coverage this election cycle. later, a look at the latest jobs report for march with wall street journal reporter kate davidson. ♪ host: good morning. it april 2, 2016. we will discuss the latest jobs and as released yesterday political roundtable with discussed today's republican convention in north dakota and look ahead to tuesday's primary in wisconsin. asking for your thoughts on how the media has treated your presidential candidate. with other half of the states having held primaries or conventions we want to know if you think your candidate has gotten a fair shake on print, television, radio and online. if they have been treated and let, give examples

us know if you think other candidates have gotten better coverage. the phone lines are open. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents,, (202) 748-8002. you can also catch up with us on social media. twitter, facebook. very good saturday morning. we are talking about media coverage of the 2016 election cycle. do you think your candidate has gotten a fair shake? have any of the candidates gotten a fair shake? our phone lines are open. no stranger to talking about the media and how it covers his campaign. here are two recent examples of his very active twitter page. once as the media is so after me on women. wow, this is a tough business. nobody has more respect for women than donald trump." " it's amazing how often i am

right only to be criticized by the media. illegal immigration, build the wall, muslims, nato." lloyd grove had a bit of a different perspective and a pc wrote for the daily. -- theat large for the headline "has the media turned on donald trump?" trump has sealed utterly nomination process despite repeated affronts to political tradition. he has had his roughest media week in the campaign this past week with journals finally asking tough questions of the republican candidate. besides veteran political dramas -- journalist lisa to follow that his luck has run out. "the whole media, and i include myself, has an under the spell of trump being so fun for so long. now the wind has shifted. when the wind shifted it became clear that ratings would be better if they went after him

because how many more thank you mr. trump interviews can you possibly do?" another critic. here is a piece in slate. sanders and trump have one thing in common, they hate the media. that noted a recent interview that bernie sanders did with the program "young turks" in which he said, "you have corporate media which has conflict of interests." decided corporate control of major television networks saying the media is an arm of the ruling class of this country and they want to talk about everything in the world except the most important issues. bernie sanders and donald trump both criticizing the media. we want to hear your take. marissa is up first in montana. line for democrats. good morning from montana. caller: thank you so much. thank you for book tv and brian. i watch you every morning.

i am so grateful for you guys. thank you. i was just talking to my daughter in bozeman, montana. they are so strong bernie sanders supporters and so am i. we are so concerned about voter -- supreme court dispelling the voter registration act. she was saying arizona there was huge amount of voter fraud and they are investigating it. in 2000 they were 200,000 people and 200 voting things. this year they were 800,000 people that try to vote and only take the voter things -- 60 voter things. host: can you talk about how the media has covered these issues that are important to you and your candidate? caller: it is all about trump. .rump here, trump there you barely hear about bernie sanders. when he gets a little bit of momentum they are so grudging about it.

.t's all about trump why is it all about trump? twitter, the media has devoted weeks of nonstop media to trump an almost nothing covering bernie sanders is the tweet that came in. "ll king writes this morning, media treatment as a matter of perspective depending on if you viewer or your -- fox msnbc rooting for democrats." we are going to be visiting the subject later in today's program. in the 8:45 hour we are joined by jim moran. use the chief media writer. we will have this discussion. the phones are yours. tom, didrepublicans, morning. -- good morning. caller: you guys are some of the

worst people of all. every day, some headline about blasting trump. you don't blast hillary clinton. she will be investigated shortly by the head of the fbi. why all the headlines on trump? why not hillary? she will be investigated by the head of the fbi. other people are making -- you always blast trump. do you want to explain yourself? blastsne of your guests donald trump. c-span is the worst. host: i invite you to look through our video library. we have had trump supporters. we do not write headlines. we look at the headlines in the major papers and around the country and show you the headlines in those papers to try to have a conversation with you about it. we want to hear your thoughts in

a our phones are open on this topic. tim in graham, texas. caller: good morning. i disagree with that other guy. i think everybody does a good job. i have been watching c-span sits and went on the air. i got upset the other night. it was chris matthews in conversation with trump. but this wasppen the worst case. he drew it out of trump. hypotheticals. that is what gets all the politicians in trouble is trying to answer a hypothetical. they are trying to set a trap for you. this one was on the illegal abortions. -- they haverybody is planned and pulled the trigger. msnbc, fox.

that was so unfair. when they started reporting trump wants to put women in jail for having an abortion, it was hypothetical. what if the law changed was the question. the suggestion given by chris matthews. i do not fault trump for that. but everybodyan is sensitive about the candidate. i really thought this was outrageous. it put me into a depression for two days. nonstop watching television. host: stick around. comes on, heer wrote a commerce -- column about that specific interview. about thatk interview but he comes on at around 8:45 this morning. appreciate that call from texas. john from alexandria, virginia. good morning. caller: good morning.

contrasting your previous callers, my problem with the media was hillary clinton. much moneyreport how has been spent. ago.dicted this years tomuch money is being spent dirty her up. i am out of breath. on -- andry morning i'm going of a hill. host: i appreciate you listening to us in your walk. caller: that is my real problem. the fact that the media doesn't ever say how much money is spent. news is even giving bernie sanders some praise.

they was to slip in there, would call him a communist everything out -- everything else. america is not that stupid. host: does the media treat anyone fairly? is a universal? caller: contrasted to the other opinions, they have given trump all kinds of airtime. miss any of his speeches around the country. spent is his own money. not they don't say is it is a lot compared to hillary. he will get that money back i have read if he doesn't make it. host: we will talk more about the money issue in the roundtable coming up.

next we are joined by kelly jane torrent, the managing editor. stories that came his biggest bernie sanders announcing he had raised 40 $4 million in the much of march -- $44 million in the month of march. albany, georgia. edward, good morning. caller: good morning. i amalling. you know what they are doing? they are trying to push donald trump out of the decision. what i think people ought to do is open their eyes. they need a chance to try to change all the laws that are going on with the competition. towardsht to figure out the end if they're going to push him out. why shouldn't the people be able to vote for bernie sanders or whoever afterwards and hold up on the end?

i am a little concerned about that. if they went to the very end and they push him out, all the people that had a chance to vote . my devoted for bernie sanders host: how did they push him out of there? caller: it's not all the media. some of the media. it's a lot of the ladies. that is the world we live in. host: in your opinion, who is the media? caller: a lot of it is the people. they always blame it on the media, but it's a lot of people doing it. i think you have to realize that. host: you mean the individual hosts that interview the candidates? caller: yes sir. they are trying to get recognition and it's the first things like that. donald trump, you can tell he's a good person, but anybody that is push like that.

that is is a little bit hard on people. and he does get pushed hard. they have to understand there is good and bad. i'm concerned about all the votes towards the end. why should a few people be up to take him and push him out of the position? that is all there is to it. you can see it. i think maybe all his voters should -- if they like hillary clinton, vote for hillary clinton. if you like bernie sanders, go out and vote for him. host: jerry is in jacksonville, florida. independent. caller: yes, how are you? agree with the one gentleman that said c-span has been pretty rough on trump starting from monday. every day you have something negative to say about the man. you bring negative people to talk about him. i wish you would do that to the

democrats that call in on the independent line. they call in on the republican line. you know the are not republican. you know they are not democrats. it is some of the same people calling in every week. thank you sir. host: jim is in massachusetts. democrat. good morning. caller: good morning, sir. concern about a friend of mine who accuses trump people of interrupting or breaking of a rally for mr. trump. he says that sanders' people are doing this. my principal source, and i include c-span as media, and the boston globe. i don't see any evidence. perhaps you have had some speakers get callers who provided some evidence. if that is true, that is not a

good thing obviously. jim, as you have been watching the cycle you talked about your principal sources of media. who do you trust in the media? the good to a couple different sources. who do you trust the most? host: i trust c-span. and the boston globe seems reasonable and trustworthy as well. host: thank you for the call for massachusetts. institute did a poll this year about how people are learning about the presidential trustnd what sources they when talking about the presidential race. in terms of common sources, television is the highest at 78%. u.s. adults say they learned of the 20 60 -- 2016 president torres before the poll was done. digital, online at 65%.

radio, 44%. print and newspaper, 36%. local daily newspapers in that quarter were accounted for 29%. national newspapers just 23%. in terms of sources they found most helpful in learning about 24% of thoses, said cableurveyed news is the most helpful place to get information about the presidential race. after that five sources were named. local tv, social network, newsradio and national nightly network news. at the bottom in terms of what was the most helpful, 3% of americans who learned about the -- this includes print of both local and national newspapers.

2% prospectively -- respectively. it also includes late-night comedy shows were not helpful, and website apps and issue-based groups. those were the news sites that research center poll found city the least helpful according to respondent. the can find this at pew research.com. lots of polling data on where people get their information from and how they use that information. james is in virginia beach, virginia. a republican. good morning. caller: good morning. everybody is charging that donald trump his saying -- -- everybody is saying that donald trump is racist or whatever the case may be. that was a word that was put up by ted cruz.

furthermore, i feel like they are asking donald trump questions. why don't we ask about what is ted cruz shutting down the government. james, do you think a lack of coverage of ted cruz is a sign of unfairness? caller: yes. media.essing with the no one knows it that he is doing it. host: who are you supporting in the selection? caller: donald trump. host: james in virginia. carol wrightson on twitter. "marco rubio was treated fairly well. trump has been viciously treated by almost all the media. david says, " the media created donald trump. we the people want him canceled." host: thoughts on how the media

is treating your preferred candidate. georgia north carolina, independent. go ahead. caller: can you hear me ? i think it trump's case the media is treating him unfair. the primary example is this abortion thing. somebody explain to me how festive abortion is illegal and a pregnant woman decides she wants to have an abortion and she goes out and find someone to perform the procedure, how we see the victim? she is guilty and she should be punished for that. i don't understand where people come up with that. you get immediate talk about donald trump said this and that, but they do not quote him exactly. they lead out a word or two or change the order around. they are misquoting him. it's attack, attack, attack constantly. , hashing about ted cruz

anyone noticed how similar he looks like the younger version of grandpa from "the monsters? -- munsters?" host: john, good morning. i am a party supporter. --caller: i made ernie supporters. -- bernie supporter. they are not bringing up voter -- they are not bringing up the fact -- host: reid in washington? caller: thank you and good morning. i have a quick few statements to make. first of all, i am a trump supporter. he is an outsider and that is why the system is so up in arms about trump. he is not status quo and cannot be bought.

i truly believe the rnc has become -- my side of the aisle, the conservatives, are lining up like the way party -- whig party and president clinton's time. they don't want him to be -- president lincoln's time. many things will change in the country were people that have money will be affected by this. like goldman sachs. i'm at a point where i think the delegateseople, the stolen from trump. the speaker of the house said trump needs to be defeated. has anyone ever seen the speaker of the house advocate or rail against a candidate and an election? that is not what they do or what they are supposed to do. and he is going to be the convention?the think about it. it just seems so corrupt.

