else, bernie or nobody. i would not vote for hillary under any circumstance. dot: what are you going to if it is donald trump versus hillary clinton? caller: i hope everybody is paying attention to the candidates that are running and making the headway. we want a change. we want change in america. host: does that mean donald trump? caller: yes. he is change. host: ok. barbara, she is supporting bernie sanders but may support donald trump in the general good president obama is traveling to flint, michigan about the water contamination crisis, he will deliver remarks at the northwestern high school and we will have those on c-span

live today around 4:00 p.m. eastern. show youat, we will what donald trump had to say last night in new york after his win in indiana. ♪ >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the next president of the united states, mr. donald j. trump. >> ♪ you can start me up start me up you can start me up start me up, and never stop. i will be running hot. if you start me up if you start me up i never stop , never stop, never

stop you make a grown man cry you make a grown man cry you make a grown man cry ♪ [applause] mr. trump: well, thank you very much, everyone. i want to start by, as always, thanking my family. my wife, my kids. they are not kids anymore. they are still kids as far as i am concerned. i want to thank my parents who are looking down and my brother looking down. i want to thank my entire family. it has been an unbelievable day, evening, and year. never have been through anything like this but it is a beautiful

thing to watch and behold. we are going to make america great again. [applause] so important, so important that the people of indiana have been incredible. i started, as you know, not very long ago, six weeks ago. i was told i had a 20-point deficit. went there and worked very hard, i campaign, made lots of beaches -- speeches and met lots of incredible people. congrats got bigger and bigger -- the crowds got bigger and bigger and towards the end it was like i did not want to leave. i almost said, maybe i will just never leave. and it resonated somehow and we had a tremendous victory. i have to thank bobby knight.

bobby knight was incredible. he was great. [applause] mr. trump: i always tell you about people like that, tough, smart, they know how to win. that is what our country needs. we have to know how to win. we have been losing all the time. we lose with our military, we cannot beat isis, we lose with trade, we lose with borders. we're not going to lose anymore. we're going to start winning again, and we're going to win big league. [applause] trump: so, when i got back tonight and i began watching all the different networks, it looks as like a massive victory. it looks like we want all 57 delegates. [applause] and, i must say, in

staying in various places in indiana we had -- i turned on the television and all i saw was negative ads. negative one after another after another. i called my people and i said, how can we win? it is this constantly. same as florida. 60,000 negative ads. i got it right for you folks, ok? 60,000. in fact, two weeks ago it was 55,000, now it is 60,000 negative ads, most of which are absolutely false and disgusting. and i said, how can anybody endure this? i had one evening two nights ago where literally they had five ads on in between segments of a show i was watching. and i said, that is incredible. the people are so smart. they do not buy it. they get it.

[applause] mr. trump: and, tremendous amounts of money were spent. millions and millions of dollars. they think probably $8 million was spent against me. and we spent $900,000. to me, that is the way it is supposed to be. [applause] mr. trump: that makes me feel really very, very good. now we are going to nebraska. i hear we are doing wonderfully. i look forward to that very much. and west virginia and we are going to get those miners back to work. i tell you what. we are going to get those miners back to work. [applause] mr. trump: we are going to beat hillary clinton. i watched her three or four weeks ago when she was talking about the minors as if it were just numbers. she was talking about she wants the mines closed and she will never let them work again.

let me tell you, the miners in west virginia and pennsylvania, which was great to me last week, , they areall over going to start working get. going to bed -- proud again to the minors -- to be miners. we will be going there. this tremendous run we had started in new york with this. 62% with two people is a massive landslide. but 63%, just a little over 62, when you have that kind of a number with three people, it is actually a unheard of. and all throughout it was 17 people, then 15 then 12, it was tremendous. we were getting very high numbers and some of the numbers

in my opinion, in a state with 32% but there were 14 people, i think that might be actually more and better than getting 62% in new york but we never got credit for that. but now we do not need the credit because we are going after hillary clinton. she will not -- [applause] trump: she will not be a great president. she will not be a good president. she will be a poor president. she does not understand trade. her husband signed, perhaps in the history of the world, the single worst trade deal ever done. it is called nafta. and i was witness to the carnage over the last six weeks especially. now, i have known syracuse, i have known poughkeepsie and

the places i visited in new york and pennsylvania and maryland, who were nice to me are our incredible. i have witnessed what hit has done firsthand and it has been carnage. we are going to change it around. we are not going to let carrier and all of these companies think they can move, go to another country, make their product and sell it back to us and we get only one thing. unemployment. not going to happen, folks. not going to happen anymore. [applause] trump: we are going to bring back our jobs and we are going to keep our jobs. we're are not going to let companies leave. if they want to go to another state, good luck. compete. but when they start going to other countries, and in many cases countries that he valued their value -- devalue currency and make it impossible for our country to compete, that

is not going to happen. not going to happen. and if they want to do it anyway there will be consequences. very, very serious consequences. [applause] trump: i have to tell you i have competed all my life. a competitive person. all of my life i've been in competitions. different competitions. sports, business, and now for 10 months politics. and i have to tell you that i have met some of the most incredible competitors that i have ever competed against right here on the republican party. we started off with a 17 number. and just so you understand, ted cruz, i don't know if he likes he does not like me but he is one hell of a competitor. he is a tough, it smart man. [applause] mr. trump: and he has got an

amazing future. he has got an amazing future and i want to congratulate ted. i know how tough it is. it is tough. it is tough. i had moments when it was not looking so good and it's not a great feeling, so i understand how ted feels and heidi. whole, beautiful family. i want to say he was one tough competitor and i can say that for the others. [applause] trump: chris christie, who endorsed me. incredible guy. dr. ben carson, who is right up there. one of the first. he just called me and said, it is a movement you have got going. we have got to do something because i tell you what, it is an incredible movement and dr. ben carson endorsed me and i tell you what, he is an incredible man. and we want to keep him totally

involved because we are going to win. we're going to win in november. [applause] mr. trump: and we are going to win big. it's going to be america first. i made his speech the other day talking about how we are the world and we protect other countries and they do not respect us and take of us. they do not treat us right in many cases. that will not happen. we're going to keep things going very closely. owe $21 trillion. 19 million now, but with the budget recently passed, it will be $21 trillion. we are not in the position we were in 30 years ago, 40 years ago, 50 years ago, when a lot of these things began taking place. we are going to have unbelievably good relationships with other countries. but likewise, they have to treat us fairly and understand what we have been doing over the years

