forthcoming with respect to the fate and disposition of those abducted. is diplomacy with north korea on hold? is there a point at which direct negotiations make sense? i understand why the diplomacy is not moving now, but what are the circumstances -- what would the strategy be for diplomatic efforts with north korea in the future. what would the environment have to look like for that to be possible? >> at that time i guess it will be in japanese.

>> what kind of response on the diplomatic front that was the question. nuclear development and missile launch by north korea is being done and of course as well as the united states and the united nations all have decided on harsh sanctions. but be it the u.n. resolution, one of the major sanctions ise the human rights violations in north korea. and the reaction of north korea with regards to nuclear and missile program, has led to the heightened interests with hugh has an rights interests in the community and raising the level of momentum with regards to north korea. in order to extract specific action and sincerely listen to these voices will require pressure and by imposing pressure, we need to pull out north korea and have them come

out for an tkpwoerbnegotiation. for negotiations. while we influence pressure we also want to pursue dialogue. and responding to abduction, nuclear and missile is a rational choice for north korea and we have to do something to make them understand that that is the rational choice and that is why we have to impose pressure. and the international at community must be united in imposing pressure and that is why we are placing so much trilateral cooperation and various measures

are being taken and ambassador lee, you made suggestions on the means that we can implement and inclusive of the processes as well we need to go ahead and collaborate closely. >> let me ask two questions. you can answer both or either. we worked for president bush for whom this issue was very important. that the time and since i thought personally that before we sew any movement from north korea, we probably will have to see movement from china. and that for us to see movement from china we're going to have to see greater consolidation of international opinion and we have touched on this.

australia, the e.u., many countries are important, but the core of it will be the u.s. so, if we can continue building this international consensus, what are some actions we want from china to help improve the lives of north koreans to maybe get progress. abducteesn the and so forth. are there specific things that china could be doing. american and korean politics are becoming more interesting. we have an election this year and korea has a presidential election next year. what is your sense of the continuity of our current approach to this problem and what would you say to the next administration to make sure we continue with the kind of momentum we've had to date at least in international opinion and build on that going forward.

do you want to start and then we'll turn to bob. jung-hoon lee: i'll take the china question first. i think it's the most immediate problem of course resolves around the north korean defectors because north korean defectors cross the border and risk their lives to cross the border. as you all know, crossing the border in itself is not the end. once they're successful in crossing the border, then they go through another -- a major struggle to find their way to south korea or elsewhere.

china does not abide by the u.n.'s call, which means that china does not recognize them as refugees. they simply recognize them as illegal aliens so they round them up and send them back to north korea knowing fully well that they'll be persecuted. over 70% of the defectors are alln who are subjected to sorts of sexual assault, including rape. the stories are well chronicled of some of these victims. what they of had to go through before finally finding their way to korea is just unthinkable

that this is happening in 2016, in 2016 that this is happening. so to answer your question, the first thing for us to really emphasize on china is for it not to send back the defectors. first and foremost i think it's very important that we convince china to adhere by the principals of the international community. and the second question was about your next administration i arrived here yesterday and have been -- because of the jet lag i've been watching your news programs a lot. i just don't see how this particular issue when it comes to north korea and human rights could vary depending on whoever the administration may be. now i would think that for some, i don't know, there may be greater efforts to engage on north korea. so i just hope it doesn't turn into some sort of a debate of human rights versus humanitarian assistance.

the trend is very clear it's about accountability and the responsibility and asking the responsibility and possibly prosecution so i hope that trend is not in any way reversed with the new administration.

in the meanwhile, i mean if you're able to successfully engage north korea and sort of like construct engagement and pat them on the back and try to convince them to shut down their system, well, you know, good luck with that. because that's not going to be

easy. why is it not going to be easy? because for north korea as you know, nuclear weapon and human rights violations, they go hand in hand. these are very, very important tools that the regime utilizes for survival. nuclear weapons to keep the external forces off. so they can go on to do whatever they want. human rights violations is needed because north korea needs to keep its own population down from expressing whatever displeasure they might have. here's the tricky question, how

do you convince it to reverse a policy that may, as far as the regime is concerned, has a detrimental effect. therein lies the difficulty. that's why there are limits to engaging with north korea and convincing it to do better. >> that was excellent advice and artfully done so i couldn't tell if you're advising the next korean president or american president maybe because the advice would apply either way. >> one of the advantages of being a former government official in a think tank you can ask tough questions and not have to answer them and i think that's what mike has done today. let me make a couple of comments about china. china plays a very important role in terms of what happens in north korea, both on the nuclear issue and also on the human rights issue. i don't see the glass as either empty or full. i see it sort of half full with

regard to china and human rights. yes, we are pressing the chinese to make progress on human rights and we'll continue to press china. but when you look at china and its role in north korea and the human rights issue, there are two points i would make. first of all, the chinese have a mixed record on repatriation. they were returning the north koreans that they captured. it is hard to believe in a state like china that could have happened if the chinese. i think the chinese are conflicted, i think the chinese have relations with south korea that are important to them and i think they are frustrated with the north koreans.

