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>> again, we are waiting for donald trump to hold a campaign event here in wisconsin. our camera at the central wisconsin and expo center in

, near the, wisconsin north central city of wausau, wisconsin. the primary in wisconsin this coming tuesday. republican presidential candidate donald trump to be accompanied by sarah palin, the former governor has been accompanying mr. trump on several campaigns events here in wisconsin today. we are waiting for donald trump to arrive. show youwait, we will a portion of today's washington journal and come back as soon as the candidate arrives. host: we are joined now by washington editor of the nation and deputy managing editor of the weekly standard. we start with a republican front runner. rank fors this week donald trump? >> it is definitely one of his worst weeks.

this is not looking good. late last night i am on twitter looking, and he had five different positions on abortion this week, which is a big issue in a republican primary often. everyone is focused on wisconsin, and he is down. focus was on donald trump as it always is, but this time not in a good way. a headline yesterday, donald trump's terrible, horrible, no good, bad week. donald trump's campaign manager was booked on a simple battery charge, walking back punishment for women who have abortions, poll numbers changing in wisconsin, what should donald trump be most concerned about this week? guest: we rarely see donald trump backtrack, and this week he did backtrack on his comments that women who have abortions should maybe be punished.

remember in the republican debates for this, he was saying some pretty nice things about planned parenthood. he maintained an antiabortion stance, but feels there is a vulnerability with women. his numbers with women are cratering in general election polls. it has only gotten worse since then. host: the latest polls out of wisconsin from this week, ted cruz 42%, donald trump 32%, john kasich 19%. another poll has ted cruz 38% to 37% over donald trump, and several other polls coming out showing shifts in wisconsin, so what is the storyline on wednesday if those goals are true and ted cruz wins wisconsin on tuesday? kelly: it does not meet donald trump is out, but it hurts his of atum and makes the idea

brokered or contested convention in july that much more likely. he's trying to bring out the big guns, sarah palin in wisconsin campaigning for him, but that one not be enough. it is not looking good for him. ted cruz does need to win this one to make it look more like donald trump will not be near the number of delegates he needs to have to have an easy shot in july. host: coming into tuesday, bernie sanders was polling, ahead in wisconsin, though not as much as some polls show ted cruz over donald trump, but bernie sanders raising $44 million in march, so what is the storyline on wednesday? this was always going to be one of bernie sanders best dates, a union state, progressive activists on the ground battle tested from the battle was scott walker over the years. with hight do well

african-american populations. berniefew weeks back, sanders campaign was looking at wisconsin. i think a narrow win in wisconsin will not get him the delegates he needs ultimately if you project down the road to catch her. host: weighing in on the democratic side, bernie sanders continuing to stick around. there have been a lot of storylines written about bernie sanders that he won't be able to catch hillary clinton, and yet he continues to stick around. being aisconsin progressive state, a lot of activism, what is interesting is all the focus. -- new not had a primary --k next for the democrats so this is a time when we have nothing but wisconsin going on, and it is a crucial moment. bernie sanders is behind it needs these delegates. theeeds them not just for

numbers but to convince the superdelegates that maybe they should give him a shot and not hillary. they are not bound to hillary. they can change their mind. att: 28 delegates elected convention tonight, unbound delegates, so your thoughts on the storyline coming out of tonight mr. wood:? ?r. wood kelly: there's just a few dozen unbound delegates, and these guys can go in and don't have to vote in the first round or second round for a specific candidate. they can vote for anyone they want. the new york times had a piece yesterday, the former advisor to ying thesemp san people might one arrived in

donald trump's plane or call from his wife. here for the be next 45 minutes talking campaign 2016. we will take your questions and comments. you can join us by calling in. we will start on that line for independents. tom, good morning. caller: donald trump admits he gave contributions to hillary, several democrats, and several republicans. 1970's, you remember peopleal we had where were making contributions and going to jail for it, and donald

trump actually admits that he was doing -- giving these donations to get favorable treatment, buying votes, buying , and everybody just ignores it like it is nothing, no big deal, everybody does it. -- also,odern-day app barack obama has brought in all these illegal aliens and given them drivers licenses and sign them up as voters, as democratic ships thed then people all over the united states to certain areas to pick up electoral votes, so no matter they will end up with all these electoral votes that will sway the election in a democratic favor, no matter how the american people vote.

it has come down to where the american people, individual votes, really don't make a bit of difference anymore. issues, immigration and passed campaign donations. the caller is right. donald trump has donated to various politicians on both bizarre iswhat is that he is managing to use it in his favor. this is why an outsider is needed to come in and shake things up and get rid of that kind of system, he says. it is bizarre that somebody so fond of using that system is the person we were going to trust to get rid of it, but he is using it in his favor. host: the immigration issue, and specifically the changing electorate as a result of immigration in recent years. george: what i think donald trump has understood perfectly as that there are few republican

moderates on immigration. when you look at the polls, big part of the party, 30%, identifies as moderate, and moderate on things you may not expect, climate change, choice, but on immigration, even those moderates, over 80% one it candidate who will get tough on immigration, so trump has understood this well. that's why you hear a lot of folks who would not be for such a hard guy getting behind donald trump. caller: a republican from texas. good morning. a republican from texas. good morning. caller: good morning. i think the news media has been unfair to donald trump. , and ier night, ted cruz think his real name is raphael, which they keep hidden, was on one of the tonight shows lied saw donald trump

in his rearview mirror that he would not know what pedal to push. they just let that go. it was just wonderful. ted cruz approved of the super that put out that slur against donald trump's wife, but nobody ever said it was ok, and donald trump is supposed to roll over and play dead and not get back at ted cruz about it. host: you're weighing in on this flap over the wives of the candidates being brought into the race. hard to imagine donald trump rolling over and playing dead on any issue. the caller was referring to an anti-trump super pac that put out an ad in utah. a racy picture of his wife for gq that she posed for nex and pointed out that

it would be the next first lady. ted cruz one utah and did well. donald trump went back on twitter and started talking about ted cruz his wife. this is a particularly ugly a election campaign, and just when you don't think it could get uglier, they start talking about what each person's wife looks like. it's disappointing. this is not helping donald trump with women either, going after ted cruz his wife. of these all storylines coming together. we will see how it plays out in wisconsin. the candidates looking forward to the primary state. an event,eras were at where ted cruz had this to say about the state's role in campaign 2016. sen. cruz: wisconsin is a battleground. , its eyes arentry

on the great state of wisconsin. men and womene here, you have a platform, you have a megaphone, we you are speaking not just for the state, but for the entire country. the 65 percent that5% who recognize o nominating donald trump is a train wreck. that is not fair to train wrecks. [laughter] [applause] sen. cruz: that nominating donald trump lx hillary clinton. -- elects mcclinton. she not only wins, she wins by a big margin. next presidenthe come the supreme court is lost for generation, the bill of rights is lost, and our kids are of debt, and we

stay in the stagnation that we have been in. int we are seeing happening wisconsin and all across the country is republicans are coming together and uniting behind this campaign. ted cruz saying that donald trump elects hillary clinton. why are republicans so sure about that? why so sure about that? george: if you look at the polls, and you're right, the polls are not written in stone, look atfact is if you how donald trump is doing with women, even republican women, about a month ago when liberals were looking at donald trump and in a general election and saying he's going to run hard on trade, make a big deal of hillary clinton's financial

