independent presidential candidate ralph nader talks about campaign 2016 and his upcoming book. >> this has been an amazing evening. i did not expect it. what ted did is a really brave thing to do and a great thing to do. we want to bring unity to the republican party. ♪ that began with 17 candidates, donald trump has become the parties nominee after winning in indiana and senator ted cruz dropping out of the race. on the democrat side, bernie sanders scored another win in the hoosier state that it does little to change the delegate math. we will talk to bernie sanders's supporters later in the program. we want to begin with pumpkins only this morning.

ken mr. trump unite the party? if you support the new york you'reaire -- if supporting john kasich. if you supported ted cruz, want to hear from you. you can join the conversation on .witter and you can go to facebook.com/c-span. it was not only donald trump who called for unity with --ublicans, rights prevents saying at real donald trump will be the presumptive nominee, we all need to unite and focus on defeating hillary clinton, never clinton is the #. ,he daily news puts it this way the republican party 1854 to

2016 and they had the headline, dearly beloved, we are here today to mourn at the gop, a once great political party killed by the epidemic of trump. the new york times has this on their website about the exit polls coming out of indiana where it showed mr. trump faces a significant interparty rift. a majority of indiana republicans think the party has been divided by the battle fought by donald trump, ted cruz and john kasich. half of those who voted for cruz or kasich on tuesday night said they would not vote for mr. trump in the general election. the wall street journal this morning, their editorial says indiana trump. now as the result of -- present of nominee, it is time he starts acting like it. he says it is time for the gop to unify, but most of the

response ability is now his. trump toto mr. convince his conservative detractors that it is not necessary, that would include behaving in a way that -- unfavorable numbers with many voters. the washington post says the anti-trump republicans are considering how far they will go . this is what the report, the continued nastiness prompted some anti-trump republicans look toard an unthinkable aspect -- thet to make way for former senator to john the queen. the gop is going to nominate the president, a guy who reads the national enquirer and thinks it is on the level. i am with her is what she -- is what he underwrites it --

underwrites. reinforces cruz from the race. out of lafayette courier and journal, and then there was trump. take a look in the delegate count, where it stands at indiana. donald trump sweeping their. he has 1047. he has one that she is 190 delegates away -- he is 190 delegates away. just a day after indiana he says he is staying in it. he has 153 delegates. as we said, senator ted cruz dropped out. we want to show you what he had to say yesterday after that the feet. we will come back and take your calls. >> from the beginning, i have asd that i would continue on

long as there was a viable path to victory. itight, i am sorry to say appears that path has been foreclosed. we left it all on the field in indiana. we gave it everything we've got. the voters chose another path. so with a heavy heart but with boundless optimism, for the ,ong-term future of our nation we are suspending our campaign. now, i am not suspending our fight for liberty. [applause] >> i am not suspending our fight

to defend the constitution. to defend the judeo-christian values that built america. [applause] continue.ement will i give you my word that i will continue this fight with all of my strength and all of my ability. [indiscernible] >> you are extraordinary. we will continue to fight next week, next month, next year. we will continue as long as god grants us the strength to fight on. host: with the texas rebooking out of the race, political observers saying donald trump is all but the present of nominee and the republican national committee chairman said so

himself. can he unite the party? rob, you supported ted cruz. what do you think of your candidate dropping out? will you vote for donald trump? caller: i will hold my nose and vote for trump. after i do that, i will come home in stick my head in the toilet bowl. there is no other alternative, hillarythe opposition is so dishonest and corrupt, she makes it since seems like george washington. suck itately, he had to up and vote for the lesser of the three evils. that is it. host: do you think donald trump can win that go we will not find out, lost in. tricia, your supporting john kasich. what you think? can donald trump unite the party? caller: i am not sure. i would like to think he can. i have hope for the sake of our

country that he can. there are some things he said that we agree with. so we willtimistic, see what happens here at host: exit polls from your state yesterday, half of those who voted for senator cruz and kasich said they would not vote for donald trump in the general election. does that include you? caller: yes. i am a kasich supporter. i would not support for cruz or trump. yes, we were definitely behind john kasich. we were disappointed he did i come to the state. cruzuld not support ted for the reasons of what he did in washington causing the division that he did. donald trump, there are too many uncertainties. host: what are you going to do in the general echo -- general?

caller: i do not know. we do not like hillary because of things she has done, so we have not decided. host: and you stay home? caller: we will get a lot of slack for it, but that is a possibility. host: have you ever not voting? caller: yes. we do not vote for president bush in the second term. we cannot hold our nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. if we have deep concerns, we feel that we cannot vote for the person. host: why don't you like donald trump? caller: there's too much uncertainty. some of the things we agree with. i am not sure how he is going to do as president on a global

level. does.l see how he leading up to november and he may learn a lot and change a lot. so that is depending on what he does from now until the election. host: ok. that was tricia who voted for john kasich yesterday. glen rock, pennsylvania, your supporting donald trump. what do you think? caller: this is a good day. i tell you, when cruz and kasich ganged up on him, how cowardice is that. i called it. i said this is going to be a backfire on them and trump was going to get more support. what i think people need to realize, everybody in the campaign like this, they are going to come out and say a lot of -- a lot on their campaign

trail and be very gruff, but trump is speaking the heart of most americans. now i think that he has is locked in, he is going to try and negotiate and get better and get better in with the party, because you cannot be a one-man show. i think he played really well. i'd really do. do i agree with everything, no. right now he is the best that we need. it's like i tell everybody, i peopler in the 60's when worked hard, blue-collar workers and we had industry here. i don't think the young folks .ealize that is dissipating if you look at 2008, the debt we was $9 trillion. it is now 19 train dollars to $20 trillion. this has to change. people do not put your arm around it, because they don't see it by cash.

they see like a credit card. i am very happy. host: of many in the republican party are nervous because the unfavorables are so high. he has said things that have alienated groups of voters that republicans need. how does he when against -- how does he went against what many are thinking the democratic nominee, hillary clinton? how does he when? heart: no one in their once the past eight years we've had. we are in a downward spin. we are not going to get anywhere. want a change. fact that america was a change, she is not going to have a chance in hell. host: if he should have a change theme to his campaign. -- mr. trump is not going to beat hillary clinton with an insult campaign.

do you agree echo -- do you agree? here, i canhone barely hear. do you agree -- host: do you agree with the wall street editorial that donald trump has to stop insulting people? he's got a clenched. he is not going to get up desk give up insulting her. that is the way the race works. now he feels like he hasn't. he is going to go after her. he is going to be the tories. -- be victorious. .ost: let me read a little more he cannot insult his way to the presidency. he cannot expect undecided voters to trust that he will do that if he becomes president. he could start by doing some homework on issues. republican voters in their wisdom have rallied to donald

trump to break up the washington status quo. his job is to not let them down. you are supporting trump in woodbridge, virginia and you were on the air. caller: good morning. are you there? before i tell you why i am supporting donald trump i want to speak to the question of hispanics and women. say,nic americans i would the republican party once you. we know you are hard workers and family oriented. there is no one out there that will provide jobs like donald trump would. that is what is most important to hispanic americans. my family is part hispanic. two women, i was a donald trump is the only candidate out there who has experience in business and who has broken the glass ceiling on empowering women and raising them to the levels of business executives with pay and promotions.

on a whole, donald trump is the best candidate for women and minorities. host: let's listen to what donald trump had to say in new york yesterday when he celebrated his when an indiana. >> ted did a brave thing and a great thing. we want to bring unity to the republican party -- [applause] >> many people are calling like you and i believe, the media, the press would not believe. people who have said the worst things about me -- i have never had thinks said about me like this. in my businesses i have always been respected. in politics, it is easy, the worst things. they are calling now and they are calling us all and saying we would love to get on the train, the trump train.

[applause] and i spoke to one today. who is vicious. this guy was unbelievable. i said i love having you and i think it is terrific. after what you said about me, how could you possibly join our team? he said mr. trump don't even think about it, there will be no problem. host: donald trump last night sing the party needs to unify can he do it? melissa, you supported ted cruz, what do you think? caller: i cannot see myself voting for trump, just the way he has insulted and moralized. he is so immoral and giving the bible says the man should not be. he has enough nerve to say i never ask for forgiveness.

it goes against my conscience. i don't think i could bring us up to do it. host: what are you going to do then? vote for thel representatives in anybody local. if there is a third-party candidate that i can respect and in a good conscience vote for, i will. i am not going to be voting from us to trump. i can't imagine anything outside of conversion taking place, because i cannot. everything, i can't respect at this point. how could i vote for him? host: what if senator ted cruz who do not mention donald trump's name, when he said he was ending his campaign, what if i were to come out and say would like my supporters to go and support donald trump for the sake of the republican party? so that we can be -- beat hillary clinton? caller: i don't

think i can do it. trump has to change. i love mr. cruz, i have been eyeing for him. i stand before god. until mr. trump shows me something worth voting for, i cannot do it. i really don't see a big difference between trump and hillary. 10 years ago he was just like hillary. why should i support what hillary over the other hillary. i don't see any reason for that. host: what does he need to say? caller: everybody don't election year says i'm a christian. when you act like it, i will believe you. not when you say it. i want to see real fruit. i want to know what is inside him. you can just somebody by how they act -- you can judge somebody i how they act. there is nothing christlike about him. . cannot believe him

host: what you think the brewpub -- what do you think the republican party should do? -- anti-trump repugnance consider how far they will go. some say they are for hillary clinton. others say they should keep up this anti-trump strategy that they have been trying to do and all the way to the convention. what do you think? up.er: i don't want to give i think the next four years are important. we loselose -- once that supreme court, we have lost so much. i don't want to give up. i would fight in any way that i could. if they want to keep fighting it, i would, because honestly i don't see enough of a difference to make it. host: if the republican party says we have to vote for donald trump, then what do you do?

