investigation for the district of columbia. be blunt, this was a failure of government at all levels. local, state, and federal officials. we all fail the families of flint. ♪ host: that was michigan governor rick snyder yesterday at the governmental affairs meeting. lots of finger pointing a conflict water crisis. morningd your read this on the washington journal about what is going on, what you read about it. what you think may be responsible. 202 is the area code. (202) 737-0001 four democrats, republicans,2 four

(202) 628-0205 for independence. you can also make a comment on social media. front page of the washington post this morning, "epa: chief agency was too slow to help flint." over theessed concern issue. her mccarthy did not use powers until late january. assuming the state would make good on promises to take decisive measures, the epa did not push michigan's environmental quality agency hard enough to begin treating the water, mccarthy acknowledged. often fearod up to he is questioning at a congressional hearing that calls forepublican

her resignation, asserting that under the law her agency had done all that it could to residents.nts 95,000 she refused several times to accept blame for the catastrophe, laying the responsibility. here is a bit different the hearing yesterday. gina mccarthy: the underlying circumstances that allow it to happen are really ot. -- not. as a country, we have a systemic problem in under investing in the environmental protection community. this is an environmental justice community. not only are these populations more vulnerable to acts of pollution, they lack the tools to do something about it. that is what stacks the deck wheret a city like flint, a crisis like this can happen.

in many areas across our country, our infrastructure is aging, antiquated, and several communities are severely underfunded. particularly, low income communities, which it may have the most difficulty securing funds on municipal bonds. threaten citizens access to save drinking water. we need to have a serious congress, andith others, but healthy advance the technologies necessary to keep delivering clean water to american families. code.202 is the area (202) 737-0001 four fourrats, (202) 737-0002 republicans, (202) 628-0205 for

independents. the hearing,o there are a series of investigations, criminal and administrative into how the water supply for a city of the 100,000 people became tainted with lead. publics that was knowledge for months. in strange political reversal, republicans who usually champion local rule cast most of the blame on the epa, saying the federal agency before as much possibility as the state for 's residents say. democrats who champion the role of federal government blame the snyder administration, wondering what did he know and when they know it? day," mr.self every snyder said repeatedly as he testified before the house oversight committee and government reform committee,

saying his mistake was trusting employees -- "career added,rats," he dryly who consistently misinformed him that the city's water was safe. the state's response has become an issue in the presidential campaign with democrats bernie sanders and hillary clinton calling on mr. sadr to step down. first call is from rose, and michigan, on our democrats line. caller: i wanted to let the people know, i lived in michigan for 74 years. this is been the worst governor we have ever had. you could tell the man was lying. if he could not recall a lot of questions that were asked, and his staff that can't be called --the panel to tell the

exactly what happened i don't understand. i don't think the epa was 100% right, but i believe that woman. iis man is a true liar, and hope the people of michigan wake up and see what he has done. he can come up with $1.8 million to defend himself. but he can't come up with money to fix our roads which are in terrible shape. he ought to be removed from office. i thank you for taking my call. host: next up is catherine, in ohio, also a democrat. caller: good morning. i am a democrat. like most americans, i am tired of the bait and switch. i think the governor snyder was completely complicit. he knew everything that was being done as it was being done. the epa is guilty as well, but the smaller degree. we want our government to work

for us. we put them in office to do our bidding. they only do their bidding. we need to get a government that protects us. willaws are there, they bend the rules is first they have to do for the 1%. they will not protect us. you can see in the republican party, the outcry of the people. they are past angry. we now want blood. blood, thens your you better watch out. host: in your view, should rick snyder step down? should gina mccarthy step down? do you think of it all these calls for them to step down? caller: he should've already resigned. gone by the rules he

sets for us, then he should have already resigned. the is the reason why republican party is in the disarray they are in. they don't want to go by the rules they set for themselves. they continue to break the rules . the think we are so stupid come gullible, that we will fall in line and do exactly as they say. sure, he should've resigned months ago. the people of flint, michigan have been horribly wounded. they will never recover. the children will become weaker day by day because of the poisoning, and what that meant into the water system. it didn't have to be. it wasn't a natural disaster. it was man-made. he did it purposely to save money. yet, money is not object when he

needs it. he needed defense -- host: what about the epa's role? what about the mayor of flint? caller: the mayor of flint was completely muted. a man ornow if he was woman, they had absolutely no say in anything. the governor had come in and taken over the system of the state, especially the smaller communities and the poorer communities. should the epa, should she resign? that is up to her and her bosses. do i think they should get off scott free? no, i think the epa should be stronger, not weaker. 99ers at protect us the bottom. host: sounds like you've been following this pretty closely. caller: i follow all things of americans for a closely. i have children.

i have grandchildren. i'm even a great-grandmother. life, i worked my entire and raise my family at the same time. i am not giving people that service. i never tell somebody to do something that i myself have never done. we, republicans, democrats, independents, we are tired of our elected leaders -- supposedly -- only helping those at the 1%. us 99ers at the bottom, they will buy it, they will believe it. if it means- snyder's blood, then so be it. i don't think you should be allowed to resign and that is the end of it. i think he should be prosecuted with the same rules he forced upon the people of flint. he should be forced, in court. here i am, i think the way

should punish him, and his grandchildren, and forever. it should be giving nothing but flint water to drink. host: that is catherine and ohio. they sayfacebook page, i love this guy referring to jason chaffetz. he is to be congratulated on his aggressive approach to blaming governor , and othersrthy must accept responsibility for this disgraceful flint river drinking water contamination. oversight andouse reform committee. republican should take note. she says she is a democrat. paul is in dallas, the independent line. good morning. caller: thanks for taking my call. i have a comment. i believe the governor of this,an is to blame for

totally. he should resign. he saw this coming, and did nothing. these politicians always do that. he says it was a failure the federal government, and the state. what will they do about it? the always take the blame come from -- blame, but don't tell anybody what they will do about it. so what? you take the blame come a big deal. there needs to be consequences. there are never any consequence for any politician, anywhere. senator,essman, or the they pass a law to make themselves exempt. there is never any consequences. host: that is paul, and dallas. this is alford, on the republican line. alfred, on the

republican line. caller: i think this individual should not resign. i think the statehouse should impeach him comment that is a possibility. if wanted, charges should be filed against him for negligence, or whatever it is that flint, michigan has -- sorry, the state of michigan has on that. i think the epa officials are but not to blame, the degree of flint. the epa has been relegated since the 70's to the position of a paper tiger. for its history, we have seen legislators attempt to weaken the organization. you can't really have effective environmental protection when you continually kneecap the agency that is supposed to do it. i think that is going to be an

issue here. i feel terrible for flint, and really do. i don't think using the guys family at the caller before said will help anything. i think he needs to be publicly censured, impeached. and the people of flint need to ofe the same sort assistance that was provided to the 9/11 responders who were ill theto the effects of building dust they were working in, or the asbestos people. host: we will leave it there. he was a little bit more of the hearing yesterday. >> if you want to do the courageous thing, then you should resign. nobody will believe that you had the opportunity, the presence, the authority, the backing of the federal government, and you

did not act when you had the chance. you should step down. i now recognize the gentleman from illinois. the epank that administer should resign, and so should the governor. james, democrat, go ahead. for taking myyou call. but the gentleman said before, i think consequences. someone needs to be held accountable. i think the epa acted extremely sluggish. maybe impeachment, think this is a consequence of big government, but let's hope for the best. host: what does that mean? caller: wasn't it done with the governor switched, but he was taking -- it was a detroit line

there were taking the water in from? he switched it, made a decision to -- it was a private contract. he switched the line he was taking the water from. pretty sure that is what it was. you know? for calling in. back to the new york times, mr. snyder also took shots at the eopa, which learned a year after that the city was not adding a chemical that would prevent its pipes from corroding and le eching lead. he suggested employees of the regional office were complicit with employers of the michigan department of environmental quality in keeping concerns about lead and lack of corrosion control quiet for months. "they were in regular dialogue, we needed urgency, but

they kept on talking." republicans of long cut targeted havepa as a source of -- long targeted the epa as a source of government overreach. she said the epa had been full-time and foiled by the same state employees who misled mr. snyder. in flat rock, michigan. go ahead, tim. caller: governor snyder, he needs to go. gm stop using the water because it was corroding their car parts, yet our children can bathe in that water. that makes no sense to me at all. he needs to go. host: have you had any problems in flat rock? you're an hour away from flint? caller: yes, about an hour.