i think we need to continue to press the chinese to recognize the refugees who are leaving north korea and fleeing through china and to allow them to go to south korea if that's where they want to go. but i wouldn't say the chinese are all on one side or all on the other. and the second issue that i think is important, the issue of information, yes the net is controlled in china. yes, the chinese will block out cnn on certain issues it may cover. but when you are in north korea, china looks wonderful in terms of the information that you can get. and radio broadcasts in korean for domestic korean audiences in china are listened to very carefully in north korea because in spite of the limitations in north korea, the information in north korea is even more limited. yes. china continues to be an

important key to what's going on, but it's not a totally negative picture. with regard to the united states and south korea and changes in what's going on in both countries. one of the american citizens who was a detainee two years ago, he has a memoir that is coming out tomorrow talking about his experiences. the thing that he described as one of the worst things he had to go through was listening and watching north korean television. that's probably the worst punishment than torture. they didn't physically torture and made him watch north korean television. one of the things i feel sorry

for ambassador lee is coming to the united states and having to watch the coverage of our election. i would put it in somewhat the same category. >> i think we're safe in the united states on that issue. south korea has been trying for years now to pass a human rights law. that human rights law was adopted just before the election. i think it reflects a growing consensus in south korea that the human rights issue is an issue that needs to be dealt with and it covers the very broad spectrum of differences in south korea on that north korean

issue. >> excellent. if you were trying to evade a former government official's question, i couldn't tell -- it was a forthright and rich response. last word on this issue. mr. kato: - [through translator]

in relations to the sections that have been recently decided upon, they have to be also coordinating with us in terms of sanction or else the effectiveness will be limited in terms of trade between north korea and china. the volume of trade between giant and wees is assume that the amount of funds flowing between those two countries is quite significant. in terms of imposing economic influence to north korea, we have to have china coordinate with ourselves and in the u.n. resolution there was cooperation with the united states and with the leadership of the united states, we were able to get china on our side. so that's what we need to have more of. japan is no position to talk about the administration, for example in the united states, in the united states the north korea sanction and policy was passed. so it means that each country as well as the international

community must be united and thinking that all consensus is on the rise. regardless of which choice the americans take on the next administration, i think there is already a strong platform on this issue and i'm sure the u.s. government will continue to uphold its very strong level of interests towards east asian as a backdrop these symposiums are being organized, which helps each and every american citizen to have a better understanding of these issues. >> thank you. i would like to invite two very

distinguished and important guests to join us at the podium. grace was born in north korea and almost starved to death as a child. i can't read her c.v. because it is so tragic, it's almost impossible to read. she lost her father, she lost her siblings because of the efforts they made to save her family which were considered criminal which the family was starved, tortured and lost their lives. grace got out and with the help of pastor phillip buck, got to china and u.n. helped her get out of china and enter the united states as a legal refugee. she is one of 180 who have made it to the united states and working in northern virginia as a dental assistant and leading what might be considered an american dream and normal life.

but at the same time, she is a powerful spokesperson to those in north korea. and grace, please join us on stage. and from japan, vice secretary general of victims kidnapped by north korea. he is the oldest son, one of the abductees. she was 22 years old when she was abducted in 1978. he was a one-year-old baby at the time and out spoken person of the families whose loved ones are missing and confirmed abducted by north korea. i see my friend -- they are twin brothers, he has a twin brother and hard to tell.

but he visited president bush in the white house with his parents who emerged as very powerful symbols of determination and perseverance and grace, their daughter was abducted at a very young age in elementary school from the coast and his parents came to the white house and came to the congress and galvanized congressional and administrative interests in finding the fate of the abductees. i think putting a human face on this, was, i can tell you being in the government at the time, a

very powerful reason for us to focus on this and build consensus about the importance of human rights. i would like to invite you beginning with grace and give some observations and perhaps hear from the first as well afterwards. please. >> it's a privilege to be here and share my story in front of the great leaders of the world and i feel very honored. i would like to start with a quote from reverend martin luther king junior, human progress is neither automatic nor inevitable. every step towards the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering and struggle. the fireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated

individuals. i asked myself a lot of questions as i was preparing today's testimony, what are human rights, why do we have to fight for them. the flood of information makes me dizzy. i close my laptop and i think about my days in latin america. inabout my daily life america for school or work. but my relatively normal american life here has never stopped me from thinking of my home country of north korea. when i think about north korea, i remember that in my neighborhood, there were no lights and no electricity for 22 hours out of the day. and families did not have enough wood to burn.

people didn't have toiletries like they have in the u.s.a. or china. i shared my personal and family history before here, so i won't go into all the details, but my father was caught, punished for illegally buying us rice. my grandmother and two younger brothers died of hunger. my oldest sister disappeared in china and we have no idea where she is right now. it's been 18 years of separation. my mother carried me on her back and with my sister, crossed the river, going to china, learning the language and looking for work to survive and always in hiding. we weren't successful. we were caught and forcefully returned to north korea four times. my mother carries all the scars and injuries to her body with her.

my sister and two daughters cannot forget our past. so we have committed to sharing about what happens in north korea. we faced daily challenges as we continue to adapt to this new land and the drive to focus on taking care of my family, getting a better education and working hard to earn money for my mom and sister. but what keeps me up at night is the thought of my father, my grandmother, my missing sister and my little brothers and so many others in north korea. the government decided it was better to punish us for trying to find work and survive than to lose control over its people even when it couldn't feed us. this is why you started an organization in 2011 called north korean refugees in the

united states that helps north korean refugees who like us wanted to escape and find freedom. every day is a challenge to me but i can't be thankful enough for the freedoms i enjoy. i really thank the u.s. government for accepting us as refugees and giving us a chance to live like the human. i thank the u.n. for helping us gain safe passage to the united states. finally, i wouldn't be here today if it weren't for the prayers and activism of individuals with a big heart for north korea. many of whom are in this room. so thank you. lastly, i wanted to share one last story from my memory from 2002. i remember a cousin told me to put a bulk head under the faucet and asked me to turn it the

