanding funding for planned parenthood, reforming the criminal justice system, combating climate change, all these fundamental issues. in one way or another, stalled by the power of big money and special interests to prevent legislation that most americans would strongly support. ben wikler, donald trump

also has, in some ways, a populist message. did any of your members vote for him? was he considered viable? guest: no. as clearly as our members support bernie sanders, they are adamantly opposed to donald trump. there is a simple reason. every time donald trump opens his mouth, it is clear that he would like to chop us up he would like to ban muslim spirit he like to break up families and build a giant wall. is tapping into real anger and concern for how this system works, but he is not proposing solutions to bring people together. far from it. host: one of the issues that or put outworked on press releases on is the supreme court and whether or not the president should nominate somebody. i want to get your response to what then senator joe biden had to say about 1992, and this is

from the c-span archives. [video clip] my view that if a supreme court justice resigns tomorrow or within the next several weeks or resigns at the end of the summer, president bush should consider following the practice of the majority of his predecessors and not, and not, name a nominee until after the november election is completed. president, too, mr. must consider how it would respond to a supreme court vacancy that would occur in the full throes of an election year. it is my view that if the president goes the way of presidents fillmore and johnson and presents an election year nomination, the senate judiciary committee should seriously consider not scheduling confirmation hearings on the nomination until after the

political campaign season is over. host: a lot of "nots" in there. guest: a lot of "should seriously considers" in there. we should consider the contest. that was the summer, not the end of winter, in an election year. it was totally hypothetical. and he was saying we should consider, we should seriously consider, and that is different from having an actual vacancy in the supreme court in february and having the entire republican caucus in the senate judiciary committee and across the senate now say they blanketly will not even meet with a nominee. what they are doing, speeches people have made, what they are doing now is unprecedented. there is no precedent for blake refusing to do their constitutional duty, saying there is no way they will

consider any nominee. that is irresponsible and extremely partisan, and it is making a political move in a wayess that is about the the justice system was constructed by the constitution of the united states. host: the numbers are up to talk with ben wikler of moveon.org. we have a lot of political topics on the table are ready. we will introduce one more and then go to calls. 3763 delegates at the democratic convention this summer in philadelphia. 2383. to win plus, 15% that 4700 of them are so-called superdelegates. guest: so these superdelegates are people who were not chosen through primaries are caucuses, people who are party leaders, elected officials, members of the democratic national committee from different states, and they can vote for whoever they want when it comes time for

the convention. a lot of super delegates have been endorsing delegates, and that is fine. .org and a big for most immigrants across the country, it seems pretty clear that superdelegates who have their position not from being chosen by primaries or caucuses, they should not have the power to overrule the choice of the democratic electorate when choosing the democratic nominee. we have primaries and caucuses going on around the country. so moveon.org has asked superdelegates to pledge now that when it comes time for the convention, they will support whoever has actually won the primaries and caucuses around the country, rather than potentially overturning the will of the public. host: do you support the idea of superdelegates? guest: i think superdelegates are not particularly democratic as an institution. i support elevating people of certain leadership in the party. i think their voices are

important. it is great for them to have a way to plug-in or but they should not have the power to overrule what most people want. the reason we have caucuses and primaries is that we believe in democracy. wikler, how did you get involved in progressive politics? guest: i grew up in a wonderful place called madison, wisconsin. if you breathe the air there, you're probably breathing progressive politics. stronglys were both political and believed in social justice. i remember going to a jesse jackson rally when i was seven years old. that memory stuck with me. i volunteered for campaigns. i was part of the state legislature and the house. intern foronor to feingold when i was in college. people involved in politics were there for the right reasons, standing up for their constituents and values.

that i am the sense proud to be able to carry into my job now. i think there is a real russrence between how a feingold, who is now planning to return to the senate, conducted and othersal career are pursuing this incredibly partisan approach. russ feingold sometimes broke party lines and sometimes stood along. he is the only senator who voted against the patriot act, but he always stood on principle and explained what he was doing. me, it seemed like a way you could make a difference in the world. it is an honor and pleasure to be able to participate in that. host: first call comes from jerry in rhode island, democrat. i disagree with everything you said about the delegates.

what i wanted to talk about with the goals of office taken by politicians, article six of the constitution -- the oath of office taken. take wereeople written by lobbyists, not sanctioned by the constitution, they were not written by the government. says theonstitution supreme law of the land show shape and loyalty to this pledge, the constitution, and the people. i do not understand how any other pledge is not in direct conflict with constitution, and the people that vote for lobbyist pledges are lobbyists to they cannot vote for lobbyists. but if they win the presidency, they will have 32 states, both the senate, the house, the presidency. they will get to pick the judicial, the supreme court, and