he will direct what is happening at the convention. party committee steel and election from us, we need to go into tax revolt. i am a self-employed person. i'm of the honorable system to pay my taxes. if all the self-employed people just lockedtry pinkies and said we are going to pay taxes until we get this straightened out. i think the only thing that will truly straightened it out is a 10 million man march, a 20 million man march at the capital demanding constitutional amendment be put in place before we go home. that is the only thing that is going to change it. in this cycle i've been watching fox news. i have not watched them for three or four months because they started railing against trump. it is not their job to take sides. i can barely stomach cnn. without these constitutional

amendments put in place, we need to go into a tax revolt. host: he was talking about the national convention. republicans in north carolina are holding their state convention today. there is a story about it. the top surrogates are converging on north dakota's republican convention to decide how he did the battle for delegate has become as the possibility of a contested convention looms. they award a relatively small number of delegates, but they will be on -- unbound and free to change their minds at any point during the convention. if you want to hear more about did ad delegates, we segment on thursdays program of alex rogers. you can go to c-span.org to learn about the unbound delegates of become free agents and possibly become kingmakers in a contest to convention. bo in new yorkb.

good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i believe the media is really making mountains of money off of trump. if you are changing every time and you speak for the people. the media simply wants them on the air. you can say anything that in size controversy -- insights controversy because it's a big moneymaker. trump is the master a controversy. that is pretty much it. if he sounded dignified, the media would be less interested and not give them the free air time he now gets. host: who do you think doesn't do that? it was doing it just to show the news and something you can

trust. where do you go for your news? john, i did not get what you just said. host: what news sources do you trust? caller: the times. i don't know which one is 100% trustable. from the people's respective, -- prospective, i would trust about bernie sanders. i don't care what the media is going to talk or say about him. here is what i believe bernie sanders is the one candidate we can trust. -- he has done many of my friends a favor. worldunning around the and has proven for all americans the support for something other than -- it is now captured millions of americans.

bernie sanders is the only --didate who is accurately this is all the reality. i don't care what the media talks about. i believe his voice resonates with the same message that it has for decades. the middle class, advocating for equality, air and water for our climate, returned to america's greatness. i think he will be able to do the right thing about disturbing resources and sharing it the squandering orot wasting all that money away. host: that was bob in new york, new york. a key primary battleground for bernie sanders and hillary

clinton. that primary coming up on the 19th. all eyes on your cap to the wisconsin primary takes place next tuesday. steve in virginia on the line for republicans. good morning. caller: thank you. you all are definitely imbalanced news organization. thank you all for c-span. i was unsure about donald trump. trump is saying the things that a lot of people are thinking. he may need take a minute to think things out, or he gets confused like any of us. i'm not so sure. i think it's a larger picture. i think a lot of the news outlets are conglomerates. ande was a website to go to read it on the website. they show these different people that are connected with special organizations conglomerates.

i think they all have a spin on it. i don't understand why people like newt gingrich and all these different people that are has been, trump would say they are losers, they keep giving us an opinion on drafting our opinion. loss in terrific virginia of a virginia state trooper. the minute a state your gets shot, it was a horrible thing. he is a hero. donald trump speaks to the heroes in the family. i think that is why he is going to prevail matter what kind of your coverage he has. thank you for the job you all do. trumptalking about donald and the media coverage he has had. here is donald trump talking to the editorial board of the washington post. a recent visit about the kind of coverage he gets from that publication.

given thep] >> supreme court rulings on libel, how would you change the law? : i would have to get my lawyers and to tell you. i would loosen them up. if the washington post writes badly about me, and they do. i read some of the stories coming up here. staff why are we eating wasting our time? the hatred is so enormous. i don't know why. i do a good job. i have thousands of employees. i work hard. i'm not -- i'm a very rational person and a very sane person. i read articles by you and others. we don't know each other. the level of hatred is so incredible i said, why am i

doing this? and i don't expect anything to happen. >> would that be the basis? t: it is -- trump: if it is wrong. the washington post never calls me. i never had a call why do you do this or did you do that? it's like on this horrible human being. and i am not. i think we all of the country. we come at it from different sides. nobody ever calls me. post from the washington the comments that president obama made about donald trump yesterday on the issue of nuclear weapons. the "new york times" writing that president obama on friday questioned donald trump fithness for office after statements that the united states and its allies should move away from decades on

constraints on the use of nuclear weapons. we've got about 15 minutes left this this segment and then we will revisit later in the show talking about it again in our segment. james up in tampa, florida. line for dracts. >> good morning. yes. my candidate is hillary. her voters -- i don't think that bernie sanders has been vetted properly like hillary.

we know she's been around for a long time. of course the republicans have her where she's -- things are always said about her. and she has been here a long time working for all time not just white people and black people. she's been strong and she's always done what she said she was going to do. bernie sanders even now is criticizing her. i don't think it's fair because 30 been in the senate for years. he's been married twice. so talk about the negative coverage. >> is that unfair coverage by the media? >> i don't think it's unfair because she's running to be the president of the united states. but i think bernie should alleges be vetted the same as she is. i mean, he has made it all the way to april and we haven't heard anything about him.

and people can get on tv and say he's this and i think he's the right person. i don't think it's fair. i know there's stuff to pull out on him. they want him to be the nominee. they don't want hillary to be the nominee. >> the other side of the democratic primary.

tom good morning. >> good morning. bernie sanders all the way. and to that lady that just got done hillary clinton i hope she's listening. go back and look. they talk about bernie standing and walking with martin luther king. they talked about him stopping the segregation in alabama. >> mark in california republican. good morning. >> good morning. just wanted to thank you for what you do. i think it's great. i wish the country would watch more c-span. i think that the entire thing has been turned into a divide and conquer. because cnn, msnbc and fox are doing their level best to turn this into a circus and that's exactly what it is. and it's so hard for nebraska in this country who doesn't do real

research and look beyond the major networks and -- you must know that this country's media is basically fixed corporations. and without something like , wean, and an open dialogue would have -- you know, it would be a lot harder to get our views across. but has anyone's candidate been treated unfairly? everyone's can date has been treated unfair, i believe. because it's turned into a circus. and of course donald trump's in the center ring. but how can you get an ngt thought across when cnn doesn't report anything but in election that's all they report on?

it's all that msnbc reports on all day and that basically all that fox reports on all day. so it's pretty much my comment. i just thank you c-span for what you do. and i hope that people would reach out and do a little research and not just watch tv. thank you. >> mark on the issues outside of the election that we're going to be talking about and have talked about here on the worl, here's a story from the financial times today.

early in the week. late in the week here a budget agreement worked out in new york. working on a deal to gradually raise the state's minimum wage a few of the workers in the state. some would see a $15 minimum wage as early as 2018. others farther along down the line.

we covered that on thursday if you want to look at our coverage nd some of the comments. kevin line for dracts. good morning. >> how are you doing? >> i'm good. >> i voted for obama twice and i want to apologize to the world or that.

>> we're focusing on the media and the media coverage of the candidates. washington, an independent. go ahead. >> my favorite candidate is clinton but i think they're treating bernie pretty bad. he seems to be a really good dude. i would like to remark on how amazes me, i it never hear this anywhere else except on your program and i don't understand why people who sit down and talk and have a conversation on the subject are considered liberals. i don't understand that. people conservatives seem to say that. it amazes me. like i said, i'm voting for

clinton -- i'll vote for a dract, period, whatever. but i think they're showing personie pretty badly. we'll have an hour long roundtable coming up in about five or ten minutes. a few more calls. good morning. >> yes. i want to thank c-span for making our voice heard. first of all. and i think that my candidate is bernie sanders. i think that he has been treated very unfairly by the media. which is controlled by the corporation banks wall street insurance companies and he's treated with disdain and mocked by many newscasters. bernie supports social programs that are the cornerstone of

america like social security andmaker. and these programs benefit the masses. and that's democratic socialism. i would like to see a little bit more talked about hillary in the advantages that she's seaved through the clinton foundation. as secretary of state. she seaved lots of worldwide condistribute yngs and those have personally benefited her. z there's a tweet that says it's not about who the establishment media treats unfairly but pay attention to whom they promoted. hillary clinton and jeb bush. do you think that's more dangerous than treating a canned date unfairly, promoting a candidate? >> i think it's sad that our country has turned to

propaganda. >> how? >> when one side is given preference over another through the media. >> so what's a recent example of an issue that came up on a campaign trail where this happened? >> well, i think that when just the dnc the debates, bernie's always going first. hillary picks through his speeches and then she fine tunes her responses based on his. using sometimes people from the audience that bernie had previously spoken to. that would be one. >> thanks for the call from california. steve in massachusetts, a republican. >> thanks very much. i think the public resources such as here in massachusetts should at least be on the table for all these candidates to weigh in on. and the media is about 25 issues. and that's about it. and so i really think the

broadening out and having let's say a top 100, a top 50, that's the media's job is to pick their brains and find out who is up to snuff. all right? that's about it. thanks. >> and sam is in florida. an independent. sam, good morning. >> hi. good morning. first i thank you for your people talk not like the rest. my point is i used to be democrat but for the first time thanks to donald trump i am becoming -- i believe in him 110%. i hope this media really stops treating him unfairly. i have a big issue of it with ted cruzz because of his faith where did this come from? definitelies there something bad about him.

>> when you say the media is treating donald trump unfairly, what's an example of that? >> the way they show him what a monster and i know these are all coming through the government because it comes from the government. they're just trying to make him look very bad. >> where have you seen that play out in the media? >> sorry? >> what's a recent story or recent program you've seen where you think that's happened? >> good you're asking that question. the other day he attacked him so viciously. but chris matthewings should know he is not a politician. donald trump is not a politician. he was cornering him like he was chasing him. and he's so proud the way he treated him. it is so horrible. it is so horrible. cnn will talk to him so roughly. they just try to corner him. come on. he is not a politician. he is just a man who comes and

tells people's minds. he is so honest at least he talks and that's why some -- he has some supporters. thank you sotch. >> let's go to joe in north carolina. joe, good morning. >> good morning. i don't know whether you can hear me or not but what i'm commenting on is about this media circus. the way it's playing the people of this country. the people of this country have become i had yots. they don't see that they've got a republican congress and a republican senate. they're forgetting about that. all they're thinking about is a couple circus people running around to be president. the president don't mean nothing in this country. the corporations have got us so zwided and stupid that we can't even think any more. us to wake up or

nd start thinking. >> snet and if house also olding election this is cycle. talking about in our roundtable next. don. go ahead. >> good morning. thank you for taking my call. if it wasn't for c-span i

probably wouldn't be watchinging any politics because of the left wing cnn and msnbc. my candidate donald trump was treated very unfairly. he said he wasn't a politician initially. our e's going to reel in country and get us jobs. and chris matthews exploited him just like they did sarah palin when she was running with john mccain. because she said that she could see raush from alaska. now, my case in point is this. how come nobody asked hillary clinton that her plane when she was landing in kosovo took bullets and how come nobody exploited her on her joining the marine corps many, many years ago?

those all came out but nobody ever -- at her town hall ever asked her those questions. and the left wingers like i say i won'tand msnbc -- and even watch megan kelly's show any more because they're trying to bring out that the women 70% of them don't like donald trump. i want to know who takes these polls and who they poll because i have never been polled by nebraska. thank you for taking my call. >> if you want you can check the c-span archives. we've done segments with pollsters before to talk about how they find those that they poll, how these are put together. go to our archives. you can find all that information. of course this cycle will probably be revisiting that topic as well. but up next as we said we will have a saturday political

roundtable, we'll talk about the latest developments including those all important primaries? wisconsin and today's republican convention in north dakota. we'll be joined by kelly attorneys and george zornic of the nation. and later revisit the topic of how the media has covered campaign 2016.