backers, and the same formula that worked in the primary might work in the general if he turns out those white, republican, working-class voters, he might do well in ohio and pennsylvania. what we are seeing now is a plummeting of his support among working-class, white, republican women. for every man he is turning out, the wife or woman is saying i am not interested. the only thing i would say is that ted cruz says if you nominate donald trump than hillary clinton will win. ted cruz does not do that well against hillary clinton either. cruz is an extremely hard right guy that if donald trump did not exist, ted cruz would launch a thousand think pieces. he's not exactly a moderate. host: one of the maps that has come out looking ahead to the general election is from the university of virginia center for politics, a projection about a potential hillary clinton

donald trump matchup has hillary clinton winning that 347 electoral votes to 191 for donald trump. do you buy that math? different. race is in 2012, we kept hearing met romney -- mitt romney, and that's what greeted the momentum kind him to become the nominee. this year, we have ted cruz versus donald trump. neither are looking to do that well against hillary clinton, and no one is talking about finding something really electable. it is a totally different year. i can't figure out what is going on and why people aren't considering looking at those matchups. the polls -- yeah, it's far out, but it does not look good now and it looks worse and worse the closer we get. host: larry in north carolina,

line for democrats. good morning. caller: good morning. my question was about senator cruz. on ayou put your name legal document, are you supposed to use your real name? i was looking up ted cruz and i cannot find the ted cruz. i could find a raw feel crews roughly lda -- ra why does this matter to you so much? go somewhere and sign my name on a legal document, they tell me i have to put my name on a legal document. runictitious name, and not for president under the name bubblegum. you have to put your real name down, don't you? and is asking you about the law.

kelly: it is an interesting question. i can write a check to somebody named theodore and i can write it theodore or ted, and that guy can cash that check. we do have a little wiggle room. george: we have seen donald trump subtly trying to make ted cruz, he keeps saying he was born in canada, but some of the undercurrent about ted cruz's real name is that the other names is less american than ted. even a stalwart conservative like ted cruz, maybe they're suggesting is not quite american. pretty ugly. kelly: how he can be both hispanic and canadian, they will have a little trouble. naples, florida, republican. good morning. caller: i'm here to make a few comments. number one, some man before said the president did not have any

power. our president has exercised quite a bit of power, and i must a three ballot system with the justice, the congress, and the president. elections,general and truthfully there is a lot of dishonesty. sanders,about bernie who was in the congress for 25 years, i believe, did he accomplish anything in those 25 years or why are we even considering him? i want to also say that when donald trump got criticized for his manager pulling that lady off of him, i have been in this kind of crowds. apparently she was not so's to be pulling on trump to get his attention, because she wanted ask him something, but the manager had a perfect right to pull her back. he did not throw her to the ground as she said, so i think the press really overplayed

that. i also wanted to say that i think it is interesting that ted cruz did not really make any friends while he was in congress. i don't understand that. host: let's take a few of those before we go on. why are we considering bernie sanders? havee: a lot of people this idea of him as a liberal firebrand, which he is, but he got a fair amount done in congress. he worked with john mccain to do a reform of the veterans affairs system. there was a good p's in the new york times about how many amendments he passed, mainly in e theouse, but also thi senate. neither hillary clinton or bernie sanders will convince republicans if they still control congress to go along with their agenda. through public and parties not a colaround and say free

lege tuition or whatever. donald trump's campaign manager pulling michelle fields away from the candidate, eventually charged with simple assault. our viewers the incident where that happened, the videotape released by the hotel where that occurred. your thoughts on this incident? kelly: this has to be the most viewed video of the campaign. people are going into it, what happened exactly. there is no question she was bruised quite badly by the incident. is another reason why donald trump is tanking with women. allonly did he not at defend this reporter and say maybe this guy was too tough, but he started attacking her in hershe had a pen

hand, it could be a bomb. show our viewers what donald trump said in janesville, wisconsin. said -- i could read it to you. does anybody want to hear it? i want to be accurate. before she knew she was on tape, she said, i was jolted backwards. wish he jolted backwards? if she was, her face stayed the same. i was jolted backwards. someone grabbed me tightly by the arm and yanked me down. campaign managers aren't supposed to forcefully throw reporters to the ground. she never went to the ground. came -- he never even flinched. if somebody grabs you, even the bikers, if some of the grabs you, or punches you in little

bit, you are like -- the toughest guy, the toughest woman. look at her face. it is zero. they are going to destroy man's life? do you think this is a one-week story or a couple-of-days?story 2012,: you remember in the big scandal, the gaffe with mitt romney was when he was talking about hiring, he said he had binders full of women and everyone lost their collective minds. managerave a campaign being charged with assaulting a female reporter, among other aings, and it will be one-week story. the things that are sliding by and the way the atmosphere has changed around this campaign, there is no explanation for it. they will be writing books about this campaign for a long time. kelly: it should've been a one-day story. as soon as this came out, he should have apologized, the

campaign manager should have apologized. either they don't know how to do damage control or they are too stubborn to do damage control. this could have been dealt with in a day and they refused, and now were talking about this rather than substance of issues. host: hillary clinton's potential for indictment over her e-mail troubles, her server she had, you predict hillary clinton avoids indictment and is able to proceed and bernie sanders does not overtake her in delegates. fantasiese of the big and politics is hillary clinton will be indicted this summer. there is an extremely small chance of that. host: why do you think that? george: what she did, if anything, was something that no one else -- you look at what happened to david portray is who did something far worse, handling sensitive material off to let's say a personal friend. he took the lowest possible plea. you look at what hillary did,

which was less serious than him, it's hard to see where they charge her with anything come up to three in a highly charged campaign season. whether you are a democrat or republican, you're going to charge a presidential candidate, it has to be a clear wrongdoing. a lot of folks are fooling themselves into thinking she can't win whether it is a bernie sanders supporter or republican supporter. that is a mistake. host: do you agree? kelly: i do think the chances of an indictment are relatively low. as with david portray us, the judicial system has a lot of deference to people in power. they have to have a lot of guts to and a lot of is low and we willi think it see what happens. we have about a half hour left. host: if you want to check

weekly standard.com, you can check that out. and george, as well. donny is in bowling green kentucky, good morning. caller: i would like to say that the american people has really got it wrong. all these candidates, obama, they all are for the rich. i do not understand why the republican party hates obama so much, they make more money under him than anybody. hillary clinton, she will not be in data, crooks did not indict crooks. ted cruz, green eggs and ham. donald trump is playing the right card. it is not about black and white, it is about rich and poor. i am talking about the guys that billion, i mean, i think that america has got it

wrong. thank you. host: george, the race card in this election? kelly: this has been one of the most adjusting elections. george: i think what you see with the republican party, they are frankly becoming a party for the white and disenfranchised. these protests are happening on racial grounds. it is increasingly true that white people in america are feeling, some of them, feeling demographic pressure that they are becoming the minority. we knew that this would rock and change elections going forward, i do not know that anybody knew it would happen this quickly, but thinking about the implications, you think about what will happen in cleveland late this july and august. if some protests that we saw early in the season come to a big rally, tens of thousands of people protesting, that will be ugly. kelly: i think that the caller

has a good point, race has been part of this race, but the rich and poor, too. bernie sanders is having trouble getting african-american votes, we have seen that. and i think that his base is also a lot of disaffected whites, but different than the republicans looking to trump. there is an interesting divide on the democratic side, as well. it has been an interest in campaign to watch. it is bizarre that we are just finishing our first black president and the things seem like they have not gotten better in america between races, in some ways. it looks to get a little uglier. host: a republican, brenda. caller: good morning. i am voting for donald trump and thatnk that what i feel is