it goes against my conscience to vote for mr. trump. i am just going to have to trust god. i cannot bring us up to do it. i cannot do it. host: that is melissa who voted -- who supported ted cruz. the washington post story about the anti-trump republicans, they report that some anti-republicans think the current strategy should not be abandoned. he has now won seven straight primaries. from tim plenty -- the anti-trump efforts did not work and spending more resources to keep him from a nomination will be expensive clinical therapy or theater at this point. harry in pittsburgh, a you

supported donald trump. good morning to you. caller: i support them and i tell you what, he is going to win. hillary clinton has made some and statements, starting off during the debate why do white lives matter? none of them would answer. she made these statements against coal miners. she made a statement that really got a lot of people ticked off, white supremacy she mentioned. white privilege, i mean. i don't have white privilege. i worked 50 years. i don't have nothing near what she gets. the other thing is she has a good campaign slogan. be campaign slogan should vote for me, i am hillary, i should win. all she is doing is talking about women, criticizing what people. , they arepennsylvania not too happy with her. she tried to take it back. i do not mean it did she creates

more hate the donald trump does. you. we share this with it is on the front page of the news analysis from him. he writes in a general election matchup, donald trump begins at a significant disadvantage. yes, it is a long way until election day here to mr. trump has upended the conventional wisdom. this is when an early horserace hel such give indication -- even trails in some polls of several states where mitt romney won in 2012 like north carolina, utah. could mr. trump overtake mrs. clinton, sure it mrs. clinton is very unpopular herself. her polling lead is a snapshot in time before the barrage of attack ads. they have been 10 point ships

over the general election season. of a precedentch for huge swings in races with candidates as well known as mr. trump and mrs. clinton. an majority of americans minute like her, but they say they are scared of him. to have a chance, he will need to change that. his biggest problem is that he would be the most unpopular nominee in the modern era. some say they are scared of his candidacy. -- who propelled president obama's election four years ago. marilyn, you are supporting john kasich. he says he is staying in it until donald trump gets to that magic number. the you think you should stay? caller: no. he doesn't have a chance. he is a good man.

i am a moderate. toually when it comes elections, i will vote for trump , because he is more moderate than he is conservative. he scared me with his conservative view like hillary scared me with her liberal. i am in between. i've listen to him and i have , youned to c-span, fox guys come anybody else i could. i try to pull away from soundbites. as much as i admire kasich, i would have to go with trump goes to the general. i cannot stand hillary. host: you do believe that donald trump can unite the republicans? caller: if you get away from the soundbites and listen to what the man is saying, i do. tois like we are going export all of these mexicans. he was talking like that get the

bad ones out of here and let's get the good ones back in here and get all of these families together. get the drugs out, get the murderers out. even hispanics are listing to him. i watched c-span the other day where they were talking about with ice. talking to the director of ice and their like all of these murderers and you're letting them in. people are not happy about this. we have to do our jobs. host: all right, get the campaign memo after indiana's results from the campaign manager. it says the kasich campaign had already secured a large plurality of indiana delegates committed to governor kasich as part of a free primary delegates selection process. governor kasich will remain in the race unless a candidate reaches 1237 bound delegates before the convention.

here is why, governor kasich remains the candidate in the best position to win in a contested convention, a plurality of trump delegates -- he can unite the party better than anyone else. brent, you supported senator ted cruz in charleston, west virginia. caller: i have supported senator ted cruz, i will never vote for donald trump under any circumstances. the main reason, it is a compound reason. the first is ideology. i have noticed throughout this campaign thus far that the only position on which donald trump has not changed or contradicted his the -- himself are the left wing positions, the pro-abortion, pro-federal funding of planned parenthood,

the parties for socialized medicine, the support of the individual mandate in obamacare and so on. on the rest of the issues, where he has up till now try to convince people that he is somehow a conservative after 40 years of being a democrat party super donor. on those issues he says he can rapidly,"change very depending on the situation." supporters,to trump how do they know what this man believes? how can they trust what he says? how do they know that if he wins, which he want knowll not, how do they that we will not receive hillary clinton liked? character.eason, his

early on in the campaign, up to maybe january, i was able -- i told myself i am pretty much -- i will pretty much but for any republicans against any of the democrats in the race. then ted cruz surpassed donald trump in iowa in the polls. here we started with the birther nonsense. we started with the allegations of multiple affairs. now here just yesterday, donald trump is out talking about ted cruz's father was involved in the jfk assassination. this sleazy gutter, sewer stuff that donald trump has spent all these months insulting ted cruz and everyone who supports him and last night he talks about how badly he has been treated. he talks about uniting the party. you've got to be kidding me.

host: new york times front page, mr. trump's victory was extraordinary moment in american political history. -- during world war ii who had not served in elected office. mr. trump, a real estate tycoon turned celebrity was not a mr. republican until april of 2012. here is the new york businessman last night trying to make nice toward senator ted cruz. >> i have to tell you that i have met some of the most incredible competitors that i have ever competed against right here on the republican party. ,e started off with a 17 number and just so you understand, ted cruz, i don't know if he likes

me or doesn't, but he is one hell of a competitor. he is a tough, smart guy. [applause] got an amazing future. he's got an amazing future. so i want to congratulate ted and i know how tough it is. it is tough. i've had some moments where it was not looking so good. feeling. a great i understand how ted feels and heidi and their whole beautiful family. i would say though that one tough competitor. donald trump with kind words toward ted cruz after the one in indiana. the texas senator dropped out of the race suspending his campaign. bernie sanders act up another win in the hoosier state. it did little to change the map.

just change the math. .- changed the math hillary clinton with 2001. 2383 to win. she needs 18% of the remaining delegates. of thesanders needs 97% delegates in the primaries that are coming up. we are talking with republicans only. mary in michigan, donald trump, can he unite the party echo -- party? caller: yes, i believe he can. once people believe -- once people call down and realize that this basically is a turning point. this is going to be a turning point in our country, because i believe we are going to be

choosing whether or not we go and the path of socialism changing because that is what they have been trying to do for a long time, getting rid of our first amendment rights, second amendment rights, all of our rights. they want to change the constitution. host: let me hear from priscilla who is also supporting donald trump. ,aller: i am a born-again spirit filled black woman who loves donald trump. i trust him. i'm so excited at 4:30 this morning to know that i will be up to put on my trump t-shirt and go to the polls and vote for him. -- me to you this host: that is on june 7. caller: it is 4:30 in the morning. i have a sister in mississippi who is a diehard democrat.

she called me and she was so excited. she is going to vote for donald trump. host: what do you and your sister like about them? caller: we just trust him and everything that he says. he is down-to-earth. he speaks the truth of the matter how it hurts. it is the truth. host: does that mean he did not trust hillary clinton -- does that mean you do not trust hillary clinton? caller: i do .ot vote for hillary clinton i never voted for her or her husband. i am so glad that we get a chance to vote for somebody who from the day he walked out and announced it, and it is not because of his celebrity. i only watched the show when it first came on. i never watched any other. i pray for him. i pray every night for him and his family.

i really do believe he can make -- i think, i look at his heart. he is a good person. host: i have to leave it there. i have to get back to more calls. paul egan joins us on the phone. to talk with us about president obama's visit to put michigan. you can, what prompted this visit? egan: the flatr. supply -- the flint water supply with lead is the main reason. what he said prompted his visit was a letter he received from an whot-year-old flint girl wrote telling him about the problems with the drinking water . the president said he told the young girl that he wants her and ther residents to know

federal government is going to look after this problem. there is a lot of frustration in , and how quick and complete the response has been so far. who holds responsibility for water issue in a state? is it primarily the state's role and not the federal government's role? mr. egan: this was a state issue , even the governor appointed a tax -- a task force which put most of the responsibility on michigan department of environmental quality which handles drinking water's possibilities. it is even accentuated more in this case because in this case the city which has responsibility for drinking water was under the control of the state manager because flint was in such bad financial shape, the state had basically put the city in receivership and basically in charge of the city

in time of this contamination happening. host: who will the president be meeting with? mr. egan: he will be meeting with governor snyder. he will be meeting with the mayor of flint, karen weaver. state, be briefed by the local and federal officials to hold a meeting with flint residents and speak to about 1000 people at northwestern high school in flint. with the young girl that wrote in the letter. childis a three-year-old who has become a part of the face of this crisis which was featured on the cover of time magazine in january. his name is sincere smith. him and his mother has been -- ham and his mother have been invited to the high school. host: c-span will be covering

the president's visit live at 3:55 p.m. eastern time for our viewers who want to listen to what he has to say. what is the president hoping to a cop as? egan: it is not clear in terms of immediate action. it is a symbolic visit to show that the president cares. he is putting pressure on congress. there is bills before congress that would provide over 200 million nationwide to address for structure problems. about $100 million could go to the city of flint to replace lead service lines. he is behind that legislation and republicanc members of congress from michigan are backing. he will like to get that through. host: paul egan with the detroit

free press. inky server. -- thank you sir. back to our callers and whether or not donald trump can unite the party. wall street journal this morning says the pressure is mounting on gop leaders. only 12 of the 300 republicans serving in the house and senate and three of the 31 republican him.nors have endorsed to sell in new hampshire, he supported ted cruz and your state got to vote. what do you think? can he unite the party? happeningdon't see it . i think he is going to fracture the party. i don't trust him.

foolsk he has made such out of our republican party. just a despicable things he has done and said. can't even believe people support him. it is like they don't even hear anything he says. i have to go by what somebody said, and if they -- and they are spouting all of his garbage. just yesterday, he was accusing cruz's father being involved in jfk's assassination. ridiculous! let's just incite people to be crazy. and just say the most crazy things. i don't know. host: what are you going to do

in the general election? that a whitehoping knight is go to come in and save the day. i don't know. i'm almost at the point where i am so upset with everything the , thisican party has done whole primary election is gone, i almost don't want to go to the polls. -- host: what you think last night? caller: i think you show some class. photo for trump is a bridge too far. i am not a republican, i am conservative. great -- weould be

can cram stuff down hillary's road for four years. moon -- two people from the same impeached. there will be history in the making. going for trump, i cannot do it. did to some of the disabled vets, i cannot. host: if hillary wins, the gop keeps its power in congress. back to nate combs column in the new york times this morning, he says that mrs. clinton's strength among young non-white educated voters would be enough to make her a favorite. the republicans we need to do as nearly as well as voters as ronald reagan did in his landslide in 1984, merely to

fight to a draw. nonwhite voters could make up nearly 30% of the electorate in 2016, up from 14% in 1984. tom, you support the ohio governor in miami florida. you're on the air. caller: good morning. i want to say, kasich needs to and he needs to rally trial.the all of these people talking about trump -- look at jacob wilkerson. all of these americans murdered by illegal aliens. they don't want to speak english down here anymore. it has to come to an end. trump has some issues but let me tell you, although people keep saying they're not going to vote for trump, they're all going to vote for trump. look at hillary, it is over for

the united states of america as we know it. kasich would be a great guy and trump's cabinet. he knows how to balance the budget. ted cruz would be a wonderful supreme court justice. i do believe donald trump would elect him. would putmp said he ted cruz on the supreme court. -- ted cruz was to build a wall, donald trump is the one who brought it out in the beginning. people keep saying this about trump, but donald trump is the only one -- host: we heard that point. other news from the indiana primary, big victory for the establishment as todd young wins indiana gop senate primary there. it says he easily won tuesday to replace daniel coats doing a critical when for -- debated

an american crossroads flooded the states with ads to boost young's profile. the super pac started by senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is allied with american crossroads was expected to spend $235,000 in broadcasting and the primary right -- in the primary run-up. republican leaders know they can afford to lose only three senate seats if they hope to retain control of the chamber next year. young, a lawyer is expected to have a better shot of being a -- of beating former congressman november. kathy, you are supporting donald trump in tennessee. what do you think of last night echo is it incumbent upon him to unify the party?