>> for a saturday morning roundtable discussion of all things campaign 2016, we're oined by george and kelly.

start with the republican front runner. as far as political weeks go, where does this one rank for donald trump? >> it's definitely one of his worst weeks. someone actually asked him that. he said weeks are good, weeks are bad. late last night i'm looking he actually had five different positions on abortion this week. i'm not exaggerating. which is a pretty big issue in the republican primary often. not a good week. and wisconsin coming up, everyone is focused and he is down right now. cruzz is looking to take that. so the focus was on dumped trump but not in a good way. george, donald trump campaign manager was booked on simple battery charges walking back punishment for women who have abortion. poll numbers changing in wisconsin. what do you think he should be most concerned about coming off

this week? >> his numbers with women. we rarely see donald trump back trak no matter what. and this week he did on his comments that women who have abortions should maybe be punished. so you don't see that muff. furm back in the debates before that he was saying nice things about planned parenthood. he maintained an ant abortion stance but he feels his vulnerability with women and we've seen in polls his number with women cratering. what was happening before the comments but it's only gotten worse. >> the latest polls out of wisconsin. the fox business poll from this week had cruzz 42%, trump 32%. another poll had cruzz up 38% to 37% over trump. and then several other polls coming out this week showing shifts in wisconsin. so what's the story line on

wednesday as ted cruzz if those polls are true? >> that's good news for him. it doesn't mean trump's out but it certainly hurts his momentum and it makes the idea of a brokored or contested convention in july that much more likely. he's trying to bring out the big guns. he's got sara palin in wisconsin campaigning for him. but that's not going to be enough. it's not looking good for him. and cruzz doesn't need to win this to make it look more likely that trump's not going to be anywhere near the number of delegates he needs to have an easy shot. >> and george breaks down the democratic side coming into tuesday. bernie sanders with polling showing ahead in wisconsin though not as much as some of those polls show of ted cruzz over donald trump. but bernie also with reports coming about raising $44 million in march. so what's the story line on wednesday? >> this always was going to be his best state. it's a heavily union state.

there's a lot of progressive activists on the ground who are sort of battle tested with the battles with scot walker. frankly we know that he doesn't do as well in states where there are high african american populations. so i think even a few weeks back he was looking at wisconsin as a place where they can do well but at the end of the day is can he catch hillary clinton? a nare of win in wisconsin is not going to get him the delegates he needs ultimately if you project doub the road. >> care to weigh in? and bernie sanders continuing to stick around. a lot or stoffy lines written that he won't be able to catch hillary clinton and yet he continues to tick around. >> george is right. wisconsin being one of the more progressive states a locket of activism there. what i think is interesting is the focus on wisconsin. we haven't had a primary since march 22nd and new york next for the democrats looking at april

19. so this is a period where we have nothing going on but wisconsin so yever one is looking at that. bernie is behind. he needs these delegates. and he needs them not just for the numbers but to try to convince the super delegates that maybe they should give him a shot rather than hillary. most she has more than he does but they're not bound to hillary. >> i don't want to overlook north dakota's 28 delegates elected at convention tonight but these are the unbound delegates. so your thoughts on the story lines coming out of tonight? >> these people are in an interesting year because this is one of the first years in ages that delegate counts are going to possibly matter closely and unbound delegates there's not that many of them. just a few dozen total at the govep and they can go in and don't have to vote first round or second round for a specific candidate like most do. they can vote for anyone they want. so they're being courted.

the "new york times" had a piece yesterday. some of these people might want to ride in donald trump's plane. which is you know a little crazy but then again this is a crazy election year. >> we're asking our viewers to weigh in on this political roundtable. we'll be here talking campaign 2016. we'll take your questions and your comments. you can join us by calling in. tom up first in vermont. good morning. >> good morning. it's really crazy. donald trump admits that he gave contributions to hillary. well, several democrats and several republicans.

back in the 70s, you guys remember this little deal he had called ab scam where people were making contributions and going to jail for it. and donald trump actually admits that he was doing giving these donations to get favorable treatment. he was buying votes or buying favors. and everybody just ignors it like it's no big deal. everybody does it. it's a modern day abscam what he has done. also, barack obama has brought all these illegal aliens in and given them driver's licenses. and signed them up as voters. as democratic voters. and then he shipped the people all over the united states to certain areas to pick up ewlecttorl votes.

so no matter what they're going to end up with all these votes that's going to way the election in the democratic favor no matter how the american people vote. it's come down to where the american people individual votes really don't make a bit of difference any more. >> tom in vermont. so two issues. immigration and past campaign donations. you want to start? >> the trump thing is interesting. the caller is right. donald trump has donated to various politicians in the past on both sides. but what's bizarre is he is actually managing in some ways to use it in his favor. he says yes i've done that. and this is exactly why an outsider is needed to come in and shake things up. it's bizarre that somebody who is so fond of using that system is the person that we were going to trust to get rid of it. but he is using it in his favor and it's using -- working.

>> specifically the changing electorate as a result of immigration in recent years. >> what i think donald trump has understood perfectly is that there rally are few republican moderates on immigration. when you look at the polls a big chunk of the party does self-identify as moderate on things you may not expect. climate change, choice. but on immigration when you look, even those moderates almost overwhelmingly, over 803r9s want a candidate who is going to get tough on immigration. that's why you hear a lot of folks who would not normally be for such a guy. >> good morning. >> good morning. i think the news media has been very unfair to donald trump.

ted cruzz was on one of the shows said if he caught donald trump he wouldn't know which to push. that would have been a terrorist threat against his life. but they just let that go. it was just wonderful ted cruzz approved of the super pack that . t all that >> you want to weigh in on this flap over the wives of the candidates being brought into this race? >> it's hard to imagine donald trump rolling over and playing dead ever on any issue. but so the caller's referring

there was an ant trump super pax that put out an add in utah with a racey picture of mall anie from gq she posed years ago. this would be your next first lady. utah, are a very conservative state, and cruz won utah. did very well. then donald went back and started talking about cruz's wife. just it's -- this is a particularly ugly election campaign. and just when you think it can't get uglyor then they talk about what each person's wife looks like. it's really disappointing i have to say. and this is also not helping donald trump with women either going after ted cruz's wife. >> and all these story lines coming together. we'll see how it plays out in wisconsin. the candidates looking ahead. last night in wisconsin republican presidential dinner that was held there. cameras were there.

ted cruz had this to say about the state's role in campaign 2016. >> wisconsin is a ballotground. areentire country it's eyes on the great state of wisconsin. this state the men and women here you have a platform, you have a mega phone where you are speaking not just for this state but for the entire country. and i will say for the 65 to 70% of republicans nationwide who recognize that nominating donald trump is a train wreck that's actually not fair to train recks. that nominating donald trump elects hillary clinton. hillary not only wins but she wins by a big margin. and if hillary is the next

president, the supreme court is lost for a generation, the bill of rights is lost. our kids are buried in trillions more in debt and we stay in the sape economic stag nation we struggled through the last seven years. what we are saying happening in wisconsin and all across the country is republicans are coming together and uniting ehind this campaign. >> ted cruz saying in that clip that nominating ted cruz elects hillary clinton president. why are democrats so sure about that in an election year where a lot of what was expected to be turned out to be wrong why so sure about that? >> if you look at the polls -- and you're right. several months before general election aren't written in stone. but if you look at how donald trump is doing with women, there was a time when about a month

ago when a lot of wlibrals were looking and saying he's going to run hard on trade, he's going to make a big deal about presumably hillary clinton's financial records. and the same formula that worked in the primary might actually work in the general. if he really turns out those white republican working class voters that he might do very well. we're seeing is an absolute plummeting of his support among working class white republican women. so for every man that he is turning out, the wife or the woman is saying i'm not really that interested. the only thing i would say is that ted cruz says if you nominate trump hillary clinton is going to win. cruz doesn't do that well against hillary clinton. but ted cruz is an extremely hard right guy who if donald trump didn't exist cruz would be the guy that would launch about a thousand think pieces about the republican party. he's not exactly a moderate.

>> one of the map that have come out looking ahead to the general election is from the university of virginia center for politics. his projections about a potential clinton trump matchup. had hillary clinton winning that 347 electoral votes to 191 for donald trump. do you buy that map? >> i kind of do. you know what's interesting is this race is different this year so different from 2012 but one of them is the discussion of the electability. now, in 2012 we kept hearing mitt romney. and that's what created the momentum behind him to finally become the nominee. this year it's we again have ted cruz versus donald trump. neither are looking to do that well against hillary clinton and nobody is talking about let's find somebody really electable. it's totally different year. and i can't figure out what is going on and why people aren't

considering looking at those. polls as early -- this is far out but it doesn't look good now and as george says it looks worse and worse the closer we get. >> let's head to north carolina where larry is waiting. >> good morning. my question was about senator cruz. isn't a ballot a legal document? and when you put your name on a legal document aren't you supposed to use your real name? i was looking for ted cruz. i could find a ra fall cruz from canada but not a ted cruz. so if people were looking for a ted cruzes there no ted cruz. there's a raff fail. >> why does this matter sotch the name that ted cruz goes by? >> well, when i go to summer and sign my name on a legal document they tell me i have to put my name on a legal document not

pick tishes names. not run in there and run for president under the name of bubba gump. you have to put your real name down. don't you? i'm asking about the law not -- >> anyone want to pick up the question? >> it's an interesting question but i can write a check to somebody named theedor and that guy can cash that check. so we've got a bit of wiggle room. >> we've seen from the beginning donald trump trying to make ted cruz an other. he particularly kept saying he was born in canada. i think some of the jurnt current about what is his real name is that it sounds less american than ted. but it's been this weird dynamic where even in the republican party, ted cruz, suggesting that maybe he's not quite american. >> how he's going to be both hispanic and canadian though. that's -- they're going to have a little trouble.