this has been turned into such a circus that even the important questions asked, it has been nothing but all of the throwing donald trump under the bus using anything they can to pin him down, instead of looking at the important issues and what needs to be looked at to better america. host: what are those important questions, if you had an opportunity to ask questions, what would you ask? caller: first of all, it would veterans needing jobs and being homeless. jobseneral public needing and being homeless. overseas instead of being brought back here. and health care and obamacare is

so ridiculous and prices have increased, i mean, people i know payingral that they were before that and what it is costing them now, and deductibles that they are costing each individual in the family are so high, it is not even make sense to have it. but, if they do not have it, they are find. -- fined. the thing with all of the muslims being here and the .hreat it has caused the other thing is, the racial division that has been created in the last seven years, the worst i have ever seen in my life. host: brenda, some of the issues she wants to hear more about,

the veterans issue, health care specifically, obamacare, immigration comes back into play. do you think that these have gotten a short look in this election? george: it is interesting to hear a trump supporter complain about a circus. donald trump has not really outlined clear positions on a lot of these things. on muslim immigration, he has outlined a very clear and i think terrible policy, he wants to end it. that is straightforward, but what is his job policy, it is hard to say. for all the immediate attention he has gone and the words that have come from his mouth, we do not know what that is. i think it is hard to say. at her core, we hear a lot of why this election is so important. for a lot of people, things are not going well. 90% of the country has not gotten a raise in about 10 years, so that will upset the election and it will make it

unpredictable. george: i could not agree more. kelly: i cannot agree more. complaining about a circus, for me, that is the reason it is a circus, the front runner is it someone who refuses to talk about policy but have we ever heard -- policy. have we ever heard obamacare come out of his mouth? care system single before he was against it. this is a really tough time for americans. racehis seems to be the that is least likely to bring forward a real discussion of the issues and what we might do to turn things around. we hear about the conservatives and republicans who say that they will never vote for donald trump. they ask, couldn't moderate

conservatives more logically go toward john kasich? do you agree that never donald trump means ted cruz? kelly: i do not think so. host: are you a donald trump person, or a ted cruz person? kelly: i like to think that i am outside the fray because i am from canada, and i can look at things with a detached eye. when is the last time we have seen a race where the front runner actually, there is in front runner saying -- never. ted cruz looks to be the guy who has the best trout -- opportunity to beat donald trump. it would ever think that the establishment would come out for ted cruz. that is why marco rubio has been making moves to keep delegates bound to him. interesting things happening in the background, there are some

worries that ted cruz is unlikable as trump and people are looking to get somebody more moderate and a little more appealing to women and minorities. and i think that we are going to see some stuff going on in the background. host: we will go to a color -- a caller, ken from connecticut. caller: i am a sanders supported. sanders overgo for clinton, and the reason why, i believe that there is a lot of things, saying that is going against -- clinton against child. there is a race going on and i think that the media makes a big mistake going on tv, national willrks, saying, what happen between hillary clinton and donald trump? the voters have not decided who they want.

i have studied broadcast journalism, i studied it, and i do believe that the media needs to be more educated -- objective in the covering of candidates, because the media is coordinating hillary clinton as being the leader of the party. this will be a contested convention in philadelphia for the democrats, i guarantee it. i think that bernie sanders has momentum now, he has a good chance of taking new york, and if you see what the clinton did to the greenpeace activist the other day, that is a good example of why she should not be fbient and also, the investigation. i think that the media needs to concentrate on that, because she basically is a criminal, in my book. if you have studied what she has done. if she is nominated, there will be a lot of democrats who will not vote for her. host: a contested democratic convention? george: it is true that hillary

clinton has not gotten the nomination and bernie sanders could win. and many have endorsed bernie sanders and that he should keep running. i think it is important to be clear, with the delegate count is right now and how many, how big a share of the remaining states he would need to win in order to actually win the nomination. it does not seem likely and i think it is important for sanders supporters to say, this is not over, we should keep voting and organizing and donating, but recognize that the road is steep and at the end of the day, there will probably not be in indictment that comes to save their candidate. host: i want to return to michelle fields and that incident, in which the campaign manager for donald trump was charge for us all. an article less than half an hour ago released my noticed that donald trump -- the story

noting that donald trump is standing behind his campaign manager as he faces battery charges, behind the scenes, his role is shrinking. campaignld trump's role --will be taking a surprising? is he standing by the guy or is he not? this could've been a one-day story if he said, if he had been a little less supportive of the campaign manager manhandling women. with rogered closely stone who has been one of his most outgoing circuits -- surrogates. knows what exactly was

going on there. i get the impression -- this is one of those interesting things about the donald trump presidency, what would it look like? you would have to work with people coming up through the party, coming up through different departments, who is going to be working with donald trump if he were to win. the fact is, i am not sure that on account knows, because donald trump is not think about that. i think that he is a very hands-on kind of guy and he likes control and i do not think that he likes to give it away. his campaign manager is one of the few people who has seen that. it is surprising that he has been downgraded. host: there is a shift, a natural outgrowth of the campaign, but according to sources, this is also the result of concern among members of the trump inter-circle about his campaign managers and

experience. he has a brash temperament. george: the new york times said about a meeting that donald trump had at the rnc, outlining what would happen with delegates and a donald trump complaining that ted cruz got the delegates in the louisiana, and that is not fair, and i will sue. and the leader of the rnc had to explain to donald trump, how it worked. it was a rare admission or weakness from donald trump in a closed room. it should be something reported, but what it really is, if he is realizing that, he is going to be strapped for delegates and maybe he would not be ready to compete. kelly: that was a great story from the new york times. three people who had been heavily briefed on the meeting. donald trump said, you are not

playing fair. and they say, these are the rules. and donald trump had to look at his team and say, why did we not know this? the gop launched a new website, convention fax, and in it they emphasize the rules that have been around for 160 years now. so now they are pushing back on these accusations that they have been unfair to donald trump, they need to say that these of the rules. host: two quick programming notes concerning the campaign 2016 raise, donald trump has a town hall today at 4:00 p.m. in wisconsin. you can see it on c-span. and then bernie sanders and hillary clinton will be in milwaukee, wisconsin, and that will be live on c-span. back to the phone. we have an independent, sandra. caller: good morning. i just have an observation that

i would like feedback on. in a town hall the other night with anderson cooper, donald trump easily picked off all of the countries with nuclear capabilities and those countries with whom we pay big money for defense and israel was not mentioned. and as i understand, we pay twice as many american dollars for israel's defense than any other country, and in 2017 that will increase. what are your thoughts? george: foreign aid comes up a lot in the elections. rand paul would have been the guy to hear this from. i think it is important to look at this and donald trump has made waves recently, saying that he will pull back and these countries like japan can protect themselves against north korea.