host: have you had any issues? caller: no, but the democrats held the debate in flint but the republicans didn't bring it up at all. host: that is tim, in flat rock. up next, republican in woodbridge, virginia. good morning, charles. those: i agree with saying this is not a republican or democrat issue. an act to harm people. the only way they can make this right, improve american people are doing the job whether it's the government come or the epa, people need to be fired. i mean all the way -- anyone in this entire chain who knew that water had that level of lead in it. they all need to be fired. this would happen in a private company. one way or another, criminal

charges the to be brought forward. this has done damage to kids that everyone is saying they can't get rid of these levels of lead out of their bodies for the rest of their lives. goes,st the governor whether he knew or not, it all starts at the top. he should resign, the running around and strong-arming everybody all the time. this is the one time they don't strong-arming the damage is obvious? notle have got to go, resign, but put in jail. host: here are some tweets. michigan has been run by democrats for decades, and another says the problem is not unique to flint. it was caused by outdated infrastructure. local governments on the resources replace the pipes. storm, whatpart snyder did to the people of

flint was downright evil. in chicago, independent line, hello jerome. caller: i think part of the that detroit has had a chronic problem of collecting on their water bills. i'm sure that in order to support your system, detrois was charging -- detroit was charging higher rates, then they were -- the people of flint were stuck paying for the nonusers in detroit. is a matter of economics. detroit people aren't paying their bills, flint had to subsidize it. in turn, flint had to find a to findt -- lower cost water cheaper. host: back to the new york

times, much to the chagrin of republicans on the panel, gina mccarthy refused to say the epa anyone in, or that the agency should've been fired including the regional administrator overseeing michigan, who later click after questions were raised about the handling of a whistleblower, miguel del toral, was warnings about lead were not acted aggressively on. luis is in daytona beach, florida. i have been following this for a closely. we have our own problems in florida. not so much the drinking water, but for years we had -- and they industrial runoff going into our rivers even beachside. but the democratic congressman said yesterday that they care more about money than they do people -- that is so true. epa.hat ethe -- hate the

we have our own epa. meanwhile, they do more studies, the water is so bad that dolphins, birds, are dying off. people are getting sick. a man died a year ago going into the water of into his ankles to retrieve his fishing net. it is because of the contamination. what do they say? it is mostly republicans, they will say we will do another study. enough is enough. people are far more important than money. here in florida, they encourage wealthy people to move down here and beat the tacxes. that means more building, more marinas, more pollution. it is out of control. republican, san bernardino, della -- california

you are on. caller: this is what happens when you deregulate everything. the republicans want to deregulate everything that, you nestle come in and take your water. this is what is going to go on. the republicans are deregulating everything and hiding behind their christian values. where is the christian values? what is going on in this world? we have become almost a terrorist government. we go, and we put somebody else some other country. we take our military, we go in there, and destabilize the country. then we control the come -- country, then take the natural resources. host: we're talking with different water crisis, have a

lot of finger-pointing and blaming yesterday at all levels during the hearing. covered, we want to get your read on that. who might be to blame? it has been an instructive hearing. michigan, go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. commonlling because sense got lost here. the people in flint didn't have any voice. there was an emergency manager only answerable to the governor. in that areaived wanted to drink from that river. common sense told you not to do that. michigan has 20% of the world's freshwater primarily in michigan with bottling plants. detroit water is excellent. they were cooked up from detroit

water, which was excellent, to the flint river which nobody that lived there would've wanted to drink that. i live in dearborn, michigan, and we have a river flowing through that goes by the ford plant. in the 20's, my dad could swim in it. they had an estate and a boat and it was probably beautiful. in the 50's it smelled like an open super. if somebody told me there were going to save money and i had to drink water from the river there , i would be horrified. yet, the people in flint, no one will listen to them. they have brown water coming out of the tap, and nobody listened to them. only the emergency manager to the governor. it was a case where democracy failed. the people did not have a voice. but the previous gentleman said about the regulation is a really

huge problem -- indeed regulation is a really huge problem. the people that listen to us and is government institutions. if we deregulate, it is not to the advantage of the average person. host: you think governor snyder should resign? caller: that is a tough one, i don't think he is a bad man, but he thought he was running a business that you can do things from the top down. but, the problem is, if he resigns, it is not like the whole thing changes. host: did the epa have a role in this? [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, caller: one of the things of the don't like publicans the epa. the think their job killers.

it think of too many regulations. they have really construed -- they had to work with the state. the state was responsible. somewheremebody common sense should have come in. somebody should've been standing up to the people -- for the people. that one man, he did a good job, i think, somebody, somewhere, the whole thing failed. as i said, nobody was listening to the people. if i had to draw water from a and thoset smelled, people, and children for michael so bad for those children. a freelancer tweets in that flint did not have a water problem until governor snyder sent in his emergency managers.

the buck stops with the governor. another says you don't think the andwho measured the lead didn't tell anyone might have more to do with it than the republican? teeth, buthad any they don't, thanks to republican it wouldo defund it, not have. democrat from virginia is only oversight committee and spoke yesterday. >> there is no evidence, even after warned by the mayor of flint, he begged you to come to flint. you ignored him. evidence of the traveling to flint for several months, governor. seven months. i am glad you are sorry now. i am glad you are taking action now. but it is a little bit late for the kids in flint whose health

has been compromised. hose health is already been copper mines. for a city in america that is on yournees because of emergency managers decision to save $4 million. now it will cost a lot more to clean up. state government has put on this country in the form of flint will be a long time being erased. host: back to the new york times article yesterday, flint president to attend the hearing, many troubled overnight by bus to get there left shrugging their shoulders. didn't start off with a lot of high hopes," said melissa

mays. " for the longest time, we felt like we had no voice. after the hearing, representative elijah cummings, the top democrat on the committee, said he remained determined to interview people team current and former members of the snyder administration who had so far rejected his invitation to do so. in particular, mr. cummings said speak to mr. dennis, mr. snyder's former chief of staff, who raised regular alarms about plants water problems last year in e-mails released by the governor office. rosie is calling from detroit on the independent line. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i have lived here all my life. i remember when flint went from

the flint river to detroit. they were with detroit for 50 years. back, iy decided to go said i field site for them people. -- i feel sorry for them people. when they shut the water off for the residents and gm kept the water, i said, something that is going to happen, corbel. night -- horrible. my daughter and i every single date stop and get water and take it to one of the stores and take the water to flint. realize who is going to take care of these children when their parents are gone? who is going to provide them with the necessities of life? will they be able to take care of themselves? what is going to happen to these kids? under six, that are

the ones that are coming, the children that are now when they get married and have children, what will happen to them? nobody is thinking. all they care about is a dollar. here and wehing take nothing away. when you do it to the least of them, you do it on to me. andny of these people, governor snyder's administration, to any of them have a heart for god or is this the almighty dollar? rosy in detroit. david is up next in force till, maryland, independent line. morning and thank you for taking my call. i have worked in the industry, and i think a lot is getting lost in complications. what happened yesterday in the

is that, the main point flint's problem is america's problem. infrastructure is the main problem in america. dilapidated, inferior infrastructure because of space. foldingandating by phosphate, silicon, but that is d-aiding the problem. my feelings are exactly as the lady who spoke previously. the children. they havey shocked not really come out on this, thousands of lawsuits, etc., but the harm of heavy metals in the pipes. the brain where we see kids in the city acting out, well, heavy

metals produce abnormal behavior. we see that in our prison systems are fold. -- our full. we will have to make a decision. are we putting more emphasis on weapons of mass destruction? are we going to put more emphasis on curing for people and developing human life? that is all i have to say. thank you. charles, p chapin, new jersey, republican line. what do you think about the flint water crisis and he was to blame in the hearing yesterday? need oxygenr, we and water. our human bodies cannot exist without both. we need to have control. the previous caller, the gentleman who described himself as being in the industry, water. vacation is very -- water

purification is very complex and necessary science is involved. we cannot have amateurs involved. we need to get people who have knowledge of water purification, not be wrote kratz. t beaurocrats.a in took a call from louise florida, she is sometimes kelly and catherine. she caused twice a week. she has called twice this week. florida to call the lady. you had poise recognition and that to know that she is an imposter that calls three times, five times, -- host: i understand. i appreciate that. i recognized her voice. that is charles in new jersey. editorials this morning in "the wall street journal."

this week's congressional hearings have shown that a series of government errors, local, state and federal, are flint's lead contaminated water. the state is passing up that the epa is pretending it had nothing to do with it.

the: it goes onto say that epa also ignored warnings from their own staff. on february 20 5, 20 15, about 10 months after the city switched the water source to the corrosive flint river, a parent called epa region five complaining about high lead levels. 19, and epa official called the michigan department of environmental quality "expressing concern." dated june,d memo they documented the high lead levels discovered at the parent's home, plus, other water problems in flint, including excessive coliform bacteria, lefionella bacteria and the low-level carcinogen tthm.

tor also flag the absencer of "a optimal corrosion control" and extortedl the epa to intervene. federal law allows the epa to review "treatment determinations made by the state" and take emergency action when the contaminant present an "imminent and substantial endangerment to of." persons they go onto talk about the issue in the lead editorial in "the wall street journal" this morning. lynn is in california, democrat line. caller: good morning. beenieve we have nationwide water work going on like in the old west. absolutely nobody nationwide has quality.ver prices, when people ask her help, a go your local county, they tell you, well, that is owned by such

and such a company. there, and it is county-rent district and they have us all going in big run around's out here. meantime, we cannot get drinking water that is safe and affordable. they are even talking about using recycled sewer water out here and putting it into our iter system because they say is so clean. they are bragging about a plant in san diego and showing people drinking after reprocessed water. there is something going on nationwide and i think this is the tip of the iceberg. host: matthew, georgia, republican. have you been following the flint water crisis, matthew? caller: i appreciate c-span broadcasting the entire debate because i watched all of it. foundment is before they

this in somebody's home, it is terrible that families have to suffer with that, the lead was in the river. i am wondering if epa has done any check in the river. are they trying to clean up the reverse? they had to know the source of where the lead came from. i am not understanding that they keep calling lead pipes. as a plumber and installer of lead pipes, that is for sewer and not drinking water in. this solder they used in the 1980's was cut from a high content of led down to a lower content by the building trade industry to make the lead pipes go little bit better, but the amount of lead they are talking about coming through water, it does not make any sense to me. it seems like the problem is in the river and they should be concerned about cleaning up the rivers rather than cash they still need to replace the pipes

