is only going to continue to become worse over time. we have to change our labor market. greta: scott? guest: clerks sure, if you lookt throughout history, there have been great technological industries. the industrial revolution. people said, will face the end of work. we will have the end of manufacturing, it has not happened. maybe, this is different. for example, an assembly line worker goes away, the u.s. economy is good at creating a new job. whether it is it over or airbnb, or whatever. jobs do not exist today could drive our economy tomorrow.

now, that is not to say that our labor market is perfect. labor force participation rate is hovering near an all-time low. there are a lot of things that government policies do to depress that labor force your some of the things i note in my review our social security disability insurance, it has very lax standards. it literally pays able-bodied americans not to work. we fix those things, i think we can boost labor force participation. get people working in the economy. in terms of whether automation is going to destroy the labor market, i would caution against destroy the robots. proven otherwise. host: scott, we are out of time. i want to thank you for talking to his heard the national review cover story, the enemy come the truth about trade, you can read it online. thank you sir.

thank you for having me. that does it for the washington journal. thank you for calling in this morning. we'll be back with another program. enjoy the rest of your day. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪ shows at featuring at0 p.m. eastern, we look the government handling of the issue from health experts,

former drug addicts in the u.s. senate. >> it will not be washington, d.c. that all these problems. is going to be friends and family. churches, charities, loved ones, treatment centers very people working. help therking to struggling people overcome their addictions. next this has been a priority from my administration. in 2000 10, we released our first national drug can stroll strategy. we followed that in 2011. where implementing those plans and partnering with communities to prevent drug use, reduce overdose deaths, help people get treatment.

6:00, with an apparent impasse with democrats, the white house and republicans over the next supreme court justice, we look at what today's leaders have said in the past concerning the nomination process to the supreme court. >> in my view, confirmation hearings, no matter how long or provide agh can sufficient basis for determining if a nominee should get a seat on the supreme court. >> the senator should realize that any senator borrowing from an ideology of the court is not likely to outweigh the damage done to the courts institutional standing. ideological opposition to a nominee from one and of the political spectrum is likely to help generate seminal -- similar opposition from the accident.

>> those are some programs featured this week from c-span. up at 11:30 eastern time, hillary clinton holds an event in harlem, new york or she is expected to address income equality in national security. york is holding its presidential primary on april 19. watch her remarks here on c-span and come after the event come we will take your calls and get your reactions. things heat up on the republican side after donald trump rescinded his pledge to support the republican nominee for president. it during a cnn town hall whether he stood by the earlier pledge, which he signed in september come after meeting with morgan previous, trucks and no, i do not very here said he'd been treated of early by the republican national committee in the gop establishment. was unsure whether

they're public and establishment was plotting to take the nomination away from him during the convention in cleveland. ted cruz also softening his stance on back in a nominee, saying that he does not make a habit of supporting people who insult his wife. john kasich backed off the pledge to support the ultimate gop nominee also. suggesting that he would rather wait and see if there's somebody he believes is good for the country. you can read more about all this at politico.com. up next, donald trump at a town hall yesterday in janesville wisconsin where he urged voters to head to the polls on tuesday and and this come and make him the nominee once and for all. ♪

mr. trump: thank you, everybody. wow. thank you. i feel so badly. outside, we have 5000 people and they cannot get in. i feel badly. i want to apologize. we have speakers outside. we have over the 5000 people who cannot get in. does anybody want to leave and give your place to somebody else? >> no. mr. trump: i had a feeling you might be saying that. it is an honor to be with you. it is very important. we are doing very well. millions of votes ahead of cruz. [applause] mr. trump: i called him lyin' ted cruz. i win, as you know. i have been winning all of the

evangelical vote. he stands up bible high, puts it down and then he lies. it is amazing to watch him. he said, i'm the only one who can beat donald trump. i said, wait a minute, i have won like most of the states. i think he had five or six and i had 20 or 22, right? and, i said i cannot believe it. i have millions of votes more. i have like millions of votes more. i will tell you something so important. there is something happening, it is like a movement. it is a movement and we are part of the movement. it is not me. i'm a messenger. this is something that is so special and so amazing and it is on the cover of "time" magazine, every newspaper. it is something that maybe has never happened. they are saying it is a phenomena.

the message is what we want. we want jobs, we want jobs. we want trade deals that are smart, not stupid deals. wisconsin, wrote down some notes -- it is one of those things. i wrote down some notes and it is like devastating. walker came out today. i wrote down notes about wisconsin. [booing] mr. trump: look, he certainly cannot endorse me after what i did to him in the race. look at this. by the summer of 2015, wisconsin was facing a $2.2 billion, two-year budget deficit. that is terrible. these are out of books. this is not trump. total state that is $45 billion. maybe somebody will tell me that is wrong.

$45 billion is very high. 20,000 fewer people in labor force in wisconsin than seven years ago even though population has grown by 100,000. your population is higher. what he endorse cruz? he is not doing a great job. he comes in with his motorcycle jacket. the motorcycle guys really like trump. [cheering] mr. trump: and he does not look like a motorcycle guy to me. unemployment rate -- they say they cannot be possible. at 20%, that cannot be possible. is it 20%? effective or regular? effective unemployment rate at 20%. 800,000 foodstamp recipients. middle-class hit very hard due to loss of manufacturing jobs.

these are the facts. you know about this. it goes on and on. wisconsin has lost 15,000 net jobs to mexico. kasich is running also. he voted for nafta. both of them want tpp. tpp, both of them want transpacific. that will make nafta look like a baby and wisconsin will be hit so hard. are you a motorcycle guy? i bet. do they love trump? i don't even know. the motorcycle guys love trump. i love the disabled veterans and the veterans. we will take care of our veterans, you know that, right? [applause] what is it about trump that they like?

we went to hilton head, different places. there were hundreds and hundreds of bikers. beautiful bikes. lots of harleys, made in america. beautiful bikes. what is it with them? why do they like me? tell me. [indiscernible] mr. trump: who is that? i love it. i don't know what it is but they like me. i feel good with them. i took a picture. secret service went crazy. these are good people. i appreciate it, fellas. we are going to keep you free. we are getting rid of isis. we are going to have borders again. here we have something that is pretty interesting. i love you, too. you lost 70,000 jobs to china.

70,000 jobs. 100,000 illegal immigrants living in wisconsin. taxpayers are paying tens of millions of dollars. i don't know. what happened with walker -- i will finish off with this. he came up to my office about a year ago. i had been a politician for about eight months. the last thing in my mind i wanted to be was a politician. very little debt, tremendous cash flow. i say that not in a bragging way. i say that because that is the kind of thinking we need. we cannot have china ripping us off at mexico and japan and vietnam.

we cannot have it and they are ripping us like they have never ripped anybody before. we are rebuilding china, mexico. those carrier air-conditioners moving to mexico. ford moving to mexico. nabisco, home of the wonderful, formerly wonderful oreo which we don't eat anymore. we don't need anymore. it is called enforced diet. you know what? look, we're losing our jobs. when i see that statistic, you are losing your jobs. when i went after your governor when he decided to run and i said i will be nice to him. he came up to my office and he handed me a plaque because i supported him. i gave him about $50,000. that is pretty good. i like the fact he was always fighting. to a certain extent, i would like to see somebody being able

to make a deal without having to go through that mess. i gave him a lot of money. he came up and gave me a plaque. a beautiful picture of something. i never really got to read it. i put it aside. my girl found it and she said she just found it. a wonderful woman comes up and i said where is it? she found it under a pile of a lot of other plaques. i will bring it. i will try to get it because i will be here the whole week. i will be in wisconsin the whole week. [applause] because if we win wisconsin, it is going to be pretty much over because we are going to do

great. the emerson poll came out and i have asked the 8% in new york compared to about 10% -- i have about 78% in new york compared to about 10%. new yorkers are very good. cruz is no good. i think we are going to do great in new york, new jersey. chris christie endorsed me. a good guy. ben carson endorsed me. sarah palin endorsed me. sheriff joe endorsed me. with evangelicals, i have had so many ministers and pastors endorse me. jerry falwell endorsed me. we have done well with evangelicals. christians, evangelicals, we have done so well. when we went to south carolina, that was going to be cruz's territory except we won in a

landslide. this guy follows me around. you were there. he was going to win that in the landslide. i started talking to people and i started saying the good and the bad and the ugly. i have won just about almost every place with evangelicals. it has been an amazing time. now, i'm here to talk to the people of wisconsin. i have been here before. it is an incredible place but it is a place that has problems. you have a governor that has you convinced it does not have problems. i remember when he was on the campaign trail, i was so nice to him. i'm not going to hit him. i hit jeb instead, right? [applause] right? i hit rand, oh, rand. i hit a lot of people. wouldn't it be nice that just with his mouth make things happen that are positive? it's not with a mouth, is really with the mouth, the heart and the brain.

