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good sunday morning to you. this is the headline this morning. front page. ted cruz, a double set of victories for him beginning in kansas where he won with 48% of the vote compared to 23% for donald trump. senator marco rubio at 17%. also in kansas the democratic caucuses held there with senator bernie sanders winning with nearly 70% compared to just over 30% for hillary

clinton. moving to kentucky the republican caucuses there onald trump winning. in louisiana, the republican primary donald trump winning. a democratic primary in louisiana as well. hillary clinton overwhelmingly winning with more than 0% of the vote compared to 23% for senator bernie sanders. maine holding its caucuses this weekend. yesterday the republican caucuses a win for senator cruz at 46% donald trump at 33% and governor kasic coming in third. the main democratic caucuses will be head today. d in nebraska senator bernie sanders getting 56%.

this morning from the kansas city star. hecking your sweets. tomorrow evening the democratic candidates appeering on fox news channel. first, we did cover donald trump last night. he held a news conference in palm beach, florida, and said it's time for senator rubio to drop out of the race. here's more. >> i want to congratulate ted on maine and kansas. he should do well in maine

because it's very close to canada. let's face it. [applause] i think marco rubio had a very, very bad night p.m. personally, i would call for him to drop out of the race. i think it's time now that he drow drop out of the race. i think so. i think it's probably time. i don't think tonight he can get up and rant and rave. he comes in third, fourth. he says you've got to believe able to win. i think it's time that he drop out. i would love to take on ted one on qun. that would be so much fun. he can't win new york, new jersey, pennsylvania, california. i want ted one-on-one. ok? >> donald trump last night at a news conference at his resort

at west palm beach, florida. this is the story this morning inside the "washington post."

what's next in this campaign? caller: good morning. and thank you for being so up and to the point with what's going on in the campaign. what impresses me the most is that trump can be and must be beaten. his followers now using the nazi sthrute, some troopers assaulting. i don't understand why the police do not arrest donald trump for inciting a riot by telling his followers that it's ok to knock them down, spit on them, carey them out on a stretcher and the police do nothing. is he now in charge of the police of the united states? the secret service, the f.b.i.? he hasn't been elected to anything yet. when is it going to stop? host: thank you very much for

the call. kathleen parker's piece this morning.

xt up on the republican line vincent. good morning. caller: good morning. i think ted cruz and marco rubio need to join forces on a ticket to save the country from donald trump and hillary clinton because they would both be a disaster. hey're both deeply dishonest ethically amoral people and neither of them deserve to be president. host: thank you. we'll go to albert from chicago. caller: good morning, c-span. i have a question about -- i want to put forth to supporters of bernie sanders. please let me ask this

question. senator sanders, the agenda he's running on, no one has asked him exactly how in concrete detail is he going to get any of it through congress. ow, he talks about a political revolution of millions of people. but barack obama in 2008 when he won called for supporters to come out. he said i cannot get this agenda done alone. i need your help. and no progressives showed up to help him. they stood on the sidelines criticizing him because he couldn't get it done by himself because he had to compromise because he was by himself. so i want anyone supporting bernie sanders to tell me exactly how is he going to get any of this through congress. because i don't have time to feel the burn or anything else as far as this goes. i'm living in reality.

ok? he has been in congress for 30 years. and in all that time he hasn't even been able to get his agenda brought up in congress for debate let alone a vote. so someone please tell me how he's going to get any of this through. host: thanks for the call. the primary in louisiana again where hillary clinton is the victor and donald trump on the republican side. hillary clinton continuing what they call her political romp through the south in saturday's louisiana primary winning over a wide margin over senator sanders. fred has this tweet on our witter handle.

and carol has this comment on hillary clinton. what's in this campaign that ome are sexralling saturday. -- super saturday. winner take all states including ohio and florida two big states for the republicans and the winners of those states could further define where this race is going. >> good morning. ty just wanted to say that i vote for trump and i think he's going to change a little bit of his strategy moving forward. he doesn't -- before i answer that i had a comment about the last lady the trump has never

told people to spit on people and all that kind of stuff on the crowd. so i was kind of amazing by that. i think i've watched every rally since this whole thing began. and i think that he at first -- he's gotten so much better as a politician. he's really improved his style. he's not -- he doesn't hate women, he doesn't hate muslim like all this stuff bernie sanders says he hates muslims. i think all of this and everything from mitt romney trashing him and accusing other people trashing him really kind of put a damper on some things. but i think that when he comes out and changes his strategy and he actually puts -- i haven't seen a commercial that he has put out. i think when he goes out and actually pus commercials out what he is really about, i think it's going to change a lot of people's views on him

cause it seems like he's changed and improved. people are holding on to things like that. and all the little lies i'm watching. i go on to the scombet and search what everybody -- internet and i think people will change their minds. so i just want to say that i believe that he does have a chance but i think he is going to change his strategy a little bit so people get to see the real kind trump that a lot of us know here in florida. host: thanks very much for the call. from cape coral. aureen dowd in her column. marie has this tweet.

another comment from michael. next is spence on the democrat's line from west virginia. i'm sorry. shirley is next from pennsylvania. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. first of all, i'm 100% trump. i believe that's our only hope. and the reason being if you

look what we've got running, first of all, ted cruz is tea party. he's so mean and nasty and nobody likes him. do you realize if he was president it would be worse than it is now. he can't get along with anybody. and then rubio, he doesn't have a chance. he should really get out of the whole thing because he doesn't have a chance. and then if you look on the other side hillary shouldn't even be running. i mean, look at the trouble she did. she needs to step aside and take care of the legal battle that she's involved in and see if she can get herself out of it. and as far as sanders that won't work. in nts to give everything the house away. he wants the rich people to pay for it. come on. we've got to have some sense in this country. we have to have some sense. and i believe if trump

surrounds himself with some really good people, somebody that's good with all the foreign affairs and makes sure that he is surround bid very, very good people, i believe we can actually see this country get turned around in the right direction for our children and our grandchildren. so i'm just praying that the people in this country will open their eyes, pray about it, go to the polls, and vote for the right person so that we can get something done in this country. host: can you stay on the line for just a moment? caller: absolutely. host: first i want to show the headline. a piece about donald trump and how he flirted with a bid for the governorship in new york before deciding to enter the 16 race.

and here's a tweet from robert. but shirley, my question to you is did you have a chance to watch mitt romney's speech on thursday? caller: that man needs to be ashamed of himself. he's run twice. and then he had the nerve to ask trump for help. and trump helped him. gave him -- had two fund raisers for him and helped him. and then look how he turned his back on him. do you know what? is that what we want run ourg country? come on. that is so -- that's awful. that was just awful. and i can't imagine anyone in this country that would pay attention to that man. and the other thing i'm going to be very honest with you about. sons? what, five or six as i understand it, not one of them served this country. i could be wrong.

host: you're right about that. but nor has donald trump's son. caller: the one is running the business for his dad as i understand it. but i took a look and thought come on. they have so much money that they can keep their son out of serving our country. my family is a big service family. my family my dad my brother my son my grandson our whole family has served the country. and i thought come on. come on. are you really country or are you for yourself? host: thank you very much for joining in on the conversation this morning. we appreciate it. caller: thank you so much. host: you remember that great book the boys on the bus. this is a piece this morning from the style section of the "new york times." the kids on the bus.

spence i promised i would get to you next in west virginia. i just hit the wrong button. now you are on the air. caller: good morning. you're one of my favorite. this program is absolutely wonderful. we keep more informed through c-span than any other network. the thing that i would like to say is the one fellow called in about bernie sanders how could we get all these things through. we the people can vote. whenever any time comes up that we like say issues like universal health care. they keep talking about the three branches of government. there's another one called we the people. put some of these heavy issues on the ballot. the other issue i would like to talk with you here is i watched politics my whole life. and i do not believe that hillary clinton should be allowed to count any dell gat, those delegates should not be counted to the convention. as far as i'm concerned anyone who pledges right now during this season before they get to the convention, they're voting

twice. they're voting in their polls and they're voting at that time. these votes are not to be used until they get to the convention. i submit that some of these people that are pledging right now their votes will be challenged at the convention. host: you're talking about the super delegates, not those who are pledged to hillary clinton. correct? or bernie sanders? caller: right. delegates should not say anything until they get to the convention. that's the rules, the way i understand it, unless something has changed. i just don't understand why we're not getting the better count between hillary and bernie sanders that are actual votes not just in super delegate stuff. host: we'll take a look in just a moment. politico has a story. the problem with a draw for sanders is he started saturday

in a deep hole to hillary it on having secured 42 0 does take 2,823 gel gats. that convention will take place in philadelphia. they'll be meeting in cleveland, ohio. in mid july. good morning. caller: good morning. first i want to thank c-span for its program. it provides so much information to a lot of people that they just don't get on the regular news. host: thank you for participating. it works both ways. so thank you. kirtsdz first of all, from the prism of an independent looking at the republican party which i side more with than the democratic party for 30, 40 years we've been hearing about how they want to fix things. the first thing i want to make reference to is our social security. that is one of the easiest fixes that we have. all they have to do -- and

anybody, if you go to the united states government website, pull up the original f.d.r. 16-page social security insurance act bill. you will see that this is like the most perfect bill ever written. if it was instituted in the way that it was written as opposed to what the supreme court did y violating every word in this bill, we would have social security today. it would have been fixed 30 years ago. the other thing that i will reference is we're dealing with a lot of problems with immigration. all these immigration bills and packages that they come up with never come up and have solutions to them. what i mean by this is the immigration bill isn't for the american people. it's for certain types of businesses in this country and it's for the states to follow. yet there isn't any penalties in these bills that will force the states to do this.

hence, the reason why we have sanctuary cities, states, and things of that nature. if we put a bill out there, that bill should go ahead and penalize the states that do not follow through with the bill. what i mean by penalty is at least a 25% reduction in state funding from federal funds. this way the people can actually hold their elected officials accountable for what they're doing in their states. host: are you hearing those details from the candidates in the campaign? caller: absolutely nothing along those lines. actually, to be perfectly honest with you, i want people to actually, if they have any resources to look up that 16-page bill for social security, and then implement this with the federal highway tax that we get on every purchase of gasoline, you will see that if you ran it the same way that social security, we

wouldn't have the infrastructure problems that we have today because all of that money would be going to the states for the infrastructure. we don't have that today. what we have is we have these political acts that siphon every dime from every place that they get money. host: thanks very much for the call from new york. this is from jack huten. an editorial this morning. the democrats adult campaign.

