human livesweets " should not be a business under any economic or social system." "united health care is limited on what they can charge. they put profit over patient care." here is a little bit more information from the kaiser family foundation on the impact of an exit by united health care in several states. it tells about alabama and the impact there. about two thirds of enrollees go from having a choice of two insurers to a single insurers. two to choose from. 43% ofsissippi, enrollees and 50 counties with dropped to just a single insurer and the remaining 57% in 32 counties would still have two. in arkansas, they would drop from four to three insurers.

in georgia nearly 50,000 marketplace enrollees, 8% of the total, when the left of a choice of two insurers. another 20,000 would have only one insurer if no new entrants replaced united health care. the kaiser family foundation goes on to say the company was less likely to offer one of the lowest cost plans for most enrollees. they did offer a low-cost option but it was often closed to its competitors. the weighted average premium for a silver level plan would have been about 1% higher at united not participated in 2016. that's according to the kaiser family foundation. we are taking your phone calls on your experience with your health plan under the affordable care act. st. bernard, louisiana. david is on the phone line. good morning to you. caller: good morning. host: what is your story? what is your experience? caller: i'm a commercial fisherman.

i live down here in louisiana. it's been a godsend for us. most all my friends have it. most of the deckhands have it. we don't make a lotf money but it make about $30,000 a year. before my insurance was $720 a month. now i went down at $254. some people might say -- it's great for us. i have hepatitis c. my wife was sickly. nobody would touch us. obamacare saved us. i really wasn't for obamacare in the beginning but i tried it. i called and i got on the computer. it was just a miracle. i was paying $722 before. if the best thing since sliced bread. host: which insurance companies are you working with? caller: blue cross blue shield and i have the silver plan. before i had platinum plus.

i called them up and set it with the best policy. i want the same thing that the politicians get. the best policy money can buy. waswhat i make, which $29,000. host: she said that caller: my deductible is like $15 a month. liver wasne for my unreal. $1001/ i paid 15,000. -- $15 for it. i had a co-pay. $30,not real cheap, it's but that isn't that for me. before it was $45. host: david from louisiana. the next color is liz from florida. what is your story? caller: good morning. i have united health care in florida. beforenited health

obamacare went into effect so i stuck with it. from last year to this year my premium increased about 55%. when you look at the cheaper plans that are available on the marketplace, none of them have the doctors in the network. this is been the third time i had to switch primary care doctors. -- mynited health care primary care doctor stopped taking united health care insurance last year. three times i would've had to change primary care doctors since the onset of obamacare. then i had cheaper plans. that would've been $4300 tax adoption i would've lost. when they say there are cheaper plans available, and they all had higher out-of-pocket expenses. it's not cheap. they say go out and look for a

cheaper plan. you really have to be careful with what you are getting with lower monthly premiums. a lot of times -- host: if united health care exits florida, what will you do? caller: i don't know. i am almost ready for medicare. for the first time in my life and anxious to get to age 65. once i get on medicare i want have to worry about it so much. i will have at least another two years for a need to try to find something that i can afford. hopefully my doctors will be on it. i had my insurance policy for 25 years. never really had to use it. when i did start developing health problems it all went to heck in a handbasket. my coverage now is much worse to what i had before obamacare and it cost a lot more. the out-of-pocket expenses are a lot more.

my experience with obamacare has not been very positive. yes, i always listen to the obamacare proponents. no, you can save money. get on the marketplace. yes, there are cheaper plans. there are plans a good have gotten for $250 a month as opposed to the $500 a month. but you have to make a decision. is it good to change your primary care doctor again? the continuity of medical care. my cardiologist ipad3 15 years was not on any of the cheaper plans at all. you have to decide what is best for you. while i'm sure some people have really benefited from obamacare, a lot of people have not. i am one of the ones who thinks it was not worth it. i wish things would go back to the way they were before. the plan i had for 25 years was a good plan. i had my heart attack, they pay for every thing etc. $5,000

which was my deductible -- except for $5,000. things are just a lot worse. host: we hear you this morning. the next caller comes from massachusetts. susan is on the line. share your experience with us. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. for more than 40 years. three weeks ago i got laid off. i apply foraid off the affordable care. i contacted the system and it was ineligible for affordable care because my income during the period of the year before and prior to my application was too high, even though i was unemployed and had no income. i was the carrier of the health insurance for my husband and myself. initially my payments for $1500 a month. by the grace of god my husband

was eligible for medicare. he went off the plan. for the last two and half years i've been paying $756 a month for health care. and i am not eligible. i am over the threshold for the affordable care act. some of your previous colors that we are subsidizing what people are getting for lower premiums. one of the ladies said get off of whatever you have and get on a hmo and you will save a lot of money. some of us continue to chug along paying $750 a month for health insurance. thank god i will be 65 and five months and every month i write a check for $756. i say to myself i never thought i would be so happy to turn 65. i think the affordable care act has been incredibly unfair to those of us that worked and worked and worked and got laid

off, or people that are just over the threshold continue to pay. it does create quite a financial hardship when you are paying that much money. host: susan from massachusetts. next caller comes from winter haven, florida. alfred, go ahead. caller: yes, i just want to say the in my wife apply for united health care, we a option -- an option which is if we took united health care that time we would not have to go to a medical exam and all this other stuff. if they pull out, does tt leave us with trying to get another insurance company and have to go through all these medical exams and preexistence

conditions probably will not be covered and all that other stuff, so what do we do then? that is what i want to know. host: alfred from winter haven, florida. your phonel taking calls on your experiences with the affordable care act. if you live in the eastern or central time zones, call (202) 748-8000, mountain regions can call call (202) 748-8001. you can send your thoughts in on social media, we are at twitter, @cspanwj. we are also on facebook at facebook.com/c-span. the republican national committee chair writes about the need for party unity yesterday at a spring meeting in florida. here's a little bit of what he had to say. [video clip] >> it is essential to victory in november that we all support our candidates. this goes for everyone, whether you're a county party chairman,

and rnc member, or provincial candidate. politics -- or presidential candidate. politics is a team sport, and we can't win unless we rally around whoever becomes our nominee. i want to prove the doubters wrong and show the republicans are going to stand side-by-side with each other, stronger than ever before. candidates have a special opportunity to show leadership on that front. our candidates are running for the nomination of the republican party. they are trying out for our team. no one is forcing them to wear her jersey. jersey. our --support our candidates to we expect our candidates to support our party and our nominee. [no audio] i know our candidates are going to try to say some things to attract attention.

that is part of politics. we only to get behind the nominee. unity makes the impossible, possible. and division makes the possible, impossible. and we also have some related public opinion polling here in the "wall street journal," this morning, with this chart on shifting party preferences. it shows what percentage of voters think democrats do a better job versus republicans on some key issues in dealing with the economy, more voters think republicans would do a better job than democrats. in dealing with foreign policy, democrats have taken the lead in recent years, showing that more voters think the democrats would do well in foreign policy, compared to republicans. democrats are also seen as looking out for the middle class i a greater number of americans compared to republicans. that is a poll from the "wall "newt journal." in the

york times," this is a story about the virginia felons getting the vote. he used executive power to restore voting rights to more than 200,000 convicted felons, circumventing the republican run legislature. the acting -- the action effectively overturn the civil war era prohibition in the states competition -- states constitution aimed at discrediting american -- african-americans. host: we are taking your calls and your thoughts on your experience with the affordable care at. a few comments from twitter, one person writes some things no one should profit from, health care is one of those things. it into another business that greed is your thing. another person tweets how much

more in taxes are you willing to our insured, all i'm not talking to takers, and talking to those who pay taxes. mike from tampa is our next caller. what is your experience? withr: my experience insurance companies come on back and looking into the comments. everyone is looking at this as if it's insurance, insurance is minimum accidental, this is not insurance. this is a service we require, everyone expects to pay in as little as they can and get out as much as they can. the criminal side of this as you see it going on more and more and hospitals. no one is looking at the big problem. whyomeone could address aspirin costs $50 and a band-aid costs $100 at a hospital, i bet we could save a couple of bucks. host: are you enrolled in an affordable care act plan in florida? caller: i am not. host: how do you receive insurance? caller: i do not.

consider being told and mandated by my government what i must buy, this is not the american way. they've taken a system that was working, it wasn't perfect, but now they have completely decimated it. mike from tampa. the next caller is marie from l myra, new york. marie, good morning. caller: good morning. i wanted to say something about united health care. they have definitely put profits before people. my son was on united health care exchange because he was disabled. and because of the medication he had to be on for his disability, it caused him to develop diabetes. the first month when he develops diabetes, they wouldn't -- the doctor wrote a prescription, he had emotional problems. it would have been easier for him, but they wouldn't pay for that. and the second month he went to get his medication, united health care wouldn't pay for it

at all. had my husband's insurance, which was united health care, it's complicated because he was disabled. united health care through the state was supposed be the secondary insurance. neither one of them would pay for his diabetic medications the second month. records, he medical developed acidosis and with the consultations with his other diseases, he passed away. united health care definitely puts profits before people. that's for sure. no one would definitely help him, they hadn't nurses and advocates calling to try and straighten out the problem. it's in his medication -- it's in his medical records, he was having problems getting through united health care. it wasn't the main cause of his death, because he hadn't taken any diabetic medication for weeks when he was hospitalized.