has been so wrong and so unfair to the united states and to its people, and to its taxpayers. that will change. and i will tell you, they are going to end up liking us better than they do right now. they are going to respect us. in this building, right upstairs. [applause] mr. trump: in this building right upstairs, i have the largest bank in the world from china. the relationship is fantastic. we have great relationships with many foreign countries. but they have to respect us and understand where we are coming from. and you know, it is a two-way street. the two-way street means we are going down one side and they are coming up the other. we are going to meet and we are going to have something that is going to be fabulous. now, if that can't happen, if for some reason they want the system to continue the way it is going now, which is unfair and

not good, where we are spending trillions and trillions of dollars in the middle east, and we have to rebuild our infrastructure, our roads, our bridges, our airports and hospitals, we have become close to a third world country. you look at some of the airports, it is third world. then you go to other places and you see places like you have never seen. so i have to tell you that we are going to turn it around, build up our military bigger, better, stronger than ever before. it's the cheapest thing we can do. and we are going to have to take out isis and we are going to have to take them out fast. we can't allow that cancer to continue. we cannot allow it. [applause] trump: you know the one group has been so incredible to me. the veterans. they have been treated so badly. [applause] mr. trump: so badly.

we are going to get that straightened out. now, one of the things that just happened, which is very exciting, the rasmussen poll came out yesterday. and in that poll, i am now leading hillary clinton. [applause] trump! trump! that is going to continue. they are not going to be able to do it. they are not going to be able to make great trade deals. they are not going to be able to do what we are going to do with the military and the border, including the wall. we are going to have unbelievably great relationships with the hispanics, who have been so incredible to me. they want jobs. everybody wants jobs. the african-americans want jobs. you look at what is going on. they want jobs.

[applause] mr. trump: and we are going to bring back our jobs and save our jobs. people are going to have great jobs again. this country, which is very divided in so many different ways, is going to become one beautiful, loving country. we are going to love each other, cherish each other, take care of each other, and we are going to have great economic development. we are not going to let other countries take it away from us. that is what has been happening for far too many years. we are not going to do it anymore. we are not going to do it anymore. [applause] mr. trump: i want to thank and congratulate the republican national committee, and reince priebus. who i just spoke to. he is doing a tremendous job. it is not an easy job. when he had 17 egos. now, i guess he is down to one. is there a second? [applause]

mr. trump: i will have to ask you folks to explain the status of that, but he has done an amazing job. we're going to see something really fantastic. i want to thank my staff, paul, corey, hope. i mean, these people. what we have been doing is incredible. [applause] mr. trump: the work, the work has been unreal. and jared. married to my daughter ivanka. he is a very successful real estate person, but i think he likes politics. more than real estate. i am excited. he is good at politics. i did not expect this. and what ted cruz did was a

brave thing to do. and a great thing to do. because we want to bring unity to the republican party. we have to bring unity. it is so much easier if we have that. and many, many people are calling. that you would not believe. the media and press would not believe. people who have said the worst things about me. i have never had things said about me like this. in my businesses, i have been very respected. people did not talk to me this way. in politics, it is easy. the worst things. they are calling us and they are saying, we would love to get on the trump train. the trump train, they call it. but we would love to get on the train. [applause] mr. trump: and i actually spoke to one today and -- who was vicious -- i mean, this guy was unbelievable. and i said, i love having you and, you know, i think it is

terrific that after what you said about me, how can you possibly join my team? and he said, mr. trump don't even think about. do not worry about. there is no problem. in other words, he is a politician, there is no problem. i would have had a hard time. we have a lot of people coming. i have to thank senator jeff sessions. one of the most respected man or people in congress. and so many others. sarah palin has been incredible from day one. jerry falwell, junior, liberty university. he is something. he is really a special person. they have done an incredible job. everybody goes through liberty. we all go through liberty. somehow he like what i was saying and the way i said it. but he is a special guy and has

really helped me. so many pastors and ministers. tonight i see i want with the evangelicals. the evangelical vote was for trump. there is no greater honor. just no greater honor. we are going to work together for many, many years. we are going to make it so good. we're going to be saying "merry christmas" again. we are going to be saying it. and i won with women. i love women. i love winning with women. i won with women. i won with men. we won with hispanics. we won with african-americans. we won with virtually every category, so it has just been an amazing evening. so again, i want to congratulate ted cruz. he is a tough, smart competitor. i want to thank my wife and family. it is an incredible family.

[applause] mr. trump: i want to thank my staff. both my staff and my thousands and thousands of people that work for the trump organization. and, perhaps in all fairness, more importantly on this evening and for what we are doing currently, my staff. remember this, our theme is very simple. it is "make america great again." we will make america great again. we will start winning again. you will be so proud of this country very, very soon. thank you very much. [music playing "start me up" by the rolling stones] ♪

♪ if you start me up i'll be running hot >> donald trump wrapping up his remarks after his primary victory in indiana last night. convincing ted cruz to drop out of the presidential race. sen. cruz: i have said i would continue on from the beginning as long as there was a viable path to victory. itight, i am sorry to say appears that path has been

foreclosed. >> no! cruz: together we left it all on the field in indiana. we gave it everything we've got. the voters chose another path. heart, buth a heavy with boundless optimism for the ,ong-term future of our nation we are suspending our campaign. >> no! cruz: i am not suspending our fight for liberty. [applause] cruz: i am not suspending our fight to defend the constitution. to defend the judeo-christian values that built america. continue and ill

give you my word that i will continue this fight with all of my strength and all of my ability. ted! love you, extraordinary are and we will continue to fight next week and next month and next year, and together we will continue as long as god grants us the strength to fight on. [applause] >> with the last night's primary victory in indiana, donald trump has 1047 delegates and ted cruz and john kasich trailing. that hillaryes clinton leads donald trump by 13 points nationally, according to a poll early today.

she leads donald trump 54% to poll and head orc of the donald trump victory in indiana. secretary clinton is better suited than mr. trump on many top issues such as terrorism, immigration, health care, and climate change, he leads mrs. clinton 50 present to 45% among voters who would do a better job of handling the economy. to read more about this, go to the hill.com. hillary clinton's opponent, bernie sanders, held a support -- an event in louisville kentucky, he discussed criminal justice reform, education affordability, combating the drug epidemic, and embracing -- raising the minimum wage. the kentucky primary is tuesday, may 17. ♪

