will join us to talk about the hacking of his iphone on 60 minutes and his call to the oversight and government reform committee to investigate the security defects. >> you have seen in her john boehner's comments about ted cruz and republican politics in general. now, we want to get your reaction on the walls -- washington journal this morning. we have divided our lines differently. a2-748-8000 if you are supporter of ted cruz. if you are supporting donald is the202-748-8001 number for you to call. all others, 202-748-8002. you can make the comment via social media at c-span wj is our twitter handle. , lively conversation conversation going on on

facebook. john boehner was at stanford university and there were no cameras in the room. there was audio taken. here's a little bit of what he had to say. [indiscernible] >> lucifer in the flesh. [applause] i get along with almost everybody. i have never worked with a more mineral dust miserable son -- a more miserable son of a bitch in

my life. host: john maynard talks election time -- john boehner talks election time in office. quote, you can call me anything, boner, beaner, anything. , factory david kennedy director and history professor emeritus in a talk hosted by stanford and government and the stanford speakers bureau. this joking yet blunt attitude set the tone for the night as kennedy and the former speaker discussed topics ranging from banners of bringing in ohio to the future of the republican party or the second half of the program, kennedy opened up the floor to students questions. ton boehner notnly refer ted cruz as lucifer in the flesh, he called him a miserable . and talked about the freedom caucus in the house of representatives.

ted cruz had a reaction. i think this is from fort wayne, indiana. had interesting comments. he did the privy -- he did not abbreviate. he allowed his inner truck to come out. i will say this. if you are wondering who is to washington, i think john boehner has made a crystal clear. remarkshner in his describe donald trump as his texting and golfing buddy. somebody -- if you are happy with john boehner, speaker of the house, and you wanted president like john boehner, don't shop is your man. by the way, donald trump gave his super pac $100,000 a few years ago. donald trump has been funding john boehner and he has also been funding nancy pelosi and harry reid. if you like with john boehner, nancy pelosi, and harriet reid

done, donald trump is your guy. >> here are the phone numbers if you want to dial in and participate in the conversation. get your reaction to a john boehner has to say about takers and republican politics. 748-8000 for those of you supporting ted cruz. 748 8001 if you are a donald trump supporter. 202748 8002 for all others. a little bit more from the stanford daily of what john boehner had to say on clinton. mixed.ws were more earlier in the talk, he impersonated clinton saying i'm a woman, both for me to a negative crowd reaction. later, he added he had known clinton for 25 years and fines are to be very accomplished and smart. boehner also speculated about the price that could come closer to the democratic national convention if hillary clinton's e-mails a coming larger scandal. don't be shocked if two weeks before the convention, here comes joe biden parachuting in

and barack obama fanning the flames to make it all happen is what he had to say about the democrats. here is a little bit more. this is throughout the talks, boehner frequently referred to the freedom caucus and the house of representatives as the knuckleheads and goofballs in congress. when david kennedy asked about the democrats in congress, boehner asserted that both parties have their inner divisions. thing that is different between republicans and democrats is democrats do their fights behind closed doors, republicans are too independent for that. although he talked about the challenges of working with a partisan gridlock congress, he reflected positively on his relationship with obama although he acknowledged the two disagreed, he said he to get along well. that is a little bit from the stanford daily website. this is melissa in cincinnati, ohio on the ted cruz supporter line.

what did you think about what the former speaker had to say? caller: it is sour grapes. he is mouthing off because he got kicked out of government. he should act like a man and shape up. he is an alcoholic. that is the way alcoholics act. look at his red face. trump.d support him and trump both have read faces. -- they are from mars. i heard chelsea clinton is getting an abortion because her mom wants her to. is that true? that is the first and only time anybody has ever heard that. it is not true. i think we can safely say that. luca in cherryville, north carolina on the all others line. caller: good morning. i have been to say a republican, i'm now independent. reagan's in president

commitment, the 11th commandment . john boehner is a washed up hack that needs to go back to ohio and ted cruz, i do not like ted cruz whatsoever. not -- the devil and flushes hillary rodham clinton. right.as the part i'm still not sure if i am going to vote for him, it is so confusing this year. it is entertaining, but it is confusing. host: luca in cherryville, north carolina. who did you vote for in the primary? when the primary came through north carolina, where did you cast your ballot? caller: i ended up casting it for governor kasich. host: thank you, sir.

cindy in spring, texas. she is a ted cruz supporter. go ahead, cindy. remarksjohn boehner's will prove that ted cruz is not an establishment candidate which we have lately try to paint him as. also, i think it will end up being one as take cruises greatest-- ted cruz's reimbursement. this may be a good thing for him. nobody likes john boehner. we thought he caused so many problems and didn't know how to run the house. you see his remarks as an endorsement or positive remark about takers -- about ted cruz? caller: idea. if i can tell you one thing about him. i know he doesn't come off as super personal with people, but when he tells you he is going to

do something, you can take it to the bank. he is going to do what he says he will do. that, i do know about him. that is a good thing. host: cindy, there is an article in politico. to be hated wants is the name of the article. it says and here that any other politician would have winced at the characterization, especially coming from a follow republican, but given his long-term success at extracting vitriol and bio by the barrel for those -- from those who should be his ideological comrades, we can only assume ted cruz claims the hatred and condemnation and regards boehner's lucifer comment as an endorsement. do you agree? caller: to a certain degree. here's what i agree with. he is a candidate who is for the people. he is so antiestablishment. he has expressed that to our group. he said i am over there fighting for you guys. he said it is just like -- i am

fighting all alone sometimes. we have seen that. we have seen him up there fighting alone. .e is fighting for us i don't think he is doing as good a job at getting that across as he needs to. he is truly for the people. i can tell you that. host: you said he spoke to your group. what is your group? caller: republican women's group in spring, texas. we are a suburb of houston, texas. host: thankfully -- thank you for your time. ,rett in searchlight, nevada you are a chum supporter. what did you think of john boehner? i believe everything he said. -- he ledgentleman the group that shut down our government. i don't know where everyone gets he is antiestablishment. he has been in government, he

gets his money from super pac's and wall street. part -- i watched him in kingstown, indiana. i thought it was donald trump talking. -- he is just,uy he is not a person for the people. fiorina, nobody talks about what she did heward packard. she fired 1400 people in one day. outsource to their jobs and heward packard fired her for doing that. nobody talks about that. wane fors on the mobile, alabama. a ted cruz supporter. hello, jane. >> thank you for taking my calls. oehner haske to say b the freedom to be as classless as he is.