finally, after his hospitalization, i got a letter saying he could call a certain number to resume getting his diabetic medication. but it was too late. host: marie, did you ever consider trying to switch health plans? was there another option for you? was other options, that's what they were in the process of doing. , like i caseworker said, he had physical and emotional disability. they were in the process with his caseworker, but because it was emotional disabilities, he didn't tell me right away. he was trying to handle stuff, he lived on his own, trying to handle stuff on his own and i didn't know until he was admitted to the hospital that he hadn't been able to get his second month being a diabetic, he had been able to get his medication that month and that he was having all of these difficulties. his caseworker was working with him to try and get a different

secondary insurance for him. had his dadlways united health care because he was disabled and the secondary insurance to help because the co-pays are so high on my husband's insurance that he couldn't afford the co-pay. he had addison's disease and diabetes. and emotional problems. his co-pays were rather high. insurance may pay 80%, but that 20% can amount to a big amount of money. someone was working with him, they were going to put him on a different secondary insurance. unfortunately, he was hospitalized and he developed acidosis and basically as a result of that and other complications with his addison's disease, he passed away. myselfunited health care , but is not through the exchange.

exactly what the people that aren't on the exchange, united health care -- i wish i had other options but my husband doesn't, that's what they offer through his job. host: marie, we are starting here about your loss. our next caller is juliet from rockport, massachusetts. go ahead. caller: thank you for this wonderful program. i have a very unique story. i have been buying private health insurance on the health market as a small business owner for several years. host: you were on the air, go ahead. caller: i have been buying private health insurance on the open market for several years now, paying anywhere between $400 and $600 a month. i thought it might be eligible for the affordable care act subsidy, and as an experiment i went and saw a navigator. gety surprise, i'm able to

a plan that is equal to if not better than the plan i had prior , with no deductible, with a very low co-pay. doctor atits to the only $18 per visit, and a specialist the same, for $59 a month. it's not with united health care , is with another insurance company here in massachusetts. for me, it was a windfall, but i thought it's almost overly generous. i have always purchased it on my own in the open market, like i said. it is like disproportionate. i would have been happy paying $200 a month or $250 a month as opposed to the 400. when they said $59, i almost fell off my chair. host: did your navigator help you determine you are eligible for a subsidy? brought in my i federal income tax forms, all the necessary information. it was a moment of suspension of

disbelief, couldn't believe it. disproportionate, it's almost overly generous. i can afford more than that for months, but i am glad to have it at that low amount of money, because i do not have any illnesses, thankfully. i don't take any medication, i'm very healthy. for me, it is the way it should be for people who do remain healthy and exercise 45 days a week and the right. week ando five days a each rights. toas paying these premiums pay for the people in the plan who were unhealthy. that is my story. it might be an unusual one, i guess i just very fortunate to fall into the right -- in massachusetts, we have a wonderful variety of programs to choose from, we are very fortunate that we have several companies that we can do business with. i feel terribly bad for these united health people, because

they sometimes don't have that luxury of shopping, if you will. host: juliet from rockport, massachusetts. the next board next next caller is ed, good morning. caller: i have to echo the comments of the lady from fort washington and others. you have people in red states who are just absolutely against the affordable care act, but they are state didn't adopt the program, they didn't have the state exchanges. we have a great exchange here, i was in a job, i was want to be an entrepreneur, i have a pre-existing condition. , he got toothe job crazy and i want to do my own saying, cobra would have been $800 a month. that would have crushed me. the timing was perfect, obamacare was a godsend because i went into the blue cross blue

shield, six he dollars a month, he covered everything. the greatest benefits, especially for someone who wanted to be an entrepreneur and not be tied to a company just because they have insurance -- it gives you peace of mind. that's the greatest thing, you don't have to worry about -- is one of the things you don't have to worry about your trying to grow your business. i do understand the political share a lot of the insurance companies and some of the others who really miss the big profits they were making act,e the affordable care they lined the pockets of our politicians, national ones in terms of congress or what have you. but for the average person, if you really want to be a natural for newer and be independent and you want to grow your business syndrome, iour gut think it's a godsend in general. host: that is ed from maryland. we are going to be talking about

entrepreneurship later in the program, so keep watching. we have time for a few more callers. next up is carson from playa delray. caller: thank you for c-span. and good morning. host: go ahead with your thoughts. you still there? hello? we're going to move on from tyson to susan from revere, massachusetts. susan, good morning. caller: thanks for taking my call, thanks for c-span. i want to give a shout out to the caller from billy, very well put. and a shout to my fellow massachusetts lady in rockport. i agree, these are things that need to between. ae should, because you have higher income, they mourn her monthly premiums. i'm going to transition from a private insurance under cobra which cost $700 a month and i'm going to

transition to one of the mass health plans, because i still haven't found full-time employment, i just can't sustain $700 a month that i'm paying privately under cobra. i did want to remark on all the theye who keep reiterating can't wait for their medicaid to kick in. i really do think that the affordable care act, the genius of it is it is moving us towards a system where eventually we can bargain down pharmaceutical ,rices, like you can in canada the u.k., australia, new zealand, all of western europe. the longe have to take view on the affordable care act. i want to respond to that man in tampa, i think his name was mike, who says i don't want the federal government telling me to buy health care. mike, as a taxpayer in massachusetts, i don't want to have to pay for your 100 k emergency room bill, and all of the costs that you are going to

byur on the broader society not manning up and buying health insurance. you don't get anything for free in this world. attitude is shocking to me. , frankly, someone who has their head in the sand would not understand that even if you have to pay $300 a month for the peace of mind and protection and the fact that you are contributing to the overall health -- i want to say one thing about enhancer. they are in a similar situation. they only have a single insurer under the apa, they just didn't get their internal legislation together. there has been a migration of a lot of lower income and uninsurable people over the mass border, to give a fake address and they all get on mass health.

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"washington journal," continues. is sabrinass now schaeffer, executive director of the in and women's forum, and co-author of the book -- the independent women's forum and co-author of the book "liberty is were on winter coat -- the war on women." start us off by telling us about your organization. guest: the independent women's forum has been around for more than 20 years, and are -- our goal is to get more women to value limited government. we work on every thing from tax policy to health care, with a big focus on women in the workplace and what we can do to help them. coulter and education, women in politics, all of this is our core focus. host: how does this report

factor into your goals and mission? guest: i think there's a sense that over the past few decades, women have achieved so much educationally, professionally, financially. it's easy to overlook that there are still challenges that persist for women, especially those who work outside the home. even in the very best situation for a woman, there are legitimate things that she has to balance in terms of childcare, saving for retirement, making sure that her work pays. we want to try to address some of those in a way that would give women and their families more opportunity without growing government of the same time. host: what are some of the major policy reform judaism putting forward -- you guys are putting forward? guest: we would get things like pay equity and paid leave, childcare solutions, how can we make the workplace more flexible and reform the tax code to keep more money that you are -- you are an -- you earn.

host: you guys had this idea of a personal care spending account , a retirement account of her pregnancy. explain how that might work. -- guest: challenged one challenge on the issue of paid leave is we often talk about it as if no one has access. but 80% of the full-time employees have access to some sort of paid leave at about one third of part-time employees. the situation is not quite as dire as we sometimes hear. there are some people who don't have traditional work arrangements to do fall through the cracks. we wanted to figure out how can we help them. i don't think we can help them with a one-size-fits-all family act style piece of legislation. we need to think of this more piecemeal. this is one solution that we offer. the idea would be that people could save for that time that they needed to take off, whether to care for a child or an aging

parent, and further life reasons. tax-free. we realize that saving is very hard, especially when our budgets are already stretched. we also recommend that businesses could help match those contributions the way they would for a 401(k) plan. we also recommend setting up nonprofits where generous individuals and corporations can donate, and that money can be given to lower income workers. we really want to give people more control over the money they have, so they don't feel quite as dependent on their employer for that time off. in conjunction with that, we recommend a tax credit for small businesses that truly can't afford to give the kind of generous benefit packages their larger competitors can. host: you can join in the conversation and share your thoughts and your experiences. here's how we are bringing the phone lines for the segment. starting off with original phone lines among those in eastern and central time zones can call us at call (202) 748-8000. mountain pacific, the timeline is call (202) 748-8001.have a

special phone line for women working outside of the home, the number is independents, call (202) 748-8002. you can talk to is on twitter, our handle is @cspanwj. we are talking with sabrina schaeffer, executive director of the independent women's forum. you mention everything from tax reform to the minimum wage. why did you guys decide to take such an extensive -- expansive approach? years, we hadious books that cover everything from food and agriculture policy to energy policy. focus on the workplace issues that people are really concerned about. we were thinking of it in a more tailored sense, but you are correct, part of the issue is that there is a sense sometimes that we can have a simple fix and make anything better.

as more ofo see this a collage. we want to make sure we have tax reform, we get rid of certain relations that are making it harder for people to get into the workforce. we want to make sure that we also, people are being paid fairly. his accommodation of efforts. hillary clinton was at an event and fixed burger about the issue of equal pay -- she spoke about the issue of equal pay. [video clip] hillary clinton: imagine women finally get equal pay for the work we do. [applause] hillary clinton: this is not just a women's issue. this is a family issue. mother ore a wife or sister or a daughter who is working, and they are not being paid fairly and equally, when

they go to the store, when they are in the supermarket checkout line, the cashier doesn't say ok , you only have to pay $.78 on the dollar. africanu are an american woman, you only have to pay $.68 on the dollar. are a latino woman, you only have to pay $.58 on the dollar. last time i checked, there was no women's discount for failing to get equal pay in the first place. that was hillary clinton on the campaign trail. we are talking with sabrina schaeffer of the indiana women's forum. what is your thought about her comments, and should there be legislation to help close the gender wage gap? guest: this is in the know a lot of women are concerned about, as they should be. you want to be sure you are paid fairly. and there are bad employers out there, that actors who may discriminate against women.