i have a lot of friends that are good with the mouth, but not with the brain. a poll came out, a nationwide poll, it was trump 48, i think cruz was second in the mid-20's. kasich was way down. what happened is they showed the poll. it was an nbc poll. an nbc monkey poll, and it was on the today show. morning joe held it up. 48 is pretty good. i have been at 45% and i have had about seven people. how do you get 45% when you have seven? how do you crack 50%? the poll was good. way ahead of anybody else. they showed hillary clinton. got a bigger problem with e-mails then i think with bernie, to be honest with you.

the bigger problem should be that. we will find out how honest our country is. she's got -- they put her poll up. then, they said and then donald trump is winning. that is it. they did not put numbers up. they didn't say i'm doing great. they say that donald trump is winning and they put a slightly negative statistic. wait a minute. they put her numbers up and didn't put mine up. it is so unfair. the press is so dishonest it is unbelievable. [applause] that was chuck todd this morning on the today show. they put hillary's numbers up

and him winning by a lot. i guarantee you one thing, if i was doing poorly, it would be up all morning because they don't like what is happening. i'm self funding my campaign. i'm putting up my own money. [applause] ted cruz and john kasich are getting money from the bank industry, and energy industries, pharmaceutical companies. you cannot straighten out this mess. we are in a mess. if you cannot do what you have to do. when millions of dollars are given to cruz and kasich, and millions from different industries, you were not going to be able to say we are going to go against the bank industry to do what is right for the

people if the bank industry give you millions of dollars. that is true with hillary. i'm the only one self funding my campaign. what is beautiful is when i was running against jeb in new hampshire. i was in for $2 million and jeb was in for $48 million. i was first and he was close to last. by the way, did jeb endorse anybody get? did he endorse? that shows you how important it is. i don't even know. he'll endorse -- when you are in war, you have to fight hard. when i fight, i win. you are going to win. you know that. but, you know, you do pretty serious damage because you want to win fast. a lot of people don't love you after you finish. i don't care about them. [applause] in fact, they are asking cruz -- i have won every single debate.

i have debated him 11 or 12 times. every single online poll has me winning the debate. he is an ok debator, but he is a bad talker. he waits. ever see, ego sentence after sentence and stops for about three or four seconds and goes again. it looks like we are in the theater. this is the real world. what happens -- thank you. [chanting "trump"] mr. trump: that is all right. thank you very much. the sheriff is here. he is a great guy and his people are fantastic. thank you, sheriff. [applause] the only thing i feel guilty about his the people outside. we are going to come back to this area. you guys cannot come, ok?

all of the ladies can come, but the guys cannot. but, but, all of the people outside, we are going to get some. i feel slightly guilty. look, we have a very serious mess on our hands. we have a country that is not protected. a country that is sitting on a big fat bubble that will explode. don't do it after i get in. three days later, it will explode and it will be trump's fault. we are in a big fat, ugly bubble. we have interest rates that are so low that if you are rich -- like me, i can borrow money for any amount. if you are hard-working guy with a great farm or hard-working developer or businessman, you cannot borrow money. think of how bad that is.

you can borrow money for nothing practically if you are rich. but if you are rich, you don't need the money. if you are a business person and want to get a loan, you cannot get it. the regulators are running the bank. dodd-frank has been a disaster. [applause] the biggest disaster, our rules and regulations are horrible. we will probably get rid of 85% of them. so many people from this area have told me regulations, regulatory climate is the worst they have ever seen it. i have a friend who is a farmer. it is like a puddle and they consider it a lake. we are going to make our country so great again. we are going to make our country so strong again. our military is going to be so amazing. we will never have to use it. i never wanted to go into iraq. all of these guys think i'm a tough guy so i will be quick with the trigger. i didn't want the trigger.

when obama left, he should not have left the way he did. he gave a certain date and the enemy said it cannot be possible. nobody can be that stupid. i actually don't think it hurt that much that the enemy when not believe anybody would be stupid enough to give a date. they pulled back and then you see what happened. they went in with fury. how about the 50 soldiers he sent a couple of months ago? he sent 50 of our finest. instead of sending them quietly, what does he do? he sends them in, makes a big press conference that we are sending 50 soldiers into iraq, syria. now, these soldiers have a big target on their back. why can't we just keep our mouth shut? why can't we be unpredictable? [applause]

why can't we be unpredictable? first of all, it does not even sound good when you say 50 soldiers. is that good or bad? but then, when you think about it, why do we have to say that? these are extraordinary people. these are our finest and it is a very dangerous mission. why would you tell people that we are sending them in? you keep quiet and let them accomplish something. who knows what has happened, but right now they have a big target on their back. people that we have let go at gitmo have now killed americans. that came out yesterday. is anybody surprised? would anybody be surprised? we are keeping it open. they are sending hundreds of millions to run it. i guarantee you can run it a lot cheaper and you would have a lot

of money left over. we will get efficiency in government. we will end obamacare. we will replace it with something so much better and so much less expensive. we are going to get rid of common core. we are going to bring our education local. [applause] we are going to preserve our second amendment. it is under siege. it is totally under siege. christianity is under siege. you take a look. i have been with so many pastors lately. jerry falwell, jr. was telling me that i reminded him of his father. what his father did with liberty university. jerry, to top it off, has taken that to a new place. i was talking -- probably had 50

of the ministers and pastors coming to my office. they are really under tremendous pressure because of that want to have their -- they don't want their tax-exempt status taken under way. i said why is it that you folks are that way? why do you allow them? why aren't you more forceful? finally, somebody said we have to be careful with our tax-exempt status. we are going to try to get rid of that. that is really terrible. we are going to try to -- i have said that to a lot of evangelicals, a lot of great christians. it has -- it's sort of means that somebody walking down the street has more power than somebody of our religion, christianity, somebody that is an evangelical. they have more power. they have taken the right of free speech away. i said we would try to get rid of that and i think we will be very successful. how many christians are there?

we have men and women. cut it in half and we have a few more women, but we have far more christians than men and women. it is the biggest group of people. we are not allowed, they are not allowed to talk because they are petrified. you saw what was happening with the irs. we are going to try -- usually when i say try, that means i will get it done. [applause] we are going to try very hard and get that brought back. i think it is going to be very hard to counter it because if the whole evangelical, christian sector gets together, nobody can beat them. when i made the statement about muslims, having them in a temporary basis, i took so much heat. now people are saying trump is

sort of right about that because they have seen what happened. [applause] twelve and i think about what if i'd said it about christians, that's what's happened in our country. we can't let it happen. we're going to turn this country around and we're going to be the smart people. we're not going to be the dummies anymore. we're not going to be where china made last year trade deficit $505 billion, with a b, billion. japan, over $100 billion. mexico, $58 billion. we're going to build a wall, and mexico's going to pay for the wall. ok? [applause] i remember recently i was in florida and marco, who is a nice guy, actually. you notice how nice they are after you've defeated them? i like everybody i defeat.