when you break it down, the amount that the u.s. gives out in foreign aid, all foreign aid, a small fraction of the budget and getting rid of it will not solve problems. host: a question from twitter, how much more influence is in our elections now? candidates cannot take foreign donations, but in terms of leaders of other countries and comments they have made about the election, your thoughts on how they play into it? leaders arenow, scared to say anything, because they do not know who they will have to work with. justin trudeau, the new prime minister of canada, at first he said a couple of negative things about donald trump, then started to realize that this guy could be the new president and now he has backtracked, saying that the american people will choose the best for their interest and i

will look forward to working with who that is. george: they need to be strategic and that is what they are doing. if the head of these european countries say that they hate donald trump, think about who these voters are, that is helpful to them. if leaders of muslim countries say that donald from will be bad, you can see how that would effective. host: we have frank. caller: good morning, i was wondering why, well, i know why people oppose donald trump. i am wondering why people, if they do not like donald trump, how are they supposed to select ted cruz, when you have john kasich who would be more suitable for the establishment, instead of ted cruz. ted cruz does not get along with anybody.

is elected, i do not see how you can get anything done and i do not understand what he would do for the american people. host: bring it back up that lead editorial from the new york times. george: with ted cruz, a lot of it is personal, but he is basically a normal republican in the sense of his financial backers, that is what you would normally see, the big finance companies and oil companies. he is about getting rid of the irs. he wants to cut taxes, deregulate, step up for the enforcement of social issues. he is a more extreme version, but he is in the camp of a known republican, he can probably be controlled by the establishment. he will not do anything that is too far from what they want. ist donald trump does, he anybody's guess, at this point clear -- point.

host: we have an independent. caller: good morning, i am an african american woman, college-educated. as an independent, i am thinking about what i would like. what i want to do, i want to see a shakeup of the establishment. i want to see changes and another that as far as hillary clinton is concerned, she is not a change. she changes with what ever is politically correct at the time, i do not trust her. i did vote for bernie sanders in the primary. if he gets the nomination, i will go with him. if hillary clinton gets the nomination, i will vote for donald trump. the reason, i see donald trump, first of all, he knows that politicians can be blocked. he knows how to play the game. and he is not controlled. sanderse that bernie

and donald trump, they would be the ones that shakeup and try to make a difference. some don't understand, why these people are voting for donald trump or why are they voting for donna -- bernie sanders, because we know that politicians that have caused this, or when they get in office, they change. that is what it is all about for the people trying to tell you people, that we are tired of the same old thing and we want a change. kelly: that is definitely, expressed perfectly, the mood of this election season, this is very antiestablishment and let's get them out. that is a benefit of donald trump and not making a lot of promises of what you will do when you are president, because people when i get angry when you have not to fill those. -- fulfilled those. going back to ted cruz, donald

trump keeps saying that nobody likes ted cruz, that those in the senate will not endorse him him i cannot figure out why he thinks that is a bad thing. if washington is the problem, isn't that a good thing that the establishment would be slow to endorse ted cruz? int: we have somebody mississippi, buford? caller: good morning, i had a couple of things to say. about 127eep talking investigators with the fbi on the e-mail thing for hillary clinton. undoubtedly, people will keep up with the facts. there is only about one dozen of them. and, another thing, they do not pay close enough attention to all of the facts when they come out.

if you watch the video, you can 'se where donald trump assistant grabs the news lady and jerks on her. you can tell that he did something to her, but donald says gets up there and whatever feels good for him at the time, or whatever helps him get out of these lies. i am a republican, myself, and i like to see certain people get in there too, but if you have to lie to get into public office, to know, there is no reason keep trying to go down that road and making people believe that you do not do something when you did. donald trump is a professional artist -- con artist.

s or the fax -- fact truth matter less in this political cycle? george: donald trump lives in a fantasy world. but even ted cruz, he wrote about his plan to care for neighborhoods and in the op-ed he drew out a line that the obama administration had gone with european countries to think about a law that would make discussion of radical islam legal, that would threaten the constitution. that is a flat out fantasy. and i follow ted cruz a lot on the campaign trail and he would throw out things all the time that you would normally expect -- he frequently said, that obama had made it a rule that troops were not allowed to pray, which is just made up. the election is existing in a

fantasy world and a large part of it is able have lost faith in the media. so when the media does fact check, people say that they are lost in a bubble. host: with the hillary clinton e-mail case, the confusion of the number coming from washington, the story originally siding that 137 agents had been detailed for the investigation. they had cited a lawmaker that was briefed by the fbi director on that, with officials since telling the washington post that that figure is high and that the fbi will not provide the exact figure for the update of the original story. but the number of fbi personnel involved is fewer than 50, so that was the latest update in the washington post for those trying to get the exact number. kelly: this idea that, yes, she is being investigated.

but it is fewer than 50, this is a serious investigation and you know, it is shocking. one more thing, george is right, ted cruz likes to say strange things. one reason that his, what he example,traction, for on the french president who was here for the nuclear summit and you know, the white house actually edited out his use of the term islamic terrorism, they actually cut the audio of that part, bizarrely. why? it is little things like that lead people to be suspicious and that is why when ted cruz says something outrageous, a good traction -- it gets traction because people are already uncomfortable with what is going on in washington. host: we have joe, a democrat.

caller: good morning. curiosity asinely to why individuals who are considered financially middle-class or poor vote republican, when you think about the fact, and also when you think about the fact that it is laws, people makes are talking about what the president can do, the president can't do anything unless votes onapproves and it and the president signed the bill to make it law. jobs,en they talk about and whenting factories you go back and listen to some

of the things that the current president has advocated, those are some of the things he wanted to do, but did not do because congress did not assist him. when you want change, think about who you vote as your congress people, they are the ones that make the difference. the president has power, yes. but the president cannot do anything unless -- ♪ sarah palin: i feel like i am at home. i am in the snow again and you

guys even dress like alaskans, you guys are so great. it is so great to be here with you. thank you for being here for the right reason, supporting the next president of the united states. [applause] palin: it really is great to be here, reconnecting with family roots. my grandma was born in wisconsin. [applause] sarah palin: my favorite brother-in-law, he is from a tiny town in wisconsin. connection we have, i just got a text from number 64, jerry kramer. -- yeah, cheeseheads. we are cheeseheads in alaska, we do not have pro teams, so any

connection we have. one of them, my dad played with jerry kramer in his high school days, so we get to claim, ok, we have a connection with the cheeseheads. by the way, we are on a mission to try to get jerry kramer finally inducted into the nfl pro football hall of fame. we have donald trump helping us do that. you'll get a good benefit from trump with one of your favorite players. it is great to be here. are you ready to make america great again? [applause] is the deal,here you cannot lose your beautiful state to hillary clinton. oing] sarah palin: hillary clinton is the continuation of obama, her

policies, her people, that will be the continuation of obama and wisconsin cannot afford that. there have not been enough victories and there will be more victories for wisconsin under president donald trump. you have to consider on tuesday when you are voting for who you want to see representing the republican party to go up against hillary, you need to consider who can beat hillary. -- the cruzama people, romney and those guys, they were working together and the representation that is manifest, it is not going to bode well for wisconsin if it is ted cruz on the ticket and not donald trump. donald trump is the only one that can beat hillary clinton. [applause] know, becauseou

of the state of the media as it is, sometimes you do not get accurate information that you need, do you? sometimes, most times, things are twisted and turned and donald trump's policies are not necessarily reported accurately. let's do a little pop quiz for the sake of the media, maybe you guys can yell out the answers and maybe the media will listen to you and will get some respect for you and report accurately the answers to these simple questions. wisconsin, who is the only candidate that has created middle-class jobs and help americans realize the american dream? audience: trump. womenpalin: who promotes in his own country and shatter the glass ceiling?