in the headlines from the washington examiner focusing on senator ted cruz who won a couple of key carbgcusses yesterday. al is joining us on the phone. >> thanks for having me. host: let me go back to that headline. he is in puerto rico hoping to pick up a win. right now he is down according to the real clear politics analysis of the polling in his home state of florida. what's going on with his race? >> they're really trying to spin what happened yesterday after cruz and trump split the four victories saying how cruz is a regional candidate even kansas goes and wins and maine. so that argument is kind of

moot. it's interesting. he's having trouble. it's a big thing. it's hurting him as far as news coverage and momentum. that's what's hurting him. they talk about delegates all the time. we get that. but at some point you've got to win a couple of times and you've got to keep the narrative on your side. host: why so many troubles in his home state of florida? >> first things first. you have to go back to 2013 the gang of eight. he went along with that. i talked to a lot of people and people say if he wouldn't have gone along he would be the hands down front runner for the republican nomination right now. that really hurt him in the eyes of a lot of people. he said he wasn't going to go along with amnesty before he got in the senate. and then he went along and tried to get something done. for better or worse. he tried doing that. and the bill didn't turn out the way he probably intended and it's hurt him in the long

run. so it's unfortunate for him as far as this race is concerned. so i think that's first and foremost. texance i've ells done exactly what i've told you . so it's interesting that right now especially with ten days to go blfer florida. host: let me ask you about governor john kasich. he is in columbus, ohio. we'll have live coverage at 2:30. he will be joined by governor arnold schwarzenegger but the best he did yesterday was coming in third in the maine caucuses. he is yet to win a primary or caucus. so what's his path forward? >> i don't think he has a path forward. even if he wins ohio i don't think he has much of a path forward because he's really not playing anywhere else. he keeps touting this very

narrow window to victory. it's probably -- it's one not likely to come to fruition for him. so it's -- it's still kind of baffles me why he's still in this race. he says he has a path. we'll see. but i'm very, very skeptical at this point. host: if you were to put the statistics or the odds of, i'm not going to call it a fwrokerd convention. but if it was a contested convention in cleveland based on what we saw last night in maine and kansas and nebraska and louisiana, what are the chances on the republican side that that could happen between donald trump and a chief competitor? right now ted cruz? >> said about 20, 25% right now. i think it gets higher every week at this point. especially after last night. ted cruz winning in maine. no one expected him to win really. it's important for him. and he has -- i mentioned

earlier about the narrative. he's got the narrative on his side. he's won six states so far. he's doing good things for his campaign. and the long -- the more longer this goes on, obviously better chance it goes. but trump still needs to win about 50% of the delegates going forward. i find that hard to believe that that's going to happen. that he is going to get those dell gapts. i just think -- by the time july 25 rolls around. host: we should point out the republicans do not have super delegates. the democrats do. more available on line. thank you very much for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. ost: this tweet.

this morning from the weekly standard. more from yesterday's campaign events. warren, michigan was the stop for bernie sanders. more of what he had to say last night. >> please do not forget that trump was one of the leaders of the so-called birth movement trying to delegitimize the

resident of the united states. i have found it interesting that they went after president obama because his father was born in kenya. my father was born in poland. nobody asks me for my birth certificate. maybe it just has something to do with the color of my skin. i don't know. we will defeat donald trump because the american people know that togetherness standing together trump divisiveness. the american people know that community helping each other trump's selfish ntsdz.

and most importantly, the erican people know and every religion teaches this that love trumps hatred. host: senator bernie sanders last night in warren, michigan. and tweets on donald trump's events yesterday. part of your comments.

caller: good morning. host: how are you? caller: i am very good. i just want to say i live in miami for 15 years. i am a republican. trump m for donald because he has so many different things to bring to this country. ted cruz and marco rubio. marco is a floridaen. he lives blocks away from my house. florida and miami is the worst on medicare fraud. how can we have a person running for the president of this country who allows in the state that he is the senator to have such a fraud in such a huge magnitude? and donald trump to tell you the truth he as very smart guy. i know people who work for his company. he's a very well employer. very good employer. he is the nicest person.

people have to stop repeating he rhetoric about donald trump being a bad person being a person who is going to destroy the republican party. he is going to bring the good. he is not going to follow any of the direction of the people in the establishment. he is a person with his own ideas and the person who is going to bring the best. host: do you remember six years ran for enator rubio the senate >> i didn't vote for him. marco rubio is a republican but he did not present to me any good quality to be a senator. host: thanks for the call from miami, florida. senator rubio is in puerto rico hoping to pick up a handful of delegates in that u.s. territory. and trying to get some moment fumtum as he moves on to the

florida primary which he said is a state that he will win. michigan, ohio, the winner take all states. part of the rule changes as the g.o.p. put forth its so-called autopsy back in 2012 after mitt romney losing the direction. trying to change the dynamics. e have this tweet. the "washington post" this morning with an extensive story on hillary clinton and her e-mails.

clinton's authorship now considered classified would complicate her efforts that argue she never put secrets at risk. nearly three quarters have determined that material she wrote in the body of the email smedges was classified. she sometimes initiated the conversation but more times replied with brief reactions to ongoing discussions. she also said the analysis of using a nonsecure email system to send sensitive information was wide spread at the department and elsewhere in the government. ken is joining us next. good morning. we'll go then to anthony in new jersey. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i believe it's the best thing that the cable industry has ever put together.

host: we approve that message. thank you. caller: i've been a democrat all my life. i voted once for a republican back in 1976. i'm just snot sure why all the -- not sure why all the republicans try to see who is the furthest to the right because if they keep moving on the table they're going to fall off. also have a question why during this political season it eems that the newscastors have turned political journalism into an edition for entertainment tonight. i know they have hours to fill and i get donald trump is sazz good as any sitcom. since t that i believe it's news they should at least be covering all the candidates somewhat equally. and i think you do a disservice

to your viewers who can either watch, complain, swear at it, or turn it off. we've hink that the more been inundated with political journalism for the last year and the election is still nine months away or eight months away. i think we should start focusing or the news -- the news industry should start focusing on what candidates stand for not the bomastic statements that they make or refuse to make. thank you very much for this time. host: thanks very much for the call. is morning jonathanen of the "new york times."

host: shane from ohio. guest: how are you? host: fine, thank you. caller: i'm calling in today to discuss my feelings about the race and why trump is probably the best person available that's running to fix the problems that we have in our country. host: and that person is? caller: donald trump. donald trump believes in american exceptionalism. he is somebody that sees the opportunities that we have before us but also see it is pitfalls of the last 16 years of failed policies in washington that have led us into the position we're in economically and also as a leader in the world. and he's the only person that's going to be able to negotiate

our position back to strength. he's the only one that people see as somebody that says what they feel and mean. they're not sorry to say it. they say what everybody else thinchings. and he will never back down from a position that he has when it comes to the american citizen. when it comes to the american government and people that are looking forward a leader that's what we need. host: thanks for the call from ohio from inside the "new york times." senator cruz pulling out a decisive victory in kansas as five states go to the polls this weekend. another viewer tweeting on the "washington post" story.

>> how many watch mob movies? when paulie flips and goes to the feds it ain't good for fat tony. and they're -- i'm going to grant in so much trouble for that. you have a bad effect on me. >> i know. >> i notice i get blamed for all this. but listen it is the fact that immunity that has been granted to the person who sets up the server means that he can't plead the fifth, that he has to spill the beans. and i guarantee they're asking what did secretary clinton know and what did she know it? and i will say this. in the general election, we've never had a general election debate convened at levinworth. but this year might be the first. >> i hope she likes orange

pants suits. i can say it i'm a talk show host. i can get away with anything i want. >> shawn, orange is the new democratic blue. host: shawn henty with senator ted cruz who by the way won the cpac conference yesterday in a straw vote about 3,000 conservative activists at national harbour, maryland outside of washington, d.c. coming in second senator rubio. a distant third donald trump who opted out of his appearance yesterday went to wichita, kansas. politico has this story. of course we're on hold here and a few things have come up since bernie's speech and

hillary clinton's email. the offer of immunization is very telling to me. if nothing is going on why would you need immupety? we'll have to see where that goes. bernie's speech he said his father was from poland. did his father come here and become a citizen before bernie was born? host: he did. as a matter of fact, we did a lengthy interview with senator anders on our website. both his poornts came -- parents came from poland. guest: i think there's loot of speeches out there on the right now. of course marco rubio's parents were cuban nationals when he was born. but i would like to say

mething in response to a caller seeing not enough turnout. i'm concerned about that too. on super tuesday all we hear are delegates and percentages. let me tell you republicans are coming out in record numbers. i would share this with you in virginia over a million republicans came out to vote in the primary as opposed to 750,000 who came out for the democrats. now, that was very telling to me because in 2008 and 2012 virginia voted blue as you know. now, during that whole super tuesday thing it was amazing how many republicans have showed up. we can't forget what happened in 2010. it's called pushback politics.

more you bash trump, the more people come out and support him. as a matter of fact, i've alms said you would think the liberal media has figured this out. but to go back to super tuesday you have to track colorado because they're democrat. doing that it's amazing the number of republicans who are showing up. this is an observation because i'm an independent but i'm a little concerned for republicans. john kasich's the only guy who acts with any dignity. he's over to the side. i don't understand that. it amazes me that mitt romney came out and embarrassed himself. and then cruz and rubio are asked at the debate if they would support trump if he got the nomination. yeah. i will support him. and here's romney. you know, there's such disarray. and by the way, mark sanford said he would not vurpt trump.

that's amazing because he's up for election and trump is very popular. host: i'm going to stop you there. we have a lot more people to weigh in. but people have been talking about the delegates. it comes to the delegates for democrats and republicans. let's first begin with republicans and donald trump as 378 compared to 295 for ted cruz. marco rubio 123 delegates. and kasich has 34. look at the difference between hillary clinton and senator bernie sanders with 2300 needed for the nomination on the democratic side. the former secretary of state has 1,121 compared to 479 for senator sanders. and a final comment from david ho has this sweet.

"newsmakers" follows the washington journal." talked about the dispute over between democrats and republicans to replace the late justice anten scalia. here's a portion of that program. >> anything in the constitution that guarantees a nom knee hearings and a vote? >> well, the constitution says we shall advise and consent. that is usually interpreted to advise and you could vote no but there's never been a time never been a time. >> but if the advice is wait until after the election? >> no. well, let's have the courage to do it and have the hearings but at least have the hearings. there has never been a time, never been a time that the supreme court nominee was denied a chance to have a hearing and a vote. we've even had supreme court

nominees that were defeated with members of the president's own party voting against them so they didn't have a majority vote. we still say let them go forward and let them have a vote of the whole senate because we're not elected to vote maybe. we're elected to vote yes or no. this is a very critical position. i don't think the american people are going to take very kindly the united states senate saying we're not going to do our job, we don't have the courage to vote yes or no. >> if i can follow up on the nastiness question. one of the things the democrat leader said senator grassley will go down as the most obstructionist judiciary chairman in history. he was comparing it to the judiciary chairman during the civil rights era who were blocking civil rights issues. do you agree with that?