-- they still need to replace the parts, but the river water needs to be cleaned up and i'm surprised epa was not over that 50 years ago. thank you. plumberat is matthew, a in georgia. steve is next in michigan. caller: good morning. peter, do you watch her own programs? host: why do you ask that question? caller: two weeks ago, you had the guy in charge of the committee of flint water, the guy from virginia tech, i watched him. the epaon your program lied to the mayor, the epa lied to the governor, the epa lied and that they knew 1.5 years and all these people this morning, they all been lying because you have not stopped them and corrected them. that was on your program. host: steve, when you look at this cold flint water crisis -- this whole plant water crisis

yourself, should people resign? what action should they take? and presentepa obama should resign first. what happens, the guy in charge on your program, he said every e-mail about the flint water, he said the water is safe coming out of, not the factory, but to the cleaning, and the problem is in the pipes in the houses, so it is not snyder, the mayor, it is the epa that lied and deceived. that is what his findings were. so far, all these people that have been coming up, blaming everybody else except for the .pa, obama has run the epa it is his fault, not governor snyder. host: that is steve in michigan. this is leslie in rochester hills, michigan. caller: hello. i am calling because i am not

hearing anyone commenting about that years ago, when governor snyder pointed his emergency managers, they actually were very, very destructive and detrimental to the cities of pontiac, the city of flint, and even to detroit. i do not see any responsibility being taken on the part of governor snyder for his appointee and even himself regarding the poor decision-making that has gone on. we saw problems that were going to happen rather rapidly when he appointed those emergency managers, and it usurped the democratic ability of people to even vote for their own representative. it is just a chart what has happened in flint. host: the previous caller

referenced a program on this "washington journal" two weeks ago. if you want to watch it online to see what he was talking about, here is mark edwards, you can go to www.c-span.org and type in mark edwards and flint, and you will be able to watch that program online. next up, john in dayton, ohio, republican run. caller: thank you. thank you for taking my call. i am simply amazed that no one is talking about the fact that , i'llvernment, the epa know about this problem for some -- all know about this problem for some time. cost-cutting on chlorine and dumping ammonia in the water.

remarkable and to america is ater in safe father is a bottled water. wise at the bottled water? bottled water using city water infiltration systems that should be in city waters, so we could drink. surrounded about and that everybody should be able to afford to god the water in their homes for cooking affordrything else -- bottled water in their homes for cooking and everything else straight when you think about india and pakistan, what did they fight over there about? they were fighting over water. i believe water is the new gold in this world, and we need to

take this more seriously. john in ohio. this is true in jackson, mississippi. -- ruth in jackson, mississippi. caller: i am so proud you have this on this morning. we have a water problem in mississippi. nowt had that problem and they are checking our water closely, and we have noticed that our water has led in it. that is a countrywide thing. now.body is becoming aware when you listen to our political people, all they are talking about is deregulating everything and they don't want regulations. will hopefully bring out something that will help this country. finally, packed his calling in from benton, michigan. you get the last word. concernede think i am

about is we are so worried about tax cuts, whether republican or democrat, that we are neglecting what needs to be done in our country or infrastructure. our schools are failing, they have been cut to the bone. we cannot drink our water, we have flooding in major areas in the south because the levees are failing, we have bridges that are collapsing. we need to spend money on the things we need to have our government services four. at any taxes, whether level, is not the answer to fixing our problems. host: that was pat in michigan. a couple of tweets to finish this up. really sorry this is happening. michigan is a mess. they killed the golden goose. automakers by overtaxing and now broke. that is from still an individual. slap inn says, another the face to flint, michigan , as

government still makes residents cannot use. they anyway, switch at pipes and treat the water. because of the interest in this topic and the fact that we wanted to hear your voices, we did not get to a lot of the news toicles that we usually get in our first segment, so we have got those set aside that we have time set aside at the end of the program. i think we have some different things that we want to share with the, so stick around with us. ts coming up.ess comin coming up, melanie campbell, the president and ceo of national coalition of black civic participation. we would talk about campaign 2016 and the roles black women may play in that. after that, the former u.s. attorney of the reagan administration will talk about thatry clinton's e-mails, this weekend, our c-span cities tour continues as booktv and

american history to the travel to montgomery, alabama, to explore the city history and literary life. here is montgomery's mayor talking about the city's history. >> we are in the heart of alabama. this is about 40 miles south of the center of the state of alabama. "usa today" last year voted as the best historic city in the united states of america. they followed that back up with the second-best place to visit for history buffs, so that tells veryhat we have a different, very diverse, and very interesting history that started many years ago. we talk about the first, obviously, we start with the point of the civil war because it was from about 100 yards from here that the telegraph was sent , the fire on fort sumter, which started the war.

if you want to keep coming forward, it was almost an identical place, maybe 50 feet from where that occurred that rosa parks got on the bus. it was another half a block up the street where she refused to give up her seat and it really started the civil rights movement. it was 10 years before selma, montgomery march. that is exactly where the march went up during an the first open montgomery,ure, in the first electric streetcar, we can go on and on, so people want to come to see history and they will come to montgomery. about luther king talked the beloved community. we are always striving for that led immunity. i'm not sure we can define it, but we take surveys every two years and race relations are improving. my personal philosophy is, you may not be our brother's keeper, but we are our brother's, so he

approaches from that standpoint, inclusive and supportive of all those activities that would make us a better inclusive community. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we want to introduce you to melanie campbell, president and ceo of a group called the national coalition of black civic participation. which is what? 40-year-old a coalition that was started on the purpose of getting black voter participation in 1976 and it evolved to two programs, one that focuses on black women and girls and another that focuses on young people, young leadership. it is called black women's roundtable. host: there was a report put out organization, black women in the u.s., 2016, power

of the sister vote. is this a gray card on how black women are doing it in america today? tank: we are not a think per se, but we do have smart women with partners. we have a strong scholar. we decided three years ago, one of the things we realized is that in order to be successful in network, we had to engage electronically and economic empowerment and we had to have good data. there was not a lot out there on black women, so we started a report three years ago. we started doing this women of power study, it is part of releasing it every year. this is our fifth year doing the summit, so this is is a report

organizing and guiding to. ands a big election-year have a better understanding of what happens with our political power, we talk about black women as one of the highest voting demographics in the country. that is great, but what does that mean to leveraging that power to improve quality of life in a community? that is why we do it. to write ineople the report. we have a part that elevates people who are legal scholars or experts in their field, so the report is a compilation of thoughts and they do about what happens. this year, we are focusing on a about our power of the system vote. we were the strongest vote in 2008 and 2012. that is when we voted higher

than any other demographic, so we are saying that we have to leverage that in 2016 and every year. and looking down from the presidency, which is very important, this year, we know that you have, for instance, 13 governor races up this year, that was a beat of the 99 legislative chambers, and it is up this year. several years, baltimore has been going through a lot with police, criminal justice, so this report gets into some of that but also some of those issues that are economic issues, health issues and the like. anything judiciary. host: we will talk about a couple of those, but one of the things i wanted to talk about first, even though black women tend to vote democratic overwhelmingly, you report that younger black women are trending away from the democratic party and identifying more as

independent. guest: yes, we have been doing this report and we have also taken information from earlier in the year and some is in here. we released a survey on what black women want from the next resident. millennials, as in example, do not identifying the same way. third found themselves as independent. also, it is a challenge for those who are losing what could be eight, quote on quote, ground. what was interesting this year, the report talked about in south carolina and georgia, we had african-americans in the primary voting. host: why do you think that is? we will put the numbers on the screen so you can participate in the conversation as well. it is divided by political

group. sorry to interrupt. guest: it is ok. a lot of issues matter to us. in thoseo go deeper estates to fully understand it because it is to brush and early to know, but a summit data that we -- but taste on the data we know, we are seeing this opening. the challenge we are talking about at the summit. we had the town hall meeting last night that was made up of millennials, leaders and and we had a conversation about how we should leverage that political power. model that people want to make us to be. we are not just black women. we have to also know how to deal

with that in the primary. one of the things he talked about last night was the fact that in some cases, young people turning out on the democratic side and a lot are voting for bernie sanders and hillary clinton is doing pretty good herself, but they say, why is that happening? some of the challenges in people are facing is because they are independents and you go to some of the close primaries and you cannot vote, so some of the issues is educating new voters about the process and what we have to do. host: two weeks ago on this program, we asked the question -- why you supporting donald trump? the first call, a black woman from georgia. he says what i feel. we received at least seven calls are in that segment from african-americans, self identified, saying they are supporting donald trump. guest: that is interesting. i cannot speak to it other than

to say, because i am nonpartisan and i have to be careful when i doak, but just as i had to an anecdotal analysis, some of that i think is name recognition. ways, inestly, in some am somewhat fearful of the people getecause their signals and we are seeing one of the things that many colleagues are concerned about is that a lot of young black activists and organizers are trump'stacked donald rallies, and how we saw the young man, who was walking and hit, but most of those people who are black lives matter activists and others are young black females, so we challenge

candidates to understand that as black women, we have a problem. that is something we are trying to figure out and how do we make sure that we speak up and that folks know that you cannot attack our people or children. on, it iss going something called pants off, and you cannot a lot things to happen. these are happening to young people who are expressing themselves and that cannot just happen. if you're going to be the leader of the free world, that has to change. host: black women still lacking behind in the economy and black women make up more than half of areblack work force but still most likely of any group of women in america to live in poverty, 28%, due in large part to locate. guest: answer to that is lopw w pay. the heads of of

households, and in many cases, the average black woman, and theyis an earlier report, have about $100 a month, and people have to start asking why? we have to figure out the way to shift that low number, not just for ourselves but the future generations. retirement security that is a good progress report and we are looking at it from a generational lens about what is happening. college affordability is number one. criminal justice is up there and even taxes. the idea that there needs to be something done about what happened to middle-class and what happens with taxes with the top 1%. host: one more issue before calls. "blackcle in "politico,"

urt by obama'sd supreme court choice." out inthis is playing the public discourse. garland -- judge garland is highly qualified candidate and that is not the issue. 227 years of the supreme court has never had an african-american woman. high -- for us, it is i on the priority list. it will not stop with resident obama. we know diversity makes a difference. on the other side, on the supreme court over there, it is

important what happens on 1600 pennsylvania avenue and what happens on 1st street is critical, so we have to be in the room to help fix the things that impact us for 20 years, 40 years and that will be continued to be abdicated. -- to be advocated. we had a question in december at aboutundtable presidential candidates for republicans and democrats. republicans did respond. we asked them, would you appoint an african-american female to the supreme court? hillary clinton a bernie sanders said they would definitely would they have a role in it. and they have to do their jobs now that the president has made a nomination and by consent. we see that as an issue.

