florida, you know, he was the future, he was the future of the republican party, except i won florida in a landslide because people are tired of what politicians are doing to the country, remember that. they are tired of it. they are sick and tired of it. so we are going to make change, but it is not going to be obama change. remember obama? change! this is going to be real change and we are going to have a border and unless you have a border, you don't have a country, folks, you don't have a country. remember that. now, in addition, and we will go through a list of things very quickly, because frankly, it doesn't take a long time, we are we are going to end, and core. we going to bring education. education will be local. everybody wants it. we don't want our children educated by bureaucrats from

washington, d.c., so we and common core education. local. we're going to terminate obamacare. we are going to repeal it and replace it with great health care for far less money. that's going to happen. that is going to happen. we're going to protect our second amendment. our second amendment. remember, it is under seizure like you have never seen before and we are going to protect it will stop you know, in paris which has the toughest gun laws in the world. the world. no tougher gun laws they in in paris. anywhere in the world. tough. and guess what? 130 people dead, and no bullets going in the opposite direction. boom. boom. boom.

the same thing happened in california. 14 people. radicalized people. she probably radicalized him. they went in and killed people that they worked with, that they supposedly liked. it is not going to happen anymore, folks. it is not going to happen. we are going to be smart, we are going to be vigilant, we are going to be smart people, we are going to be proud of our country again. our military is depleted. our military is exhausted. we don't replenish. we take, we don't replenish. we send the best equipment in the world over to wherever we are sending it. we don't even know. i don't even think we know where we are sending it. and a bullet gets fired in the people fleeing and the enemy takes over this great equipment and they have better equipment in we do and they are using our equipment. .hose days are done those days are done!

[applause] mr. trump: we are going to rebuild our military. it is going to be bigger, better, and stronger than ever, and hopefully nobody, nobody will have to use it. but i guarantee you this, nobody, and i mean nobody, is going to mess with us anymore. all right? nobody. [crowd chanting] >> we love you, donald trump. mr. trump: i love you, too. you know, i have such a soft spot for this country. no matter where we go we have crowds like this. this is a pretty one. in alabama, we had 35,000 people, oklahoma, no matter

where we go, we have these massive crowds. and by the way, are we winning or what? look at the numbers! man! you know it is really, it is really amazing, you know to me, it is really amazing. we have one now, i think 21 states. ok? 21 states. and we have one in massive, massive lance signs. starting a new hams -- massive landslides. i won in new hampshire, i wasn't supposed to win in new hampshire, and ted cruz, he wasn't born in this country, folks, and he shouldn't even be in this country, and he shouldn't be in this group that we are talking about. but ted cruz, was supposed to win. to wininitely was going in south carolina, so i go to new hampshire, we went in a massive landslide. we go to south carolina where we e-vangelicals. 68%.

lyin' ted, we call him lyin' ted. so he comes up with a bible and he puts it down and you know what? he starts lyin'. and you know what? the e-vangelicals don't like liars. that was going to be an easy victory and trump wins it in a landslide. right? in a landslide. and then one after another, we go and we win in nevada, a landslide, we win in the sec, we did so great, and we had a great day on tuesday. you know that? we won five. five. and then i heard ted cruz the other day, saying, i am the only one who can stop trump, i am the only one. do you ever hear this guy? and he said, i beat him five times, and i thought, wait a minute, i beat him 20 times. what is going on? lyin' ted, lyin' ted. and you know what, i will tell you, john kasich is a nice guy,

but honestly, very weak on illegal immigration. that is the and of him. certainly as far as been is his concern. -- certainly as far as phoenix is concerned. but he is done. as far as arizona is concerned, john kasich is very, very weak as you know. and another thing that i don't like, he approved nafta. when you approve nafta, a lot of your businesses had left. he is also in favor of tpp, and so, by the way, is ted cruz. tpp is a disaster. tpp is the transpacific partnership, it is a disaster, it is going to take away the businesses, it is going to decimate the automobile industry. you do not want it. you do not need it. once i get into the office, folks. i am going to take care of it. you don't do trade with massive amounts of countries, folks, you do it one at a time, one at a time, one at a time.