>> bernie! bernie! sanders; louisville, thank you. ,n case you have not noticed there are a lot of people here .onight and i appreciate that this campaign began about one year ago. people weren, saying, bernie is a nice guy, he combs his hair beautifully. [laughter] sen. sanders: but he is a friend candidate. candidate. a lot has happened in the last

year. 17of today, we have now won primaries and caucuses. [applause] we have received some 9 million votes. [applause] when we started this campaign, we were 60 points behind secretary clinton in national polls. now, a few of the polls have us ahead or a few points -- [applause] sen. sanders: i will tell you what is extremely exciting for me. that is, in primary after , weary, caucus after caucus end up winning the vote of people 45 years of age or younger. [applause]

importantrs: that is because it tells me that the ideas we are fighting for are the ideas of the future of america. [applause] and the future of the democratic party. i am running for president because we live in the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, but most americans do not know that because the economy is rigged and almost all new income and wealth goes to the top 1%. [applause] the issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral

issue of our time. it is the great economic issue of our time. it is the great political issue of our time. together, we will address that issue. [applause] let us be very topr, in america today, the 1/10 of 1% now owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90%. [boos] sen. sanders: the top 20 people in this country in wealth now own more wealth than the bottom 150 million americans, half of our population. [boos] sen. sanders: we had the walton family of walmart --

[boos] sen. sanders: they are worth $149 billion, more wealth than the bottom 40% of the american and when you talk about a rigged economy, that is exactly what walmart and the walton family are all about. they pay their workers wages that are so low that the american taxpayer has to pay for the food stamps and the medicaid -- [someone shouts, indiscernible] [cheering] >> bernie! bernie! senator sanders: the american taxpayer is paying for the food stamps and medicaid that many walmart employees need because

their wages are too low. it is a little bit nuts to my mind when the middle class of this country has to subsidize the employees of the wealthiest family in this country. but it is not just wealth. it is not just wealth, it is income. in america today we have millions of people working longer hours for lower wages. we have families today where mom is working 40 hours, dad's working 40 hours, the kids are working and they are still not earning enough money to provide for their family. and that is why together we are going to create an economy that works for all of us, not just the 1%.

[cheering] senator sanders: together, we are going to end this absurdity of having a national minimum wage of $7.25 an hour. together, we are going to create a minimum wage which is a living wage, 15 bucks an hour. it is not a radical idea to say that in america, in kentucky, in vermont, if you work 40 hours a week you should not be living in poverty. and when we talk about equitable

wages, we are going to end the embarrassment of women making 79 cents on the dollar compared to men. i know that every man here is going to stand with the women in the fight for pay equity. in america today, our infrastructure, that is our water systems -- i was in flint, michigan, couple months ago. and what i saw in flint was something that i will never forget. and that is children being poisoned by excessive lead in their water.

this should not be happening in this country in the year 2016. but it is not just flint. that has problems with its water. hundreds of communities have similar problems, but it's not just water. it is our roads and our bridges and our airports and our rail system and our levees and dams. this is america, our infrastructure should not be crumbling. and that is why together we are going to invest in rebuilding our infrastructure and when we do that, we're going to create 13 million decent paying jobs.

and when we talk about the needs of the american people, all of us understand that we live in a competitive, global economy. and that means that we need the best educated workforce in the world. there is something a little bit crazy when young people go to college get the best education they can, and then they end up $30,000, $50,000, $70,000 in debt. anybody here with student debt? [cheering] well, in my view, we should be

encouraging people to get an education, not punishing people for getting that education. and that is why we are going to do two things. number one, in the world today, it is no longer good enough to talk about public education being first grade through 12th grade. truth is that a changing economy and changing technology requires people to get more education. 50 years ago, you had a high school degree, you are doing pretty well. you can go out, get a job, make it into the middle class. that is not the case today. today in my view, when we talk about public education, we must

be talking about making public colleges and universities tuition-free. [cheering] senator sanders: it is insane in my view that we have got hundreds of thousands of bright young people who are qualified to go to college but are unable to do so because their families lack the income. that is unfair to them, it is unfair to the future of this country. we don't know how many scientists and doctors or great business people cannot get the education they need. and second of all, second of all, it is absurd that we have millions of people in our country today that are being crushed by high-levels of student debt.

i have talked to people all over this country. doctor in vermont, $300,000 in debt. a dentist in iowa, $400,000 in debt. young man dropped out of college after two years in iowa, $60,000 in debt. a guy who's 55 years of age in nevada, he has been paying off a student debt for 25 years. he is more in debt today than he was when he took it out. that is nuts. it really is nuts. so, what we are going to do for those with have student debt, we're going to allow them to refinance that debt at the lowest interest rate they can buy. now, what this means, which is pretty revolutionary, is that -- it says that kids in kentucky

and in vermont and west virginia, all over this country, it says to those kids in the fourth grade and the sixth grade that if you, study hard if you do well in school, yes, regardless of the income of your family, you will be able to get a college education. now, throughout this campaign, my critics and my opponent have been saying well, bernie, you are a nice guy. you want to give out free tuition at public colleges and universities. you want to substantially reduce student debt. how are you going to pay for it? well, i will tell you exactly how we will pay for it.

we are going to impose a tax on wall street speculation. [applause] 8 years ago, when wall street's greed and recklessness and illegal behavior brought this country into the worst economic decline since the great depression, congress against my vote bailed them out. [booing] well, in my view, now is the time for wall street to help the middle class of this country. [applause] this campaign is listening to senior citizens, disabled veterans, and people who have disabilities.

a great nation is not judged by the number of millionaires or nuclear weapons it has. a great nation is judged by how it treats the weakest and most vulnerable among us. today, in kentucky, and in vermont, and in states all over this country, you do not hear a lot about this but there are millions of seniors and disabled vets who are trying to get by on 10, 11, $12,000 a year, social security. and you know what? nobody can get by on $10,000, $11,000 a year social security. you cannot buy the medicine you

need, the food you need, pay the rent. you just can't do it. now, what the republicans say when they hear this, they say, we are going to cut social security benefits. [booing] we are not going to cut social security benefits. [applause] we in fact are going to expand social security benefits. [applause] let me for a moment talk about some of the differences that exist between secretary clinton and myself. and one of the differences is very important because it deals with how you raise the money you need for your campaign.

now, the truth is that in the year 2016 it costs hundreds of millions of dollars to run for president of the united states. and when we began this process, we had to make a very simple decision -- do we do what every other campaign for president is doing and establish a super pac? >> no! senator sanders: do we beg wall street and corporate america and the drug companies for campaign contributions? well, we agreed with you. and we concluded that we don't represent the billionaire class. we don't represent wall street and we do not represent corporate america. we don't want their money. and we're going to raise our

campaign funds in a different way. and then i never would've believed, to be honest with you, that this could have happened. but in the last year, we have received over 7.3 million individual contributions. 7.3 million. anyone know what the average contribution is? >> $27! senator sanders: i love that. i really love that. what is revolutionary about that is we have shown the world that we can run a winning, national campaign without being dependent on powerful and wealthy special interests.