other way until i see water coming out. she said once the bucket was filled up, i should dump it into the bigger pot and i did that until three pots were filled, one jar filled and one small container filled. there was only one issue. water was scarce. water didn't come out of the faucet like you have here in the rest rooms. it came out one drop every two seconds. i asked what is this for? she said you are going to use that water for three days, maybe longer. the villages had all running even dripping water. and i was only allowed to drink one cup of water per day so we

decided one drop. i believe our efforts for north korea are like those drips of the water. i believe that our efforts like the water faucet, drip by drip, may be insignificant in small doses but it will fill up buckets and ultimately rise to to bring down the walls in north korea. one drop of water is weak but collected over time has the power to pierce stone. but only if we never ever give up. i believe that being able to freely pursue the basic needs to leave our human rights. i believe that living in the u.s., i discovered for myself what human rights looks like. i hope my brothers and sisters in north korea one day can experience the same wherever they are, but you must be persistent until that day comes. thank you. [applause] >> and then my older sister was three years old and one-year-old

when she was abducted by north korean agents. i have only one photo to prove

my family ties with her. when i was just one-year-old i was separated from my mother and that situation still continues. in september of 2002, japan-north korean meeting was held. and north korea admitted for the first time that they had abducted my mother, but north korea said she was killed in a traffic accident. when i heard the news, i was terribly shocked because i thought i would never ever be able to see my mother whose memory i have none of.

there are no words to express what i felt. but the news was untrue, the information given by north korea that she was dead was not grounded in fact. at that time, they told us she was killed in a traffic accident, but they showed this document that they called as death certificate which was unveiled that it was counterfeited and we discovered that there was no name of her in the traffic accident report that was submitted by north korea. this is misinformation in north korea's explanation on abductees which was revealed by the japanese government. i believe that north korea made up the story that my mother had already died in order to conceal the fact that she is still alive and i'm sure she is still alive in north korea and i know she is still waiting to be rescued out

from north korea. including my mother, there are at least 17 japanese citizens who have been identified officially by the japanese government as victims of abduction by north korea, although five of them have returned to japan. there still remains 12 that haven't. we have two in the audience when their sister was and duggetted. and in addition to these 12 cases, there are still several hundreds of cases involving japanese citizens of which the possibility of abduction. although north korea told japan of the 12 remaining abductees, eight have died and four have never entered into north korea's territory. but there are so many

contradicks. in 2004, north korea presented what they called -- but d.n.a. tests conducted proved that the remains presented by north korea contained d.n.a. from a different person which made it clear that what they call as remains were not those. furthermore, the target of abduction by north korea is not only limited to japanese citizens in the united states, there are allegations that mr. david snowden might have been abducted and based upon the testimony, there is a possibility that citizens of republic of korea, thailand, and romania may have been abducted.

moreover, according to the report issued in february of 2014, there are abductees from malaysia, singapore, france, italy, netherlands and china. which means that the abduction by north korea is human rights issue for the entire international community. presently on the presumption that the abductees are still alive, the japanese government encourages north korea to release their citizens. the government of countries whose citizens have been abducted by north korea and the family of the victims should ask for the return of their abductees. 30, 40 years have passed since the abductions took place in japan, some parents and siblings of these victims have passed away without being able to reunite with their families, which is tragic. time lost can never be recovered. family members are aching. we don't have the luxury of time as we seek the resolution of the

abduction issue. it is important for us to have higher level of interests in the protection of human rights rather than to focus on the nuclear and missile issue. ladies and gentlemen, i would urge you to support in having all the abductees returned from north korea as soon as possible. in closing, i would like to express my deepest gratitude to my adopted parents who raised me. i hope the day will come soon that i will directly look into the eyes who brought me into this world and call her mother. [applause]

>> it's impressive that they have the perseverance and the courage to speak out. for many, many years, the japanese government and u.s. government would not acknowledge that there had been abductions and now everyone knows that these families were right and deserve our support. we are the center for strategic and international studies. not the center for human rights or center for human beings. with senior officials focusing on policy and analysis, we hear these voices. far too often grand strategy is posed as something that involves ignoring human instincts, human rights being dispassionate and calm.

when you think about north korea, we spend a lot of time debating how can we assure them with a peace treaty, what kind of diplomatic framework and it's voices like these that the greatest threat to the north korean regime is their own people. when you hear these voices, it puts it in a different context. i promised we would take questions. why don't we take one or two questions and the ministers and ambassadors have the opportunity as well as our guests. audience member: i thank you for a fascinating and very powerful presentation. my question is to minister cato and ambassador king, the japanese government, the national police agency identified several individuals that north koreans are responsible for some of the abductions and has issued arrest warrants for those individuals and also passed their names on to interpol. i'm wondering on the accountability issue, using the u.s. sanctions from february, the

legislation, the new human rights legislation that permits individual sanctions to be imposed, whether the japanese government has thought about doing something similar and whether the japanese and american governments have considered using those individuals whose information is out there to list as individuals responsible for the violation of the human rights of these abductees. >> let me take one more question and have the last word from our panelist. briefly. >> i'm a partner a travel company and one of president

obama's presidential partners. you described why nuclear weapons and human rights violations are both necessary for the survival of the north korean regime. so my question, sir, or all of you, is it possible to the international community can put pressures on north korea where they will come to see that their continued violations are of greater threat to their survival than anything else? >> good question. if i could ask the panel to in one minute each give an answer and wrap up. beginning with bob king. bob. mr. king: with regard to the question on individuals involved sanctions being -- individuals being involved in abductions and sanctions, we are looking at how we might identify individuals in ways that meet our legislative

requirements to apply sanctions against individuals and there are a whole range of issues that we're looking at and people involved in abductions would be one we are looking at. yes, we are looking at it. with regard to the question of the international community pressing the dprk, i think we have done a fairly good job of trying to pri the international community together and press the north koreans and i think the north koreans are feeling the

pressure. in terms of looking at human rights. when the commission of inquiry issued its report, the north koreans came back very aggressively. they had a couple of people in new york who made appearances before the council on foreign relations for the first time. they tried to defend the north koreans in light of what the results of the commission of inquiry were on the human rights issue.