caller: i think he is going to give it a good try. host: kathy, you have to turn down the tv. it is not unfair on him, you know. host: i apologize, you're getting that feedback. you got to listen to your phone. what is coming up next? donald trump looks toward california with 162 delegates. challenge to unify the gop. fishers -- i'm with her, meaning supporting clinton. going to stand a race until donald trump clears the magic number of 1237. good morning to you, go ahead. caller: good morning how are you?

host: what do you think? can donald trump unify the party? caller:cannot tell -- cannot tell. i think he is going to get a lot of nonvoters. i was a cruz supporter but i am going to vote republican. now that trump is the nominee, i hope you come all the journalists and democrats are going to condone the violence that is going to come at the rallies. i have no problem with peaceful protests, and i hope that you and your colleagues and democrats are not going to justify violence in any way. that is my point. host: you are on the air. caller: hi. my name is lorraine. what i am

calling about is i am for kasich . he's a very moral person. all of these people who are for mr. trump, the president, go way person and jim jones this man reminds me of jim jones. he radicalized people's minds and made them believe in him and he is nothing but economist. -- nothing but a con artist. there is good to be so much dismay at the convention that i'm afraid people are going to be killed. he only cares about himself. host: you believe the ohio governor should stay in it until the convention? caller: absolutely. i hope there is a miracle that happens. this man has buffaloed millions of people that he is going to do all of these wonderful things for america. he is going to make america look like a fool. some gets the

nomination, what do you do? caller: i would definitely vote them a craddick. -- vote democratic. this man is jim jones. host: allen, supporting donald trump. good morning to you. i apologize when people call you and try to personalize these attacks. am roman catholic and i went to receive communion. our bible thumper's so personally hurt by donald trump. i think they have to overlook it. i am not so crazy about trump. he is not too specific. that is the thing that is disturbing me. i love it. thinkt the system -- i

marijuana should be legal but i do not like abortion. i think abortion is horrible. [indiscernible] today's rebook interchanging. host: it is cutting out in a there -- is cutting out there. we heard you. -- "after a fall, it was the end." referring to the video of carly fiorina wishy introduced the cruz's. when they come out. watch the video. can see that she falls. you can see tenet -- senator ted cruz looking down, shaking hands. he says that he saw a carly fiorina fall but he did not react. what you missed is the man that ted cruz isn't. ted cruz lost the election in that moment.

even if cruz missed the fall initially, the video clearly shows his lack of action. this minuscule moments thus leading is nonetheless and scoped a story about the greed of ambition and the ambivalence of narcissism. it may not be fair to summarize a person's intent, but sometimes that is all it takes to end a political career. one second your candidate, the next you're a cad. cruz's bitterlls they like the intensity of cruz's intensity. extravagant extreme content and equal measure. if that sounds paradoxical, it is.

of both sides of a scowl. it seems to be the was the common man. italy ready to demonstrate what while the line severing smart and smart alec is not all that blurry, he could never stay on the winning side of it. nicholas, he supported the senator. good morning, you are on the air. caller: i just feel that i cannot vote for donald trump, because i feel he fails the common decency test which is a baseline for any type of presidential candidate. for example, what really bothered me was when he humiliated hillary clinton when she was late coming to the podium. i think those type of comments

humiliating comments again failed the human decency standard. therefore i feel he is invalid as a presidential candidate. aim: trump is ready to take . unlike gop rivals, she will fire back. she -- he is about to walk into a $1 billion bus saw. saw.zz she is ready to get back at him. caller: there is a style, and i and thethough his words words he says are unacceptable. you do not go there. you do not talk about someone's bathroom break. host: pasha, your supporting donald trump. can he unify -- patrick, your

are supporting donald trump. can he unify the party? caller: interesting conversation this morning. donald trump, he has redefined the party. he has done things that the system wanted to get the republican base energized and backing. after suffering a years under this president, this empty suit we have. trump, it is beautiful to see him talk, strong, confident male. a beautiful family. what a lot of people are used to seeing white males being neutered. donald trump a strong. you can believe him. he does business here. we do business with him all the time. chris christie, they are teaming up. it is a powerhouse. he is going to win in a landslide.

it is great to hear all of these liberals planning to leave the country when he gets elected, because they have been exploiting the illegal aliens in the country and making money from them. now they have to leave. host: pasha, we leave it there. -- patrick, we leave it there. the billionaire won the support of republican men in the state by a 25 point margin over ted cruz. six in 10 supported donald trump . we will leave the competition there. we're going to talk to supporters of bernie sanders only. we will do that in our last hour. first coming up, jim carafano, a veteran and vice president of heritage foundation will join us to talk about the fight against isis for a third u.s. service member was killed there yesterday. ralph nader the former green party and independent

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an attack. chordate air support. -- coordinate air support. typically, what seems to be the case here, they are operating at a command post which is not a front within range. it may be fire. maybe a mile or two behind the lines. from the press accounts, what appears to happen, they were supporting the murder which was one of the major groups of a rack which have been fighting against isis. there was a counter attack. we have seen this before which is what isis does, they load up vehicles with explosives. they put drivers in them. drive at they enemy. when they reach an enemy they detonate.

sending a of like barrage of cruise missiles, it is a barrage of vehicles. both are the enemies defenses did you come in with troops behind it. there wasunds like is a counter attack similar to that that broke through some of the command posts. it was actually fighting. according to the defense, she was more directly shot. himselfhe was defending he caught a stray bullet, we do not know. host: they're not there on a combat mission. why was he so close to the front lines? guest: some of this was a station without a difference. the administration trying to sustain the narrative that we ended the war. we do not have boots on the ground. we have soldiers that were

operating in a combat zone. that means there is potential for them to get wounded or killed by enemy fire. my friend a fire which happens frequently. to say making distinction between that and they are not in combat which literally means i have a weapon in my hands and i am trying to engage inches somebody. in terms of your potential to being killed or wounded, i'm not sure there's much of a difference. for the average american, they scratch their head. for the soldier on the ground, you don't know what the front lines are. killed whoy soldiers were not combat soldiers. they were killed by ied's or mines or shot by snipers.

the fact that you are technically not in combat, from a hazard standpoint -- that doesn't make much difference. i want to show you what the white house said yesterday. was earnest said he performing duties that were in line with the mission laid out by the president. >> secretary carter described this as a combat death. this is an individual who was not in a combat mission but he was in a dangerous place and his position came under attack. he was armed, trained, and prepared to defend himself. unfortunately, he was killed in combat. but that was not part of his mission. his mission was to offer advice and assistance. >> so that is in keeping with the -- what the president said? i know that i keep going back

to this, but the best way i can think of to describe to the american people exactly what is ispening is the mission different from the mission that our service members had during the 2003 invasion. in 2003, there was a combat operation, forces on the grounds, u.s. forces on the ground that were given the mission to seek out and engage the enemy in combat. -- and at itsnds peak more than 100,000 u.s. forces were given that mission. we are talking about 4000 u.s. service members. their mission is dangerous but it is predicated on building up the capacity of iraqi forces. host: who do was talking about, is charlie keating, grandson of the savings and loan financier with the same name.

bradley boling confirmed that. what did you make of what you heard? guest: the statement was accurate. that is a precise description of what happened. it is an important distinction. it is a different mission than we did when we invaded iraq in 2003 or even at we were fighting at the height of the surge. for a lot ofssue analysts looking at this is -- we get that it is different but the president's key distinction is that this is not what we did in 2003. is, will it accomplish the mission that you assigned? the mission is to break isis territorial control over iraq.

this is important because it is key not just to the physical control of the iraq but to the isis area, a historic religious achievement. they are pushing the restoration of the great islamic empire and part of that is to have a state. a physical space you are demonstrating you control and govern and a flag flying over your capital. that the grand central is modal -- mosul. it allows isis to stake a claim. not are wen is, doing something different, but will it actually accomplish that goal? host: look at the graphic the washington post put together. when operation inherent resolve began, you were talking about a

.70, 200 some service people the number has grown to 4000. as more troops go in, service members go in, does that not expand the mission. >> absolutely. this leads a lot of analysts to question what is going on here. it is a deliberate strategy. this, as it appears to be, and incremental strategy? i would like to do it with minimum resources and engagement that i can get away with. the question is, what do i do? answer of 170 isn't enough, i will add more. there is a committing -- competing narrative here.

sensing success in building on the success. we honestly sit back and argue both sides of this. host: let's get to calls. linda, south carolina, republican. caller: yes ma'am. that't necessarily think iss war -- undeclared war -- there in any means. my son was a u.s. marine, embassy duty in zambia. he said everything went fine there. uproar iney had a sweden when he went there and he said you never saw a thing about it in the paper.

