went unconscious. people around him didn't know him. went to pick him up. they were hit with a flash grenade. the group that went to save him right in front of the police because the police didn't want this gathering in front of them, horrific story. but scott just stood by his values when he regained consciousness ultimately came was was e hospital, he part in 2012 of the antinato summit in chicago. now, this is very interesting, what happened. scores of soldiers marched and they threw their medals back like what happened back in the early 1970's with john kerry when he came back from the vietnam war. they did the same, throwing their medals back. and these soldiers in 2012, two of the reporters that came, democracy now was there and did a number of shows on this. but two of the reporters that ent to cover it, the great

cinematogophraer who recently died at the age of 93, amazing film maker, and a young reporter named james foley. james foley, who of course is well known to everyone because he ultimately was beheaded by isis. he went back to syria after covering this event, this antinato protest. he was one, jim foley, who deeply believed in hearing eople's voices on the ground that perhaps to -- he covered war to end war. and he felt that the people of syria's voices were not being heard. he had already been held hostage in libya. he came here to cover the peace movement. he went back to cover the people on the ground who were the victims of war. and he ultimately would face the ultimate penalty for what he did. and he was beheaded by isis. his family, i just interviewed

at the sun dance film festival with his close friend brian oaks who made a film about him called the james foley story. it's very interesting to follow independent journalists to see the paths they take. host: you had the responsibility of being the president of the united states and you were facing what the last two presidents had faced, what would you have done differently? guest: i mean i -- host: when it came to the war. oirk war, afghanistan war. guest: not go to war. host: what would you do about protecting the american people? guest: i think what was shown at the time was saddam hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction. he was not an imminent threat to the united states. and even what tony blair, the prime minister who sided with george w. bush and committed forces to iraq, he was just interviewed by fareed zack arenada ya on cnn and asked what do you say to those who say that this, you know,

invasion of iraq would ultimately lead to the formation of isis? and he said, that is partly true. host: you go back to the 9/11 situation, you were on the scene down there. was it happenstance that you were that close? guest: we were the closest national broadcast to ground zero. we operated out of a hundred-year-old fire house at the time. september 11, 2001 was election day in new york. it was a primary day. and we were doing the broadcast at that time. we were in the garret and we couldn't see what was happening outside. we broadcast then at 9:00. now we broadcast live at 8:00 a.m. democracy now.org and on stations around the country. but then at 9:00. at 8:47, the first plane hit the first tower of the world trade center. we didn't know what had happened outside. we were just down the street. we were within the evacuation zone. 9:03 the second plane hit. we were doing a special that day and the connection between

terror and september 11, 1973. the day the president in chile died in the palace as the forces rose to power. sadly, the u.s. backed, nixon backed, kissinger backed forces rose to power in chile and would ultimately take control with a 17-year reign, killed thousands of chileans and other latin americans. that's what we were looking at on september 11 when this happened. we just continued to broadcast on september 11, 2001. the fire house was opened up. it was a decommissioned fire house and they were providing water to people, phones so they could call their families. we were just interviewing people as they came in through he day and broadcasting to whoever was taking our broadcast. then we stayed inside the fire house for the next days because we were within the evacuation zone and i felt if we went outside i was afraid the police would force us out because that's what they were doing to people in that area. but it was critical to keep on

broadcasting. because what was being projected to the rest of the world, the reaction i think was very different from what was happening on the ground. people streaming into parks holding candles, comforting each other. it was not a cry for war. in fact, there was a little sticker that artists against war put out all over that said, our grief is not a cry for war. and i think that, much more, expressed the sentiment. we were interviewing people like the late great historian howard zen who wrote people's history of the yaud states. he was saying we should be sending nurses and doctors into afghanistan not soldiers. imagine how the world would respond differently. you know, what happened on september 11 was horrific. 3,000 people incinerated in an instant. we'll actually never know how many people died on that day because those who go unaccounted in life go uncounted in death and they are the undocumented workers and folks who lived in that area or

worked there. host: so as we watch isis grow, you suggest that was caused by us? guest: i mean, i think it is, many people feel, including those like tulare, including you've heard the president refer to this, including those like tony blair, that you are seeing a growth of a force that came oust the destablization of iraq. i mean, saddam hussein, there a tyrant ion he was but he was not a threat to the united states. also, how did he stay in power for so long this tyrant who was oppressive to his own people? i mean, remember that handshake of donald rumsfeld and saddam ussein as the u.s. was providing support and financial support for saddam hussein under george h.w. bush. my colleague skerm scahill did a great job of showing this and showing that image. so for a long time the u.s. was supporting iraq and saddam hussein. then they turn against saddam

hussein. he didn't have weapons of mass destruction. why weren't we waiting for the u.n. weapons inspectors who were saying, wait? i mean, saying wait. let us do our work. but president bush was intent on attacking iraq from almost the minute, give it a day or two, after september 11. i mean, you hear his national security, you know, his national security czar and others saying, he was talking about iraq when we understood full well this wasn't coming from there. another issue that is a kind of sacred cow with the media that must be challenged is the questioning of saudi arabia. and the role that it has played over the years. i mean, if you ask most people, who was in those planes that were -- that went into the world trade center? you would think, given the

response of the united states, that it was iraqis. 15 of the 19 hijackers were from saudi arabia. what did president bush do at the time? he is on the truman balcony smoking a cigar with the saudi ambassador to the united states within a few days. what do they do when all planes are grounded? this fully documented? host: what is the motive then of george w. bush? the relationship to the saudis? guest: i mean, they were intent at the time on attacking iraq. there is a joke of the little boy saying to his father, what's our oil doing under their sand? it's not our oil. host: what is the motive if you're george w. bush? do you really want to go to war? do you want to see our own americans killed over there? i mean -- what is the reason? guest: it's a very good question, why president george w. bush, why vice president cheney, why secretary of defense donald rumsfeld, why

they committed so many innocent lives in this country. think about the soldiers who went to iraq, deeply committed to securing the united states. why were they sent to iraq? that is a very serious question. you know, interestingly, one of the people who signed up to be in the military who ultimately wasn't was edward snowden. wuven the great whistle blowers of our time. he ended up having his legs broken in training and he didn't go into the military. ended up working with the n.s.a. but had a deep commitment to the united states and ended up showing it in a different way. host: from your perspective though why do you think, i mean, was don rumsfeld and george w. bush and paul wolf witnesses, were they evil people? guest: i mean, when you look at the actions they engaged in, were they evil actions?

committing so many lives leading to the loss of not only american lives but lives in iraq and afghanistan? it's horrific what has happened. host: what do you think motivated them to do it? i mean, that's the question that's never been answered and obviously you were against it from the beginning and you demonstrated before it even started. what is the reason? host: that is a matter of saying what would be the reason after the september 11 attacks when we were so serious. we would attack a country who had nothing to do with the september 11 attacks. i do not know why they were so intent on taking out saddam hussein from iraq. there are many dicts in the world -- there are many dictators in the world. except the countries that we target are so often have resources the u.s. wants to control, for example like oil. but i think it is more complicated than that. all we can look at and all we can judge is the actions that

they took. why in their hearts? i can't tell you. host: okay. but in a democracy, your leaders are chosen by the people. he was re-elected in 2004. so the public must not have been unhappy. guest: that's another interesting issue are our elections. and when we started democracy 1995 i 96, the end of was in haiti. why was it that people and covering each team, people would go to the polls, risk their lives. but in the united states and in many countries in the world the vast majority of people vote. in the united states most people do not vote who are eligible. or it's like oo% or slightly higher. this -- it's like 50% or slightly higher. this is a very serious issue when we look at why people don't vote. i think there are many obstacles put in their path and a question of whether they feel there is a real choice but we have to look at why people are

elected with like 25% of the vote, which is something like along the lines of what george w. bush was elected by. host: so what happens when amy goodman says, it's time to quit? how does democracy now continue? guest: oh, democracy now is a group of deeply committed journalists and producers and i cohost with different people and work with journalists all over the country and around the world. democracy now is much bigger than me. host: but, still, you are the one that conceived it and you're the one that's hosted it. guest: i'm the founding host of democracy now but it will continue because, i mean, there is a new generation of journalists and reporters who are deeply committed to independent media. we are part of an independent media movement in this country and around the world that is much bigger than any one institution. host: looking back 20 years what were the different points along the way where you thought this might not work?