if they don't cooperate, we terminate. and then you put them in the shed, and then maybe we let them come back. you know, i built a great company, a massive company, a fantastic company, and i filed, i did my filings, and oh, they were so unhappy with it. when they saw, they thought, maybe it is not so good. a phenomenal company. some of the greatest assets of the world. very little debt. very, very -- a lot of cash flow. i say this not to brag, but to show you that we need this. this is the kind of mentality we need in the country. at least for a. at least for a while. we have $19 trillion in debt, $19 trillion. who even knows what one trillion is? you know, 5, 6, 7 years ago you never even heard the term. we have $19 trillion in debt, going to $21 trillion, and they just approved in the congress a

budget, it is a disaster, they call it the omnibus, the omnibus, it is a disaster, it bonds of obamacare. it bonds assyrians coming into the united states. we have no idea who they are. immigrants illegal coming into your border, right through phoenix, right through arizona, all of these things are funded with a budget that they approved and i think it took them something like 12 minutes to approve the budget. not going to happen anymore, folks, not going to happen. so here is story, bottom line, the bottom line. it is, first of all, it is great to be with you. this is incredible. we expected, and this was just set up recently, and we had, by the way, last night, i don't know if you saw, we had an unbelievable evening and salt lake city, utah and i hope they

go with us. i hope they go with us. i said, we have to stop there. we stopped and we had an amazing it there. thatet me just tell you the way that i finished, it is simple, our country is not winning anymore. our trade is a disaster. china, it is one of the great robberies in the history of the world, what china has done to our country. china has been rebuilt because of the money and the jobs we have lost and the money we have given them. we have rebuilt china and they know it. i have many friends from china. i don't have any objection to china, i think it's wonderful, i am angry at our people, not their people, if you can get away with it. so look, we have rebuilt china. and, it is not free trade, it is not anything, this is horrible, stupid trade. when you have in him balance of -- when you have an imbalance of

$500 billion a year, folks, we've got to get smart. carl icahn, i have the greatest negotiators in the world. we had pfizer, a great company, pfizer, they just announced they are leaving. the great drug company. thousands of jobs. they are going to ireland. many companies as you know are going to mexico. nabisco, ford, where are they going? mexico. mexico, mark my words, exit code -- mexico is a small version of china. and we better get smart and we better get smart quickly. you know, i told this story and i tell the story it is sort of obvious and it is related to a lot of things. banca, and daughter i've -- ivanka, she told me to act presidential, act presidential. she said, in the next debate, act presidential. i did not hit little marco, i didn't

attack little marko, and i didn't attack ted, lyin' ted, lyin' ted. i really wanted to impress my daughter and wife. you know, i have one every single debate according to the online polls. i don't know. you know ted cruz is a great debater but he cannot talk. mumbling noises] chop: i say we make is before the convention, by the way. you have these stiffs like mitt romney. the guy is a total stiff. did he let us down? this guy is a loser. did he let us down? i mean, here is a guy, he goes up, he is so devastated, he forgot the campaign in the final month, he gave it to obama. i am going to win, i am going to

beat: ovary -- i am going to beat hillary. i am going to be turned so badly. beat her so badly. but let me tell you, beating obama four years ago was easier than beating hillary clinton now, believe me. and mitt romney choked. pure and simple. he choked, he choked like a dog, and that's not going to happen. that's not good to happen with me. so here's the story. here's the story. come on back, folks. come on back. you left. we had incompetent leadership. you left. some folks said, we are not coming back, we had incompetent leadership, but now we can bring you back. you went to mexico, will bring you back. jeb or said i am not conservative. but i am conservative. and i am smart. and look, i spent $48 million in new hampshire, -- jeb spent $48 million in new hampshire, and i spent some money, too, my own money, but i won. he is a joke. people who have no clue about money or deals that have not

read "the art of the deal" in all fairness, it is not of interest to them. look at john kerry. look at the deal he made with iran. one of the worst deals ever negotiated. one of the worst deals ever negotiated. look at it, it is a disgrace, it is an embarrassment. by the way, on that deal, we should have never, ever, even started, until we got those prisoners back, we should have years ago, and once we got them back, we should have told them, by the way, the $150 billion, no, we are a debtor's nation, folks. sorry, you are not getting the