he is an example of what washington is now. ted cruz is fighting for the people. i don't know whether the gentleman who just spoke was getting his information. people are uninformed. i watched c-span all the time. thank you so much. i see it coming out of their mouths when i watch the committee meetings. we are in trouble. i think ted cruz is a wonderful -- he is a good guy. boehner, peter king, john boehner, they are classless. the way they talk. i thank you for taking my call. host: mobile, alabama. a little more from the political article on why take cruise loves to be hated, ordinarily, decorum prevents politicians for making over comments like the made -- the one made by john boehner, even about members of the opposing party. produce --way of

producing uncensored, blunt, and ugly from the fellow party members. this week collected some of the choice risks dealt to him from fellow republicans. if you kill ted cruz on the floor of the senate, and the trial within the senate, nobody would convict you said senator lindsey graham. nobody likes him, said bob dole. classless, tasteless, and counterproductive said the senator last year. i just don't like the guy said former president george w. bush in october. i hate take cruise said representative dieter king who isn't exactly likable himself. i will take cyanide if he ever got the nomination. pat is a term supporter in naboo, alabama. good morning. i agree that boehner should not have made the remarks he made. he had a right to degrade him in a way. that was a bit too much.

i'm not a ted cruz supporter. he is part of the establishment. he does lie, he started off doing real good and let the gop back him. then he turned around. their, patted in them on the back, continue to campaign. that is nothing but why washing his back and covering his tracks. he is lying. i don't mean to say that in a rude way because i am a cruz supporter. if you had watched every preview in every show like i have, you can see it as his supporters come behind him and the people who backed him, he went to go down in the polls when the gop went to run super pac's for him. this is jim on our all

others line in chicago. you are on washington journal. what did you think about john boehner and politics in general? caller: i thought it was funny. second, with all the issues going on in this country, we are hurting financially, morally, spiritually, these two guys, take cruise and john boehner, they are going to be ok no matter what happens. these guys are rich, their families will be taking care of. the majority of americans are hurting. these candidates, including hillary and the other guys need to start talking about real issues instead of the fluffy stuff. granted, a got ratings for tv and radio network. as far as the american people, they are hurting. beingre -- people aren't honest but the american public regarding the situation we are in financially and otherwise. host: jim in chicago. keith and jonesboro, arkansas. a ted cruz supporter. caller: good morning. can you hear me?

i want to begin by saying pt barn was right. there is a sucker born every minute. people who vote for trump are being sucked into a vacuum -- it is a whole -- a hole. as for takers and john boehner, ted cruz is the only one who has and continues to believe that what will make america great again and whatever made america great in the first place is the constitution. we don't follow the constitution anymore. he argues for the constitution. that is what he does. until we get back to the constitution, we are going to continue to degrade and become a defunct country just as the roman and -- empire fell. we will fall. we will fall from within ms we stand by the constitution. that is what cruz does. host: hello, cindy, greenville,

mississippi. caller: i'm a christian and a voter from greenville, mississippi. i voted for trump. anys not that we feel animosity toward cruise, we believe cruise is a good person. we believe he would be better -- host: bob, new york, what is your view of what john boehner had to say? >> i totally agreed with john boehner. it gives you insight of what goes on underneath that we don't hear about a lot. with people like john boehner and ted cruz. this is the first we have ever heard. these kinds of words, talking ,bout a presidential candidate especially from john boehner.

i think it is interesting. i think with john boehner did affected my health insurance at my job. the reason they gave is because they could. not necessarily because they had to. this is only going to get worse, i think. if i guy like ted cruz gets elected president. boehnerpy that john spoke and said -- the things they said are harsh, but that might be accurate. host: bob, who did you support in the new york primary? caller: that is in question. i'm a democrat, but i would love another four years of obama which some people don't want to hear. i went with bernie sanders. i am happy with hillary clinton, as well in this election.

not just because she is the first woman president. i think she would be fine as opposed to somebody like donald trump who can't seem to speak in a way that sounds educated. like obama, when you hear him speak, as opposed to george bush , when you are almost like, what is he going to say next? you are worried that this is the guy represent our country? anyway, i voted for bernie sanders. i'm sorry. host: we will leave it there. thank you for calling in. back to the stanford daily, john boehner, if i were running for president, i would be running on things that unite republicans, boehner said. these other issues will keep coming up and the democrats know where our soft spots are. supportere -- a curz in tennessee. it is pretty low

what he said. no wonder he didn't get to stay in congress or whatever he was in. i know he was in politics and had to leave or something. i do know that as far as i'm concerned, ted cruz is a fine man. i like the things he stands for. he seems like a solid american behind the constitution. we need people to stand on what our forefathers to it on. our nation is going down because we are not standing for the things that are constitution stands for. we can -- people can destroy us. things, standing on the right things is what we need to do, we are a christian nation. violet and friendly, tennessee. carl holds writing out of office, x speaker beta releases the new button and a front of mr. cruz fighting in indiana to keep his presidential bid alive,

responded he barely knew mr. weiner. boehner.iner -- he said i have spoken 50 words r and every word was pleasantries. next call, cynthia, delaware. cynthia is a supporter donald trump. hello, cynthia. >> our you this morning -- how are you? caller: i wanted to make the comment that trump may not be the perfect candidate, but at least people know where they stand with him. you can'te -- cruz, tell. the bible says that many will come in my name and claim to be for me and they are not. that is my opinion. host: wiry supporting donald trump -- why are you supporting donald trump? caller: i think he will do well for the economy. i have never watched the show so

i'm not a fan because i -- i have heard of donald, but i didn't know much about him. i see what has happened since 2008. nothing is improving. we have a weak president. america needs to be strong. other countries will -- look up to us for that. that is about it. at least with donald, you know what you're getting. he is not hiding behind the skirt of jesus or anything. host: fort wayne journal gazette newspaper in indiana, the center of presidential politics right now. ruz wows city audience. he was up there. 1000 came to see him speak in fort wayne. that city ofhrough a couple hundred thousand, bill clinton will be there. bernie sanders will be there. donald trump will be there, as well in the coming days. julius in greensboro, north carolina.

i agree with john boehner. is lucifer in disguise and the whole gop is lucifer in disguise. for over 400 years. thank you. zoe lofgren haxton, wisconsin. ted cruz supporter, joel, we are listening. what did you think of when john boehner had to say? >> i disagree with what he had to say. down. did was cut trump now, it is getting toward the end. he is taking cruise down. who cited xeon -- whose side is he on? host: a couple more reactions from capitol hill to a john

boehner had to say. senator mike lee brits weiner for cruz comments according to politico. also in politico this morning, representative eater king -- givesking says cruz lucifer a bad name. marlene in new jersey, a child supporter, she -- a trump supporter. it is just like it is written. the reason i am calling his i heard something -- for everyone out there, in april 20 -- on april 15, on msnbc, there is a town hall with ted cruz. i happen to have it on. i really -- rarely watch the channel. i am going to say something to everyone who thinks they know ted cruz. here's a direct quote between mr. cruz.

the moderator asked him about the $19 trillion debt we owe. ted cruz -- i wrote it down i was so upset. i'm a grandmother. deadbeat grandparents and parents leaving young people with $19 trillion worth of debt. young people should vote, come out of the booth, and punch their parents in their faces. that is a direct quote from mr. cruz and anybody -- it was on msnbc on a town hall. i couldn't believe what i heard. i am a christian. you don't punish your parents in .he face people need to see what they really vote for. host: marlene in new jersey. randy is up next. randy in louisiana. says cruz/tcreen rump. what does that mean? caller: i am torn between both

of them and i have to take the lesser of two evils, that would be trump. of -- ily, at the bunch think they are a bunch of drinkers. ringers. john boehner, what he said about better this guys and with obama. i thought he was a republican. with the lady just said before , you may want to step back and look. i think he is a bigger ringer then trump is. i used to not think like that. wolf in sheep's clothing. this guy is in bed with goldman sachs? who boughtr somebody a bunch of money from him. he is in debt to certain people.