-- host: i think we are getting your point here. any response? andt: thanks for your call, you are making a profound point it fundamentally, the first job of every member of congress, of every senator, is to uphold the constitution here he that should be the guiding principle. the constitution is there to functioning and general welfare of the united states of america. seeing candidates, especially on the republican's eye, actually making pledges that prevent them from serving the public interests -- especially on the republican side. they are doing this, and not even for emergencies or balancing the tax season. that is the kind of pledge i think is hard to take seriously if you take seriously the idea

that your foremost duty is to the public interest, the interest of your constituents. that kind of hard and fast 1% alleged does not work out in the pledge does not work in the real world. that is why democrats look at the world as it actually lives. they have a fundamental problem with how campaigns are financed and how politicians get reelected. right now, for so many politicians, they are choosing which donors they want to cultivate, and they have to stick with them instead of with the needs of their citizens. are: via twitter -- what bernie sanders's congressman's? guest: great question. the first thing i would point to is his work in the veterans affairs committee as ranking democrat. he and senator mccain were lead on a profound reform of the .eterans affairs administration that is a very strong accomplishment to her he also has an incredible history of working across the aisle.

when he was in the house of representatives, he had more amendments than any other representatives. he was called the amendment king of the house, and these were on a huge array of issues. hethe affordable care act, had the power of getting several billion dollars from community health centers, helping to make a vital role outside the traditional custom -- hospital system. he has a record of figuring out where to find common ground for people who disagree with him and , even practical advances while he has visionary ideas that move the national debate forward. host: pensacola, florida, independent line. go ahead. good morning. i am a huge bernie sanders fan. i recently switched parties to become a democrat so i could vote. you talked about the superdelegates a little bit. if it comes down to superdelegates nominating

clinton, i think a huge amount of bernie sanders' fans will use or switchrite-in sides be at i think it would be a travesty if bernie sanders was not nominated because of superdelegates. that is all. appreciate it. guest: thank you for the call. turnout ofs to the base voters and activists, of independents getting involved for the first time, if the nominee has been chosen through primaries and caucuses and is then taken away by party insiders? that would be an incredible blow to the huge numbers of people who will have turned out and volunteered, donated, put their hearts and souls into a democratic process that they wanted to believe in. i think this cuts both ways. wass say bernie sanders behind in pledge delegates and

won with superdelegates, i would want the superdelegates to support secretary clinton. no matter which candidate, it is vital that the final nominee be the person that actually won the election speared we do not want a rerun of 2000 with bush versus gore decided by the supreme court. host: if you go to the c-span website, you will find our delegate tracker. 763 democratic delegates overall. 2472 republican delegates overall. 37 tolicans need 12 nominate. democrats 2383. of the democratic delegates a so-called superdelegates, which we have been talking about with ben wikler of moveon.org you can find it on our website. our delegate tracker. you can see who has done what so far.

"new york times" call for hillary clinton to release the transcript of her speeches. do you agree with that position? , i think all the candidates should release of the transcripts of their speeches. because what candidates say, especially when behind closed doors, is pertinent for people deciding who to vote for. that is pretty basic and clear. one of the things that is great about bernie sanders is that he does not have a record of giving speeches that he is not comfortable releasing the transcripts of your it he is volunteered to release any transcript. host: pennsylvania, democrat line. caller: i am a big ernie supporter, too, and agree with his vision for the future -- i am a big bernie sanders supporter. i was disappointed that it was not brought out more that bernie wants people to vote, and he

forgot to mention that there is s up forof 534 seat election in 2016. i am sure if voters came out, a lot of those seats could be taken by progressives. thank you. your call.ks for this is one of the key things. it is not just about the presidential election. havenk sanders and clinton a strong view of this, of the idea that it is not just about taking the white house. it is about mobilizing people across the country. sanders has done an extraordinary job of giving people a role to play, making it clear that people power his campaign and it is not enough to win a presidential election. we need to take back the senate and make inroads into the house. after elections, citizens need to stay involved. we will only get a visionary,

bold change of millions of people are involved in the political process daily. that is one of the lessons from the last eight years, and it is fundamental to sanders' candidacy. it is really not about him. it is about all of us. host: ben wikler is the washington director of moveon .org. we have a call from ohio on the republican line. caller: good morning. on theatching something fox network. they were talking about having women joined the draft. when they mentioned that sandler was 18 years old, he refused to join the draft. he did not register. i just wonder how this young man feels about that. is almost can't 90 sanders -- almost treating