secretary clinton has chosen to raise her funds in a different way. she has a number of super pacs. in the last filing period, her major super pac reported $25 million from special interests, including $15 million from wall street. in addition to that, as some of you may know, secretary clinton has given a number of speeches to wall street financial institutions for $225,000 a speech. now, $225,000, that is a lot of money. i kind of figure that if you give a speech for that kind of

money, it must be a brilliant, earth shattering speech. it must be a speech that will help us solve all our global problems. it must be a speech written in shakespearean prose. and therefore, i think a speech that extraordinary should be shared with all of the people. secretary clinton has said, well, she will release the transcripts when other people do the same. so, let me make here in louisville tonight, let me make a special announcement. and that announcement is -- i am prepared to release the transcripts of all of the speeches i have given on wall street. >> bernie, bernie, bernie, bernie!

senator sanders: all right, you ready? here it is. shh. you got it. did you get all of the transcripts? ok. no speeches, not for $225,00, not for $2.00, no speeches behind closed doors for wall street at all. but you know i got my cell phone on and i'm waiting for that call from wall street inviting me to give them a speech. and i am going to make it easy for wall street. i do not want $225,000. i do not want $25. i do not want anything, but i do want the opportunity to tell them face-to-face what their greed and illegal behavior has done to this country.

as a result of what they have done, as many of you know, millions of our fellow americans have lost their jobs. they have lost their homes. they have lost their life savings and wall street has got to understand that. and i want to tell you a brief story which kind of encapsulates everything that this campaign is about. a few weeks ago, goldman sachs, one of the major financial institutions -- [crowd boos] senator sanders: they reached a settlement with the federal government for $5 billion. and they reached that settlement because they have been selling

worthless packages of subprime mortgage loans. in other words, they were ripping people off and operating in a fraudulent manner. but to be fair to goldman sachs, they were not the only one. that is what it -- what every one of these damn banks was doing. now, here's the other thing to understand, when we talk about america today. and why it is too late for establishment politics and establishment economics. goldman sachs, the other major wall street banks, operated in a fraudulent manner. goldman sachs paid $5 billion in settlement. but that is not all. over the last 25 years, the political power of goldman sachs through the revolving door process meant that at least two top executives at goldman sachs went on to become secretaries of

the treasury. and many other executives assumed important positions in democratic and republican administrations. what the revolving door means is you work on wall street, you go into the government and you represent wall street and the government and then you go back to wall street. that is what the revolving doors are. thirdly, what goldman sachs has done over the years like other wall street financial institutions, they have made huge -- and i mean huge -- campaign contributions to politicians of all stripes. and here is the last thing we need to know about what is happening at goldman sachs, and. this really, really gets the american people angry today in kentucky or vermont,

some kid gets picked up with marijuana. and that kid will get a criminal record that will last his entire life. [booing] hang on there, we are going to deal with that one in a minute. but here is my point. if you are a kid with marijuana, you get a criminal record, which is no joke. you go out and try to get a job with a criminal record, it may not be so easy. but if you are an executive on wall street, if you are the 1%, if you are part of the most powerful institution in america, you can commit illegal acts which wreck the lives of millions of people and you know what happens to you? you get an increase in your compensation package.

[booing] well, you know what we're going to do together? we are going to bring justice back to the criminal justice system. [applause] and justice means that even if you're wealthy and powerful, and if you break the law, you have got to pay the price. [applause] let me talk about just a few other differences between secretary clinton and myself. all of you know that one of the very important things that a president of the united states does is deal with foreign policy and military policy.

the most important debate, the most important debate that we have had as a country in the modern history of the united states has been over the war in iraq. i listened in 2002, very closely, very closely to what president bush -- >> [indiscernible] senator sanders: i think we do not know. let's hold off. not for sure. but back to 2002. and here is the issue. all of us know that there are no more important issues than the issues of war and peace. i know that as a congressman and a senator. because when you vote for a war, you know that some of the young people in your state who you send off at deployment, you say

god bless you, best of luck, you know that some of those young men and women will not come home. and i listened very carefully to what bush and cheney and all the rest were saying about -- [booing] iraq and not only did i vote against that war, i helped lead the opposition to that war. [applause] it gives me no pleasure, i wish i could tell you otherwise, it gives me no pleasure to tell you that if you go to my website, listen to what i said on the floor of the house in 2002. and much of what i feared about the destabilization that would take place in the middle east turned out to be true. on the other hand, secretary clinton, then the senator from new york state, she heard the same evidence i heard, she voted for the war in iraq.

[booing] and while we are on issues of war and peace, let me say this. we all know that not only should isis, must isis be defeated, isis must be crushed. but we also know that this country and our brave men and women in the military should not be involved in perpetual warfare in the middle east. now, i have heard many of my colleagues, my republican colleagues especially, on the floor of the senate, they are really tough. they want to go to war here or there. but let me tell you something, it is not there kids who are going to go to war. it is the children of working families in this country.

so, we have got to understand that war and military force sometimes, of course, have got to be used but it is the last recourse, not the first recourse. there is another area where secretary clinton and i disagree. she wants to raise the minimum wage and that is good. she wants to raise it to 12 bucks an hour. not good enough. i am proud to have stood on the picket lines with fast food workers from mcdonald's and burger king and they understand that in this country we need a $15.00 an hour minimum wage. and i will stand with those workers in that fight.

this campaign is asking the american people to think outside of the box and outside of status quo thinking. this campaign is asking people why it is that there is only one major country on earth that does not guarantee health care to all people. now, i have been criticized for saying this, so let me say it again. and this is a big, big deal. in my view, health care is a

right of all people, not a privilege. and thinking outside of the box, ask us to think why it is that if you are wealthy in this country, you can get great health care, but if you are working class or poor, you may not have any health insurance at all or you're going to have very high deductibles and copayments. we lose thousands of people every year who do not have the money to go to the doctor when they should. in my view, when we understand that 29 million americans have no health insurance, even more

are underinsured, and when we are getting ripped off every single day by the drug companies who charge us for highest prices in the world for medicine. when we end up paying far more per capita for health care than do the people of any other major country, now is the time for us to go forward and have a medicare for all single-payer programs. i want to think for a moment and this is thinking outside of corporate -- it is thinking outside of the status quo. think what that means for america. it means that anybody in this country who gets sick goes to the doctor when they need to go. it means that if you get seriously ill or run up a big hospital bill, you are not going to go bankrupt. and this is what it also means,

which is pretty revolutionary. it means that right now in america, we help millions of people doing jobs that they really do not want to do but they're staying on those jobs because they may have a decent health insurance plan for their families. think what happens to america when we unleash the entrepreneurial spirit of this country. when millions can go out and start businesses and know they will have health insurance for themselves and their families. that is revolutionary. this campaign is listening to our brothers and sisters in the african-american community.