guest: i -- i didn't think that. host: or there was a hiccup? guest: i didn't think that from the beginning. we originally began with pacifica radio. then we went independent. we also expanded to television as well. and it has just continued to grow. i mean, i think being out in this country and around the world that hunger for independent voices has -- it's just enormous, so that wasn't really something that i thought from the beginning. host: so what can get in your way now at this moment forward? who are you dependent on? besides the money to keep you going, in other words, satellite? dish tv carries you? guest: yes. we're on public radio, public television, community radio stations, public access tv stations, on both satellite networks, on dish network, free speech tv, and link tv, on both directv and dish network and then around the world.

i mean, we pioneered a way to send, and this was because at the time the networks would spend millions. i mean even in saddam hussein's iraq they would pay millions of dollars to use the satellites. now we couldn't afford satellites like that. and so we pioneered a way to send broadcasts quality video way back through the internet so that we could send it to stations all over. and now of course that's commonplace. host: is that how they get it? through satellite? guest: they did. now we use satellites as well. we use every means necessary to get information out. and, you know, the internet is also something we have to fight for to remain open and free and not to allow the video companies and any of the corporate networks to rewrite the rules of the internet so that it's privatized. it is something that was developed with public resources and it is a great equalizer, the way we can talk with each other all over the world. host: so somebody might have

listened to this last hour and said you know amy goodman is not a lot different than a united states senator. she just has a different platform. guest: i'm a journalist. and i -- host: what is a journalist? guest: a journalist is, well, i can just say that what i do, you know, i started as a young person not in elementary school but junior high school and high school covering what was happening on our school, the principal, then i just took it to a larger stage beyond that. there is being chronicling what's happening, digging deep, going beyond he said/she said to look at what is happening in the world. chronicling it. it is not just a matter of different perspectives. some part of this is just being a forum for people to speak for themselves. another part is digging deep to get at the truth. and this issue of holding those in power accountable is

essential. that's why independent media is essential to any democracy and i hope we can be a model for around d institutions the country. so often we have documentary makers from all around the planet to chronicle democracy now to show a model that isn't state media, isn't corporate media, that is truly independent. host: got one minute. in 10 years what do you think you would be saying about the journalism of this country? independent ly media will be the par for the course. that it will be accepted. that it is unusual that you have weapons manufacturers, oil companies, and insurance industries running the essential check on power. that instead, it would be an outgrowth of the democracy saying we need independent

bodies that are monitoring and holding those in power accountable. host: our guest has a book out called "democracy now." it's 20 years covering the movements changing america. along with her brother, david goodman, and her friend dennis moynihan. thank you very much for coming. guest: thank you so much, brian. >> for free transcripts or to give us your comments about this program visit us at q & a.org. the programs are also available s c-span podcasts.

>> tonight on the communicators tim winter president of the parent television council on their recent report on the 20 ars of the tv content rating system. according to the report the system intended to protect children from violence, sex, and profanity on tv has failed. he is joined by the reporter for thompson reuters. >> there is actually no show on broadcast television, no series on broadcast television today that is rated appropriate for anything older than children. tv 14 is the oldest rating. even the most explicit content on primetime broadcast tv is rated appropriate for children to watch. we learned that the tv net works themselves rate the shows and we've learned that the tv advertisers who pay the bills for the networks rely on the ratings just like parents do. and so there is a conflict of interest in terms of rating content accurately, a lot of advertisers won't sponsor mature audience only content. therefore the tv networks don't rate anything as mature audiences and the system is

incapable of doing as it was intended. >> watch the communicators tonight at 8:00 eastern on -span 2. >> a headline in "time" magazine online. ted cruz doubles down on indiana as campaign struggles. the story says senator cruz's allies have long thought indiana fertile ground for his efforts if the nomination was still undecided. but on an nbc news/"wall street journal" poll yesterday found ted cruz trailing fellow republican donald trump in indiana by 15%. we'll have both of them on the c-span networks this evening. senator ted cruz is in indianapolis to talk with voters. we'll have live coverage here on c-span at 7:30 p.m. eastern. leading up to the indiana primary, the cruz campaign is airing an ad in the state called lying. >> i'm ted cruz and i approve this message.

>> donald trump is lying about ted cruz. cruz voted against e.p.a. and is fighting to stop t.p.p. uz stopped the gang of eight -- while trump funded them with $50,000 in contributions. trump also had a $1 million judgment for hiring ill legalize and still brings in hundreds of foreign workers to replace americans. what a phony. >> that ad is airing in indiana ahead of tomorrow's primary. and again we'll have senator cruz at a rally in indianapolis tonight live here on c-span at 7:30 p.m. eastern. and the subject of the ad, donald trump, is also in the hoosier state today campaigning in south bend. he'll be live on our companion network c-span 2 scheduled to get under way at 7:00. >> madame secretary, we proudly

give 72 of our delegate votes to the next president of the united states. >> news makers is pleased to kwlum this week a democrat representing arizona 3, the cochair of the progressive caucus in the house of representatives, long-time member of the hispanic caucus, and the senior democrat on the natural resources committee. thanks a lot for being with us. >> thank you. appreciate the invite. host: on the political level you are among the first members of congress to endorse bernie

sanders in his presidential campaign. guest: that is true. host: mike, you're up first. >> thanks, susan. congressman, as susan mentioned you are among the first supporters of bernie sanders in congress. we're at a point now in the campaign where we're looking at where the voters have been, you know, and right now senator sanders is just, he hasn't had a very good showing the last few weeks. he is down in the delegate count. do you see any hope for bernie sanders? is this over at this point? path to e still have a the nomination? guest: there is a path there that involves flipping super delegates who are either uncommitted or pledged and trying to get them to flip. i think it is going to be hard with elected super delegates. they have their own platform from which they can talk and

they've made endorsements so that is a difficult one. but, you know, there's quite a number. we're going to do well as we go finish out this rest of the primary ended up in california, but, you know, that being what it is, we understand that we have a tough road ahead. but there is a commitment and i agree with bernie that we have to let every vote count all the way through. this movement, this campaign began with total under estimation of what was possible. we've now established that there is a significant block of democrats on the left and on the progressive side of the agenda. and i think it behooves a party to understand that. but overall, i think we need to finish it out. i think there are statements to be made. issues to continue to promulgate. and to fold up the tent is not about an individual as bernie has said. it's about the message and the

issues that we've raised and they deserve their date. >> what would you consider and would you think senator sanders would consider at the end of this for lack of a better term a consolation prize? is it the platform that is going to be put together in philadelphia? is it what hillary clinton's going to be talking about as, perhaps, if she did secure the nomination, what is bernie sanders, if he is not the nominee, going to want to see come out of this? guest: i think the platform is critical. based on the percentage of the voters and the delegates that have been won that we'll have a role. we'll have a role and the ability to bring things to the floor. i think issues like the minimum wage, $15, the climate change issues that bernie has been very strong about, financial regulation and how we control the concentration of that in the hands of very few institutions, income inequality

which deals with the 15 dollar minimum wage, i think those are all going to be points that we feel that the people that have supported bernie, the people that have felt strong about that, college affordability, all of those issues, immigration reform as well, and i'm doing some -- undoing some of the things done in 1996 that create this had enforcement only mentality we've been on, all of those things are part of a platform. and i think if the party is to accommodate the message, not necessarily the messenger, the message, and like i said, there is a chunk, a significant bloc now on the progressive side of this party, not centrist, that needs to be respected in that process, so the platform obviously is going to be an area which we need to influence hat we stand for as a party. >> congressman, last night in california at a donald trump rally some protests started out

peaceful, got progressively uglier. passions are running very high on both sides in both contests. are you concerned as we go into the fall campaign and we gear up for the conventions that some of this violence might be -- we might be seeing more of this? how concerned are you? guest: i'm concerned about it. i think that what happened in california outside of trump's rally, i think his actions and his words are enough for us to be able to rally opposition and the opposition needs to be expressed at the ballot box. and any -- any protest has to be nonviolent. and i'm not -- and i think any time that violence erupts i think you begin to feed a narrative to trump that he can use very effectively in terms of not only rallying the people that he has but making himself out to be a victim. i don't think he is a victim by