the north korean foreign minister for the first time in 14 years made an appearance in new york and spoke at the general assembly session in an effort to defend the north koreans. that continued during 2015 and the north koreans fought back. they attempted on the resolutions that were being adopted in the general assembly and human rights council to call for votes. they had allies -- the countries you would expect, who voted against the resolution. the numbers didn't change that much. the north koreans and the human rights council got maybe eight votes in support of them.

those who voted against them were five times that number. so i mean -- the north koreans have tried it. this last year, this year, the north koreans announced in geneva that they weren't going to contest the brutality to which they were being subjected for their awful human rights record and when the issue of north korea was taken up in march, the north koreans were not present in the chamber. they were present in the building, because we saw them. but they didn't bother to come into the chamber because they didn't want to have go through the embarrassment about being able to defend north korea's human rights issues. the countries that spoke out against the resolution being adopted, like belarus, zimbabwe, didn't defend north korea. they said, we don't think an individual country should be singled out. so the north koreans after

finding a, they didn't have a lot of support, said, we aren't going to contest but going to ignore it, because we don't think it's worth noting. this year, first time in several years when the resolution was taken up in geneva, it was adopted by consensus. there were a couple of countries that disassociated themselves, but we have pressed hard and the north koreans are feeling the pressure and we need to continue that pressure. mr. lee: i would fully agree with what you just mentioned. feas obviously as of right now, north korea feels that the benefits of doing what they have been doing outweighs the cost. so how do we reverse that. there are as ambassador king mentioned, already a good number of sanctions, not necessarily on human rights but various sanctions for the nuclear tests and the launch of the missiles and so on. so i think it's important that proper message is sent on human rights as well. that there should be increased sanctions and pressure to clearly signal to north korea that this is just unacceptable. minister cato has elaborateed and we have victims, we have grace who has gone through so much in her upbringing. these are testimonies and examples of what's going on in that country.

and we have to draw the line and make sure that this is something the international community is not going to accept, that there has to be a change, whether it's the return of the abducted is citizens and closing down of the gulags in north korea and we have to ask ourselves are we doing enough? i don't htink we are. think there should be more. >> thank you very much. japan is also considering measures such as issuing arrest warrants vis-a-vis in carrying involved in were the carrying out.

all, immediate return and investigation to review the value and extradition of the criminals who were involved in the abductions. well-versed with the situation of identifying individuals, but to the extent that all police authorities know those who have been involved in the actual conduct, yes, we think that international warrant is most effective for those individuals and further, as we investigate those individuals, no individuals who are criminals, other individuals who have been involved becomes clear, then we may take up measures, but we haven't gone to that stage yet and we don't have any current plans of identifying other individuals but japan is thinking comprehensively to consider how we can resolve the abduction issue and if there are effective measures, we will be implementing measures and our principles are pressure and dialogue and we will be taking all measures available and as

already mentioned by ambassadors king and lee, clearly, obviously, north korea is very sensitive to various developments in the international community and there is a likelihood or a certainty that there is monitoring that they are monitoring this very symposium. we should tell them that there is one united force in the international community to take action. so each and every word you speak showing solidarity. grace talked about one drip of water, each individual step may be small, but when accumulated, we think can invite more

positive action from north korea. >> i am not a politician, so i will not speak about the high leavediscussions, i will it to the politicians. but one thing i would like to emphasize is that we, the families and also and important for all of us to understand the human rights violation taking place in north korea and important to pass those words, the threat, the speed at which those words are communicated is

also very important. we shouldn't think of this as a human rights issue but it's a matter of life or death. so time is limited. maybe my mother might die tomorrow. time is important. challenging very time. in order to ensure the return of abductees from north korea, we must communicate this matter to everybody in the world. i think this is very important.

>> i am not really familiar with the politics issue, but as a former north korean and human rights activist, i believe government officials or n.g.o. organizations, i encourage them and i believe the government, south korean government or the u.s. government needs to encourage them and help them to keep their work and do whatever they are doing. for example, radio broadcasts is great if that's in north korea sendinging usb's and information into north korea.

and along the civilizations. that's very great and important method we can reach out to the people and change their mind individually. need to pressure them through the governments but also have to change the individual people's mind in north korea. and i believe those organizations who are in south korea or in the u.s., they are doing a very good job on this part. and i also want to add one more thing, after the north korean regime falls, are we really ready to help those north korean defectors and those prisoners and people from north korea. i want to commend to the organizations in the u.s., i

want them to prepare after the regime falls, because right now so many refugees, defectors talk about their experience and how horrible the regime is. so i believe many of you already know that. but do we have any specific system that actually helps those people after theget released and came out of north korean regime. resettlement education and the pressure, all three are important to put efforts if they are in the u.s. or international community. thank you. >> the fact of this meeting had some significance, but the content has been superb. i want to thank all of the panelists.

we touched on topics in terms of building international pressure for change, tactical and near-term things to help the north koreans and longer-term, we could spend hours elaborating on each of these. job,ne of us has a real to geto, and she needs back to that. join me in thanking this panel for their individual efforts and coming so far to join us. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> coming up on c-span, to