>> goes unched not american i think. >> good morning. >> good morning. i'm here to make a few comments. number one some man before just said that it want didn't have any power. our president has exercised quite a bit of power. and i must admit we are a three- balanced system with the justice and the congress. and then president. i ran into general elections and truthfullies there a lot of dishonsty. i wonder about bernie sanders who was in the congress for 25 years i believe. did he accomplish anything in those 25 years? or why are we even considering him? i want to also say that when trump got criticized for his manager pulling that lady off of him, i've been in those kind of crowds. apparently she was not supposed

to be pulling on trump to get his attention because she wanted to ask him something. but the manager had a perfect right to pull her back. he did not throw her tot ground as she said. so i think the press really overplayed that. i also wanted to say it's interesting cruz didn't make any friends in congress. i don't understand that. >> a lot of issues you're bringing up. let us take a few of those before we go on. why are we considering bernie sanders, the appeal of bernie sand sners >> a lot of people have this idea of him as a liberal fire brand. but we got a fair amount done. he worked with john mccain to do a reform of the veterans affarse system. there was a good piece about how many eanlts he passed mainlyly the house but the way he was able to work the process. at the end of the day neither are going to really convince republican fs they still control congress to go along with their

agenda. there's no magic formula as the republican party has constituted on the verge nominating trump is going to turn around and say ok we'll vote for paid family leave or fee college tuition or a climate plan. i don't think that happens no matter what persuasive powers of bernie or hillary are. >> i want you to weigh in on the michelle field incident. donald trump's campaign manager pulling michelle fileds away from the candidate charged with simple assault. where that happened. the videotape that was released by the hotel where hah occurred. your thoughts on this incident. >> you know, this incident was -- this has to be the most viewed video of the campaign almost. people are going really into it what happened exactly. there's no question she was bruised quite badly by the incident. he certainly grabbed her hard. but again this is first of all this is another reason why trump is tanking with him.

not only did he not at all deevend this reporter or say hey maybe this guy was a little too tough but he started attacking her. she had a pen. it could have been a bomb. >> let's show our viewers what donald trump said tuesday night in wisconsin. >> her statement changed big league because she said go to the ground all this. i could read it to you. does nebraska want to hear it? i mean i want to be accurate because i like to press. so before she knew she was on tape she said i was jolted backwards. was she jolted backwards? her face stayed the same. so i was jolted backwards. someone grabbed me tightly by the arm and yanked me down. campaign managers aren't supposed to forcefully throw reporters tot ground. except she never went tot

ground. she never even came close. she never even flinched. if somebody grabs you, even a biker or putches you a little bit oh. right? the toughest guy the toughest woman. look at her face. it's zero. they're going to destroy a man's life? >> donald trump on tuesday in wisconsin. do you think this is one week's story or a couple days or something that continues? >> it's just crazy to take a step back. remember in 2012 the big scandal with mitt romney as related to women was when he was talking about hiring he said he had binders full of women and everybody lost their minds as this. now we have campaign managers being charged with assaulting female reporters among other things. it will be kind of a one week story. the thing that is are sliding by and the way the atmosphere has

changed. they're going to be writing books about this campaign. >> even if it's a one-week story which i'm not convinced of, it should have been a one-day story. he should have apologized the campaign manager should have apologized. either they don't know how to do zadge control or they're too stubborn. this could have been dealt with in a day. and they're stubborn. now we're talking about this ather than substantive issues. >> i think one of the big fantasies in politics is that hillary clinton will be indicted this summer. i think there's an extremely small chance of that. and i think -- >> why? >> when you look at the reporting what she did if anything was something that no one else has really been -- you look at what happened to david petraeus who did something far

worse was handling sensitive material off to let's say a pefrpbl friend. you know. and he took the lowest possible plea so you look at then what hillary did which was less seers than him it's hard to see where they charge her with anything particularly in a highly charged campaign season. whether democrat or republican you have to really if you're goig to charge a presidential candidate you have to have them cold and it has to be a clear wrong doing. a lot of folks are fooling themselves she can't win. think that's a mistake. the system has a lot of deference to people in power. they have to have a lot of evidence and a lot of guts to

indict someone like that. so i think it's low. and we'll see what happens. >> about a half hour left in our roundtable this morning. independent, done, good morning. >> good morning. i will like to say the american people have really got it wrong. i mean, all these candidates and obama they all are for the rich. i mean, i don't understand why the republican party hates obama sotch. they make more money under him than nebraska. hillary clinton. nebraska else it's going to be indicted? no. crooks don't indicted crooks. bernie sanders wants to give america away. cruz. green eggs and ham. donald trump is playing the race

card. it's not about black and white. it's about rich and poor. an i don't mean guy whose have made a million dollars. i'm talking about 10 billion dollars. i just think america's got it wrong. thank you. >> george the race card in this election. >> this has been for sure one of the most interesting elections as it comes to race. is the 're seeing republican party frankly becoming a party of and for whites who feel disenfranchised. if you look at some of the stuff, these protests are happening on racial grounds. and it's increasingly true that i think white people in america are feeling some at least are feeling a sort of demographic pressure that they are becoming the minority. we knew that this was going to sort of rock and change elections going forward. i don't think anyone knew it would happen this quickly and violently. but it's squarey to think about the implications. think about what's going to

happen in cleveland late this july or early august if some of the protests that we've seen early extrap late to a big rally, tens of thousands of people protesting. >> i think the caller has a good part. race has definitely been a big part of this race. but the rich and poor too. bernie sanders is having a lot of trouble picking up african american votes. that's one of the reasons he's polling bet anywhere wisconsin. and isk his base is also a lot of disaffected whites. but different views than the republicans that are looking at trump. but there's an interesting racial divide on the democratic side, too. it has been a very interesting campaign to watch. it's bizarre that we're just finishing our first black president and things seems like have not gotten really better in america in some ways between the races. they're looking to get kind of lig as george said. sfl

>> south carolina. republican. good morning. >> good morning. i'm voting for trump. and i think that what i feel is that it has just been turned into such a circus that not even the important questions are being asked. it's been just nothing but all of the candidates throwing trump under the bus using anything they can to put him down. and instead of really looking at the important issues and what needs to be looked at to better america. >> what are those important questions that need to be asked fud the chance to ask one or two questions what would you ask? > well, first of all, it would jobs and are veterans and jobs and being homeless. the general public needing jobs nd being homeless.

jobs going overseas instead of being brought back here. and health care. and obama care is so ridiculous. and the prices that it's gone to and increase to -- i mean people i know in general what they were paying before that and what it's costing them now. and the deductibles that they're costing each individual in that family are so high that it doesn't even make sense to have it. but if they don't have it then hey're fine. the thing with all of the muslims being here. and the threats that it's caused. he other thing is the racial

division that has been created in the last seven years is the worst that i have ever seen in my life. >> so some of the issues that she wants to hear more about jobs veterans issues. health care. obama care. immigration comes back into play. do you think these have gotten short sliffed in this election? >> they have but it's interesting to hear a trump supporter complain about a circus. >> exatsly what i was thinking. >> trump has not outlined clear positions on a lot of things. now, on muslim immigration he has outlined a very clear and i think terrible policy which is he wants to end it. that's pretty straightforward. but what is donald trump's actual jobs policy? it's hard to say. and for all the media attention and all the thousands of words that have been spilled from huzz mouth we don't know what that is. so i think it's hard to say. but at her core we're hearing a

lot of why this election is so -- for a lot of people things are not going well economically. 90% has not gotten a raise in about 10 years. so that's going to upset elections in very unpredictable and strange ways. >> i couldn't agree more. it seems odd to hear a trump voter complaining about circus because to me that's the reason that this race is a circus this year is we have the front runner as somebody who refuses to talk about policy. have we heard the word obama care coming out of trump's mouth? not very often. of course it's going to be difficult to talk about it. so it's disappointing as this is a really tough time for americans and yet this seems to be the race that is least likely to bring forward a real discussion of the issues and what we might do to turn things around. >> i want to ask the "new york

times" talked about the never trump movement. conservatives republicans who say they will never vote for donald trump. they ask why does never trump mean cruz? they ask couldn't moderate conservatives when they say never trump more logically mean maybe casic? why -- do you agree that means cruz? >> i don't think so at all. >> are you a never trump person? > i am unaffiliated. i was born in can da. which i think is good. i like to think i'm a little outsigh the fray. i can look a little more detached. but when is the last time we've seen a race where the front runner actually there's a hash tag saying let's never this person? it's interesting. now cruz right now looks to be the guy who has the best shot of beating trump. and it's funny because who would have thought that the establishment would start coming

out for ted cruz? only donald trump could make that happen. that's why rubio has been making moves to keep his delegates bound to him. i think that there are some worries that cruz is almost as unelectable as trump and people are looking to get somebody a little more moderate, more appealing to women and minorities in there. i think we're seeing a lot of the stuff going on in the background. >> let's go to connecticut line for democrats. good morning. >> good morning. i was just listening. i'm a sanders supporter and i have been watching the race. i finally decided to go for sanders over clinton. the reason why i do believe that sanders is getting a bum rap. and when they do cover him they're saying it's clinton against trump. and i hear that even this morning. it's not. because clinton has not been nominated by our party. there's a race going on.

i think the media makes a big mistake. and even on c-span saying well what do you think is going to happen between clinton and trump? the voters haven't decided. and i think people have to start -- i studied broadcasting and jourmism. i believe the media needs to be more objective and the coverage of these candidates and not sort of -- i think the media coordinates clinton as being our nominee. there's going to be a contested convention in philadelphia. i guarantee it. and i think that you're seeing sanders on momentum now. i think he has a good chance of taking new york. and that's why she's going. if you see what she did tot green peace activists that's a good example of why she should be president. what about her f.b.i. investigation? two federal judges now on her case. i think 2 media needs to concentrate on that. i think she basically is a krnl in my book. if you study what she's done if

she gets to be nominated there will be a lot of democrats that will not vote for her. >> on a contested possibly democratic convention? >> i don't think that's likely. it's true she has not sune up this nomination and bernie could win it. the nation endorsed bernie sanders and has recently said he could keep running. i think it's also important though just to be clear eyed about what the delegate count is and how big a share of the remaining states he would have to win in order to actually win the nomination. it doesn't seem likely. and i think it's important for supporters to say this isn't over. we should keep voting and organizing but recknidse that the road is steep and that at the end of the day there's probably not going to be an indictment that comes in and saves their candidate or anything of that nature. >> i want to return tot michelle

fields incident with donald trump in which his campaign manager was charged with simple assault. an article out wless than half an our ago noting that trump's campaign is shrinking his role. surprising? >> a little. se standing by the guy or not? this could have been a one-day story if the campaign manager apologized fed been a little less supportive of the campaign manager man handling women. t of course a -- worked with

roger stone has been one of his most outgoing surrogates. >> but left the campaign itself. >> that's right. >> and who knows what exactly was going on there. i get the impression, this is one of the interesting things about a donald trump presidency. you sort of know with republican candidates they have to work with the people that have come up through the party people in washington who have come up through the different departments. who is going to be working in a donald trump presidency if he were to win? the fact is i'm not sure donald trump knows because i don't think donald trump thinks about that. i think donald trump is a very hands on kind of guy. he likes control and doesn't like to give it away tooch. he has been one of the few people who has got donald trump's ear. so it's a little surprising. >> a little more contact on the shift from the politico story. is imparting natural

outgrows. but according to sources it's also at least partly the result of long simmering concerns about embers of his inner circle. guest: the most interesting story about the "new york times" that he had about the meeting at he r.n.c. and his prebit was cruz peeled off these five delegates and that's not fair and the r.n.c. explain what had the process was and why trump did not take advantage to it properly. and he turned to his team and said ok. i think we're not doing the right thing here and it was a rare admission of sort of weakness from trump in a closed room and that's what's derivativing these changes. it should be assaulting an reporter but he's realizing that it's going to be a scrap for delegates and his teams may not

be ready to compete. guest: that was a great story, that "new york times" piece and three story who have been heavily briefed from the meeting. donald trump said you guys aren't playing fair and he looked at his team like how did e not know this? can delegates change? the g.o.p. just launched a new gop. te, conventionfacts. they're pushing back against this idea that they have been unfair to trump and explain to people these have been the rules for ages. host: two quick programming notes here on c-span concerning the campaign 2016 race. donald trump is holding a town hall today at 4:00 p.m. in rothschild, wisconsin. you can see that here on c-span. and later today at 7:00 p.m., hillary clinton and bernie sanders are going to be at the