he said, we had rifles but no ammunition. he said whenever we needed ammunition, we had to call from location and other have them bring it to us. locked down the embassy, he basically had points that said if they get to hear, then you retreat to this point. if they get to this point, pullback and call for ammunition. not just my son but anybody's son that is going to voluntarily defend this country and the rights that we have, they can't do that with empty guns and no way to defend themselves. host: i am going to have jim

jump in. guest: first of all, any time we hear about a young man or women volunteering for the military, it takes away their breath a little. they are people trying to defend us. we as americans always have to be really grateful and we don't stop to say that. the caller raises an important point, which is -- regardless of whether you are a volunteer or we have the same obligation to a 19-year-old that is drafted than we do for a kid who volunteers. that is when we put american men and women in harm's way, i think we have the obligation to do that with a reasonable expect tatian that we have given them -- expectation that we have given them a mission that is achievable. we describe it in times of

feasible, suitable, acceptable. will this accomplish what we want? is it acceptable -- an acceptable cost of lives? anytime you craft out a military mission, you way those free -- those three factors. you put people at risk. there is a big difference between doing that and doing soething -- doing this for -- for show, but i am going to do this so people don't get mad at me. not to say this is the same situation, but this was the problem with the vietnam war. to fight thet want vietnam war but he didn't want to appear to be weak on communism so he adopted and incremental strategy.

we started on this very incremental plan without a clear strategy and we wound up with a massive military engagement. host: eric in arkansas, democrat. caller: i have a comment and a couple of questions. my comment is this war is going to cost $50 billion. we will be in and out of iraq in six months. in and out in six months. the war will be paid for with iraq oil. we will be welcomed as liberators, freedom is going to spread across the middle east like a beacon of light. the mobile weapons lab was a filthy lie. possesses -- the aluminum

lie. to make uranium is a bushme again why george w. slaughtered 100,000 innocent -- 400,000 of 400 our soldiers in body bags. do overs in no history and there are no do overs in war. we can argue that to death. i work at a nonprofit foundation and our job is to figure out what the best path is. those are awesome debates to have, but we are where we are. the question is, what is the way forward. to be a bipartisan consensus among most americans that the idea that isis is dangerous. it is dangerous from a reasonable standpoint, in that a

theorist group creates potential for larger stability that could lead to larger regional conflicts which could be damaging to the global community. isis is the root of a global insurgency that inspires and motivates and has created a global presence. both of those are problematic or dangerous for the united states. we have an interest in seeing the end of an isis control in a rock. -- in iraq. host: did the invasion caused the rise of isis? guest: clearly not. the invasion caused an opportunity for al qaeda to get back in the game. afghanistan, it

was deeply humiliating. if you are weak, you are dishonored. if you don't have honor, you are not somebody to have respect. they were in a difficult situation. since their brand had been .ullied almost beyond repair al qaeda had to demonstrate that .t was a powerful force it looked for opportunities to do that. the taking down of the government in iraq did do that for people in the region and they had people that were willing to host them. that was clearly the result of that war. we have another huge debate about the surge and what it actually achieved, but when the surge was over, al qaeda was militarily defeated and politically defeated and crushed. and you had a stable government

at that point. then the united states decided to draw -- withdraw its forces. it withdrew itself as an interlocutor. so you have this interesting condition where there was not a stabilizing political force and there was no military force in the country. and then what happened, was the rise of the conflict in syria and the rise of the conflict in syria created a space for what became isis. to move in and turn around and come into iraq. there is no u.s. iraqi force. the government is deeply fractured and isis is where it is. forward to today, where there are protesters storming the parliament inside agnes had -- inside baghdad.

guest: again, we go back and forth and debate this, where there is one sign that argues -- one side that argues that there has been enough success against isis that people don't feel like baghdad is in peril anymore and therefore, people feel like it is ok to go back to the old divisive politics in baghdad because we are not under absolute pressure. the leader of one of the shia anti-americaneen since the start and use the opportunity to press his case against the government. this is the real issue. i have questions with the surge. we can flooded with american forces and we can physically defeat al qaeda. but is there a political economic plan that is going to

bring stability after that? is, even if you get the military fixed and everything else obama said, can you sustain offensive to drive these guys out. after that, can you get some sense of political stability with curd, sunni, and shia all willing to live together. caller: i have a question about saw the reduction of forces in the army, air force, navy, and all the services, but no one has talked about anything in the intelligence community and i was curious because i am they thinkbout -- back into the forces that were on the ground -- what i know -- what damage and

how safe are our troops with what obama has done to the community? >> in the military, we have clear data. one of the things we do is an index of u.s. military strength. we grade the capabilities and capacity of the u.s. military to do its mission and it is a consistent way we grade it every year. stunning for a lot of people considering we spend $600 billion a year on defense but clearly their capacity has been declining. the intelligence community is interesting. part of the issue is not so much the size of it but where the focus is. the ukraine when

war started, the defense intelligence agency told me there was nobody on the ukraine desk. analyzingno officers what is going on in ukraine. at -- publicly analysts for 18 months or two years. you scratch your head and you wonder why is that. the real downsides when we withdrew our forces from iraq after president obama got elected was we started to roll up our intelligence as well. so when syria happened, we had very little intelligence on the ground. when you put troops in harms way in syria and iraq, one of the things you do is not going there blind. host: if you want to check out

the military strength index, go to heritage.org. mike, virginia, democrat. caller: i have two quick comments. the first one is regarding this administrations vision for the middle east. i think it is very ineffective. it will lead to nowhere. a similar stand to what has happened during the surge. to get crushing force isis out and drain their support . it is primarily based on the fact that they are successful. when you crush them, you show everyone that these people will end up nowhere. that is the first comment and

the second is i am concerned about the next president. i believe it is going to be hillary clinton and i want to ask the guest and everybody else if they know anything about the person who was one of the top advisers for clinton. she is running her campaign. family members tied to the muslim brotherhood. there was a believe request for a hearing or a discussion about it in congress couple of years back. senator mccain killed it. if this woman gets into the white house, how do you think the future foreign policy will be shaped? host: do you have any thoughts? guest: we should be concerned

about the future in the middle east. one of the answers was, if the united states became energy independent and didn't have to worry about middle east oil, we could turn our back and forget it. ironically, the united states has become a major energy producer due to fracking. ironically, the middle east is still all over the headlines. commodity, sol even if we are not buying middle east oil, somebody else is buying middle east oil. some of the people who buy that oil are people we do a lot of business with. a lot of other reasons why the middle east is important is migration. some of the biggest movable populations on the planet are in the middle east. when they move, they can cause issues. it is also a global center of finance, air traffic, and 90% of

the world's goods moved by sea and a lot of those go through the gulf and the suez canal. think the, i don't strategy has worked. --arly, the disengagement the disengagement for iraq created a massive opportunity for isis. response has's largely not worked. the response was engage with nonviolent muslim islamist groups because they present a viable alternative. that didn't work either. i think the administration would say that has been problematic so i think the next president has isis and destabilizingief forces. "i can'ttwitter,

a president who will remove all troops from the middle east." , the: the reality is united states -- the level of instability we have now, the united states is going to have to have some presence in the region. from moreiran regional destabilization, getting the terrorist threat down to the point where it is not threatening a regional war or serving as a base for a global insurgency, those are tasks we outsourced to others. president obama said "i am not george w. bush. i am not going to invade countries." in libya, we outsourced it to others and we quickly discovered they didn't have the capability to do that.

even president obama, who would have agreed with that years ago, who doesn't want to fight wars, would have to acknowledge today we would not stem the tide of isis without u.s. military troops actively engaging in combat. maybe they are not pulling triggers but they are calling in airstrikes and everything else. any reasonable person would argue that america's interests are going to be protect did if there is not an american flag somewhere in the region. that is different from saying we need to conquer countries but it is a lot different from saying we can spin it on one hand. host: another u.s. service member was killed, a navy seal. it is the grandson of the former financier charles keating. keating was the man whose financial empire cost investors

their life savings when it crumbled. it became the moniker for the including john mccain, who intervened on his behalf during the savings and loan scandal. keating died in 2014 at the age of 90. rick in annapolis, republican. my dad was in world war ii, the battle of the bulge. we are listening rick. caller: he was in the battle of germany, he was in a foxhole and his turbine came open and a soldier jumped in. i can't believe i was in new york city a couple nights ago."

the reason is his last name was kera fano. , healled them after the war lived in new hampshire, and when i saw your name, it is the first dad i have seen that name, fought all of through the battle of the bulge. the only name i remember from all his buddies. if he is not a relative, at least you got that and there you are, a colonel in the army. i just want to say thank you on behalf of all americans for your service and your intelligence. guest: off-topic, but truth be when my grandfather came to the united states, they misspelled the name. that, you ares

related to me. impossible, so thank the father for his -- thank the caller for his father's service. i want to go back to the keating story. that raises this really important point. that says we -- so much more about americans because one of the great things is the second you put that uniform on, whether you are navy or air force, it doesn't matter who your parents or grandparents are. it doesn't matter what anybody did. it becomes about who you are and what you do for this country. there are very few countries around the world that are anything like that. a person in uniform is an honorable american and that is just a distinguishing thing about who we are and it is very

remarkable. we are still fighting, and people said we couldn't do that. americans could not take casualties or long wars and the all volunteer army would never last. and here we are, a decade into a war and we have taken lots of casualties. we have been doing it all in a volunteer force. there is a lot of resilience in this country. host: charlie keating's cousin said he had a calling. he just had a sense of purpose for what he was doing. he was a real-life superhero. dennis, minnesota, independent. caller: thank you for taking my call. i didn't hear the gentleman answer the question about the lady who talked about her son not having the proper in emission.

we had to fight hard against congress. supply oury did troops with the necessary equipment. hope -- i hold people like this gentleman responsible. people like you are supposed to take care of our troops and you didn't do your job. host: let's give him a chance to respond. guest: i understand the anger. even going into iraq and afghanistan -- we have a short video where we interview a colonel who was in an advisory group and when they got there, they didn't have any vehicles for him so they had to go out and get vehicles on the economy and for armor, they had to take off their body armor and tape it to the side of the vehicle. is we spendor that a ton of money but we actually

went into the war in iraq after a significant downsizing in the clinton years. i was the speech writer for the chief of staff and we were likerned about conflicts bosnia and kosovo where there were issues about the army having readiness. 15,000 troops. we had readiness issues. we saw some of the elements of that in the iraq war and we spent a ton of money on the military during the wars in iraq and afghanistan but most of that money didn't pay for the wars so coming out of the wars, there were a lot of underdressed -- unaddressed issues and we started producing the army -- started reducing the army again. we have been cutting the army for seven years which is why the

rating is marginal. there is a lot of neglect there. in fairness, there is a lot of bipartisan responsibility for it. int: one last call from pat west virginia. caller: good morning. thate two short questions are yes and no. one short statement. my first question -- have you been or appeared before either the council on foreign relations or the builder group. ring? wear a mason guest: no. caller: i have noticed how none of the wars that we have fought since the second world war, korea, vietnam, the first gulf war, the last two wars we have been in since 2000, none of them

ever end. they are always never-ending. host: sorry, i jumped into sin. soon.ped intoo >> after world war ii, we were in a decades long conflict. historian andy wars are conflicts. don't bring peace, they stop fighting and then we begin a new set of issues. .lato was right only the dead have seen the end of war. host: thank you so much for talking to our viewers this morning. we are going to take a short break. when we come back, ralph nader will be joining us. he is out with a new book so we will talk about that and his presidential campaign.