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we'd better know that when the going gets tough they will stand up and defend this nation and make the tough call. we'd better know that when ,omebody says you can't do that oh yes i can. that is a promise i made to the people of this great country. we need to know who he is in private. then i got to observe him as a husband. you will get to meet heidi and just a little it. she has a harvard mba. she has had a brilliant career. i know from my own marriage, it takes a strong man to truly partner with a strong woman. ted cruz is a strong man with a great partner.

she will make an awesome first lady. i got to know his daughters. they know he is engaged in important work. they know sometimes they need to let him do his important work. it says a lot about a man when his children both adore and respect him. you know why the constitution is so important.

you may have people who don't understand it. in the spirit of trying to equip you to convince others, i want to tell you a little bit about the constitution is as relevant a document as the day it was written and why it's so that wely important have a constitutional conservative in the white house. one sunday morning when i was , my mother said what you are is god's gift to you, what you make of yourself is your gift to god. i have traveled and worked all of the world. i have learned everyone of us

wants a life of dignity and purpose and meaning. it's the same the world over. work done well brings dignity. it is worth asking the question. if everyone has those same human desires and tremendous potential, why is it that more things are more possible here than anywhere else on earth? why is it that this place has been so extraordinary? here the young woman can start as i did filing and answering the phones for real go on one day to

become the chief executive of the largest technology company in the world and run for the presidency of the united states. that's only possible here. the question is why? why is it only possible here? i was a student of history. anyone who is studied history understands that human nature does not change. they knew what my mother taught me. everyone has god-given gifts. they built a nation on this idea. us idea was that each of have a right to life, liberty,

the pursuit of happiness. each of us have the right to find our own way. this was the radical part, this right comes from god and cannot be taken away by man or government. the constitution is a document that enshrines our rights and liberties. it gives us the right to bear arms. ted cruz will protect that to the end. it gets us the right to practice our religion freely and ted cruz has defended that to the end of. the constitution is something else. us that powers concentrated is power abused.

power concentrated his power abused. the constitution was written to prevent the concentration of power. here's the truth. if the event way too much power concentrated in the hands of way too few people for way too long. why it matters that you have a constitutional conservative. ted cruz understands that what ails us is we are crushing the potential of too many americans because there is too much money and too much power in the hands of too few. there are corrupt politicians. must be challenge. that takes a warrior.

some people say ted cruz has made some enemies. a man is known by his friends. a man or woman is known by their enemies as well. i've challenged system all my life. i will tell you that when you challenge the status quo, when you challenge the powers that be, you do more than ruffle feathers. you make enemies. he has the courage to make the enemies he must make to fight for all of us. we enemies are the price of leadership. there are a lot of people. i know people that voted for

donald trump. maybe you do too. they think that he will be a warrior to challenge the system. think for a moment. think about the pattern of his life. he gave john boehner $100,000. he was investing in hillary clinton's campaigns. some people will say to me that's just business. i never invested in hillary clinton's campaign. doingonald trump has been , he is the crony capitalist who is been using the system. they are two sides of the same coin. hillary clinton has made her millions selling access and influence.

donald trump has made his billions buying people off. he will not fight the system. he is the system. he is the system and it must be fought and ted cruz is the man to lead us in this fight. it is all a firefight. there is so much at stake. it's not just the taxes have to be lowered. just not that our rights and liberties have to be protected and preserved. tos not just that we have lead again in the world are in the soul of our party is at stake. it is time. that we wage this

fight. it is time now to take our country back. i was proud to accept his offer to be his running mate. i will fight with him. i want you to stand with him and fight with him as well. this is the fight of our time. we must take our country back. it is my distinct honor to introduce you to your first family.

to the next president of the united states. ted cruz.

sen. cruz: god bless the great state of indiana. [applause] it is such an incredible privilege, such an incredible honor to be with so many patriots, so many lovers of liberty tonight. in the hoosier state, i am so honored to see what an array of patriots are here standing and fighting.

i have to say, isn't heidi going to make an amazing first lady? [applause] she is beautiful and brilliant, she is an amazing mommy to our two little girls. she is my best friend in the whole wide world. [applause] i have to say, to all the kids here, when heidi cruz's first lady, french fries are coming back to the one true. -- lunchroom. [applause] call me crazy, i know if a cardboard began on the plate not

on top. how about glenn beck? [applause] is england incredible -- glenn incredible? every time he talks, i learned something. i love it when he brings out the whiteboard and begins walking through the founding principles of our nation. the principles that led to the declaration that led to the constitution. the fundamental understanding that our rights do not come from government, they come from god almighty. [applause] as a constitution was drafted, as thomas jefferson put it, change to bind the mischief of government. at a time when washington has such a spirit of fear and timidity, gladback -- is glenn beck is fearless. how about carly?

what an extraordinary leader she is. when i announced her as my vice presidential choice, there is no more sound decision that a presidential candidate makes the naming a vice president. you are telling the american people that this person is prepared to step up and be president of the united states at a moments notice and is prepared to step up and honor the promises and commitments we have made and preserved and protect the constitution of the end states and be commander-in-chief and keep this country safe. [applause] the criteria you are looking for in a vice president is really the same criteria you're looking for in a resident. for me it was three things. knowledge, judgment, and character.

starting with knowledge, carly's career in business has been incredible. starting as a secretary and rising the corporate ladder to become the ceo of the largest technology company in the world. the first woman ceo of a fortune 20 company in history. [applause] carly has been shattering glass ceilings her in liar life -- her entire life and i want someone who understood jobs. they don't come from washington, they come from small business and they come from the people. [applause] and that judgment, i have been so blessed to barnstorm with carly all across the country. to see her firsthand and up close. she is careful, sober, thinks through.

we do not want a president who is rash, hotheaded and libel to explode. [applause] when you're talking about someone who is to be commander-in-chief, who is to have their anger on the nuclear button, you want someone of good and stable judgment. [applause] the third thing you want is character. character is the most important aspect of any president or vice president. [applause] you want someone who has struggled, someone who has no loss. you want someone who is honest and tells the truth and does not lie all the time. you want someone who stands by their principles. you want someone who has principles.