2016 founder's day gala in milwaukee, wisconsin. back to the phones. sandra this wilmington, north carolina, an independent. sandra, good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i just have an observation that i would like to see. the town hall with anderson cooper, donald trump easily kicked off all of the country with nuclear capability and all of the country to whom we pay big money for defense and israel was not mentioned in either list. and from what i understand, we pay prices, many american dollars towards israel. israel in 2017 that tends to increase almost more than half. what are your thoughts on this? host: george zornick, any thoughts? guest: yeah, foreign aid comes up a lot in these.

i think it's important to look at foreign aid and donald trump has made some ways recently saying oh, he will, you know, drive back and these countries like japan and protect themself against north korea. the important thing to understand is when you break it all down, the amount that the united states gives out in foreign aid and that's all foreign aid what you consider good and bad, a small fraction of the budget and getting rid of it is not going to solve any long-term problem. host: a question from twitter. how much foreign influence is in our elections now? obviously, candidates can't take foreign donations or donations from foreign nationals but in terms of leaders of other countries and comments that they've made about this election. your thaw tons how they played nto the news this cycle. guest: leaders have afraid to say anything. justin trudeau, the new prime minister of canada, he at first

said a few negative things about trump and started to realize wait, this guy could be the next president and started to backtrack and saying i'm sure the american people will choose who is going to best serve their interests. they've got to be diplomatic. guest: and they've got to be strategic. if the head of all these european countries say oh, we hate trump. we're terrified of him, think about who is trump's beauregard. that's terrible for him. and i think that understand that. host: nashville, tennessee's up next. frank, a democrat. good morning, frank. caller: good morning. i know why these opposed donald trump because donald trump cannot be controlled by the establishment, the republicans. but i'm wondering why people if they do not like donald trump supposed to select ted cruz when you have another candidate, john

kasich who's also running that would be to me, more suitable for the establishment to back instead of ted cruz. ted cruz does not get along with anybody. and if he's elected, i don't see how he can get anything done. i don't know how what he can do with the american people. guest: ted cruz, a lot of it is personal. he is basically a normal republican in the sense of his financial backers on what you normally tend to see, their big oil companies, finance companies, despite his wilder ideas about getting rid of the i.r.s. he can -- he wants to cut taxes, deregulate, step up enforcement of social issues. he is basically in the camp of a known republican. he can be controlled by the establishment.

he's not going to do anything that's really going to be too far off the reservation from what they want. what trump does starting day one is anybody's guess at this point right now including donald trump. caller: good morning. i'm an african-american black woman college educated. as an independent, i'm sitting back and i'm thinking about what i want. what i want to do, i want to see a shaker of the establishment. i want to see change and i know as far as hillary's concerned, she's not a change. hillary changes with whatever's politically correct to believe or stand on at the time. so i don't trust her. i did vote for bernie sanders in the primary. so if he gets the nomination, then i will go with him. but if hillary clinton gets the nomination, i will vote for trump and the reason is i see

trump, first of all, he was correct in telling the truth that he knows that politicians can be bought. he already know how to play the game. and not only that, but he's not controlled. and i appreciate -- i believe that both him, i believe that bernie sanders and trump, they would be the ones that will shake up and try to make some difference. and that's what the people -- that's why congress like yourself don't understand why people voting for trump or why are these people voting for bernie sanders? it's because we know that the politician that have comfort, they have given us all of their plans but when they get office, they change. they don't hold to it. so that's what it's all about. the people out here's trying to tell you people that we are tired of the same old, same old and we want a change. guest: you know, she's just expressed perfectly, the mood of this election season. it's a very anti-establishment. let's get them out. that is one of the benefits of

being donald trump and not making a lot of promises what you're going to do when you're president. one thing i do find interesting and bringing this back to the cruz thing this donald trump keeps saying ted cruz, nobody likes him. his own colleagues in the senate won't endorse him. what does he think that's such a bad thing? isn't it a good thing that the washington establishment has been slow to endorse ted cruz? host: let's go to a republican, buford. good morning. caller: good morning. i had a few things that i would like to say. one, they keep talking about 127 investigators with the f.b.i. on that e-mail thing for hillary clinton. undoubtedly, people don't keep up with the facts.

there's only about a dozen of them, start with. and another thing, they don't pay close enough attention to all the facts when it comes out. if you watch that video, you can assistant there grabs this news lady and jerks on her. you can tell he did something to her, but trump gets up there and just says whatever feels good for him at the time or either what helps him get out of his lies. i'm republican myself. and i like to see certain people get in there too, but, you know, if you've got to lie to get into public office, you know, there's no reason to keep trying to go

down that road to making people believe that you didn't do something when you did. trump is a professional con artist. host: that's buford in mississippi. george zornick, do the truth matter less in this election cycle than in previous cycles? guest: that's certainly true. trump lives in this fantasy world like the caller said. cruz wrote an op-ed about his plan to patrol and secure muslim neighborhoods. and in his op-ed, he threw out this line that the obama organization colluded the country to think about a law that would make a decision of radical islam illegal which will threat then first amendment. that's not playing with the numbers of how many jobs of obama care. that is a platt-out fantasy and i follow -- flat-out fantasy and i follow ted cruz and he would

throw out things all the time. he was frequent -- he said on the trail that obama had made it a rule that troops were not allowed to pray, active duty troops were not allowed to pray. the election is existing in the sort of fantasy world and people have lost faith in the media to the point when the media demoms and fact checks these things, people are saying you're biased. you live in a bubble. host: on the part that the agents that are working on the e-mail case, this number coming perhaps from this "washington post" story that originally cited that 147 agents had been detailed to the investigation. that had cited a lawmaker that was briefed by the f.b.i. irector on that. the f.b.i. will provide the figure to "the washington post." officials say that the number of nib personnel involved is fewer

than 50. so that was the latest update from "the washington post" for those trying to get the exact number. did you want to weigh in? guest: is that sort of like being a little bit pregnant? the idea is yes, it's a serious investigation. well, it's not 147. it's fewer than 50. i mean, it's a serious investigation. and it's, you know, it's shocking. and just one more quick thing, george is right. ted cruz like to say strange hings. for example, the french president was here in the summit and the white house edited out his use of the term islamic terrorism. they dropped the audio at that part. bizarrely. i mean, why? so i think things like that that lead people to be suspicious.

and that's why when ted cruz or donald trump say something utrageous, it gets traction. host: joe is in new orleans, louisiana, a democrat. thanks for waiting, joe. caller: good morning. i have genuinely been curious as to why individuals who are considered financially middle class or poor vote republican. when you think about the fact -- and also when you think about the fact that it is congress that makes laws. people are talking about what the president can do. the president can't do anything and congress approves votes it and the president signs the bill to make it law.

but when they talk about not -- about jobs, about getting factories and that overseas to come back, when you go back and listen to some of the things that our current president has after indicated, those are some of the things that he wanted to o. so when you want change, think about what you vote as congress people. they are the ones who make the difference. the president has power, yes, but the president can't do anything unless congress approves it. and i just don't understand how poor people and middle class people always seemingly vote against their best interest when they vote for republicans.

republicans are for the rich. publicans are for people who -- who, you know, have and will continue to get. they seemingly don't have any concern about poor people. host: her thoughts about congress and how congress interacts with the people brings up this story from "the washington post." it's a topic that's been debated this week of weather -- whether can become so unpopular, whether democrats have a chance to take back the house of representatives. what do you make of that speculation? guest: i think it's a real fear and i think it's an accurate fear. democrats until recently hadn't even thought hey, maybe we've got a chance to take it back. all of a sudden, trump is the

most disliked person that's the frontrunner for a major party nomination. and generations, since they've been tracking these things, anyway, and pem are going to worry this is going to hurry republicans down the line. it is congress is supposed to make the laws and that has a lot of importance but one of the reasons that we're so worried about and talk so much about the presidential race is more and more presidents are expanding in the executive power and using it more than they shouldn't. president obama himself. he didn't like -- congress wasn't doing what he wanted to in immigration and he signed a lot of executive order and doing it. they can't do a lot. for example, trump says if he's president, he's going to open up the libel law so he can go after newspapers that attack him. i mean, this is a shocking thing for a presidential candidate to say that i'm going to do something completely unconstitutional but people are eating it up. the media is not one of the favorites in this either. host: george zornick in our last

minute. guest: a poll came out that says democrats are plus six in the congressional ballot. that's not enough to take over the house but the trend line is something very similar to what we saw 2006, 2008, when democrats did take over the congress. voters are ready to punish republicans even down the ballot if donald trump is at the top of it. host: george zornick in washington, editor at "sportsnation," kelly kelly, deputy manager of "the weekly standard." pressure your time this morning on the "washington journal." next, how the media has covered campaign 2016. we'll continue that conversation that we started at the top of our show. jim warren will join us and katie davidson will be here to break town the march jobs numbers that was released yesterday. that's coming up on the washington journal."

>> campaign 2016 continues on tuesday, april 5 with the wisconsin primary. live coverage begins tuesday night at 9:00 eastern. tune in for complete election results. candidate speeches and viewer reaction. taking you on the road to the white house on c-span, c-span adio and c-span.org. >> the media teach us that democrats and republicans are supposed to be at odds with each other and i think that people need to recognize that we need to be respectful towards each other and we need to understand that senators are respectful towards each other and that will be more conducive to getting real policy done instead of just acrimony and vitriol. >> the truth is these people we see on television, on c-span, are real people, you know. when we saw president obama, perhaps the thing that most stood out to me was he had bags under his eyes. he's tired. he's a real person dealing with

real things. and so i thought that that was perhaps the most interesting. >> sunday night on q&a, top high school students from around the country attending the 54th annual u.s. senate youth program talk to us about their experience in the leadership program and their plans for the future. the students met with members of the executive, judicial and legislative branches of government and military and media representatives. >> "washington journal" journalist came to talk to us and i really loved the insight he gave us about being kind of the outside source, you know, reporting back to us and the electorate about what's going on with our government. ruth was the most inspirational person we've met this week. i either want to be in the legal profession or possibly a senator. >> and i understand the need for bipartisanship at times but i also think it's important that politicians to be to washington or go to their state capital

with their eyes on the goal and they're determined to meet that goal instead of sacrificing it. >> we need to get back to have constructive discourse like the one i have here. get back to respecting all americans no matter what their backgrounds and making this country a more respectful place. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's q&a. "washington journal" continues. host: and for a discussion on the media and the role it's playing on the campaign, we welcome jim warren. mr. warren, it's been great to have you here, sir. it began on monday with president obama speaking at an award ceremony for syracuse ceremony. here's president obama speaking at that event talking about the future of journalism. i want to get your thoughts.