unfortunately, i think this women that women are only paid $.78 on the dollar is grossly overstated. reflecting, groups on the left in the department of labor, all concur that when you control for any noble variables -- number of variables, there is a small wage gap, it's about four cents to six cents. then we can ask ourselves what causes that it will be can do about it. i think there are smaller things we can do to help ensure that women are being paid fairly. the thing we recommended our report is strengthening the existing equal pay act, which women are already protected under the law against baseless gender discrimination. but we can tighten some of the language up, which we recommend so that make sure that we are not -- so that the courts can really read this law accurately. and we talk about the things that women can do to make sure they're putting the best foot forward. if salary is the most important thing to you, we want to make sure that you are considering some of your choices.

there are trade-offs in everything that we do. host: we turn to the phone lines now, george from los angeles, california will be our first caller. go ahead. turned on your tv and go ahead. caller: yes, good morning. i just want to let you guys know, and all of america, that our women in this country and around the world are getting to be -- succeeding in the industry. the workforce. they've gotten very bright, they avoided been bright, they are very motivated now, you give a mouse that little piece of cheese, it's when the come for more. his women are hungry. i employ 15 women in los angeles. that is george from los angeles, california. let's get another caller and then hear from our guests, christina from freedonia,

kansas. go ahead. caller: i just think that you want to help working women like myself, leave the second amended alone. it's the great equalizer, it helps me protect myself. i also think we need to straighten out the illegal alien situation. i pay taxes. i don't want people stealing social security numbers so they can file fraudulent tax returns. it seems like the irs -- it doesn't bother them any. gap, getender wage more women working in mines and highline polls, get women to do many jobs in a way that man can do it, they will get paid better. host: christina from fredonia, kansas. sabrina schaeffer. from los angeles made a really good point, which is that women are from is the valuable and that businesses recognize that. that businesses who employ more women tend to have higher bottom lines. we after number that businesses

realize their employees are investments. sometimes this narrative that there is a big bad employer who's going to just throw women out and they're going to pay them less because they're a woman -- the reality is that people recognize how valuable women are, that they are outperforming men educationally, they are earning more bachelors degrees and masters degrees and phd's. this makes intravenously valuable to employers. we have to keep that in mind. to your second collars point, she points to the issue of taxes and our tax code. that is an area where we can really simple if i things and make it easier for women and their families. we can also make sure were not penalizing women who are going into the workforce trade if we sit back and look, a couple that is not married are paying less in taxes than the married couple, and very often that places an added burden on the married family. we want to make sure there's not this second earner tax problem and try to reform that. host: you mentioned earlier that your organization supports the

role of limited government in the private sector, limited government and other areas of the country as well. is parthink that leave of an issue, should it be a partisan issue? i think it's an economic issue in the human issue. i'm a working mom and i have three young children, i also have parents who live on the other coast. i recognize the need for leave. thato think about the fact a few years ago we hired a woman who was six months pregnant. the reason we were able to do that is because we were able to freely talk with her and negotiate what would make sense in terms of a leave package. she was coming on with just a few months before she's going to have a baby. how are we going to work together? we want to make sure that more businesses have that freedom to freely negotiate and figure out plans that work for them. what worries me is when we have a one-size-fits-all, top-down

mandate that eliminates that kind of flexibility that benefits all of us. host: what have you seen from a public and presidential candidates, or have you seen from them on this issue, will you like to see them address? have: full disclosure, we two campaigns that have come to us and asked for ideas on this. a 501(c)(3), all of our information is public. issue has gotten muffled a little bit in recent months. it was a little bit more out there front and center with carly fiorina still in the race, she was talking about it more and she had the capability to do that in a way that some of the male candidates have not been able to. is going to come up again in the general election if hillary clinton is the nominee. i think it is something the republican should be paying a lot of attention to. host: the next caller is matthew from la plata, maryland. guest mentioned about the personal savings or

personal accounts for planned pregnancies. with laws such as the affordable care act, what you will end up birth, justntrolled like china. other countries like russia, they have a health problem, because a lot of people are dying. so with a of done is they've created incentives for families to have more children. and you know, i really don't think that these more socialist programs that have more government control over the planned birth of the family, i really don't think that's good for the people and society in the long run. host: matthew, we hear you. guest: matthew, thank you for your concern. for half that articulate this clearly enough.

the personal care accounts would enable people to save in advance of having to take time off, whether it's to have a family or for other reasons in their life. it wouldn't be dictating in any way what kind of family planning they have or what kind of family would like. large or small. it would really help facilitate savings and allow employers and nonprofits to also contribute to that. comments from twitter, lighted my wife have to take sick leave from a federal job to have a child? that approach totally disrespect meant. another common says when can i expect the segment discussing programs to help working men? guest: sometimes the federal government does not have laws that are as generous as one might think in terms of women having to take sick leave. it's good to start under your own nose before you start mandating other places. the second question -- working men. i'm so glad that the follower mentioned that.

we very often emphasize that women do not live in a vacuum. i have a father, have a brother, i have a husband, i have a son. we want to make sure the policies we advance in the name of protecting women don't make men take a step back. it's really i think sometimes an unintended consequence perhaps of the larger progressive legislation aimed at helping women. host: the personal care spending accounts that you guys are proposing, would those be usable by anyone? guest: by anybody. we realize that we enjoy that men are taking a larger role in caretaking, especially as women are taking more of a role in the workplace. sure we areake allowing everybody to contribute to their family's needs. host: the next color is don from florida. caller: i just wanted to say that she is not correct in all areas of the country. i work in a situation where there are three women and one male, and twice in the last two

years, the male has gone raises and the women actually do all the work, the other two women i work with won't speak up for it a fortune 500 company. link inearly the weak the system. and still am experiencing pay inequality. thank you. guest: i'm really sorry to hear that. i would never say that discriminate and doesn't exist, or that there aren't bad employers out there who don't fairly remunerate either men or women for the work they are doing. i would remind the caller and others that there are laws in the books already are the equal pay act of 1963, the civil rights act of 1964 that you protect women under the law. if you feel as though you really truly are being discriminated against, there are options for recourse. the one thing that we really want is to eliminate the kind of laws -- and it was an effort to push things like the paycheck fairness act. we want to make sure the best

thing for women and men is that we have a robust economy with playful job creation, so if you are unhappy in your current situation, there are other options for you. that's the best way to ensure competition of wages and benefits. host: next up is steve from phoenix, arizona. go ahead. caller: good morning, thank you for c-span. , i appreciate your advancement of human causes, but i do have a question for you on the flip side. the corporations and all companies hire people for three reasons. one, productivity. my real question is, if a company sees one person at $7.80 an hour, and another person at $10 an hour, and you know they products, $20 an hour wouldn't it be most productive to hire the seven ellery seven

cents an hour person who is just as productive as the $10 an hour , while banking the other 22% profit for the corporation. and that's kind of what i'm asking. isn't the real reason that companies hire women is because for productivity, they can pay less and up their profit? guest: if that were the case with a reason, i think you would see you there were no men in any jobs out there. we are finding it an overstated issue. i think we have to remember that businesses are not quite so shortsighted, they need the best talents, they want to make sure they have some longevity with their employee tenure. they don't have to be hiring all the time. i think many more factors go into hiring. by also really encouraged number of different things that are taking place in corporate america right now to ensure that hiring is being done without bias. there are different kinds of interviews that are happening, voice recognition software that

allows people to interview without even knowing if it's a man or a woman. i really encouraged by that, and i like to think that the glass is still half-full on this one. host: you guys appointed to the minimum wage as one issue that might prove a barrier to women in the workplace. explain that. guest: one concern is that we don't want to eliminate opportunities to enter the workforce. so often, some of these laws like raising the minimum wage are presented in terms of helping low income workers. but the reality is that they create barriers to entry. we want people to be able to get into the workplace, get the experience and that first foot on the latter. we recommend lowering the minimum wage for workers under 25 years old, or people who have been unemployed for more than 90 days so that they can get back into the workplace, because sometimes what happens is it's not simply one below the minimum wage, that's it. that i should drive's wages up across the board in a company. it often leads to things like

autonation, with the condensing of jobs so that fewer people are doing more work and it means fewer job opportunities. is not that we want to see people not making more money, we just want to make sure they can get in and get a raise and move up the ladder. host: the next color is jeff from high point, north carolina. the head. caller: i wanted to say i appreciated her correcting the statistics that are often really misused on the actual gender gap when you correct for variables. i think intuitively, some of those variables, for instance, if a woman decides to make the choice to leave the workforce in business -- i'm in business, and of time and then come back, it's not about choice. but in business, you are starting over in some places, and you are affecting your career trajectory. beckett effect affect your pay. it's probably the right choice.