audience: trump. relies onn: who consultants, those guys who keeps -- you keep losing elections, who is the one that ignores all of that political hacking and relies on good advice from strong women around, people like his strong, confident daughter? audience: trump. sarah palin: who does not support the job killing plan from obama? audience: trump. supportsin: ted cruz it. you need to start calling him out on that. thank you for having the right answers for the media. [applause] sarah palin: it is the candidate that has spent decades fighting washington, d.c. as they have shipped out manufacturing jobs

overseas? audience: trump. sarah palin: who is not owned by those crony capitalists? audience: trump. sarah palin: it is not receiving a government paycheck? audience: trump. sarah palin: who has inspired a movement, which republicans always claim they want to do them for bringing in independents and others who are saying, enough is enough of what is going wrong in the world. we can finally do things right by electing donald trump, who is the only candidate who knows how to win? he knows the art of the deal and in it for the right reasons, never having to be bought and sold by corporate donors that are so involved in everybody else's campaigns?

who is in it for the right reasons, for you? audience: trump. sarah palin: amen. the only thing standing between you and hearing from the next president of the united states, is me, so i will get out of the way. it is an honor to introduce to you, the next president of the united states of america, donald trump. [applause] ♪ [whistling] [applause] [applause] ♪ everybody.ello,

mr. trump: thank you so much, isn't she great? how good is she? there are a lot of people here. thank you so much, sarah. we landed and the snow was pouring in, it was so beautiful. i have that we were landing in alaska. it is beautiful. it is such an a couple turnout -- incredible turnout. we are doing so well and we are so proud. we love wisconsin, it is a special place. i think that we will do really well. [applause] mr. trump: really well. look at these young people. you know, something i said on the way up and i was saying it before, i am self funding my campaign.

i do not know if it is worth it, i will let you know in about a year or less. but i think it means lot. the reason is, all of these people i am running against, the republicans and the democrats, they are not doing it the way that i am. when hillary clinton gets money from the oil industry and all the other industries, when john kasich gets money from the people he is getting money from, they totally control him. believe me. when ted cruz, lying ted -- believe me, lying said -- ted. i have met a lot tougher than him, by have never seen anybody lie like lying ted. when he gets money from the banks, oil, gas, from everything, believe me, they have him. i get money from me. i really am here for one reason,

to represent you. to represent you. believe me. [applause] is so great.d, it when i come to places. i told my people, let's keep them smaller, because we had protesters. they said, let's keep them smaller, so we can check everybody who comes in. i said, yeah, but i like the big. we have 5000 -- where is the long? -- mall? we have 5000 people in the mall, i said enough, let them have protesters. who cares? we have 5000 people on the other side and i feel so guilty, let's all say, we love you. audience: we love you. + mr. trump: but you would not swap seats. i hope you can hear well. can you hear well?

well? --he mall here hear well? i hope they can. this is amazing. look, i am doing this to make america great again. look at all of these hats. we are doing this -- [applause] this top: we are doing make, look at that guy. stand up. do i look like that? can you believe it? look at that. alright, it looks great. good job. simple, beautiful theme, "make america great again." we have so many problems, so far worse then you understand. i know the numbers.

the governor gave a plaque a year ago when he thought that i liked him. i do, he came to my office, he gave me a plaque. i bet that he wishes he could do that over again. i need to show that plaque. i keep saying, no, i should not have brought it. i want to show it. we will be here. i think that it will be an amazing couple of days. i think that we are going to win. i really do. [applause] i think, i think that people are going to be surprised . i saw the outpouring that we had. and theyelse was here had 300 people, and we have thousands in here, 5000 out there. i think we have more than 2000 in here. i think that we are going to win. let's just see what happens.

i know one thing, we are going to dwell. -- well. well does not win -- mean anything. have you ever heard of a man named vince lombardi? in this neck of the woods? what did he say about winning? right. [indiscernible] mr. trump: he knows. i met him once and he was with three of his players, in a restaurant. these three players were tough cookies. two of them are friends of mine and they played for your team. they were great players. vince lombardi was not a big guy. he walked in and he was angry, you could see, and he came over to the table. he saw these three guys, twice his size, they could have swatted him. i will not tell you what he did,

he actually grabbed one of them by the shirt. today, you cannot do that. then he left. he gave him an earful. i want to tell you, this big strong guy, he weighed about 250 then. that is like 310 now. and he left him a stormed out -- left, stormed out. and this guy was shaken. i said to myself, the reason that vince, i have great respect for him as a coach, and i love bill belichick, certain people you need to respect. and i said at one of my other meetings, tom brady is a friend of mine. he is great. nice, right? you think your quarterback is great. tom told me that. vince lombardi, the reason he got away, his winning. if he did not win, he cannot get

away with that. he would not be a look and get that kind of fear, respect, but fear from a big, strong player. but he won. he had one many times -- won many times. and the respect they had for him was a credible -- incredible. we do not win. we cannot be isis. -- beat isis. we cannot beat trade, china, mexico, they think we are stupid. japan, vietnam, india, any nation, name a nation -- they do well. it does not make a difference. they do well, and the more i think about it, the more i realize, they do well for a very specific reason. not that the politicians are so stupid, many of them are, many of them are not, but because

politicians take contributions from people representing certain other parts of the world, or companies involved in other parts of the world, and they do things not in your best interest. when i say i am self funding, i have turned down more money, i bet that any human being has turned down for political run. frankly, everybody takes money. [applause] and when you think of it, not a big difference. for years, probably, i may be wrong, but the only one would be ross perot many years ago. but, he did not take money. i have turned down so much. people coming up, $10 million, donald we want to give you $10 million for your campaign.

$5 million, $2 million, $1 had $100,000bush or so. i do know -- i do not know if i get credit for it. many people say, i like donald trump, i like ted cruz, that is not a very comparison. i am so much better. [laughter] mr. trump: i would do a summit better job. i will do so much better. not even close, but i will do so much better. because i am working for you. they talk about working for you, but they are not. they are working for the next election, campaign contributions, what else? who knows what else they take? who knows what else they work for? they are working at a minimum campaign conservation. people come up to me -- our politicians are so stupid, why

would they make deals like that? there was a deal recently, a committee made an incredible deal and politicians approved it. and people say, politicians are so stupid. no, they are represent by the smartest people they have ever seen, special interest groups, lobbyists. some of these guys, it says ted cruz, the lobbyist, tattooed on their forehead. i can deal with ted cruz. they raise a lot of money for him. and when they need a vote, i am not going to vote for that. $2 have to, we gave you million for your campaign when nobody else would put up the money. do i know this is the better than anybody? , i only started this political stuff on june 16, i

was before that, a big contributor. it is a system, it is not good. it is a system and it is what we have. hillary guys -- it says on this guy's forehead. you go to him, you want hillary. you go to another guy if you want john kasich. another guy if you want ted cruz. 100%, 100%, by the way, they will not always get what they want. maybe 90%. there are some things you cannot do. but they get what they want a lot, they are professionals. they are very good at it. funding, iam self hope people appreciate it. it means a lot, i do not go anybody, anything. them.ot owe [applause] mr. trump: and i said on the way

$35so far i have invested million, something like that. my money. and you know what, it has no impact on me. look, i built a great company, and amazing company with cash flow and some of the greatest assets in the world, worth over $10 billion. i started with a very small loan and created a great company, some of the great assets and tremendously low debt. the reason i tell you that, that is the kind of thinking we need in the country to solve many of our problems. [applause] mr. trump: many. folks, they have all of those cameras, we are right now sitting on something that will explode and it will be a bad situation. we better get rid of debt and we better straighten ourselves out.