20% of black women in the poll said this was a high-powered issue. just did aority survey of our membership and we have over 250,000 members, so it is an issue that will not go away. we'll continue to advocate and change the trajectory. this is not just black women but about america. host: from your report on black women in the u.s., there are 185 point females and 56 male like federal judges and near 42 black women serving as judges at the federal level. 112 justices have served on the supreme court's. of the 112, only four have been women and only to have been african-american. never beenan has

nominated or served on the supreme court. take some calls. william in washington, d.c., republican line. you are first up. caller: good morning to miss campbell. i would like to congratulate her. she did in fact receive an award , a lifetime achievement award, from the black press and the past couple of weeks. guest: thank you. caller: a couple of questions. a, do you have any republican friends? b, you mentioned you were with president obama's supreme court nomination, what kind of grief would you give resident obama , hisis tenure throughout tenure in the presidency, in particular, as far as black people are concerned? host: william, what grade would you give the president? caller: an f.

host: why? i am waiting for her, should be an advocate, but i don't think he has done anything for black interest or issues at all. host: thank you. i have friends about stripes. i don't judge my friends by the colors and i have friends' apps and in all parties. all have friends in parties. i would not give him an f, that is the caller, one of the things that your important people are concerned about our issues about voting rights and things like that. in the last, having attorney general eric holden, i point directly to i think the president gets exactly what is

happening in the community. i think he has done a great job. this is a national association. thisal people gave me award for my work, so to be awarded by the black press was a little unnerving, but it was -- i was honored to receive this the other day. i think them for it. for it. them i'd like to be on the camera really, but it was part of the for them toas nice iop and thank the work than do. organization was worthy of being awarded for the work that we do. host: next call comes from cissy in baltimore, democrat. caller: good morning. how are you? guest: good morning. caller: i am so glad you are on

air. this is the second time this week that i have heard programs concerning black women. in annapolis, and the other was talking about [indiscernible] guest: national council of negro women, yes. this, and issue is maybe you can help me with this. women have held organizations together for many, many years, and now we are aging out. we are getting older, and we are having a hard time attracting the young black women to our organizations. [indiscernible]

they could be the link and all these other organizations that we have really, really worked hard all these years, and i would like to know, what your idea is to attract young black women because i have people in offamily who are graduates ,niversities, and when i look it comes out in their yearbooks, but how can we get these women who are college-educated to go back into our organizations are what ever? host: thank you for calling. guest: first of all, i was just with the national executive director of the national council of negro women. maybe two months ago, not longer , the new executive director, i

meant toward and i was one of many. a board member of my organization helped me develop the work that i do for the black women roundtable. i think we will see dynamic things come out of the national council of negro women. as i mentioned earlier. we had our day on capitol hill couple weeks ago and i moderated a panel of millennials collegiate's, and i was really enthused by the energy in the room. many of our organizations, especially those that have been around much longer than mine, i really honing in on the lectures. the model that has worked for my

work and the work i do now is generational leadership and making it intentional about that. that if i remember came into this town 20 years ago and you getpstart, to the table, sometimes, you don't realize you're are already at the leadership table so you are at the table bring him something and you realize that you are. we have leaders in our states and we have to make sure we are intentional about having people at the table so they can bring what they have to only can share and then from each other and it is what they call lifelong learning. that includes organizing, civil rights, any other entities we have in the generations. host: back to your report, black

girls are disproportionately impacted. guest: yes, that is a problem and that is growing when it comes to rates and things like that. several of my colleagues and i worked around the issue. it is a part of the concern we talk about with criminal justice. young black men, of course, there is an alarming situation again black girls and how they are being impacted by the criminal justice system earlier and earlier in life. they have this campaign called, what about our girls? we have to make sure we are not saying boys over girls. they are our children. this issue about being able to send the child or having to send a preschool child, right, so the big understanding is that at three years old or four years old, we help to push them into a trajectory in the criminal justice system.

there is a need for the congress to act on criminal justice reform in bipartisan involvement and we need to ensure that women get all these kinds of aspects that impact our children and they also need to happen in congress britt make sure the education system, that we are performing those kinds of things that impact our children and i can remember when i was having coming up,i was trying to understand how policies work and i lived in atlanta for a long time and went to school there. i can remember we talked about three strikes you are out. in georgia, they made it three strikes, you are out, and how that impacted our community with criminal justice and the need for sentencing reform. all these things that toerrelate and the gets back the economic opportunity and

quality of life for our communities and throughout the country, so i am money more gett myself and how we can the work in engagement and tie that to the vote. host: next call from nat in baltimore, independent line. caller: hi. i am 88 years old. matter of fact, i have watched the black community deteriorate from when i was a kid during the depression in coney island. principally, it is the destruction of the family. i just wonder what this young manyis doing to prevent so votes, which take the girl completely out of the competitive system, out of the education system, on to a welfare-dependent system, and destroy her life and the kids' lives, too.

all, mostly of white people are the ones who are on welfare, so i cannot speak to what you are saying in that point. i think what is important and what we know is happening in african american communities, there are things we need [indiscernible] african-american women have the highest growth when the comes to on jupiter were shipped and we talk about that. business fromhe single proprietor to one that can grow. our goal is continuously to make ife better for the mother and have an 87-year-old mother. she is still with us and engaging. she was a teacher for 40 years and still teaching in many ways to her grandchildren and great-grandchildren and enable inunderstand that politics

so peoplet our lives, have to understand that all communities are part of this. i will continue to do the work that i do until i leave this earth to make life ready for the next generation, so that is my response. host: jan in maryland, republican line. caller: good morning. my question is that i think most off rightare worse now, especially like in the past 10 years or so. things seem to be spiraling out of control. i would like to know because we are in an election year, can you give me specifics as to what hillary clinton has done to improve our american lives? guest: i am not here to talk about the candidates, but i think one thing that we are all the that we ask

candidates, and i mentioned earlier, at the black women's roundtable, we asked multiple that is that, and the american coaching at work, and we did the survey back in the summer and we took that two other democratic and republican candidates. we asked 21 questions in that survey. could understand what their plans are. our goals are to make sure the candidates are telling us on paper and also challenging them through the primary process to tell us specifics about what they plan to do. we wanted to hear that from all of them and that is what we have been doing. we have been hosting town hall meetings. we were in south carolina for the primary. we had african-american women and others who came to engage in the dialogue and it very much covered. it was before the republicans

voted in south carolina and the democrats won first and then republicans. republicans went for some of the democrats. that is what we are doing, we are challenging all the candidates. it is not about one. as far as i'm concerned, it is not about one candidate but challenging the primary and deciding who will be the nominee. we are making sure that this american women who are part of that discourse, challenging candidates to tell us what they will do. host: which republicans did you hear back from? bush, john kasich, jeb ben carson, and i am plinking on the fourth one. host: john kasich, donald trump -- guest: this is what we did, you will see it is online.

you can go and see what the candidates said. it is easy to navigate. and we are updating throughout the election season. although the current candidates, well, rubio is out, so it is ted cruz, and we are continuously engaging all of those campaigns. we told all of them, if you fill out our questioner, we will put it up online and get it out there. for those campaigns, donald trump's campaign, ted cruz's campaign to respond to the black women's roundtable and we asked them on a regular basis to respond. host: next call from ruth in a on theani fro

democrat line. caller: since it is election time, but i am interested in -- host: we are listening. turn down your tv. caller: i can see you. ok, what i was asking, do you give them the information, democrat or republican, on the people running? like you are talking about south carolina and i am talking about hillary, to you realize what the peoples have hurt black more than any president? it started in new york with rockefeller about three strikes you are out, and he made it -- itsident clinton made federal and that is what really took us and put us in jail like they did, especially men.

host: who are you supporting for president? caller: probably bernie. host: thank you. you heard what she had to say about the clintons. guest: one of the things happening in this election, i give kudos to the civil rights community, kudos to black lives theer community, and really community at large on pushing the issue run criminal justice reform. and whatillary clinton i am not seeing on the other side is real opposition about criminal justice reform. would ask anyone about to vote task those hard questions. i am bipartisan and i will not advocate one way or the other. organizations to help, and the people -- our organizations job in the people i work with is to challenge them and asked them

the hard questions about what they will do. i think it is important. quite a fewthrough presidents and i can go back and see good and bad in situations. history is a really good teacher but it is not one single issue. understanding economically where we are in the 1990's and where we are today and what happened after 2007 when president obama came in, and to understand the policy impacts. nationalbout local to and how it is important that, yes, things happen on the president level and we have to pay attention to what is happening. one of the key things, one thing about federal crimes and what has happened for most of us, we are impacted by what is going on in the state level and presents. -- and prisons.