>> it is something that across this country means something because this is a big city in san bernardino that was attacked. this could happen anywhere. we will speak with city councilman john bell be via. >> it provides a sense of ofembrance, it highlights their lives and what they have contributed to our local community, and certainly it always will be a near and dear place to us. we are thinking of serenity garden prayer chapels of some sort. >> we will learn about the family of wyatt earp from the earth clan, which talks about notoriety.- earp's goes back to 1852 when the father of wyatt earp, the most him nicholasamed

work -- nicholas earp. they were living in monmouth illinois. before he came back to the midwest, he ventured down to southern california and passed through the san bernardino -- he thought he would come back to san bernardino. >> we will visit the san bernardino history and railroad museum and talk about the importance of the railroad to the sanardino with bernardino historical society vice president. the museum contains many objects related to the railroad history. >> construction was completed -- was completed in 1918. it was built a lot larger than it was needed because they decided to house the division headquarters at this location at that time.

watch the c-span cities tour saturday on -- at noon eastern. tour, workingies with our cable affiliates across the country. washington journal continues. we are back with consumer advocate and green party independent presidential candidate ralph nader. campaign 2016h and the results from the primaries last night. ,ernie sanders gets another win but then when you look at the the math still doesn't add up for the vermont independent senator. she has got super delegates almost to the number that she needs of 23 guest: --

who will be the democrat nominee? guest: we don't know what scandals will the fall hillary clinton. you have the e-mail situation. so that is still up in the air. the big story in the campaign is bernie sanders. he has proved you can raise a lot of money with small denominations. that is a big breakthrough. it challenges the myth that you have to go to multimillionaire funding parties and super pac's. he made a great contribution. the national polls are showing high polls inry terms of character, personality, consistency, clean politics. you never know. i think he is very important. he doesn't quit before california. i think he can help the

democrats recover congress. i think that is his role. i don't think his role is to shout her raw for hillary -- for hillary but he can go around the country getting congressional democratic congress. host: what will he ask for at the convention? caller: he will get a primetime spot but he will ask for a $15 an hour minimum wage, universal health insurance, breaking up the big banks. he is not going to get anything. once the vanquished goes to the convention, they are really vanquished and they just get in line, shut up, and praise the nominee. but i don't think he is going to do that. he can go all over the country supporting democratic candidates for election and he is likely to lend his credibility to hillary's in credibility.

ant: so should he launch independent bid? guest: it is too late. makes sure you have to climb mountains to get on the presidential debates. so he is fighting from within the democratic party. host: are you saying that from your experience? guest: i am the recordholder of documenting the two-party , restricting the choices for the american voter. own all thehey voters and everybody said shut up and get online but the greatest changes in our country were launched by third parties. the liberty party against slavery, labor farmer parties, we should remember that. new ideas and fresh directions for justice were always launched by small parties. what separates bernie sanders and hillary clinton?

she says they are not that different. guest: the thing about hillary is you have her record. -- as a relative rest militarist. the new york times is endorsing hillary and still having a page hillary the hawk. she scares obama. she scares some of the generals. war is the first choice and look at the libya attack, which was a violences, chaos and spilling into africa. that was her war. she countered the secretary of defense who was opposed to it. you can topple a dictator. what next? she wasn't ready. host: how do you know she scares president obama. has criticized him

for being soft in syria. she wanted more troops over there. and she is a corporatist. she's for wall street. if you tabulate wall street people, she is there first choice. donald trump is too temperamental, too egotistical. they want something that is predictable. i want to show you what she had to say in athens, ohio. that she madeents about coal companies, she has been holding events to talk miners,nor -- steelworkers. honor our got to obligations to minors past and present and stand with the steelworkers. ths, ionths, -- for mon

have been speaking out against coal companies like patriot and shirky that have tried to their responsibilities to workers and retirees. minors, power plant workers, and railroad employees deserve the benefits that they have earned. your reaction to hearing her speak that way? guest: i think she was right in the coal industry is coming to an end, it has to. it is dirty, harmful, we work to treatment, tens of thousands of miners have left widows and orphans due to dirty, unsafe businesses for the environment, for the waterways.

we have got to replace it with solar energy, wind power, solar thermal, efficiency, we know how to do it. more homes are putting solar panels up. it is a job intensive industry. they move into renewable energy work, which they can be proud of and don't have to die from. host: what has senator bernie sanders done to the democratic party in his campaign and to the progressive movement. guest: he has basically shown that you can have a very progressive agenda and actually win the nomination, had it not been for closed primaries. he would have won if the independent voters could have voted a few days ago in pennsylvania, connecticut, delaware. these are states he would have won if the independent voters could have voted.

he won rhode island because it wasn't them -- because it was an open primary. somebody who calls himself a democratic socialist coming up that fast, he started at 3%. what does he do next? what he has to do is lead a civic movement. rally got to have a big on the mall and he is going to take his agenda and say we want to press all the candidates from national to local to turn this country in the right direction of fair play and sustainable productivity. if he does that, he will be relatively independent. he won't be seen as a toady following clinton if she wins. he has a lot of agonizing decisions to make but he has a and very of support high in the polls. host: are you giving him advice?

guest: i just wrote a column that says bernie sanders has gone a long way without other people's advice. he hasn't returned a call in 17 years. it is on the screen. we will show that column there and the new book that is coming out why ralph nader. we will talk about that, breaking through power. website, youtheir can find more details about the book and the events. let's go to baltimore -- go to new york. caller: it is a pleasure having a direct chat with mr. nader who has been my role model for life. his political activism -- my question for you is, don't you think that there is no document

as closely held to our heart as the constitution happens to be, that it is not sacrosanct. in other words, we have to have a constitutional convention, perhaps once every hundred years. trying to have an all-out process where the populace -- the constituents, 300 million would participate and then do a referendum, trying to have the documents revised to reflect the realities of the day rather than allowing it to be exploited by the establishment where the majority will be left on the fringes. host: the constitution is out of date in some respects. for example, the words corporation and company don't even appear in the constitution.

the words political parties don't even appear in the constitution. why allow it to rule us? good question. fundamental documents need renewal and expansion. the problem is, do you want to risk a convention in which you may lose some of the bill of rights and it may be retrograde. the is why we are having largest assembly of accomplished advocacy groups covering more areas of concern and reforming our country at constitution hall. why are we having this? why do we have so many accomplished civil leaders. because the election process is almost removed from the civil community. everyn groups that work day, neighborhood, community, nation, they are never asked to participate. they are excluded. they put out reports that affect the candidates.

they are ignored. 1300 people were arrested corruptionprotesting of money, hardly got any attention. this is very dangerous for society to basically have a commercialized election that is removed from the civil community. why we want people to come to constitution hall. these are groups that are pushing safe food. doesn't matter conservative or republican. they are pressing for safe pharmaceuticals. it doesn't matter what political ideology consumers have here. less pesticides? fairness in the judicial process? this business of left-right always like this, is a product of divide and rule powerbrokers. host: this is the breaking through power event.

guest: it is the greatest immersion. it is not for people with short attention spans or people with justice fatigue because it is eight hours a day, the greatest civics experience in anybody's life. if you want students to come, families to come, you will see how these groups actually overcame powerful interests in the democratic process and made life better for people. removed byhe is virtue of his knowledge and advocacy over 400 pharmaceuticals in the last 40 years that were either ineffective for their purposes or downright dangerous. he did it on a tiny budget. think lot easier to that's it's a lot easier than we think to make change at the basic change in a country comes through civic activities and it spills over into better

politics. if we don't have better politics, it is because not enough people are cynically active. >> have you invited senator sanders to speak? guest: we can't invite people speaking -- people running for elected office. i hope c-span will cover it. host: ralph in michigan, you are next. theer: i want to call about system -- the money and corruption in the political system. more like ag we are plutocracy dominated by the corporations and by the wealthy. especially with the citizens united decision that just opens the floodgates for money from the corporations to dominate

state, local, and federal positions. --ust don't see how money is it is going to be a huge flood of money into this election and it is going to control the congressional elections, even state elections. the most popular politician of according to the polls, bernie sanders, is on your side. he is saying we have got to get rid of big money, super pac's, billionaires trying to buy hasticians, and he demonstrated with millions of people giving him $27 average contributions. he doesn't go to park avenue or beverly hills for these fundraisers. this is a person running for a major presidential nomination. .hat ought to give you heart in our constitution hall gathering, we will have mark green talking about electoral reform. the american people agree on a

lot more than they disagree. civil liberties, they are against corporate welfare or crony capitalism, criminal justice reform, they don't like to be abused by corporate crime as consumers or workers. so what we need to do is demonstrate that this is got to have a powerful role during the election process. if you look at the sunday news shows, it is all politicians. some get on three or four shows in one day. where are the citizen groups? leadingy johnson is the tax reformists and he has brilliant insights. he can't get on the air because some small news network -- but

he cannot get on the air. he has had best-selling books, he is very accomplished. johnson.id cay he has taken on donald trump. you don't see that on the sunday shows. this is unfortunate because the public airwaves belong to the people. host: you can hear the citizens voice right here on washington journal. carmine in new york. republican. mr. nader, how does a corporation like general motors knowingly produce a car with the addition -- ignition switch defect and as a result, people are killed and more are injured, and no one goes to jail. addiction --s the

ignition switch defect. the answer is internal coverup. they covered up from reporting it to the proper offices inside gm. they covered it up and didn't report it to the auto safety. requirement legal -- you are right. they took their money from a fund that was made up of taxpayer money. there was no prosecution by the district attorney. part of the trump appeal is that people believe they have been on, sabotaged,p disrespected, and they are lashing out and they see somebody lashing out verbally like donald trump, who apart from his many inaccurate

statements and bigotry, they say he is the one. we have to have corporate crime enforcement. there is a corporate crime wave. you can read it in the wall street journal. people feel it everywhere around the country. prosecute is kept low by the corporate lobbyists on capitol hill. to go after money dangerous pharmaceuticals that andkilling people, air water pollution enforcing the drinking water act like a flint disaster, so it all comes down to citizens mobilizing. if 1% of the citizenry mobilizes in each congressional district, two and a half million people, and have public opinion behind them and set up full-time offices, they could change congress in a matter of months

or a year and a half or two years. that is what lincoln said. with public sentiment, you can do anything. "makingur mottos is change is easier than we think. let's not give up on ourselves. " airbag recall is set to double. host: this is an amazing coverup. look at the volume of car owners that are terrified. taking a wonderful safety feature and turning it into a potential explosive hazard. it is a lot of anxiety. this is a japanese company operating in the u.s., europe, and everywhere.