soros.is in bed with what you have? host: george soros is funding john kasich? caller: that is what i understood. gave him a few million dollars to stay in the race. host: ok. this is politico this morning, former montana senator conrad causes81 died of natural at his home in montana. in the hill newspaper this morning, sanders is cutting his spending in indiana, his fromign will cut 200,000 the original ad buy of $1.2 million in the state of indiana article,ding to this this is the new york post, i believe, donald trump could amass most primary votes in gop history.

he has roughly 10.1 million votes right now, 200,000 more than mitt romney. with populous state such as california, new jersey, and indiana coming up, the former apprentice reality star could easily break the modern record of $10.8 million -- 10.8 million held by george w. bush in 2000. bill is going in from tyler, texas on our ted cruz line. what you think about what john boehner had to say? >> i think john boehner is a lobbyist in waiting period he is part of the establishment. ted cruz, i voted for him. send him to washington. to make changes that would drastically need. cruz andake ted .escribed him as a samuel adams samuel adams wasn't well-liked, either.

country,nto change the to change the direction, to get our country online. i will fully support ted cruz andl he is either out elected president. i think he is the best candidate that does what he says he is going to do. >> what is one of the changes you would like to see in the country? less government. less restrictions. put the power back to the states. just a normal person can probably go to washington, take a look at all the money, especially the wasted money given to the private sectors, thatal organizations basically give money to the

politicians. the biggest thing i would like to see changed his term limits. two terms, that's it. caller: -- host: that is bill a, texas. a lineity critics draw at naming a law school after scalia. at george mason university paid little attention as charles koch and other conservatives helped transform their school into a leading producer of free market scholarships. the effort was focused on a few specific departments like economics and law and attracted little attention outside conservative circles. the announcement last month that wouldn't rename its law school in honor of antonin scalia a -- would rename its law

school in honor of antonin thata ended indifference. the name change, and that it was tied to a 30 million combined gift from charles koch and an brings intonor question whether the administration and trustees allowed it to become an i'll the logically --. on wednesday, a more pointed resolution to delay the name change will be resented -- will be revisited next week. up next, your comments on john uz.hner about ted cr caller: what i have to say is

.mportant i don't care about what john boehner says. anybody knows politics, they know lindsey graham and peter king. the two things i want to say about hillary and obama, hillary is -- about the sniper attacks. we are talking about what john boehner had to say about ted cruz this morning. bring your comments to that discussion. as a speaker of the house, he didn't do now saying nothing.n't do i am supporting donald trump. immigration is killing america. they are taking our jobs. they are doing manufacturing. host: thank you for calling in

this morning. david brooks writes a column in the new york times. he leans conservative. here is his op-ed column. , what?trump donald trump looks set to be the republican presidential nominee. for those of us appalled by this prospect, what are we supposed to do? not with the leaders of the republican party are doing. they are going down meekly and hoping for a quiet convention. people will be judged by where they stood at this time. those who walked with donald trump will be tainted forever after for the degradation of standards and the general election slaughter. us is tor course for step back and take the long view and begin building for that. has reminded us

how much pain there is in this country. life has gotten worse for people over the last half-century. that means first it is necessary to go out into the pain. i have slipped into a bad pattern, spending large chunks of my life in the bourgeois it takes an act of will to rip yourself out of that and go where you feel least comfortable. to try ton is going do that over the next few months. we have responsibility to do one activity that leaps across --. here is the wall street journal

headline, republican lawmakers are warming to donald trump. greg, jacksonville, florida. good morning. in his -- it has been about three to four months since i have talked to you. year watchera 37 of c-span. i am glad i got in. i was concerned by the topic. to mr. have been kinder ted cruz. i do not enjoy some of his rhetoric. one of the things i find strange is that this is a gentleman who wanted to shut the government down.

in that effort, he also shut down whatever benefits or services that could have come from the federal government by shutting it down to those supporters calling into c-span. took 500,000, he in alone from goldman -- in a loan from goldman sachs. he is an still a senior executive of goldman sachs. when you are talking about wall street and who is going to do something about the news of wall street. host: when the primary rolled through florida, where were you? who did you vote for? i voted for hillary

clinton. i am an independent. on this one, when the general election comes up in november, if hillary is a candidate for the democrats, and tromp is the candidate for the republicans, i do not know who i am going to vote for. obama lobbying for a positive legacy. yolanda, ted cruz supporter. about what think your fellow ohio and had to say about ted cruz? would call it childish, but that insults children. it reminds me of donald trump. cruz.or ted

he is an honorable, christian man. he stands for the constitution like i do. i would love to see the irs whittled down. host: new reminders of ted cruz's relationship with fellow republicans. first he tangles with john cruzer and then ted undercut another republican, cruz, itch and for ted was another day of brawling with

leading figures from his party. what did you think about what donald trump had to say? caller: i re-with them. was killed on the floor of the united states, no one would be tried. manhave the most despised in the history. the republican establishment, and i am a democrat, i was a republican for 20 years. inhanged political parties 2000, when bush was running for office. this nationry of

there has never been a political candidate more assaulted or whocked then donald trump, cares about the survivability of the united states. cruzrrect a caller, ted received $1 million from goldman sachs. carly fiorina laid off over 60,000 employees in her 10 year -- in her tenure at lucent technologies and hewlett-packard . if you take $1 million from goldman sachs, guess what, your christian ethic is nonexistent because you have no christian ethic. to the honor ability of the individual. individual that has honor that actually cares about the country is donald trump and you are hearing that from a democrat. want to share a couple of

.rticles this is from the washington examiner. immigration and customs enforcement releases 19,723 illegals, 208 convicted of murder, 900 of sex crimes. they decided not to deport, but released 19,000 plus criminal illegal immigrants. those are into every state and .erritory colorado voters to weigh universal health coverage. fore is a ballot measure

november whether or not the state should provide universal health coverage. the white house correspondents dinner is this weekend. is roxanne roberts, who attended the dinner with her guest, donald trump, in 2011. the vast mystery that is donald trump, one question eclipses all others. why is he running for president? i don't know. you don't know, but a fair -- have handful of analysts decided it began at the 2011 white house correspondents association dinner where donald trump was the but of jokes by

president obama and seth meyers. trump was so humiliated that it triggered some deep, hidden yearning for revenge. rather than sending him away, accelerated his ferocious efforts to gain stature in the political world. the questionable -- the questionable premise that the republican front-runner has ever had an unexpressed, their speculation based on nothing but youtube clips of the night. roxanne roberts goes on. there is a jump page as well. and don't have time to read through it. go to washington post and type in roxanne roberts. this article will come up. on top of that, you can go to

c-span.org, type in donald trump, 2011, white house correspondents dinner. you can watch it on mine unseat -- watch it online on c-span.org. there are quite a few cutaways of donald trump throughout. that was in 2011. you have been watching, you have seen our student cam contest winners. incite highe we school and junior high students to talk about issues of send ince and they can the video. it is a contest. today, we are going to talk with our grand prize winner, olivia oklahoma. she was given a check for $5,000 for her video. we want to show you a portion of it. [video clip] spendingcretionary

received $1.1 trillion. the second section is mandatory spending, $2.45 trillion in 2015. lastly, interest on the federal debt. this totaled $3.8 trillion. in order to pay for these things, the government has to take in money somehow. you have revenue and asked thence. the u.s.se of government, revenue is created through taxation. when the money taken in through is putoesn't equal what out through spending, we have deficit.