i employ is to be. broad about looking at all of the elections because they are impacted by who is in the government office, who is in the state legislative office, and that is power. a local issue and not a federal issue. for us, it does, let's focus on not just the presidential election but the down ballot races that are in this election year right now. very publicized down ballot elections, the prosecutors in chicago and cleveland both lost their jobs. guest: that is the power of the vote. how would a sister both? -- vote? we analyzed if there was significant african-american get them took lace to unelected, and black women were on the top of the list. host: this goes to what we were talking about with the judiciary

earlier. what does a person's race, ethnicity, or gender have to do with their ability to interpret the constitution? guest: i think that in any area, it is about not attaching yourself. i havee to understand -- not been lawyer and not trying to act like one, but i am a voter and a citizen, and i want to see that that court is respective of me, not just by color, but that when they interpret the constitution and the african-american history of this country for black people, we had a moment when the constitution to not really impact us in the way that was good, so we came to the country through slavery. the reality is to understand that it matters. about the supreme court, but when it comes to the criminal justice system and bias, it is about that you may

not realize that your life impacts how you deal with people on the street as a police officer for an example. it does not stop. we have three levels of government, and everyone wants to see themselves related into that government. we have judiciary, the legislative and executive branch, and it makes no sense that there is never been an african-american woman. i know other communities feel and pacifician island communities feel the same and it matters that all americans should be represented on every level of government. host: allen, north carolina, you are on with melanie campbell of the national coalition of black civic participation in the black women's roundtable. go ahead. caller: good morning. andare an exceptional woman

thank you for your contribution. i want to provide a solution that may not have been spoken of. one solution is to focus on the family. women of color through oppression were strong women when men were taken out of the family. that women like yourself would focus on getting the men back in the families so that the focus on the family can be on spirituality, education and then politics. once we teach our children that they can understand what the system is, we can navigate through discrimination, certain things that have set up being educated, but you have to have the man and household with the woman and appreciating marriage, being together, helping our teens to have a relationship, date and get married. there are no married families anymore in our community and that is hurting us badly. what i would suggest is nonprofit organizations that

have curriculums to strengthen our families and get the men back in our family and out of jail and things of that nature, and also helping our young men understand the importance of our education. we are exceptional americans based on the oppression from which we come, but you all have the power to redo are strong, but you have to get the men back in the household. thank you. guest: thank you. the chairman of my organization, ,homas w george, the chairman spoke with reverend tony lee, and we have a gathering of black men. one of the things i think is and i am also part of my brother's keeper alliance as the committee member of that, so being able to engage black men

is something organization is connected to and the family. family dynamics are changing in this country for sure, but it is something we see as important for quality of life, no doubt, two incomes really impact the quality of life, but it is also something very different for this generation. we will continue to work to promote men and women in our community to have a better quality of life, and that is the way i will do my part in this solution. paul inll in -- brooklyn, republican line. go ahead. paul? guest: good morning. caller: good morning. i am in houston, texas. melanie, the reason i am calling is there was a caller who called

in concerned about what he remembered growing up with black families and communities where the percentage of people in poverty or the number of families in poverty, he remembers being black and what has changed. the reality is that african-americans have a very high, much higher percentage of illegitimacy than the white community. there may be more numbers, but the most important unit, the most important institution in the united states is the family. there is no way a young black man and woman is going to get the values or the respect from elders, the respect for society, work ethic, those things come from the family. i grew up with 10 brothers and sisters. we learned about how to respect the grandparents, our parents, our neighbors, clean up after ourselves, work together. that is the fundamental. those are the fundamentals to life's success.

guest: thank you. i grew up in a family where i learned all those things. historically, one of the things through discourse is when it comes to any of our communities, looking at the actual realities for the black experience, the way we were impacted in this backry when it goes as far as slavery, our families were torn apart as part of an economic system when it comes to slavery and the mother was taken away from their children, the father taken away from their children, so i think part of what i challenge callers who talk about the immediacy of illegitimacy is that for our families, i think it is a misnomer. there is such a thing up having illegitimate children, children who do not have both parents in the house and we often want to

see that happen, but it does not happen always break the divorce rate is not the black problem but an american problem so we have to figure out what is happening to all of our families. we also have to look at history. i believe that every day of my that is that we look at things from a holistic perspective and not just what happened yesterday. i believe we have a better opportunity for race relations in this country. i respect everybody's history. i wish people would respect ours. brooklyn, in republican. i think i punched the right button this time. good morning. i am a democrat -- host: you know what? i have lost -- you go ahead. sorry. caller: technology is very complicated. [laughter]

i want to congratulate your guest. melanie campbell, you are doing a fantastic job. i am an african american scientists. when i was in the branch of the american science center, there were 50 scientists and i was the only one african-american. people in thend campus of nasa, there were only four african-american phd's. book by joeere is a and reader of msnbc called "hard choices." and also, african-american women are the strongest voting block in this country. .frican-american women do vote they get out and higher percentages and vote.

they elected the first african-american president in history. the women do vote. the thing is my concern is the bias against african-american women. have called many time against hillary clinton. that is also bashing against african-american women as well. me because it is bashing against all women. keep on your good work. guest: thank you. i will keep doing what i can. host: from your report on black women in the u.s. "lack women largely absent from tech companies while major tech company giants like apple, facebook, google, intel, microsoft, and twitter are collectively hiring thousands of workers. on average, their employment of black women comes in at only

3%." guest: yes. one thing for sure and one of the things in our summit is we have a track where we talk about girls and technology. many cases, being able to make sure we do a better job that folks have a job in tech. it does not always have to be math, science, and technology. but there are all kinds of jobs. other kinds of jobs. at the same time, we know that when it comes to where they quality jobs are, high wage jobs are, we have to do a better job of getting girls -- not just of colored -- but girls into stem. agomember a study a while that talked about how young

girls are tracked away from math and science around sixth-grade. when i was growing up in that was english and other things. it was seen more for boys. so we have to deal with that gender issue and encourage girls to be all they can be. so at our summit, we have 15 stage representatives. every state brought girls with them. we had a stem conversation with them about how this is something they can do. hachear more people do k-a-thons. as a community, we have to do more of that so we can tap into the creativity of young people. it is important. written by apiece resident expert in how important

the issue of technology impacts education and impacts economically every aspect of our lives. it impacts the media. me sitting here and how important that industry is to the current and future economic situation and our country and that we have to make sure our girls are directly involved in that for their careers and for their lives. host: i want to get your comment about how have to say an attack on hillary clinton is an attack on black women to the same thing we hear from a lot of viewers, that attacking president obama is racist or supporting donald trump is racist. i want to get your thoughts on that. -- theremen candidates are enough studies out there about that, that women candidates are not treated the same in the media.

i do not think that has changed for hillary clinton. even -- the republican woman who is running. fiorina. the name gave me a tongue twister. thise seeing that in election. that is important for women overall. women are not treated the same when it comes to running for office. that has always been and we need to change that. melanie campbell with the national coalition on black civic participation and the lack wmen's roundtable -- black omen's roundtable. guest: they can google the black report andndtable get the website. on thend we have put it screen. novang up next, joe dige

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employee, contractor, and clinton campaign worker who was hired by hillary clinton to install a private server to do all of her private and government e-mail correspondence at her home in new york. u.s. simultaneously employed by her as a computer advisor at the state department. host: he has been granted immunity? guest: federal prosecutors at the department of justice granted him immunity, according to published reports. host: what does that mean? guest: if it is statutory immunity, where you go before a judge and the prosecutors wants to ask questions in front of a grand jury, anything he says in the grand jury or in the interviews with fbi and prosecutors can never be used against him. more importantly, anything he says can never be used to develop a lead against him,

which means that, invariably, when granted immunity, you can never be prosecuted for the crimes for which you had been granted immunity. host: you talked about statutory immunity. is there another type? immunity, where the prosecutor hans your attorney a letter that says we will not prosecute you against anything you tell us in an interview, but we can use it as a lead in the investigation. sometimes people will have their attorneys deal with the prosecutor because they want to get out of a case and talk, and the lawyers make a profit. they tell prosecutors what the witness will say. if prosecutors like it, they handed a letter of a mean eddie, saying whatever you tell us cannot be used against you directly. but we can use it to develop leads. host: do we know for a fact mr.

pegliano has been granted immunity? the houseawyers told committee he has been. and also the press. what we do not know is what kind it is. given his centrality to the entire story of the private server in new york, it is statutory immunity, which means there is a grand jury sitting which at least issued subpoenas. host: what is the significance? means, notwithstanding what ms. clinton and what her supporters have been saying which is "it is only a security review of her computer," it is not. it is formally a federal criminal investigation conducted by the fbi with assistance of criminal andthe national security divisions of the department of justice. host: does there have to be intent in a criminal case? guest: in most criminal cases, intent is required.

sometimes just the intent to do the attack. the specific intent that you want to murder someone, sometimes. in these cases, there are two prices of intent to you in the criminal investigation on whether or not classified --ormation was classified was compromise, there is something called gross negligence. if you mishandle classified information -- do not store it properly, send it to people not entitled to it, put it on it private server, send it to someone without a security clearance -- that is called gross negligence. that does not require intent other than the intent of actually compromising it. intent.ot need evil in espionage statues, you have to knowingly compromise information. no you are do something -- know that you are doing something bad. both are at play. host: do you think there was

criminal intent or gross negligence? i asked myself what what i do if i were the u.s. attorney investigating this? the first thing you knew -- you do is you look at what the former head of the nsa has called the original sin. their original sin was setting up a private server in a private residence in new york, upon which all of the secretary's government business would be conducted. she would have no .gov account, only the account in the private server. if you look at that and think why would someone do that, the question i ask myself and the answer i get is to avoid disclosure. even a. prevent people -- evade. prevent people from finding out what is going on. if it is a public server, thousands could find out.

if it is a private server, that is the intent to evade and hide. if there is a subpoena in a case,m of information they would say they do not have information, because it is on mrs. clinton's private server. that is exactly what has happened. judge emmet sullivan has thereered nobody told me is no government account. now that we know there is a private server, i want testimony from everyone involved. digenova is our guest. he has been a u.s. attorney for the district of columbia during the reagan administration. hinkley, has john been in the --

he is named special counsel by the house of representatives to 19k into teamsters in the 90's. several different positions. he and his wife have their own law firm here in washington, d.c., focusing on criminal issues? guest: criminal, regulatory. i was present at the creation of c-span with the vote in the senate to televise senate proceedings, along with my boss, the senator from maryland. we helped launch c-span, one of my proudest moments. the senator favorite cameras everywhere, including federal courts. he is not around today. we are talking about the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. the numbers are on the screen. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 748-8002 for independents.