>> i will let them speak for themselves. i was i remember when chairman soft judiciary committee, i made a decision when names would come up and when they come up for a vote nd i made sure they did. this is not what's happening now. >> our guest this week is vermont senator patrick leahy the ranking member of the senate judiciary committee. he also offers his insights on the 2016 campaign and his upcoming appearance in the latest batman movie. tune in to "newsmakers." welcome zoe carpenter. good morning. thanks for being with us. let's first talk about the rultsdz yesterday with senator sanders winning a couple key contests including in kansas.

secretary clinton winning in louisiana. does this change the race? guest: i don't think it changes significantly. but it keeps it moving for senator sanders. i think it really gives him the ammunition to be able to say we're fighting this out. we're here to win. we're not just here as a protest candidate. host: "washington post" writing about the email controversy. according to the latest investigation, about 104 e-mails that she sent were deemed classified. hillary clinton saying repeatedly that anything that she sent was not classified. how big a story is this? guest: i don't think it's that big of a story this is going to be used by the right wing spin machine for sure but in terms of what the democratic voters are in i think the economic message of the candidates, i think how they're talking about wall street, trade, and how they're talking about other issues is going to be more important than hillary clinton's e-mails especially since bernie sanders has shied

away from attacking her on the basis of those e-mails. host: so far hillary clinton almost at the halfway point just over 1100 that includes the super delegates and sanders campaign claiming that's unfair. senator sanders has 479 delegates at the moment with an eye on tuesday's primary in michigan. host: so hillary clinton is ahead in the super delegates as you said. that's not a surprise. we've known that was going to be the case. there are still a lot of states. sanders does have an uphill battle but he is in the race. we're looking forward to michigan next. and then there are still some very big prizes out there. california for example. so the race is still very much in flux. host: the "new york times" pointing out that senator sanders reaching the 5 million mark, 5 million people who have contributed to his campaign. hillary clinton making a comment that she's reached a 1 million mark. so a big difference in who is supporting.

guest: it's an astonishing figure. he does seem to have so much enthusiasm from small donors and at his rallies and everything we're seeing this outpouring of support for him. so that's -- they're forcing the clinton campaign to spend a lot of cash. so it's very much still a competitive race even if clinton is ahead in the delegate count. host: this is an election where the white house, congress, and the supreme court all essentially on the ballot with the passing of justice scalia. how big a factor is that? is it energying them to go to the polls? how do you see it? guest: i think its is a factor. in the senate we're seeing this play out. chuck grassley is facing what could be a primary cheage. john mccain is getting hit over this. i think this is going to be a big issue going forward. in the presidential race, it's

not playing out in the primary right now because of course both bernie sanders and hillary clinton support the president's constitutional authority to make a nomination. and on the republican side, everyone is sort of united also on this path of most obstruction. so i think it remains to be seen how this plays out in the presidential contest. i think it will be after the nomination that is we really see that become a more heated topic for discussion. host: maine democratic caucus today. michigan and mississippi on tuesday. then next week a cohenle of big primaries including florida and ohio. on the democratic side where do you see this going? senator sanders and secretary of state clinton. guest: the battle shufts to focus on economic issues for places like michigan that's been hit hard. we've already seen clinton honing in on that economic message of encouraging companies to pursue economic patriotism i believe is the

term that she used. and so i think that the race has sort of a different tone now that we move away slightly from the south although as we said mississippi is still to be contended. but this focus on with american workers we'll hear a lot in the coming days. host: our guest, zoe carpenter. the associate washington editor for the nation. let me get your reaction to one exchange on the republican debate on the issue of trade. this from the fox news channel. >> as far as domestic policy and trade, which is killing our country, he said free trade. and i believe in free trade also. but if you look at china and if you look at japan, mexico, both at the border where they're killing us, both at the border and with trade. and every other country we do business with we're getting absolutely crushed on trade. he said, free trade? i say free trade great but not when they're beating us so badly. with china we're going to lose

505 billion dollars in terms of trade. you just can't do it. mexico, $58 billion. japan, probably about they don't know it yet but about $109 billion. every country we lose money with as far as i'm concerned we've got to reduce, we've got to redo our trade deals 100%. i have the greatest business people in the world lined up to do it. we will make great trade deals. host: from the debate last week with donald trump. right now the republican front runner. your thoughts and how it's going to play out. guest: this is really interesting. i think this is part of the key is that he is talking about this message of economic populism. he's talking about how trade has impacted american industries. and i think that's part of the reason why he is so popular. what's interesting is that we hear in so many ways similar critiques circulating within the democratic primary between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. but the major difference is

that trump chooses to scapegoat immigrants and to make this sort of racial appeal mixed in with his economic message where bernie sanders is talking more about the structural issues and the thing that is we can do to make the economy work from the bottom up to work for the workers, restoring power, to labor, and capturing putting some of those gains back to workers and families. host: let me put the hypothetical hillary clinton, donald trump, there is no third party. if you look at states traditionally strong democratic states, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, which is a swing state but leans towards democrats. new york. can you envision that these states would be in play for donald trump and the republicans based on this issue? guest: i think the democrats do have to worry about a certain slice of white working class voters who haven't been with the democrats in past years already. this is not going to be a new

problem for hillary clinton. some of the polling indicates that bernie sanders is stronger with a lot of those voters and that dommed trump could pull some of them away or at least keep them. so that would be a big challenge for hillary clinton is getting that slice of the electorate back to the democratic party. certainly i think it depends on whether trump continues to demagogue on racial issues and if hillary clinton can make an appeal to the better more or less of voters and make the case that there are really much bigger structural issues besides immigration that we have these kinds of deindustrialization problems. host: we've had discussions. haring this tweet. we should pointed out that when we put the numbers we include the super delegates because those are delegates elected officials party officials who have pledged to either senator sanders or secretary clinton.

but what about that idea? these could switch and change the dynamics. guest: i think it's possible. a lot of people wrote off sanders early as a protest candidate. as his campaign gain strength and as he shows that he really zruzz a lot of support from a wide spatsdz of democratic voters, perhaps we might see people reconsider their loyalty to hillary clinton. i do think in general, though, that the super delegates represent usually the elite of the party and she is the choice of the democratic establishment and the media in most cases. host: we welcome our listeners on sirius ex-im. live every sunday morning. of course those listening on c-span radio. our guest is zoe carpenter. the nation. randy joining us from michigan. good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to start out by thanking you and all the men

and women that put on this great show for the job they do for this nation. and thank you ms. carpenter for being our guest this morning. i am a 59-year-old so i'm kind of in that lost generation group. i'm not really with the baby boomers but my question to you ms. carpenter is how are the millenals? are they starting to come out? i mean, i would like to know -- i've heard. are we at the tipping point where we're finally starting to get more of the young people involved in voting as opposed to us old farts on the other end of the deal? i guess i see the generational divide because i am really not with hillary. i've never, ever voted for a republican president in my life. and i walk in rainstorms snowstorms knock on doors. but if it comes down to hillary and trump i've got to vote for donald trump. i don't see any difference between them on their policies. except for mrs. clinton is i

believe a little bit more of a war hawk. and that's what kind of worries me. but thank you. that's what i wonder how the millenials are they starting to come thank you very much for being our guest this morning. goodbye. guest: thanks for the question. i think this year, like every election year, the enthusiasm of young people has been discounted more than it should be. if you look at the crowd coming out for bernie sanders in particular, it is very young. if you look at the campaign staffers running the clinton campaign and the sanders campaign are made up by really inspiring smart young people who are working really hard. the contribution of millennials in terms of what they are doing for the campaigns and what they are doing to show up at the primary rallies is significant. the other thing i would point to is the issue is millennials are pushing and the activism they are pushing the conversation.

i would look at black lives 15, thoseght for movements and the climate movements are largely being shaped by young people, and we are seeing they are having a large impact in the conversation the candidates are now having. that is one way the millennials are having an impact. i think there are some structural issues in the american political system that make a lot of young people think they do not have a voice. big money in politics is certainly one of those things. we worry about apathy among the younger generation, particularly for young people who do not have great chances economically and great education opportunities. in order to get them turned out, we need to have a political system in which they feel confident their voice is actually going to be heard. , who this is from donna says young people he to be fed

up with the old and take over this country. you mentioned the millennials, the kids on the bus is the piece this morning from the style section of the "new york times." you can read it online as well at nytimes.coim. let's go to david next. good morning. caller: hello. how are you doing? ok, is it the nation? i didn't see the magazine on facebook. i have structural issues i want to see if she agrees or thinks they will be next. prohibition seems to take away from all of the respect given to the police. i believe we need to work on progressive liberties. taxi wanted to know is constitutional with all of the

little town, counties, and states voting access to our personal properties? host: first of all, property taxes. donald trumprd i talk about limited domain -- imminent domain. i think that is when he is speaking to. host: the nation? guest: "the nation" magazine. thenation.com. a caller from utah on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i will start with cudos two people i don't like -- to people i don't like or trust. bernie sanders and donald trump stimulated a nonvoting sector. when you have 40% of the people that normally vote in these national elections, they

stimulated the other 50%. we need that in a democracy. we need participation. , in to my question for zoe regards to hillary clinton, her qualifications, her ability. we have been at war since 2002. receivingding, e-mails on a server that is not secure. it does not matter if she knew about it or not. national security was at risk. national security of this country and people's lives were at risk because of her actions. host: your response. going i think it we are to be concerned about national security and the implications of hillary clinton for national security, i would look far beyond the e-mail scandal and look at her decision-making in , look at her

foreign-policy stance in other areas. if you are concerned about the butils, that is your right, i think that is an area where bernie sanders has not pushed hillary clinton as much as he could in terms of her foreign policy positions at her somewhat hawkish record. host: we can see that in the latest debate tonight in flint, michigan. the have always been progressives, but why has bernie sanders been successful in tapping into it? guest: i think because he has a story to tell. he is able to explain why the fear that people are feeling, the economic hardships, why they are feeling that. a muchble to put it in broader story about the way the system has been rigged against working people. this is a conversation that has been developing for several years since the economic collapse. he is not the only one having it, but he is tapping into this

moment we have had almost eight years of a democratic president, and we hear a really rosy story about the economy broadly about jobs coming back and gdp rebounding, but that mainstream story does not align with the experience of a lot of people in terms of how much they are still struggling from the recession and 40 years of a mismatch between productivity and wages. he is tapping into that asked there. host: we were with hillary clinton on friday in detroit, michigan. she outlined her issues. it is available on www.c-span.org. yesterday, we were with senator sanders in michigan. let's watch. [video clip] >> millions of good jobs lost, communities devastated, jobs moved overseas. only one candidate for president has consistently pot trade

deals for shipping jobs overseas, bernie sanders. he opposed the nafta trade deal. now he is opposing the transpacific trade deal while others waffle. for jobs, for us, burning. -- bernie. host: how will this issue unfold tonight in the debate and tuesday in the michigan primary? guest: what we are likely to hear is both candidates talking about supporting workers and planning to grow the economy within this jobs based plan. hillary clinton tends to indict individual bad actors. if you look at the economic plan she released recently, she is really focusing on the companies that outsource or the companies that move overseas to avoid tax regulations. she wants to discourage those companies from doing it. the basic assumption for my plan like that is the problem in the economy are a few bad actors.

the difference with what sanders is pushing is the idea that the whole system needs to be indicted, and he is inviting the whole system. it is not just a few bad companies. it is the way we structure the balance of power between workers and bosses. it is the amount of money people and get ad to make special tax treatments, and things of that nature -- treatments and things of that nature. sanders is much more willing to frame this as a real struggle with villains and perhaps heroes. host: let us go to matt joining us from beverly, massachusetts, independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. ms. carpenter --ked about crushing out

us all haves above socialistic governmental policies. thank you. host: thank you. guest: i think the negative association people have with andalism are knee-jerk, they are often coming from a place of not knowing what that means. medicare is an incredibly popular program. social security is a popular program. those are the most socialist programs we have in the united states. we don't think of them as being socialist now. what bernie sanders is trying to do is give real examples of what socialism means because the itself aslf -- word

so much baggage attached to it, politically. .ost: this is a tweet in reference to senator sanders. another thing how can he possibly get this done? free tuition and raising minimum wage and basically expanding the government. guest: you can say that about any policies, and we would never get anything done, right? having the idea behind policies is we need to set the bar high because if you will have to compromise eventually come you don't want to give away too much at first. the obama administration has been too willing to compromise at the outset. single-parent health care, hillary clinton has been clearing the path for the single-parent health care system .