thaty i wanted to say america is about choice. you can choose, she stated before, to find another job if you feel your underpaid. you can choose to be an entrepreneur and started business. you can take advantage of the talent of women and pay them a better wage and bring that challenge your business and succeed in the workplace. we need to maintain choice. the last thing we need is the government top-down approaches for solutions coming into the businesses. that's what crushes jobs in our economy. thank you. guest: i really appreciate your comments. it was interesting, last summer we conducted a lot of research into what women really want in the workplace. what we found is that women want and need are very different. non-mothers versus mothers, so identified conservatives versus progressives want. want toences what they the workplace. i think you're exactly right. we want to have that flexibility

so that women can make the choices that work for them. because we don't all want or need the same things. host: your policy proposals mentioned the need for flexible workplace arrangements. what are some of the arrangements that you also just? -- you suggest? guest: we talk about reforming the fair labor standards act. these have been a place for so many years and people don't realize they are limiting on the kind of options we have trade compensation for overtime pay, or time off versus overtime pay. we want to make sure we are limiting some of the burdensome regulations out there, licensing relations and fees that make it harder for people to get into some of those jobs that actually allow for that kind of flex ability. there are the 9-to-5 jobs. -- they are not the 9-to-5 jobs. we don't think about reforming the work place from the top down, but we allow for flex ability. host: from las cruces, mexico, good morning. caller: good morning.

i just went to the internet, and it's a fabulous thing, and it says the institute for civil to -- the independent women's forum an anti-feminist organization that is founded by the koch brothers. you were recently created to defend clarence thomas and the new york times has described you as a policy group that provides pseudo-feminist support for extreme positions that are in fact dangerous to women. people have called in saying that in the workforce, women get paid the same. it seems to me that what you are saying is that women should be penalized for having children. i think c-span should identify these organizations. you had on some of these other

institutions, but they are not cases. host: that's tom. the internet does sales were to terrible things about the independent women's forum, but the reality is that i'm a feminist i believe equality under the law. talk about modern feminism, women who stand for limited government. and who believe they are independent from governments. that is a more accurate description of who we are. i can't stop all this land are out there, but i very much like women and men and i hope that we are advancing opportunity for both of them. from west end, north carolina. go ahead. yes, i've been listening to sabrina this morning. word have not heard one this woman says that is either truthful or make sense.

i am 70 plus years old and it worked in society for all of my life. this woman has no idea what she's talking about. men discriminate against women in every business in this country. women are paid less, they are treated poorly, and it is time for women like this woman to take a dive under a rock somewhere. host: brenda from west end, north carolina. guest: i'm sorry to hear that you have had such a negative experience. i don't think you are alone in your views. research we have done says that 74% of women believe that this rumination is at least somewhat of a problem in the workplace. which is striking to me. i think it is out there, and we would try to deny that at all. i just don't get quite as pervasive a problem as others do. i think that women have demonstrated their success in businesses recognize that, and the idea of the gender wage gap is overstated. i would encourage you to look at some of the groups on the left

to have said the same thing. the american association of university women put out a study , the research found the wage gap is also about six cents, the permanent labor has done research for the same thing. it's not just coming from a right-leaning organization like mine. gender wagebout the gap, can you break down for us the difference between male and female pay, and mother pay, for women who have children in the workplace, versus women overall versus men. guest: i think what you are getting at is that the wage gap, the $.77 on the dollar compares full-time workingmen to full-time working women without controlling for any factors. have a taken time out of the workforce, how long did they spend in the office each day, which is a major in college, what industry are they in? when you control for those variable, which go into determining salary, that's when the wage gap shrinks. 5% gap that 56 -- that

exists, some of it may be discriminate in, some of the navy women's choices women saying we are talking a lot more about speaking out in negotiating your salary, asking for more. this takes time, having these are wonderful tools, nobody spoke to me about that when i graduate college. it is certainly something i will talk to my daughters about. i think you're going to see his wage gap shrunk even further. host: john from owings, maryland. john, good morning. caller: good morning. i've been working as a manager, as an engineer, under union organizations for the last four years. currently i manage an organization. ,e have a multicultural predominantly male workforce. in the union environment, it woman is paid equally for the work of a man. in our field, is highly technical. at the same time, highly

visible. the guys kind of feel like they are being discriminated against in the physical aspect, and as a manager, have to utilize my assets the best way i can. the women did tend to work at the computer while the guys tend to work with the tools. it's just physically the right way to do things. i would suggest that in our society, unions are the answer to any wage discrimination by race, by gender, whatever. but when a woman makes the choice to exit the workforce to do the most important function she has as a human being, that is give birth to a child, i would say a woman is probably better adapted to raising a child than a man. then i would suggest that that is part of this wage crisis. thank you very much. guest: it is so nice to hear from you. i think this is why we also focus on reforming our tax code. back into the

workforce, we don't want them to be penalized. i think because they often are the second earner, or they may be making less than their spouse , they are being taxed at that same higher rate as their spouse. it takes them double the amount of work to actually get the benefits. we really want to see that marginal tax rate for the second earner comes down, and allow them to earn more before they enter a higher tax bracket. i think that will go a long way to make work pay for women. i think it's important when women leave the workforce that we don't make it impossible for them to enter in any kind of meaningful way. host: i want to share this chart vox that showsm the number of countries that have paid leave of some format, versus those that do not. you can see those in red have no paid leave, that's the u.s. and a few other small nations as well. some countries have paid leave

that totals 26 weeks or more. why have countries -- other countries in the world found that this model works for them, but doesn't seem to work in the u.s.? times these of countries are smaller, and much smaller population. in many cases, they are much more homogenous in terms of what the people who live there and more similar decisions that people want. that is fine for those countries. if you look more closely at the data in those countries, it often we find there is unintended consequences to such generous leave policies. people are concerned in america that we have an underrepresentation of women in -suite. when you encourage women so wonderfully to stay out of the workplace for so long, and i should discourages women from going back into the workplace. previous caller mentioned, one to spend time outside of the workforce, gets harder to sort of make up for that lost time.

it a lot of times these laws sound nice, but they have unintended consequences on women's success in earning potential. host: next colors gary from cottage hill, indiana. the morning, gary. caller: i would just like to say that i understand there is a lot of unfairness and discrimination against females in the workforce. it will make you feel any better, i surely got your back. a job is a job. weather is a man or woman doing it, i don't think it should be contingent on gender. the bottom line should be productivity, dependability, and qualifications. they should be nothing more to it. i just wanted to let you find people know that that's how i feel about it. thank you. this is from desoto, kansas. diane, you are on the air. caller: good morning.

my comment with regard to the cost of childcare and availability of childcare. looking back, when i was young and my daughter is raising her know there are child care tax credits and the earned income tax credit. but that is it year after you are working for sometimes. there needs to be some way to make -- reverse those payments upfront so that people can afford to go work in the first place. i'm so glad you brought up the issue of childcare. it is a big concern for all working moms. we actually recommend a couple of different things in our report, the first is to consolidate and reform those tax credits you're talking about. there are several out there. we like to allow them to be more money that can go back into individuals who can afford the different arrangements that work for them. often, people want to piece together different childcare rates with maybe a family member were childcare facility. we want to make sure people have

the funds necessary to do that. we also think we should eliminate some of the regulations that are currently placed on daycare systems. of course, we all want our children to be in a safe, nurturing environment. but very often, government adds regulations that are simply not having a measurable effect on the quality of care. we can rein in some of those regulations, we could decrease costs and give more and more options. expanding 529age accounts, which are in education savings vehicle. we all know your needs change tremendously from the time your child is a toddler until when they are in elementary school and beyond. we want to give parents the flexibility to save for things that are not just childcare, the perhaps they're going to need a tutor or a computer at some point. we want to give parents more options to save without being penalized by the government. host: next up is david from spring, texas.

good morning. caller: good morning. ms. sabrina, i'm very frustrated in regards to the presentation of a glorious steinem approach to women, women's rights, and their place in the workplace. it begins with number one, education. daughters, they are grown now and in professional fields. i had a mother that was in a professional field. they all pretty well described what i'm going to touch on, which is four basic points you are overlooking. number one, education. right now, we have almost 28% of all women -- from the time they enter high school, and that's if they enter high school, because often times, there is pregnancy

prior, in the junior high. from high school to senior high, 28% of women do not graduate from high school. let me back up with some figures here. minorities,s to blacks, 52% of women drop out. two, 36 or 37% of hispanics drop out. that's 17%e, quite, or 18% of white women drop out of high school. minimum wage. is women wage, most of the time, is paid into entry-level positions, such as the drive-by window of a mcdonald's. waitress in a small

restaurant, a community restaurant or they work at the swimming pool, or any number of thousands of job positions that a teenager wanting to make money to pay for school fees and activities, and to have their first date. host: we will have to leave it there to make sure we bring in more colors. but sabrina schaeffer. guest: i appreciate your call. the issue of education is a very important one that we didn't address in this particular report. if you visit our website, we are strong advocates for educational freedom in giving all families of all races and all he can on the backgrounds more choice in where they are able to send their children to school, so the kids are not trapped in failing schools. i think we are on the same page in an agreement on that. in the same on the minimum wage. we also believe and we talked about in our report that we do

not want to create barriers to entry into the workforce. we want to make sure that people have more opportunity to get a job and to get on that first rung of the latter. that a from data majority of minimum wage workers move up and get a raise within the first year. it's very encouraging. misty from johnson city, tennessee is up next. go ahead. caller: yes, ma'am. i just have one question. me, my ability to plan when i had my family very much helps me get where i am today. i was just wondering in that respect, what does the independent women's forum stands on a woman's right to choose? thank you. iws -- iwf does not take

a position on abortion. our focus is on economic policy. there are lots of women's groups that do it great job on both sides of that issue, we leave it to them to focus on that. host: joseph from new york, pennsylvania is our next color. -- our next caller. caller: i think the government and organizations like yours take the core values away from the home. my wife, we raised four children here at the house. she has worked since high school. obviously, she doesn't collect social security. i think the emphasis should be more on home care and raising united states citizens, i think it would be a lot better place if we had those core values of home. and nothing they can't go out and be a member of society, not saying that it all. but i think the emphasis should be on raising children, populating and having core family values. host: joseph from york,

pennsylvania. thank you for your comments. i agree with you that very often the conversation seems to diminish the value women who choose to be at home with children. feel saddenedways by that. i think it's a wonderful that women have. i also know that from looking at data from the pew research center, only about 23% of working moms say they would choose to work full-time. i think most women, some are out they have career aspirations. many are working in order to make in me. nds meet.e ed a lot of people depend on to income households. schaeffer, with the independent women's forum. thank you for joining us this morning. coming up next, we're joined by maya rockeymoore, president and