and they are crying out for reforms of a broken criminal justice system. i was a mayor for 8 years, and i worked very closely with my local police department and police departments all over this country. the vast majority of police officers are honest, hard-working and are doing a very, very difficult job. they deserve our support. but like any other public official, when a police officer breaks the law, that officer must be held accountable. we need major reforms of local police departments. we have got to start demilitarize and local police

departments. we have to make local police departments reflect the diversity of the communities they serve. we need as a nation to understand that lethal force, the killing of somebody, is the last response, not the first response. we need to end, and i have got legislation in to do this, private corporate ownership of prisons and detention centers. we need to re-think the so-called war on drugs. over the last 30 years, millions of people have received criminal records because of possession of marijuana.

today, today under the federal controlled substance act, marijuana is listed as a schedule i drug next to heroin. i have introduced legislation that will implement as president getting marijuana out of the federal controlled substance act. states, it is the decision of the people of the state to decide whether they want to legalize marijuana or not and more and more states are doing that but it should not be a federal crime. and when we talk about drugs, in my state and all over this country, we are facing an enormous crisis with opiate addiction and heroin addiction.

every day, people are dying from overdosing on those drugs. now in my view, if we are going to deal effectively with that crisis, what we have got to understand is substance abuse and addiction should be treated as a health issue not a criminal issue. and that means, that means that we need in this country a revolution in mental health treatment. right now in virtually every part of this country people who are suffering mental health crises, people that are suffering with addictions, people who are suicidal, people

who may be homicidal, they cannot get the treatment they need when they need it. and that has got to change. you know, we spent trillions of dollars on the war in iraq. we have spent billions rebuilding infrastructure in iraq and afghanistan. and yet, if you look at the inner cities of this country, what you see is outrageous levels of un employment and poverty, people who cannot find a form housing and you're seeing schools that are crumbling. if we can rebuild the infrastructure of afghanistan, we damn well can rebuild the inner cities in america.

this campaign is listening to our brothers and sisters in the latino community. there are 11 million undocumented people in this country, and i have -- i have talked to many of them. there's one right here. [cheering] >> feel the bern. feel the bernie! -- viva bernie! senator sanders: when you are undocumented, and when you have no legal protection, that means that when you go to work, you

are, can be exploited by your employer, because you have no legal rights to protect yourself. and that is happening all over this country, and i have talked to undocumented people who are scared to death that their families will be separated, somebody will be deported tomorrow. in my view, we need to move aggressively towards comprehensive immigration reform and a path toward citizenship. and if congress does not do its job in passing immigration reform, i will use the executive powers of the presidency to do all that i can. this campaign is listening to a group of people, a group of people whose pain is almost

never heard, and that is the native american community. all of you know, all of you know that from before this country became a country, when the settlers first came here, the native american people were lied to, cheated and treaties they had signs were broken. all of you also know that we owe a debt of gratitude to the native american people we can never repay. they have taught us so much. and one of the important lessons that they have taught us, which we must, must learn, is that as

human beings, we are part of nature. that as human beings, we must exist with nature, not destroy nature. and that takes us -- >> bernie, bernie, bernie! senator sanders: and that takes us to an issue not only of enormous importance for our country but of enormous importance for the entire planet. and that is as a member of the u.s. senate committee on the environment i have talked to scientists all over this country and all over the world. the debate is over.

climate change is real. climate change is caused by human activity. climate change is already causing devastating problems in this country and throughout the world. we have a moral responsibility as custodians of this planet to make certain that we leave this planet in a way that is healthy and habitable for our children and our grandchildren. that means we must stand up to the fossil fuel industry and tell them, and tell them their short-term profits are not more important than the future of this planet. now, i understand, i understand that as we transform our energy system away from fossil fuel to energy efficiency, to

sustainable energy is like wind, solar, geothermal and other technologies, there will be economic dislocation. and there will be innocent people, people who want nothing more than to provide for their families who will be hurt in that transition. and that is why in the legislation i have authored in the senate, the most comprehensive climate change legislation ever offered in the senate, that we provide $41 billion to help workers who might be dislocated. i know that all over this

country, there is a fear that donald trump will be elected president of the united states. i am here to tell you that won't happen. it won't happen, it won't happen because in every national poll that i have seen for a long time, we beat trump by double-digit numbers. >> bernie, bernie! senator sanders: but it is not only the polls.

polls go up and down. it is all the fact that the american people will not elect a candidate who insults every group you can think of virtually every day. we are not going to elect a president who insults mexicans and latinos. who insults muslims. who insults veterans. who insults women. who insults african-americans. the american people understand that our strength is in our diversity. they understand that when we come together as one people, black and white and latino and asian american and native american, gay and straight, whatever we may be --

we are stronger. and the american people understand that coming together always trumps dividing us up. and the american people also understand that what america is about and which makes us great is supporting each other. that when your family is in trouble, my family and our country are therefore you. -- there for you. when my family is in trouble, your family in this country are there for us. and the american people understand that supporting each other always trumps selfishness.

most importantly, i think the american people understand what every major religion on earth has taught us for centuries and that is that at the end of the day love always trumps hatred. >> bernie, bernie, bernie, bernie, bernie, bernie! senator sanders: history has taught us one very profound lesson. and that is real change never takes place from the top on down.

it always takes place from the bottom on up. whether it is the history of workers standing up and fighting for their rights and forming unions. whether it is the civil rights movement where millions of people came together and said we will end racism and bigotry in this country. whether it is the women's movement. people forget that less than 100 years ago, women in america did not have the right to vote, did not have the right to get the education or the jobs they wanted. but women came together and some of them went to jail.

some of them went to jail. some of them died in the struggle. but they and their male allies said that in america women will not be second-class citizens. if we were here 10 years ago, no time at all, and somebody jumped up and said, i think in the united states of america by the year 2015, gay marriage will be legal in every state in this country -- most people would not have believed that that would be possible, but what happened?