[applause] who doesn't have one position in the morning and one position at noon and another position at night. you know, of the greatest misfortunes of character is how you treat people you don't have to be nice too. everyone of us knows how to kiss up to our boss. that is not hard. the question is, how do you treat the clerk at the convenience store? how do you treat the taxicab driver? howdy to the young lady in the tollbooth at night? one of the things that impressed me most about carly was watching her at the debates and watching her stand up to bullies. [applause] everyone of us who has been through grade school, we know bullies in our lives.

contrary to the media narrative, bullies are not strong. they are weak. they are cowards, scared, insecure, have an empty hole inside that they fill by trying to find someone they think is weaker than they are in picking on them and abusing them. that is not a sign of strength. carly fiorina is somebody who stands up to bullies whether they are donald trump or hillary clinton or vladimir putin. [applause] and perhaps, my favorite thing about carly, is that she utterly terrifies hillary clinton. [applause] i can just picture hillary thinking about carly. tossing and turning in tossing and turning in her jail cell.

[laughter] [applause] this next election, is about three issues. jobs, freedom, and security. let's start with jobs. i want to take a minute and speak to all the single moms who are here. who are working to-three part-time jobs. who have seen their hours reduced to 28-29 hours a week because obamacare kicks in at 30 hours. i want to talk to all the truck drivers, on the plumbers and mechanics and steelworkers and coal miners. although union members. -- all the union members.

who have seen wages stagnating year after year. the cost of living keeps going up. yet, somehow your paycheck does not keep pace. i want to speak to all the young people. [applause] and hillary, bernie, take a look at all the people. [applause] all the young people who are coming out of school buried in student loans. scared. can i get a job? what does the future hold for me?

the media tries to tell us that this is the new normal. this is as good as it gets. let me tell you, that is an absolute lie. [applause] it is easy to talk about making america great again. you can even put that on a baseball cap. [laughter] through question is do you understand the principles and values that made america great in the first place. the heart of our economy is not washington, d.c.. the heart of our economy is small businesses across the united states of america. [applause] if you want to unleash the economy, you take the boot of the federal government off the back of the next of small businesses. -- necks of small businesses. ronald reagan understood and before him, john f. kennedy understood that when you cut

taxes and with regulation on small businesses, the results are millions and millions of high-paying jobs. i intend to follow the past ronald reagan and jfk to lift the burden on small businesses and bring jobs back to america. vicon industries, donald trump -- my opponent in this race, donald trump, and following the path of barack obama and hillary clinton. his campaign on a massive 40% tax increase. donald trump's only economic policy is that he would impose a massive tariff that every creature would pay every time they go to the store.

your prices will be 40% higher. i have to tell you, putting a 40% tax increase would send us into a recession and i don't think the hard-working men and women of indiana need the donald trump massive tax increase. [applause] in contrast, i'm going to cut your taxes. [applause] we are going to pass a simple flat tax. where everyone of us can fill out our taxes on a postcard. and when we do that, we should abolish the irs. [applause] we are going to repeal every word of obamacare.

it is the biggest job killer in america and in its place, we're going to pass commonsense health care reform. and keeps government from getting in between us and our doctors. [applause] we are going to rain and the epa. the federal leaders have decided like locusts on farmers and ranchers and kill businesses -- small businesses are killing jobs all across the country. were going to stop the obama administration's war on call. we are going to devote all of our energy resources so we can stop sending billions of dollars to countries that hate us. [applause]

we are going to stop amnesty and secure the border and end things where cities and end of welfare benefits for those here illegally. [applause] let me tell you what will happen when we do all that. we are going to see millions and millions of new high-paying jobs coming back to america. we will see jobs coming back from mexico. we see jobs coming back from china. we will see manufacturing jobs coming back to indiana. we will see carrier bringing jobs back to indiana. we're going to see wages rising again. we're going to see young people coming out of school with job offers. [applause]

that is what this election is about. morning in america again. [applause] the second critical issue in this election is freedom. just a few weeks ago, the passing of justice and leah underscore the stakes of this election. it is not just one, but two branches of the government that hang in the balance. if you care about religious liberty, the right to seek out the lord god almighty and worship him with all of your heart, mind, and soul without government getting in the way. [applause]

if you care about the second amendment right to keep and bear arms and protect your family -- [applause] then we are one liberal justice away from a radical five justice left wing majority that would strip those rights and the rest of the bill of rights from americans for a generation. you know, coupled they to go, hugh hewitt asked all abuzz about the supreme court and religious liberty and donald trump turned to me, ted, i've known a lot of politicians than you have. well, and that he is correct. donald trump has been supporting liberal democrats for 40 years. i have no experience with that. [applause]

but donald continued. he said, ted, when it comes to religious liberty and the supreme court, you got to learn to compromise. you got to learn to cut deals with the democrats to go along and get along. let me be very clear, to hoosiers across the state, i will not compromise the way you religious liberty. [applause] and i will not compromise away your second amendment to keep and bear arms. [applause] the third critical issue in this election, security. for seven years, we have seen a president who abandons our friends and allies and shows weakness and appeasement to our enemies. once again, to debate to go,

donald trump explained to all those that if he was president, he would be neutral between israel and the palestinians. let me be very clear, as president, i will not be neutral. [applause] america will stand unapologetically with the nation of israel. [applause] and anyone who can tell the difference between our friends and our enemies, anyone who can tell the difference between israel and islamic terrorists who want to kill us, that raises real questions about their fitness and judgment to be commander -- commander-in-chief. we need a commander-in-chief, right now.