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join us today. we will be life beginning at noon. "washington journal" continues. host: she is the president and ceo of the center for policy solutions. she is discussing a report, why the racial gap costs the u.s. billions of dollars. thank you for being here. tell us what the report found herein -- found. guest: the proportionality of people of color in the labor market versus people of color representing privately held up justices with employees. that between 2007 and 2012, there was a large number of people of color firms who were privately held.

they actually grew. created ine new jobs the aftermath of the recession and thing 2007 and 2012 for people of color owned firms. that is great. the report found that if you actually look at the number of people of color who are actually working in full-time jobs and the labor market and compare that to their proportionality of businesses owned privately by people of color, these are businesses with employees, people of color firms are underrepresented among privately held firms. or a notion ofy equity in our report is comparing how many people of firms there are with their representation in the labor market. what does this lack of representation cost the united

states? guest: it is stunning. 9 costs the u.s. in terms of million jobs lost because we do not have a proportional representation. income ison in worker lost i the u.s. because we don't have this kind of parity. there are one million businesses that do not exist, one million missing of businesses. host: what you suggesting as a solution? aest: we think there are number of policy solutions and even practical considerations. we call on some tax credits to incentivize businesses because the issue facing people of color firms tend to be a lack of access to capital and a lack of formal education and lack of

experience working in businesses that give them that credibility. we need to have a structured mechanism for strengthening success of businesses held by people of color. venturetax credit for capital firms that want to invest in people of color firms. tax.nt a refundable we call for age-appropriate culturally appropriate education within the formal school system about business education and financial literacy. business ownership in entrepreneurship technical education, there are things we can do formally through our school system to educate younger people about the importance of entrepreneurship. this is an opportunity for them.

in on thecan join conversation. these are the phone nines. we are going to party lines. we also have a special line open for minority business owners. tell us about your organization. guest: we are a 501(c)(3) organization. we are advancing health, education, civic success of out -- diverse populations. that we need to be paying attention to issues of race and ethnicity in this country because of our changing demographics. theave a dilemma with

changing demographics happening so rapidly. these populations that are going to become the majority of the nation are among the most inginalized economically america. that is a recipe for disaster. we are committed to making recommendations and engaging an act 70's that will propel the nation toward a more inclusive and diverse and fair society. that isave a nation truly a representative democracy. host: we want to break down some of the findings in the report. here is a chart that shows the change in the number of firms and labor force participation by ethnicity and gender. firmsn see the number of from 2007 to 2012 owned by asian-american women rose by one third.

asian-american men, 22.5%. these are big lanes for people of color in terms of the number of firms that opened during these years. these are very difficult years economically. why did we see these big gains? that tends to be the refrain that you hear when it comes to people of color in the labor market. what happened during the people ofwas many color were laid off in greater proportion's then white workers. they put the shoe leather to the street and created businesses. that is phenomenal. it's phenomenal that they were able to create these businesses. it was great that we saw so much growth from people of color

owning firms. host: we will turn to the phone lines. our first caller is from los angeles, california. caller: i think this is a fantastic topic. i would like to add that when you use the term "people of color" it's ambiguous. it's vague. i don't know why we began using this term. i think you have repeated it 100 times. host: what do you propose using instead? caller: the data tells us when we talk about people of color, that's a vague term. black people lose out every single time. affirmative action, who has benefited most from affirmative action? white women have most.

they are considered minorities in some respects. you think of latinos. they are outstripping african americans regarding business ownership. these are vague and ambiguous and i wish the people would get on television and use specifically what is happening to black america. this is very important. host: we hear you this morning. guest: we are concerned about the full spectrum, not just african-americans. we have a breakdown by race and ethnicity and gender. we know when this port what's happening to black women, black men, latino men and women relative to the labor market. to capture the essence of what's in the report. we certainly have a breakdown by

race, ethnicity, business status. there are certainly trends in here that will be very interesting to. we should know that african american women overall are increasing their numbers in terms of business ownership. is africanturbing american women are the least likely to have privately held businesses with employees. that's very disturbing. in terms of the report, we found that between 2007 and 2012 even though african-american women increased their numbers among owners, they were the group that had the largest decline in sales. there are challenges for african-american women. businessesm creating but not finding the success in

terms of having a privately held businesses with employees. most of the businesses held high black and latino women are single full proprietorships. the fine challenges like that taste on subpopulation groups. we also find success. the report shows that african-american men were the only group among the 10 that we analyzed that lost a number of firms between 2007 and 2012. their sales increased. were among only for groups that actually experienced an increase in sales during the great recession. we have all of those breakdowns. i understand your concern. we are just getting started and we can break it down even further. thank you for providing that input. here is a chart that shows

the underrepresentation of byinesses by both gender and racial and ethnic groups. this is a chart from the center for global policy. george is on the republican line. caller: good morning. i grew up in abject poverty. i was in vietnam. worked in a civil service job. i want to ask what's happening to lax in america.

i have to answer the charges. we believe in dreams. many.are so americans -- i don't know he's african because he's black. where did he get the term african american? that's all i want to say about that. this is what i want to say about businesses. i learned office procedure. i got married.

host: we have to leave it there. it's been a little bit hard to hear you. the phone line was not the best. guest: it sounds like he grew up in west philadelphia. he went to vietnam. he has some anxiety about race. he is concerned that the emphasis was on people of color and perhaps whites are discriminated against. i could not disagree more. we are looking at portion and the labor market versus privately held firms with employees. we think this is a critical issue for the nation. there is no reason why people of any race or ethnicity should find this agenda troubling.

the fact of the matter is that those 1.1 million more businesses owned by people of color, those 9 million jobs. that $300 billion in worker income, that's a boom for the nation. who not just for the people own the business. it's a boom for the nation. we should stop thinking of this as a zero-sum game. this is an opportunity for us to clouseau and inclusion is important if we are trying to get to a representative democracy that is fair and diverse. if we think of it as a zero-sum game, then we are headed toward a destiny that looks like the 1950 america. pre-1950 america.

white men are still dominant in the privately held business space. they are only 40% of the labor market they are 57% of those who own privately held distances with employees. -- businesses with employees. lost jobs and lost sales because of the concentration of white men in the construction industry. the housing market crashed. the construction market went with it. were men because they overrepresented in that industry took a hit. 2012, it was still the highest number of business owners among privately held businesses with employees. they had the highest number of employees in these types of firms. they had the highest sales numbers.

this is not a zero-sum game. white men are still doing well. we can all do well by doing good for all. is in tennessee on the independent line. caller: good morning. is as we see walmart and the big-box retailers move into smaller communities and , we'vet local businesses seen them here in tennessee, how does that affect minority owned business and how do you propose thosedle people with challenges from the big-box stores? guest: that's an excellent question. planning, we often

think of big-box stores coming to town and been a great thing in terms of adding jobs to the economy. often they displace small owners who provided all kinds of goods and services that the big-box stores takeover. that's not just in rural america. it's an urban america as well. we've seen empowerment zones in new york and other places in underserved areas. they displace the mom-and-pop store. ruralme thing happens in america. it displaces the small business owners. i think there is a way to have a win-win. planningers who are whatever communities inviting the stores in, they need to be cognizant of the displacement and plan fort. give small businesses certain

advantages that allow them to compete effectively. allow them the support they need to thrive and survive in the face of these incursions. host: i want to bring in rob from illinois. tell us about your business. pizza franchise in chicago. the problem is it's hard to get black and other minorities to start it up. you hope that they are going to take over and increase the business, they just don't want to. i struggle because i've given every opportunity i can. i don't know where you get these numbers. every time i give them

opportunity, it ever gets done. they live check to check and they blow the money. host: what are some of the challenges that face minority entrepreneurs? guest: the biggest problem is lack of wealth. we held a summit on capitol hill. we hold it annually. we are focused on the racial wealth gap. we need to close it. we have a population of people of color who are growing in the nation and many of them are among the most marginalized historically families and households. ethnic wealthand gap. it's startling in scope. for every one dollar of wealth held high a typical white household, african-americans own six cents and latinos own seven

cents. from wealth.ferent the even see a huge disparity in income. in avery dollar in income white household, african-americans and latinos combined earned $.67. we have these disparities. the reason is historical and contemporary. you have the native american population who had their wealth stolen. were forced into assimilation policies. they were discriminated against. when you have an african-american population that andin slaved literally unable to profit from their own labor and then go into a system where there was economics education -- segregation. there was collusion between

government and business in terms of public policy and practice that discriminated was sanctioned into the system. currently, it continues today. we see discrimination in the market. we see financial services. we see mortgages. we see people of color being charged more for oranges compared to similarly situated whites. that is nonsensical. fire we penalizing people of color for their success? why does the market penalize them? the is unacceptable in united states of american. host: one of your speakers was elizabeth born. >> buying a home is the number one way to build wealth. it is the retirement plan. it is the college plan.