we have debt on debt, on debt. [applause] thingsmp: and one of the we will talk about, we will talk about a couple of these things, it affects you very much and we probably have business owners here. we need to get rid of that. we will start with obamacare, that is a killer for you and to the country. it is a killer. obamacare is too expensive for the country to afford and it does not work. for anybody, it does not work. you go 65% increases this year and people telling me that they have never seen anything like it. it folds, it closes up, obamacare will close up. when you have it, it is no good anyways. we will terminate at and we will end up with a great health care plan that will cost you less

money and be much better. [applause] i love these young kids, look at these beautiful kids. they are going crazy. they are talking about obamacare, they do not know what it is, but hopefully they will not need health care for 40 years. but they are still enthusiastic. they do not like obamacare and hopefully they will not need to worry about it. ultimately, they need to worry about the cost, because it is unbearable. the kind of money we are talking about is unbearable. we are going to end, gore, we -- going to bring education we will protect our second amendment, we are going to do all of the things you heard me saying. all of it. [applause] mr. trump: here is what i want to talk about, because we are talking about big numbers.

talk theion, we cannot little stuff. cuts of going to be things you will not believe. we will save social security, caught -- cut all of the fraud. you do not mind cutting the fraud out? we are good to take care of the vets and build the military, bigger, stronger than ever before. [applause] -- trump: .]hanting u.s.a mr. trump: beautiful, great. isn't that great, when you see young people like that? they are going to be very successful. do not forget, they are after our jobs. they have no choice, they need to take it away from us.

you will treat us nicely. that is the next donald trump, bigger and better. not even a contest. good luck, kids. what about the one in the middle, are you going to be the most successful? great. great job. that is what we love to see. my daughter just had a beautiful , beautiful son. [applause] and, ultimately that is what we fight for. that and the grandchildren, we are going to turn this thing around fast. let's talk about a couple of things. we are the police department for the world and the entire world, many of these places that we are taking care of our very rich. we take care of saudi arabia, they made a billion dollars a prices were up, now

they make a little less. big deal. what? imports -- he is right. you never know, is he on our side? but we take care of saudi arabia. now, nobody is going to mess with saudi arabia because we are watching them. they have a fund so big, nobody has ever seen a fund like that. oil pouring out of the ground, very high quality oil. so they make nothing but money. if it was not for us, they would not be there very long. they are good people, everything is fine. but we are losing a fortune. if we had a person like me, like other people in this room, maybe some. you have some people in the room that would do a good job. and other people who would not do good, like people we have

right now. nobody could do worse. so, we're protecting saudi arabia. and they are paying -- and they are not paying us a fair price. why are we paying rent for our military bases? why do we have any rent? i am not even talking about right, i am talking about really big numbers. .apan, great country they may cars, sell them. withve billions of dollars japan, they sell us cars and we sell practically nothing, that is a trade imbalance. one of the great imbalances of all time. los angeles, i see these massive ships come in. this is like nascar. by the way, many drivers of nascar endorse trump, you know

that right? the great brian france. they do a great job. thank you. but, they endorse -- brian said, i want to endorse you. he did it in north carolina. good place to endorse. it would not be bad up here, either. but we have it. not only sarah palin, we have jerry falwell junior, joe from arizona, sheriff joe. how about sheriff joe? ok? [applause] mr. trump: chris christie has been fantastic. dr. ben carson who has been amazing. amazing. what a great guy. and we have so many others, congressman now, senator sessions, one of the most respected people in the senate, who ted cruz thought that he had. he kept talking about sessions

and we would say, senator sessions, then he announced that he was endorsing donald trump. cruzf a sudden, ted did not talk about him. a lot of things will happen. one thing we will do is the military bid we are the policeman of the world -- military. we are the policeman of the world. but these are really wealthy countries. not necessarily powerful, because we protect them. and it is ok. and you know what, when they start paying us and we do trade deals, this country is already turned around. [applause] mr. trump: because we are talking about big dollars. ted cannot do it. in all fairness, number one, they will find out that he is a liar.

you know, the evangelicals, they are with me. [applause] mr. trump: the evangelicals -- remember south carolina? that was going to be ted, lying ted was going to win that one easily, because evangelicals -- right? let's get going. i think that you guys are only 28%. go to church. those are the ones. do you go to church on sunday? anytime you can go. do you go? evangelicals, and we won everything. we won so much. to show you, ted, did you see it? i am the only one who can beat donald trump. times.beaten him five and he is screaming, he wishes

that he had the bible in his hands, but he picks up the bible and put it down and he lies. him it says, ibm -- i beat six times. and i said, yeah, but i have beaten you 22 times. remember the face? [applause] mr. trump: i think we have like 21 or 22 states already, but this is an important one. you need to do me a favor, vote. i will do such a good job for you. do yourselves a favor. [applause] mr. trump: you are probably doing me a favor if you do not vote for me, i will go home and relax. so many people ask the question. this morning, i was interviewed by a very good radio guy. but some are bad, you know this guy named sykes?

listen to the whole interview, everybody who listened to that show would vote for me. do not hang up, take on the enemy. you absolutely take them on. [applause] mr. trump: but, he is not a very talented guy or smart guy. but the guy that interviewed me today, he was a smart guy. and it was national. he interviews me and says, we are on the phone, it is early saturday morning and i said, thank you very much. he said, mr. trump, one final question. what? you are worth a fortune, you have a beautiful family, you can do anything you want, why are you doing this? and, that question has been asked of me more than any other question, other than student debt. when i am around students, they graduate, they cannot get a job and it is a serious problem.

but that question is asked so much, and i said, i have been so lucky in this country and i have so muchwell and made money, and i have enjoyed my life and i have hopefully some really good years left and i want to give back. i just want to give something back. [applause] mr. trump: that is all it is. that is all it is. [applause] -- trump: trump]ing mr. trump: thank you. you know, our theme, make america great again -- we are going to make it so great. we always have a problem, the problem with translation because the press is so dishonest. you have no idea. it is amazing how smart the

people are. look, the people get it. they are really dishonest. they will put 1/10 of a sentence in. and worse, the cameras. know, i used to say, "i love television." but the press is very dishonest. now we have a new trade deal pacifiche ttp, trans transpacific partnership. it is terrible. it is worse than nafta. i guarantee that most people have never read it. all of these countries think it is stunning and they analyze it

and we designed it. first of all, we shouldn't have signed. we should sign with one, two, 12, but we, not should have not done it. it is too complicated, it is a dad deal, ted cruz is totally in favor for it. john kasich, who voted for nafta, is in favor for it. "you are going, to vote for that deal, see you "re going to vote for this tell him he has no choice, so he is going to vote for it. there are people in congress who don't want it. those are people who are being honest. the biggest point of the deal is devaluing monetary policy. china takes the most advantage of the devaluing of currency. they kill us.

this year, we are going to have a $500 billion trade deficit with china. that you'resay going to be so rich, so fast, but i'm a businessman, i know business, and under me, you are going to be so rich, so fast. [applause] mr. trump: you just don't know how rich you are going to be. we are going from a debtor nation. refused tod cruz who approve any language on devaluation. monetaryage on manipulation. that is where they beat us, folks. they devalued their currency so much, and that we see our dollar holding and going up. they want our dollar to go up. it sounds good. isthe meantime, komatsu killing caterpillar. look at what is going on with mexico.