money. and you know what? after about two days of turmoil, we would have saved, believe me, 150 billion dollars. that deal is such an embarrassment. well, our trade deals are just like that. one,ant bergdahl, five for all right? bergdahl, he is just like that. bergdahl, he is a traitor. we get bergdahl, and we get to give them five of the great killers that they have coveted. those guys are now back on the battlefield, trying to kill us all, and we've got a traitor. big deal. and by the way, a traitor that has supposedly, supposedly, five or six young beautiful soldiers were killed trying to get him back. ok? that is our deal. that is the way we negotiate. not going to happen anymore. ok? not going to happen anymore. so what we are going to do is we are going to tell our wonderful businesses that deserted us, they left us, and i'm not even blaming them, they had no reason

not to, because nobody talks -- you think somebody went to carry her and said, you listen coming you let all of these people go, don't go to mexico? they don't do that. so they move into mexico, and i would say, and i would do it myself, i know it is not presidential, it is not presidential, it is not presidential for the president of the united states to call up the head of carrier, "hello, this is the president." but i don't care. it is so much fun for me. please, don't take that away. please don't take that away from me. i love deals. so whether it is one of me or one of my representatives, i know the good ones, i know the bad ones, that whether it is one of these killers or one of some -- or whether it is me, please,

let me do it. at least for carrier, please. so i call up, and they would say, the president of the united states is calling the president of carrier, get them on the phone, i would say, "good luck in mexico, enjoy your stay, but here is the story, you let go of 14,000 people that helped to build your company, and i really love, by the way, i really love the new pictures of your facility. here's the story. every single air conditioning unit that you make, every single one, as it crosses the border, and we are going to have a real border, because we are going to have a wall, we are going to have a real border, ok? good, --ng to have a a we're going to have a big, beautiful wall that nobody is crossing, just in case you had any questions, don't worry about the tunnels and stuff, nobody is going over it and nobody is going over it and we are going to have a big, beautiful door, but people are going to be coming into our country legally, legally,

legally! so i tell the head of carrier, everything will unit that you make in mexico and that you sell in the united states, we are going to put a 35% tax on that unit, and i hope it works out well for you." and here is what is going to happen, they are going to have lobbyists call me, but i didn't take any money, they are going to have special interest call me , but i did not take any of their money. they are going to have donors, donors, donors, but i didn't take any money, i don't give a damn for them, folks. i care about you. and here is what is going to happen. within 24 hours of that phone call, ahead of carrier and ford -- the head of carrier and ford and so many other companies, i mean, you just take a look, i could give you a list and you could read them all day, the head of nabisco, leaving chicago with their plant, they are headed to mexico, no more oreos for us, no more oreos to eat.

i am not going to eat oreos anymore, i guarantee. so here is what is going to happen, folks, i will get a call within 24 hours, a president of carrier, "mr. president, we have decided to stay in the united states." and then i would say, "thank you very much. i don't care if you build it in phoenix or arizona, or anywhere in particular, we just want it in the united states." right? and, this is going to happen a lot. we don't win anymore. we don't win at anything. we don't win at anything. we don't win at anything. we cannot beat isis. how about general george patton? he is too tough. he is too tough. he couldn't be a general anymore because he is too tough. he is not politically correct. by the way, chipping away, just like i said, chipping away at the second amendment, they are chipping away at christianity, they are chipping away at our religion, they are not going to

-- we are not going to happen to anymore. to christmas time, we are going to put up signs that say, "merry, merry, merry christmas!" so politically correct that we are totally impotent as a country. here is what is going to happen. we are going to rebuild our military. we are going to knock the hell -- the hell out of isis and we are going to rebuild our country, we are going to rebuild our country. we're going to rebuild our country. our country is going to be so strong. somebody at that company that stole the equipment had political connections to these characters that i run against. we are going to have a great