any stretch of the imagination. so, yeah. i was concerned about it for, a, the violence and, b, the narrative that it causes. >> while we're on the political subject, you know, if, in fact, hillary clinton secures the nomination, obviously we're starting to talk a lot about the v.p. stakes, who she might share a ticket with. is there someone out there? i don't know. maybe you, who she might pick that is going to be able to bridge the divide that has emerged in the party between clinton supporters and the sanders supporters? guest: that would be the winners, you're mentioning hillary in this instance, that's their process. you know, i think it is -- it is almost impossible to interject yourself into that prerogative and say it must be so and so in order to satisfy us or satisfy this train of thought in the political sense. i think there are candidates

that can be bridge builders but, you know, that's been a discretion in the past and i think it's going to continue to be a discretion in this convention to the nominee. but it behooves as i said earlier to understand that there is a significant block, 40%, 42% at this point of voters that have gone with bernie. and independents where independents are allowed to vote. that is another issue of of the platform. the role of independents in democratic primaries and their ability to participate is a huge issue for the campaign. that needs to be looked at. needs to be accommodated. is that a personality that does that? maybe. but i think the content of the platform does that i think with more substance. host: while you're talking about open primaries another issue important to the campaign in revisiting the whole concept of eliminating super delegates, do you see pushing that in

philadelphia? guest: yeah. i mention super delegates. i think there's the question of personality, winner take all, how that whole process works. i think it has to be discussed. the super delegates were put in there to try to keep extremes from dominating. well, the fact of the matter is that, you know, it plays now a role way out of proportion to any navigating that was intended to do at the beginning, political navigating. super delegates, unelected, appointed by the party structure, appointed by state parties, appointed by national parties. i don't think they've earned the ability to be -- to make those kinds of decisions in the sense that everybody else has to go through a process. i'm a super delegate. i'd be glad to have that be a contested issue down the road, because if we are going to make

our party more democratic, we have to take that specter out, reform that specter, change how it is applied. i don't know the exact outcome, but super delegates, their role, the number of them that exists, i think it's all open for a change. >> congressman, as a native arizonaan, i've been hearing for about 20 years or so that democrats are really focusing on trying to turn arizona into a purple state, into a swing state. is a trump nomination for the republican party something that could be a tipping point in arizona? guest: i think it can be in arizona. it condition reestablish the party in new mexico. it can be decisively in -- decisive in colorado, florida. and, specifically, among latino voters. registration has gone up tremendously. turnout will be high.

i told people that a lot of strategy for turnout will have to go out the window if trump is the nominee, which he appears to -- going to be. the under performing among latino voters in arizona has been what's hurt state wide races and in some congressional areas and state legislative races. so you raise that performance, these are new voters that have not voted before. they don't have alliances to anything. and they're new voters going in, they're motivated by a need to defend their existence in this country. they can play a huge role. a huge role. >> looking at some of the other races we've seen as the cochair of the progressive caucus, you've seen one of your members ran for a senate seat. she wasn't able to prevail over chris van holland in maryland,

in pennsylvania. we had a similar dynamic in the presidential, the senate race there. a senate -- a sanders endorser, aligned with bernie sanders, what do you make of these races where progressives have tried to take on so to speak the establishment democrats and have not quite made it? are there any lessons from these races? do you think progressives are getting support from the party to make a difference? rep. grijalva: i think that ties into your question about the convention. it ties into your question about state parties, county parties, their infrastructure, the ir political infrastructure, and the national parties. the fact that it is -- the coziness of how decisions are made, who is anointed and who is not, kind of precludes the kind of competitive races you need to have in order for this party to

establish its identity. that is what is going on with the democratic party and maybe politics as a whole in this country defining who we are as a nation, politically. i think for our party, i think those races are healthy. they are necessary. the fact is some prevailed and others didn't. i don't think it was as clear. i think in the van hollen-edwards race, van hollen had some cred on progressive a lot of progressive issues and was able to talk about that. he had some cred among immigration advocates that he was able to talk about and get support on. it was not as clearly defined. i would suggest that as we go forward, you are going to see particularly at the legislative level and lower down the ticket and local races more and more progressives jumping into the races, feeling now that they have an opportunity and hopefully the party structure and that infrastructure will begin to recognize that this is

a healthy process as opposed to trying to suppress that effort. i think a clean race -- i have seen it in arizona. young people are running with very progressive agendas and various legislatures and city councils and doing well. are they winning all the time? no, but it is an evolution. people are kind of flexing their ability. for many years, you kind of felt isolated. i am the only one thinking this or i should be careful what i say or not say it at all. now you are seeing because of bernie's campaign, an explosion where people feel a comfort zone politically in electoral politics that they did not have before. mike: if we are done with the political portion of the questions, you are involved in some serious policy and legislative issues right now. first off as ranking member of

the house of natural resources committee, you are in the thick of the debate right now over what should be done about puerto rico's debt crisis. we have a bill that was put forth earlier this month, it is and it seems to be stuck in the committee. i am hoping you can give us an update on where that legislation is and where you see the prognosis at this point. rep. grijalva: i wish i could give you a prognosis that says we will miss the deadline may 1 but somehow before july we will steer puerto rico back to a billion dollar hit down the road in terms of defaulting on that part of it. i am not sure because i think what is happening in terms of the republican leadership and their caucus, they are trying to thread it through a needle through their caucus and getting a majority of the majority, which they have not been able to do. as it tilts more and more to a different direction because we have raised our concerns, we don't think it should be given

over to the commonwealth, the refuge, the 3000 acre refuge. it is a bad precedent. we have seen a big effort on the part of my colleagues on the other side to try to turn federal land and parts over to states and counties. this will be a precedent that all of us are aware of. the issue of diversifying the energy production on the island. then you go to the other things, the minimum wage issue. here we have democrats carrying the flag for raising the minimum wage to $15, and now we are being asked to vote on something that would cap it for people under 25 at $4.50. protecting pensions, letting them be at the same place in the line with the hedge funds in order to make at least part of their retirement whole for those workers. overtime rules and the structuring of the oversight. we have raised these concerns over and over. if it is to get done, it to

is going to require a significant number of democratic votes. the leadership, speaker ryan, the chairman of the committee have to understand that there has to be some accommodation to democrats in order to pass this that requires them to take some of their messaging ideological points out of it and deal with the fiscal reality because very soon what we are talking about now is a fiscal crisis. we will be talking about a humanitarian crisis of huge proportions on the island. what are we going to do? provide no relief to 3.5 million american citizens living in puerto rico? of course not. i think my colleagues are being foolish in not dealing with this and allowing -- the import, export bank is a good example. 170 democrats, 60 republicans. you passed it. nobody is complaining about it

now. i think we are at the same point right now where ryan will have to deal with this hastert rule and make his caucus understand that this can continue to mushroom into a deeper and deeper humanitarian crisis on this island, and it is a sad situation for the people of puerto rico. jason: just to give our viewers an idea, on monday, there is the first debt load of $422 million due that may be the beginning of a default. mike and i spend way too many hours at the capitol each week, and i certainly did not see much of a priority being given to any kind of negotiations. it did not seem like there was a lot going on of outreach from one party to another. everything seemed very underground. rep. grijalva: you have a take

that is necessary to get this done so we can read some compromises is not occurring. the negotiations seem to be within the republican caucus and then to some extent treasury. there is some point where that give-and-take will create something that is passable, but we have not reached that. i have facetiously said that the latino people are sometimes stereotyped and accused of being the manana people, we will get to it tomorrow. i have not seen that kind of urgency at all in the republican caucus through this whole thing. they're just does not seem to be the depth of understanding about what this can mushroom into, and that is what worries me the most. jason: is there any outrage at outreach at all from the republicans? rep. grijalva: discussions are occurring from staff to staff on individual members to individual members, but where that has fundamentally changed the content of that draft bill that was presented five weeks ago?