but when i went against marco, it was supposed to be a very -- ah, boy. well, he started it, right? just like cruz started the last deal. he started it. but marco came after me very viciously. he wanted to be don rickles, right? and it didn't work. but what happened is, what happened is i won by 20 points. almost 20 points. \[applause] and a lot of these issues we were talking about, big issues. frankly i wish i would have left about two days earlier. i wanted to stay in florida and campaign. i wish i had devoted two more days to ohio because i almost won in ohio. i would have won ohio but i

didn't want to take a chance on leaving my beautiful florida alone. because i love florida. i wanted to win that. so if i would have left a couple days earlier, i think i would have won florida probably. but i'm not going to have anything happen in wisconsin. we have to win. if we -- \[applause] look, we have to put these politicians in their place, folks. it's time. believe me, you know, cruz likes to pretend he's an outsider. in the meantime he gets all the establishment support. including your governor. believe me, believe me, they're all establishment. frankly in a way it's worse. because cruz is establishment and yet he's got no relationship with the establishment. he goes and he stands on the floor of the senate for a day and a half and he filibusters and these senators, look, i know, they're tough cookies. i have one of the great people, senator jeff sessions. [applause] nobody better than jeff.

and cruz thought he was going to have him. used him in his speech. then he comes out and endorses me. but when you think of it, look, out of all of these senators, he has one supporter, who is his friend. his friend. by the way, took him plenty of time to do it. but to stand there and to rant and rave for two days and to show people, you know, you can filibuster, in the meantime, nothing was accomplished. cruz has not accomplished one thing. so he's an insider but it's almost like the man on the street, because he can't get anything done. he disease likes people, he calls people, like, for instance, he said horrible things about the speaker. and, you know, he said, about the speaker? and he said about, separately, mitch mcconnell. he said some terrible things about, how do you get things done when you're calling mitch mcconnell bad names? ok, let's just say bad names. so he's sort of got the worst of all elements. he's an insider totally. but he can get nothing done. he can get nothing done. your new speaker, how do you like paul ryan? how do you like him? you like him?

[audience booing] wow. i was told be nice to paul ryan. because -- really? all right. well, he's the speaker. he's a nice guy. he called me the other day, he was very nice. but i'm very surprised at this statement. wow. are you all republicans? are you mostly conservatives? [cheers and applause] because i don't care. the word -- i always say i'm a commonplace, you know, just a commonsense conservative. so important. a commonsense -- and then somebody told me today that somebody else, i think walker used my term. walker used -- i said, make america great again. i said, make america great again. and i copyrighted the term. then walker was making a speech many months ago and he said, make america great again. because he saw the response i got. the difference is he didn't get any response. to it didn't help. we told him, you can't do that. now i said, a commonsense conservative and today i heard he used the term because the press was up and they interviewed me and they said

he's a commonsense conservative. i coined the phrase a few months ago. but that's what i am. i'm a conservative person. i'm very, very conservative on the military. i'm very conservative with other vets and on health care and on lots of things. but -- and i'm actually very conservative on trade. but a lot of people would say, he's not that conservative on trade because he doesn't believe in free trade. actually, i do believe in free trade. but it's got to be good trade for us, right? the got to be smart trade. it can't be where wisconsin's losing thousands and thousands of jobs, where you folks can't get into china but china comes in here like it's swiss cheese, that's what happens. china does not obey the rules. now, i get along great with china. i made a fortune dealing with china. i have two buildings because of china. big ones in new york and one in san francisco. bank of america. that i have in partnership with a great company. and it's because of china.

i sell -- i have the biggest -- one of the big leases with one of their big banks, with the biggest bank in the world actually, from china. millions of and millions of condos to people from china. i like china. i'm not angry at china. i like them. i think they're leaders are doing a great job for them. but our leaders are doing a bad job for us. same with mexico. i get along great. the hispanics, i love the hispanics. i love the hispanics. but their leaders are killing us on the border and trade. i'm not angry at them. i'm angry at our country and our leadership because it's grossly incompetent and we're going to change it around. and we're going to get the best and we're going to get the finest. [applause] so, what i thought -- thank you, folks. thank you. thank you very much. i appreciate it. so, whatever you can could to spread the word, i'll be around, i'm going to green bay, i love that team by the way.

talk about a great franchise. i love it. and you have a truly great quarterback. i don't know, he's probably endorsing somebody else. but i don't care. he's still a great quarterback. tom brady's a friend of mine. he said you have a great quarterback. that's all i need, right? when tom says he's a great quarterback, that's pretty good. but i really want to win wisconsin. because if we can win wisconsin, we're going to put all the stupidity away. we're going to put these stupid, stupid people that allow -- and i'm talking about basically politicians. in many cases, you know, a lot of times people will see deals that are done and, i mean, take a look at the iran deal. how bad is that? just as a deal. forget about countries. but many times people say deals that the country makes, right, deals, and they'll say, how can our politicians be so stupid? they're not stupid. they've been hit by the lobbyists and the special interests and they make a fortune. they get tremendous campaign contributions. they're not stupid. they're doing it for themselves. again, i'm not doing that.

i'm doing it for you, i'm working for you. remember, they're not so stupid like you think. [applause] but when you look at the people funding cruz's campaign, and kasich's campaign, and you look, don't forget, cruz said, oh, the banks, the banks, he's going to be robin hood, he's going to be this great guy. and then in his personal financial disclosure form, he forgot to mention that he borrowed about $1 million from the banks, citibank and goldman sachs, he borrowed $1 million at an interest rate that everybody in this room would be proud to have. a very low interest rate. almost no interest. he forgot to announce it on his personal financial disclosure form. he just forgot. he said, oh, i forgot. i forgot. so then he hits the banks. he's controlled by these people, folks. what he did was absolutely wrong. but they're controlled by these people. i'm controlled by you. i'm going to do the right thing for you.

[applause] ok? so remember that. so let's take a few questions. then i'm off to green bay. i love that. ok. let's go. go ahead. my biker friends. we have to start with them. [inaudible] mr. trump: 22 veterans a day commit suicide, that's correct. questioner: it's over not having a job or ptsd. what's your plans on that? mr. trump: we're going to take care of our veterans so much. many end up killing themselves waiting to see a doctor. 22 a day. a lot of people don't believe that number. they think the almost like an impossible number. how could it be so bad? the actually -- it could be worse than that. we're going to take care of them from the standpoint, they wait, they wait, then they get bad service. and they wait some more. six, seven, eight days.

sometimes they'll get to see the doctor and the doctor says, i can't see you now, i'm going on vacation. you see the corruptness. i just left phoenix. we had 21,000 people, sheriff joe was there, the job he did was incredible. incredible. they had a little protest, right? that protest ended so -- he arrested three people. everyone else scattered. and you have that kind of a sheriff here. you have a tough cookie here. i can tell you. i just met him and i can tell you. but we're going to -- you know, i have a great policy plan and i've gotten a lot of credit for it, it's on donaldjtrump.com. with the veterans, when they're waiting for exorbitant times, even for a little time, they're going to go to the doctor, they're going to go to local doctors or local hospitals, many of the hospitals are dying for business, you know that, they're dying, these hospitals, some of these hospitals are dying. they're going to get immediate

treatment, immediate service, we're going to pay the bill. and we're going to save a fortune and they're going to get great. and everybody is in love with it. that's what's going to happen. we're going to take care of our veterans. if we can't take care of our veterans, we can't take care of anyone. so we're going to take care of our vets. go ahead. one more from my other biker friend here. questioner: \[inaudible] mr. trump: boy, do you look good, though. you look good and tough. i wouldn't want to fight you. do you think i could take new a fight? i don't think so. what do you think? how about we do it right now? that would be great for television. go ahead. but i do have more hair than him. right? go ahead. questioner: \[inaudible] mr. trump: i know, it's terrible. why are you unemployable? questioner: [inaudible] mr. trump: ok. i got it. questioner: [inaudible]