we want to show you a little video. this is hillary clinton at a recent debate. [video clip] >> it was not the best choice. i made a mistake. it was not prohibited. not in any way disallowed. it has now come out. my present resources -- my predecessors did the same thing. to cut to the chase, i did not send or receive any e-mails mark pacified at the time. what you are talking about is retroactive classification. is whenon that happened you're asked to make information public, i asked all my e-mails to be made public, the rest of the government gets to weigh in. some other parts of the government, we are not sure who, concluded some of the e-mails should be retroactively classified. they said the same thing to

former secretary colin powell. they say we will retroactively classified e-mails you sent personally. i think he was right when he said this was an absurdity. i think what we got here is a case of overclassification. i am not concerned about it, i am not worried about it, and no democrat or american should be either. [cheering] were did theyn give you permission? >> there was no permission to be asked. my predecessor did it. >> if you get indicted, will you drop out? >> i will not even answer that. guest: what is important from the entire comment is when mrs. clinton refers to others having done it, like powell,

condoleezza rice, and madeleine albright, that is not true. while they have -- while they may have, from time to time, use their private e-mail to send an e-mail to the state department, not one of them had a private e-mail server in the basement of their home from which they conducted their government business. that is what the case is about. the case is about the server. that is the essence of the case. no isis why brian paglia important. that is why sit unit -- that is why documents are subpoenaed from those who provided service for the server. ofclearly relates to the use -- when you have that private server in your home in chappaqua and it is off the grid -- not encrypted or secured -- and you know everything going through that will theoretically be compomise double --

romisable, and when you and your staff use iphones or androids or ipads through that computer, all of that information is comp romisable. haveecretary, she may never sent a received anything classified. but that is not the standard under the statutes. the espionage and gross negligence statute say nothing about the labels on a piece of paper. what matters is the substance of the information in the communication. of anyone who is signed a nondisclosure agreement one given their top security clearance -- that i know my duty to know what is classified whether classified or not -- classification markings mean nothing when it comes to whether or not something is classified. host: if you are defending or hired to be on the other side of this issue -- you are not on

either side, this is just -- guest: i am not. host: what would you tell her? do not be interviewed by the fbi. if you live, you will be in the same boat as general petraeus. a federalive to investigator, that creates incentive to work harder on the case. but right now, given what the fbi knows, they know who is and who is not lying. they have the case locked in. and publish reports and conversations with former fbi agents, they believe they have a locked case. of howlieve the issue many people in the clinton circle in the state department involved is now a manageable number. and there may be more people immunized not high in the totem. the key may patrick kennedy, the

undersecretary for management. if i were representing mrs. clinton, she will say the state department knew i had this all along. they did not stop me. no one sees the computer. there is no correspondence saying i should not do this. unfortunately, that is not a defense. she is one of the 10 people in the u.s. government who has the generic statutory authority to classify information. there is only 10 people who can do it. she has the power to assist in d classification of that. her duty in terms of knowing things about classified information are higher. so when patrick kennedy does not stop her putting a private enough server in her home, even though after january 2009 that people may not have known that away mrs. clinton did not have a within aunt, but couple of months, everyone knew. .gov it funny there is no

e-mails from her or her staff? that point, she is in line to be president of the united states as secretary of state. to conducther job foreign policy comes the duty to understand and know classified information. that is the envelope from which operating. this is not someone who slips a paper in the wrong file and it stays out on someone's desk. this is someone with the highest class location power to use a private server to conduct all of her government is this. this has nothing to do with politics. it is illegal, per se. the government has a classified e-mail system to protect national defense information and to prevent its disclosure to unauthorized persons. the existence of that server

violates every known federal law on the protection of classified information. host: let's get to calls. joe digenova is our guest. rose is on our democrats line. been thehe should have one to go to the white house -- host: what are you referring to? caller: i am referring to that hillary clinton has so much baggage, it could fill an airplane hangar. you know? she is telling people a fairytale. that is why the fbi is going after her. they want the truth and she will not give it to them. so they will go after the people she hired to be around her. that is why they are giving them immunity, because they want the truth. host: i think we got the point.

when you, as a former prosecutor, would you have gone after brian pagliano? guest: absolutely. departmentd justice prosecutors are doing is right. you try to work your way up. people ask why have you not interviewed hillary clinton? you interview the target of an investigation last. after you talk to everyone else, subpoenaed information. have a full file. you take the people with perhaps a lot of information but no responsibility and build your way up. o is the linchpin of the case. he set up the server. was hired to do so specifically. and he never told the state department he was on the clinton private payroll. he lied on government disclosure forms. that is why he had to be given immunity. because that lie was a federal crime.

misdemeanor or felony depending on what it relates to. the point is when he did not reveal that he had two jobs for mrs. clinton, one off the payroll, that became a crime. everything else taken together, he was the perfect person to immunized. i would have done the same and probably would not have waited as long as they did. they subpoenaed records from third parties about him. bank records. records of his computer service company. that is why there is a grand jury, because they cannot subpoena without a grand jury authorizing it. they did the right thing. et.t: twe thethis point, shouldn't doj appoint an independent special prosecutor?" guest: there is no independent statute for that anymore.

but there is a justice department regulation that allows the bombing of a special counsel when there is a conflict or financial of interest. if i were loretta lynch, i would appoint a special counsel. herselfd she visit upon the responsibility of making this decision in a political year? she has a good reputation, having been year was attorney in brooklyn twice. she seems to be a seasoned prosecutor. she studiously avoided answering questions about the investigation. she did not deny there was a grand jury when she was asked that question recently. acertainly would appoint special counsel under the regulations. no matter what she does, if she refuses to go for based on the publicly available evidence, i do not know how she will justify it. the evidence requires eight grand jury beyond what --

requires a grand jury beyond what is known. that, it takes time to that person has to have a staff and get up to speed, etc. this will be fascinating to watch. host: jack, dallas, republican. caller: how're you doing? i am jack strickland. see the question addressed about the reference to -- host: sorry. we will move on to maria in new jersey. an independent. please go ahead. hello. i am so honored to talk to this gentleman. i have three questions. understand he says this pertains only to the server. he mentioned espionage.

what about treason? if she used the server to make a deal to get most of our uranium shipped to a foreign country in exchange for contributions? -- then new york times new york post said seth blumenthal would help her get contracts. this. could explain beyond impeachment, is there some other -- i do not want her let off the hook. timeld like to see prison if she is found guilty of. so i appreciate his answers. hisi hope you can give comments to judicial watch. is out of the question. anything that may have happened in the case does not appear to match these special rules in the cause of touche in an statute for treatment -- for treason.

impeachment is out because she is not in office. that is political and legal removal from office. but the issue of the foundation and its relationship to the server and any acts that may have been committed in exchange for moneys donated to the clinton foundation is part of the investigation. we know from published reports that the fbi has a copy of this book, "clinton cash." they have delved into it deeply. what has happened now is the russian-boeing deal, where boeing went after mrs. clinton to help them get a multibillion-dollar contract with the russians for boeing aircraft -- they were fighting with airbus. shortly after the russians boeing,a contract to boeing donated $900,000 to the clinton foundation, and then

another $2 million to the state department for a special program. we know agents are focusing on that. and a number of other things involving russia, including uranium deals. part of theis server, because one of the things agents have done is they have gone the server, plus another server and four servers from the state department, they are trying to recover the 30 plus thousand -- 30,000 plus e-mails mrs. clinton has said were personal and were deleted. they are operating under the theory that personal equals clinton foundation. so therefore, things were deleted about the foundation, which has something to do with cash and official acts. that is underway. the lady is correct. "we know."aid have there been leaks in the case? guest: washington is a 62 square

mile political space. we have no industry. there is not even a new car dealership in the district of columbia. gas stations.w washington is all about government. government is about connections and knowing people and passing legislation, holding hearings, issuing rulings and challenging rulings. former fbi agents talk to current fbi agents. there are few secrets in this town. one thing we know for certain is the agents assigned to this case -- now at 150, according to the latest count -- are doing both an investigation of the server and how it was used and what was compromised. as a result of analyzing the server, we know that. we know from intelligence sources, there is a major damage assessment to see what was

compromised. and we know the boeing deals and other things -- when the fbi talk to somebody about something, those people they talk to are not bound to secrecy. they talk to people and say "i had the strangest visit from the fbi about boeing aircraft." so washington is good at keeping some secrets, but not many. host: who makes up a grand jury and have there been leaks from a grand jury? guest: there has been no evidence of grand jury leaks. they are usually 16 people, citizens of the community. usually registered voters or people with driver's licenses. you do not need to be a registered voter. on a federal grand jury, use it for usually a year and, in may be once or twice a week. sometimes in special cases, you will only sit on that case and nothing else.

it is america's way of having citizens of that the evidence -- s vet the evidence. host: do we know for a fact there was a grand jury? brian pagliano was subpoenaed, there would have to be a grand jury. arlington, texas. thanks for hanging on. ander: i am an rnbsn jd criminal psychologist. we have all known about these e-mails. i work for the government many years in college -- they came and got me -- from the top to the bottom to the side to the west. texas and i could take you all the way through the line. what are you seeing about hillary clinton -- i know her well myself.

if it was not hillary clinton, this would not even be out. if she were not running for president, it would not. i want to apologize for the from texas that got very volcker. i am also from michigan. have you noticed how angry people are when they talk? i am not angry about this. i will tell of this gentleman he has not done his job. he better start doing it when he wants to talk about top to bottom. private servers are. i better stop now because they probably have my line bug now. this were not about the clintons, this would not be the case. guest: it is the reverse. there are federal employees and former federal employees who have had their clearances away fromobs taken

them, and who have gone to prison for compromising a single piece of classified information by not storing it properly. leaving it on their desk overnight. giving it to someone not authorized. it happens regularly. mrs. clinton is being given the benefit of the doubt because she is a famous and important person as former first lady, former u.s. senator, and former secretary of state. she is being given a difference that would not be accorded to a private citizen. way, i am not against that, as long as the fbi is doing their job. there is no reason to break into people's houses and confront them like the fbi usually does. in a case like this, they find 20 people involved in the case, would not go to their office. they would go to their home at 6:00 in the morning. most people never say no to fbi.