no. mike: my conversations with chairman bishop, he seems to think that if he negotiates this with treasury, if the administration signs off on it, democrats are going to fall in line. is he mistaken on that? if the treasury gives thumbs up to whatever he works on that out that democratic lawmakers will follow suit? rep. grijalva: not necessarily. that has not happened in the past. it did not happen with tpp an fast-track and a couple other items. we have heard consistently from the white house. i do know if that has changed. we have heard from senate leaders that over time, nonstarters and minimum wage, nonstarters. this is not a new objection that we have interjected into this process. this objection was clear and obvious to the republican leadership months and months ago.

mike: there has been quite a bit of outside advocacy on this issue and has been mainly from people who are characterizing this as a bailout who oppose the bill. there is a widespread belief on capitol hill that this is the influence of bondholders or a subset of bondholders that don't want a deal to get done because that means they will retain their privilege in a default. my question is do you think that there needs to be a counter campaign from its advocates to get through to members, especially these republicans who are now laboring under the impression that this is a bailout that this is in fact the best path forward? rep. grijalva: i think there has to be a higher profile on the part of all advocates for a reasonable and just deal, a humane deal for the people of puerto rico. yes. i am confounded all the time of

by the fact that we know that this is serious, we know that the hedge funds want to be at the front of the line and make it as whole is possible at the expense of everything else, we know who is paying for the ads on television. six months ago, we had an understanding. hedge fund lobbyists came in, stopped that particular deal, and now they are trying to torpedo this one. they want to be the first ones on default. they want to be the first ones at the beginning of the line, and in the process, this crisis that a few mentioning that we are all going to be talking about in four or five weeks, the humanitarian impact in puerto rico will be huge. one out of four people in puerto rico are susceptible to the zika virus. what initiatives are we going to take to deal with that? kids are out of schools. schools are being closed. unemployment rates are through the roof. nutrition issues are coming up. public health issues are coming up.

here we are. mike: of course, the migration issue, too. the residents of puerto ricans are u.s. citizens who can come to the mainland at any moment. rep. grijalva: exactly. you are a kid under 25 of puerto in puerto rico, you are working at arby's, and arby's because of the new deal says we will pay you $4.50 an hour. new york city, they are paying $12, $13. what are you going to do? jason: do you think that the unions we are seeing are starting to get involved with some messaging? is that the most natural sort of ally for democrats and some of their priorities with the bill or are there other outside groups that you expect to counter the message from some of these conservative groups? rep. grijalva: i think the bondholders that have indicated their support for something reasonable, something other than what we are seeing, i think they need to be louder on this thing. the fiscal managers of those, and we have had them testify and say it is a good deal. you just need to remove some of these.

we don't need that. the energy sector from all sides needs to be part of it. i think you have to get that business economic voice heard. the labor and union voices going is going to be heard, and it is already being heard. most democrats are respectful and responsive to that voice. there is another voice that my republican colleagues have to hear, and that is the economic cliff that they are setting up not just for puerto rico, but in a sense, for a lot of other things. mike: in particular, this issue with pensioners. does more need to be done to make sure that pensioners are not left hung out to dry in this process beyond what was previously done? rep. grijalva: equitably treated through this process. that is what being asked. that they not be left out of the

process, which is what is being asked now entirely, and is everybody going to be 100% whole at the end of this? no. that is the process of a default. that is the process of restructuring. but to eliminate a group so that that particular resource can be used in another area to pay off a hedge fund, i think that is what we are talking about, a fairness issue. mike: are you confident the treasury department has those interests at heart in their negotiations? rep. grijalva: at least my conversation with the secretary, yes. susan: sorry to interrupt. do you have a final question or a final issue? jason: i do have one. congressman you are the top , democrat on natural resources. but also, we are coming to the end of president obama's term. he has probably a full agenda. what would you like to see from your perspective be part of his

environmental legacy as he prepares for his final executive actions in orders? rep. grijalva: antiquities act. to use it and use it effectively and to use it in areas that are iconic, important, vital not only for issues of environment, but issues of water and protection. grand canyon i think needs to be protected. i would hope that he would look at that. susan: that is it for our time. thank you for being our guest this week. rep. grijalva: you are welcome. susan: after our conversation with raul grijalva, the lead democrat on the natural resources recovery ground in both areas. let's start with politics. i wonder what you are picking up as senator sanders's longer-term influence on progressives in the house and state and local races

as well. >> i think that is interesting. the sanders campaign is starting to wind down. he is laying off staffers. the delegate count for hillary clinton is insurmountable for all intents and purposes. but i think there is something to the encouragement that he offers a lot of a new generation of politics of people who may not have thought about running for city council at that lower level. george mcgovern for as modern as he got in 1972, the also inspired an entire generation of democrats to enter the field. in the next year in 1974, and it was helped out by the watergate scandal, democrats took law hold of the house in a new coalition mcgovern helped build. you don't always have to win something like this in order to win long-term, and i think there may be something to people

feeling a little encouraged now. mike: i think it is clear that the democratic party wants to take advantage of this energy and this movement that he has built as much as possible. the big question is, is bernie sanders going to be a good democrat going forward? keep in mind, he has not been a democrat for his entire political career. i think to the extent that he is willing to play the part of a team now, he will get a lot of cooperation from democrats who are eager to tap the influence he now has, but it will be a two-way street obviously. you heard that in wahhabist and grab all the -- you heard that in what congressman grijalva said. this could be a very happy relationship going forward, but

at this point, that is not at all certain. susan: his becomes more important. the social media campaigns may be able to influence? jason: i am skeptical. we have seen senators i can claim social media support or congressional support. they were able to influence the process but not in a way that i would consider significant in terms of how the leadership structures and he priorities it goes toward. i feel like we cannot emphasize enough that the real value in a bernie sanders campaign from the democratic party's perspective is their bench is really thin right now. their leadership is down for a long time. they are really starting to run out of people at the lower

levels that they can start promoting on intellectual basis across the country -- on an electoral basis across the country. susan: puerto rico reaches another deadline in the debt crisis. can you help people understand the context of the discussion you are having with congressman grijalva? mike: oh boy. where to begin. puerto rico i-72 billion dollars in debt to bondholders. the debt service is swallowing the territorial revenues. they need some relief to that if they are to provide their services, police, schools, fire, etc. the territorial legislature has declared a moratorium that they are not going to make payments going forward. they have an even bigger payment in july. something's got to give. it has been put forward by speaker ryan, by democrats, by

the chairman of the natural resources committee, and by mr. grijalva. is this going to be a chaotic process? this is what happens without for more restructuring? or will we have an orderly bankruptcy process where a judge describes who comes first, who comes last and works through this in an orderly manner? we don't know where we will end up. susan: does the senate have a legal responsibility or is it a moral one? jason: it is a little bit of both. a lot of this debt is not guaranteed by the federal government or any government entity. a lot of it is privately held bonds. it is structured in a way that there are so many different types of structures of death in puerto rico. it is mind-boggling how complicated it can be. -- debt in puerto rico. it is mind-boggling how

complicated it can be. how do you let something like this happened? huddy let the government to get to a place where it may not be able to function and a humanitarian crisis where you do not have firefighters, police officers, teachers, anyway of keeping what we take for granted in society. mike: the congress has complete autonomy over what they can do. there are a lot of republicans that leave congress should not go and retroactively changed contracts, which is what these bonds are so the agreements get changed. in particular, the bondholders who thought they had the full faith and credit of the territory securing their debt and what they are owed now being consumed by congress as well. that is a big part of the debate right now. jason: it is important to note that it is not just hedge funds

in new york and connecticut the whole credit on these. these are some very small mom and pop credit unions in puerto rico that are responsible or have had their credit extended. that gets into how complicated it is getting. susan: congressman laid down a dire scenario that if nothing is done in a timetable, congress can find a way to act on it. thank you for being on "newsmakers" this week. >> we learn the tv networks

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>> craig dunn joins us in .ndiana and he joins us now to talk about tomorrow's primary. when was the last time that indiana actually had a primary on the republican side that made a difference? 1976.>>

ronald reagan and gerald ford. >> how republicans preparing this time around? frankly, we have had to learn the whole process over again. there were people around that time that are still active in politics. that is the great thing about being in indiana right now. we are loving it. we are political junkies. you commented there is a presidential candidate standing there, it is an experience that have notrs -- hoosiers had. >> this is an open primary correct? >> the person declares the ballots they want to deceive -- received at the polling place.