borrowing can be a temporary solution to an unbalanced budget, but it is the cause of a greater problem. debt is the sum total of all past deficits and futurents all of the generations, my generation, are going to have to pay that. dear candidates, i would like to know how you, if elected president, will deal with the debt crisis. host: where did you come up with the idea to do this. i wanted to do something

related to --. i discovered what a big problem the government funding of other areas is. that got me interested in the national debt as a whole. there is not just one solution. a big effort to be and we are going to have to try multiple things. at the end of my video, i threw it out to the candidates, but please get this nation back under control. have you gotten more involved or do you follow politics more since working on the project? since doing all of the

research, whenever i hear somebody talking about the debt or something along those lines, i was like -- oh, i know what you are talking about. how did you find out about student cam? i am in film at my high school. my teacher has all of his students enter this competition every year. this year it rolled around and he was like -- get to work. host: it was a forced assignment. [laughter] are you going to give him a cut of your prize money? guest: i might buy him a gift card or something. host: have you gotten the check? i got it in the mail last week. you andat year are

where are you going to college? i am a sophomore. i don't know where i want to go. i would love to go to film school in california or new york. she is the grand prize winner of this year's student cam competition. thank you for spending a few minutes with us. guest: thank you. host: another student is a second place winner. we will show you a bit of his video and a minute. his name is ethan. our upcoming guest is tim murphy, a republican from pennsylvania and a trained psychologist. we are going to talk about mental health care with him. he is very active in the congress on this issue. we thought you -- we thought we would show you his second-place

student cam competition first. [video clip] shouldn't there be a system to treat it? the condition of mental health care varies a lot from state to state. state governments are the ones that decide things such as funding for mental health care. today, i visited the state capital in oklahoma city to attend a budget hearing. >> there is no money out there. tell them to get over it. [indiscernible] 60% of oklahomans were not getting the health a need. mental health is the leading reason for lost work performance and accounts for 30% of disability cost.

the public health issues facing our state. >> most states don't give much toward taking care of the mentally unhealthy. >> what keeps us from having an effective treatment system in place? >> i could list a list of them. >> i wish i had the answer to the question and we can fix it. >> at the state budget hearing, commissioner white spoke on what some of the issues are. >> the door to get into the system is so narrow that there are two thirds of oklahomans standing on the outside of the door who need help and only one third inside the door who need help. >> people contact us, not sure where to turn. murphy, you were

featured in that student video. it was a remarkable video. it shows the insight of what happens with mental health in america. the huge cost, cost of lives, cost of productivity. whether it was elected officials or clinicians speaking, it is the greatest health care embarrassment. host: what is the federal government's role? under medicare, medicaid, hhs, it is pretty sizable. it creates the barriers that prevent you from getting care. in terms of paying bills, it is multiple levels. patrick kennedy led the charge on that. private insurance that provides -- of mentalcare

illness. up to this point, there is a certain wall that prevents people from getting care. the second thing is understanding what medicaid pays. 5% of the population who use medicaid consume 55% of medicaid almost all of them are mentally ill. it is a huge cost. why is that? illness,with mental 75% of them have at least one of their -- have at least one other chronic illness. costs spending there. they're not getting care, they don't follow through on care, they don't believe they have problems. their lives are deteriorating. jail,o have the cost of

you are 10 times more likely to be in jail than a half though. if you are a minority, it is worse. these things all multiply. other federal barriers exist. are low income, they don't let you see to doctors in the same day for the same problem. if you see a family physician and he says your son is showing bad symptoms here, he is depressed, with drawing his grades are going down, he is blocking the windows in his if youe is irritable, are on medicaid, the door is closed. we create this prejudice against impoverished mentally ill. you will not get help. if you are mentally ill, you're more likely to be in poverty. you are working this slow-motion spiral of chronic illness and we

are blocking care for you and you will go to prison, where prison costs are 20 times higher than outpatient care. they send you to an emergency room, general hospital. it is much more expensive. emergency room, a few thousand dollars a day, where you are just sitting there waiting because they don't have enough room. you block other patients from coming in. they sedate them. this is the embarrassment of america's mental health system. what we are left with is people in prisons, or if they are at

home. the family is told we are sending them home, good luck. the family says what is the diagnosis? what are we supposed to do. federal barriers continue to make it most difficult for the people who have the most difficulty and the cost skyrockets. phonewe will put the numbers on the screen. we are talking mental health care in america and the role of the federal government divided by political affiliation. tim murphy is a trained psychologist. the 16 bed rule? you can't have more than 16 beds in a psychiatric hospital and get treatment. has come up with a variation of that, which we are happy about, but it is not totally

helpful. for somechanging cases, a person can have 15 days per month of care rather than worry about 16 days per month. admitted on june 15 and you need 20 days of care, you can stay there. on june 1 admitted and you reach the 15 day limit, it stops. to do?e they supposed they get transferred to a general hospital psychiatric bed or to the emergency room. the costs are going up. if you are having heart surgery and halfway through, the doctor says my shift is over, a new doctor comes in and says what are we doing, what am i supposed to do? you would never do that. mentaligotry toward illness.

building confidence and understanding history is essential in treating mental illness effectively. where going to start all over. the federal government comes up with these bizarre notions that that is helpful. it is not. if that is the case, at least they have come up with the role that we will work with them. what happens to them clinically? they getting worse? are they going to be discharged? many of these folks are not aware they have a problem. they don't even know they have a problem. they think their hallucinations are real. many will go to jail.

problems cascade. we will work with them on this and see what happens. discussing the segment yesterday, one topic we talked about was if we walked up ross the street and saw somebody with a broken leg, we would know how to deal with that. we call 911. we see someone who we think is , what do we do? be lying on ay subway grate in the wintertime. some places they may come up and check on the person. if that person is not an