if you need to borrow against the house. it is emergency saving. it's the inheritance for the next generation. it is the economic foundation of a secure foothold in the middle class. century,of the 20th that's how it worked. generationion after of white americans, but not for black americans. legal structure was built to prevent african-americans from building economic security through homeownership. segregation,ced land contracts, coming out of the great depression, america built a middle-class but andematically discriminated kept most african-american families from being a part of.

the civil rights movement was also an economic movement. during the 1960's, there was some progress in closing the racial wealth gap. during the reagan years of the 1980's, that gap exploded. and nine, the000 wealth app between black families and white families tripled. think about what that means. if things weren't already bad enough by then, the crash of 2008 made them worse. the housing collapse destroyed trillions of dollars in family wealth across the country. familiesrican-american like a punch in the gut. aboutwe are talking global policy solutions.

do you think the obama administration has done enough to help minority families recover from the financial crisis? guest: no. absolutely not. to do whaty've tried they thought they could within the political parameters they found themselves in. they created a harp and all of these programs. chargingicipated in fines and fees to some of these that actors who are overcharging people of color in terms of mortgages. we do not know. programslike these have not been effective. the people who were hurt the most by the twin housing and financial crises have not been restored. even the wall street journal and

money and all of these publications have been saying household wealth has been restored following the recession. it's not true. it's not true for households of color. there is not enough data, particularly on the settlements in terms of where the money has gone and if people of color have gotten money to spend. host: what support have you seen on capitol hill? guest: there is great support on capitol hill. elizabeth warren is a champion. is a champion. progressive policymakers have been supportive of this agenda. this is a bipartisan issue. republicans have historically

had an argument about wealth creation. we have reached out for the last number of years to republicans to come to our summit and participate in the launch of our report because we think this is a bipartisan issue. they have always talked about small business. they have always talked about the prioritization of wealth creation. we are talking about this agenda. we are talking about asset holding in america and we have been unable to partner with any republicans in the house or senate and we have reached out repeatedly to multiple people. we are wanting -- wondering if the "of color" these is the problem. there are deep partnerships that we have on the democratic side of the aisle. we also want republican partnerships. bipartisanis is so

that we should be moving it now together. host: we will turn back to the phone lines. go ahead. hello? caller: the reason i am calling for have so much aberration after the endcampanale he of slavery, black people filled to unite among themselves. slavery is the cause of the condition, even today. i am a paying somebody specialist. tohave struggled so hard these jobs. six educated all of my

children, they are successful. the point i want to make is if you do not take opportunities presented to you to learn a trade, and stop trying to reach beyond your means, and i'm not eating critical of my own kind because i know what i'm talking about -- as quick as they get to dollars, they want to go out and tryingr it, instead of to reach the caucasian people. , thehave used this time caucasians, to keep control over the blacks. if the blacks with stop being so critical of each other, and be more appreciative -- i had a serious time trying to get the blacks -- we must support your own business. host: let's bring in one more

caller, then we will hear from the guest. that will be simone from tennessee, a minority business owner. caller: i want to thank maya for her role helping minorities and people of the african color. i have two businesses. i have the american institute of research and technology. i train women who have been incarcerated. company, aher diamond construction company. i put men back to work who have also been incarcerated. once again, i want to thank maya , she is doing a great job. my think i see is getting back to the basics, which is the family. we need to focus more on the

family. when we do that, we are able to .ring the family together, we all need to work. we all need to wake up, and come together, and help all races of people. this is one of the things that dr. martin luther king was talking about. we need to work together. i think women are going to be now.to take on roles i believe all races will come together, and i believe the president will be mrs. clinton. i don't know what everybody thinks of that, but i see women coming to this role right now.

guest: i feel really good about what you said. is -- m of the summit theme of the summit is the inclusion revolution. we feel very strongly that we need to be coming together, nobody should be left behind. all this stuff about singling on, excluding people based race, is the -- the united states of america is addition of immigrants. the fact of the matter is we need to be talking about inclusion, diversity, fairness. we need to make this economy and society work for all. i absolutely agree with you in the sentiment of coming together. host: the next caller is alejandro from new york. good morning. caller: i have heard a lot of

things being discussed about governmental policies and historical background. the previousrom caller from georgia, i wonder what it is we should try to do, as a culture, what we should change about american culture, and try to ensure that the distribution of wealth and business practices reflect our adequately. guest: thank you for the question. this is not just an issue of what we do with government policy, it is what we do to support education, what we do to properly invest in training, what we do to invest in job creation. not just random job creation, but targeted to populations that have experienced his store

unemployment rates. it is also about culture. i wrote a piece that you can find online that talks about hollywood and the controversy around the last oscars. people think, that is just hollywood. but, this is about democracy. when the representations we see on television, in the movies, that we read about junot reflect america, people get in their minds a false notion about what this nation is supposed to look like. we see that reinforced in terms of how we do our public policymaking, and in terms of how we think about populations. when you consistently see stereotypes,ith then you tend to think about these populations in terms of these. about whoare thinking

is deserving and who is undeserving. the issue of hollywood is not separated. the issue of culture is not separated from the issue of democracy and public policy. i think you for bringing up that -- thank you for bringing up that question. ast: marshall, you are mi minority business owner as well. an onlinem a ceo for business, the only online dollar store. the issue that i think is a major problem is i have been in business for 20 years. it is capital. access to capital is the issue. i don't think it is education. every group has educated, uneducated, people who learn. i have been on the technical side for a long time. most of the people i know are african-american, educated people. we all have the exact same problem. no capital.

i don't care if you have collateral, what the circumstance is. we can get people to do the work , we can train people. the problem is, when we go to the bank, we cannot get capital. what disturbs me the most is unless it is through government programs, it is literally no money. guest: that actually is the number one free simply point to reason weort -- one point to in the report. not only lacking access through family wealth, but through formal institutions, such as banks. historiceen discrimination particularly against african-americans and latinos. the access to capital has not

been sufficient for the need. as i mentioned earlier, we call on several things. is week i did not mention tax credits. to changehat we need the way we do credit scoring. not only should be looking to trade the scoring measures, we should also be looking to diversify what we count as credits. currently, the way the credit model is structured, it is inherently discriminatory as well. isess to cap rupees .ncredibly important

we have yet to see it brought to scale. your point is well taken and i thank you for the point. he is on the, that line. go ahead. caller: thank you for letting me beyond. i appreciate c-span. i am a business owner. being a business owner in the midwest, we do not start our businesses with much capital. i am a cosmetologist. when i started the business, i started with a very smallbeing t of money, just enough to start the business. i could not borrow money. i did not have the capital, or whatever to borrow the money. i had to start, and i have had to work hard all this time. guest: where did you get the

money? aller: i had to borrow from bank. i could only borrow a limited amount because i did not have a lot of capital. i have been in business now for 46 years. i'm not young. i am 74 years old. i'm still working because i cannot stop working. out here talk about -- in the midwest, we've this in a completely different area, a a lotent need, probably of people would say we live in poverty level, but we are not. host: all right. a point,tty brings up and that is that she started with a small amount of money which reinforces the previous point i made about micro-lending and the importance of micro-lending.

fromhe was able to get it a bank. we have too many people of color who are not able to even qualify for a small loan from a bank. i am a business owner. i started my firm with my home equity from a home that i but years ago in washington, d.c.. the data shows that many of color, african-americans and latinos specifically, are using what they can from the sources they can get a hold of, often unofficial sources to start these businesses that we talk about. there is discretionary lending still taking place, and it is simply unacceptable. smittyhe next caller is from arizona. caller: what we are missing here

is the big picture. thelast time i checked, single mom birth rates in the black community was in the neighborhood of 75%. living on welfare, you are not going to save a whole lot of money. smitty, i have to take issue with you. between 2007 and 2012, privately held minority businesses contributed 1.3 million jobs to the u.s. economy. a lot of those were driven by women of color. we have data that shows, over the last two decades, african-american women have been driving the number of increased in america. you know, when you're sitting there, talking about people on welfare, you are a touring the youe of the action shows -- are ignoring the data that actually shows women of color

are not sitting at home begging for a check. they are starting businesses in great numbers. host: we're talking with maya rockeymoore from the center for global policy solutions. when you look at the president shall candidates, to think that anyone is addressing the needs of minority onto the newest -- entrepreneurs? caller: we had a 2016 -- we called it the presidential wealth challenge. globalgo to our website, institute.com, you will find it. we made calls to post sides of the aisle. donald trump says he is a wealth creator. well, what is his plan for america?

we did not get a response. we did get a response from hillary clinton, from bernie sanders, and from then candidate martin o'malley. we held one hour calls with each of those campaigns to talk about in racial wealth gap homeownership, and her new ship -- entrepreneurship. we are encouraged by secretary clinton's platform, and what we are hearing come from the sanders camp. we are looking for more information from the republican side of the aisle. this is a bipartisan agenda. we expect to hear from you. the next president of the united states will represent all americans, which means you have to speak to the issues of people of color. host: the of time for one last caller, that will be sherry.