you can be a democrat, and if you decide you want to vote for donald trump, you just ask for a republican ballot. it is as open as it can possibly be. we do see some of that from primary to primary. >> can voters register to vote tomorrow? or has registration ended? was open until recently. tomorrow will be too late for you. >> expectations for turnout tomorrow? >> if i can use the early voting at the absentee balloting as any kind of guidance point, i would say we will have a record primary voting. i spoke to our secretary of state 10 days ago, and we are running well ahead of our record pace. i would expect that to be the case. i voted last monday.

we are talking with craig dunn about the indiana primary tomorrow. we are talking about the republican side. craig dunn is the chairman of the howard county republican party. we have phone lines for democrats, republicans, and independence as usual. in and talkto call about what you're seeing in your steak. if you have many candidate, if you have heard them speak. wante we get into calls, i your thoughts on this ted cruz-john kasich alliance. some call it a short-lived alliance in the upcoming states. >> i think it is going to go down in history as a nonevent. we have estimated about 30% of our voters had already voted

early. because of that, a lot of the impact of a potential alliance is probably for not. our voters are not necessarily a different breed than other states, but i do know the does not taker kindly to people telling them how to vote. i don't think it will matter at all. most will vote the way they originally intended to. that alliance is nothing more then a gesture that was going to be pretty obvious more important than anything is just time. i think that is what this is all about. john kasich is spending his money and time and resources in states that could be more productive to them. it probably could have been done without announcing a formal alliance, but i do not think it

will impact the final results. . host: donald trump brushing off this alliance between ted cruz and john kasich as a desperate move by campaigns that are close to dropping out of the race. news sunday yesterday, ted cruz was asked about this sort of last stand in indiana storyline. here's the exchange. [video clip] >> i agree that indiana is incredibly important. regardless of what happens in indiana, donald trump is not getting to 1237. we are heading to a contested convention. i will have a ton of delegates. donald trump has a ton of delegates. it's going to be a battle to see who can earn a majority of the delegates elected by the people at the convention. the reason donald is so frantic to say the race is over and trying to get his media acolytes to say the race is over is because donald knows he cannot

earn a majority of the delegates that were elected by the people. if you cannot win a majority, it means you cannot unite the party. and you can't win. host: if donald trump does win tomorrow, what are your thoughts? is it over for the ted cruz campaign? guest: there are a lot of working part in the process that still have not unfolded. i do not think it automatically trump as te donald the winner, but there is this drip effect of every vote in every state that goes for trump. it makes it more difficult with the less votes he needs to pick up in the remaining primary states in order to win. certainly indiana is a very important state. i would say that it is either trumps win or his waterloo. host: the latest polls published

in "the wall street journal" today has donald trump at 49% and ted cruz at 34% and john kasich at 13%. craig dunn, you are a guy who noted on your blog that you had a john kasich sign in your yard. talk about the path ahead for john kasich. guest: john kasich strategy from the very beginning when he started with a 17 candidate field and we went through that mockery of televised debates that degenerated into sophomoric name-calling and bullying, john kasich most of that time was down on the end in the debates. he would find himself being outnumbered many times in terms of the amount of time he received at the debate. he decided early on in the that acquiring delegates

during the primary process was not the target for him and you do to wage a 1237 campaign of hoping for a contested convention and hoping that it goes to a second ballot, which will give him a greater chance. i think that is consistent. isfact, the indiana strategy such that i think part of why he felt comfortable about leaving indiana and going on to oregon in new mexico was that i would feel comfortable that a majority of the delegates in indiana, if things would go to the second ballot, would probably back john kasich. i think that is what his strategy is. i am disappointed that he was not here going door-to-door and attending on lincoln day events in those type of things, but i understand the 1237 strategy. every candidate has to run their own race. i think that is his strategy. ultimately, if it is a contested convention, i think it will be

successful for him. host: we have a special line for indiana voters in the segment at (202) 748-8003 as we talked to craig dunn. rick is in marion, indiana. good morning. you are on with craig dunn. caller: how're you doing? i want to ask what do you think about donald trump's for bringing manufacturing jobs back to indiana because we have lost a lot of jobs in my county. from my understanding, we lost over 10,000 manufacturing jobs in our county. guest: i certainly admire anybody whose goal is to increase manufacturing jobs in the state of indiana or in the united states for that matter. of course, the rub is how you go about doing it. if you talk about unilateral abrogation of previously negotiated trade agreements, i think you are potentially

opening a can of worms there and could cause some serious problems. largely is the law of unintended consequences. to assume automatically that our tode partners will allow us act solely in our economic self-interest without any sort of corresponding response on their part is maybe a little naive. i think we need to focus perhaps more on retraining our workforce and looking for areas that are particular unique to the united states manufacturing process to bring those jobs back. at to mention the fact that total restructuring of our tax code, perfectly relative to corporate tax rates that reward corporations frankly for keeping their process offshore, if we can repatriate those that to the united states, i think you'll see unprecedented job creation. host: we are talking with craig dunn, in indiana columnist.

howiepolitics.com. we are focusing on the republican side because craig dunn is a gop party chair in howard county. anthony, good morning. caller: how're you gentlemen? host: go ahead. caller: i will vote republican just to continue this parties viability in the future. is -- i'my question still undecided. which candidate on the republican side is able to perhaps have a victory over the democrats? secondly, does donald trump's favorability exceed both john kasich and ted cruz? host: craig dunn? guest: we have two issues there. , which isctability

largely at the republican convention, if i get an opportunity to vote on a second ballot, i will make my decision based on electability in november. if you believe the polls as they are today, and i am very mindful of the fact that pulls can change and candidate strategy can move forward, but essentially today in a head-to-head contest with hillary clinton, donald trump is trailing hilly clinton by eight percentage points. ted cruz is behind the lakeland by proximately three percentage points. john kasich is leading by eight percentage points. it is very difficult to average that, but i can tell you in 16 consecutive national polls, john kasich has shown that he would be ahead of hillary clinton in each one of those polls. as far as your second point is ask that question

again if you would please. host: it was about electability and talking about favorability. guest: on the favorability issue, i do not think there would be any doubt right now in the republican party that donald trump, out of the people who ,ave voted in the primaries that his favorability would be higher than the other candidates. what we have to look at is the net favorability because he is off the charts on the negative. so is hillary clinton from that standpoint. we are looking at a person that is popular in a segment of the republican party, but yet, the net unfavorables are just off of the chart. for instance, seven out of 10 women are telling us as they leave the polls that they will not vote for donald trump. i think hispanics are running north of 70% that will not vote for donald trump. you get to the point in time

where mathematics start piling up against you. it is going to be very difficult to cobble together a coalition that can win in the fall when your net negatives are so high. host: let us go to ohio where mary is waiting peri. caller: i have two points. the first one is it donald trump is such a great negotiator, why didn't he go to indiana or tried to save the carrier jobs? why did he not try to make one of his great deals? my second point is why is the mainstream media afraid to talk about his association with epstein and orangey island? dunn on the carrier plant, remind our viewers what that was. guest: that as a manufacturing plant engaged in the heating and manufacturingss,

heating and cooling products. they announced that they would ship a sizable number of jobs to mexico to be manufactured. i do not know if it was donald trump's place to come in and try to negotiate from moving there, but i do know that in indiana, both republicans and democrats exercise a lot of pressure and were able to get carrier to reduce the number of jobs. originally it was close to 2000 jobs that would be outsourced to mexico. now it is going to be little north of a thousand jobs. governor pence played a very strong role in that in keeping and i sure thousand jobs here in indiana. as far as the other question is concerned, i would not have an opinion on that. host: you bring up governor pence, indiana governor mike pence. cruziday, he endorsed ted in his appearance on w ibc radio in indianapolis.