would be the most feasible and advisable program for this country. and live her supporters are now saying we can never have single-parent health care. they once supported the idea. there is hypocrisy in this idea that bernie sanders's policy platform is too radical. this is a policy platform. it may not be exactly what might happen if you becomes president, but he is setting out what his vision would be. whether it is practical or not. host: there is no difference whatsoever between socialism and progressivism. guest: that is what a lot of people think. in thelook at polling republican party, a vast majority of republican voters think there is no difference between the democratic party and socialism. wonderingf if you are who is more electable, hillary clinton or bernie sanders, and whether being a self-described

democratic socialist will be a liability for sanders, for republican voters, they don't care. it is all the same. host: this is from senator elizabeth warren taking heat on the clinton-sanders battle. the only female democratic senator who has not endorsed hillary clinton. guest: i am not surprised she is not weighing in here. i don't think this is much of a story, necessarily. there is drama the media can stir up. if she wants to make an endorsement, she will. host: tim tebow, florida, a,publican line. -- tamp florida, republican line. thank you for waiting. caller: thank you for the open mic. my biggest concern right now is the veterans. i am a disabled vet. i have been waiting 10 years for my v.a. claim. with bernie sanders, he was in charge of the veterans affairs committee and he did not really

do anything. it was jeff miller and the house of representatives that made all the issues and has brought out all these facts. i can see donald trump bringing --k the republican party bringing back, the republican party used to be known as the progressive party. another great progressive was teddy roosevelt. he was given the vice presidency because he made a lot of noise in the republican party, and he became president because of mckinley's death. by theee a move republicans to the right a little bit when they are starting to talk about the people. teddy roosevelt took on a lot of the big corporations, standard oil, the railroads, and unfair labor laws, and he also started the parks system. hostld like to see if your

thinks that way also. i also voted for donald trump in the early voting here in florida. i don't think rubio is qualified because he has only been here six years, and he took over for mel martinez, and he did not due to good of a job -- not do too good of a job in the senate. guest: bernie sanders has received some criticism for being slow to realize the scale of the v.a. scandal. if you look at other areas of his record, his single point you to a live examples of him fighting for veterans efforts and protecting the v.a. from cuts and things like that. how trump stands on veterans issues, one thing that might be interesting to consider is how trump would use american military power. are we going to start a bunch of other wars and create another

healthion with issues a comment. froma host: viewer based on earlier conversations we had that -- health issues. host: a comment from a viewer based on earlier conversations we had. is something bernie sanders supporters have been frustrated with. mean, if we are truly the greatest nation on earth, which so many candidates like to say, why can't we afford to send our children to school? not just college, but why can't we figure out how to fund basic elementary schools properly? yes, bernie sanders describes himself as a socialist, but his ideas are not extreme and are very popular with voters.

host: this courtesy of the "huffington post." don't assume sanders supporters will back hillary clinton if she is the nominee. caller todayrd a talk about how he is a birdie supporter but he would rather support trump than hillary. hillary has some real issues with on favorability ratings among voters. there are a lot of people who want a candidate who seems like they are going to take on special interest. whether or not they are right to believe trump would take on special interests is another , trump and bernie sanders's share the outside candidates being entrenched against political powers and special interests. host: our guest is the associate

washington editor for the nation. and her from pittsburgh, the from pittsburgh, the democrats line. caller: i am calling because i am disgusted with my government. i love my country. democratss saying the debtraised the national for all these years, it is actually both parties. both parties are responsible for what this country is in right now. if the republican party wants to bash the democrats that's dis, but why do they discus gust each other and treat each other with thi disrespect. i believe this country is run by congress, not the

president of the united states. it is a shame to have to argue and fight and not get anything done. they should compromise. the trades of our country gone to new york mainly because we are not teaching kids carpentry and electricians and plumbing. everybody assumes all these kids will go to college and get great jobs. that is fine. what about the kids that do not go to college? that cant this country be in structure, built by noncollege people? host: we will get a response. thank you for the call. guest: a lot of points wrapped up in there. ever since barack obama was elected, the republican party has elected a strategy of maximum obstruction. it has been preaching this message that he is an illegitimate president, perhaps not explicitly.

this gridlock we are seeing, i think it is not an accident. it is really a choice. we are seeing that played out in the supreme court nomination fight right now. on the question of education, point taken that the question is about college affordability, but what do we do to support the kids who are not going to college? that is a valid question. host: hillary clinton in detroit on friday outlining her agenda for economic issues, trade, the economy, and jobs. the full speech on our website c-span.org. secretary quinton: that his campaign -- secretary clinton: i throughout this campaign i said raising jobs and minimum wage is important. we need growth that is strong, fair, and long-term. that is why we need a new

bargain for the new economy. a new bargain to ensure that the jobs of the future are good paying american jobs, the kind of provide both good income and the dignity, pride, and sense of purpose that come when you have something to look to when you get up in the morning. the people i met as i was walking here with ed were all ,eople who fit that description product what they are doing, grateful for the opportunity to be part of a team that respect one another, looking to continue the growth that this company has enjoyed. that is the kind of jobs we want, and you are creating them again in michigan. some of the most exciting technological breakthroughs are happening right here. not in china. not in germany. but in michigan.

host: that message as she tries to resonate with michigan voters, a state that has been decimated by general motors and the car industry. the joint itself losing from 2 million residents down to about 700,000 that live in the motor city. guest: this will be debate focus of the campaign the next couple of days, this question about american jobs. how we keep jobs at home and how we make good jobs. hillary clinton speaking to those issues. again, her critique is not so much a structural critique of the way the american economic system has been rigged. that is what you will hear from senator sanders most likely. i think the question for voters is if they think hillary clinton's proposal will go far proposals will go far enough and will not be enough to stability economy to create a kind of well-paying sustainable jobs she is talking about and

that. host: i want to ask you why you think the democrat party has moved to the left and the republican party to the right. joining us on the independent line, good morning with zoe carpenter of "the nation." go-ahead. good morning -- go ahead. good morning. caller: good morning, c-span. i'm calling about the endorsement of told the gathered gabbert. she gave a warning of the war hawks. number one, the loss of lives and limbs. number two, in the loss of the world's respect. number three, the nation's treasury being spent on the building of other nations instead of our nation being rebuilt and maintained.

the libya fiasco was of hillary's choice, of her own doing. in regards to a trump-sanders presidential debate, i think trump dodged the military service with a lie, and bernie protested with an outright honest declaration of conscientious objector. burning winds that argument -- bernie wins that argument. i think he wins the debate. host: thank you. guest: the endorsement was a big coo for sanders. i think this critique of hillary clinton clinton's foreign policy is one that sanders can use very well to his advantage. the iraq war is not as fresh in everyone's mind as it was when barack obama and his hillary's boat for the war against are

very effectively in the primary. continued to be involved in conflicts, drone conflicts and things that we do , butike to call a war a quick to a war -- but equate to a more. -- to a war. it is a question that she should really have to question. theirocons think worldview aligns with her and if that is what democratic voters want? someone who perhaps shares their ideas with regime change and things like that. host: we have a few more minutes with our guest. a tweet from mike. guest: it is an interesting

point. i think there is a whole variety of factors that are way beyond local representation that have decimated detroit. globalization, the way america workerstured, the way do not benefit from their corporation's gains. we should look to it happened in detroit and beyond the decisions made by political leaders. host: from columbus, georgia, the republican line. danny, good morning. caller: thank you for receiving my call. i have noticed, i have been watching this thing, and i keep watching hillary. line withng the obama blacks.g should ever talks about young white guys -- she never talks

about young whites. always got this looking for the black vote, but you never see her going after the -- how about the young white man? we never get talked about. it is like we are forgot about. host: thank you. guest: this is something the democratic party has struggled with, young white voters. bernie sanders has a much easier time connecting with them. they tried to recapture this obama coalition. she talked about trying to continue his legacy. voters ofe pitch to color. she has much more success in connecting with that group then young white voters. it is true.

host: good morning. caller: my question is, in this is assuming hillary clinton nominee.he not m will bernie sanders endorse her? guest: it remains to be seen. the sender's campaign said they are in this all the way to the convention -- the sanders campaign said they are in this all the way to the convention. they decided they would not challenge hillary clinton if she is the nominee. they would not challenge her as an independent. i think we have heard suggestions that if hillary wins the nomination, he will support her. what the extent of that support looks like, i don't know. host: from miami, good morning. caller: good morning.

i am curious. i have been hearing that mrs. clinton is untrustworthy and very devious. single citingne of why anybody calls are like that. the only thing i have seen so far is they say she lied to the people. the four people died in benghazi. you look at the benghazi incident. i know a lot of people disrespect the policies. sayinggine you come out there is a terrorist operation going on in benghazi. east is of the middle probably saying we are sitting and not doing anything at all. what if you actually said this

is because of a religious thing? they might laugh at it. this is not necessary at this particular time. tension saying that. secondly, i noticed he is being criticized again -- she is being criticized again for agreeing with president bush to go to iraq. this is what you call giving the president the benefit of the doubt. not like what the republicans are doing. no. being a laughingstock. you cannot nominate -- host: thank you very much for the call. we will get a response. guest: this question of hillary clinton being accused of being devious, i think that is an example of how these critiques against her our personality critiques.

in some cases, they are driven by sexism, the fact that she has been a woman in the public eye for some time, at her reputation has been battered by these ceaseless unending right-wing critiques. i think that her personality should not be the foremost concern for voters, whether she is a devious person or not. that is one of the benefits of having sanders in the race from is having a real discussion between two candidates about issues, not just her personality. host: let me go back to the earlier point about the two political parties becoming more democratic or republican. or conservative on the republican side, more liberal on the democratic side. ,uest: in terms of why populism what we mean by further left and

isht, wide that message resonating so much is because of the economic collapse and because of 40 years of gradual -- halloweenf the out of the economy. out of the economy. this extremity in the party has a lot to do with the use of racially coded messages to whip up support of the white base of the party. it has to do with this real strategy of painting barack obama as an illegitimate president. we have seen a gradual hardening of this extreme message on that side. now it is coming back to bite me party in the form of donald trump. host: zoe carpenter with "the nation" magazine. thank you for being with us. guest: thanks for having me. host: we will turn our attention

to that topic. from a university and the author of a new book called "american gridlock." first, the cities tour continues on c-span2's book tv. we travel to anaheim, california. american history tv. a look at the ku klux klan in the 1920's. here is a preview. we are going to talk about anaheim in the 1920's. of timeific period where anaheim became known as klanaheim because of the ku klux klan and the presence in the county, particularly anaheim,

and the activities that occurred. one of the ways you can see that is this wonderful panoramic view that we have in our collection that was taken probably at the activity inf klan anaheim. it was taken in huntington beach. one of the things i noticed first was the fact that they are not hiding their faces. they are all exposed. you will see that the front of the crowd are women, and that there are a number of young children that are dressed in the regalia as well. it is a significant number of people you are seeing in this group, so it does lend support to the fact that it was a large group. probably not in the thousands as was sometimes claimed by the clan, was certainly more than a couple hundred people i would think. host: we hope you tune in this weekend on c-span2's tv

programming and c-span3's american history tv as the city's tour continues to anaheim california. yo-- anaheim, california. you can check out our programming online. we want to welcome professor james thurber. book,the author of a new "american gridlock: the sources, character, and impact of political polarization." good morning. guest: good to see you. host: why are we so polarized? guest: there is a variety of reasons. one is that we have sorting going on. it is a phenomenon where people move to where they agree with each other. they stay there. if you live in downtown baltimore, you are african-american. you are around people you agree with. in rural america, you have people that agree with you also. the theory is you move to areas where there are people you agree with.