sanders like he is a saint. of course, he is jewish. they could refuse, but he was a jewish man, and all my family went to germany and five for the jews. so tell me about bernie sanders and his record on registering. guest: thanks for your call to one thing i love about c-span is the chance to engage with people from a huge variety of viewpoints. something we have in common is that our family members fought in america's wars. my on goal was a vietnam veteran, and my dad served in the u.s. and did not go to was am -- my uncle vietnam veteran. sanders had a profound moral disagreement with that war. .e talks about needless wars sanders obviously grew up as an activist fear he was getting arrested protesting segregation, fighting for civil rights as a teenager and in college. he had deeply held political

views in a time of german's visions -- at a time of tremendous division, a time i did not live through. but i have heard stories from mike parents and friends and family. -- from my parents and friends and family. the key question is what we do now, what we require of young people, and what we do going forward when america has to make a decision about war and peace. sanders has shown tremendous judgment to her he opposed the most available -- one of the most pivotal for policy decisions of my time. he supported the iran nuclear deal, which helped of heard a war with iran. am confident he will only put men and women in harm's way when it is absolutely necessary host: . -- necessary. host: what is the path to bernie sanders getting the nomination? guest: votes.

the big moment coming up now is super tuesday already, i think we're looking at strong results in vermont and colorado and oklahoma.and he is actually ahead in oklahoma , and i believe in massachusetts. there are 11 states up for grab spirit i think he can win several and come close to a draw or tie him for several more. it is still a pension battle. the thing about the sanders campaign is that it is people power, and people power is a renewable resource to what has happened so far is that people step up. people turn out and volunteer more. people donate more. nobody is maxing out the sanders campaign. i should not say nobody. but people can keep making small donations. the average donation of the sanders campaign is $27. i think that is something we will see continue for as long as it takes.

i think the exciting thing is how success builds on success, how energy builds on energy. h is demonstrating it is possible, and that brings people out of the woodwork to make it happen. tweet -- can you give us one conservative policy you would like? where are you willing to compromise? if not, why should they compromise with you? guest: great question. a lot of policies have been supported by republican senator much like. i will point to my favorite example, a president i had differences with. created theh emergency plan for aids relief him and that policy saved millions of lives and transform the global epidemic. it is something we can lifetimely end in our could the prospect of an aids-freak generation, which seemed unthinkable, is up julian view -- the prospect of an

aids-freee -- generation is a prospect. stepped up to the plate and provided tremendous leadership on the issue. i think that is terrific. i would be delighted to see more policies that make the world a better place from our friends on the republican side and from the democratic side. no question that there is room for compromise, room for finding things we can work on together. it is about putting down the partisan puzzle and focusing on what the people of america actually need. host: i guess he's all your poster of their in harvard. ella delphia, independent line. -- philadelphia. caller: big bernie sanders fan. once i understood how the super pac's work, that a similar to gerrymandering. anyway, i am glad you are from

wisconsin. i was very disappointed with that recall. please explain how you got over one million signatures and, yet, failed to give scott walker -- get scott walker out of that job. i'm confused on that. host: thank you. guest: that is a painful and important question. for folks who have not followed the stories of wisconsin, scott walker who failed as a presidential candidate, was -- has been republican governor of wisconsin for some time now. after he passed this ridiculous bill supposedly to fix the budget, but actually to smash public-sector unions up of wisconsin, there was a recall effort. millions of signatures were gathered across the state calling for a new vote for governor, and scott walker ran for reelection. what a lot of people do not realize is that millions upon millions of dollars was poured into the state by the koch brothers and national efforts of

wealthy conservative donors. that amplified a message that they found had a message, and the message was that the people already decided it would be unprecedented to recall the governor, we should not do it, he has not broken any laws. and this idea that we should not just recall the governor when we do not like the policies, that broke through. i think if people realized that they were hearing that message over and over and over, repeated in tv ads, because of money pouring in from out of state, people who funded his campaign had a clear, direct financial interest and breaking the power of organized labor, i think it might have turned out differently. it was a stark example of the power of big money to avert what should have been the democratic process. host: ben wikler, washington director of moveon.org. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] .he house is now in session c-span goes live to the house.

cial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.] the speaker: the house will be in order. the prayer will be offered by our chaplain, father conroy. chaplain conroy: let us pray. god of mercy, through whom we see what we can become, thank you for giving us another day. we thank you as so many americans have been challenged and have risen to the exercise of their responsibilities as citizens to participate in the great debates of these days. grant wisdom, knowledge, and understanding to us all. as well as an extra measure of charity. send your spirit upon the members of this people's house who walkthrough this valley under public