mr. trump: i know that. daycare is a problem. questioner: [inaudible] mr. trump: i know. questioner: then my wife only gets $100 a month and my child only gets $50 a month. mr. trump: i know. i've heard this many times. questioner: there's this offset between -- mr. trump: here's the problem. our veterans are taken worse care of than illegal immigrants who come into the country illegally. you don't even have to write it down. we're going to do things about it. you know what you're saying, i've heard this so many times before with the daycare and everything else. we are going to take care of our vets. questioner: veteran also don't get an annual increase. you can do an -- mr. trump: by the way, speaking of increase, cruz and kasich

want to destroy social security, folks. i want to bring money back into this country. i want to bring jobs into this country. i want to bring tremendous wealth into this country. i want to take our wealth back from china, from mexico, from all of these countries that have our wealth. we're going to save you social security and we're diagnose to save you medicare. they want to get rid of it. remember that. questioner: also, you can give a veteran with a disability and or permanent total an annual increase automatically. because you can do an executive order on it. right? mr. trump: you could do. i want to not use too many executive orders, folks. executive orders sort of came about more recently. nobody ever heard of an executive order. then all of a sudden obama, because he couldn't get anybody to agree with him, he starts signing them like they're butter. so i want to do away with executive orders for the most part. but look. just do me a favor. stick with me. you're going to be ok. all right? all right? ok? you're going to be ok. i know.

what you've said i've heard a hundred times. and the daycare's a huge problem. a huge problem. your wife not working, huge problem. she can't. i bet you have a great wife. good wife? better believe it. go ahead. questioner: i work in education. what are you going to do to help get the local control back -- mr. trump: we're doing it. we're ending common core. your kids in wisconsin are no longer going to be educated in washington, d.c., by bureaucrats. many of whom, i can't say all, but many of whom don't care for your kids. they couldn't care less. they get big fat salaries. your kids are going to be educated locally. we're terminating common core. will you see something that's magic. and i've seen it. where parents and all of these people, they're all distribute uncle, the aunts, they're all on school boards, they get professionals, they have great principals. you can't see what's going on from washington, d.c. many of the people never even

come here. they sit behind a desk in washington, they draw big salaries and they're telling you how to educate your kids. i've seen it where the kid graduates and those parents stay on. they love it, because their child went through the system. they love it. and they become so good at it. that's what's going to happen. we're one of the worst in the world in education. we're going to be one of the better ones. not necessarily, you know, i don't know we're going to be sweden, norway, denmark and china. but we're going to come very close. questioner: [inaudible] mr. trump: discipline in school. [applause] i don't think that wisconsin should have a big problem with discipline. do you have a problem with discipline? you're from where? questioner: rochester, minnesota. mr. trump: oh, well that's interesting, ok. we have to get discipline back in the country. forgot about school. [cheers and applause] i mean, i have a case, i have a wonderful guy, campaign manager, you talk about discipline. and you probably saw what happened today.

with my campaign -- he's a good guy. corey. by the way, the easiest thing, corey, you're fired. i can't do that. can't do it. so fortunately i have a taping system. i'm rich. so i have this woman who complained, she was talking about maybe being thrown to the floor. all this. then we saw the tapes. did anybody see the tape? what did you think? right? nothing. women -- what did you think? >> he just kept walking. there was nothing wrong. mr. trump: her face stayed the same. if somebody squeezed your arm or did something really bad, don't forget, initially she said, thrown to the floor. but if somebody squeezed your arm or hurt you, wouldn't you start screaming or something? did you see any change in her face? >> i reran it and reran it on a wide screen. there was nothing. mr. trump: it's horrible.

it's horrible. honestly, it's horrible. and the best thing i could do is -- but i can't destroy a man. i'd destroy him. he has a beautiful wife and children. i'm not going to destroy man for that. when i saw that at the tape, at first i said, this is terrible. then i saw the tape. it's my tape. i'm the one that has a tape. it's on the ceiling of this incredible club in jupiter, florida. and we're all leaving. and we have a press conference. right? and the press conference lasted a long time. 45 minutes, so that was enough. i'm leaving with a whole big gang of people. people pushing left and right. left and right.

and all of a sudden she bolts into the picture. she grabs me or hits me on the arm. in fact, i'm like this with my arm up. and then he goes by and, i mean, maybe he touched her a little bit. but it was almost like he was trying to keep her off me, right? like he was helping her. did you see her fall to the ground? because she talked about falling. now, after -- i must tell you, her statement changed big league. because she said, go to the ground, you know, all this. i could read it to you. does anybody want to hear it? i want to be accurate. because i like the press to treat me. so before she knew she was on tape, she said, i was jolted backwards. was she jolted backwards? i mean, if she was, her face stayed the same. i was jolted backwards. someone grabbed me tightly by the arm. and yanked me down. campaign managers aren't supposed to forcefully throw reporters to the ground. except she never went to the ground. she never even came -- she never even flinched.

if somebody grabs you, even one of the guys, even the bikers, if somebody grabs even a biker, or punches you a little bit, you're off, right? the toughest guy, the toughest woman, look at her face. it's zero. they're going to destroy a man's life? and then i have cruz saying, oh, that was a terrible thing. that was a terrible thing. let me tell you something, folks. if i win, if i lose, i didn't need to do this. i'm doing this because i just had a beautiful grandchild. [applause] ivanka and jerrod, beautiful, beautiful grandchild. i'm very proud. my eighth. i'm doing this all for them. i didn't need to do this. this is not -- i had no idea, you know, maybe none of us did. i had no idea the message was going to get across. it's a message of competence. it really is. it's a message of common sense and it's a message of competence. i had no idea that we have millions of more votes than we had when we had that stiff mitt

romney, a total stiff, running. who by the way, he's a dope. he's not a smart person. i'll tell you right now. let me tell but him. that was an election that he should have won and he lost. and he should just go away and let the big boys do it now. [cheers and applause] that's an election that should have been won. i tell you what, i helped john mccain, and at that time, honestly, that was a tough deal for him. the world was sort of collapsing. that was a tough one. but he lost. and i helped mitt romney a lot and he lost. and i said, this time, we're going to do it ourselves. we're going to win. we're going to win. so just remember that. we're going to win because of wisconsin. a couple more questions. is how about a woman. go ahead, go ahead. great. questioner: [inaudible] mr. trump: right. she's so smart, i don't want

them to know. i don't want to tell putin what i'm thinking. she's so smart. what you just said -- what does that say? what about -- don't worry about ukraine. they're going to be type of. just don't ask me why. this world of politics. mr. trump, you said -- don't forget, i'm the one who said take the oil. i was right. they didn't. you know who has the oil right now? isis has the oil. you know that libya, isis has all that oil from gaddafi. all of that big oil from gaddafi. i took it. we're like a bunch of dummies. why aren't we creating a nice big circle so they can't get the oil out? why aren't we taking that oil back? look, look, i'm the one that says, though, i don't want to say everything. if i win, i have a good chance of winning, i'm the frontrunner by a lot. i want to go in there, i want to

knock the hell out of isis. i don't want to tell all -- i really mean this. i don't want to tell everybody in this room, and look at all the cameras that are going now. i don't want to tell the world what i'm going to do. because they're watching. just let me do it, folks. i will do it, you'll be so happy. you don't have to know the details. ok? let me do it. i use the word before, we have to be a little bit unpredictable. we can't say, well, we're going to go and take on march 14, and then we're going to hit them from the front, and then we're going to hit them from the back. obama did that eight months action with one of the cities. he said, we're going in next week. look, folks, folks, folks, you know, you have to trust -- there has to be some trust, right? do you trust? we've got to stop the stupid. that's why i really think your question is so great. i don't want to hear how you're going to do it, mr. trump, just do it. i'll do it. ok? i love that. that woman. that woman. thank you, honey.