caller: thank you so much. here in virginia, we are working very hard to celebrate the 400 anniversary of the first africans who came to shore in 16 monroe. -- 1619 in fort that is also where the first of the enslaved gains freedom before the civil war, two years before the emancipation proclamation. we would like fort monroe be recognized as a national venue, and would love to have the support of your organization. i would like to follow up, and make sure you understand exactly what we are doing. thank you very much for what you are doing. it is critically important to understand how the roots of slavery in terms of what our present-day issues are. until we understand that, we

cannot beyond that. thank you for the work that you do. and i would left to make sure we can follow up for your support. guest: thank you very much for that remark. glad to hear that you all are doing a lot of planning around that, and i do look forward to hearing more about your plans and how we can pu possibly collaborate. host: thank you for joining us. coming up, we will talk to carolyn lukensmeyer from the university of arizona. she will talk about ways to soften civil discourse during a campaign season. our guest on "newsmakers" is robert mcdonald. [video clip] satisfaction about . this wait time thing has taken

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congress. ultimately, the measure of satisfaction is what is important, and, to veterans the v.a.? over 50% of veterans love coming to the v.a.. we are working hard to improve access. >> you measure wait time not from wendy gretchen makes the call, but when he talks -- >> does it matter? veteran if hethe calls and is three weeks before he gets a call back. >> the important thing is getting veterans and for care. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we're joined now by carolyn lukensmeyer, the executive director of the university of arizona's national institute for civil discourse.

she is also previously the founder of an award-winning nonprofit that tried to engage people through public policy tools and policies. she also served as washington chief of staff from 1993 to 1994. thank you for being with us. the national institute of civil discourse, we have not heard a lot of civil discourse lately. tell us what your organization does. guest: the institute was created the011 after gabby gifford, assassination attempt on her life in tucson. she was an official who worked in a completely bipartisan way. the of arizona and tucson came together very quickly saying, we have to make something good come out of this horrible tragedy. founded in order to see

impact on the an political dysfunction that now dominates our country. host: how do you do that? guest: we work with three target withs here in congress, state legislators, and with journalists and the public. one of the things that is really unfortunate about where we are in the country is our mass media messages and political messages are all negative. if you dig beneath that, in states and communities, and sometimes nationally, there are a lot of positive things happening that can give us hope the situation we are in. americans are ashamed, frustrated. those are the words we hear in every community we go to. does a shandwick

civility poll every two years. in the 2016 polling, 95% of americans say that incivility is a serious problem. 77% of americans recognize that we are losing stature in the world. 64% say they have just stopped watching politics altogether. you know, the statistic that worries me the most, 37% of americans, almost 40%, say they think that is the way it is now, that is how politics has to be. host: you can join in on our conversation with carolyn lukensmeyer. we're going back to traditional phone lines for this segment. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. ts, (202) 745-8002.

you can also send a message on twitter, @cspanwj. you say that the majority of americans feel that this discourse is the way it is. now orin a unique time has it been this way always? guest: the judgment is that incivility in our politics and communities is the worst it has been since reconstruction. there is no question that we slope inn a downward terms of our lack of respect for each other when we speak, the ideological absolutism about issues. when people agree on an issue, they don't hear each other's or to hear enough

about why they hold those issues. host: what have you found is driving this polarization of the public and heated rhetoric we hear on both sides of the aisle s?rug guest: many structural issues, too much money in politics, the driveat primaries work to the parties to the extreme. extraordinaryst statesman have been driven out of their work in washington by primarycally divided process. frankly, another piece that you would speak about is the media's business model has changed in a way in which so much more of what is covered in mass media about politics is really celebrity and entertainment,

rather than driven by news. these structural issues, it took us decades ticket here. it will take us decades to reverse that direction. that means that today, making a difference about this today, we have to rely on people. it has to be about how americans, who are very disappointed, and tend to disengage -- what we need to do is step in and speak up. we need to let the congressman know that they should hold hearings for the supreme court justice because that is constitutional. politicians need to hear from constituents. it is not ok for me, as one of constituents, it is not ok for me for you to jump on the

anti-muslim rhetoric bandwagon. the best approach is understanding that the vast majority of us want this to change. the only way it will change is if we speak up. host: are you affiliated with any political party? guest: i should have said that. we are completely nonpartisan. the american democracy is a very unique system. anyas built to not allow majority to control a policy discussion, how resources are used. compromise was the essence of the american political system. yet, we have now, in this ideological war, there are people who say that compromise, by definition, is against my ideological stand. host: let's turn to the phone

lines to montana, tom, good morning. caller: i attempted a sporting event at the university of arizona. it was a three day event. i would like the person sitting there to attend a sporting event at her school, and see how uncivil the people are, the players, the coaches, and the crowd. tell me how you would react to that. guest: i'm very sorry you had that experience. my guess is that is an experienced replicated at sporting events all over this country at this particular point in time. it is unacceptable. that is not what should happen in collegiate sports at any time. we have almost made sports like theater, a place where

people get out their emotions and are uncivil to other spectators and teams. again, i'm very sorry you had that experience. unfortunately, i know it is not just at the university of arizona. robert is next on the independent line. caller: good morning. look, i definitely understand theaterthat it seems like all s reporting seems to be closed off to citizens. i'm a disabled phenom vegan. i reported some veterans being ofsed, and the secretary veterans affairs under george bush came to intervene. ever since then, i have blackballed, by devout, things i could not believe. 4 vietnamd for via --

veteran friends commit suicide over this behavior. americans areve like this. guest: thank you very much. i know the issue is very profound for veterans, frankly for those of afghanistan and iraq. one thing that the institute for civil discourse has done, in order to give people more of her voice, we have created a software program that works with texting on your phone. we from that program on thecally for th issue of suicide. robert, you might want to take your phone and text the number word, "start."

no, no veteran should have to go through what some growth through in terms of getting adequate medical care wednesday return. i hope you have tried to contact your congressman, another way that should kick your -- get your voice heard. host: you have also launched text-talk-act for millennials. guest: yes. after the shooting of elementary children in newtown, president obama called for a discussion on mental health. six or initiations collaborated. more than 300 communities have participated deeply in this. youngy, when we saw how people are ready to stand up and say the stigma that has impacted health in this country is

wrong, we actually created this platform that i spoke about. we did several focus days. april 19 was the last one. our partners were college campus groups. more than 5000 young people across the united states participated four days ago. we will do it again on may 5. part of why i am here is we need to do this not just on issues of mental health. we need to do it on the election campaign we are in. we will launch the same platform which will be text-talk-vote to enable millennials to look at the issues. completely again, nonpartisan. hopefully that will be support and motivation for them to vote in 2016. crack ism new jersey,

a -- craig is on the line. caller: you are talking about civility. you don't need to go any further than listen to the radio. somebody like rush limbaugh. totally non-civil. they call people names on the radio. they say things that they could never get away with saying on tv. it goes on hour after hour after hour. i think he has a three-hour show at night. i would challenge you to turn it on and listen to all three hours. it literally makes you sick. guest: your point is very well taken. you have focused on the rush limbaugh program. unfortunately, that is an arena where americans feel that all fact,s of media, in millennials will say it is the

sphere that is the most detrimental in their lives. the americans feel that media is part of the problem. that is another thing our organization is reporting on. m inonvened with the newseu washington. 35 working journalists from all medium -- television, newspapers, and the internet, and we engage them in a conversation. instability in the media, what can journalist do about it? that was so inspiring, we have moved to the next phase, which but ringingeeper, together civilians -- bringing together civilians and

journalists themselves. we did that in ohio. .hio is a swing state people might not know more money is spent on media. it is hundreds of millions of dollars, mostly negative, and the public is sick of it. in the workshop, where we brought together all three aspects that make the democracy work, american should know, 30 news outlets in ohio are collaborating on a strategy during the campaign to engage candidates not necessarily on predefined platforms, but on things like the economy, immigration. when candidates come to these media outlets, they are asking the questions that the citizens nt toio most one to -- oncwa hear about. we will have a chance to see the impact at the end of the cycle.

host: what was the reaction from the participants? guest: young people of color in the state of ohio, very passionate about experiences they had about what they called food or suppression, groups.arly of minority the gentleman who had been president of the senate for two wass, a leader in ohio aghast to hear what you heard because he had tried to make it easier to vote. we had these two realities sitting in the same room. unfortunate, in most environments, if that clash had

happened, it would result in lack of respect, serious conflicts. in the context of where we were working, the young people of color, and this former president of the senate has worked together to say, this is real, some people did not get to blow, this is real, we have done good work in ohio, but present both pieces of data to the current secretary of state and see what we can do about it for 2016. the point is we put americans in the context, whether they are elected officials, citizens, journalists, when they feel safe enough to speak with is true to them, but they also commit to listening respectfully, they do exactly what the tocqueville said about us -- they let go of

differences and come together to say, how can we solve this problem? charles from richmond, virginia is joining the conversation next. go ahead. caller: i'm listening to what the lady is saying. i think about one particular republican, i'm not recalling his name. the he is doing is purging republican party. it has been in bad shape for the last 8-10 years. we talk about civility, let's talk about what these politicians are saying. lie toian should not people and tell kids, especially the young people, what they can do and have. it will turn off these computer

from voting later. if you expect to get them to vote, you have to tell them the truth. you have another politician talking about getting rid of the irs. who will take up the money? guest: your point is very well taken. i think one of the things that americans are really concerned rhetoric int the this presidential primary fearful, as many are and predicting it will be worth or as bad in the general because these people running for president themselves are using language to make it seem like it is ok to be violent under certain circumstances. you have young people all over the country held up to us as role models this way. bullygins to make it ok to ful y

if i am in high school, or we have examples in elementary school where small white children say to people of color, if so-and-so is president, you will not be in school. this is outrageous. host: is there a chicken and egg issue here? some candidates would say they are respecting the anger that already exists and concerns that exist among the american populace. guest: that is the question that comes up on the time. this is a place where there is tremendous data to say that the creation of this hyper partisanship and absolutism about values started first with elected officials in congress. it is now impacting and pulling

more people with them. to date, it is still true that our people are more likely to stay civil then our politicians. host: mike, go ahead. good morning. caller: good morning, ladies. in my view, the ideological in my experience, effective. very civility is patriotic. i believe see press deserves a lot of the blame. coverageogue with more than all other candidates combined, that might be merited, if he were not that stupid. he is a one trick pony.