military and we are going to finally, finally take care of our great veterans, we're going to take care of them. so we are going to win with the military, we are going to win. oh, thank you, look at you. [chuckling] mr. trump: look at you. usa is right. usa. crowd: usa! usa! usa! usa! usa! mr. trump: thank you. so, folks, we are going to start winning again. we are going to win with our military, we are going to win for our vets, we're going to win for our vets, right? we are going to win for our veterans, we are going to win with education, we're going to win with our military. we are going to win with a obamacare, we are going to get rid of it and going to make something much better, we're going to win with every aspect of our lives. we're going to win big league

with our second amendment. we are going to keep winning at every level. we are going to win so much that you are going to common you are going to say, "mr. president, we are winning so much, i can't stand it anymore," and i'm good say, "i don't care." this is for the people of phoenix, and the people of arizona, we're going to win a for our border, and we are going to build a wall, and ladies and gentlemen, i love you. you have to go out. you have to vote on tuesday. you will never be disappointed with me. i am not going to disappoint you. we are going to bring our country back. we are to take our country back. we are going to have victories again. you're going to be so proud of your family, yourself, your president and your country. we are going to win again all the time. thank you very much. i love you. i love you. thank you very much. thank you. thank you. thank you, everybody.

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yeah! yeah! yeah, yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! y'all ready for this? mr. trump: thank you, everybody. >> we will hit her from donald trump and the remaining presidential candidates monday. at the annual policy conference and washington, d.c. we will have full coverage beginning up monday at 5:00 p.m. on c-span two. announcer: a number of rabbis are planning to boycott trumps speech on monday. the politics

enterprise and investigations reporter for the washington post. thank you for being with us. who are these rabbis and what is there message? rosalind: there are 40 of these rabbis but i have been told the group is growing, largely from the reform movements of judaism whose numbers tend to be more liberal politically than other forms of judaism. i was told this was a movement that grew up out of a lot of angst about the best way to respond to donald trump and there are some conversations about people jeering donald trump or turning next to them. the rabbis wanted to make it clear that they did not object to hearing get the invitation for mr. trump to speak at aipac. they did not want to treat him rudely and contribute to the

toxic atmosphere around him but messageld just send a by not going. simply not appearing at event. on whatncerns of breast he is said on israel issues -- has said heat would be neutral. they rest on the rhetoric about aat he is said on immigrants, religious test for immigrants. what he is said about women. some of the issues they feel like are not welcoming and inclusive, which are important values for them. >> any reaction from the trump campaign? they saidve said that

many of their best friends are jewish, many of his company executives are jewish, he has been a strong supporter of israel and they cited a number of things. he marched in a parade in new york city that was a pro-israeli parade. he has received an award from a jewish organization. he just gave an interview in an israeli newspaper where he promised to be the best friend and israeli can have. so, they are pushing back which is not always their way. trying to persuade the wary, which has not always been trumps message in this campaign so far. many times, he speaks only to his fans. >> does this spell some potential albums for trump? he is on the road to securing the nomination. did this be the beginning of some internal strife within the key constituency of the gop? >> at another thing we looked at was not just the rabbinic effort

but the conversation among republican jews, among whom there is not an enormous number but some are very influential and there is a punk's within the angst in that community that mimics the deep concern of the republican party. the republican jewish coalition is meeting in las vegas next month, and the meeting is expected to be dominated about how to greet trump -- can they endorse them, or do they feel like he is not a candidate they can support? host: what can we expect from the other candidates -- governor kasich and senator cruz will speak before the aipac conference, and on the democratic side, they will hear from vice president joe biden, and secretary of state, now democratic front runner, hillary clinton. ms. helder meant: yeah, i was told that this is a very specific audience that wants

policies post -- policy specifics, and there will be a strong effort by hillary clinton to contrast herself with trump, to give a specific, policy-oriented address that includes -- but, of course, one that a pro-israel group will want to hear. she will, i would imagine, express her long support for a two-state solution, but particularly for the israeli government, and do it with some level of seriousness. in some ways, that is one of the most interesting things to see about trump -- the tone. he is not one who generally gives written speeches that take on issues of policy in any depth, and this is an audience that is going to expect that of him, and it will be interesting to see what it looks like on him to give a serious policy address, or if he does not choose to do that, even if that is what the audience is expecting. >> let me ask about ari fleischer, who served in the george w bush administration,