if you don't, you keep your mouth shut when you begin to be like the people around you. redistricting is drawing lines around those things. redistricting is a partisan phenomenon around the united states. redistricting for state legislatures as well as the house of representatives creates districts that are pretty safe. there are only 21 seats in the house right now that are estimated to be competitive out of 435. many of the state legislatures are dominated by one party. they are becoming polarized. reinforces this by having people go to places where valuesree with their own and not being challenged. the courts at the lower-level are becoming a bit polarized as well.

there is this polarization that goes on that creates a phenomena. the left and the right fighting each other with very few people in the middle. a statistic on that. in 1970's and 1980's, the house of representatives and the senate had a bout a third of its members voting together. anything we call common vote analysis when they vote together. a third. that was a governing coalition that created moderation and got things done. today, only 4% of the house and senate vote together. therefore, it is hard to get anything done. you have constituencies out there where the primary is the real election, and they are therefore, it is hard to get anythingreinforcing people sayig extreme things. if you use the term compromise, you get primaried. you get challenged in the primary by her own party. it is hard to win. the voters now are expecting some of this in the presidential

election on the left and especially on the right with donald trump. host: you write the following quote. income inequality and immigration have all increased dramatically in the united states over the past three decades. guest: yes. that the anger that you see as a result of some of these phenomena like immigration, but also income inequalities expressing itself on the right and left. if you are a moderate, a kasich or establishment republican, you are criticize because you are compromised moving to the middle. bernie sanders look is to the far lef. he was like he will not get the

nomination. we write about that in this book. the book is made up of some of the top scholars in the world writing about polarization for the media, the judiciary, the voters, in congress, and state legislatures. it is the first time we have all of that together. no one has brought it all together. we do that in this book. host: speaking about state issues, you and your colleagues write this. guest: we have all kinds of unintended consequences when reform occurs. i think that what is happening overall the state level is the party'she dominant

redistricting in a way for state, senate, and house seats to make sure they continue to dominate. until we have another census, we will not see that change. i accuse both parties of doing that. no one is out there saying let us have more competitive districts. by the way, other nations do this. canadated kingdom and and new zealand and australia have commissions that do redistricting. they have equal populations compact. they are bringing about more competition. i believe in competition. my colleagues believe in competition. competition will bryn bring more moderation. host: you have been teaching for how many years? guest: i have been there since 1974, but i have been in and out of government in certain impossible reform activities like redistricting and committee reform and campaign finance

reform. always failed reforms i have been in and out working on that these years. grader i a top ugh should point out. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you guys doing? host: fine, thank you. caller: please do not cut me off here. another useless academic. my mother did not want me to go into academia. you are along with her values. host: why be so direct with a guest the has agreed to come here on a sunday morning? caller: let me get to the point. the reason we are having this incredible gridlock and everything, and this is the reason the tea party arose in the first place, as we have gotten too far away from the constitution. let me give you an example.

i just watched the first few episodes of the roosevelts, an intimate history. the ken burns documentary. let me give you an example of when this all started. host: ok. teddy: when tony wa roosevelt filed an indictment from the department of justice without warning against j.p. morgan and the northern securities company for being a trust, that came out of nowhere. he invoked the sherman antitrust act to do so. was he within his rights as the president to do so? absolutely, he was. absolutely. he was within his rights. he was exercising his constitutional duty because congress had passed the sherman antitrust act in 1890. host: thanks for the call. you can respond to that. guest: i don't know if i am a

worthless academic. i think it is important for young people in america to understand the constitution like this individual and history. what we do is research, but we also teach people about how the system works. i do believe the president was within his right to do that. there is a controversy now over using executive order. way, this president has had fewer executive orders on average than almost any president for the last about 70 years. i agreethe questioner, him. he is within the constitutional rights to do that. host: our guest is james thurber. him. hehe has worked for among others senator hubert humphrey,

stephenson, congressman david ovi. he is author or editor of now nine books. john from misery is next on the democrats -- missouri is next on the democrats line. caller: good morning. this.d like to address thisiggest cause of disintegration of the american political system is rupert murdoch. he devised this country. h-- he divided this country. host: others would argue we are seeing that in the left as well. guest: the media are. it is plural.

we have competition among media. there is a particular source of media that gets it wrong, you have other people coming out with other facts. they try to get it early. they tried to get it right. of course, there are biases in the media, but not all media. the one thing we have right now especially among millennials and young people is they go to the internet to get their information, and they get it well before fox or other places present the media. the problem there is they go to places where they agree. they also go to places where they want to be entertained. sometimes, entertainment is not the best aspect of presenting material. i think that certainly fox is known to be conservative. murdoch is a conservative person. i don't think he is the reason we have division in america.

we have division in america based upon culture, race, and ideology, and the media does not control that. they reflect it to a greater extent. host: this is an editorial. last.s from jonathan it is called storm clouds. he makes a couple of points. isdonald trump wins what he calling a republican civil war, it can go the way of goldwater in 1964. is awe are hearing now good signal for the party that we could go to a conservative candidate. we had remnants of that from mitt romney's speech last week. he would open the door for a conservative candidate that would almost assuredly guilty hillary clinton's election in november -- guarantee hillary clinton's election in november. guest: the polarization of

voters, and you mentioned goldwater. we had reagan who ran against ford. it came right down to the convention, but he lost as an outside antiestablishment, really at sign northeastern establishment candidate. is -- there are a lot of the reason right now, but let us assume from gets the nomination -- assume trump gets the nomination. it is believed he will not do well in the nine battleground states. he has alienated women. he has alienated nonwhites, which make up a significant proportion of the electorate and are leading to the democrats. he has alienated other kinds of populations. he is likely to lose. what happens?

the republican party comes together and trusted figure out what happens, and there will be between thoseght that are establishment republicans and those that are these ne tea party people on the far right. i don't know what will come out of that. but if the party wants to continue, it has to is all that and reach out to nonwhite americans because the white americans will be a minority soon, and they need to reach out the way george w. bush wanted to do that as an establishment republican. that is what he wanted to do to broaden the base of the party. the party had a very low percentage in terms of already .d.compared -- part i host: here is what a summit the senate democrat leader said. >> donald trump is the

republican party's i can start -- party's frankenstein. the republican establishment act like it is surprised by donald trump and his victories across the country. demagogues the -- isg vile his winning winning. the act surprised public and voters in our failing -- voters are failing to support their candidate. shock and outrage that republican voters cheer his schoolyard taunts. even if they deny a fair hearing for the supreme court nominee

ever, the first time in history. republicans should not be surprised based on eight years laying the groundwork for the rise of donald trump. host: that was a statement of harry reid last wednesday. i want to share with you this editorial from earlier this month from the "wall street journal." guest: let's go back to harry reid also. i think he has expressed the democratic position of why this is happening, but it is more complex than that. it is not just that they have been bashing government for all

of these years and pushing far right agendas. the party really believes in smaller government. recent polls show 74% of republicans want smaller government. 81% of democrats want larger government. this is part of the division. when it comes to guns, pro-life, gay marriage, the parties are split in almost the same way. we have a clear external threat to the united states adding to your second question. america really likes to have a clear mission, a clear statement of what you will do about it. it may not be very realistic sometimes, but they want a strong leader. they see donald trump is a strong leader. one of the problems i see is we do not know specifics about what he will do as a leader, and then he changes those positions from time to time. he flips back and forth.

that will come out in the general election. we will have a debate probably between hillary and trump on this. they are looking for a strong leader. they are not looking for a nuanced leader. they are looking for someone who keeps it simple. he is attractive in the support,n party, great and he has drawn in some independents. i am waiting for the data. there is a certain he is bringing in candidates, democrats. i have not seen hard data on that point. host: the most important voting surprise, those who like donald trump like the fact that he says it like it is. it is an issue, of who can win november. hillary clinton doing well among african-american and older voters. bernie sanders doing well among younger voters.

let us go to robert in harrison, arkansas. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you. i have not heard one comment about jill stein's thoughts on this issue. nonprofits were designated for exclusively for social welfare purposes only. this thing called partisan nonprofits. we see money where their donors do not have to identify themselves. they commit not necessarily speaking for a party, but having a definite background, conservative, liberal, or progressive. they are carrying these messages uth orre basically mistr basic lies. one of the things is bernie sanders, who i did not vote for, but i thought he would have a

problem because he is legally socialist. when you look at this -- he is labeled a socialist. when you look at this, nonprofits, all of those that supply insurance to their people get that subsidized through the government. but when we talk about helping a person that is not a part of that group, that becomes socialism. host: we will get a response. robert, thank you. guest: he makes a good point. bernie sanders calls himself a democratic socialist. other people say that the social security system, medicare, medicaid, other supplements for people who are retired our socialist programs, progressive socialist programs. he wants to expand that for college students to reduce their education,or their try to bring in minimum wage.

it is very attractive because people have been hammered by this economy at one level. he talked about behind what he is saying or the super pac's pouring millions of dollars into these campaigns. let's put it in perspective. last time, the cycle, according to all accounts, the last presidential cycle in 2012 had $7 billion spent in the primaries, general elections for the house, senate, and including party money, money from super pac's. this time, it will probably go to $8 billion. one thing that we know is that the outside groups have not had that much impact. in fact, before going into this cycle, we thought oh my gosh, the money will come in and change the agenda.

donald trump has shown you can do this without a lot of outside money. it is a problem. people invest in campaigns, not just for democracy. they would like to have certain policies. many times from the super pac's where we do not know who the donors are, we do not know what they are spending until much later. they have an impact on the system. in terms of people distrusting what is going on, they cannot coordinate, all they need to coordinate. coordination is illegal. all you have to do is watch tv to coordinate. i think the story so far is money does not make that much difference. look at jeb bush. he had a lot of money, a lot of endorsements, and he barely got about 7% and dropped out in the campaigns. host: $140 million. guest: a lot of money.

more than anyone else before he went in. even a little more than hillary at the beginning. trump is not have a lot of outside money. he says he is spending this money himself. will find out a lot more about that later, but it was certainly not because of outside pac's like the koch brothers or something supported him. he has done it on his own. he has captured the anger of the people on the far right. host: "time" magazine has the cover story this week looking at donald trump and the split decision in yesterday's primaries and caucuses available on time.com. we welcome in james thurber. for listeners on c-span radio next inwe go to thomas holly hills, florida. good morning. caller: good morning.