businesses,king our not only for to valuation, but for other problems. politicians don't know what the hell they are doing. so look. we are going to change things, and that is big money, those begins. i have carl icahn and other big businessman. we used political hacks, third-rate political slobs, to negotiate with the smartest people in china, the smartest people in japan, and we have all the cards. people don't realize it. without this big pot of money that is being drained out of your pocket -- and by the way, i have to do this, because i just thought i would have to, but i want to redo some statistics. so where am i talking about? 20% of the manufacturing jobs have left since 2000. you know or that is?

wisconsin -- know where that is? wisconsin. wisconsin chronically legs the rest of the united states in job creation. what happened with scott walker, and i could only say this because i couldn't ask for his endorsement. what i did to that poor guy, man. [laughter] [applause] mr. trump: and he is a nice person, but who cares? i don't care if he is nice, i want to make this country rich in good again. ok, so it chronically lags the rest of the country. i am running for president and it is like i'm standing on a motorcycle or something. i've got to tell you, every time i go someplace, bikers everywhere, any bikers and here? here?ers in

the bikers love me. and i have always loved the limousine, but you are great people. hundreds close to 1000 bikes, and i wondered what was going on. they are out there waiting for was agive a speech, it big group, it was incredible, but there had to be 1000 bikes, fairness,leys, in all i love harleys. and i by warsaw windows. windows.warsaw does anybody know about warsaw windows? pennsylvania avenue and there are great windows in anotherd i am building

hotel and it is way ahead of schedule and under budget. is over 3000% of cost overrun. 3000%. but warsaw windows, i built a building on wall street with warsaw windows. say hello to warsaw windows for me, would you? say hello. honestly, it is one of the best windows made in the world. i said, warsaw, that must be where they make the windows, but we did a full building, on wall street, using 3500 warsaw windows. that is a lot of windows, right? and there are no leaks. we have no leaks. i should say they leaks like hell and get a refund, right? ometimes., too, s

anyway, so we have to make our country so strong and what we do it is with the big stuff and when you look at your area, wisconsin has to keep wages depressed in order to hold onto jobs. foreignbecause of competition. that is good, that is fine for foreign competition, but not for you. haven't had an effective wage increase in 20 years. you have another candidate that people, but we have thousands of people outside listening to a speaker. because people are angry and they are disgusted at what is going on. so we have thousands right now, we have people all over this country that are working hard, and a lot of people are getting part-time jobs. they never had a part-time job in their life, what because of obamacare, it makes sense for the company to make everything part-time. for reporting requirements. so it's terrible.

jobs is coming largely from health care, which are very well-paying jobs, it claims, which is about $125 per week. that is not good. make it manufacturing like a low-wage nation in wisconsin, ok? and i've heard this, household income has had a major decline. this is wisconsin. by the way, this is largely country, just a you understand. large, large decline in household income, and that has taken place since the year 2000. so since the year 2000, you have had a decline. wisconsin is just in the middle of the pack. so you have a governor who endorsed him, ted cruz, and people of the governor, so do i, so he is fighting and fighting and fighting. if he gives you a

call up, i would say, what the hell difference does it make? now let's say i didn't run again, ok? and let's say i wanted something in wisconsin and i call him up, "governor, how are you doing, governor? listen, just out of curiosity, i want to build something in wisconsin." do you think he would be happy about it? i think so, right? i don't know if it's good, i don't know if it's bad, but believe me, it's wrong because it is wrong for the people. people haven't had an increase in wages countrywide, nationwide, the blue collars. the wall street guys, i know the wall street guys so well. they have carried interest provisions, the have provisions that nobody in this room even understands, except one person, i understand it. i understand it and we're going to end it folks, we are going to end it.

i am doing well. i don't want to do that well. i really don't want to do that well. it doesn't matter. some but he said, "how would you do if you didn't run your business?" are you kidding me? an opportunity that is so on inspiring to be president of the united states, to make our country so strong again. because we have to make it strong. we have to make it rich. a woman said, "mr. trump, i love you, i am going to vote for you, but please don't say, we are going to make this country rich again, it doesn't sound good." are right, "you because if we are going to make this country rich again, you're going to have social security cuts under john kasich or ted cruz, but i'm going to give a huge tax increase -- tax cut increase." spent $35 million or $45

million and the other guys have spent $150 million. i mean, jeb bush spent 145 ilion 140 $5 million. will anybody ever forgive me for that term? that term is a killer. i am down to the two leftovers. and now we are down to two. isn't it nice when you think of it? isn't it nice? [applause] and, and, we are leading big against the two. is very important because if i can win wisconsin, you people are going to have low taxes, you're going to have jobs, we are going to bring jobs that, you're going to have your pick of jobs, you are not just going to pick a job because you have no choice, we are going to g jobs back into this

country. we are going to move forward. you saw carrier air conditioners just a few months ago move into mexico. that's not good to happen. you are having pfizer move to ireland. i am telling you, these companies are high and regulations are too tight. who is troubled by regulations in this country? right? it is terrible. i have friends who are farmers that can't even form their lands because there are too many regulations. if i say had to shovel it out of the ground. we are going to end all that. we are going to end all that. it is so important. here's the thing. we have got to go out and we have got to vote. let me give you one other item because it is so important. i heard ted cruz today say -- now, i have been a businessman and i made a lot of money, made

a lot of money against china, made tremendous deals against china. they can be beaten folks. they can be beaten. in trade. you know, the richest people in china, friends of mine, they say, "donald, we can't believe a we get away with." i was running for president. now they say, "i didn't say that." but they said it. watching television, i say, wow, that is terrible. we were talking about nuclear, and i said, japan should have nuclear. that is what i said, supposedly. the question that was asked to be recently on television by a very good announcer, a very good guy, he said, "what about nato?" right? in all fairness, i have been entrepreneur,e --

a very good one, but i know something about nato. here is the problem with nato. it is obsolete. i learned quickly. i knew it was true. it is 68 years old. it was formed to look over the soviet union which doesn't even exist anymore. obsolete and we pay too much money. now when i made this statement, thought i read it somewhere, but when i made the statement, it was really the statement that a lot of people said, how would you know a thing like that? so it turns out that things are worse than everybody thought. payinglaying -- we are so much money here the united states, which is all of us, we are talking about serious, serious money. ok? we are not only taking care of germany, we are taking care of japan, this, that, and the

other, but nato is not paying the bills, and why should they? because nobody asks them to pay. i am going to say, "pay up." and they are going to pay up. and i will do it nicely. i will ask nicely and do it very presidential. i will ask it and at the same time get the money. ok? you can't get to presidential. [applause] if you are to presidential -- too presidential. [applause] mr. trump: if you are too presidential, you won't if the money. one of these countries, and i will not name any names, but they will say, i don't want to give money. i am like a really smart person. i can be a presidential president. i can be boring, that is ok. but look, we are going to get

these countries to pay, and not only to pay, not only to pay, but to pay all of this money for years. we have been carrying these countries. many of them are rich countries. toe of them have the money pay. and then you safe to yourself, "what are we getting at here? -- "what are welf, getting at here?" well, take a look at ukraine. countriese or four that surround ukraine, do you ever hear of them complaining? we don't want again to world war iii. and yet, the people that are the neighbors, they don't really care. or they don't care much. but here is the thing. when i talk about armament or when i talk about protection or when i talk about the military, all of these countries, which is much of the world, that we are taking care of, they have to pay, and i do want to be, like, a green person, but we are

losing a fortune everywhere. we take care of south korea. on the 28,000 soldiers line between the north and the south, the mania. we have 20,000 soldiers on the line. [no audio] as stupid, stupid people as world leaders. we have got to stop it. we have got to stop it. [applause] mr. trump: so japan is a very big, very rich country, right? and we take care of japan and germany and with this and with that and this test and this juggernaut and this phenomenal, powerful, rich country.