thank you. yes, go ahead. questioner: mr. trump, melissa wants to thank you. she has something to say. questioner: hi, mr. trump. i was miss wisconsin-u.s.a. in 2005. mr. trump: i can see why. questioner: thank you. you have been -- i just want to say thank you. you saved me. in so many ways. in recent years, i've been struggling with an incurable illness and i'm on home care now. it was caused by a doctor's medical negligence. in those dark days, fighting, right now, all the tubes have been removed and i have a do not resuscitate order and i have a 7-year-old son. in those days, in the hospital, i received from you a hand-written letter that said, to the bravest woman i know. mr. trump: i remember that. i remember that. questioner: you --

mr. trump: such a wonderful, beautiful woman. just an amazing woman. are you coming along ok? questioner: no, sir. but that's ok. because i'm here right now to thank you in person and that was my biggest dream. and i wanted to thank you because through you and your organizations, my son, who is mexican american, 7 years old, through your organizations and just being able to stand on that stage back in 2005, the outpouring of love that came from that, ultimately provided my son when he graduates high school with a full ride to college. \[cheers and applause] mr. trump: that's great. questioner: because of you. mr. trump: we're going to watch him. tanner, watch him. we're going to be watching your boy, ok? but you're going to hopefully be

around. you're not going to have to have anybody watching. we'll be helping you. questioner: thank you. god bless you. and just, you know, he's a mexican american. and because of your efforts, have sent him to college and i've been writing letters to him for when i'm in heaven, to tell him what you've done for him. he has a great responsibility to pay it forward. just as you have done for us. i can't thank you enough. mr. trump: that's so nice. thank you, honey. thank you. i'm sorry. i have to go down and say hello. is that ok? \[applause] >> god bless you. here you go, mr. trump. here you go.

mr. trump: wow. what a great woman that is. that's a great woman. great mother. i remember that. and it's heartbreaking. but something beautiful's going to happen. you watch. something beautiful is going to happen. folks, i just want to say, i'd almost like to leave it on that. because we can't top that. that is so amazing. thank you. thank you. \[applause] that little -- very sad, but i think it's going to be really a story of hope. and something really great is going to happen out of that. you watch. but it sort of tells me, when i first did this people said, oh, it will cost a lot. forgetting about the campaign. that's peanuts by comparison. i've spent tens of millions of

dollars. the big thing i lost, certain businesses, i owned the miss universe pageant. i bought it inexpensively 15 years ago. because of the fact that they thought i was against this one or that one, i had a hard time with television. the good news is i sold it for a wonderful -- i was very happy, ok, with that. but i didn't want to sell it. but i sold it. i built it to really a very good company. we did a great job with that company. miss universe, miss u.s.a., miss teen u.s.a. other businesses, i sort of -- like the shirts and ties with macy's. macy's was unbelievable -- unbelievably disloyal because of illegal immigration. they ended the shirt size -- who cares. it's not a big deal. but i'm doing something -- nobody else is giving up what i'm giving. when cruz runs he runs. if he wins, great, if he loses, great. it's him. he's a politician. they just run, they win, they lose, who knows. but these guys run for office. that's all they do. i've always heard that if you're a very successful person, you can't run for office especially for president. you can't run for president. i can see it. i have so much false press about me.

things that are so false, you know, i saw the other day on television, there were like 50 -- did you see it, 56,000 negative ads on me. 56,000. in fact, in florida, i own dural, in florida, we had the tournament there two weeks ago. adam scott, the great adam scott. great golfer. he was winning. in between shots i told you this after the victory speech, they've had commercials and they were all about trump. negative. horrible, negative commercials. mostly false. but it came out the other day, i think it said $68 million, 55,000 negative ads. negative ads. and when i was running in florida, i said, how is it possible to win? with all of this, i knew it, you couldn't turn -- in florida, where i was, you couldn't turn

on the television without seeing trump commercials. sometimes four, five in a row. and they were horrendous. done by very, very bad people. very bad, evil people. and i said, how is it possible to win? and god helped me. honestly. because mr. wynne: in a and now they're doing it here. club for growth. it's a crooked outfit. look, club for growth, you ever hear of this, club for growth, a friends of mine comes, he's a conservative guy, would you do me a favor, see club for growth? i said, what's club for growth? he said, well, they want to talk to you. i said, all right. send them up. he is a friend, good god. i have to see people i wouldn't normally. give me a break. club for growth. they come up to my office. this guy was, i think a former congressman, and he tells me a little bit about club for growth, i'm falling asleep. then he goes, would you contribute $1 million? i said, $1 million, for what? i didn't even know you, i never met you. i said, do me a favor, i'm trying to be nice, i said, go back, write me a little note if you can, and he was stupid enough to write me a note.

he writes me a letter asking for $1 million. i let him know that i'm not interested. you can be rich, i'd rather take $1 million and throw it all over this room. i'd rather it give it to you for your boy, ok? [applause] and so happens is they write me a letter, put it in writing, has anyone seen this letter they wrote? it's incredible. they write me a letter. it's like extortion. they asked me for $1 million. i said no nicely, and they had ads all over wisconsin club for , growth. they did them all over florida about eminent domain. without eminent domain you would , haven't schools, hospitals, bridges. you need eminent domain. if something's in your way and you're building a highway, if you're going to produce 7,000 jobs and you need a little corner of property -- you know,

it's funny all these candidates want the keystone pipe line. i like it too. they have a whole thing on eminent domain and perspectives. because without eminent domain they wouldn't have 15 feet. , they wouldn't be able to build it. they don't want eminent domain. they love the keystone pipeline and it's based on eminent domain. because they've got to go from canada, where cruz was born to , texas. where he represents. don't forget that. remember what i said. i'm going to win. just remember whey said. i'm going to win. and i thank you, babe. ooh, you are so amazing. you are so amazing. i'm going to win. but remember this. if for some reason he gets the nomination the first thing -- , remember i'm a good prognosticator, i'm a good predictor. the first thing is that they're , the democrats, are going to sue. ted cruz, he was born in canada.

lived there for four years. the head of the harvard law school, one of the top people in the business in terms of constitution is saying that, you know, that he's wrong. and we have other people that is much stronger than even that. so remember this. if cruz gets lucky and he wins -- and the only way he gets lucky -- because it's all establishment. if i get into that mess of the convention i'm not the , establishment. i don't take their money. i don't hire their people. i don't do any of their stuff. so you have a disadvantage. but if cruz wins, just remember what i said. again he's not going to win, but , if he does. if he gets the nomination, within the first few days he will be sued by the democrats that he doesn't have the right to be president. and i think they're right because he wasn't born on our soil. he wasn't born -- he's not a natural-born citizen. he's not a natural-born citizen.