, they will let him go. if you see someone who has twisted their ankle or is lying in the street, paramedics show up. they are treating because it is an illness. when it is a mental illness, it is handcuffs and off you go. i half of mentally ill people the police encounter and the dead. ill person,entally think of what happened to the captain a month or so ago, a man it is a pellet gun, and when you are a police officer, a shot him. i think it is incredible restraint on the part of -- goodness knows, at

any moment, 20 police. it could have been a disaster scene. if that situation itself across the country every day, where that is how we treat the mentally ill in that way. host: to reorganize the way mental illness treated in the u.s., what the federal government spends is allocated. guest: the general county office the majorityumber, disability -- disability payments and not treatment. some goes toward treatment, but we spent about 500 million to , 700 million to the for substance abuse, but the amount of money we spend in this country dealing with mental issues, allth care

those things together is 440 4 billion. if you at the criminal justice system, 550 billion years. 500 million to the states, the cost is about 500 billion across the country. it does not make sense. we are spending so little. if a judge has a mentally ill person who committed a crime, and i send them to prison, they have to provide. it is not a crime to have a heart attack, not a crime to have diabetes, not a crime to have cancer, but we do not say we will not do anything for you. we have a perverse notion that compassion is to do nothing at all, let that person live in a dehumanizing environment.

we relegate them to the back alleys of mental health care. unless it is a new one, it is old, not that nice, the furniture is old, and you go into a cancer treatment center, beautiful building. look at what we do. we do none do the same for mental health and th stigma maintains this level. we would restructure the organization, have some accountability for the grant programs. they have good programs. we want to make sure the things they've done that are not smart change. we want an assistant secretary of mental health to work on 112 programs the federal government has for mental health scattered across eight departments. there are 26 homeless programs, i do not think we need 26. get it out to help the homeless.

the 16 bed role, some of the confidentiality rules, all of those, the village esses. let's get some calls, john from pennsylvania on the democrats line. caller: thank you. remember when the reporter was and the fired employee at work there, i watched a show, he had been shuffled around, he had been suing the stations, he definitely had mental problems, and hr do not want to deal with them because they did not want to get sued. then the tragedy happened. instead of dealing with a mental issue of the gentlemen, it was all put on the guns here let's get rid of the guns, the guns is the issue. they do not want to deal with mental health. they do not want to stigmatize

these people, they do not want to put them in institutions because that does not seem right, and yet when the people get a hold of guns and this gentleman got it legally, he purchased a handgun legally to commit a crime, nothing was said about it, nothing was said about the responsibility of hr and the stations. it was all dumped on the law-abiding gun owner. get a response from congressman murphy. guest: when these tragedies by a, 1200 homicides occur person who is mentally ill. most mentally ill are not violent at all. treatmenty are not in , their 16 times more likely to be violent than someone who is not the. not homicidal violence but is there. even worse, let's not member -- they are six test more likely to

be victims of fraud, rape, abuse, homicide. those things should also drive us to do something. put people in asylums. we needed to get away from those days because those became massive warehouses of cruelty. 1800s, dorothy, the leading person to get those it was to get these mentally ill people out of jails. we have come full circle. as we close the asylums because of the abuses and the importance of protecting someone's writes, what have we done? we have not changed much. cellplaced it for the jail , or the homeless person on the street, or, unfortunately, the county morgue. i believe the reason we should be dealing with this and not talking about what is in our

hands, let's adjust what is in our minds. host: calling from poughkeepsie, new york, independent line. caller: good morning. i am from poughkeepsie, new york. we used to have a large psychiatric center in the area. it was closed down in the name of privatization, which promised cheaper and more effective. those two words are mutually exclusive from each other. i am wondering, could we go back in that direction? talking about asylums. i would not categorize the institution we had here as an goodm, but they were given care and probably as good, i work in a nursing home, and i would say probably better than

80% of the people we have have some sort of psychiatric problem. not being done as effectively because once again, cheaper, more effective, they do not mesh. guest: let me address how it works. in a movement to close those large institutions, it was chosen by those two parts. people thought they get save money, and there was another working on the rights of patients, because many people were assigned to those races, also family members, they stay there for a long time. it was important to protect their rights so they were not just put into an institution without having control of the treatment. that is were people and it being arrested and going to jail.

the rights,sed on you cannot force someone into treatment and cannot do this and cannot do that here we refer to letting them die with their rights on, it is terribly cruel. new york changed some of this. he assisted outpatient treatment. if a person has a history of violence and incarceration and falling apart when they are not in treatment, a judge may see them so their rights are protected and say, when you are in treatment, you do better. we will assign you to outpatient care. what they have found is the results are staggeringly positive in terms of, not only are people same -- saying my 70ework was doing well, but percent for homelessness reduction, for other health care costs, and the costs went down by half.

i think that is more humane to do that. new york also spent more money and i thinkt care they are see much improvement in many cases but they are not done. mark from florida on the democrats line. caller: thank you for taking my call. a psychologist or a psychiatrist? i was watching your program this morning with the committee, .alking about immigration when the congressman get up why don't you know? it is a very simple thing. hearing oured of congressmen, no matter what party no matter what division,

we senate or the house, cannot leave this to our children or grandchildren. host: a little bit off-topic here. what is your take, a trained psychologist. what is your take on congress and its mental health? of thei am the chairman oversight investigations of committee in congress. we have had witnesses come before my subcommittee dealing with the issue of mental health and the costs of health care. doneimes a witness has not their work and it is misleading. with -- saying why are you spending money, $25 on a painting of tsp will?

grants, makeg out a smooth -- a fruit smoothie if their stress. it has got nothing to do with serious mental illness. they do not mention the world scif -- the word schizophrenia. members of congress saying, where you going and what are you doing there? diagnose my colleagues but i know this. of it.ttention is part what happens here is even though someone may disagree and how we do this, there are compassionate people, my colleagues. we may disagree about how to do it and that is where you debate and talk. members of congress are representing america. just like americans struggle with mental illness and their

my colleaguest of know this themselves, this thousands, their kids, their friends, they come to them and say, how do they handle this? feel the same pan and the same misery and trying to do something and they feel the same levels of stigma, saying, what if word got out and my struggles? i say we all deal with this. it is time we say that it is ok to of knowledge that, just like you had heart disease are answer, to struggle with. we make it so difficult to get care. when you see members who stand up with courage, i will go back to patrick, a courageous man, and he and i probably vote the same way and many thanks. i admire him, he struggled with isects of mental illness, he getting help and he is getting

better. i want to see more people doing that. congress deals with that as well. host: what is the status of your legislation? guest: out of the health committee, very sympathetic, we are working on wording that help deal with some of the divides on this. the divide before was the for budget, a 16onal that rule. now that the senate for medicaid services says they will move forward on the 15 day rule, that now scores zero. i believe we should codify that, go with that, and do an intense study of how that is working. that was probably the biggest

hurdle was the cost. are looking on structuring some other things. working for a while on how we handle this

would people be more or less likely to vote for a member of congress if they support this bill? we saw among republicans and independents, 60 percentile. americans want there to be changes in these things. do you want to drive that home? with this kind of support, you have democratic cosponsors? cosponsors.mocrat they are very well intended on this and i think those are some things we have there that we want to accommodate,