is over the decades the gay community and their straight allies stood up, fought back and said that in america, people should have the right to love whoever they want. that is the history of change. change is about people by the millions looking around them and saying, the status quo does not work. the status quo is wrong. we are going to change the status quo. and today, all over our country, coast to coast, people are looking and they are saying, you know what? this grotesque level of income

and wealth inequality is wrong. it is wrong that the middle class for 40 years has been in decline. it is wrong that people have to work two or three jobs to survive. it is wrong that young people are leaving school $50,000 in debt. it is wrong that women are making 79 cents on the dollar compared to men. it is wrong that we are the only major country on earth that does not guarantee paid family and medical leave. or that all of our people do not have health care as a right. and when people begin to look at those issues, they begin to challenge establishment thinking. and when people begin to look at these issues they say, you know what? this is the united states of america. we can do better.

what this campaign is about is telling you that no president, not bernie sanders or anybody else, can transform this country in the way we need change all by himself. cannot be done by one person because the powers that be on wall street and corporate america and the corporate media, and wealthy campaign contributors, these folks are so powerful that no one president can do it alone. what we need, and what this campaign is about is a political revolution. what that revolution means is that millions of people today are beginning to stand up and fight back and demand a government which represents all of us, not just a handful of billionaires. next week, there is going to be of very important primary here

in the beautiful state of kentucky. and what we have learned so far on the campaign is that if there are large voter turnouts, we win. let us make certain that for the kentucky democratic primary, we have the largest voter turnout in history. thank you all very much! [applause] >> [chanting "bernie"] >> bernie sanders campaigning

ahead of the may 17 kentucky caucuses. night's five point

victory in indiana, now has 1400 total delegates. he has been pushing for superdelegates who are uncommitted to support his candidacy. madam secretary. the next president of the united states. >> president obama is on his way to flint, michigan to meet with

local officials and residents about the water contamination crisis. he will deliver remarks at northwest high school starting at 4:00 p.m. eastern time. we will have live coverage. he is also taking part in a roundtable with the community. he will also receive a briefing on recovery efforts in the area. mr. egan, what prompted this visit? mr. egan: the flint water supply with lead is the main reason. what he said prompted his visit was a letter he received from an eight-year-old flint girl who wrote telling him about the problems with the drinking water. the president said he told the young girl that he wants her and other residents to know the federal government is going to

look after this problem. there is a lot of frustration in flint, and how quick and complete the response has been so far. host: who holds responsibility for a water issue in a state? is it primarily the state's role and not the federal government's role? mr. egan: this was a state issue, even the governor appointed a task force which put most of the responsibility on michigan department of environmental quality which handles drinking water's possibilities. it is even accentuated more in this case because in this case the city which has responsibility for drinking water was under the control of the state manager because flint was in such bad financial shape, the state had basically put the city in receivership and

basically in charge of the city in time of this contamination happening. host: who will the president be meeting with? mr. egan: he will be meeting with governor snyder. he will be meeting with the mayor of flint, karen weaver. he will be briefed by the state, local and federal officials to hold a meeting with flint residents and speak to about 1000 people at northwestern high school in flint. he will meet with the young girl that wrote in the letter. there is a three-year-old child who has become a part of the face of this crisis which was featured on the cover of time magazine in january. his name is sincere smith. him and his mother have been invited to the high school. host: c-span will be covering the president's visit live at 3:55 p.m. eastern time for our viewers who want to listen to

what he has to say. what is the president hoping to accomplish? mr. egan: it is not clear in terms of immediate action. it is a symbolic visit to show that the president cares. he is putting pressure on congress. there is bills before congress that would provide over $200 million nationwide to address infrastructure problems. about $100 million could go to the city of flint to replace lead service lines. he is behind that legislation which democratic and republican members of congress from michigan are backing. he would like to get that through. paul egan, thank you,

sir. >> the president is scheduled to arrive in flint in just under 30 minutes. michigan center debbie stabenow released a statement that says, i'm pleased the president has made a commitment to the families of flint. he has worked closely with me and the delegation to bring relief to families who continue to be affected by the water crisis. i helped both countries with their constitutions, being sort of a facilitator of agreement on key issues among iraqis or afghans. your influence is considerable. ares of state or government very anxious to meet with you when you ask for a meeting. >> sunday night, the former u.s. ambassador to afghanistan discusses his my more, the envoy

"the envoy.", >> although we corrected it toward the end of the period that i was there by reaching out to the sunnis and building of iraqi forces and establishing a , to bring about security, violence was way down. unfortunately when we left, arrival regional powers were pulling iraq apart and we have crisis now. >> sunday night on c-span's to a day -- q&a. >> coming up next, british prime minister david cameron appears before the liaison committee to answer questions ahead of next month's united kingdom referendum on membership in the european union.

the liaison committee is made up of house of commons committee chairs. live coverage from london starting shortly. reuters reporting a campaign for britain to stay the european union retained its lead for a second consecutive week according to an online poll which put the in camp at 39% versus 36% for the out campaign. this was the first polling completed since president obama urged britain last month to stay inside the 20th member bloc, and says is not pns cause a significant shift in opinion. we will see the "remain" campaign edge into a boost.

>> again, we are waiting remarks from british prime minister david cameron as he is sent to make an appeal to the liaison committee to answer questions regarding the united kingdom referendum on never sit in the 20th member european union.

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>> call to order. thank you very much for coming to give evidence, prime minister. you are initially reluctant but like you changed your mind. [laughter]

always pleased to see you. you can come are often if you particularly want to. i do value the opportunity on this subject, we all do. we have a referendum coming. i would like to begin by quoting what you said in your cap now speech. he said if we cannot reach an agreement, the agreement you negotiated, if britain's concerns are met with deaf ears, you'll have to think again about whether this european union is right for us. eu without at renegotiated package right for us? mr. cameron: that is not the choice we have. that was the choice i was determined to avoid. i thought that would've been a bad choice. would we rather stay this organization that we think has failings that need to be

addressed? i was determined to avoid a choice by having a negotiation -- >> in the absence of the renegotiation, we do have argued for leaving? mr. cameron: i never argued for leaving. i have spent my political life arguing -- i think were better off in a reformed europe. as prime minister i have a chance to deliver a reformed europe. i'm not saying that we have achieved solves all of your cozy problems. on many occasions it doesn't solve written problems of europe. it does address some of the key problems. he was a successful negotiation. if this organization had rebuffed one of its leading members and contributors and was not going to address these things, with that point we would have to say, is this really goes organization -- really an organization for us that his

death to its members? >> i'm just asking what you meant by that, prime minister. i'm asking whether you would be arguing for withdrawal. mr. cameron: i haven't. in my political career i have not argued for leaving the eu. >> i am asking seeing that this is a hypothetical question -- mr. cameron: it is but we don't have a choice. we don't have a choice of leaving the eu. >> the current eu this is something we have to imagine we are in. the hypothetical question is what it will look like after renegotiation. i'm asking you a real question, not a hypothetical. which is with the current arrangements in the eu be so in his factory you would be arguing to leave? mr. cameron: that is a hypothetical question. your question begins with the word "if." would you say in that stay in the eu? -- would you stay in the

eu? that is a hypothetical question and i never one of the british people have to answer that question. that's what i said we should have renegotiation and then a referendum. if you're asking about my view -- >> i have not asked you that question. what i'm trying to do is elicit the decision it we should vote yes or no in this referendum is based on what you have delivered in this renegotiation. mr. cameron: i think some people will say whatever you negotiated i would want to stay. i think other people will say no matter what i renegotiated they want to leave. some people will say -- >> i'm asking what you would say. mr. cameron: i will be voting to stay in a reformed european union based on the choice in front of us. >> back to where we were, we are in a current eu. the one we have got now.