[applause] i don't like to make a big deal of this. but it was just brought up by somebody. he is not a natural-born citizen. so if for some reason he should get the nomination, i really believe you're wasting your time. and boy, are we going to have a problem. you're going to have somebody who's going to be sued. probably will lose the lawsuit. again, he was warned there he , lived there for four years. mother was there. and he was a canadian citizen joint with u.s. until 14 or 15 months ago. did anyone know that? so he's a senator from texas only because of the great sarah palin. without sarah palin he could are have never won that election. it was a fluke. but he was the senator from texas. he lived -- he's a joint citizen. he finally gave up his citizenship to canada 16 months ago. he said, oh, i didn't know i was a citizen of canada also.

just like he didn't know that goldman sachs and city bank gave him money. i mean, this guy -- you just have to study it, folks. again, i'm doing this. we're going to win. we're going to turn this country around. we're going to make america great again. we're going to win a lot but you have to know the facts. i love you all. i love you all. thank you. thank you. i love you all. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. ♪ get out there and vote. thank you. thank you. thank you, everybody. thank you, everybody. ♪

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11:30ing up live at eastern, hillary clinton holds a campaign event in harlem, new expected toshe was address income inequality. new york holds the presidential primary on april 19. remarksss clinton's live at 11:30 on c-span. we plan to take your calls and get your reaction. until then, a conversation on campaign 2016 from this morning's "washington journal." host: joining us from new york this morning is the deputy ,--or of washington use news, daniel klaidman.

why did you decide to do this? well, one of the most persistent and interesting questions of the election cycle is who are these people voting for donald trump, and why do they like him so much? there is a lot of data out there and a lot of holing, but the pulling only tells you so much. it tells you about large groups of people, but it does not tell you about the people themselves. the coverage of the pulling is also reductive. they will tell you what the most important demographic is that it does not give you the human dimension. you, how dotell these people come to these perspectives on the candidates, and particularly on donald trump. personalt about experiences in life stories that may donald trump appealing to

them? we wanted to do a deeper dive on who these people are. a human and more empathetic i, andry to understand this get beyond the stereotypes we sometimes see in the media, not because they want to character -- caricature voters but they are all on a deadline and do not always have the time to do this. talked to many dozens of trump voters at rallies across the country. then we decided to focus on half a dozen of them to do in-depth profiles and also to put them on video. very well produced videos to allow them to talk in their own words unfiltered. we thought it would be a way of on thesesome light voters and this very interesting election. ont: which is what we do

this program. to get out what you found, here is how we are dividing the lines. if you are supporting donald trump, including men, dial in -- others, why you are not supporting donald trump. tell us your view of him. daniel klaidman, i just want to read a little bit from what yahoo! put together. the narrative has taken shape in the media. trump supporters are white, male, undereducated, lower income, anti-immigrant, anti-muslim, and angry, even racist. but the truth is more complicated. what is the truth? the truth is while some of those characteristics are real, and you see them across the country, with a wide swath of trump voters, not every chump voter first of all necessarily adheres to those particular

characteristics or those points of view. shareny of them, they may one or two of those characteristics, but there may be half a dozen others that are equally important that those do not necessarily get you the attention. i will give you some examples. you know, there is a voter we named ron, 59 years old, a white male, he is from nevada, and in some ways, he might fit the profile of the sort of angry white man, but he is not angry. he said he is disillusioned and he seemed a little sad, frank. i think his story is he grew up in pittsburgh, his father worked , and hiseel mills father did not want him to have the same life he had. to do better. he did pretty well.

he went to college, he went and got a job in the insurance but he had a tough time in that business and lost a couple of jobs. he is now living in a town in nevada,a small town in and he is still working in insurance but he also has to get up at 3:00 every morning to drive a cab. through allng gone of these experiences and hardships, and this is someone who really is an independent. he has voted for al gore and bill clinton, as well as mitt romney and john mccain. he even voted for hillary clinton during the democratic primary in 2008. right now, he wants someone who could shake up washington, someone who has real grit and determination and can really make a difference.

because i think for him, he is looking for someone to improve his life. he does not fit some of those stereotypes that we often see in the media. it is just more complicated. we're trying to bring some of the new wants to these stories -- nuance to these stories. host: who is eileen schmidt? 46 years old, lives in the middle of iowa, she has two boys, and she is worried about her safety. worried about isis, very concerned about the attacks in san bernardino, and now in brussels. she sees security as a broader issue and not just terrorism. she is worried about, she conflates terrorism and immigration. thingsieves a lot of the donald trump says, that we need

a wall to keep immigrants out, and that is, for her, primarily a security issue. for some people, it is more of an economic issue. immigrants taking jobs from american spirit for her, it is a security issue. the metaphor she uses is her home. does not allow anybody into her home. she only allows people who she welcomes into her home. that is what we ought to do. someone --she is not not only does she have a college degree, but she is working on a graduate degree. she is educated. she is just concerned about her personal safety, her family's crime hasd she says increased in her neighborhood and her area and in iowa, and from what she calls illegal immigrants and undocumented workers, she feels a very strong sense of personal

insecurity. that is driving her to john donald trump -- two donald trump. to donald trump. tell us how that tracks with what you found. antoine, good morning. caller: i am supporting trump for different reasons. young, 32, i am black, raised in, born and d.c., i am a business owner and i own two corporations. i had a partnership getting ready to start with another small corporation. i like trump because of some of the things he is saying. the wall in particular, i am not so much big on that, even though to our north, we have great leaks, i would love if you took a look at building a great lake two-hour south. -- to our south.

,t would bring much-needed jobs and remember you do not need a college degree to dig a ditch. a couple of other things. of my friends also support trump as well, but they are also business owners. we are all republicans. i'm a fourth generation republican. was my dad, my granddad, and my great granddad, and that is pretty much it. host: we will have daniel respond. look, i think, and aan, defies stereotypes in way a lot of people we talked to did. i think he said he is african-american. he is not as concerned about immigration and does not seem to be in favor of the wall and

believes immigrants add to the labor force. that is probably good for the economy. so again, the point i was making earlier, we sort of oversimplify who trump voters are and tend to be reductive in the way the headlines capture these stories. example of how trump voters can somehow defy stereotypes. is aj del wrote about gato, 36 years old, cuban-american, grew up in , and shevana in miami is interesting. she is a passionate supporter of donald trump because of the immigration issue. she grew up among immigrants. cuban immigrants and other immigrants in miami. she makes a distinction between illegal immigrants and

immigrants who came here legally. more importantly, she thinks wealthy elites and the as she puts it does not get the issue. she thinks they do not understand that if you are working-class, and she grew up and her mother was a factory worker, her father a buster ira, that this is an issue that really hits home because it is the working-class who lose out to immigrants who come here illegally. in fact, she began by supporting marco rubio, who of course is a native son of a cuban community when marco rubio signed on with the gang of eight there, the immigration reform plan, she viewed that as a betrayal and viewed him as an elitist, someone who did not understand the hardship of working-class people in cuba. people who support a

lot of the main issues donald trump talks about, if you dig a little deeper to try to understand how they came to those issues, those perspectives, you get a little bit of subtlety and nuance and theystanding about why feel so strongly about donald trump. host: we will get in more calls, david in san francisco. who are you supporting? i am generally a ralph nader supporter. the green party is my general theme. bernie is ok. i am more concerned, america used to be a magnet of freedom. we used to be a country which encouraged investment and creativity. development scheme >> this divide and conquer

scheme is dividing people out of america. we need to encourage, not only freedom in terms of escape from the tyrannies around the world, but we need to be inventive and freedoms that create jobs. the development of the republican party the republican party have gone out of their way to build barriers and disinvest in america. do the people you talk to have any concerns about divisive language from donald trump? guest: a lot of them did. falle concerned about his garrity, rhetorical excesses, some of the ways that he has talked about women and minorities, but they give him a

pass. "he doesn'tsay really mean those things, he says them to get attention" or "this is something the media focuses on but it is not what is important about donald trump. there are all these other issues that he is going to shake rings " -- thoseington interestingly, some of the people we spoke to, a number of them, were religious people. evangelical christians were offended by that kind of rhetoric and tone and language. -- thee again, they are overriding issues for them that they are voting on and the reason they like trump are

questions about the economy or questions about shaking up washington and making america great again. they are willing to put some of those concerns to the side and emphasize these other things they think are of overriding importance. greta: we have heard the same things from our viewers. ellen in indiana, what are you -- why are you supporting mr. trump? asler: the media depicts us maybe uninformed, not intelligent, not a graduate, and i say it is probably because we are informed that we are supporting him. he truly can provide jobs in this country. he has offered to renegotiate the trade deals. not to hurt china, but to help us.