and you quoted him as saying normally reliable jewish voters see reason to doubt donald trump and question him. ms. helderman: mr. trump, since he started his presidential campaign, in one breath he will say he is the most pro-israel candidate amongst the republicans running, and then he will say he is not sure there could be a peace deal because he is not sure israel wants one. tobting their commitment peace, which is not something that has gone over well in the republican jewish community. he has repeatedly said he thinks this will be a negotiation, he is a great negotiator, but you have to go in neutral. that neutrality word is not something the republican jewish community wants to hear. so as fleischer said, there have been significant doubts in that community. >> the headline at

washingtonpost.com -- it is available online at washingtonpost.com. thank you for joining us from the newsroom. ms. helderman: thank you for having me. as the director of military and veteran affairs in ohio, many veterans have talked -- have come to my office to talk about who they want to vote for. whether you vote democratic or republican, it is your civic duty to vote. many things are at stake, so vote for the candidate who best supports your causes and the future of this nation. >> i am here in toledo, ohio. my candidate is the most viable alternative to the mainstream. most about things that are most important to the country. i encourage everyone to go out

and support bernie. the most important thing in this collection has to be college tuition, as well as jobs. when college graduates leave school, they don't know how to when they leave college, they don't know what the future is going to look like, who is bringing jobs back, and things like that. i was originally going to vote for bernie sanders. however, since i am not that politically inclined, i ended up going with hillary because she seems more knowledgeable, and she has been in a political environment before, and she has been secretary of state, and she has already seen the inner workings of the white house and how the game goes. coming up next, from "washington journal," a look at

the possibility of a brokered or contested convention this summer, when republicans me to vote on a presidential nominee. and a discussion on race in america, with documentary filmmaker ken burns and harvard professor henry louis gates junior. security, a homeland hearing on the u.s. visa program with immigration officials in the homeland security department possible specter general stop -- homeland security department's inspector general. here to talk politics is adam warner, in particular, the potential for a convention that would be either brokered or contested, particularly focusing on the republican side. why are these terms entering the political dialogue now? adam: the reason people are talking about the possibility is because there has been a good chance that no candidate will come into the republican convention in july in cleveland with the majority of delegates , 1237, to clinch

the nomination. that's kind of the magic number. candidate who has a viable mathematical path to get there. ,ed cruz would need to win 80% john kasich, it is mathematically impossible. he can't even win the nomination. donald trump is really the only candidate who has an opportunity to reach this magic number, but he very does not and no candidate enters the convention without that magic number, 1237, it becomes contested. host: all the coverage of conventions has been largely a coronation ceremony. help us define the terms. your talking about a contention -- contested convention, people talk about brokered. adam: there is a slight difference but they generally mean the same thing. if no candidate has majority of , it is open because no candidate has clinched the nomination.

as you mentioned, it is kind of a foregone conclusion. we have had this roll call vote where of delegates was a really are for. in the past we knew mitt romney had the delegates he needed. in 2008 john mccain had the delegates he needed. this time, none of them will have the necessary delegates, and after the first round of balloting, if no candidate can 1237 delegates, we move on to the second round of balloting, and then it becomes brokered. of the delegates become on downs and they don't have to support the candidate they came in bounded to. host: donald trump leading with some 673 in terms of delegates, and another round of primaries coming up tuesday, but not big delegate numbers. arizona we have utah and idaho. adam: on the democratic side. host: on the republican side,

arizona and utah. it is the timeline for donald trump getting that number? we are going to have issues in cleveland. adam: we may not know until the very last day of the primary calendar, june 7, when there are 300 at stake with big states like california. there aren't a lot of big delegate-rich states left on the calendar. every week we have a handful of dates here and there. important because donald trump is about on track where he needs to be. he is about 97% where he needs to be. every state, no matter how big or small, every delegate is going to matter in the end. we may not know until june 7 the outcome whether there is 300 delegates at stake, whether donald trump clinches the nomination, or if we going to have open convention. host: we are going to open the phone lines.