, we need more minority providers. there are not enough african-american and latino. it is a phenomenal shortage. half the county's in america do not have these at all. -- allowo allow for for more. now we have people talking over their cell phones or their computer. there are many aspects. we have good points and we want to accommodate those and work together. host: is it an issue of gun control? guest: that is a separate issue. most mentally ill are not violent. when we see a mass murderer, about half of those involved with -- only 10% of murders overall involve the mentally ill but one is too much. see big headline events and we find out the person was under

treated for mental illness, that is a concern. but the idea is to treat their illness. some people say we should never force a person into treatment. keep in mind most states have a law that says if a person has an involuntary commitment, the name now goes on the list and they cannot purchase a gun, but caution those with any involuntary -- involuntary commitment at all, a pretty serious problem and i think in those case -- in those cases, they should not be able to push continue to work with people to help them be better. there are a lot of people with anxiety and stress, i may maybe psychologist, i have no concerns about them going hunting or target practice. they a sport for them and have their illness under control. that is fine. we ought to be looking at other things in terms of enforcing the laws out there. joanna is in maryland.

go ahead. caller: i am a retired case manager with a number of clients with mental illness. i request -- retired about eight years ago but i see the same problems exist today that existed while is in practice. want tojor problems i throw out to you, the first is a lack of access to appropriate treatment programs and appropriate medication. many people with serious mental illness are very low income, and medicare and medicaid will only pay for the cheapest medication, even if the psychiatrist thinks another medication would be the best for them. lack ofnd problem is a supportive housing programs, places for people to live, and also a lack of supportive work programs. with are number of people serious mental illness, who, with support and appropriate medication, can actually be , and it is

frustrating to me because i do not know if the problem is a lack of money. i think that is the case in terms of treatment programs and , because it was very frustrating when a psychiatrist would -- withat was it like to deal the federal government in the general sense? caller: [laughter] very frustrating. you would appeal their decisions and it would go nowhere. it would take forever and meanwhile, someone is suffering or their behavior is out of control, or they are on the -- and theif that bureaucracy and red tape you had to go through would take forever. host: let's hear from congressman murphy. guest: you are right in those aspects. obviously, we want the

supportive housing and employment. some employers are afraid of hiring someone. i was talking to one the other day and he said, how did you get ?he sun a job he knows with proper support, he would be fine. many people in the workplace, with treatment, they do great. some just need someone to check in on them on a regular basis, how are you doing, are you handling your stress at work? much better to do that than to have someone not doing well in the job, who gets fired and takes of the stresses at home. she brings another point about medication. cms has also -- also worked with the rule, let's limit the types of medicine we have let's go for the cheap ones. when you have it or nine antidepressant drugs on the market, they all treat depression but the side effects can be very different. a patient who may take one drug may do well but on the other drug, the side effects might not be good so they do not want to take it anymore.

, thatt drug is cheaper person may end up saying, i will not take that anymore and i do not like the side effects. protected >>is a of drugs. i do not want cms or any federal bureaucracy interfering with the doctor's ability to prescribe what is best for that patient. to me, that is malpractice. if you do not have a license to practice, stay out of it because of the important issue of side effects and the effectiveness of drugs. , theypartment of defense have resolved some of it. i have seen patients at a hospital, they get discharged on a certain medication being effective and they say, that is not enough, we will try something else. we have legislation that says works,minute, if it leave them alone and let them continue to take the medication that helps them. turning them into a guinea pig and saying, let's see if we can

make some a cheaper, no, these are human beings and the cost of when that person stops taking medication and the exacerbated effects of being readmitted to the hospital, it far outweighs the hot -- the cost of the drugs. let's continue to do what is right. host: jeff in silver spring maryland, about one minute left, go ahead. caller: is that me? first of all, i want to thank c-span very much for the service they provide are my question is a little off-topic, but it seems like there is a clinical neurosis that seems to be affecting especially congressman about not being willing to except what most people consider -- consider is science when it comes to climate change. i'm interested to hear the congressman's reaction? instead of looking for what divides us and finding other ways of building on are prejudiced against each other's

party, i am reaching across the aisle constantly as a republican saying this is an area where members of the country are suffering. let's not look at other ways to pick a fight. let's look at ways to follow through. paul ryan is very supportive of this and when it comes to committee, it comes to vote and he will support it. kevin mccarthy said this. during may, mental health month in america, that we can produce something for americans. we are wearing green ties. it is the color of spring and rebirth and i hope we can celebrate may as making these changes. --t: it is an election you year. will it pass? guest: i think so. another one does not go as far as ours, but the senators want something there. even if you do not understand the issue, what i showed you graph of terms of the

support, americans want to see that. the politics alone outside of policy, people ought to be passing this, go back to constituents and say, we are working at saving lives. host: thank you for highlighting this. is a congressman from pennsylvania. up next, we will talk to ted lieu from california. network and our internet connections. every weekend on c-span2, it is booktv. that is 48 hours of nonfiction books and offers -- authors on c-span2. will, ourlk with in-depth guest. that is sunday. he will be live with us. he is the biographer of thurgood authorl and is also the of the book on which the movie "the butler" is written.

on sunday joining us on booktv and on c-span three. it is american history tv for 48 hours. this weekend, we are featuring a series of conversations from austin, texas. summit.the vietnam war henry kissinger was down there. in the last week or so. mr. kissinger was talking about in the vietnam war. here is a little bit of what he had to say. >> i have great sympathy for -- they had as right to think that we had through ahem support number of administrations,

including the one in which i served. it was impossible to convince to pass any additional funds. there were 35 other nations that had signed on to the agreement when made in 1973. we appealed to all of them. thing, it was one of the saddest moments of my life, and , the day of the evacuation was one of the saddest moments of my life and -- hadof us who had been

ofn the dedication vietnamese, the dedication of their,eople who served the letters that the children read, i have sympathy and i hope hitsher american leader similar test -- failurental fairy was the division in our country pair without that, we could have managed it. now joining us is congressman ted lieu, a democrat from california recently featured on 60 minutes. why were you on 60 minutes? 60 minutes gave me an

we got from the store. we played back conversations i had, it was quite disturbing and creepy. they basically had hackers in germany hack into the phone, knowing just the phone number. what was the goal? -- a: to reveal something flaw. it is a technical term but it basically means cell phone networks have the design flaws were foreign governments and hackers, just knowing your phone number, they can listen in on your conversations and get your text messages and track your location. who i was in d.c. as well as california, and they can get my text messages here in real time, this could happen to

anybody's cell phone. host: what is the solution? guest: i have called for congressional event -- investigations. there is a committee investigating and i am pleased the sec has started an investigation. they just need your cell phone number. it is not related to your phone. it is related to the network you happen to be on. this affects hundreds of millions of phones. we will put the numbers on the screen to talk about your involvement. we're talking about privacy besides this technical issue that the congressman is bringing to our attention. go ahead. guest: it is how networks communicate with each other. there is a flaw in how it was designed.