palm: as guy into my last -- president obama: as i go into my last year, i spent a lot of time reflecting on how this system, how this crazy notion of self-government works. how can we make it work? and this is as important to making it work as anything. people getting information that they can trust and that has substance and evidence and facts and truth behind it. and in an era in which attention spans are short, it is going to be hard because you're going to have to figure out ways to make it more entertaining. and you're going to have to be more creative, not less. because if you just do great reporting and nobody reads it,

that doesn't do you any good either. but 10, 20, 50 years from now, nobody seeking to understand our age is going to be searching the tweets that got the most retweets or the most that -- post that got the most likes. they'll look for the kind of reporting, the smartest investigative journalism that told our story. and lifted up the contradictions in our societies. and ask the hard questions. and force people to see the truth even when it was uncomfortable. host: jim warren hearing that what, do you make of that assessment of the future of political reporting in this country? guest: oh, it's rich, fascinating pure obama and on this night, a guy who is often the smartest guy in the room was not necessarily even as he is

pandering to a media audience at a dinner that was in honor of a great, late "new york times" reporter, ron bin toner who in fact had covered him for a period in his first presidential campaign. and it's a dinner put on by a school communications at syracuse university. he talked about some of the great roles that we all play in a democracy, juxtaposing it was those countries which don't have a free press. but then i think the heart of it, sort of segued into a lot of his personal growsing about the media which is a fairly conventional source. he's got a bug up his butt about the presidential campaign and what he thinks is an overly passive coverage of the campaign

and a lot of the errors that have been made. you can infer he's talking about the republican side and in particular, about donald trump and his belief that journalists have not been as rigorous in fact checking the candidates as they might be. he ends on a seemingly upbeat note about that passage there at the end about and whatever it is, how many years down the road. he doesn't think that people trying to figure out what's going on in the country are the -- or the society are going to be infatuated with tweets or how many likes things they've got and all that. that's sort of the notion that's going to take the essence of the oscar movie "spotlight" about the "boston globe" and we're oing to have globe-like, spotlight teams operating on

steroids from c-span to "the new york daily news" to the west coast to small operations in small and midsize cities. and that may be the business model that are now seeming to be crumbling and that in a fashion given way to some of the journalism he doesn't like will somehow turn around. i think that was not the strongest part of his speech. i think questions were raised about where we're going in the american media world. he stayed away from a really significant political dynamic that we all know is underway as the source of discussion on c-span all the time and these are these gigantic "politico" expenditures that are now out there in each campaign, partly as a result of the citizens of the united supreme court

decision. and in many ways, making the media less and less relevant when you've got campaigns who don't need us to get out their message. they can get it out by circumventing us. and that's something that the president's speech did not touch at all. host: he talked a lot about the desire of people to find truth and sourcing in their stories that they want to go back and see the stories that lifted up the inconsistency on the campaign trail. do you think in an age of twitter and in an age of facebook and snapchat that fact checking matters as much this cycle? guest: well, i mean, i think there's some fascinating inconsistencies playing out. i think on one hand, one does see a thrust, particularly among mainstream media. and with places like, you know, c-span in the four also are trying to do old-fashioned fact

checking. this is not new stuff as i'm reminded of a great journalist, eric enberg as release from cbs noted, it was 1992 campaign that eric had a regular feed on the "cbs evening news" when people were still watching the evening newscast. and i think it was called "reality check." and it was all about fact checking. and he did that for years and years and years, called politicians on statements that he thought were errant or outright lies and had a pretty big platform there at what was the number one broadcast news network. nd then you have the rise of polita fact and on the washington news including pants on fire throwing the folks on public office to then make

decorations that they -- declarations that they find to be errant. there's a dichotomy between a lot of those declarations and they are declarations that are coming from organizations that are growing around the world. if you look at the pointer -- point err.org website, you'll yee a tremendous about of rowing that we do. there's no doubt you're going to have an increasing amount of this, but is it going to make a difference to people to do the core donald trump supporters care that he's been caught in a whole bunch of lies during this

campaign? so far, it doesn't seem that that's the case although maybe something has happened this week with trump and that rather feisty one-on-one town hall session he had with chris matthews and trump getting all bollocksed up on the issue of women and abortions. does that prestage some news scrutiny of trump if does that prestage some new image of trump as someone who has a tenuous hold on the truth and is willing to say anything and is not well founded in his opinions on rather major public policies of the day? i don't know, john. we sort of left him for dead a few times in the last seven, eight, nine months. there was a day last july or august. i was up in northern michigan and he made his comment about john mccain not being a hero and

i thought that was it for him and then he made those comments about the arabs and on the day 9/11 and on the arabs cheering and i thought that was we are looking at the storylines this week when it comes to media coverage of campaign 2016. warrw ise here ton for you. frank, good morning. caller: i want to make a comment with regard to the campaign manager issue with donald trump. he see that,e -- especially in the liberal media, they never use the word, "alleged." that is concerning. seems that everyone has become judge and jury as to what the

situation is. that iecause of that tha find it delusional with the situation with the media. i think the media has responsibility to insist on making it an alleged situation, whether -- rather than making a judge and jury. host: i will let you weigh in on the incident with the journalist, formerly from breitbart. that one incident, which is not been played ad nauseam throughout the cable universe, thereand days, and days -- is a point to be made, yes, we should talk about alleged, i thinkthan a charge --

misdemeanor battery. you also have your eyes and video, and you can look at, and just as notable as the frustration the caller has, that he has not heard. folks on the left qualifying the matter by calling it alleged, it is just as noble seeing non the right evil, saying no evil. i saw an interview with sean on.ity that went on and this was one that mr. trump agreed to be on camera, rather than just phoning in from the golf course, maybe the shower. here he was on camera, they kept showing it. sean hannity pledged to the viewers that he had watched this more than 100 times that day, he could not see anything, anything. look at the tape great something happens.

pulledan was jostled, away. akin tos a cane -- ali trying to knock the heck out of someone, no, but it is in the context of roughing up of spectators at trunk gatherings -- trump gatherings. there are clearly two sides to this. something went on there, the video shows. there are obviously some ideological front lines being drawn here. host: let's head to the line for democrats, henry is waiting in michigan. good morning. caller: good morning. , in thethe president opening film clip that you showed, does have an ax to grind, particularly given the dearth of resources that it seems the corporate media is now

putting into its investigative everybody seemingly getting their feeds from one source or another. ap or reuters. the major cable networks especially seem to all be focused on the same story, the same day, the same time, with the same shots. it seems that there is a coordinated effort by the corporate media to drive a narrative. i will give you a great case in point. how everybody at the beginning of this campaign season focused in on donald trump. every speech he gave, he was focused on. the other candidates were given shortchange. point of thehe integrity of the media, and the

steering of narratives that the media tends to engage in is very important. for you to characterize it as the president has something up and antt and then ask -- ax to grind. well, the media is for the state, the government. host: what is your response? guest: there is criticism to make of what might seem to be vaguely uniform coverage. i find it more notable for other reasons. i find the amazing volume of political coverage this campaign a feast for political junkies. the number times all the toworks are going live t variou event, and, in doing so, showing their own -- in some cases, ideological inclinations.

msnbc more likely to go to new york to see hillary clinton, and fox more inclined to get john kasich, ted cruz, or trump somewhere. there wasem realize -- a great story here about the play out. there was a commercial business. one should realize, this stuff incovered in similar ways other countries. this is not the only country where commercial networks make money off of campaigns in this fashion. it is the only country in which they make money off the town halls and debates. no surprise they should be marketing them in the aggressive .ays that they have i'm not surprised at all. you might also remember, if you go back to the beginning of this, say last summer, how long headed we have been. it is not only tv guide, it is the newsprint guide.

at the beginning, there was a theme about jeb bush -- correct me if i'm wrong -- he was going to be the guy. themes aboutere wisconsin governor scott walker. he was going to be all-powerful. donald trump was seen as this comedic clownish sideshow. host: was the media dismissive of the candidate donald trump, or they have been dismissive of trump voters and supporters? guest: i think there is a mix of those. been an, the latter has unfortunate repercussion of this, focusing on the voters as ,omehow errant and ignorant when they should be focusing more on the candidates. early on, there was a trim this , and aof attention given disproportionate amount of

campaign coverage given on tv to asmp, and pulling, even people did not think he would be able to pull it off. there was a lot of focus on how he would be doing in the polls. that took a little bit of mobile the fall, andn coverage when down a little bit, even though he was still the primary focus. not all news coverage, per se, but donald trump was dominating news coverage the local newspaper, or cable television, but getting clearly most of the attention, when it came to the campaign itself. then, we went into -- something that nate silver noted the other day and a very, very long -- did i say very long? rhythmng piece about the of the campaign coverage so far, and how somehow in the past few months, we went from a lull with

trump to a lot of craziness of his, and a lot of unequivocal, very provocative declarations four,egan to come to the and get a lot of attention, and have a can once again dominate the scene. host: we definitely don't have a lull in callers for you. let's get to them. caller: i think it is rich the president is complaining about themedia not vetting candidates this time around. i consider him to be one of the tted unvented -- candidates in my lifetime. on november 1, 2008, charlie rose and tom brokaw were on a

pbs show, and they spent five minutes marveling about how little they actually knew about president obama. of course, this was certainly less than one week prior to the election. i do believe he was not vetted, and the fact he would make these comments and criticisms just reflects how untruthful he is. oft: on the vetting president obama versus the candidates of the cycle? guest: i think pretty substantial. at the time, he had been an illinois legislator. he had a long history there that was,asily dissected, and at the time. you may remember, he ran for united states congress here on the southside of chicago. just imagine. he ran for congress, and got shellacked, absolutely

shellacked by congress here is some in his family, including michelle, thought he should give it all up. he decided to get back in the game, and try for senate, and won a remarkable contest. he announced no, he was not as well-known as some others, not even as close as hillary clinton, who was the clear front n.nner back the very quickly, a whole lot of vetting was done, and people knew as much about him, as one could. he has a pretty vivid track record, and a lot of public decisions, which is something that donald trump does not have. host: it looks chilly in chicago, where jim warren is us.ing

he is taking your calls and questions for about the next 15-20 minutes. we will stay in chicago where alan is calling in on the line for democrats. go ahead. caller: good morning. if i could just have a minute, i have media credits, great education, by the way. guest: do you have any extra tickets to the final four? i don't care about your media credits. you have tickets to the final four? caller: i came out of the pr program. i have done campaign work. i get it. i've done this for 25 years. let's be clear on something. the decline of conservative crit or clarified in "good night, good luck." pew did research that fox news viewers are less informed than people who watch no tv news, and positions become solidified so the decline of the conservative movement, and the republican toty is directly correlated roger ayres. host: your thoughts on the role of fox news and the media echo chambers that people who watch fox only watch fox and people who watch msnbc only watch and this -- msnbc. guest: i think it is actually incorrect. , by businessdies professors, which did a very

university of chicago oftistical driven analysis viewing patterns a few years ago, and news consumption patterns in general. among the things they found is an interesting overlap. there is no shortage of new york times viewers, self-appointed liberals, who check in on fox news because they are curious as to what the other side is saying. and vice a versa with fox folks, wanting to check out msnbc, or cnn. it is not quite as polarized as one might think. has the reality that, for most americans, not folks who are activist types, who are listening to c-span, guests, hosts on c-span, there is a world of folks getting their news from pretty vanilla, neutral sources.

all of those folks are getting news from local television. we tend to focus on the big national stuff, but most people are getting their stuff in a pretty neutral form, generated, in many cases, from the associate press -- associated press. i think it is a misnomer to say we all live in ideological echo chambers, where we are just talking to like-minded people. that is not to say that fox has not been absolutely brilliant, and had a huge impact on the cable universe, for a lot of reasons. look at the ratings they get. they are rather impressive. they still pale, by comparison, to the ratings of, say, the three evening newscast, even though they are seemingly in decline.