guys haveknow you this book "american gridlock," and i think it when then 2000 republicans figured out a way to steal that 2000 presidential election through katherine harris, jeb bush, basically the supreme court. when all is said and done and all the votes were counted, he did not really win that election. started actually -- guest: gridlock started actually in the 1980's. we had fewer and fewer people elected into state legislatures that could be called moderate. a liberal republican and a moderate republican are

endangered species. secondly, we used to have blue dog democrats. democrats that were fiscal conservatives. they were voted in the middle with many of their colleagues in the 1970's, 1980's, and they started being redistricted. they lost. they are no longer around. about a third of the house and senate voting together in the 1980's to write now about 4%. when you got that, there is no incentive for members to move to the middle and challeng govern . that is reinforced by leaders in the house and senate that keep their group together against the public will. one example of that is the consideration to have a hearing for a nominee for the supreme court. they announced well in advanced in the senate they would not do

that. it is an example of reinforcing the base, getting people in the base of the far right to support them. the 2000 election is part of the history of this, of course, as well as the supreme court decisions that allow the growth of super pac's and a lot of other things. what is happening basically is the voters are sorting. the parties are reinforcing that. when you get to the general election when more people about, they say we imminent -- vote, they say wait a minute. they are angry. that is more important i think that the 2000 election. by the way, we have a constitutional framework that makes it hard to get anything done. we also have divided party government. we flip% of the time, back and forth since 1980

between the parties and the house dust in the house, senate, in the house,y -- - senate, and presidency. immigration is an example of that. we should have had an immigration bill along time ago. both parties are benefiting from not having that the cost at this point. that is more important than the 2000 election. host: barbara is next. massachusetts, democrat line. good morning. you arefirst of all, nothing but the useless academic -- you are a useful academic -- host: we appreciate you joining us. which reminds me, i won you guys at c-span to create the

"washington journal 100," the people won't vote and we will tell you who we want to see. we want to put crowns on their hands and we will do step showing their clips over the years. host: ok. thank you for the idea. caller: i heard that are blessed first president, george -- love him -- washington said, watch out for the political parties. they will do us in. i wondered the other night listening to trump, who was accused of flip-flopping positions, if what he is actually doing is deliberately unconsciously is a tactic to create a national unified platform on the remaining issues, in other words, he is picking the best sense for both sides. way,m it up in a funny they could beat from looking at the american electoral system and saying, you are fired. thank you.

host: thank you. guest: that is a great comment. let's start with the first one and remind the viewers of madison. it is written about how we have republic but we have to worry about it and what it will continue or not and it said, the where factions, they will undermine the public interest. the aware of then parties, they will undermine the public interest. specialized interest that will undermine the public interest. the american people sort of believe that. i think trump, to a great extent, and bernie sanders on the left and right are talking about these specialized interest undermining the public interest in their way. 'scannot add to the caller interesting comments about trump very i do not know what is going through trump's mind from day to day because he changes it so much. and sometimesual

it is wrong, but it does not make any difference. he goes on the next and changes neversition, so we have seen anything like this in american politics. he is unique. host: let's turn to robert in england. this program carried on the bbc parliament channel. good afternoon. caller: good morning, c-span and good morning. guest: good morning. host: thank you. part of the is international example of polarization. you mentioned media polarization earlier, but one of the things that you guys maybe are not u.s. and thehe weight the polarization of the u.k.'s media, about 30% of the u.k.'s media -- [indiscernible] basically, we only have the

paste and that is one of the reasons why i think most americans [indiscernible] u.k., we have this referendum which is when the most important decisions countries make discussing generations. what has happened is that you have got this conservative media ishe majority of the media held in london, as with the rest of the u.k. does not have the same media boats. what is happening in the american presidential elections major centers of national power, which should be places like atlanta, new york or

washington, and you have lots of regional media. oneasically means you have of the cities representing the actual proof of what is told as opposed to journalism. host: i will give our guests the chance to respond. thank you. guest: i lived in london and talked at the university of london many years ago, and about the fact that you had multiple papers in london. i did not think about the regional question that you have outlined, but what is happened in the united states is our regional and city papers are hurting. papers generally are hurting. they are relying upon national national issues like "the new york times," "the washington post," "the washington journal," and they're local -- thein

national papers that exist. people in the united states watch local tv and they get much more in-depth analysis, sometimes, but the weather and also politics compared to the national broadcast television stations that are really 23 minute headline news services ads and peopleug the cablef it, television, cnn and others, they watch, but i think more and more, especially on the people, going to the internet for information. they are getting lots of different sources of information but they are going to the places where they agree. to talk about regional coverage in the united states compared to the u.k., we get lots of

investigativesis, reporting, and it is a very rich source of information compared to many other nations. host: your expertise on another issue that percolates, and this is what the chairman of the republican national committee said at the cpac conference on friday with regards to potentially look could happen in cleveland at the summer convention. [video clip] is of the the nominee party, they will get the full backing and 100% support of the republican party. [applause] process and it is simple. we sat at a process and republicans are voting in a lot of the states, but they bind delegates to the convention and at the convention, obviously, it takes the majority of the delegates to become the nominee. that person joins the republican party. have tried to make this

case and it takes a little longer than you have got on a 32nd response on television, but i want to calibrate everyone and remind you what is going on. we have candidates that are competing to be the nominees of the republican party who want to and the republican party our convention in cleveland, and when they joined the republican party, obviously, they take in what we have been able to build at the rnc. we do not take sides, regardless of what you may think or read, there is no side that we take at the republican party. , alsojames thurber pointing out that the expects the republican nominee will be decided before the convention. guest: i agree. i think we will know fully after ,arch 15, after several states we won't go through them, but it trump continues to win in those states, he will clearly have enough delegates before he goes

to cleveland for the nomination. we may have an, open convention, not a brokered convention like in the old sense where white guys got together with cigars behind closed doors and selected to they would have. after the first ballot where people are required to vote a certain way, then you will see -- well, before that, a lot of negotiation behind-the-scenes, and eileen toward conventional wisdom at this point that trump will get the nomination. host: will it be fascinating? guest: last year about this time , i thought this election would bush andzer with hillary going after each other, but this one has been so exciting. it has been too excited. if we have one of those kind of conventions, it will be wonderful for political analyst to analyze. host: let's go to friendship, maine, dale is on the phone. where is that? caller: it is on the coast

somewhere near robin. host: are you caucusing this weekend question mark -- weekend? caller: i stay independent. i don't vote in any of them. i have to commit one way or the other. basically, my comment is that i am from maine, we are mostly independent thinkers, we went to go back to the way that people fight for community first. donald trump needs to be reminded that when someone [indiscernible] could never run for president of the united states. against theing financial elite. i am living in a state that fosters community, a recipe for success, and most business owners take care of their workers, especially the workers in building companies.

fosteredp, they away to build the community without first -- with help first, to build people up. kennedy would say, not what can my country do, but what can you do for your country? the country for everyone and not to take cap. host: thank you. guest: first, he is an independent. let me say that i would push a reform tab open primaries, "this is throughout the united states to allow independents to go one havingthe other without to identify that they are democrat or republican. i think we will get better turnouts.

i am from oregon, born and raised in oregon, and we used to vote for the best person. my father was republican, but he would vote for way more spending was a democrat and hatfield, a republican, -- fort wayne morris when he was a democrat and hatfield, a republican. a lot of people from maine settle in oregon. in the united states these days, we have a lot of people who are not splitting their ticket when they are voting in the general election. if you look at the data, the surveys or academic surveys on 93%, good academic surveys, of the democrats that voted for obama also voted for democratic 80 9% voteds and for senate members and the data are the same for romney and republicans. it is very hard to get people who do what this individual says

and for independent, we like to vote for the best person. people are not splitting their ticket and i think that will continue doing this particular administration. in terms of policies they referred to, these are all good points. things go the candidates have to take into account, and that is better wages for people and having small businesses create jobs and other issues, as mentioned. host: if you are listening, , -- our guest is james thurber. good morning. caller: good morning, c-span. o outor sanders won tw of three states and their has been no mention on c-span or social media.

i think including superdelegates is misleading as to how the vote is going and that paper has hillary clinton, who was mentioned with the superdelegates, and i would like to know how bernie is doing in the actual vote? do you have the numbers? host: we do. in fact, they are on their website and we can show you the delegate totals. we are including the superdelegates. here is why -- we get our numbers from "the associated press" on primary and caucus nights and the results are from the "ap," and and a website. the delegates are elected officials and dnc officials who say they will poke for hillary clinton. if they change, our numbers will change and you will see the delegates for senator sanders, including his pledged superdelegates, jeff are fewer than hillary clinton. what about that question mark -- about that? guest: superdelegates are part

of the rules of the democratic party, so there is a balance. superdelegates are elected party officials and the delegates you get from caucuses and primaries, but i should mention the senate, hillary has the superdelegate vote their, and she has all of the senators except for senator warren and bernie sanders has none at this point, which is telling about what sanders colleagues think about him. criticized roundly his colleagues in the senate, which is something about cruz. host: let's go to cole from new jersey. good morning. caller: good morning. a macro question. i was wondering about whether or not his present state of affairs, to some degree, can be laid at the seeds of our lack of teaching and civics as a core issue and to see the demonstration and public

discourse? i think there is a generational part of our country who had that experience, generally older, and understand politics is not the end result but a manifestation of the health and quality of our civic life. as a civics teacher, i was hoping to hear your perspective on that macro approach to the present situation. host: thank you. guest: i agree with that. i have been involved with centers for the last 20 years that have been trying to improve the way that we teach civics. at the high school and gradeschool level, in particular, former member of hamilton has been doing this since he has been retired. he has the competition among teachers to be educated at indiana university during the summer to improve the way they do it. he has created interesting online games, so it is the dirksen center in

illinois, a variety of congressional centers and presidential libraries and are trying to do this. the foundation world has been worried about this for two decades, and they have pumped millions of dollars into trying to improve this. and i thank you for your comment because i feel like i'm trying mydo this with undergraduates and graduate students to do a better job of teaching people about how the system works and to improve it. host: of the question from don who says, does your guest believe this is a realignment election? the realignment the outcome of gridlock? guest: it is like fdr's first election worked a great number of people that will republican shifted and became democrats, and that became the coalition behind the democratic party for one generation, two generations. we have had the regional realignment in the south. it used to be democrats from the 1965 voting rights act and then it became republican.

not see trump as a person creating a realignment. i do not see evidence yet. ilike evidence, data, and don't see evidence yet that there was a massive number of democrats and independents. independents are the largest portion the surveys. independents that are shifting and becomingn -- republicans, so i'll have to watch that. i am skeptical as a researcher until i see the data. it is a good hypothesis, but let's wait and see. i do not think it is a realigned election. host: for the past four decades, a professor and author or editor of nine books, including "american gridlock," james thurber, thank you. guest: thank you. host: let's turn our attention to the new network and our guest is karin agness. an acronym for the network of but first, aomen,

story from "the washington post," writing that the gridiron club dinner of top washington journalists performance gets in songs from one another and the polls who love them might feel like a throwback, but even in the 130 fourth year, it is apparently a draw. on saturday night, speakers, including the political up and hand for theon event, as well as the current occupant of that offer, vice president joe biden. here are some of the sights and sounds outside the event. cameras were not allowed inside. [video clip] [indiscernible] [indistinct chatting]