for seven years we have seen our military weekend, readiness undermined and morale plummeted. you know, as a nation, we have seen this before. we have seen another left-wing democratic president, jimmy carter, weaken and undermined the military. then in january 1981, ronald reagan came into office. [applause] what did reagan do? he cut taxes, but did regulations and we saw millions of high-paying jobs. that generated trillions in government revenue and he is that revenue to rebuild the military, bankrupt the soviet union and win the cold war. [applause]

i intend to do the exact same thing with radical islamic terrorism. we are going to repeal obamacare, pass a flat tax, rain in the regulators, pass amnesty. there will be millions of jobs coming back to indiana, wages rising, that is going to generate trillions of new government revenue and we will use that revenue to rebuild our military so it remains the mightiest fighting force on the face of the planet. [applause] no longer -- [applause]

no longer will our military be governed by political correctness. [applause] we will have a president who stands up and says of the world that we will defeat radical islamic terrorism. [applause] we will have a president willing to utter the words radical islamic terrorism. [applause] one of the saddest and most simple things we have seen in the last seven years has been this president sending our

fighting men and women into combat with rules of engagement so strict that their arms are tied behind their back that they cannot fight, cannot win, cannot defeat the enemy. that is wrong. it is immoral and, mark my words, january 2017, it will end. [applause] to every soldier and sailors and airmen and running, and for that matter, every police officer and firefighter and first responder, the days of a president who does not respect your service are going to end. you are going to have the thanks of a grateful nation and a commander-in-chief who's got your back! [applause]

>> cruz, cruz, cruz! sen. cruz: 21 hours. that is how long remains until the polls close. 21 hours. this has been a strange and long journey. it has not been born. [laughter] -- boring. [laughter] we started with 17 candidates. the democratic field consists of a wild eyed socialist with ideas that are dangerous for america and the world and bernie sanders. [laughter]

over the course of the year, the primary did what it was supposed to do. it has narrowed the field. as we stand here now, there are two in only two people who have any plausible path to winning the republican commission. me and donald trump. right now, today, the entire country, the eyes of the nation are on indiana. indiana faces a choice, not just for the state or the republican party, the for the entire country. do we get behind a campaign that is based on yelling and screaming and cursing and insults? or do we continue to unify behind a positive, optimistic, forward-looking conservative campaign? [applause] based on real policy solutions to the problems facing this country. [applause]

for the past week, heidi and i and carolyn and catharine, we have been barnstorming the state of indiana traveling in a bus asking for the support of hoosiers across the state. i think any candidate running for president owes it to the voters to look into the eyes, should your hands, answer your questions, to come and come to work for you. to show that humility, to show that respect. earlier today, in marion, indiana, we had and that there -- an event there were there were 400 people come into a small cafe. in addition to this 400 supporters, we had 6-7 supporters.

we had a very civil, respectful conversation. in between, for every statement i made, he yelled liar. and somehow the facts did not matter. if he just yelled liar bath that often enough the insults he thought would define things. he said he was going to build a wall. i said are you aware that he told the new york times editorial board that he did not

mean anything he said on immigration that he was just saying that to full of voters? that was his response. predictably he just screamed liar. i said are you aware, it is on tape. that the new york times taped it and they are happy to release it if donald trump gives his permission. if he did not say that, if the tape proves his innocence, donald trump should want it released. so he went next, the second amendment, i said ok. he said what have you done for the second amendment? i said i am glad you asked. i represented 31 states litigating hell are versus district of colombia which preserved the individual right to keep and bear arms. and i said did you know that donald trump and hillary clinton

both agreed with bill clinton's national ban on guns, many of the most popular guns in america? he did not know that. but instead, he just began yelling. yelling liar. and so then i made the point, i said, sir, if i were donald trump -- altra by would not block across the street to talk to. i would not have shown you that respect because i said, listen, i am campaigning to be everyone's president. if i were donald trump i would have stayed surrounded by my supporters and i would have instructed some of them to go

over and punch them in the face. it was interesting. the fellow's response to that, anyone know what it was question mark key yelled liar. -- what it was? he yelled liar. the great thing about truth, it is verifiable. go home and google donald trump punch of the face. you will find him standing at a rally on national television, it is not like this is a secret, will instructing his supporters, punch that protester in the face and i will pay your legal bills when you do it. truth matters. donald trump has taken to asking supporters at rallies to raise their hand and pledge their support for donald trump.

this is the united states of america. we do not pledge support to men. we pledge allegiance to the flag. we pledge to support the constitution. and the only hand raising i am interested in is in january twice 17 when i raise my hand and pledge my support to each of you to reserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the united states. when people ask why do spend night and day crisscrossing the country away from your family from away from your kid so often? why do you and your the insults, and allies, the attacks, the smears, the mud? it is not a complicated question.