the question is, is it going to be criminal prosecution? not enough to even recall. the question is, how did the too company allow a supplier get millions of defective airbags past them. they are defective because they wanted to use a propellant. where was the quality control people at ford and general motors? story. a fascinating montana, bob is waiting there, independent. caller: mr. nader, i want to say what a big fan i am of you. i am a bernie sanders supporter. i will probably be on the internet giving him $27 today. my bernie sanders

water bottle with honor to work today. buggingg that has been me for years, i know a lot of democrats and friends of mine gore you caused -- cost the election in 2000. i like to argue with people that if you look who gore chose as a running mate, mr. lieberman, who was one of the biggest hawks after 9/11, do you think it really would have changed after 9/11 if gore and lieberman would have been in office? do you think we still would have went to war? guest: nobody knows but we do know that in 1998, both gore and ainton got through congress resolution to topple saddam hussein. george bush used that when he

was beating the drums for that criminal war of aggression that has taken over a million of iraqi lives. trillion. the $3 nobody can say. there was belligerent's. the 2000 election, george w. bush had a smaller military budget then gore was proposing. he was talking against nation building so it is very hard to predict. if people don't get involved in foreign and military paul,, barney frank, ron tried to do in the house of isresentatives, the economy going to be subordinated to the military-industrial complex. severe deprivation, crumbling infrastructure while we spend

trillions abroad making things worse. host: hector is up in san diego. democrat. caller: good morning. your particular call. i-- thank you for taking my call. it is a real honor speaking with you. pretty much, i hope and i --ieve that the democrats there is a chance that hillary will pick bernie sanders as her running mate. of the passion that the democratic party should have so can you speak to the possibility and what the chances ifld be if she does do that they win the election by a landslide? guest: i don't think hillary will do that. adon't know any nominee of

major party that will pick someone who is higher in the polls than she is and is trusted more than she is. most nominees just don't do that. my guess is bernie would not even want it. i do think he wants to go all over the world like joe biden and go on assignments like that. role in he sees his the senate leaving a mess movement. -- mass movement. host: john, you're on the air. caller: thank you c-span for this opportunity. mr. nader, i have called in again and am humbled at this opportunity to speak with you. mr. nader, have you heard of someone named fuego going around city to city and educating the

citizens at the most local of levels to take back and craft legislation at their local level interest the moneyed in their city and state? on the question of hillary and mynie, i did change registration for the primary just so i could vote for bernie.however , if hillary is the democratic nominee for the general election, i will hold my nose and vote for her in spite of the fact that hillary clinton has a ability to crafted say whatever she needs to say to whichever audience she is speaking. she is a very well practiced and

cunning linguist that can say whatever it takes. you: what john said there, look at it as simple as that of indiana, seven in 10 democrats who voted said they would be excited or at least optimistic about either a clinton or sanders presidency. trump they are afraid of so they tend to huddle together after a wild, but that is not where the action is. the powers that be are still in place in washington and wall street. they have their hopes into both -- hooks into both parties. the action will be the extent to which they mobilize back home. fracking in new york was a citizen movement. they beat the corporations. all over the country, you see that. it has to get more visibility.

it is a super bowl of civic on may 20 3:20 4, 25 and 26.-- 23, 24, iit is people learning how change occurs outside the political process. when i came to town, you could not find many politicians favoring consumer protection, much less our safety. they wereew months, passing the auto safety law unanimously. that is because they heard the rumble from the people. the facts got out. the press did a great job. we had congressional hearings. if we combine public opinion behind a sufficient amount of full-time civic advocacy, it is a different country. the politicians will follow. they will take orders.

the point, but the preamble of the constitution is we the people, not we the corporation, not we the congress. we the people. that is what constitutional hall is all about. rg.akingthroughpower.o host: that is based on a new book by mr. nader. brian is a republican from massachusetts. good morning. go-ahead, brian. caller: you said it right. thank you for the opportunity to address mr. nader. i am wondering whether mr. nader can comment on the recent passing of daniel berrigan and whether mr. nader ever met him or what he would think of the campaign. mr. berrigan was always

life and with th addressing these needs. thank you very much. host: let's move on to janet in indiana. guest: is a great american, daniel berrigan. host: janet, who did you vote for yesterday? caller: i voted for bernie sanders, and i will never vote for hillary clinton, by want to but i want to take a moment to thank ralph nader. i watched him on "washington and i wanted to thank him for starting me on my journey. guest: thank you. that is what "washington journal" is all about. host: rob in new york, a republican. caller: elected first say mr. nader that -- i would like to

, yout say mr. nader have had a real impact on my life. we met in 1992. i was enthralled with you and still am. you might recall it is rob arnold. donald trump has said some things that have been very frustrated to hear coming out of the mouth of a presidential candidate and front runner of the republican line, by don't see anything he has said as bigoted. i think it is easy to automatically brand someone that way.you referred to donald trump as bigoted , and i would like you to give an example of why you see him as such. guest: sure. he has repeated himself again and again. remember when you said that after 9/11 a lot of arabs on one side of the hudson river were shouting in the streets? that is completely false. he went after hispanics for example.

repeated statements about them. is attacks on certain refugee families. there are three syrian refugee families who have been vetted. they are trying to flee terror and rebuild their lives in south carolina, and he attacked them as if they are terrorists. this is anti-semitism against arabs. it is not just anti-semitism ews when they were excluded because people thought they were communist. he is a serial bigot. he comes back and says the hispanics love me. the women will love me. muslims will love me. i do business with them, but he wants to block the entry of all muslims here, and he said he would seriously consider closing down some mosques. he reverses himself and says the people that he degrades will all of him. host: let me ask you in a

general election matchup with hillary clinton versus donald trump, what will you do? guest: personally? i don't flag my vote, but i always vote my conscience. we have good third parties. obviously, i am favorably disposed to joel stein of the green party. if people vote their conscience collectively, they will change politics. if they vote for the least wars, they will never have any leverage. if you signal you will vote for the least, why should they give you any time, the potential nominees? people have to populate their vote. strategic or tactical vote or least worst or they can do a vote of conscience. i prefer the latter. white vote for somebody you don't believe in just because the other person is worse? host: in maryland who is a

democrat, you're on the air. caller: can you hear me? host: we can. caller: mr. nader, i have quality for a number of years and i respect where you're coming from. however, i want to know what you think about congress. the candidates can only do so much. someone like bernie sanders is 74 years of age and has no constituency. if he got the nomination as president, who does he turn to? the democrats? republicans will not follow him. where does he go? we have to go with what we have. hillary clinton is not me maybe the best candidate, but she is the best we have. thank you for your service. guest: remember, until we get rid of the electoral college, which i think is on the way out, there is a move for an interstate compact. maryland started it in new york and california are on board that they will give the electoral votes to anyone who wins the national popular vote.

they are already up to 165 and need to reach 270. as long as we have electoral college, there are 40 states that are either red or blue for democrat or republican, so you can vote your conscience in those states. you think the republicans are going to campaign in massachusetts? you think democrats will campaign in texas? if you're in one of those 40 states, you can have your cake and eat it too. you can vote for your conscious and the least worst are going to win because unfortunately we don't have competitive elections. we don't have a competitive democracy in all the states. bernie sanders has been pushing for that, by the way. he campaigns everywhere. it is not just campaign in blue states. host: jacksonville, florida, cynthia, independent. you are on the air with ralph nader. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. mr. nader, i am a big admirer of years.

i wanted to get your opinion on something that i have been trying to do, which is to start a petition which would begin a movement called take the pledge and mode out every incumbent. everyone, local, state, national. this would in effect get money out of politics because if every incumbent new they were going to get voted out at the next election, there would be no reason to try to run for reelection. un aroundbe an end ryu term limits. guest: that is a rejectionist point of view obviously. if you have an agenda attached to it, it will be rejection for a purpose of whatever changes you want in the country. some peopleing, will say there are good people in politics.

why do you have such a broadbrush? they are good but they are letting bad things happening. they tend to be passive. they let bush and cheney boulevard iraq. iraq.blow apart they let wall street people take over a set of challenging them an imposing standards against the bailouts. at least you are active, but always have a reason for uniform rejection. host: bill is next in maryland. a democrat. hi, joe. caller: thank you for c-span. the baderned that actors willing to go to war when not necessarily so deprived me of the luxury of focusing on a lot of the good things that ralph nader wants. like driving the conversation

in what i believe is the right direction and a good direction, priority isst alread keeping people who are ready to whose answer to our problems are expensive bloody answers out of the picture. guest: well, that is what made 25th -- may 25 is all about. high-level veterans and become scholars and advocates, and peace groups will come together. phil donahue is coming to show his documentary about a soldier in iraq who came back as a paraplegic. the point is all empires devour themselves. that is the lesson of history. we have to be very strong in terms of civic organization. that is what that day is all about. it is to mobilize people, to wage peace, and to stop the war mongers. you know what is interesting about the warmongers?