[video clip] >> choose the man who are shown courage and his convictions. it is not a popular thing and washington, d.c. to take on the leadership of your own party. i know that. i did it when i was there. i opposed runaway spending whether it was republican administration and congress or a democratic administration. let me be very clear. i respect the right and the views of every hoosier in making their the termination in the upcoming primary election. i urge every hoosier to make up their own mind. for me, to lead is to choose. choosinghis time of when people all across america are looking to indiana to make a decision, i just wanted to make my decision known. let me be very clear on this. whoever wins the republican

nomination for president of the united states, i'm going to work my heart out to get elected this fall. pence'saig dunn on mike endorsement of ted cruz -- your thoughts? guest: it struck me as somewhat of a tepid endorsement frankly. he preceded the comments that with being very complementary to donald trump for bringing in millions of new voters into the republican primary process before he got around to endorsing ted cruz. march, it the long probably will not have tremendous bearing on this. i think a lot of people's minds were made up. frankly i was surprised that he did the endorsement. he has a pretty tough race coming up this fall. there is no particular reason to

irritate either side going into the fall. he expressed himself what he was going to support. he was encouraging people to vote either way. he just wanted to let people know how he was going to vote. that is about as mild and endorsement as you can give. host: in terms of moving people to the ballot box, do you think coach bobby knight's endorsement of donald trump was perhaps a better get in the state? guest: bobby knight is at one point in time was fairly reviewed in the state of indiana. it has been about 20 years since he has had any real impact on the state. at that point in time, we have gotten tired of his holy and behavior -- bullying behavior with the press and the fans. i guess i would say it's absolutely no surprise to me that he would support comes from. they -- that he would support donald trump. they are two peas in a pod when

it comes to boorish behavior. i do not think his endorsement will have any impact in the state of indiana. host: let's go to our line for democrats. melvin is on the line in fort lauderdale, florida. caller: when you are talking about industry and all the jobs lost in indiana, how come that no one brings up the fact that donald trump from the new york clothing district since all his clothing lines overseas? he is talking about how he's going to bring back in industry from china and mexico and whatever. he actually sent his clothing line over there for them to actually perform the tasks of making the product. i really do not understand why forget that when they talk about trump and the rhetoric. host: craig dunn? guest: sometimes good politicians make good magicians.

of every magician is to get you looking at one hand while the other hand is making things disappear or ap or. -- appear. that is largely the case with donald trump. he has made statements that i do not believe can be supported with fact. rationalnal and -- a and positions that i do not think it ever be borne out in the united states c. and yet, unless the press will hold his feet to the fire and ask for specific details, such as this gentleman is suggesting, i think you may get away with it. it is very important to ask questions such as, how are you going to afford a 50 foot wall across the united states border? we do not have the money to pay for that. are you really going to deport 11 million immigrants here in the united states, round them up door-to-door?

i do not think we are going to do that in the united states. are we going to abrogate our treaties with our trading partners? i do not think that is going to happen. if you want to see the discomfort and anger of the voters like we saw was some of the unfulfilled promises that the tea party made back in 2010 and a lot of the candidates who pandered to the tea party in 2010, i think you'll see even greater anger when they realized that the president is somewhat limited in what he can do and he still has that pesky congress to deal with. i think point like this are very valid. there are inconsistencies in donald trump's record. --ther it's gone on her show gun ownership or right to life, he is waffled quite a few times to that. media holdnational his feet to the fire, i will hold fox news to that.

they're pretty much given him a past to his inconsistencies. when they ask him a question, he is totally vilify them to be point where they are coward bed by it. host: let's go to frank in new jersey. caller: good morning. how are you today? i have a question on cruz. five no problem with the press theing trump's feet to fire, but as for ted cruz abolishing the internal revenue service, how can he possibly abolish the irs? you have corporations like ibm and at&t and such that file corporate tax returns. you have partnerships and trust and the like. you have employers who pay payroll taxes, file hundreds of millions of you have brokerage forms that

one and 90 nines -- 1099 stocks and bonds. my question is, why hasn't the press put cruz's feet to the fire on a statement that he is going to abolish the internal revenue service? host: who are you supporting a republican primary? caller: i don't know yeah. host: craig dunn, go ahead. guest: this is another one of those issues that campaign -- that candidates make on the campaign trail that the reality may be greater than the campaign. that 30 years from now, we will have the irs no matter who is elected president. you are going to be around.

-- they are going to be around. i don't think we have to have revenue. there will be those who always try to avoid that revenue collection. just for that reason alone, you will need the irs. the size might be arguable. here we go with a simple filing status that would require a flat rate tax that you could file on the proverbial -- certainly, and enforcement in fancifulhose areas is to think that can't be done. host: mary, good morning. you're on with craig dunn. caller: i was going to ask, if bernie sanders happens to be the nominee for the democrat, how many points ahead or behind other republican candidate? you that it was

during president clinton's time that china was brought into the wbo. it took a lot of jobs from united states to china. ison't think hillary clinton going to be any different. i think bernie sanders is the only one who is really willing to fight for old and young, and the common man. , you know, that is not being brought out. host: craig dunn. same: i would say on that -- polling head-to-head, bernie sanders would be all three public and candidates -- beat all three rick public and -- all three republican

candidates. when a sharp contrast is made between capitalistic approaches to running our economy and socialistic methods of running our economy, i think you would see a clear diversions and the american public. when those -- clear diversions in the american public. everyone knows nothing is free. you would see which candidate which -- that bernie sanders went up against. bill is in lansing, michigan. bill, good morning. i would like the gentleman to tell me, the republican party has spent $70 million running negative as against donald trump. what do you expect his negatives to be? he is in your party.

what kind of crazy people are you anyway? run by ahe country is bunch of communists. the only difference between our , theyment and russia's have a one headed monster, and we have a two headed monster. the republican party has not spent a single dime against any candidate or for any candidate. our party does not do that. we have a bottom-up, grassroots republican party, both on the state level and on a national level, and our parties are neutral from that standpoint and haven't spent a single dime. now the gentleman saying there have been republicans, particularly some of the wealthy ones that have funded special pa cks. he has a valid point. they have.

that is not the republican party. the republican party just does not do that. that is a huge mess -- myth. there is no republican party establishment that is planning the outcome of this presidential race. if we had, -- if we had that kind of a powerful organization, do you really think we would allow to start off with 17 candidates and turned into the circus that it has? i don't think so. there is no doubt that there are people that have used their financial resources against donald trump. by the same token, or are people who user financial resources to remove donald trump. i don't see any problems with it. but i promise him, the republican party itself, nowhere has used its financial resources or against any candidate. host: first donald trump ready for the republican primary to be over with him as a nominee. he started targeting hillary

clinton in comments he has made. he was on fox news yesterday as well. here is an exchange with chris wallace about some of the comments felt up made about hillary clinton. [video clip] >> to say -- it was a senator, secretary of state four years. to say if she was a man she would not run. isn't that dismissive? said worseanders than that. that she is not qualified to run. that she is not capable. bernie sanders, what he said was a lot worse than what i said. i am going to use that. bernie sanders said she should not be allowed to run. that she is not capable. and what he said is incredible. it is a sound bite. as soon as he said it, they broke in and said, i can just imagine donald trump watch these

remarks that bernie sanders is making about clinton. she is a strong person. she should be able to take it. the only card she has is a woman's card. she has done a lousy job. even women don't like her. it is a woman's card and she plays it. i will let you know in six months if she plays it well. i don't think she will play it well at all. it is true, if she weren't a woman, she would not be in this race. thoughtsig dunn, your on donald trump saying clinton is find the woman lost -- the woman's card. doing a verynot good job of keeping her from playing the woman's card. some of the things he is saying is unprofessional. you couldn't expect hillary clinton not to take advantage. you play the hand you're dealt. qualifications, i would say she has a resume of

jobs she has done. that does not necessarily say she has done those jobs well. fact, if she would happen to be elected president, it would be the classic, quintessential of the peter principle of rising to your level of incompetence. she is there. have the job titles along the way, but her levels of accomplishment, each of those steps have been fraught with continuous, liberal spending, gun-control advocacy, every liberal policy you can possibly .ush, she has done that secretary of state was one disaster after another. i think donald trump is right for not respect, but, it is probably a good strategy to focus on women. they represent over 50% of our voting base. he has created a fertile environment to try to take those voters away from the republican party. host: back to the phones.