they let them in and tell them everything they know. that has not happened once. she is being given special treatment. but in one sense, that is ok. it is in one sense and it is not in another. someone likeat mrs. clinton in disrespect, but her like theyat would do anybody else. and they are, except they are not knocking on people's doors at 6:00 in the morning. bill inxt call is arizona, republican line. caller: things for taking my call. two closely related questions. the first -- do you think there is merit to the position that mrs. clinton and others have wrought up about overclassification in the current system? and the complexity of different kinds of classification?

in lightted question, of the massive hack of opm by, probably, the chinese government , when you are talking about the threat of penetration by china or russia or any actor that has extremely sophisticated howbilities in that regard, much greater security are you actually getting on government hardware versus the private route that secretary clinton took? part, theike, in outrage is over the exposure of classified information to foreign observers. host: i think we got the point. i am trying to number the first part. overclassification.

there is some overclassification. that is obvious. anyone who lives in the town knows that it is a problem. but we are not talking about overclassification. argument made hoc by the secretary and her defenders. in this case, there are 25 e-mails which have been taken off of the secretary's server special top-secret, access programs. those are accessible by very few people in the u.s. government. yet they went through the computer. that is not about overclassification. that is classification and the of that information. some of mrs. clinton's defenders have raised the issue of overclassification as kind of a discretion and an interesting thought. it has nothing to do with her server. she raised the issue of post disclosure classification, which is when you put a stamp on

something. that information was classified the moment it went wherever it went years ago. that is the standard that is used. else, at thishing point, overclassification is not her problem. host: the lead editorial on usa today. clinton's private e-mail set up undermine open records act. they write that the original sin is neither complex nor open to -- nor open to partisan misrepresentation. guest: why was the server put in chappaqua? it is put there and there were no records of a government account. here is how we know. when people file freedom of information act request to the state rep armen -- to the state

department, they got a no records response. weregot back saying there no records. no records from the secretary of inte on any e-mail accounts the state department. alarm bells should be going off everywhere in the state department. yet they did not. the state department filed affidavits under oath there were no records. at the same time, there were people in the state department who knew mrs. clinton had no government account but that all of her e-mails were going through a private server, unsecured, in chappaqua, new york. this server was set up to do exactly what it accomplished. it was designed so no records would exist at a state department. so when freedom of information act requests were filed there, the record -- the answer would be we have no record. judge sullivan just issued an order allowing judicial watch to do the depositions of a number of people around hillary clinton as to how they set this up, why

they did it, and, more importantly, why did they not tell the court they knew where , while the were state department said they did not know where they were. they were notified. all of these people were told we have a freedom of information act request under a edible court order, where are the records? said anything. that is why they will be put under oath in front of judge sullivan. host: why would an activist group like judicial watch be given the power to depose someone? guest: judge sullivan is a clinton appointee. he is offended by the fact that the freedom of information act, designed to say if i wanted to gear up when it -- what is going on in government as a private citizen, as a reporter -- they are entitled to file the request

and the government has a legal duty to respond honestly and produce the records. if they do not produce the records, they have a duty to say why. the state department said they did not have the records. of course they did not -- because the server was in new york. which they say they did not know about, but someone did. since the 1970's, we have placed access significance on to public records. this system was designed to deny access to public records. for four years. records that belong to the people of the united states. next call is from christina in michigan, independent line. caller: mr. digenova, i have forhed you and your wife years. i have not seen you for a while, but i am not surprised you are out now. you and your wife are very

republican. a couple of things i would like to ask. do i have a right to know, as a citizen, what cheney was talking about? how come we still have not found out who he met with in 2001 about energy? we were not allowed to find that out. when it comes to republican things, where have you prosecuted or given all of your wonderful experience when it comes to anybody republican? host: just to add on to what she had to say, this tweet from jack about hisask him partisan bias, ask him who was funding him. guest: i am finding myself. i have a law practice in d.c. with my wife and son. we earned money from legal fees. we do not get outside funding. no one gives us money,

especially uncle george. this is part of the political process in the u.s. i have been doing television for years, starting when i was u.s. attorney and thereafter. never had a pr person. i get calls from the media. wantuys call me and say we to talk about this. i did not solicit this interview. attorney, i.s. prosecuted one of the biggest insider-trading cases in history. it involved the deputy secretary of defense, a highly placed republican. prosecutor, it does not matter who someone's political party is. but i understand the lady's question. what matters are the facts. what at issue is not what i think, it is what the fbi thinks. for ais a grand jury reason. it is not because the fbi is a tool. some hillary clinton supporters say that the inspector general

is a tool of the republican party. under a former fbi agent the clinton administration. is terrific the lady can call and ask a question like that. ast: david brock, founder of pro-super pac for clinton has an opposing editorial in "usa today." scandal, hea writes. there is no security breach of secretary clinton's e-mail or server. she'd knowledged the decision to set up her e-mail this way was not the correct choice. she has taken full responsibility for that decision and took the step of asking the state department to make all of her work-related e-mails public. k is a famousoc

partisan who supports the clintons. he is entitled to do so. i think his piece is interesting , though it is wrong in so many places it is hard to know where to begin. the creation of the private , wasr, from its inception illegal. that was an illegal act. the establishment of that server to provide all of the e-mail to mrs. clinton and all of her staff and have government information go through it. the rest of it does not make a difference -- what she agrees you are what she wants to have released. it is not her property. deleted,ones she had which she says are personal. that belongs to the united states government. to deleteime information from a server when it has government information on it. piece andhis op-ed hope he continues to write more. host: david, democrat line. caller: good morning.

a couple of callers appreciated my thought about this gentleman being a republican partisan, especially during the clinton administration. i want to give people an example dropped.nuendo is he he mentioned he is only being funded by his law firm and snidely made a comment -- but not george sorros. sir, were you ever funded by the koch brothers -- guest: the answer is no. caller: but the fact that you did not say that, you just left it hanging out. -- guest: are you like joe mccarthy, do you have a list? caller: we have a minute to ask questions, you have the whole screen. that was a comment.

my question is you mentioned other secretaries of state did not have the server in the basement of their house. the allman's basement of their house. how many other secretaries of state had their servers elsewhere, had secret service surrounding the house. the woman's husband was president -- host: weibel revisit that. what about secretary rice and secretary powell -- we will revisit that. what about secretary rice and secretary powell who used private servers? guest: each admits that from time to time, instead of using government e-mail account, they sent messages on their private e-mail and admit they should not have done that. ashton carter, current secretary of defense, indicates he was using his private e-mail almost entirely for dod communications and realize that was a mistake when this exploded.

this is clinton's case is different from secretaries powell, albright, and rice. they did not have a private server in their life or the conduct of government business, whether in a basement or not. mrs. clinton had no other server except for the one at her house in chappaqua. every government business she did went through that server. whether this gentleman likes it or not, that was not the case with secretaries powell, albright, and rice. and when mrs. clinton said that up and did that, she committed a crime. host: david petraeus used a gmail account. guest: and in his case, he had in his possession highly classified, handwritten notes about ongoing operations paid in he gave copies of those notes to his mistress and biographer. clearly an illegal act.

clearly something he should have been prosecuted for and was. this morning, he indicated in response to a question in an interview -- do you think mrs. clinton is being treated unfairly -- he said absolutely not. i think the investigation has to go forward and it appears to be fair and justified. n in wisconsin, republican line. go ahead. good morning. this had to come from the top down. the fact that she had this server set up by the government and that she erased any material on it is a criminal offense, in my opinion. never erasedve anything. since it is a government server, anything she put on it -- the government should be able to take and use it in an investigation. i do not know who helped her set this up from the top down, but

it is going to point to people. i do not know if people will rail -- will bail on her or back her up. what she did is totally against the law. i bet you $10 this points back to something she did in libya. is that is the truth, they will hang her for it and i hope they do. host: any comments? guest: the issue is the server. the whole case goes to where it was put, why it was put there, and who put it there. that is why brian pagliano was immunized to because he was present at the creation of the crime. he is therefore a central witness. by the way, david rock -- david brock receives a lot of money from the clinton foundation. host: another tweet. digenova address

the specifics average active classification. something is found and does not have a classification mark on it. if it is something serious, the agency will look at it. if it comes from a person senior enough, they analyze it and say this was not classified by being marked at the time, and one it was sent, it was classified. so for future people, we will mark it and say it is classified. it just means that something was not marked at the time. it does not mean it was not classified. classified information is classified from the moment it is created, whether marked or not. when it is marked later, that is to help people down the road understand something. last call. cornell in oklahoma, independent. caller: hello. i remember you from the early 1990's. i think george h.w. bush supported you to investigate in bill clinton's

passport. -- host: was that correct? guest: i was appointed by federal court. -- will you apologize once hillary clinton was not indicted for anything? and she will not be indicted for anything. will you finally be man enough to apologize -- host: that was cornell. are doing ise legal commentary on something the fbi is investigating. there is beyond doubt something criminal in mrs. clinton placing a private server in her home. i take no pleasure in mrs. clinton having this problem. i take great interest in someone who was prosecuted this kinds of cases that this mean something.

and that for people who violate the law, they should be held accountable. host: another tweet. was general petraeus covered under the whistleblower law? my knowledge. nothing he did or said would have any basis whatsoever in being a whistleblower. he had classified information, new it was classified, had a duty to protect it, and did not. so his prosecution was justified. host: another tweet. sounds like of all the server was, hrc's more secure than gmail or yahoo!'s servers. guest: i do not know how that person you that. according to information from brian pagliano, now leaked to the public, the server did not have special encryption. it certainly did not have government encryption because it could not because it was not a

government server. think opm and the compromised -- i am one of the people whose information was compromised at opm. they got my and my wife's information. we believe in strong servers with great security systems. and mrs. clinton servers did not have that. gears justll change a little. we will show you a quote. we want to see if you can identify who this is from and what you think of it. "judge garland is a profoundly serious guy who really would be the kind of person you want to have on the supreme court. if obama wants to get a fantastic judge on the court, he's got one ready to go in merrick garland." this is from the new york times, 2010. is me.that i have known him for many years. he is a fabulous judge. a decent human being.

wonderful guy. and unfortunately got himself in the middle of a political battle where his merits are not at issue. he is a great down. he is a phenomenal person. and in this morning's "usa today, co alberto gonzales, former attorney general for george to be bush says give judge garland a senate vote. may end up on the courts. if hillary clinton wins, the senate could vote him in right -- ato keep a more literal more liberal judge from the court. has been ourenova guest. his wife will be on the tv this weekend. she will interview john yu about his most recent books. that will be on book tv this weekend. joe digenova, thank you. guest: it was a real pleasure.