they want our country to go to war, but they don't want to go to war. a lot of them were draftdodgers during the vietnam war, and they liked the vietnam war and their buddies going over there. we have to be very strong about telling our members of congress and the white house that the first option is waging peace, preventing conflict. you look at our adversaries abroad, almost all of them were created by u.s. policy. 's group was provoked or funded to find the soviet union and then turned against us. saddam hussein was a u.s. ally. we propped him up and encouraged him to invade iran. a huge slaughter in that war. and then of course, we turned against him. amazing boomerang foreign policy because it is dictatorial ly controlled. we have to overcome it with

democratic resurgence. that is what the constitutional hall effort is. breakingee the various through power and how to do it. that is day one. breaking through congress is day four, may 26. breaking through war is day three, may 25. breaking through the press. there are a lot of voices out there that don't get on the evening news. host: final question for you here. what do you make of the debate that happens between hillary clinton and bernie sanders during this primary nominating process over who is a progressive and who is not? is hillary clinton a progressive? guest: by no means. one of the definitions of progressive is curbing corporate power, cracking down on corporate crime. when she was in the senate, she represented new york state and wall street. she did not hold the banner of justice up. she did not ask for hearings.

she did not ask for stronger corporal criminal laws. she is far from a progressive as any democrat could be. the other thing that is important to know is if bernie sanders had more debates, are think things may have changed but the democratic national committee was favoring hillary. they wanted to limit debate and put them at inopportune times against big sports events. in five months, he got very little coverage. there was an analysis of abc coverage of to the middle of december. they gave two minutes to bernie sanders and 80 minutes to donald trump. the media will have to be a little introspective as to why they did not have a higher estimate of their own abilities and why they did not stop the shouting and slithering of the republican primary. it is a very serious reason for the media to look back and say

what did we do? who did we not scrutinize? why did we give most attention to the nominees who were exiting false statements -- exu ing false statements and bigotry. they were making money off of these debates. they were setting up database. since when is a commercial corporation decide who is going to be debating? who is on tier one or two year tier two? they should be reporting. that is why i think we should get the civil society very much involved in campaigns. host: final call for you from texas, independent. are you there? caller: yes i am. host: it is your turn. caller: i am calling from houston, texas. host: you are only a. -- are on the air.

caller: we have voter fraud here in texas. it is not done by the little person. i have only seen one case of it as being an election clerk. now we have great big huge fraud based on the election of george w. bush. 800,000 votes thrown out of harris county. we have election fraud. it is always at the top. it is not at the bottom. why do i have to show up with ids? why do i have to show up and stand in huge long lines? guest: that is a good point. , western countries, the u.s. has -- among u.s. countries, the u.s. has more constricting laws for voting. what we have to do is ask ourselves why are we making it

so hard for people to vote and for candidates to get on the ballot to give them more voices and choices? that is what groups like senate for constitutional rights and the brennan center are working on. watch the software problems now. the software is owned by private companies. as researchers at johns hopkins have pointed out, it is easy in a close election to rig the software and flip it. we really have to look at this. internet has paper ballots. -- canada has paper ballots. they don't have machines. at night in this giant country, they know who won or lost because they had a paper trail. that i have machines which engage in shenanigans. ler made a very

important point. there is a strong argument for universal voting like australia. if you give the people t the right to vote no, or write in a candidate, i think our civil issues are resolved. vote, have ale stake in the system, the better the process will be. host: we want to thank you mr. nader for talking to our viewers this morning. if you want to learn what mr. nader is up to, you can go to breakingthroughpower.org. thank you. we appreciate it. guest: there are scholarships also. host: he thinks bernie sanders should stay in this race until the convention. we will ask bernie sanders supporters only next, democrats and independents, what do you

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from her democratic governor of alabama george wallace. for the completely weekend schedule, go to c-span.org. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we are back. bernie sanders supporters only here for the remainder of today's "washington journal." should he stay in this race until the convention? we divided the lines by democrats and independents. the news interview out of floyd county, indiana, says it was a sanders surprise yesterday. he won the hoosier state with about 52.5% to hillary clinton's 47.5%. however, as we have been saying and many are saying, the math does not add up for the vermont independent senator. you can see where he stands right now with the blessed delegates and the superdelegates. he is trying to convince

superdelegates to come his way, but bernie sanders supporters only this morning. should he stay in it despite the math? host: eddie, you are a first. good morning, eddie. what do you think? caller: good morning. i like bernie sanders because what he is running for and all the followers of his agree with him. and more and more people are going to. i would like for anyone who address as president to the american people that no one is above the law, including our president. are you going to answer the question? what do you think? should he stay in until the convention? caller: yes, so that the american people who have to follow the law can vote on the laws that they have to follow and have enforced, including the for breaking the laws

that they voted into law. america because the powerful laws to the people and we have a right to vote. our vote should not be limited to just two represents us, to put ideas on the floor of our house, and we the people not be able to vote on the issues. house.t the floor of our host: we are talking to democrats supporting sanders an independents supporting sanders. should he keep going along in the primary nominating process and take this to the convention? caller: yes, i think bernie sanders should stay in until the last state that is in the primary because other than that, he will hurt the democratic nominee, which would be hillary, and we are trying to win.

if everybody votes their conscience, we will have another -- 2000,er 2008 years and eight years of disastrous policies. we don't want that. we want an agenda that will help america. the only way we can do that is not to vote your conscience. you have to vote who can win. we know that bernie sanders unfortunately cannot win, so he has to come out after the last state. host: joanne, what role do you think he should play? caller: i think what he can do is keep the people excited about what it is his platform has been as far as equal pay. and the other things he has talked about, both are positive. in the rate will certainly have to come on board with him to meet some of those things that

bernie supporters are so passionate about. but if the people decide i will not vote for hillary, i will not vote at all, or stay out, then they are handing the election to donald trump. that is not what we want. host: take a look at the primary calendar. you said he should stay in it until the last contest. this is what it is looking like for the states that will be voting next for the democrats. it goes all the way until june 7. that is the last. is, june 7 in california last for democrats. in us here next from ted rhode island. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i want to thank the c-span staff. i am a burning supporter. i have been for a long time.

i wish you and for president years ago. presidenthe ran for years ago. grapevine, i do not know if it is fact or not, but hillary is focusing her campaign on the general election now. rather than the primaries. it reminds me of the tortoise and the hare, the hare got off to a fast start and took us news and the tortoise -- and took a snooze, and the tortoise when by -- he may beugh able to muster up enough delegates to capture it if hillary takes for i off the primary states. that is my hope. we will see what happens at the convention. turningllary clinton

her attention to the general election, she tweeted this last night, donald trump is the presumptive gop nominee, chip in if you agree we can't let him become president. trying to get donation off of the win for donald trump which took ted cruz out of the race, he suspended his campaign. not just hillary clinton, the republican national committee chairman said that donald trump is the nominee -- presumptive nominee and the party needed to unite the id.. -- unite behind him. elizabeth warren tweeted out, i will fight my heart out to make toxichat donald trump's spew of hatred and insecurity never reaches the white house. what is your reaction? caller: they can focus on the general but if bernie sanders

stays the course, he has a good message. the synonym for corporate democrat is republican in my opinion. like mr. nader said, she is not a progressive, i am supporting bernie because he is a true progressive. host: are you satisfied if she is the nominee over donald trump ? caller: i have been wrestling with this. do i vote for hillary? possibly, the other possibility is to support the green party nominee. it gets down to the supreme court nominee. that is really important. i may vote for hillary for that. host: the republicans might say the same thing for voting for donald trump. let's listening -- listen to bernie sanders, this was before

the indiana results were announced where he had another win. he had this to say about donald trump. sen. sanders: i know that all over this country, there is a fear that donald trump will be elected president of the united states. you that -- iudge am here to tell you that that will not happen. [applause] sanders: it will not happen because in every national poll i have seen for a long time, we beat tropical by double digits -- we beat trump by double digits. [applause] >> bernie! bernie! sanders: it is not only the polls, they go up and down.

it is also the fact that the american people will not elect a candidate who insults every group that you can think of virtually every day. [applause] sanders: we are not going to be elected president that insults mexicans and latinos. who insults muslims. who insults veterans. who insults women. who insults african-americans. understandn people that our strength is in our diversity. [applause] sanders: they understand that when we come together as one people, black and white and latino and asian americans, and

native americans, gay and straight, whatever we may be. [applause] stronger.rs: we are the american people understand that coming together always tru mps dividing us up. host: the argument from bernie sanders is the same argument he is making to superdelegates, according to the washington times. trying to persuade them to change their minds at the party convention in july, saying he has a better shot at beating donald trump then mrs. clinton, the polls show him faring better against the billionaire businessman than his opponent. some reaction from our viewers, ernie gives hillary a deponent that an opponent to debate. he should supporter. yes, bernie should stay in because it could expose the fraud of the superdelegate

system. yes, bernie should stay in because -- and until the convention. i am a hillary supporter. greta, please define bernie supporter first, it is someone who will be voting for the democratic nominee in november, whoever it is. nancy, a democrat, how did you sanders because you we are only talking to you. voted for him, the best thing that has ever happened to america. a very honest man. he wants to help the american people. he wants to change our corrupt government. which has been that way for quite some time. and, i just hope that all the

other states go for bernie. and he has some say in the conventions. host: carol in florida, a democrat, good morning. caller: i have so many thoughts in my head that i do not know if i can get them out. host: go for it. caller: i support bernie sanders all the way. i think the democratic party needs to unite behind him. supportersinton support him. he is an honest man, like the lady said. i have been voting for years and years and years, and i have never felt this way about any candidate, i have always voted for the least damaging. him i believe in. i have sent money to him and i am on social security, and i do not do that for nobody. please let bernie sanders go all

the way and have an open convention. host: if that does not happen and hillary clinton is the nominee, will you still vote for her? caller: i will probably have a heart attack. host: why do you say that? caller: i do not want to vote for her, i think she is greeted. -- crooked. i would not vote for trump. i am 83, give me this one election. host: did you stay home and not vote at all? caller: i really want bernie, i do not know what i would do. he wants the revolution to get rid -- to change the congress and get rid of citizens united. he will work toward in that. -- he will work toward that. host: we are talking to citizens