a lot of folks are still getting their stuff elsewhere. there is a whole other area that people could go into about david mind, saw the his light, and is now a big hillary clinton supporter. unifiedre is a somewhat amalgam of forces out there. some of it may be traced to the coming of talk radio in the 1980's, and the success of rush limbaugh, the coming of fox news, where you did have these sources that were playing on a similar ideological page, and has had a huge impact. that all of america is looking at them, to say that is their only source of news, to say that the altar the public agenda, and legislative agendas

all over the country, i think would be giving them more credit than they deserve. the poll from pew research this islier this year, the percentage of adults who responded to this poll by pew about where they learned about the 2016 present election. said television, including 57% said local news, 54% said cable news, 49% said national nightly network tv shows. 25% said they heard about it from late-night comedy shows. said radio. newspapers, local daily newspapers, 29% said they learned from it. 23% said they heard -- got the information in the past week before the survey. let's go then nina in florida, a republican. you are on.

caller: i have a comment about the caller before mark that said donald trump was on tv all the time, and the media covered him. i remember eight years ago, and four years ago, president obama was also covered very heavily by the media, and other candidates did not get covered as much. it kind of works both ways. also, i watched all of the cable channels, whether it is fox, cnn, msnbc. i believe anderson cooper thatnted the other night he has asked all of the presence of candidates to phone into a show -- his show every morning. mr. trump is the only one who called, no one else will call to do interviews with him. i don't know if it is because they are not wanting to answer the questions, or what. that is my comments. thank you. host: do you want to weigh in on

that? guest: it is very interesting, the remission that the caller looks at multiple sources of news. distinctpite having a ideological view, she is checking other things out. i think that is reality. i think it is one that contravenes our notion of people in echo chambers. on the business of calling in, there is no comparison between obama in 2008 and trump coverage of these days. he hassive amount gotten, compared to other candidates has sort of canned the question. the willingness to have him on at any time is something that others did not want. in the eyes of bookers, producers, and hosts, he is magnetic, maybe radioactive, but

he makes news all the time. even lying in bed at 7:00 in the morning, as he did yesterday -- i think yesterday morning, maybe two mornings ago on the today show -- absolutely steam rolling on the subject of -- i think it was abortion remarks from the day before. host: you have said his interview with chris matthews was the example of when the reporter did not allow themselves to be steamrolled. guest: that was interesting. if you are long-term watcher of chris matthews, who has had a tremendous career. he became a columnist based in washington for the san francisco examiner, and became a guest on lots of shows, and then got himself his own cable gig, and

turned it into something very potent on msnbc with hardball -- if you have watched him, you know his modus operandi. it is exhausting. i have been on the dozens and dozens of times. chris will ask questions that he thinks he is the best at answering. he may cut you off. he may make clear that he thinks you are wrong. he may have go you a bit. he may show a little bit of intellectual disdain. it is interesting. other night, although those factors that can frustrate one a little bit -- either of you are, or a guest on the show, seem to fit the moment perfectly when dealing with donald trump. looking at the way they went after him, somewhat firmly, that gently, opposed to the town hall

hours later, when he was cutting off trump midsentence. first it was that 3-4 minute on abortion, where he pinned him down, showed inconsistencies, and got personal showing his own views towards abortion. disarray and donald trump in a way that he had not been before. ther this, it was interrogation of 5-6 points, and some of them had to do with the refrain that he is going to negotiate this, that, and if he does not like the deal, he will walk away. boxed him in on that thing, you will walk away from the saudis, the iranians, these guys, nato -- that's crazy, what are we going to be left with? it was almost as if the schoolyard bully, namely trump,

was facing another bully, and did not know how to deal with it. it was almost a little bit of trepidation in his eyes. i came away thinking this was a performance by chris matthews. is that going to lead to everybody trying to do their matthews impersonation? i'm not sure. to pull that off, you have to have a certain knowledge of history, and in this case, he did, on a couple of issues, particularly the role of the church and abortion. i thought it was some of the most effective television, not just from a theatrical standpoint, but from a .ubstantive standpoint no surprises, it made a whole lot of news. bullet stick? we have been asking the about forous miscues from trump many months. we will see. i don't know. host: time for a couple more

calls. catherine, alabama, democrat. caller: i would like to make my point about hillary. first, i must say that chris matthews did excellent job. he is an excellent interviewer. it was great. hillary. let's get to the situation. all of these republican people, y'all are not talking about what they are legislating really behind the scenes. i'm not a media person, some sorry -- so i am sorry. it is time we have a female take the helm of the country. hillary is a very qualified person who cares about the country. i'm tired of hearing her be demonized. -- ne follows back and says they make all these insinuations, drum up all this stuff, and pinocchio puts out a

few things that no one hears about. they make everyone think that she has done this or that, and there are no facts. the benghazi thing, it was disgusting, i'm telling you. and sad that the news media does not talk about how much republicans waste our money pandering to get these votes against obamacare and all of these issues. , they knowtake votes they will not pass. they are wasting taxpayer money. you don't bring this up. you don't bring up the fact that ted cruz wants to outlaw birth control. give me a break. we have to get serious. the other side, you must discuss issues. women, we deserve our rights.

i'm in my 60's. i remember, my first husband fought in vietnam from the worst time, issues. women, 1969. i watched my friends die. these guys eat their chest -- beat their chests, and talk terrible. host: mike is in houston, texas, a republican. go ahead. i remember, in 19 a six, covering steve forbes. steve forbes brought up the idea of a flat tax. instead of reporting on it, it was talked about as a wacky idea . what is lacking -- wackier? page tax code or a flat tax? secondly, i don't think ted cruz has ever proposed outlawing contraceptives. that is a silly idea.

president obama, on the other hand, has never really been vetted properly. who vetted him? chicago journalists? the only party that exists in chicago is the democrats. host: on hillary being demonized, and also journalists -- guest: good to see that, even on a saturday morning, c-span elicits viewers of passion and engagement. think -- thank you guys. i suspect you do that rare act every morning, and look at an american newspaper. please, i hope you do. we are in trouble. obviously,ary stuff, we know going into this race, there is a certain feeling of diehard hillary supporters. there is also a feeling -- ceiling of diehard hillary

haters. the question is whether she can get enough of the undecided to get over the hump to be the nominee. she has been in our lives for so long, there are such deep-seated feelings about her. the whole matter of trust, lack , in some ways, symbolized by this dispute that even those of us following it, are unclear about the relative rmity.dy -- no you have folks on fox who believe there will be a criminal indictment against her. it is hard for me to believe that will happen. i have looked at the time of the e-mails, and the best story that one can find is about robert harrow, and hope i got it right, from "washington post" the other

day. i think it appeared last sunday or monday. it is the full tale of the e-mails. it got one thing wrong. it said there was something like 150 fbi agents on the case. a letter -- they later corrected it and said it was less. if you want to know the history of the mills, to pull up that do pull up that piece. as far as president obama not being vetted, i don't think that is the case. host: we only have a minute left. what is the line between covering a story? guest: in the age when there is pressure to be quicker and more provocative, you do have that. you have more folks giving opinions out there than you did in the past. at the same time, i might to just this campaign shows you have more high-quality information that is out there

from a range of different entities. without broad-based begin about the day-to-day quality of the , buzz feed,, vice gawker, politico, or slate, there are a lot of terrific online operations giving the old tried-and-true broadcast guys a run for their money. host: when you wake up in the morning, what are the first new sources you check? guest: before i go to bed, i look at 20-25. when i wake up in the morning, a look at 10-15. host: are they always the same? guest: no, they are not. maybe "washington post," "new york times," "wall street journal." then, i am all over the place. i look at left-wing bloggers, right-wing bloggers, small regional newspapers, the new by outside enriched

, buzz feed,ike vice gawker. they are doing some very good work. there is no doubt in my mind that there is more unadulterated junk out there on any given moment, but also much greater quality than it has been -- there has been in the past, and era when there were mostly goingmales on the bus through new hampshire in the 1950's and 1960's that may have concluded "the chicago tribune," certainly, "the washington post" and "the new york times." we were the gatekeepers of how americans received their coverage. he may have set the agenda by the story that he wrote that.

6-7 hours after he wrote it. the everything is out in air. you are sending video live, tweeting live, and it is a generation of very sharp people doing very good work. a junkie,e junky -- look at the folks they have out every single day covering virtually every single appearance, which would have be fiveeard of 20-to years ago. i think the smart political consumer is living in a bit of a golden age of political reporting right now, when it comes to the quantity of stuff out there. that is not to say we don't get wrong,terribly terribly and donald trump will be the source of thousands of masters thesis, and maybe doctoral about in the years ahead how we so totally screwed up the

coverage of donald trump, and not seeing him coming. that said, people will be doing those analyses, and the primary work, will be finding a lot of stuff out there from a range of workenues that was solid -- stuff that journalists host: follow them on twitter. thank you so much for your time. guest: my pleasure. host: of next, kate davidson will be here. right now, the march job numbers released yesterday, that is coming up in just a minute. first, our guest on "newsmakers" this week was david mcintosh. his club spent a million dollars on anti-trump adds.

here is david mcintosh looking at the strategy after wisconsin. you can catch the full interview tomorrow at 10:00 and 6:00. [video clip] >> top of through the plans. -- talk us through the plans. >> new york is next, then several east coast states. we are looking on new york to develop a strategy. i think the margin is so large, trump is likely to win, but keeping him below 50%, ted cruz or john kasich could pick up their first congressional in all theand w delegates there. essentially, we are in the delicaegatease -- phase.