202-748, 2000 for republicans, 202-748, 2001 for republicans. 202-748, 2002 for independence. doctor withdrawn candidates delegates, marco rubio had 169 delegates, one for mike huckabee, four for jeb bush, ben carson had eight. they spread out, the delegates are somewhat bound to the candidate, 39. some i candidate can choose to release the delegate, in the case of marco rubio 42. 98 become free agents. is there any chance these numbers, particular the marco rubio delegates, can help ted cruz? adam: absolutely. this will be important to watch,

these unbound delegates were not pledged. going in a thing we have a contested convention, almost all of them will be bound to a candidate on the first ballot more than 90%. that is still a sizable chunk that is not bound. and donald trump who is only 200 or so short, the delegates will be really crucial who supported a different candidate and now dropped out. they are free to support with a watch. i handful of states like hold ao, they did not preference poll, so they are elected delegates directly. those are unbound. they will play a huge role in this. host: in terms of the next primary, are they preparing for the potential -- what are they doing to prepare for the potential of a contested convention? adam: the important thing to keep in mind, even though donald trump, john kasich, and ted cruz have earned a lot of delegates, we do not acting of who they are. that process will go under when

states have their conventions in may and june. most candidates don't have a lot of say over who the delegates are. in most cases it is state parties that control the process. campaigns that be really well organized. many to go to each convention and make sure they have their people running for the delegate slots, they stay with them in the convention in cleveland. the first caller in florida, independent line. , i willgood morning make a brief statement of my analysis, and i would like to hear with the gentleman has to say. i do like any of this matters. what i think is happening is you have hillary on one side with her left-wing corporatist backers, powerbrokers. on the right side you have right-wing powered brokers, and you have tom cruise. ruz. ump c i think plan b was always marco

rubio, but clancy is always hillary clinton. we can live with that. if i put in a briar type, they get corporate wishes. the right-wing wing people don't get the social issues. hillary gets it, she puts in another ginsburg when she goes. in the right-wing elite go and look at the voters, the trump and cruz and say listen to us. it is all a big scam when they put the knife in a brokered convention or another candidate. the only need to shift a 5% of vote. i appreciate your time. thank you very much. host: real distrust of the process. adam: this is going to be a huge issue for the republicans. even if donald trump enters the convention and isn't the nominee, he will have more nominee -- more delegates than anyone else. and someone else like donald trump can look like they

basically stole this nomination from him. donald trump there would say there was protests if it doesn't happen. you've got to be careful with this, even if donald trump comes into the convention without having clinched the nomination, they does the would it mean for his supporters if he doesn't win the nomination. they could revolt and look to a third-party, and that would divide them. host: let's go to the republican line in san diego. roberto. caller: as a lifelong republican , although i voted for whoever i thought would do the best job, etc., donald trump brought on his own problems. i have been offended by them and i'm a white 79-year-old woman. i never speak about people in the way he has spoken. that there is a bit of truth to a lot of things he says.

andkipping everybody up making all hispanic drug dealers and rapists and stuff like that, he has brought on his own grief within the party. he has brought that on himself. he can't blame anyone else. i don't know if it is worth it to throw our values as a country away just to get elected for anybody, if it is mr. obama and the administration, or mr. trump running for president. i do think he will surround himself with people who are intelligent and informed and who will give him good advice, and i do think they will listen, which i don't think we have to listen to this at ministration today. host: in reaction to her comment. adam: you talked about some of the more establishment aligned republicans who are being forced to choose between donald trump or ted cruz. someone actually prove donald trump because they could at least work with them, he is malleable, can be flexible.

paltrow has said himself he can be flexible. -- donald trump has said himself he can be flexible. ted cruz is more set in his ways. they perceive him tougher to work with. host: this goes to your point about what you talked about campaigns having to work each state in terms of their state conventions or the meetings to select delegates. i would assume those delegates or a bit more, they are party people. they participated in the party for some period of time, whether three years or 30 years. states holding republican contests, these are .lected through the state party these are not just going to be random people off the street. they are people involved in state parties whether they are activists or donors. many of them may be uncomfortable with donald trump,