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host: megyn kelly, nbc's andrea mitchell, husband alan greenspan, former fed chair, among those on hand, former utah governor, 2012 jon huntsman republican candidate, all on hand for the gridiron dinner and joe biden. some of the extras from his appearance at available online at politico.com. he walked to the podium with the music "hail to the chief," and

he began by saying, god, i love that song. after i spoke, you had an african-american president, referring to last you, proceeded by an irish american president and he said, i like the way this place works. i walked in the oval office the other day and said, barack, you should resign. he said, to join the supreme court? i said, sure, whatever. you can read it online at politico.com. the gridiron dinner last night at the renaissance hotel in washington. ,e want to welcome karin agness the founder and president of the network of enlightened women. new. thank you. how did this come about? guest: i started after an internship in washington, d.c. originally.diana i cannot to intern and enjoy the internship and the opportunity surrounded by a lot of women who

cared about policy and politics that were not throwing out the republican and democratic front minus but talking about the issues. host: are you surprised that carly fiorina, the only woman in the republican field, was in the race? guest: i think she talked about issues in a way that republicans like everyone to talk about issues. she did not play the gender card in a way that hillary clinton has, and we are seeing that it is not necessarily looking for hillary clinton, especially young women. host: let's talk about cpac and the announcement that donald trump would not show up for the event as scheduled. ted cruz winning overwhelmingly in the cpac a straw poll and senator rubio coming in second and donald trump a distant third, but results from primaries and caucuses, trump winning in louisiana, kentucky. ted cruz winning in kansas and maine. guest: you hit the big storylines from cpac.

first, donald trump deciding not to go to cpac, and there was even some of trust up as a chicken and carrying a sign that donald trump was too chicken to go to cpac and there was a lot of dissatisfaction about that. and then ted cruz winning 40% cpac, overtendees at 2500 people voted, but the real boats that he cares about are the primaries. winning two out of four, a big victory for ted cruz. host: is donald trump the presumptive nominee or could this go to the convention and can ted cruz turn things around and marco rubio when his home state? guest: the week before was, who was going to challenge donald trump? marco rubio seemed to be in the lead. i think that story has changed, and especially after last night, it might be ted cruz. i think it could be a trump-cruz grace. host: what if marco rubio does

not win florida came over -- florida? game over? guest: that would be hard to come back from. also, ohio, we have not talked about john kasich. if either do not win home states, that could be tough. host: we carry this live zoster assay with mitt romney who basic -- carried it live with mitt romney who said that donald trump is a phony and fraud and he has done a series of interviews indicating that there could be a third-party allan fung of donald trump is the nominee, a conservative alternative. guest: i think we have seen that from the senator looking for a constitutional candidate from the constitution party. i think we have to let the primaries play out. host: here is more with the former massachusetts governor mitt romney. [video clip] is aromney: donald trump phony, a fraud. his promises are as worthless as a degree from trump university. [applause]

he is playing the members of the american public are suckers. he gets a free ride to the white house we get a lousy hand. his domestic policies would lead to a session. his foreign policies would make america in the world less safe. he has neither the temperament nor the judgment to be president, and his personal qualities would mean that america would cease to be a shining city on a hill. i am convinced america has greatness ahead, and this is a time for choosing. god bless asked to choose a nominee who will make that vision a reality. host: are we seeing the real split, division within the gop that could have ramifications far beyond the november elections? tost: we could, but we have

let the primaries and caucuses play out. donald trump's numbers are little down from last night via early voting. when it comes to the day of voting, ted cruz had an upswing, so i think some people may be did not appreciate the ubio dance going on in the last week. host: how damaging are the interviews that donald trump did last week with james clapper? he didn't have a news conference on friday, but not immediately saying he would not have anything to do with white supremacist groups or the kkk? guest: i'm not sure what he was thinking there and i am glad taken around and is about that, but that was a real problem for voters and the signal of, what is going on? host: our guest is founder of new, the network of the night and women. from florida, democrat line.

good morning. caller: good morning. how are you doing? host: fine, how are you? asker: yes, i would like to a particular question. raised inan-american, florida, but you know that. my thing is a donald trump. nt to talk about how he addressed the general public -- in thees republican party, how the addresses of black americans, hispanics, other ethnic background people, how would the address us with their economic problems? would we see him as somebody -- i'm sorry to say this, but a big bigot,asically -- a basically? doing anstead of

traditional victory speech, trump did a presidential press conference with the big red, white and blue lights behind it meant to questions of the audience, so i think we are going to see him turn into a more focused on the center, focused on trying to be a uniter. he said he would try to unite everybody around him, so i think as he gets closer to the general election, he will be working to reach out to everyone. oregon, erin, independent line. good morning. caller: i am a former republican and i changed and i am unhappy with the establishment republicans. donald trump before we had the iowa election. as far as him not attending that event where you had everybody going to, i think it was good for donald trump not to attend that event because it was -- the party was against them, and i think it would have harmed to more than it would have done him good.

as far as ted cruz, i will not vote for ted cruz because the person does not have to be born in this country, can be born in another country, not on the military base. toht now, it would look good have to be elected, but what would happen if we had a middle eastern person whose mother was born here and then he was born over in iraq and he comes over here and run for president? i think everybody needs to consider these things. we don't want to set a precedent if you're not born in the country. host: thank you. guest: i think you made a fair point in the first part of the question on why donald trump did not come to cease park, -- come to cpac -- one of the largest gatherings for young conservatives and students pay a lot of money to see the candidates. that it is better if he

was to go outside and addressed betterwd were try to win than he expected and so you decide to skip cpac and they were disappointed people at cpac. again, it is fair but i think we can understand seeing what happened and what played out last night. he felt like he needed to get to canada. is a graduateness of the university of for the. from colorado, democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning. i am a combat veteran. i spent 99 months in the jungles of vietnam. trump is being associated with the wounded warriors programs, and those people are supposedly ripping everybody off. to say be embarrassed

that i have been honored for 13 , he is a crooky and that is more or less what i wanted to say. guest: thank you for your service, sir. you brought up the wounded warriors project. there have been some investigations into that, and i think it is fair that when hard-working americans donate money to charities, especially when we want to support our veterans, to ask about how the money is abused so we will have to see what the investigations turnout and there are a lot of great veterans charities. if this one is not doing what it should be doing, i hope people will continue to be generous to other charities. says, since trump refused to attend cpac, he is a coward. your thoughts? guest: i think a lot of people felt that way. at cpac, they put stress on the free exchange of ideas which is

something we don't see a lot of, so people wanted to ask tough questions to donald trump and would have liked to have that opportunity. i think it is ok if they feel upset that donald trump did not go there because that would of been a platform to confront some people that may her not supporting him and would have had the opportunity to have that debate, which could have been important. host: he was asked at a news conference last night. it is on a website at www.c-span.org. michael makes this point, donald trump did not come because he had no control over the q&a session after the speech. he cannot afford speaking off-the-cuff. let's go to john from scotland? caller: that is correct. host: thank you for watching on the bbc parliament channel. caller: it is fantastic. host: glad to hear that. caller: i am calling because i think it is such an important thing, the presidential race,

and i think america has to get back to what you have been, a nation of respect. i looked at the feud and i believe the guy who was the best is john kasich. overseas, it is and theret country, are strands come into which go away from that and i think the best is mr. kasich. candidates,r whether on the democratic or republican side, they divide the country so you need to get back to where you are in the states and i think kasich is the man. host: if on january 20, it is president donald j trump, what with the reaction be in scotland and across europe? caller: that is a great question. donald is fascinating. is watching a slow-motion car crash, right?

i think he is a far greater guide then he illustrates, but i that ifat trump -- trump gets the republican nomination, he looks suitable to the left and not be as neurotic as he is demonstrated up to date, but we are watching is a great fascination. host: thank you for adding your voice and call anytime. caller: thank you. for bringing us governor kasich carried we have not talked much about him. one thing to note, you are faces, and weent are about to head out to more case it terror -- kasich and i wentmichigan, this morning he is doing well there. we could see them really rise and win from the midwest so we should watch that. host: this editorial is getting a lot of attention and it is available online at the washington journal website --

headline -- the republican party is shattering. no matter the outcome, nothing will ever be the same and she says, donald trump is a divider of the republican party. his candidacy is -- is bringing in democrats and independents, but it should concern his supporters that his brain appears to be impulses and although he has many views and opinions, he does not seem to know anything about public policy or the way the white house or government works. the works of peggy noonan. guest: she knows how to bring it, doesn't she? one of the big storylines right trump movement that seems to be rising. andhave some politicians writers saying they will never vote for donald trump and then the question is -- what is the alternative? a few weeks ago, it seemed like marco rubio and now it looks

more like ted cruz, but there seems to be a little bit of the split and there will be a question of -- is it too little, too late? host: let's go to jeff from pennsylvania. republican line. caller: good morning. i would just like to say that my wife and i did actually change from no party to republican party because we like with donald trump was saying, and we are backing him. now, it looks like his own party is against them. host: i want to read something us from peggy noonan and can you respond for a minute? this is also from the editorial i just read and available online at wsj.com. since you are a term supporter, i interested for your reaction. they hate political correctness, there's no one in the country that past quarter century was not been embarrassed or humiliated for using the wrong word of concept or having the wrong thought and see his business as proof he hates pc,

too. what is your reaction? caller: good people have spoken the people want donald trump and wantsrty once a puppet -- a puppet. i think there is no more political correctness that needs to go away because trump speaks of his heart and speaks the message that is in the minds of most of us in america. i think he is a hard worker. he is going to make change. i recently lost my job from 34 years to mexico. i am one of the angry ones that are coming out, and i feel he can make a difference. host: sounds like you and your wife agree on that. i heard her in the background. caller: oh, my god, yes, yes. host: we can talk to her as well. i said, i haske been for 34 years had a job and he lost it to mexico. his company as him to go to mexico and to train them for no

extra pay. host: what has been do question what is your name? do?hat did your husband what is your name? we will talk to all three of you. my name is carol. we are on speaker. he went down, of course, because it was either go down and train them or find another job right away. is the kind of stuff that resonates with me and donald trump as far as getting our jobs back and building our country back up again. not selling out. host: did you ever imagine you would support a republican candidate for the presidency? kasich,if it is rubio, yes, rubio, no. have a problem with i don't really believe everything he says. he just seems like -- i don't know, sneaky.