they have really figured out how to use it and pretty much any foreign government has access to it, including the foreign governments of iran, china, and russia. would be surprised if the conversations of elected officials and congress as well officials and federal employees, were not being monitored by federal governments as we speak now. does it have to do with a cell phone, the wi-fi tower? to do withas nothing what is on the cell phone. it has to do with what your network is. if you are on 3g, the flaw is in there. 4g, it is possible. a new 5g system in 10 to 15 years, this'll go away but the problem gets worse at system is based on the entire internet, anyone can try to access it, not just foreign governments and

sophisticated hackers. host: are there patches available? guest: in the meantime, there is toething you can do, go encryption. as i watched 60 minutes, because they do not show you the episode before they do it, i went ahead and started encrypted my text is a juice, different apps they can download on their phone, what is called whatsapp and another is called signal, another application. once you get that, your text messages are encrypted as long as the other person is using the same application as well. no longer do you use your provider's text message system? guest: i am trying to shift us to whatsapp and eventually that is what i will be using, as well as encrypt in my voice communications, which means if a foreign government or a hacker is intercepting these voice messages, they cannot do much with it because it is all

encrypted. how does one encrypt their voice messages? guest: we have applications that do this. i have no idea how to write a program to equip -- encrypt. but these applications do it for you. you download one, installed on your phone, and then you use it and you are encrypted. --t: host: go ahead and dial in. , what was that bill and why did you support it? guest: i'm a big believer in privacy. you mentioned wi-fi. , you go to a coffee

sore or a hotel or any place with a wi-fi network, you think you are using a coffee store's wi-fi, but it is a hacker five feet away from you, his network looks just like the starbucks network, and all your phone data gets to that hacker. in terms of privacy, i am a big believer in privacy and i think that will be one of the key civil rights issues of the 21st century. last year, we worked hard to rain back what some of our intelligence the -- intelligence agencies are doing. to me, it violates a fourth amendment. it is pretty clear, it says government should not engage in unreasonable search and seizures unless they have a warrant on you. it did not have 300 million warrant some people. bill that helps protect privacy, i'm going to support. right now, there is a dispute

between the fbi and smart phone like iphone in terms of whether they can violate privacy and get the company to unlock these phones in writing new software. i oppose that as well. very pleased the fbi would do a lawsuit against apple. the provider's support what you did yesterday, correct? guest: yes. the case had more to do with the actual iphone product. host: what you did yesterday, the providers are supportive. oft has been the reaction some of the government agencies? guest: they typically do not comment. they typically do not say anything at all. when the president signs or vetoes. i suspect he will sign it. the agencies usually do not comment or take a position.

regardless of what congress does, they will just react to it and try to deal with the set of laws. host: we talking about security and privacy. in nevada, the -- you are the first call. go ahead, lou. caller: thank you for c-span. i am a retired political science teacher. i love your show and all your wonderful things you do. i had a question here and would be interested. he seems like such an intelligent person. i would like to know how he thinks or how he read any discussions about the connections of the whole issue with national security, being concerned about the readings i have done, about the possibility of foreign governments or others hacking into the pentagon computers. is there any connection with that, if they can do all these things in a private world?

that is a great question, let me to you two issues related. with the fbi versus apple case, you saw a split where the establishment,ty including ash carter, came out very strongly thing we want strong encryption, we do not want backdoors into that encryption. we do not want vulnerabilities, and we do not want to do things during times of anger and grief. the national security establishment is very strong in in termspushing back of encryption, putting in the software backdoors. enforcement has a different view. they want to look at every iphone and i understand that impulse, but that does affect u.s. national security because what happens is if you do not have strong encryption, we get massive cyber attacks in the

federal government as well as the public sector. last year, the office of personnel management had a cyber attack with over 20 million security clearance records released, including my own. a few months ago, i got a letter from opn saying your sensitive information was stolen -- stolen . it is a problem, and you do not have strong encryption, it will keep on happening. i'm a big believer of strong encryption without any backdoors. back to the encryption issue, maybe i'm getting i am textbut when messaging, i use my providers text message service. why aren't the providers providing encryption? why do we have to download an app? that is a great question. they could. i do not know the answer to that.

i actually asked the question. it is a good issue you just raised. host: betty is in north carolina. caller: i have a question for you and i have seen television shows, the good wives because i do not watch all the -- a room full of government employees monitoring telephone calls, politicians and or timeer, they also one turns the iphone into a hot mic and they could record any conversation they had. is that true? does that really happen? guest: the good wife is a great show but to answer your bastion, yes, if you look at some of the they dohose in media, report that some of the documents that were released by

and -- edward snowden did show our own intelligence agencies were using -- what they're supposed to do is listen in on foreign nationals, foreign agents, foreign government, and so on. i have no problem with doing that. my concern is doing it on american citizens without a warrant. where any foreign government can listen in on someone's cell phone, it results in huge problems, from affecting people's conversations with their loved ones, to banking transactions, to stock trades, to blackmail. the amount of information the foreign governments can get from anyone talking on their cell phone, whether it is the ceo of a company, or an elected official. flaw to justx this because our intelligence agencies might have some benefit from using this flaw, that is outweighed by hackers and

foreign governments also being able to use it. if it was so easy to get into your phone, why did the fbi spend $1 million or whatever to break into the san bernardino -- that is a great question. these are different flaws. this is a network file that has nothing to do it the phone. it is what network you are using. the pounds with the apple iphone, because it was encrypted and had a pass code, and a future i to change the passcode put the wrong pass code into many times, it would wipe the phone clean. the fbi wanted to find a way to get around that and they did not know how to do it. eventually they asked some hackers who did it for them. host: do you as a congressman feel they should have done that? guest: i do not have a problem

with law enforcement trying to use whatever legal means they have to get evidence. the fbi andith ample place was the fbi was asking the company, apple, to do something extraordinary, create something they did not have, a new piece of software, design it, write it, test it, to weaken their own product. extraordinary overreach of federal power. imagine what the federal government could make vivus citizens and private companies to do. what else to people create or do just for law enforcement. to me, i thought the wrong -- that was the wrong precedent to set. florida, independent line. caller: good morning. i was just wondering how he feels about the fbi ruling, the supreme court ruling that they could hack into any computer without a warrant, maybe you

could go into a little more explanation about that? that is a great question that just happened recently. it basically allows the fbi and the court, you could have a judge in california authorize a of ah in new york computer. that seems problematic to me. will study the decision some more. if congress does not do anything, this becomes effective in a few months. if congress acts to stop it, it because thepen here decision just recently occurred, i will take time to study it. in general, he would allow our government to get a judge in any state to issue a ruling that affects some were thousands of miles away. host: via twitter --

guest: i don't know the answer to that question. i know the version the fbi got hackers to hack in the san bernardino case was an older version. not work on newer versions of iphones. i'm not familiar with all the various. host: who creates these encrypted apps? he goes on to answer the government creates these encrypted apps. the government can as well as the private sector. i have been to have used what's .t for my encryption for text that is a private sector company and facebook actually owns what's at. -- what's app. host: we have read about the bombers in belgium and what they

were using. strong using a very terrorist network. my reading about what happened in paris is those folks used temporary cell phone spirit it would not have mattered if law enforcement had a backdoor to those phones. and it is correct that if you have encryption, sometimes that people can use the same tools. keep in mind the benefits of encryption. banking toallows happen, e-commerce, it allows our military to talk about other militaries encrypted. allows our entire system to function. there are huge benefits to encryption that to me far outweigh the small possibility that some that people may be using it. even as we said here today, and