if you look at our youth branch that can't find jobs, america is losing. it is a sad thing for someone my age. a sad thing for my age to see. and, ted cruz has been in the senate for a long time and has never offered to bring to the senate floor to renegotiate those trade deals so america can win some. all of a sudden, he is running for president. he is just saying what we want to hear whereas i do believe donald trump is saying what we need to hear. greta: may i ask, how old are you? caller: 68. greta: daniel klaidman, your thoughts? all, what thef caller was saying at the outset,

this was the reason we decided to do this project. we thought that some of the coverage of trump voters did kind of caricature them. point about the perception that trump voters are not educated. there is a significant percentage of voters that do not have college degrees but donald amonghas won college-educated voters in many of the states where there have been primaries and caucuses. that theply not true vast majority of these voters are uneducated or undereducated. many are educated and have college degrees and some even beyond that. one of the other things the caller was getting at is an important part of donald trump's appeal which we heard from

voters, he is saying the things -- other political candidates will not do because they are politically correct or to conventional. --too conventional. a politician that is willing to break with political orthodoxy. he has taken these positions on trade, for example, which has been the republican party and the conservative movement have been pro-trade for a long time. it is not that popular among a significant subset of the republican party and the democratic party. this is an issue that has resonated across the country with a lot of voters. this project was part -- part of we wanted to do was be geographically diverse. get a sense of the respective of

trump voters from across the country. voters in florida, nevada to represent the west. michigan. in the deep south, mississippi. all over the country. this issue, trade, was an issue where donald trump's position to be tough on trade has resonated all across the country. host: we will talk about trade on "the washington journal." michelle in georgia, why are you supporting somebody besides donald trump? caller: i hate and despise donald trump. donald trump is a big it. donald trump -- is a bigot. he wants to divide the united states. i do not like him. i cannot stand him. he is ignorant. he is stupid.

-- you areack people talking about how many people has, how many black voters does donald trump have? mitt romney had one thing right, blacks are going to go to the polls like never before when the general election comes and he is not winning blacks or hispanics nor is he winning the other races because he is a divider and night -- not a uniter. he is a klansman. host: we have to leave it there and have daniel kleinman respond. guest: the caller is right in the sense that donald trump does not have support among african-american voters or latino voters. there are exceptions. within the republican primary electorate, he has gotten a

small amount of support from those two groups. when it comes to the general election, if he is the republican nominee, he will get walloped. percentage oftiny the black vote, the african-american vote, the latino vote, and importantly, increasingly coming apparent to people, likely to do very poorly women voters. i think he has this approvals -- approvals of women voters in the 70's. package we did, these profiles of voters, there was not an african-american voter among the six we profiled, the -- we could have but it would

not have been broadly representative. the caller is right, he has very little support from those ethnic groups. host: gregory in missouri, donald trump supporter. media: i question the with the bedding -- vetting. we have a president who did not go through the vetting process. a you feel the media has accurate vetting process? host: what about donald trump? caller: it has been vague come i do not know all the property he has. i know about the bankruptcies. aboutnot hear anything president obama because he did not accomplish nothing.

host: daniel kleinman? guest: interesting with donald trump, he has been a high-profile public figure four decades. -- for decades. there was this perception that he is well known, many books written about him and documentaries. apprentice" for all these years. story.know his the media focuses more on what he is doing in this campaign. i think that is changing. i think there have been a lot of recentlybout his more his business dealings, how he -- his upbringing, the forces in his life that shaped him as a businessman and a person. in principle, i agree with the

caller that the media has to do a good a job as it possibly can to vet a presidential candidate. donald trump has been an open book, a tremendous amount out there and we need to do as good a job as we can reporting the different aspects of his life and career. and what shaped him as a person because this is the most important job in the world. the most powerful job in the world, the president of the united states. we need to continue to that -- vet and report on the candidates. host: the caller says he does not know a lot about donald trump businesses, a newspaper look into what the company was, it sought to make people rich but left behind disappointment.

martin in lexington, massachusetts, who are you supporting? caller: hillary clinton. it seems the donald trump supporters are concerned about the economy. they do not like the type of job or the fact they do not have any. isis.ty, which would be and immigration. trump is not stupid, he is smart, but so is made off -- madoff. and you know where madoff is now. what donald trump supporters are not concerned about his women's rights, such as abortion. a lack of international understanding which trump has come in getting rid of nato.

being a bully to other nations. he is a bully to other politicians and he can be a bully to other nations, he probably would be and that is dangerous. andrea, you are next, a donald trump supporter in michigan, why are you supporting him? caller: i have run the beginning and i will continue to support him, i am african-american, a female with two masters degrees, i am educated. the media has put out there that these are poor, white men. i would be interested to know how many african-americans were in your survey, because i think -- it is not about -- it is not about the economy and security, are you kidding? obama will not even address people being vetted.

this country has gotten so politically correct. everybody is afraid to say what trump is saying. i support trump and think he is more like me and we are not uninformed, uneducated white males, i am female -- host: we heard you. daniel kleinman? caller: both callers -- guest: both callers are broadly right. the first talking about the kind of issues that trump supporters -- why they support him. a hugelymy is clearly important issue for many if not most from supporters. -- trump supporters. security, they see donald trump as a tough guy, strong, that is an important part of his image as a leader. and immigration. if there was a single issue that

set him apart from candidates, even those not in favor of immigration reform, that resonated with these voters and brought new voters in and a passion to this candidacy, it was the immigration issue where he talked in strong terms about how we would deal with it, not out the wall, but throwing all of the undocumented workers who are here now. something that resonated with a lot of people who became trump voters. the second caller is right. part of the reason we did this project -- we did not do a poll but we surveyed a lot of polls and exit polls now that millions and millions of people have voted. many african-americans who are supporting donald trump.

many of them, like the caller, have college degrees and even advanced degrees. not necessarily statistically a significant number in the sense they will not push the election one way or another, his support among african-americans and latinos is still pretty small. there.ose people are out we wanted to write about them. she is correct. host: one last call, conrad, new jersey, good morning. caller: good morning. when i see trouble rallies -- trump rallies, icy a lot of angry -- i see a lot of caucasian americans, angry, yelling, assaulting people, as an african-american, when you have caucasian americans like that, people who look like me

end up hanging off treatments with a rope around our neck. people say he is not a professional politician, that he give you a brief analogy, if you had an electrical problem in your house, you would not say i do not want a professional electrician, i want somebody to tinker around with a fuse box. your likelihood of the house going up in flames goes up. i want to close on this, i hear people say he can shake things up, you know what, under earthquake can shake things up, i do not hear anybody advocating those good thank you for taking my call. an interesting perspective. one of the reasons we did this project was i had gotten on the campaign trail, i was in nevada, i went to a donald trump rally in las vegas. i was curious to see what they were like. and who the voters were. and myd to voters

initial reaction was, these people were friendly, having of, polite, i did not hear darker impulses that i was reading about. it did not seem -- there was nothing threatening or menacing about the rally. it started to change once the rally started and donald trump started to speak. , it people remember this was played on television, there was a protester who stood up quietly and showed his sign, donald trump said, get him out of here, throw him out, if this were another time they would take him off on a stretcher and he said i would like to punch the guy in the face. the crowd roared, they love it. when you talk to these voters individually, they did not betray that kind of anger, there

was something about donald trump, the way he quit them up frenzyped them up into a where you saw the menacing side. that that we began to hear stories of some of the violence and tension. i cannot -- i am still struggling to understand this phenomenon, this dynamic, but it was interesting to see how things changed inside the rally. the point about wanting the difference between somebody who can shake things up and somebody who has experience and who has the kind of expertise you need to run this country and to run the government, that is a very important issue. one of the things in debated. that's being debated -- being debated.