i do it because i love this country. i do it because i look at caroline and catherine, the loves of my life, and i do it for the same reason everyone of you is here. because we're not willing to look in the eyes of our children and grandchildren and tell them, we set by while the greatest country in the history of the world went down the drain. [cheers and applause] we're here tonight everyone of us because we love our kids, because we love our grant should -- grandkids and our country is in crisis. it is at the edge of a cliff staring down. and if we do not will back, our kids, our grandkids will not enjoy the freedom, the prosperity, the liberties, the blessings that each of us has been so incredibly privileged to enjoy. the entire country is depending on the state of indiana.

we have got 21 hours, i want to ask you right now, donald trump and i are effectively tied in the state of indiana. it is that connect in the state of indiana. i want to ask everyone of you in 21 hours, can you find five people to come out and vote tomorrow? can you find 10 people were 15 or 20? -- or 15 or 20? you look around, there are 2000 people added here tonight. if every person here gets 10 people to show up tomorrow and the one hours, that represents 20,000 votes and that means the men and women in this room could decide the indiana primary. we all remember what reagan said, freedom is not passed down from one generation to the next in the bloodstream. rather, every generation must stand and fight to defend freedom.

or when day we will find ourselves answering to our children or our children's children, what was it like when america was free? that is the question that nobody in this room is ever going to have to answer. the next way one hours, millions of american -- of americans are praying for each of you. you are being lifted up in prayer. millions are lifting the state of indiana up in prayer. and i could not be more gratified. i could not be more encouraged that this primary is coming down to the midwestern common sense, to the good judgment of hoosiers.

if we continue to unite, if we stand together as one, coming together, i spent the whole day barnstorming the state, campaigning with indiana's governor, mike pence. and i will tell you, we saw stunning contrasts. i am proud to stand with mike pence, i am proud to stand with carly fiorina. at this -- at the same time donald trump is trumpeting their support he received from mike tyson. a convicted rapist who spent three years in prison here in indiana for raping a 17-year-old girl. what did donald trump say? he said might tyson is in his own words a "tough guy." i got news for you.

rapists are not tough guys. they are cowards and weaklings and bullies. i spent a lot of years in law enforcement dealing with rapists. and they are the very embodiment of cruelty and i will say that contrast provides a clear and simple choice for the people of the state. if we continue to unite to come together with governor mike pence and carly fiorina and glenn beck and mark levine, if we stand as one, we will win this republican primary. and if we continue tonight the nation, we will win the general election. we will beat hillary clinton and we will turn this great nation

around. thank you and god bless you. ♪

>> the campaigns released as out of the primaries. here is a look. voted for job killing trade. he supported amnesty for 11 million illegals and what have welcomed more syrian refugees. only donald trump will stand up to china and mexico. he will end the illegal immigration and keep us safe. >> i am donald trump and i

approve this message. donald trump's line about ted cruz. to stop the gang of eight amnesty bill. cup had a $1 million judgment against them for hiring illegals. cup still rakes in foreign workers to replace americans. shane gold mocker is a reporter with politico. he is joining us on the phone. trump andon donald the new hampshire delegation. let's talk about tomorrow and indiana. what are we looking at? >> a make or break state for ted cruz. he has pulled out every

imaginable trick to gain some momentum after losing six straight states. the get the governor's endorsement. he rolled out a vice presidential nominee despite the fact that he trails by 400 delegates. a lot is on the line. first thingeds the to happen in indiana. he has 10 different stops today. it's all the way through the finish line. news not getting great coverage. carly fiorina fell off the stage. he is have a last 24 hours. donald trump has a double-digit lead in indiana. some show it a little bit closer. at the moment, trump is in the driver seat. does want to pull

out a victory. a silvernt to look at lining, the expectations are low. people pay a lot of attention. the racet where appears to be headed right now. .is campaign is conquered down that's where they are. if donald trump wins tomorrow, this would allow him to gain may be all 54 delegates. where does that put the race? >> it's going to go all the way through the end. for donaldt a way trump to clinch until california in june. even if he wins in indiana, he needs to win california. there are a couple of other options. what, it won't end

until june 7. some of the anti-trump voters are just going to keep soldiering on it. in the last six states that voted in the northeast, he won every single county that voted. he is not winning by a little bit. he's winning cities and suburbs and rural areas. this is the challenge for ted cruz. can he turn around this big winning streak that donald trump is on. >> why do you think that despite the endorsement of the governor and a strong ground organization in indiana, why is he struggling over the last six or seven days. it is thatart of donald trump has been winning all the states.

you see some consolidation among republicans who have been unwilling to stand behind donald trump. two house committee chairman endorsed donald trump. these were major players. they are players. of congress when presented a choice between ted cruz and donald trump, some of them are choosing donald trump. he is winning and a lot of them have had run-ins with ted cruz in the senate. i'm not sure if it's about indiana. about this growing sense of inevitability around donald trump. he declared himself the presumptive nominee. he not that just yet. he has to win indiana and california. hard.d cruz, it's very >> it does come down to delegates. it am sure has canceled plans.

>> this is the arcane stuff that no one pays attention to usually. you could have a contested convention. the idea of what committees people are on, the credentials these could be important. the new hampshire republican party whose chairwoman has been outspoken and a fan of donald trump put together a slate of people and said this is our slate for who's going to have these committee spots. there were zero people who were come delegates. he won the state and has a 11 of the 23 delegates. the trouble people complained. wasn't the process transparent. they look like they succeeded. they pulled back today. she said we are going to have a meeting and debate this together.

we will look for your reporting online at politico.com. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. give 72 of our delegate votes to the next president of the united states. ♪ [applause] ♪ announcer: net c-span's washington journal, live every

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