the think we should vote to stay in that? mr. cameron: status of the question of front of us. >> that's the question i asked. mr. cameron: i don't know where you are going with this. 2001,in parliament in 1997 unsuccessfully. i said 1997 we should not join the single currency but i do not oppose membership in the eu. all my political life i've been favor of staying in the getting reforms. as prime minister of had a chance to deliver that reform. from a standing start we have delivered more reforms the people of done in the past were expected. i recommend people stay. >> those people will be asking you questions about your renegotiation in one way or another. i think the public quite reasonably wants to know how much they should set on its importance for the decision. i've been asking you for several minutes. i think the

renegotiation is an additional reason to stay because it has addressed some areas were people of real concern. too much of a single currency club, too much of a union, too much emphasis on our welfare system drawn people to the eu. not enough emphasis on growth. four corrected those things. it makes a difference for me. we are asking a bigger question which is should we stay in this organization or should we leave -- >> mr. cameron: i don't overemphasize the achievement of renegotiation. from all my speeches in the campaign i talked about the biggest issue of all. >> i will bring in more colleagues. >> thank you very much. packageenegotiation that he said was so successful,

in fact your promise of treaty changed failed. you promised fundamental change in the relationship with we have of the european union. what we actually have got his discussions in the council and no change in the eu institutions. you claim the passages are reversible, but given international agreements it is not eu treaty change and cannot be described as eu law. are notsh and irish .resident best precedents no one, including the council .an control future decisions

a recent u.k. opinion poll, 57% said they did not trust your package. only 22% did. when they vote on the 23rd of june it will be historic vote. as you cannot guarantee or even offer a treaty change before they get to the polling stations and cast their votes, are you there by cheating the voters? mr. cameron: no, you and i have a long-standing, mutually understood disagreement about this. let me run through some of those points. we have achieved treaty change. in the international legal agreement we have negotiated, the commitment to treaty change. >> you have not. mr. cameron: ask a shorter question and i'll give a shorter answer. treaty change in those two areas

is very important. you asked about whether it is the reversible. -- irreversible. that is not my view. said-- would -- dashwood it is you reversible in practice. i don't agree with you about that. how fundamental is the change that we are achieving? i think it is quite fundamental. the unionitten out of reinforces the special status we have at of the eurozone, and now out of -- i think this change with respect and not beingy discriminated against inside his organization -- that is quite fundamental too. countries, unit of some of who share currency in some who don't. we have is proper legal status saying if you are in the eu and have your own currency, you cannot be discriminated against.

i have mentioned the fact we are cutting the welfare payments that eu citizens receive when they come to britain. that has never been achieved before. i fundamentally disagree with you. when people go to the polls they should think about the issue. the eu as it's going to be or leaving. i think the renegotiation was successful in achieve some fundamental goals. clear that on all , it madelegal advice it absolutely clear if we leave for those proposals. is you want saying us to stay in the european union, but at the same time you're presenting voters with a decision on the 23rd of june based on a false perspective. --is not the reversible.

irreversible. you cannot predict, prime minister, whether or not there will be any decisions following that agreement that are not part of eu law. you cannot saying they will be a change in government. you cannot say they will not be outcomes of the reform referendum. mr. cameron: i got the attorney general of the united kingdom suggesting the agreement does not have legal force is not correct. it has affected a point at which the european unit in -- union notifies united kingdom who wanted to stay. of the legal analysis it says the renegotiation package is based on an international agreement which is binding in international law. it is irreversible. what i would say is let's not argue that we are doing all these things on false perspective. that is an honest disagreement.

you want to leave the eu and i want to stay in. we have a referendum because we have a conservative prime minister. there are lots of things to talk about, but accusing each other of false perspectives under the legal opinion is very clear i think it's a waste of time. quotedsorry, but you those opinions. as far as jacobs, one of the most eminent qc's in the country and vice president of the haspean court, he himself made exactly the same point as i have. i really think if i may say so you are just trying to get away with something. mr. cameron: i think that is wrong on all grounds. to be fair you always wanted, i think, something unattainable. you wanted to find a way of not being subject the european court or subject to the common rules of the market.

somehow to find an associate status within the eu. my view after six years of prime minister, that sort of statement is not available. the option really is a special status within the eu which is what we have delivered and i think we can probably deliver more of over the years. the choice between that or leaving altogether. in making that choice we cannot accuse each other of false perspective. that is what the choice is and what the british people are going to make. one more point. when i think back to all the things we talked about in the 1990's and the single currency and all the rest of it, there were people that said these uptights for the eu will not work. for the last 40 european councils i used that whole time. it is very successful. it has protected us in a very

effective way. that't accept this idea you get an agreement in europe and it doesn't work. the danish agreements worked for them. our agreement to work for us. let's have a referendum on that basis. they look to eu budget management and we were really disturbed to see how much goes back to europe in penalty. you are profoundly pro-europe of the competency of your government is the brexit argument. it should be going to the pocket of farmers and -- mr. cameron: we need to do better in the way money is spent in the way systems are established. first on the the rule payments agency was set up in the problems with that agency. >> your officials said it would get worse before it gets better. mr. cameron: i think it is going

to get better. i think we should stand back and ask why we have these rules. they are there to make sure the money is spent properly and there is not fraud or misappropriation. where makingept if sure systems are in place, we absorb the money that is there available for us from the eu. i agree with that. >> lithuania has a much better record than we do. if we can get some of that back up at some point. one of the concerns i have is that the u.k. would not be of the continue to share air passenger information given the new directive. it is really vital to the security of our citizens. have you thought about the consequences would be in that? mr. cameron: yes, i think this is very serious. about howing earlier i had a clear view of europe and reform over the past 15-20