caller: i think donald trump will be a doer and not the talker and you will hold people accountable, get the right people in, figure out what is going on and make some improvements. i do not think any candidate is going to think a lot the promises, but i think he can make the biggest impact on change for the american people. caller: i agree. host: one more question. he has been criticized for not being politically correct, not answering questions deftly, and the tone he has brought to the campaign. you heard mitt romney calling him a phony and five. the reaction? caller: i do not think he has a lot of experience in this realm. the average politician, i believe, has a prescriptive dancers and has a plan of what they want to say. -- has pre-scripted answers and has a plan of what they want to say. once he gets in there, i think he will be able to do more of it on the item these guys would do knowing the actual process. caller: mitt romney --

host: go ahead, carol. caller: when he was running with obama, he did not win his estate. that, to me, was a big deal if you don't win your own states. host: jeff and carol joining us from pennsylvania. thank you. we appreciate it. caller: thank you. caller: two host: call again. guest: they are an example of a lot of people out there who are taking the election seriously and are concerned that -- we talk about issues affecting people. he lost his job. that will affect how he votes and i think the rest of the republican candidates should look at what donald trump is saying in terms of, i'll get things done and that matters. he is telling them that. one problem is the political correctness. i think that is something we see face all of the candidates, but some of donald trump's rhetoric goes a bit too far and it would be great to see him bring that

back. host: let's ask about paul ryan, the go to guy these days, they are reporting that some republicans are forming a group that potentially could nominate the house speaker. guest: he is very popular, but i think it would be tough to get him to president right now. i primary process already started. there are rules in place to make sure it is a fair election, so i don't see that happening, but i think he can continue to play an important role as speaker of the house. host: steve has been tweaked with reference to jim and carol -- the jobless pennsylvania callers are delusional. the gop wants global free trade and the loss of your job. southlet's go to carolina. we are with karin agness. good morning, herman. caller: good morning. i have been watching the debates as much as i could, and i notice on the democratic debates, they

do not ask what i think is important questions. they call it hard questions. one question i wanted to find -- why don't they ask hillary or illegals therefore coming in from mexico, and if they are, how will they stop it? host: thank you. guest: immigration, big issue. we are seeing that play out in the republican debate with the continuous back and forth, especially between rubio and cruz. we are not seeing that as much in the democratic debates and that is a problem. i hope more people ask them. host: one of our viewers saying, can donald trump went over the women vote? what does he need to do to prove he is not sexist? guest: on the left, we are seeing -- you would think hillary clinton would be winning women, but there is a generational gap.

older women are voting for hillary, but bernie sanders won the women's vote in new hampshire and won the young women, 18 to 29-year-olds. it is fascinating because bernie sanders is doing much better than expected. on the right, women are not a monolithic voting block an elective in candidates for different reasons. once to be the republican nominee, he does need to be more effective with women. women are majority of the voters and i think he has to think seriously about how he talks about women. talking aboutrump a number of companies shipping jobs overseas and went to doubt that her sheet chocolate has sold jobs to mexico, and nabisco and ford, saying they are all criminals. you can join us by assuring your tweets. walter from texas. republican line. glad to see a young woman or a woman like this young lady having conservative

leanings. everybody wants to refer back to ronald reagan's shining city on a hill, well, i feel like donald trump is going to build those shining cities out there from the east coast to the west coast. i think donald trump has empowered women to have a mind of their own and not fill these colts -- these clambering for their birth controls. there is a war on women, [indiscernible] in my observation, there is, and it was the democrats are on gullible women. they can get them to believe anything. host: thank you. the response. that: among young women, is a demographic that pay attention to because our organization is focused on educating young women, particularly young women.

what we find is it is frustrating when the left talks about a war on women. they do not see it being waged from the right. they see it from the left. the economic policies that are making it hard to get jobs, the way that they treat women as a monolithic voting bloc that if you get a few more things, they will vote less. i'm glad we have a caller and noticing that it is not the right waging the war on women. the: politics is 24/7 on potus channel, 124, we welcome listeners on serious channel 124 and those on c-span radio and on the web. barbara, connecticut, democrat line. --nk you for waiting period waiting. caller: hi. i wanted to weigh in. first, i think donald trump is very cagey.

whatever he speaks, he makes his statements to the people that he is in that audience. says whatever they want. whether it is the south, whether it is the north, he chooses his words and that crowd gets excited. if you cannot get them excited, he goes back to building the big wall, how high it is, and how mexico is going to pay for it. it is not just political correctness, it is that he is discussed in in some ways. -- he is disgusting in some ways. he does not choose his words as code the call, but his impact is politically wide. honesty has been a big issue in all the campaigns. n for being on, but there are a lot of democratic women that are very independent. i am ashamed in my own party that people have been just marching like the piper to

bernie sanders. host: thank you for your comments. richard saying that trump has no clue what he stands for. he will figure that out after elected. your comments? mentionedr caller women and what we are seeing on the left and may be a reason so many women are going to bernie sanders is the question of offense to city -- question of authenticity. it is more than just going out an honestsay, i am candidate parried it is not really working and we are seeing a lot of people go host: toward bernie sanders on the left. host:david from illinois. good morning. independent line. caller: good morning to you and your guest. i got this comment. i am an independent, longtime independent. i call myself an american who thinks for himself. -- the pollthis

came out sometime last year that shows the majority of americans are now independent. this was briefly acknowledged in the media and it totally dropped off the radar. the whole establishment just assumed with the drumbeat, d vs r. it seems like they have doubled down on this idea that all politics is exclusively democrat versus republican. the real election for the file, the filing deadline has not even come about. we have individuals who probably will get in the race, but by that time, the narrative will have solidified that this is your democrat choice and this is your republican choice and that is all you get. i find that frustrating. we are now the majority in america. where is the coverage of independents? host: thank you. guest: thank you.

independent candidates, third-party candidates, do not track record of success in the presidential election but you bring up a good point that we need -- both parties will have to figure out how to reach independents. one of the impacts bernie sanders has on the election is he is pushing hillary further lacked. he watched the debate and they have a contest over who is the most progressive. i think it will be hard for hillary clinton to send to herself and get back in the mainstream after the debates. host: you can follow our guest on twitter at karinagness. .e are listening to bill we will trade the delicate totals for the democrats and republicans while we listen. caller: i do not understand why anybody would vote for a politician. donald trump, i mean, this is the first time we have a chance to take america back. he is not a politician. nafta was supported by hillary

and bill clinton. there is nothing free about that. that is selling out in america. it helps every other country but america. to me, that is a theft of america. host: do you both question mark -- do you vote? my firstes, this is time. like many americans now loading, we look at the candidates. host: who did you support in the iowa caucuses? caller: i voted for trump. guest: we have to take seriously that people like you are coming whoto vote for donald trump have not voted. whether or not he wins, the people who voted for the first time can rally behind the republican candidates because the real battle is winning the office. host: our guest is a resident fellow at the harvard institute of politics. how many participate? guest: there are six fellows.

across the political spectrum, different experiences, and we host a weekly study group for students to give them the opportunity to talk about different issues with fast, share our experience from being in politics. athens, ohio. democrat line. good morning. caller: i am a dem but i will not vote or hillary because of her horrible war record. the mainstream media completely of voice and they give her a free pass and they won't ask her tonight about libya and syria, but with tramp -- like the guy from scotland -- with trump -- i like the guy from scotland, on one hand, i find it disgusting with the racism but the fact that he brings up manipulation of the currency by the chinese, i mean, i am fascinated by the guy put on the other hand, disgusted. with kasich, i hope they bring

right fact that in ohio, away went after the collective bargaining powers of public employees. last debate did bring up syria, libya, and how clinton's push for both those interventions is a disaster, a human disaster. the media gives her a free pass on it, but sanders is authentic. monday, for goodness sakes, voted no on iraq. look at his record. he has stood by it. he continues to stand by it and if people really look into it, his historical voting record, i don't know how you could vote against them. i am intrigued with trump. even though on one hand, he is this gusting, but he is springing up issues that need to be brought up, but i hope the

media talks about hillary's work record -- war record more. host: he said he will stay in the race through the convention. what are your thoughts? caller: he clearly showed. his money is coming from small donations. i went to the denver -- i go back and forth from denver taking care of grandkids to ohio, where i am a resident and i take care of my mother, and i was at the denver rally and i talked to goals of 20 and 30 of 20 anddles 30-year-olds and it was fascinating how informed they were. one young woman said the last thing she thought she would be doing -- she said, she would love to vote for a woman, however, hillary is in the back pocket up wall street. we know she won't go after them. and then her war record. the 20 or 30-year-olds are intrigued with bernie based on his voting record, and so mi. i love the guy. as your guest said, he is

content take. you can check his record, but it was fascinating talking to these young people and how enthusiastic they were. there were a lot of older people. i'm in my mid-60's. i will not vote for hillary based on that horrific war record, as well as her wall street connections. let's not forget bill clinton signed the repeal of the glass-steagall act, blinking on this partially bringing on this fiasco in 2008. sanders is my man. that is for sure. host: a lot on the table. thank you. guest: you brought up 20 and 30-year-olds paying attention to bernie sanders and that is true. 34% of youngon voters and we have president obama did a great thing with winning young voters. his gap between sanders and hillary in young voters was bigger and iowa then hillary's moreith obama's, so he won

young voters. we are seeing a huge rally point per bernie sanders. on the right, that is scary for us because what is bernie sanders telling young people? is selling democratic socialism. if that many people are rallying behind him, it should be a wake-up call to the right that we need to figure out how to convey conservative policies to young people in a more effective way. host: one more call from jacksonville, florida. willie, good morning. caller: good morning. we can all agree that donald trump, if anything, is irrational and unpredictable. is building this wall, this wall that he is building keeps people out and in. the world is looking at this. it is scary. donald trump is scary. if he wins and president obama

hansen the nuclear suitcase with russia and all of the nuclear korea, how are americans going to sleep at night with this man two seconds away from pushing a button? host: thank you. guest: you bring up the point about trustworthiness. you can look at people's policies, but a lot of times they come down to how trustworthy as the candidate. i think it is important for everyone to think about when they vote on election day. who do you want to have the nuclear codes? host: karin agness, the founder and president of the network of enlightened women. thank you. guest: great to join you. host: we will continue the conversation tomorrow. among our guests, paul taylor, the author of "the next america." sabato, the director at the university of

virginia, where karin agness went to school. you knew it was going to happen. and the newsght conference that took place at governor chris christie and donald trump. here is how it played out last. [video clip] [applause] >> welcome back to the election center. on cnn, a passport a bona fide fide-- ipass for a bona honk. let's take a look back at the seven days. donald trump was endorsed by chris christie and dominated super tuesday. here is what he had to say at his best conference. -- press conference. what the great, great night. i really am running the best campaign, aren't i? media is saying they have not seen anything like this. not since germany in the 1930's. everyone loves me, racists, ugly

racists, people who did not know they were racists, people whose eyes are like this, and this guy loves me, don't you? >> what is that? [laughter] >> as i was saying, everyone loves me. ofven got this fat piece crap behind me right now. isn't that right, chris? >> yes, sir, yes, sir, may i have another? sad and desperate potato back there, aren't you, chris? >> yes, sir, yes, sir, may i have another? >> no, go home. >> you got it. host: from nbc's "saturday night the," an excerpt from program. we will have live coverage beginning at 7:00 tuesday evening as you look at the results in michigan and mississippi.

all of our coverage available on the website at www.c-span.org. thank you for joining us this sunday. enjoy the rest of your weekend. "newsmakers" is next. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] ♪ >> next, "newsmakers," with leahy, andator pat that a memorial service for justice antonin scalia. after that, fbi director james comey at a house hearing on the accessfforts to encrypted phone data from apple. host: joining us on "newsmakers" is the ranking mb