and a baby bound to him on the first ballot, but moving beyond that, they become unbound and they are free to support another candidate. host: have you heard anything to reach out to those delegates who are not elected so far? adam: ted cruz is the most active on this front, making sure they have paid staffers on the ground and states that have already voted. they are trained to keep activists networks in place. they seem to be making the biggest push to ensure these people are on the delegate slates. even if they have a support a different candidate on the first round, it will be with them on the second. host: adam wollner is a political correspondent for the national journal. and now we have the democrats line. caller: good morning. i would like to get the reporter's opinion about something i saw last night on the rachel maddow show. she had the man who organized for ron paul during the 2012 campaign. he said that donald trump is not

that organized. when they get to the state convention, he said in fact louisiana had there's already. he said, i guarantee you donald trump delegates are not going to be lured to donald trump after that first ballot, because i guarantee they are left over rick santorum and mitt romney delegates. donald trump cannot get enough slates put up in all of these state conventions. his opinion was, unless donald trump walks in with 1237, unless he walks in with 1236, they will not be loyal after that first ballot. he has zero chance of getting the nomination no matter how bad it looks. i would like his opinion on that. adam: but is a great point. donald trump does not have the strongest amount of damage in any of the states that voted so far. he has gotten so much media coverage and people are able to if they want to support him even if they weren't

contacted by the campaign. this will be really important going back, you mentioned how ted cruz is really organized. kasich does not have the organizes to be -- materials to be organized. and ted cruz does. if trump does not come into the convention with the 1237 number, i don't think he has the organization to make sure his delegates are going to stay with him throughout the convention process. host: whether or not is it is convention -- contested, the chairman aims to beat switzerland-- be with his role. our minds around the idea that this could very well become a reality, and therefore those of us involved in the convention into respect to that. he spoke to reporters on capitol hill during a briefing. here is what he had to say. [video clip] >> i learned after becoming

, so ir of the convention will obviously have to phone up on all the rules and those things. my goal is to be dispassionate and to be switzerland. be neutral and dispassionate and make sure the rule of law prevails. and make sure the delegates make their decision however the rule is required to do that. i will appoint myself with these things very i am pretty busy trying to get congress moving in the right direction. host: it would also seem to be difficult to beat switzerland in the heat of the brokered convention. adam: there is only so much he can do, because a lot of these rules are set in place in the state. if they can't really change a lot of things going into the convention. so for paul ryan, this is really all he can do right now. people are floating his name as a permanent white night in the

balloting. even john boehner floated him as a potential nominee. paul ryan shut that down immediately. line, and wedent have dale and new jersey. caller: hi, i have been supporting bernie sanders up to this point, and contributed $350 in support. my concern is that if you look at the history -- in 1968 you had a brokered convention in chicago were fewer humphrey, who had not even been on the ballot, candidate.ing that the democrats were out of office until watergate. realistically it had not been until watergate, they could have been out another 12 years. my concern as a sanders supporter, and i think everyone in the country should be concerned about, is that millions of voters have had --

have chosen for their candidate, and the petty bosses and their tools have the option to ignore them. and to this end, i am wondering, only to hear your guest's opinion, if we should march on the cleveland convention, if that would help people do the right thing. reasonable voters who they can neglect -- these invisible voters who they can neglect -- if it were one million or 2 million people standing outside the convention. adam: it can be very tough for republicans to ignore the trump nomination if he comes in with a plurality, which looks like will happen. scores on the democratic side it is different. a lot of bernie sanders supporters are upset with the way the superdelegate system works, or you have these unpledged delegates were state party leaders who are free to escort any candidate. you don't have this on the republican side. on the democratic side, when

hillary clinton or bernie sanders wins the contest, they get so many pledged delegates. state has superdelegates that are free to support any delegate they want. they have gone for hillary clinton overwhelmingly. she has a overwhelming lead in the pledged delegates but also the superdelegates. she has an insurmountable lead. on the republican side we don't have the same system. it is all unpledged delegates. they are free after the round of balloting. host: let's go to the republican line and alabama. caller: good morning. this talk about bernie, iowa trump supporter. just i, trump supporter. he is not a politician. i was looking at his business sense, and this country is in such trouble. they are in such financial mud.