years. one area where i'm definitely changed my opinion is i used to , partnership with america, police, intelligence services without we deliver security. europe has nothing to do with security. i would argue that five or 10 years ago. there is no doubt in my mind that has changed. they're the most important things. there is no doubt in my mind that passenger name records, criminal records, data, fingerprints, dna, terrorist information, border checks, border information, those things are incredibly powerful and important in protecting our security. what will we do if we left? i think you are some things. it would be difficult if not impossible to get back into the european arrest zone. i think there are some things that theoretically you can negotiate your way back into but

it would take a lot of time. and a lot of time at a moment will be facing great danger in terms of terrorism. there are some days i suspect he could get that into but you would never have as much influence as you do now. europol is a good example of that. we would never get back in the same way. my argument would be the safer part of the stronger, safer, stronger, better off, safer argument is very important. i think it's had enough attention. if you listen to intelligence chiefs and police chiefs and others, they are giving a strong message about how valuable it is. it is something we fought for very hard and are finally getting that done. i think it would be a great mistake to leave these arrangements and have to work out how to get back in after. >> this might surprise you, i would agree with you on that. that brings it ask why as such a

pro-european you have chosen to put the u.k. security at such risk? mr. cameron: i think there is a big issue with a referendum. it's time for britain to have another choice. we made this choice -- let me finish. this organization has changed and quite a lot. i think you cannot hold the country and organization against its choice. it's very wide support for holding referendum and i think we should not be frightened of that. we should make the arguments as we are. i think the argument about safety and fighting terrorism and fighting crime and cross-border drugs and weapons and the rest of it is strongly arguing for staying in the eu. >> the real concern is of the infighting in your party over that. the final point about tax. the public account committee has in watching this very closely. the committee has a unanimous

-- greatereatest transparency for corporate tax in the u.k. the government is keen to act in concert with european partners rather than go it alone. if britain were to leave the eu, would you want to follow your or take a lead in trying to set the agenda from outside the eu? we've argued when it comes to tax transparency there is a role for the eu but we should try to do as much as we can on a global basis. you can set standards even more widely. >> what about within the european union? mr. cameron: we support the move towards country by country -- if we were outside again, this is one of the big argument for you to make. there are frustrations within the eu. i feel that as prime minister. there are parts of it that are not right and things we need to change and our frustrations of limitations. it's a good example of something we want to achieve that is in our national interest.

if we were not in, these discussions will be going on and we would knocking at the door -- we would be knocking at the door. if you take something like tax transparency, this is a british-driven initiative. i can point to the last six years against russia, sanctions against iran, raising money for fighting and west africa, it's a totally british-led initiative. >> would you go it alone? mr. cameron: i could try but it would be more difficult. i think because you don't know whether other countries are going with you, you would find it's harder to make progress on an agenda like this. >> thank you. >> i want to speak about trains. member of's desk numbers of your own cabinet have said u.k. trade has been held back by membership in the eu. mr. cameron: i think the argument here is do we sign

trade deals faster inside or outside the eu? wehink the evidence is that sign better trade deals and increasingly more quickly from inside the eu because we have the -- not only is this very much and eu agenda where perhaps it was not in the past, but we are inclined to get good deals. the evidence for that is things like the korea deal. we made huge progress on an eu-u.s. trade deal. -- atish initiative british initiative started in the g-8 summit in northern ireland. be easyment that even to sign trade deals outside the eu, i don't think it stands up to scrutiny. i think if you look at countries signing trade deals and set up trade blocs, they are less good deals. what's the best ones of been done between different blocks.

if you think about it from britain's point of view, trade deals need to be good trade deals. particularly for britain because our economy is so services based. it's much more difficult to get the access to services than it is to have a simple agreement about tariffs on goods. i think it's particularly in our interests to use the eu as the battering ram to get that done. >> by leaving could we negotiate more favorable terms? for the eu and the global markets that we currently don't enjoy? mr. cameron: i don't think if we left we would have to try, but i think we would have major disadvantages. the first thing we would have to do is to work at our trading relationship with the eu. 44% of our exports go to the eu. it is our most important market. the first thing the government would have to do is ask what the

arrangement is going to be. i think this is where the campaign faces real difficulties. either you say we want access to but if you're, like norway you are still paying into the eu and accepting free movement of people between you and the eu. you got the access of the single market of the rules or regulations are. that's why the norwegian prime minister says don't do the norway deal. therefore you don't do that. december the canada-style trade deals. it's a good deal for canada. it's taken seven years to negotiate and they haven't completed it. it will be quite difficult to work out with your training -- trade arrangements are until you have sorted out the eu deal. i think we would be looking at potentially a decade of uncertainty as a tried to fix the eu trading arrangement. at the same time and afterwards. the campaign has not thought this through sufficiently. >> you don't think the

arrangement or a model that we should think to any late in a brexit. what about switzerland? norway and switzerland are very successful, very prosperous trading nations within the eu. with network for us? mr. cameron: i think they both have the same problem. if youcase of norway, take that as an example, they pay into the eu. they accept people. they are objectives of the lead campaign. . campaign for a country like britain, the fifth biggest economy in the world, do we really want our trading relationship with this very important -- the most important trading partner we have. on the basis of a rule taken? system,aying into the as nowhere does, and accepting the freedom -- free movement of people. why would we want that? i think that argument by the

leave campaign has dropped to that now. and they are talking about canada. canada is a good trade you for canada, thousands of miles away from europe. it's not a good deal for britain because it doesn't have full access to services. foroesn't have full access terrorists or farming and food. it's taken seven years to achieve. i think this is why in my view the leave campaign is not sufficiently thought through how you get these trading arrangements in place. that's why i think the argument is not collapsing into talking about migration and money. this idea that britain was going to rush off and signed deals with the rest of the world, they dropped that because it's -- that is not work. this idea that you either trade with europe or you trade with the rest the world is obviously nonsense. they want to do both and there's

nothing to stop us and doing both. >> in the event of us voting to remain, with the member states want to get back to business as usual immediately? his business as usual good enough for you? mr. cameron: it is absolutely you will fight to make sure we get a better deal it comes to trade for britain? what steps you planning to take on that? mr. cameron: in the renegotiation documents which are legally binding and irreversible there is a lot of material about signing trade deals more rapidly with the rest of the world. the deregulation agenda to make sure europe is more competitive. that is business as usual for the eu post-referendum. we should be focusing on that agenda. i would also make the point that some people say if we vote to remain, business as usual will be a barrage of regulations. i think we have got very