congress repeatedly asked the question, the fbi has not been able to come up with a single case where a backdoor would have prevented any terrorist attack anywhere. pj in montana. great show today. i would like to comment on a slightly different aspect of the whole thing about computer security. people, an increase in their complaining about identity being stolen. common sense that if you do not want your identity stolen, that you do not put it in your computer. yourbanking information, medical information, and things of that nature. if that were the case, i would imagine there would be less of personalft

information. do you agree? it is a good point you raised. in terms of how daily society functions, it would be very hard to actually implement. every time you swipe your credit card, that information can be stored somewhere. people have had their credit cards stolen because they used it at home depot or target. a lot of times, just you using products, whether or not you are conscious of it, information is being released from you to a third party. phone, itf the cell is like carrying a supercomputer in your pocket. is in someogy there way equivalent to the technology that launched a person to the moon. we now have all the technology in this small project -- product

and people have a vested amount of information in there that they carry around with them. that is why i'm a big believer in strong encryption. it keeps criminals in debt from getting your identity off of your cell phone. in 2013, over 3 million cell phones were lost or stolen in america. if you do not have a strong encryption, it will be a lot of identity asked and a lot of crimes being committed and someone getting the data off the phone. that is why i believe the fbi should also release how they hacked the iphone to apple. they're saying come we do not care about the millions of people who use iphones because we want to keep this secret to ourselves. a fed is not a good cost-benefit approach. host: larry is in indiana, republican line. caller: i had a comment for representative blue --

lieu.sentative i might be cynical. i worked with law enforcement. it seems almost like a collusion between the democratic party and we are on the dawn of the fbi getting ready for whether to indict or not and died hillary clinton. this could be a right-wing come spirit see -- right wing conspiracy. a couple of our twitter followers have done this as well. titus into the server, hillary clinton's server and whether foreign governments could have accessed that. i don't know the answer to the question but i know there is zero evidence that the former secretary of state broke any laws. keep in mind, foreign

governments can attack any server whether public or private. look at the massive cyber breaches last year. the federal governments, the office of personnel management, they had their databases repeatedly hacked. a database the federal government controlled, 20 million security records gone. millions of federal employees had their social security numbers released here that is why the issue of encryption is bipartisan. bill along with might the ship and democrat out of the state of washington and what the bill does is says states cannot go ahead and make companies put in backdoors to encryption. you cannot really have apple make an iphone just for nevada and nobody else, or just for new york. you have states like new york and california introduce

legislation to put in backdoor standards. the applet preempt all of that. it is an issue the federal government has to decide. next call is bill in maryland, independent line. you are on with ted little california. lieu of california. a lot of representatives are probably getting their phone hacked. also, it message, but see a lot of pictures of hillary clinton, where she is looking at a blackberry or a cell phone. i am assuming she is accessing her e-mail that way, remotely. behind that, i can hear that other phone or the secretary of

state has done the same type of practice. behind that, do you make recommendations and policy changes for the federal government in general, in the use of the cell phones and other mobile devices? thanks for that question. people who have access to the and areion communicating, do it on secure networks. subject to not be this flaw that has been identified. that networkto america's use every day. the problem with the flaw is it affects hundreds of millions of americans and foreign governments can listen in on a lot of people's cell phones just knowing the phone number. cannot tell you for a fact they are doing it to any particular member of congress, i

would just be surprised if they were not because they could. in terms of changes, i will be meeting with this -- with the house cio. they do a terrific job protecting the house of representatives in terms of cyber security. mobile setting, cell phones, laptops, tablets, to me, it is a huge gap. the issue you raised in terms of if i taked so on, myself own and go to the local coffee shop and i sign into the wi-fi network and it looks just like, for example, starbuck's network, but it turns out to be a hacker sitting a few feet away from me, i would not know that here once i enter the network, everything on my phone, that hacker sees. all this on our systems and servers goes away if you end up

signing on to what is called a spoof wi-fi network. it is one way to get your information release. peopleying to get more aware of how easy it is to get your identity stolen and how to better protect yourself. host: larry on twitter -- guest: guest i trust whatsap bad on what i know in what i have read. you can pick whatever you want to pick. host: right but facebook still has all access at some point in all of your text messages. if the federal government wanted could theyreason, access those text messages even though you are encrypted them? question.t is a great

it was one of the issues in the fbi versus apple case. apple device -- designed a product to encrypt and the fbi wanted them to create a backdoor and just give us the information. if it tried to get companies to inches phone abilities, i would generally oppose that. should the text message you send have the same leaguer -- legal standard as if he's -- if you mailed a letter to that person? in your view? it should.uld think keep in mind, law enforcement has a legitimate point that with we are creating dark they cannotes where access information. we have had these for a very long time, such as your bedroom,

the beach, there are a lot of pay -- places where we say, we will not have law enforcement monitoring these situations. papero have products like shredders, which have destroyed a lot of evidence that law enforcement would have loved to have gotten their hands on. we allow paper shredders and encourage them because they have a massive benefit of prevent -- protecting privacy and your identity. just because something may be useful for law enforcement, it does not mean when you apply it across america, that that is a good idea. in blue we maryland, please go ahead. owie, maryland, please go ahead. when wei am not sure started equating encryption with that behavior. encryption is actually saving information to make sure

people's information does not get into the public domain. i do not believe the fbi paid anybody to open any phone because we have nasa dancing around. they can get into an iphone. three, law enforcement needs to be up to date with what is going on in the encryption space and spend more money on those kinds of programs than some of the human intelligence that yields zero for them. they are trying to stop that people from using good products, they should be ahead of the curve and not behind the curve, break theto -- or to laws, so to speak. they do have to get a warrant to get the information. if i could get your comments on those things. are some great points you raised, especially on the issue of how law-enforcement is trying to make encryption seem like a bad thing. it is a phenomenally good thing. without encryption, you could

not do e-commerce ebay and amazon would not exist. you could not do that in a secure manner. you could not also do regular banking. so many things rely on encryption. in addition, you have folks who rely on encryption to protect themselves, from that foreign government. rights watchuman came out and opposed the fbi's position, supported apple, because you have people fighting for human rights all over the world are they have to use secure communications so they themselves are protected. then if you look at what happened in the panama papers expose by a lot of journalists, the only way that happened was we had journalists using encryption to communicate with each other because they did not want other people to know what was happening. the person who leaked the information to these journalists, demanded encrypted files.

encryption has a whole host of good benefits. thank you for your time. house representatives is getting ready to come in session. on c-span, we have got the white house correspondents dinner live on saturday night. we have got in-depth on booktv on sunday. enjoy the rest of your friday. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] the speaker: the house will be in order. the prayer will be offered by our chaplain, father conroy. chaplain conroy: let us pray. almighty merciful god, we give you thanks for giving us another day. we pray for the gift of wisdom to all with great responsibility in this house for the leadership of our