i hope they come out in the town halls and that is part of the vetiting process. things about his leadership style that will appeal to people that the question is, can he get the job done? that goes more to character and experience then -- than to simply his personality. 202-748-8000 deputy --host: deputy editor of yahoo! news, thank you for talking to our viewers about the project you did. guest: i enjoyed it. in harlem,clinton is new york today. she will hold a campaign event at the apollo theater. expected to address income inequality, and national security, that should be getting and we willime now have live coverage as soon as it begins. more from today's "washington

journal" until then. host: joining us from duke university is scotland's a come ecom.ott linc the truth about trade, what did you find out? guest: that there is a lot of myths about trade and jobs. forher trade is to blame the loss of manufacturing jobs in the united states over the last several decades or whether there are other more fundamental problem with the american labor market. the conclusion as you maybe could guess is that trade is not to blame for some of the problems in our labor market. instead, one of the problems we have had in the last few years is a collapsed and labor dynamism, the natural job churn in the market and the ability of

displaced workers to find new and better jobs over the longer term. host: you had seen exit polls from this presidential cycle and state after state, democrats and republicans, from michigan and mississippi, when they voted in the nominating process, democrats and republicans worry about the economy and when those voters express concern about trade, being one of their top issues, they are voting for bernie sanders and donald trump who are opposed to these trade deals. for all ofing china the ills in the american economy makes a good soundbite. there is no doubt there is palpable economic anxiety in this country, something that sanders and trump have seized on but when you look at the numbers and review the various academic studies, you find that trade is not because of the vast majority of job loss -- the cause of the

vast majority of job loss in the united states. 10%study found it was only of total job losses since 2000 in the manufacturing sector were caused by trade, 90% caused by productivity chains, like robots and computers. notonly is not -- traded the factor in job loss but benefits americans do not see on a daily basis. they see a closed factory or someone losing their job because of import competition but they do not see the lower prices that we all enjoyed at walmart and target. .ecause of free trade or they do not see that american manufacturing output, in terms of total value in the american manufacturing sector, is setting record highs because we do not make t-shirts anymore, we make airplanes and satellites. things you will not see of the

shelf -- on the shelf of walmart, so there is a disconnect between perception and reality and folks like sanders and trump are more than willing to exploit that misperception and peoples economic anxieties and say everything can be solved by cutting off trade with china. unfortunately, for the voters, that is not the case. host: a contributed -- -- a senior visiting lecturer at duke university. an international trade attorney with experience in trade litigation at the united states commerce department before the u.s. international trade commission, the u.s. court of international trade, the european commission, and the world trade organization, dispute settlement body's and has advised corporate clients on trade agreements and u.s. trade policy and wto matters.

your questions and comments and what you think about trade coming up. continue dialing and. -- in. i want to bouts of a column -- bounce off a column, white trade critics are getting traction, he writes a labor economist have importn a paper that penetration from china has been responsible for up to 20% u.s. job losses in manufacturing since the end of the 20th century, in the process china's advance has toppled much of the received empirical wisdom about the impact of trade on labor markets. the country dependent on the industry's most exposed to significant import penetration from china has been hit the hardest. study incovered this my piece for national review. it is getting a lot of traction. it is important to note, the

, 20% ofu read manufacturing job losses caused vastade, yet 80%, the majority have nothing to do with chinese imports. no one is making light of the 20%, those are potentially millions of jobs. the problem, this is something noted in that study, the problem is not trade. the problem is the american labor markets ability to adjust to shocks, whether technological progress, changing consumer tastes, or trade. things that are beneficial overall but cause disruption. in the paper, those authors note that what we need to focus on is the collapse in labor dynamism. as i argue in my piece for national review, there are a lot of government policies, misguided policies that have caused or contributed to the

collapse in labor dynamism. the ability of displaced american workers to find new jobs and become employed again. in the 1990's, this type of labor dynamism was quite positive, it collapsed in 2000 and remained the negative territory ever since. on is inhould focus chinese imports, it is what is wrong with our labor markets that workers cannot find new jobs? that workers cannot resume that natural job churn that the american economy used to be so good at? paul, a democrat in north carolina, go ahead. journalist. a i have written extensively on trade since the 1980's. i agree with some of the comments made in regard -- i

have watched a lot of automation and temporary agencies do away with permanent jobs. that is a factor. however, the trade agreements have worked perfectly the way they wanted to, they moved industry into the south. they couldn't manufacture cheap enough to break the wages low enough there so things may offshore.- moved i am a promoter of fair trade, we do not have fair trade, all in pursuit of cheap labor. host: i want scott to respond. hear: i am thrilled to that we are talking about automation in terms of manufacturing job losses. the ideaeiterate that we do not make stuff is a myth. a maniac -- american manufacturing output is setting

records. the caller mentioned the american south, there are gleaming new manufacturing facilities across the american south, in north carolina, in south carolina, throughout georgia and alabama. a lot of these places are booming. the idea that there is this great off shoring of american labor is belied by the data and our own eyes. we can see it firsthand. host: sandra, columbus, georgia, think?dent, what do you guest: -- caller: i think he trade deals over the last 15 years have not been good for the united states. you have china with their money manipulation. cheap labor. mexico and not all of these people are losing their jobs because these different businesses are being automated. the regulations and the demands made by our government are

making it so difficult for businesses, particularly small businesses to stay in business. something needs to change. host: your response. guest: a great point. the reality is there are a lot of government policies, whether tax policies or regulatory policies, that are making it difficult for american businesses to remain globally competitive. this is not a trade problem. this is a domestic policy problem. one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. tough regulations that strangle small businesses. trade deals get a lot of flak but the reality is they have nothing to do with our sky high corporate tax rate. ,f you look at the numbers there is not a strong connection between the passage of the u.s.

korea fta and the loss of american manufacturing jobs or a decline in the american economy. h responsys donald trump --host: responsys donald trump in gainesville, wisconsin, a community that has lost jobs to manufacturing and he says it is due to trade. wisconsin has lost 15,000 jobs to mexico since nafta. is running also, we forget about him, he voted for nafta. both of them want tpp. transpacific partnership. both want this. that will make nafta look like a baby and wisconsin would be hit so hard. host: a couple of points i want you to take on, did nafta hurt wisconsin? will tpp do even more? guest: i will not be able to

speak to their employment numbers. if you look at the broader national data, we have been losing manufacturing jobs as a shared total employment since the 1940's, losing manufacturing jobs in sheer numerical terms since 1979. long before nafta was ever enforced. we lost about the same number of manufacturing jobs in the years as weg up to nafta and -- did in the years after nafta. the idea that it is a job destroyer for the manufacturing sector is simply false. tpp, it makes a great political target, president obama is pushing and now. it is the embodiment of everything wrong with trade policy, so people can claim. has some goodp things and some bad things. just like nafta, to blame all of

wisconsin's manufacturing problems on nafta or the future tpp is false. trump would be far better served looking at some of the problems in our corporate tax structure, regular tory sector come and labor market, instead of blaming china and mexico for what is obviously a bigger and more complex problem. host: what if we did not go forward with the transpacific partnership? you write, even if it were morally and economically advantageous for the united states to embrace protectionism, it is almost certainly impossible for it to do so. u.s. manufacturers have evolved over decades to become integral links in a complex global outage chain. -- value chain. guest: the numbers eyesight after that are fascinating. about 40% of everything we

export have chinese or mexican or canadian content. of everything china and mexico and canada export has american content. when you look at a so-called american car, quite likely it will have various parts from all over the world. an iphone that says made in inna, it was only a symbol china, it contains parts from japan, taiwan, the united states and relies on amendment can -- american marketing and ingenuity. all of this apart and removed a menu for -- american manufacturing and the economy from this complex global value chain would not just hurt america, it would hurt the global economy. you would be trying to kill the virus of global trade and, in doing so, kill the host, being the united statesco