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mcconnelleader mitch sought to dismiss the fight over the court vacancy. that should be set aside like some routine piece of failed legislation. senator hatch and other suggested republicans might take up garland's nomination should hillary clinton or bernie sanders win the white house. and outraged judiciary committee republicans to consider republicans d duplicitous. from the fed page --

now to your phone calls, gloria is and will retain oklahoma, republican line, high. -- is in oklahoma, republican line. , i forgete attorney himname, i agree with fully, everything he said. ishink that hillary clinton reaping what she has sown. like all of us we have to all be accountable for everything we do. the wall street journal

and new york times editorial pages rarely agree. going to read portions of both their editorials. this is the wall street journal --

the new york times take different attacks on their arguments but they agree on something. you are on c-span, go ahead. i'm calling about the flint michigan water crisis. i watched the whole thing. it amazes me that the republicans who sit on that epa,ttee interrogated the and how they tried to cover for governor schneider, even though he is the one to blame on this.

funny when the republican establishment -- for years the establishment wanted to do away with the epa. here this is what happens in michigan. a republican took over the state and this is what happened. instead of blaming words indeed the -- blaming where the blame needs to be placed, they blame the epa. i find it funny when they put it , i just thinkhing -- robert is in south massachusetts. what is on your mind? caller: i want to go the sentiment of the woman from m

wisconsin. i want to thank c-span for presenting the congressional appropriations committee from the department of defense that occurred yesterday and of course the national institute of health. of course they had a wonderful arraignment and selection of the directors giving testimony. -- whatlly upsets me pleases me is a fantastic ,ommittee, bipartisan committee very smart. when you look at the quality and caliber of the folks -- fantastic.

all of thewith things they do in particular, cancer research, alzheimer's research, infectious disease, or write down the line. their budget is only $31 billion per year. they are touching on all of these illnesses alone. alzheimer's disease consumes $200 billion per year in terms and services required. host: do you work in the medical field? caller: i do. unimpressed with -- we are going to move on to joe from north carolina. i am very critical of c-span. you just had a guest on who says -- new that the fbi

there was a knock on her door in the morning. she knew the published authors on the desks of fbi headquarters. he knew about grand jury testimony when we don't know there is a grand jury. now his wife is going to actionew somebody about in the obama administration. is this the quality broadcasting you want on your program? disappointed, and i think you need to look within yourself and see how far you are going to go to appease the extremists. that is joe on our democrats line. as joe and everybody else has watched c-span through the years

knows, we present lots of points of view. you may be ticked off at some others, that is the whole point. edward from louisville, kentucky. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, -- caller: c-span is doing a better job than anybody. you mentioned judge garland, as far as i'm concerned he is against the second amendment. we don't want to point him to him -- wee -- point don't want to appoint him to the supreme court. host: from the new york times --

in ohio exit polls showed a sharp turn out from 2008 -- next call is leslie right here in washington dc. you are on the washington journal. caller: good morning.

i really enjoyed the last interview from the lawyer. how this eliminated whole clinton e-mail situation started. by the time i tuned in, all i itw was she was saying wasn't classified. it was very detailed and informative of the different steps that have gone on the way and opportunities where she wholehave prevented the situation from getting bigger and bigger. wanted to note that when it comes to these conference -- comes to these confirmation , it really angers me when people elected to public -- based on whatever excuse or reason, whether it is tradition, whether it is history, whether it is whatever type of rationality.

it is frustrating when people are running for office, especially the higher office in the land, where they make these than basic laws and rules that come along with the job. host: what do you do here in washington? caller: i madden entrepreneurs office. host: in greensboro, north carolina, democrat line. i want to make two quick comments. i felt like after listening to the attorney, i felt like i was watching dirty politics. i think it was awful. it sounded like he prosecuted the case.

like that, ae counterpoint person should have been there at the same time. the second comment i wanted to not, if the republicans do confirm the presidents nominate by the time of the election, i hope he would withdraw his nomination. it is not fair that would sit on that and wait to see who wins. even though the person seems like an excellent person, and then for them to wait to see who wins. it by theve not done time -- i hope he would withdraw. calling in from north carolina this morning. from politico --

there is another article about mr. ryan in the washington times this morning. here's the headline -- here is paul ryan yesterday. >> no person running for the republican nominee gets to knock on the first ballot, you will unequivocally -- >> it is not me. i made it pretty clear with the

candidacy. i saw john boehner last night and i told him to knock it off. used slightly different words, i used his own words they used to use against us. it is not going to be me. it should be somebody running for president. i made a decision over a year ago not to run for president. i really believe if you want to be president, you should run for president. andle are campaigning caucusing. there are primaries. that is who we should select from. let's put the stress and move on. a contested convention is looking more likely, says the speaker. it is increasingly likely there is a potential for a contested convention. the next call for us this morning comes from

massachusetts. caller: good morning. i don't understand certain things in politics, and i will share with you, if the president nominated judge garland, why is to contradictng him and what happened at harvard university. if you are trying to get a youirmation on some level, don't even get a chance if you find out to be elected or not. then garland's message will be dissolved. lie not confirm them and then play fair and wait for the election to be over. then you will find out who is in

the supreme court. host: this is michael in dallas. i'm calling from a black neighborhood in dallas and i had to choose republican, that's the only way i can get through. host: you are not a republican? caller: no way in the world i can be a republican. host: i'm going to give you 10 much of we don't ask anything but colin on the line you are supposed to. you know that rule. georgia.in augusta are you with us? last chance for tommy. in fortn to susan myers, florida. good morning, thank you

for taking my call. i wanted to make an observation of both gop and democratic candidates. it is that minority -- it is the minority that nobody has mentioned, the native american indians. nobody is addressing that. host: what would you like to see them address? on the reservations, their way of life, they do have a difficult time. there are issues. host: from bloomberg, cleveland,

one step ahead of trumps convention. daniel, republican, fresno california. i just want to make a general statement about the corruption of both the house and the senate and the president as well. when the doj is looking into

blocking up climate deniers, that may be take stock of what is going on. you see thatid loretta lynch is going to lock up climate deniers? she is looking at that, she is looking at the possibility of putting people who deny climate change into jail. host: if you can give me a reference where you saw that. caller: i saw that on the tv and internet. host: i haven't seen that. caller: the bills the congress and the house are sending to get voted on, things like the vaccine bill to make doctors and nurses and people that take care forced them to get vaccines, that is a bill waiting to go in.

what are these people in congress and the senate seeking? it is very easy to see they are not americans. is the blaze -- attorney general lynch testifies -- just reading the headline there. kurt, what is on your mind this friday morning? i just feel the , i turned to fox and other stations to see what the .roup would say

he seems like he is a hatchet man. he has been on other stations and has a lot of allocations -- a lot of allegations. host: what do you do in -- to wait until he calls back to find a what he does there. of the washington post, this is a new three-part series, the great unsettling. they travel the country talking to voters. so much anger out there in america. anger at police shootings and young black men.

obama -- resident that is the opening of a new series coming out in the washington post. jamie in massachusetts, second call in the last 10 minutes.

it's tommy. you are like buster keaton, the great stone face. i have always been an independent, never registered either party, and i would like to suggest to black people that the democratic party takes your vote for granted. it seems that 90% of the black call is on washington journal are very into republican. =-nd bob 00 -- and baba bouey. the reason i'm having trouble reading this screen is we have different fonts and different looks for the screen, so i'm a little clunky, i apologize. go ahead mike, from kansas.

commenti want to make a to a lot of the folks out there that say trump has the uneducated following. i may be an educated, i'm a not have a college degree, but i'm a smart man. we are tired of not having jobs, there is nothing out there for us. when you are busting your tail day after day, it is hard for anybody not to be angry. some say chump may go too far, he may not go far enough. he is representing the angry majority in america now. these politicians have done nothing for us. we have gotten promise after promise after promise. there is no wonder everybody is voting for trump. disgraceful what the rnc is doing right now. as far as i'm concerned that is what we will continue to do.

what do you do in enterprise kansas? caller: i work for a company market --all kinds of we do lawn moving equipment, groundskeeping equipment, stuff like that. the c-span bus, if you have been around the country, you have seen it around the country. it is going to be very busy. currently the c-span bus is in ohio, where it has made several stops at high schools and universities throughout the state. it went to a polling location on primary day. our partners there are time warner cable. toledo, athens, columbus. off our annual

student camera winner ceremony, by visiting the second price student cam winner. ohio where -- ohio residents .ave been touring the bus it allows you to watch all the candidate speeches and events from the campaign trail. been sharing also their thoughts on the upcoming election. you can follow them up on twitter. to get more information about where the buses going, more information about student cam, and more information about whether or not you would like the bus to visit your community. we've got this text, and i want to respond to this. this is from mason.

mason, i would guess -- i don't know our schedule, but i would guess yes. it may even re-aired tonight. you can type in michigan drinking water or government reform hearing, and you can watch the entire thing online. it is several hours in length. it is quite lively. i know we played it a couple of times yesterday. sundayis going to air on at 1:50 p.m. eastern time. in just a few minutes we are going to wrap up today's show.

the president of the naacp is at the national press club. there going to go over and watch him do his speech and take some questions. live coverage on c-span. this is going to wrap up washington journal for today. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]