united, the founder will be on the show. usa today editorial board, what they had to say, after indiana, defining choices loom and a right that clinton should embrace some of the sanders ideas and jettison others. his she should advocate for greater income inequality through a fair tax code and the elimination of a special tax ates for money managers and renewed push for a reasonable increase in the minimum wage. she should promote better health care access and afford ability by allowing medicare to bargain with drug makers. she should steer clear of special interest politics masquerading as progressivism. whatever one might say of sanders anti-trade agenda, not the least bit progressive. the protectionism that he preaches would harm those who need help most by forcing them to pay more for their everyday goods. it would punish companies large and small that are continuing on exports to grow their payrolls. disagreed.ers

he won that state. six in 10 voters said trade costs jobs in the united states. they were voting for bernie sanders. let's go to monica in michigan, independent caller. good morning. caller: good morning, greta. how are you? host: doing well. caller: i am a bernie sanders supporter all the way to the convention and beyond. host: how do you think this will play out, you see the delegate map? caller: i see the delegate map. i am hoping for a miracle to be honest. there is no way i can vote for hillary clinton. she stands for so many of the things i am against. it is a matter of conscience, i cannot vote for. host: do you stay home or vote for donald trump? caller: neither, i write in the

bernie sanders or vote for the green party. i cannot vote for hillary clinton. she is corporate. she does not believe in single-payer health care. she will not do anything to get the money out of politics. all the things that are important to me. she is either lukewarm on or against. i do not trust her. i would rather vote for somebody i believe in. i am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. host: richard in michigan, democrat. caller: hello. am i on the air? host: you are. caller: cool. i am voting for bernie sanders all the way. concerned,illary is i have been voting democrat my whole life, if hillary is the whatee, if i do not see she has in the wall street papers, i will not vote for her.

it concerns me there is something in the. the republicans know what is and then speeches and they will bring it out. that scares me. show youshe does not what was in those speeches, what would you do? caller: i do not know. i am a freight of my social security, wall street has been after social security forever -- i am afraid of my social security, wall street has been after social security forever. host: what if bernie sanders ask you to support her? caller: it would be tough, we need a revolution. whether it is trump or bernie sanders, i do not know. host: you would consider voting for donald trump? as the i would as long congress is taken over by democrats. host: strategy there. not another racist

congress. host: you will have to watch a lot of polls on election day to figure out how to vote. caller: i sure am, i am retired and watch it all the time. it is scary. host: the republican establishment picked up a win in indiana senate primary race, todd young beat his republican rival marlin stutzman in that primary race. republicans hoping to keep that -- in their column. dan coats has a no. -- has it now. an independent, zachary, good morning. caller: good morning. host: what do you think -- bernie sanders take it all the way or get out? caller: he should take it all the way. i do not think there is a chance

he could win but he has an important responsibility. he has voiced thoughts a lot of -- that a lot of people have. [indiscernible] should he -- he is back on his criticism of hillary clinton and her record. back on his criticism of bill clinton and a record? caller: i think she has problems. i have criticized her. it depends on how you go about it. no one wants trump.

both of them are cognizant of that. host: even though it could damage her and gives fodder for donald trump? i do not see any chance of trump being president ever. support but so make people are against them. such a broad range. nation people across the -- do not think he is a chance. i think hillary will be president in 2016, i'm not sure

about 2020. the california race is up in the air. i am looking for a piece we read earlier about a general election matchup between hillary clinton and donald trump, how she will pick him back. -- hit him back. republicans have been reluctant to do that because they did not want to alienate his supporters but she will. he is about to walk into a $1 billion bus solve, -- buzz solve. and a persistent trump critics of that and some of the fodder will be coming from trunk -- trump's own party.

host: rhonda in south carolina, a democrat. caller: i support bernie sanders all the way to the convention. on to the floor. partyd like to see our unite with bernie. create thehat will political revolution we need in this country. i think democrats will still turn out to vote in an election. i do not see a downside to that . he is very electable against donald trump. host: if he is not the nominee, what do you do? stays: i think that he through the convention. because he has changed the dynamic of the conversation. throughout this campaign season.

his perspectives and forcing hillary to talk about the things she has been having to talk about, it makes her have to change. like the other caller suggested, she will have to move a lot into bernie's camp in order to capture her voters. he has the potential to have an effect on our political system. left to minutes continue the conversation with bernie sanders supporters, if you are a democrat supporting the vermont senator, dial in on your line, it independents as well. , howdependent in virginia far should bernie sanders take this? caller: thank you for taking my call, my first time to be on the air with c-span but i would love

-- usually i do not watch what i hear the radio and love it. thank you for taking my call. i would love to see mr. bernie sanders all the way to the end of the convention and would like to see him become the next president. i have respect for him, he has good things to do and good policies. he is honest. domestic and nationwide. also international. he is the one that, especially this time that the united states needs. balance overseas with our allies went all those other countries, for example, united kingdom.

they made comments which may a lot of questions about their parliament. i think bernie sanders is the one who can lead and make the united states great. host: another independent, lexington, kentucky, you are up. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call, i cannot believe i got through. i love c-span and have not watched in a while. since lived in the u.s. 1979, came as a student and state legally. this is the first time i have been so excited about the election. i want bernie sanders tuesday all the way to the convention in i will support him to be convention. i have tons of reasons, i could go on and on. i am a position. i had to stop er because i

cannot do it forever. forve seen what happens underinsured patients. patients that have no insurance. that is the core of my concern in this country. the other one is student loans, what attracted me to bernie sanders. i have a son who is a dentist. host: do you think that hillary clinton should make bernie sanders -- offer him her running mate slot or be part of the cabinet? caller: i think hillary clinton should run along with the superdelegates behind bernie sanders. it is ridiculous, how can she gets --maybe, he only it does not make sense that they clintonpport hillary

way before bernie sanders was even running. host: there is the mass, 520 superdelegates for hillary clinton and 39 for bernie sanders. massachusetts, democrat. caller: thank you. i am for bernie all the way and judging from the calls, democrats and independents, much mores independent voters than hillary clinton. hillary and donald trump, they have so many negatives, she is in the mid-50's and he is in the 70's. a lot of people will not be enthusiastic about voting for either one and i want to see bernie go all the way and get the nomination and the delegates should think twice before they nominate hillary. i would like to see a bernie sanders, my senator from massachusetts, on the ticket with him. they would turn the democratic party from the corporate party that it has been since bill

clinton got in, tied to wall street and big business, and that would be incredible, that would be the revolution. host: independents did show up for bernie sanders in indiana yesterday. this is our broke down, three quarters of black voters supported clinton but they were far outnumbered by white voters, nearly six in 10 supported bernie sanders. two thirds of white voters without a college degree supported bernie sanders, a majority of self-described democrats supported hillary clinton but seven in 10 self-described independents supported bernie sanders, six in 10 of those said they were very liberal supported bernie sanders what clinton supported by moderates. nearly half think he will win the nomination, nearly all of clinton voters think she will. voters considered sanders more inspirational and honest while they see clinton as more realistic. and a likable.

-- electable. roger, an independent. what do you think? caller: i am a disabled veteran. it is tough for me to get out and vote. i have always been an independent. vote,a, if you want to you have to register as a democrat in order to vote for someone like bernie sanders. then go back and change your party affiliation back to independent. disabled, that is a lot of work. i can barely make it out of the house. i do think bernie should run until the end. i think he should use his remaining time in cleaning out, not so much attacking hillary, but attacking our system and how it is set up with the delegates.

and the electoral college. even donald trump saw how crooked our system is with the delegates. if you were to point -- then his remaining time pointing out how crooked this system is, it should be one person, one vote. the electoral college needs to be done away with. host: let me bring in this article from the washington post, charles koch hates the tone of the gop race but do not expect him to back clinton here offices,erview in the the billionaire businessman and political donor said at first he could not see a chance he would support clinton in this fall. despite his concerns about donald trump. he amended his remarks and said there is a chance he could support clinton. highly remote. last month he told abc news that it was possible that clinton

could be a better president than the gop nominee, a statement that raised eyebrows on the left and right. he clarified on tuesday, what i am trying to say, i am not for republicans or democrats, i could not care less about what the party label is. i agree with george washington's concern about parties, they become an end in themselves whether than helping people improve their lives. if hillary had policies that would more likely make peoples lives better than republicans, i would be for hillary, i am for whoever will do that, i could not care less. independent, hi. caller: and that is what i'm talking about. as campaign donations go, it should not be -- we can have foreigners come in and get to our political nominees.

-- i seething wrong nothing wrong with people donating to campaigns financing but when they do it should be put into a slush fund and not one individual. and each of the people running for office should have to each given an equal amount. host: that me show this to you and the rest of the viewers from the washington times this morning related to what you are talking about. on tuesday, the sanders campaign manager told supporters that the clinton campaign is skirting campaign-finance laws and misleading democratic donors by holding joint fundraisers with other democratic party organizations. the system donors to funnel hundreds of thousands of dollars into the hillary victory fund which is supposed to benefit the clinton campaign and state democratic parties.

the political investigation found that about 99% of the $61 million raised by the hillary victory fund has been used on the clinton campaign. the sanders campaign capitalized by circulating a petition calling on mrs. clinton to return millions of dollars to the state party organization. tim in new jersey, a democrat. caller: good morning. host: what do you think? caller: i think bernie should stay through the convention because nobody seems to mention that the more delegates he gets, the more influence he has on the platform for november. and the more influence he has, the less chance hillary will go back to the right. also, if there is one thing that will unite the republican party,

it will be a clinton. on the ticket. this last point, and i will let you go and i thank you for your before you goill off the air today, either play or read fdr's second bill of rights, you will see why bernie is the choice of the people. ok? host: i do not think we have time, we have 45 seconds left. i will try to get in carol in california come independent. what do you think about bernie sanders'campaign? caller: it is wonderful, good to have a candidate i am not ashamed of. host: that means i can get them barbara in california, it independent. caller: i am following everybody

else, bernie or nobody. i would not vote for hillary under any circumstance. dot: what are you going to if it is donald trump versus hillary clinton? caller: i hope everybody is paying attention to the candidates that are running and making the headway. we want a change. we want change in america. host: does that mean donald trump? caller: yes. he is change. host: ok. barbara, she is supporting bernie sanders but may support donald trump in the general good president obama is traveling to flint, michigan about the water contamination crisis, he will deliver remarks at the northwestern high school