and i don't like the demonstrators. dream -- he is referred to as a socialist. that is total government control. ted cruz, if you go back to the , he is getting things off of donald trump's message and copycating now. and hillary, i call her and obama 3-d. host: i did to let you go. -- i need to let you go. we are talking about the of it that republican convention. we talked about how an obscure committee could go decide the gop nomination. kyle cheney wrote that the four

remaining candidates are oily preparing for the of skewer rulemaking committee that could control the balance of power in a contested republican national convention in july. he writes, the 112 member rules committee has enormous influence to influence the party's outcome in the final fight. tell us about their role. adam: the rules committee -- most of the rules are set in stone, but there are certain things they can do in july if they don't have the nominee, make it easier for one candidate or another to become the nominee. saysther is rule 40, which to become the nominee you have to win a majority of the delegates in eight states. so far only donald trump has done that, and there's a chance he could be the only delegate who is reach that threshold in july. the reason this was put in place in the first place was because in 2012, mitt romney's campaign

was worried that ron paul does such a good job going to conventions and getting delegates in place, they were stealing delegates in states. mitt romney was worried about this so they put this rule in place you have got to have a majority of delegates in eight states, and that would eliminate ron paul from becoming the nominee. i know this is coming to bite them. but as the second of rule that they could change in this convention. rule they the type of could change in this convention. potentially helping a non-trump candidate become the nominee. host: karen tweets that we heard a few days ago the gop delegates can change the rules one week before the convention. you talked about some of things they can change right up to the convention. adam: it would be a meeting of the rules committee a week before the convention. normally this kind of business,

no one really pays attention. it can be pretty important when they decide a week before. but it is also important to remember most of the rules are based into the cake at this point. host: c-span has covered a number of the rules meetings ahead of the convention. i can't say we would will this time. we will ahead of the convention this summer. springfield, massachusetts, republican line. caller: thank you for accepting my call. my main comment has to do with the fact that we are dealing with partisan politics, in the political party has responsibility and the obligation and the privilege of establishing rules for the party. we generally only deal with two parties. several years ago, as the election of president barack

obama came on the scene the tea party. it became a part of the republican party. it should have been an organized party, separate from the republican party. although if that has happened, a lot of things have happened since that time in terms of the republican takeover of the congress would not have happened. so now the dilemma is, some of the people who are out front in the republican party now came on the scene as a result of the tea party. and now they are faced with the dilemma of having to deal with the rules of the established member of the republican party that have been in business for a whole bunch of years. i would like to hear the gentleman's comment on party often,s and white, quite

third parties do not work. why people sometimes don't organize third parties, fourth parties. host: all right, appreciate that. adam: even this week that was a group of conservatives in washington this week to discuss the possibility of a third party if donald trump is the nominee. the problem of air is, you have trump as the republican nominee and you have the conservative running. the would essentially hands election to the democrats, because you are splitting the democrat vote -- republican vote two ways. trump is the nominee and conservatives decided to run a third party, or if trump also doesn't become the nominee and he decides to run as a third party, because his supporters are so upset, they may split that republican vote two ways. we might have the election going to the democrats. host: adam wollner is a

political reporter for national journal. democrats, for ,02-748-2001 for republicans 202-748-2002 for independents. party leaders hope the gop still worth in cleveland will derail candidates they hope to lose in november. that is pretty high hope. adam: it goes back to that, we entered the first round of balloting in the convention, most of the delegates are bound. when i get to the second and third round and beyond that, more than 3/4 of the delegates become on down to. a lot of them are. they have been in the party for a while, chances are they are not happy with donald trump. this may be the last chance from publicans who want to stop trump . it is turning these delegates against trump at the convention.

40t: you mentioned this rule , and we had a tweet about that, a question for you. does that rule required eight state wins, requiring eight only wins, to put a person apply to the first ballot and not -- is it just the first ballot or beyond? adam: it is a majority of delegates, you don't have to necessarily win eight states. might actually get rewritten regardless of whether trump is the nominee or not. this is something they had put in place for years ago to kind of protect themselves against any sort of ron paul the way it is in place now, it would only be through the first ballot. after that, a lot of the rules change when a lot of these delegates become unbound.