tom is in virginia. caller: good morning. i want to make a comment on illegal immigrants. somehow, likeas , [indiscernible] i am against donald trump. i don't know why he is so against john kasich, because he is one of the best candidates. in differentence

areas. he would be the one who can take us to win in november. i am a woman. but i don't vote for hillary. i agree with the gas. -- i agree with the guest. host: all right. issue ofn, on the illegal immigration and how it is playing in the primary, particularly in indiana? --st: i don't really think it is a safe issue for both cruz and trump to express their opinions on. their view is not too terribly different -- donald trump is putting a lot of his efforts into the construction of a wall to wall people out. walls don't really do that. that is without consideration of the financial implications of

it. but ted cruz has made no secret of the fact that he believes we need -- before we look at any pathway to legal residency in the united states, we need to tie illegal immigrants to united states and step up border enforcement and reverse the obama policy, that has made an open door to the southern border. on the subject of a wall, and who is going to pay for the wall . the whole issue of are we really going to deport 11 million people from united states? control, we can't drugs. we couldn't control illegal imports of alcohol and we will not be able to control 11 million people, round them up, and ship them out. i know that is a concern of people who are living here in the united states without proper documentation. i think there is a copper path for us -- i think there is a

proper path for us to advocate and hopefully after this election is over, we will arrive at some conclusion. it is serving a divisive issue. this has been donald trump's entire strategy from the very beginning. the illegal immigrants offer a group of people that he can anyck and beat on without real, strong ramifications at the polls in the republican primary. he can vilify them and make them the ones that are taking the jobs away from us and take on the chinese and the mexican, .ight on down the line and they don't have those voting rights in our primary, so it is a safe issue for him. it becomes a little more problematic in the fall and i think that is what we are going to be dealing with. one of my great concerns is chairman ryan's, did an extensive look at what our party needed to do to expand itself, to appeal to the majority of the voters in the united states, and

donald trump has taken every single point of that and has done everything he could to destroy that ability to do it. , notis my major concern only just the electability in november, but the long-term, by ability of the republican party. it host: a reminder to our viewers, if you want to hear from the candidates themselves, we are covering a couple of campaign rallies ahead of indiana's primary tomorrow at tonight, -- at 7:00 tonight, donald trump will be in south bend, indiana. ted cruz will be holding a campaign rally in indianapolis. we will be airing that live at 7:30 here on c-span. we had a few more minutes with craig dunn as we talk about indiana politics looking ahead to tomorrow's gop primary. .pecial line for indiana we will head to joan from rockville, maryland. good morning. guest i don't think your

has been fair to ted cruz's flat tax. -- 10% non endorsed payroll taxes. felt that this will encourage the economy to a great point like it did with reagan. cruz is the only viable conservative since ronald reagan. he is not going to be a big spender. we need him because this debt is going to destroy america. we are all going to wind up paying a 90% -- all wind up paying 90% of our income to pay for the debt. thank you. host: craig dunn. guest: i agree wholeheartedly with your caller.

>> curtis is waiting in new hampshire. caller: good morning. i'd like to speak on an issue think is important and i think it's obvious but i don't see anyone speaking about it. and that's the fact that it seems like the neoconservative movement is switching to back hillary. wrecked theng republican party and the middle east, now they're going to switch back home.ocrat, a natural

thank you. host: craig dunn, any thoughts? guest: i don't see the "neocons" clinton. hillary in fact, i think that the republican party will be like families, large families. you have different beliefs inside a large family. they're scrapping, fussing and fighting but when it comes down family in the neighborhood that is picking on one of your siblings, you're all tong to band together and go war together. that's what we'll see in the fall, whoever emerges from the republican party as our candidate, i believe we'll support them and we'll put a great effort into the fall. of talkow there's a lot about this group setting it out candidate doesn't win but the republican party, nor, more importantly, the united states, any benefit at all if we

models and go home and don't participate in the process. i will support whoever our candidate is in the fall but i will do everything i possibly can to, a, pick the best candidate to win in november, and, b, influence our candidates as much as possible to expand republican party to make sure all americans are included in the long-term vision of the republican party. host: a quick question, stepping away from politics. didi fredricks writes in on twitter. hoosier?" guest: the etymology of that goes into the early 1800's. that ason consensus is people would be migrating to west, that inng the middle of the night, as wagons would approach each other would approach a house, perhaps, along the road, someone out, who's there, and in our -- as you can tell, we

from terminal sinus conditions in indiana. was slurred to "hoosier" and that seems to be the one that is commonly accepted but it's a term of endearment. in missourieople -- we're proudly of it. host: craig dunn is a chairman with the republican party. times so much for your this morning, sir. guest: thank you. >> we're taking you live to the indianapolis. ted cruz, the senator, the candidate, is expected to speak to the rally. has not arrived yet for his speech. let's take a look around the room.

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hershman,senator brad the chairman of the indiana that will help send carly fiorina and ted cruz as next vice president and states.t of the united [cheers and applause] know, indianall is playing an out-sized role in upcoming presidential election in less than 24 hours, indiana will vote. much to be thankful for that the state of indiana is goingplay and that we are to take indiana principles and indiana conservative leadership send them to washington to up.n [cheers and applause] beforemost importantly, we start the festivities, we thanks back to god for everything he has done for

state. families and our [cheers and applause] >> and with that, i would like to invite crystal la motte, member ofctivist, inth view christian church carmel, an indianapolis resident, to come up and lead the invocation to give thanks to god. thank you so much. [cheers and applause] >> these are loud footsteps. hello. my name is crystal la motte. wife, a mother, and a conservative prelife activist with the indiana family institute. all, i'm a woman of faith. humbly before you

tonight to pray for the greatest nation this world has ever seen, states of america. applause]d >> we will decide tomorrow if stands for the man who says you, more often than he says "me ." god valueside if humility, decency, hard work and record ofrack standing for what he claims is important. [cheers and applause] >> luke chapter 12, verse 15, us, "a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions." that we must have a president who believes this, also. we are worth more than our

possessions. we're worth fighting for. let's bow our heads and pray. heavenly father, the blessings bestowed upon our great nation are too abundant to name. ofpray that your great hand mercy and protection be placed once again on this country, as seek to honor you in the leaders we choose. please give us a man of honor and humility, one of great strength and one who seeks you above all. lord, we lift up ted cruz to you tonight. the 35th psalm, "do lord, far from me, my awake and rise to my defense."

we pray that your perfect will done and that those of us who are able to rise up and defend your counsel is the one elected. still,not be idle and but create a holy stir in each of us. returned to one nation under god. tonight we lift up all of the leaders in our nation, pray for guidance, safety and againring bravery to once unite our great states. in the name of jesus christ we pray all things, amen. [applause] >> before i go, on a side note, candidate whoer is not here tonight, who's not quite sure if indiana votes count. [laughter] >> i think we know how hoosiers

they'reing and how voting at this point. let's go make it clear tomorrow. you. [laughter] >> thank you, crystal. have thanked god for shining his favor upon our lives state, ther great second thing we need to do is ouress our love for country, via the pledge of allegiance. lisa, and i drove down from lafayette and we invited and neighborsends to join us because we know that senator cruz and carly fiorina are so very appreciative of those who have served in our nation's military so i'd like welcome major general united states air force studerman to the stage to give the pledge of allegiance. [cheers and applause]

>> thank you. it's always an honor to serve even morey but it's of an honor to say the pledge of allegiance together. i pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the united states of republic,nd to the for which it stands, one nation, god, indivisible, with all.ty and justice for [cheers and applause] >> now, folks, i have a confession to make. i can't sing and i'm not much of a dancer. but i do know how to persuade come who cano sing. so i hope you get ready to be blown away. some of you know this gentleman.