he reliably reacts with fallacies. please?ve your comment, that: there is no question most americans, whatever their party affiliation, would agree with you that at the beginning of this campaign, the amount of earned media given to particular candidates did not, at that point, reflect a following of the american public. it has turned into a following of the american public. is welllieve your point taken. it comes back to traditional shifting journalism over the last decade. at this point in time, six families own all of the broadcast and print elements available to the american public.

the model has shifted to an entertainment-celebrity type coverage versus what was judicially more true, the media as a source of information across the ideological spectrum on issues accurately as, what can the public do in terms of pushing back on the shift. hometown, what media you watch, when you see something that is unacceptable to you, we mostly feel like there is nothing we can do about it, but it can make a difference if people pick up the phone and called the broadcast station, or youru write a letter to newspaper, it can make a difference. we really have to come together as the american public and

provide civility. it is the patriotic value. it is part of the core sense of how we can come together across two plus centuries and fashion such an extraordinary economy and culture was so much difference from the beginning. we have now fallen back to treating differences as if it is a problem, instead of recognizing it as it has always been, and extraordinary asset to our nation. host: bob from ohio is on the line. work hereu do great good morning. it is oklahoma, a cherokee capital. . i think you are doing great work. good morning to both of you.

you are doing good work. this is very important. i cannot agree with the previous collymore. he articulated what needs to be repeated over and over again, and to articulate more on what you were saying, you were using words after the previous caller to describe the situation at hand like we do not recognize certain things what we do other things mindlessly. i think this goes back to the ofuation of the complicity the media. we want people to be involved. there is this encouragement to get people involved. this meant just articulated what the problem really is. ,ad we stay with that issue

rather than going to the overall public whichf the will draw in a lot of people who are frankly uninformed. in the media, we have to have some responsibility and come to square. how do we identify what is reason, truth, legitimate authority, instead of being complicit in continuing the charade of a legitimate power in our country? guest: i think you and the previous caller has put your finger on a very important intont of how we have come the situation of such a degradation of our civility and dysfunction in our politics. as a said earlier, what has brought us here are some very significant structural things that have taken decades to come to be. there are good things going on to try to change that.

voteganization called fair that is working on open primary so that independents can vote in primaries, which would make a huge difference in terms of who are candidates are. what we do is try to point citizens to resources where you can work on these long-term problems. sittingeantime, we're in april, in one of the most contentious presence of campaigns in history -- at this moment in time, what is most important is want to understand it as clearly as you understand it, think of a way in your community, maybe it is work with way,l leadership, but some come together with other people in your community who share this view. at the national institute for civil discourse, we are getting tremendous support from the

public to essentially almost create a campaign type of process to revive civility. we hope you will join us. host: you mentioned a workshop you held at the newseum for journalists. you also help a workshop in ohio. how do you create a safe space for discourse, and what are some things that you focus on and teach during the workshops? guest: i'm so glad you asked that. one of the things that we see that is most hopeful, and other than the coverage and idaho, the story does not get out nationally. we have a project called next generation in which we go into state legislators and start with

trustshop called building through civil discourse. we always make sure it is a balanced group of about the same number of democrats and republicans, and there are a few independents. we come together for about 45 hours. we have the legislators themselves to find the ground rules about how we want to behave together during those hours. we do not impose those. we open up the table to say -- and most of them have had bad experiences themselves on the floor. i will never forget a new member on the ohio legislator, republican woman, who said at the end of the workshop she was so pleased and now we had to have another workshop which is how do you start a conversation with someone who called to evil floorled you evil on the

yesterday. state legislative, because they are more closely connected to the public, they get more store,k at the grocery at school. they know that they have to produce legislation on the issues that matter. they want to come and find out for way too treat each other and come back to a place where there is bipartisan support for bills to pass. we have now worked in 12 states. within 450 state legislators have participated in this. we have created a national network of those legislators who actually every two weeks participate in conference calls and come together regionally for face-to-face meetings. each year, we give the gabby giffords award to a republican and democrat or group of republicans and democrats who reversee solid work and would

the negative trend in their state. host: kevin is next on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. i clearly understand that civility in politics is a task for politicians. with the whole world looking at us now, are candidates that we have in the forefront seem to be continuously recycled. my question is for any systemtion and political that requires civility in election today from the politicians? guest: this is a very good question. there is no existing national legislation requiring civility. what am just talking about about thework we are doing in

legislators, interestingly enough, the state of colorado has introduced a proposition which actually sets out what they see as civil behavior, both in how they treat each other, and how they treat people who testify in that state. we're beginning to see this. delmar, california, i believe is the first city in the country with the city council and mayor have passed the code of civility that they expect every one to stay connected to. terry, indiana initiated civility called world today with had people from indiana and other states -- i believe 13 people from other countries for dissipating -- participating. hascity club of idaho created a year-long agenda in which they talk about what is

the response bill before of everyinvoicing sector. one month a look at the legislator, another month, they look at education, another .onth, the judicial system doinge created a network exactly what you have said. it is not to force agreement where there is not agreement. frankly, it has always been understood, if you can create a safe space and understand why i think and what is important to me, we almost 100% of the time discover that we have more common ground than we expected to discover. we also learned that in the political culture, certain words

started to be flashpoints. i want to go back to the issue .f voting i will never forget the moment when a young african-american woman in the process said that the most important thing i have manyed here is that i know people of color who did not get to vote. if i call that folder suppression, visit way -- the very people that need to hear me will not hear it. is ownedanguage that r's. or the a base for civility is to really think about an issue that i care

about, am i thinking about it that the person on the other side of the i will listen to me. host: andrew, what is your question or comment? caller: my question is the role of the media is so great, currentate, in the presidential campaign process, hasave seen how the media informed the public in regard to what the issues are. how do we restore the sense of rightness and truth to the political system so that we do not misinform the public? to go back tong the example of the work that we did in ohio. ohionews association, the

broadcast association has picked it up and run with it. we talk about the media as if it is one big thing. we think of congress and casted as all of the same ilk. what we find is some people are trying to do the right thing, others have fallen into the pattern that you and other callers have described. but we need to do is where we can impacted it locally, we need to discover who are the anchors, those newscasters, clear from how they speak, that they want to go exactly where you want to go. create media partnerships where they are not standard.different when they interact with the candidates, they are not starting from the candidates position, which may not be

fact-based, but rather, they start from the key questions that the people in ohio care about. educationalion, reform. positions to their that the candidates have to issues.to fact-based this can be done. work, but we have to find, where can i take a stand and join with other people who also know what we have to do. host: amassed caller for the segment will be david from new jersey on the republican line. go ahead. yes, i want to correct the people. rush limbaugh does not come on

at nighttime. it shows that the caller nor the lady know what they are talking about. not that i am defending him. likew tri jersey, i would her to talk about two things. the politicians have lied to us for so long, that is why people are upset. you talk about the media. how can we trust the media when for a voters will vote democrat. you talk about supreme court president obama. did you know that right here in new jersey, a person was nominated to the supreme court and the democratic-controlled legislator refused for two years straight to hold a hearing. now, he nominated a democrat. within two weeks of that person getting a hearing before the committee, it was unanimous. what about this kind of partisanship? the lies from the politicians.

the media is not trusted. host: we will have to leave it there. your final thoughts? guest: what comes to my mind most at the moment is the famous lincolnom president around the civil war, when he whereabout the fact that we were, everyone has to make a choice. joy come from a place of better twols in my character or basic instincts? we are at a time where it feels to americans like our institutions are operating from basic instincts, not treating us respectfully, not acting with integrity, as we think those institutions should behave. in part, that may be true, in

part, inmate the false. point whenare at a americans have lost faith in our institutions. it will take decades to rebuild .hat faith and trust in the meantime, we have to it.men we have to have faith in ourselves to step up, speak up, and take positive action to ve civility in your home, your school, your community, and this presidential campaign. carolyn lukensmeyer, thank you so much for being here this morning. guest: thank you for having me. host: that doesn't for us today. you can join us tomorrow at 7:00. we will be talking with derek .astle

be will also talk with jeffrey cohen, discussing the modern primary system. we will see you then. ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> a live picture from gateway high school in pennsylvania, just outside of pittsburgh, as he stands road to the white house coverage continues this morning. a campaign rally is coming up with present a candidate ted cruz speaking