and saudi arabia, i told you. to payeople don't have for these services, and what i said about japan is this, we are protecting japan from many countries, but we are protected japan from north korea. everybody talks about japan, japan, japan, what we get a tiny fraction of what we get, but we are protecting japan. so i said something to the effect that i would, and with great respect, i have a lot of japanese friends, they are great people, with great respect, but in four years, you are going to say that this guy turned up to be a great president, or maybe eight years. you're going to start saying it in two years. two years. you will see a big difference. right now we are at a great divide. right now we have a great divider as president. ok? he is a great divider. so i would say to japan, "you've got a help us out, we want to help you."

them notld rather have armed, but i am not going to continue to lose this tremendous amount of money, and frankly, the case could be made to let them protect themselves against north korea. they would probably wipe them out pretty quick. and you know what? that would be a terrible thing. it looks, folks. if they fight, that would be terrible. but if they do, they do. we can't be the police of the world and get all of this debt going and we are sitting on a bubble that is going to explode and then we are going to end up you know where. we can't do it. is after i happen made my statements about nato, the next thing you saw last week was that "donald trump wants to disband the nato." look, she is smiling, is it true? some kind of a dopey

guy. i am smart, i am really, really smart. i know what i'm doing. i know what i'm doing. [applause] mr. trump: now there would be a point with some of these countries where we will walk and we won't be gone for long and then they will call us and say, "come back." now i would much rather protect japan, but you know what, it is possible to let them take care of themselves here. but probably more likely, they will pay also a lot more money and we won't be losing all of the vast millions and billions and billions of dollars that we are losing right now. just take a look at nato. i was so right. and now these people who studied nato for 30 years, now they are saying, that was a brilliant suggestion. one guy was saying, "here is a guy studying nato and he never thought of it, he said it is obsolete. natural instant for this. by the way, united nations.

same thing, smaller number. united nations. believe me. [applause] mr. trump: many other things. many other things. nations.e united they are wonderful. have they ever settled anything? it is just like a political gang. the united nations, we pay for a vast -- i mean, the amount of money we spend on the united nations. i will tell you a story. a few years ago, four or five years ago, i was going before the united nations, and we were doing a study of the united werens's buildings, we doing a renovation, so the in bassett or to sweeten up a time, i believe it was sweden, called me and mentioned the building for 92 stories for 306 $2 billion right across from the united nations. he called me and he was very nice and he said "district romp, i heard you spent $360 billion

on a building across the street, and -- "mr. trump, i heard you spent $360 billion on a building across the street." he said, "could i ask you a question -- why?" number one, they are crooked, and number two, it equals knowledge." i met with kofi anon and i said i would do the whole job for less. he said it would not be the same job and i said, you are right, it will be much better. [applause] i explained to him that i use marble and that you would use linoleum, ok? i said it will be much better, 100% that are. bottom line, i never heard from them again. senatee united states called me and they said, how can do it for $500 million,

it with could you do that but you quote them $1.5 billion? i said it will cost them $3 billion or maybe more than that, and that was years ago. it will cost them much more even than what i said. it was one of the greatest messes you have ever seen and i asked the hitman of construction, i said, "let me ask you, are you going to use new york steam?" very complex system of steam under new york. he said, "what's that?" he had no idea what i was talking about. i said, "how can you be in charge of a massive construction whatem when you don't know a five pipe or a four pipe, or a two pipe system is?" so here is the story, we are going to rebuild our country.

we need roads, we need bridges, you know want? our bridges are falling down. we are going to save so much. you're going to go out and vote and you will be so proud of what took place today and you are going to be be even more proud -- going to be even more proud of what happens on tuesday. but you know that. you are going to be very proud. [applause] you know, a lot of these politicians, a lot of these politicians, they get up and say, "you are americans, you great, great people of our country, it doesn't matter whether you vote for me, orbital for my opponent, what is important to get out and vote -- vote for me or vote for my opponent, what is important is you get out and vote." but i say you should vote for

me. i understand nature. you know, i appreciate life. we are all angry but we are good people but we are not really angry people but we love our country and it is being run by idiots and you have no idea what they are doing. and just to finish on the nuclear thing, i was talking about negotiating with japan and negotiate with germany and i have such negotiators in the world, carl icahn, other negotiators, a lot of people want to come in and help us, some of the greatest business minds, and they all want to help us, so i say to myself, "look at this, look at these people, and look at this negotiation. what is going to happen? what is going to happen?" if our country, if we don't do this deal, if we don't get the proper people in office soon, we are not good to have a country left, i am telling you, we are not going to have a country left. it's just not going to happen.

and i am a person with common sense, and i used to say -- ok, remember the beginning of the campaign? bush and rubio. they are both nice guys, ok? but let me just tell you, number one, marco rubio, he never ran because bush was his mentor. marco was never going to run and then he did run and then they just hated each other and then people said, no they don't, they are good friends. jeb bush stood up and said, "marco is my dear, dear friend" and marco rubio stood up and said "jeb is my dear, dear friend" and i said, "they hate each other." said, "why does he keep calling you a gifted, gifted politician?" trump isaying "donald a gifted, gifted politician."

and i said i do want to touch that, not on live television, i don't want to touch that. but look, i understood what is going on and i will do such a great job. es, we cut are expens will become rich, we will become strong, we will become great again, we will become so great. we don't win anymore. we don't win a war, we can't beat isis, we don't win with our great veterans, we can't take care of them, we don't know how, it is a corrupt system, the whole v.a. is corrupt. we are going to take care of our veterans. [applause] we are going to win with trade so big, we are going to have money pouring back in, we are going to have jobs pouring back in our country, folks, there is nobody going to say, "donald, please don't do that, please don't do that," if

i will say, "they don't represent me." we are going to have a strong border on the southern side. the border is going to be so strong. theknow, we will build wall. we are to make mexico pay for it. they will build it. [applause] yesterday, i have a great honor, because i never asked for this, the border people, aple, 16,500 called up and they said, we would like to endorse mr. tromp. they had never endorsed a presidential candidate before. they said, "we would like to endorse mr. trump." they said "we have never endorsed a presidential candidate before." [applause] by far thewe are strongest on the border, and who is going to pay for the wall? crowd: mexico! mr. trump: who?

crowd: mexico! mr. trump: we have a trade to with them, $58 billion per year. think about it. can you believe that is not including the drugs growing across the border -- drugs going across the border. tds, listen to me, don't ake drugs. come here, raise your hand, raise your hand. raise it. drugs, no hand, no alcohol, raise your hands, kids. --promise donald j. trump j. trumpromise donald -- mr. trump: "that i will never do littlend, well, do a

alcohol -- kids: that i will never do drugs, and, a little bit of alcohol. love kids.i you will never get hooked. you will never get hooked. that may be the most important thing i have done today. tolook, folks, we are going have a strong border. we are going to start winning again. i hope on tuesday you go out and vote for me. i will not let you down, i promise, you will not see anything like this. i promise. so on tuesday, go out and vote, it will be the greatest vote you have ever made, and we are going to start winning again, we will make america great again, i love