>> you anticipate you will spend some money in new york -- trying to decide how much. >> how much, where, how to do it. we're also mapping out california. that is another huge, important state. it is the split winner take all, statewide rally, and congressional districts beneath it. my home state is on the way. in theas had a lead past. some polling i saw show that he and ted cruz are net connect. that is an opportunity for ted cruz to take winner take all. > can you explain why the> club for growth does not like donald trump's candidacy? >> thank you. we looked at all of the candidates, the major ones the paper and data 5-10 page on the economic records, where are they on taxes, government

spending, regulation, free trade, school choice. many of the candidates had sterling records. ted cruz, marco rubio were at the top. then looked at trump, when we realized he was a serious candidate. he has not voted on things, but for 20 years, has spoken out on a lot of policy matters. he proposed a one point the largest tax increase ever. >> "washington journal" continues. host: for our last half hour, we're joined by kate davidson of "the wall street journal" to talk about the jobs numbers released yesterday. here are some headlines about those numbers. robusts point to economy." fast-paceng keeps up

." "economy chugs on despite fears." was this good news all around? guest: the good news is it looks like the economy in the u.s. is doing well, despite a lot of fears about what is happening in the rest of the world. generally, policymakers and economists look at the labor market as a broad sign of the health of the economy. the numbers are good. employees -- the unemployment a tiny bit, but that is a reflection of more people looking for work, coming back to the labor force. that is a sign that people feel good about the prospect of getting a job. maybe they had stopped looking, but they are coming back. that is a good sign, actually.

host: we do these segments each month, after the jobs reports are released. one of the big stories last month was on wages, and a drop off a little bit wages. this month, hourly wages increased seven cents and are up year.ver the past why did that switch happen? guest: there is a little bit of volatility. once a month is normal. it is the prize over the past year that is assigned the overall things are moving in the right direction. it is a little below we saw in december. some economists said it might have been a little bit of an anomaly. generally speaking, which growth is good. host: if you want to join the conversation in the last 20 minutes, or so, phone lines are regional in the segment. if you are in the eastern central united states, it is (202) 748-8000.

mountain or pacific, (202) 748-8001. you also cover the federal reserve for the wall street journal. how is the fed interpreting these numbers? what are they going to focus on in this report? what this means for the fed is a little room to maneuver. he raised rates for the first time in a little more than a decade. there are a little worried, or there is uncertainty about what is going on in the rest of the world. this gives them some comfort that the u.s. economy is doing well. when they look at wage growth, it is not as fast that they have to worry about inflation, inflation going up to click the -- quickly. this gives them some flexibility, some room to maneuver. people expect they may raise

rates in june. they have a meeting in a few weeks. it is looking that this is not so progressed -- robust that they should get a move on. host: there is a front page on hourlye growth average earnings. this is from 2012. the black line that goes through is the six-month average. you can see what we are talking about when we talk about the wage growth, not a robust wage someh that has caused concern to you mentioned the fed is watching what is going on overseas. concerns about china, the eu, japan. is there another jobs report showing 200,000 plus jobs added last month. average is a little over to a new thousand for the last three months. how has the u.s. been able to defy what is going on overseas? guest: it is a little bit of an

open question. one thing we talk about in the story is the fact that it is really american consumers and households that are keeping .hings going, chugging along they are still spending, buying new cars. interest rates have helped households buy new homes. that helps the construction sector. it is a very strong domestic economy. oil prices have been so low, so that has led to cheaper gasoline. economists thought they would see a bump in spending. that has not translated as much as people thought, but it has .elped things chug along that has insulated the u.s. from factors around the world. host: again, kate davidson here to take your questions or comments on the latest jobs report. the unemployment rate ticking up to 5% in march.

the first caller is up, steve in pennsylvania. good morning. caller: good morning. job, i got laid off march 4. we were 1500 people who lost our jobs, good paying jobs. the jobs were transferred to texas. we lost our jobs. people down there and making way less than we are. host: what kind of jobs caller:? manufacturing. they don't necessarily go overseas. they go to w right to work states. we lost 1500 so far. they are planning on maybe shutting the plant down eventually. they say they are not now, but it looks that way.

i'm out in the job market looking around. and looking at jobs from $12 an hour to $20 an hour. host: what were you making? from $30-30here nine dollars per hour. if that is improvement, i'm glad that is what you consider improvement. you are driven up just to be driven write down again -- right down again. host: manufacturing, one area that did not see improvements. hear aboutside to your job loss. it is true there are layoffs happening. there are actually sectors that have been -- absolutely sectors that have been hard hit. lastacturing shed jobs month. mining, logging, including energy firms, they are also being hit. chart on page two

of "wall street journal" today, talking about the sectors that overseen gains and losses the past 12 months, and in the most recent jobs report. if you want to check it out, there. freddie is up next in kentucky. good morning. are you with us this morning? he stepped away from his phone. stay by your phone, we will go to jason and washington, d.c. caller: these job numbers, the thing that stands out to me is the guy making $80,000 per year is now working at mcdonald's. the job numbers have not changed. meediean household income, has that changed? guest: i don't have those numbers off the top of my head at. th overall, we have seen a lot of reports about -- there are a lot

of people in this economy who are not -- who feel like they are not better off than they were prior to the recession. we have seen that wage growth has not recovered in a lot of areas. you mentioned the person making $80,000 and then goes to work at mcdonald's. we hear about people who have to take on part-time jobs for economic reasons. we know those numbers are stubbornly high. they have come down, but the number of workers who are discouraged, or stuck in part-time jobs is almost 10%. that is definitely something that people are struggling with. host: a few more numbers from the report. the total number of unemployed. 8 million. among the unemployed, 20% have been jobless for 27 weeks or more. over the past three month, jobs gained on average jordan 9000 200,000 jobs.

joblessness, what should we be looking for in the number? is it better than where we were this time last year? guest: it is. if you there with me, i will back. where we were last year was up around -- i want to say 10%. it has now fallen almost a full percentage point from one year ago. believe 9.7%wn, i in this report. we have a lot of different measures. this is in addition to the headline number of 5%. this other one is around 9.7%. host: when you get these reports on a monthly basis, there is the top number, and the total jobs gained or lost. when you dig deeper, what most interests you, as a reporter who studies this on a monthly basis?

guest: we are very much looking at the wage numbers. we know that is something that the fed is looking at. one thing they talk about a slack.- is slack means how much time we have before inflation starts to pick up. that is the typical cycle that we see happen. unemployment rate, the headline number is quite low. said -- fed officials believe it could move lower, and lower than it has been before wages pick up. that has to do with the fact that there are a lot of long-term unemployed people. is the demographics? older people who have decided maybe they lost their job, and they will not look for a job anymore, or perhaps those people -- they are not looking for

work, but that is because they feel they cannot find a job, if things pick up, maybe they will come back to the labor force. it is a bit of a mystery. host: again, the phone lights, if you have questions or comments about the monthly jobs report, or your take on the jobs situation in your part of america -- eastern and central, (202) 748-8000. not in the pacific, (202) 748-8001. keith is up next. i just bread "the wall street journal," i guess you are .he one who wrote it anyway, anyone with a head the windows of 5% is not the rate. because of the health-care law, people don't want to hire people over 30 hours per week.

guest: out of the 215,000 jobs, i don't know the actual number is part-time out of that. i can tell you that the higher percentage point i was talking about earlier includes part-time workers. the headline unemployment rate is 5%. if you include people who are in they may wants -- part-time jobs, but it also includes people stuffed in a -- stuck in part-time jobs. about aell above 10% year ago. it has come down. know, there was a thought for a while, as you said, a lot of people were -- full-time jobs were getting replaced by part-time jobs. we know that has even out, and a lot of the growth has been full-time job as well. it is a mix of factors. that is where things stand now. host: luis is up next in ohio.

caller: good morning. guest: good morning. is where i live, i don't know if anybody unless it is the car industry making the money that you are speaking about. my daughter, she has been at a place for 14 years, give or take a few months. she makes less now than she did when she started because of obamacare, she had to put her husband on her insurance. pede, last month, they up it. she came home, and said, mom, i don't make as much as they did when i started, and she has a hard job. for the poor person, it does not seem like things are improving any. i live on social security, and i

just make it month-to-month. i will say, it used to be poor, middle, and bridge. nowadays poor and rich. i'm not begrudging them. if they got it on his, more power to them. ar the honest person, it is struggle. obamacare, i know a lot of people think it has done wonders, but for the poor person, it has not. it is give-and-take. when you take medicaid to help , and one of your spouse has passed, they are right there to put a lien on the house, and get the money back however they can get it. host: i will let k davidson talk about some of those issues that you bring up. bitt: i will talk a little

about inflation. it's an important point. we talk about wages, we have to look at how quickly our prices rising. purchasingines power. arewill feel like things worse off. inflation has been tepid. prices are not rising much. that is a concern for the said -- the fed. one thing going up his health care costs. the cost of health care absolutely has grown. a little separate from that, employee premiums are rising because of obamacare. it is a valid concern. i think that that is something that the fed is keeping in mind, where arthur price pressures. another thing that has gotten .ore expensive is rent

that has weighed on people and their feelings of am i better off or not. host: let's go to lisa in south carolina. good morning. you are on. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. my comments are on the numbers. i'm not sure if i believe the numbers. i work in health services. inhave a lot of hospitals georgia, especially rural hospitals. hot those are7900 being closed also in texas. to do thosee going people and their jobs, they will be outsourced in major hospitals, if they're willing to move away from the areas. creationhere is no job

. job translation -- i'm not really sure how to say it. there are more people losing their jobs than actually creating jobs. statistics about the being false because i can see people losing their jobs. i have a neighbor that has to have three jobs in order to cover expenses. host: i will have case davidson howate davidson talk about the department of labor puts these numbers together. in your specific sector, health services, it is lumped with education. according to the most recent jobs figures, there was an increase in those sectors. when someone is saying, and seeing these jobs in my region disappear, explain how the bureau of labor statistics puts these together guest:.

guest:the most important thing to remember is these are national figures. this is an aggregate, looking at the entire country. is obsolete possible that you are jobs in your state or region going away, and being added elsewhere. when the department of labor compiles these, they are taking a very broad view. you mentioned something that is a little bit sec -- separate, which is people working multiple jobs. we know that is happening, and is different. report, also a weekly proxy for layoffs, called the jobless claims report. it is how many people filed each week for unemployment insurance. at a historically low level. we know every week people file these claims, so there are people being laid off, but it is a very small amount.

broadly, that suggests that the labor force is healthy. even though in your state and city, you are seeing people lose their jobs. there will be job losses in a very healthy economy too. it will happen. host: time for a couple more jobs. harvey is in nevada. wonder, when they give the labor reports, why they never include the fact that we stimuli inremendous this country. the stimuli is very extensive great if not for the stimuli, the jock patienc -- job creation would be entirely different. no comments on how long the stimuli will last, whether it will go up. the biggest is federal, state, and local debt. that is going up very fast now. it gives us of addiction of the

-- a fictitious th low cost of business. that cannot last forever. when we talk about the health of the economy, we must i can eyes the fact that we have, more than just low interest rates. this cannot last forever. that was my comments. i think more people should talk about this. host: we will let kate davidson talk about it. it is interesting you bring that up. the economist think there is not enough fiscal stimulus, the government stimulus. has taken the fed tremendous action to millie economy. they have spoken publicly, pretty bluntly about the fact policy, lowy interest rates, and other programs, like bond buying, isch the fed has done, that

not enough. they have suggested that the government needs to do more. your comment certainly is a concern for some people, but it is at odds with the current thinking among the economic policymakers in the u.s. what is driving the economy, and whether we need more or less of it. twitter, "the only sector growing jobs is the public sector." can you talk about that? jobt: there has been growth, but the private sector makes up the bulk of hiring. road,as you look down the what is the next jobs report we should look for, especially with the federal reserve talking about possibly raising interest rates. what will be the next key piece of information that they will look for as they make these

decisions. guest: every month, we get these reports. we get the employment report, but there are tons of economic reports that come out. we get three separate reports, three or four on inflation alone. the fed focuses on one of them, the index of personal consumption expenditures. every jobs report is important. we will have another in june. they will all be important, but the one in june will be especially important. it will show whether we are on th ofcontinued pa strength. we will have two more books at wage growth, and what is happening there. again, stronger wage growth could suggest that inflation is starting to pick up. all of it together is informing the fed. fed officials have reiterated

over and over again that all of the data, that they are going to look very closely at all of the data to determine whether or not they move forward. there is no predetermined path. host: it is safe to say "the wall street journal will be calling -- following all of it. guest: all of it. for yournk you so much time this morning. one programming note. the top 21 document is from this cam's duty can -- student competition are airing during the month of april. the topic, what issues do you want the candidates to discuss during the 2016 presence of campaign. c-span received the most i injuries from the 12 years we have