third inicon, placed thelonuous monk vocal competition. he is an indiana legend and when called and asked if he'd be willing to join us tonight, i don't think it took him two seconds to say, you bet, where and when. you please clap your hands and welcome the incomparable and marine corps korean veteran everett green to the national anthem. ♪ o, say can you see by the dawn's early light ♪ ♪ what so proudly we hailed ♪ at the twilight's last

gleaming ♪ ♪ whose broad stripes and bright stars ♪ ♪ thru the perilous fight ♪ o'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming ♪ ♪ and the rocket's red glare the bombs bursting in air ♪ ♪ gave proof through the night that our flag was still there ♪ ♪ oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave ♪ ♪ o'er the land of the free and the home of the brave ♪

applause]d >> give it up for everett green. everett., it is such a pleasure to be with you tonight. i've had the distinct pleasure of spending time on the road the last few days with the cruz-fiorina campaign. carly fiorina called me earlier if ie week and asked me would be willing to accept this role and i said you had me at hello. saw the was before i work ethic of this campaign. a campaign that comes to you. this marks, on this day, the fine folksthat these have been to all throughout indiana. is that a commitment to this

state? [cheers and applause] ouro before i introduce words oft, for a few wisdom, i want to make sure -- just like when you go to work you to pull want anything, i don't want you to strain anything. bend at the knees a little bit. let's try working your biceps, can everybody hold up one of tell me who they're supporting for president. well, that's good. vocal cords one more time. who are we supporting for president? that's what i thought. bring ald now like to leader in the pro-family indiana, somebody many of you know, to share a little of his thoughts about the election and the fine folks we're here to honor tonight, please welcome to the

smith from the indiana family institute. >> thank you, senator. appreciate it very much. [applause] >> what a great crowd. i think this is my fifth event to havenot supposed favorites but this might be my favorite crowd. way to go. so i thought i heard you guys say you're supporting senator cruz. real you say that again loud? yeah! country, indeed. and it's my special privilege to be here tonight and help you indiana willat play a very out-sized role in the decision for president this year. the first vote i cast for president was 1976, when i got vote for ronald reagan. of envy those 18-year-olds out there right now who get to go tomorrow and cast their first vote for senator cruz. it's a sweet experience, friends. now, as the senator said, my name is curt smith. i work with the indiana family

this gathering, in this city, i'm probably better known as the father of smith, the butler basketball standout who played in two national championship alas lost his fight with cancer last january, and i would be remiss if i stood up here and did not thank you all good friends and neighbors. on behalf of the smith family, thank you for your support of andrew, for his widow, samantha. thank you. care and concern made a tough road much, much easier. and in a sense, that's what we're here tonight to do, is extend that kind of hoosier hospitality and welcome to two great leaders, senator cruz and his running mate, carly fiorina. am convinced -- i am convinced wet if we do our role, if all contact friends, family, neighbors, social media, facebook -- we're down to less than 24 hours, folks, before the

you to doe and i need all those things. the political scientists have studied and studied and studied vote the way they do. deciding,t factor in helping someone make up their mind, is did they talk to someone they respect or trust person told them, i'm voting for a candidate. knowu need to let everyone you're going to be voting for senator cruz tomorrow. now, it can be a little awkward. i was talking to my nephew-in-law sunday at a family and he's bemoaning politics and i said you're going cruz onting for senator tuesday. i don't think he ever voted in a primary in indiana so he's trying to find his voting card. you might have to help people but please contact everyone you know. out.ed to get the vote this is hour our for common sense, constitutional conservatives to say we're taking our country back.

the need is great, the hour is but we have the right candidate. out-sized we play an role and i think the cruz remarkables done a job in indiana. the senator's been here the aster part of two weeks, senator hershman said, this is the 10th event of the day. i have been to four or five. i'm one of several they're tag running around the state. they are at a blistering pace theirat says a lot about commitment to indiana. and on top of that, the senator his running mate here. [cheers and applause] right.'s and so when they're in the oval office cleaning up the mess of the last eight years, i think we can say that the cruz administration had a label on it says made in indiana. applause]d >> that means we have to do our

show up and weo have to vote. we need to give them a victory thatat can go on and take oval office and we can proudly wear that label, cruz in indiana.on, made now, if we do that, if we do the, tomorrow night when pundits come on and the talking heads are on tv, they're going inreport what happened indiana as history is being made and it's going to be six words. kasich bailed, cruz prevailed." and then, because this is a federal election. we have a lot of laws to follow. we have to do the disclaimer and we'll look in the camera and say "we're hoosiers and we approve of that message." trump failed. kasich bailed. cruz prevailed. now, i'm a policy wonk so i got the senator's voting record out

issues and spent time with these dusty books and congressional record and you'll hear from him tonight, his strong positions on the that all of indiana cares about and he does it in such a clear and compelling way. i know you're going to be impressed as i have been at these various gatherings but it dawned on me, this is a very accomplished man. it's not just his principled positions, not just his legislative accomplishments or his capacity to undertake a national campaign and articulate a message and build an organization and do it all at the speed of light. person with significant accomplishments. he's got a car named after him, the chevy cruze. there's a missile named after missile.uise and almost every car or truck on ae day has a device called cruise control. yeah, you got it. and there's a whole class of

cruises. called so in addition his policy very, very,his is a very accomplished leader and you're going to hear from him seriously, what i like the best about this senator and his run for the standsouse is that he for the constitution and he not only stands -- [cheers and applause] >> he not only stands for the constitution and has fought for it as a solicitor general in texas and as a senator from our next president, but he believes in the amendments. he believes in the first amendment. he will not compromise our liberties. that's right. [cheers and applause] free speechows that and free association and freedom of religion and freedom of that's a freedom we all bristle with a little bit but that's a necessary freedom, as well. of those freedoms to be robust and real for all

time and all the senator cruz is committed to that. committed to the second amendment, also. he will not compromise on your bear arms and i could go down the list -- the third, the fourth, the fifth. one that kind of warms my heart the most, the 10th amendment. believes, as i do, and as most hoosiers do, that the state co-sovereign the with the federal government and that the people are the sovereigns over both of those branches of government. [cheers and applause] >> and he'll fight for the 10th amendment for us, as well. so, folks, i'm the family guy, so we need to have a little family chat here. to get him over the winner's line tomorrow. he's going to run through the tape. miss a beat.g to he's going to work, work, work, othercarly, so are the surrogates and d.i.p.'s in the state helping them out --

lee, glenn beck, others you'll hear from tonight. but we need to do our part. we need to vote tomorrow. we need to take our friends and family members with us. what i said, the thing that influences people the most about how they're going to cast is that someone they care about, someone they know reached out to them and said, senator cruz, i think he's what this country need right now and i hope you will, also. and with that, friends, let's go get them tomorrow. god bless you all. [cheers and applause] >> thanks, curt. you have to excuse me, folks, making a little history here tonight so i got to make sure i take a picture of all you folks. there you go. "new york times" said yesterday hundred show few up in lafayette. it was 1600. fire marshal almost shut us

down. i wanted to make sure we have evidence here. that and the fact that they say you can tell a lot about an individual by the company they keep. would tell you that i've had the opportunity to keep company a little bit about those folks and telllast few days you a little bit, just briefly, about the man you're going to tonight, ted cruz. i can tell you he is a loving father, a loving husband, a kind gentleman. lisa and i went up last night. dinnerto see him having time, not standing up on a stage folks in, but with winnamac, indiana. i can guarantee you this is the first time a presidential winnamac,has come to indiana. but in terms of the company you keep, i'd say you're pretty good company right here and i will tell you, we outlawed texting youe driving so before leave tonight, if you'd just text a friend, phone a neighbor, how you feel about what you heard tonight, because people need to know and they're

about it anyhear place else but from you. you, we have with us some of the company that senator ted cruz keeps. a principled conservative, an icon in the movement, someone is not afraid to let people why.how he feels and because of that, he's a household name. let me ask you real quickly in the company you keep, would you rather keep company beck?ike tyson or glenn [cheers and applause] >> me, too, and you've heard enough from me. thank you very much. give an indiana welcome, a hoosier welcome, to the incredible mr. glenn beck! [cheers and applause]

hello, indianapolis. you?re thank you so much for coming out. thank you for coming out. the constitution of the united states of america. a newspaper asked me earlier today, why have i endorsed ted cruz, why am i here. the simple answer is that i'm not here for any one man. i'm not here for anyone's platform. i'm here because i have found a man who i believe will take the oath and actually mean it, that he will protect and defend the constitution of the united states of america. [applause] is all we need. that is all we need. we have not tried it for 100 years.