threshold would be the california threshold, not the epa threshold. do you have a comment on that? governor snyder? when you fail, the responsibility is the federal government, but when you do well, it is because the state has done well. so there seems to be a disconnect here, from my perspective. gov. snyder: i stood in front of the entire state of michigan and talked about this failure, and how i apologized, and would try to fix it. i have been very clear about accepting responsibility for the people who work for me, to the so-called experts who crated the crisis, and this terrible tragedy that should never have happened. i want to make sure it never happens again, and i want to take care of the people of flint. >> i will not close this hearing

until mr. cummings has equal time, as well. let me go to administrator mccarthy. and copper rule requires you by law to updated every six years, but you did not do that, correct? ms. mccarthy: they required us to review it. >> you don't believe it is required under law to updated? ms. mccarthy: there are many laws -- >> you are just supposed to look at it? ms. mccarthy: we are actively looking at this rule. we wanted to add substantive revision to it. do what the last administration did, just we get a bit? rep. chaffetz: this has been more than seven years now. your own words, you would have this new rule out in 2013, correct? ms. mccarthy: i am really not aware of that, sir. the schedule i am aware of is the 2017 schedule. rep. chaffetz: you mean 2018?

that is what we heard in testimony. ms. mccarthy: it would be out in 2018. rep. chaffetz: this is what is so frustrating. we have an expert like market edwards come on tell us, and there is so much confusion. is there confusion about the lead and copper will? ms. mccarthy: i do believe it can be strengthened. rep. chaffetz: do you think there is any confusion? ms. mccarthy: i believe there probably is confusion. i am not the one on the receiving end of it, but we work to clarify it. you are thez: administrator, what do you mean you are not on the receiving end? ms. mccarthy: the state does the enforcement, and we were clear to them what their responsibility was under the existing law. we should strengthen the law, i agree. but we needed in place to prevent this from happening. rep. chaffetz: really, then why

did it happen? ms. mccarthy: because the state did not implement and enforce appropriately. sent miguelz: you delta apparel out to do the testing. ms. mccarthy: that was not for and copper testing, that was for an individual in their home. at three houses there was a localized problem. have information until july 21 that there was a systemic problem with that system. yet, as soon as we knew there was any problem in three houses, we told them to start doing -- rep. chaffetz: no you didn't. ms. mccarthy: yes we did. rep. chaffetz: the timeline is such that he did testing, the report, he felt he was reprimanded for. andmayor called the epa said, is this report true, should i be worried?

the answer is, no, you have nothing to worry about. and the mayor when before television and reported to the committee that it is safe to drink the water. sir, i think i have tried to explain that susan did not dismiss the substance of the report. she indicated that it was interim and the data had not been polity-controlled. leaked, it was sent out. it was in the newspapers. rep. chaffetz: i know it was in the person's, and home they came to, it was out there. if you're testing just going to simply blame the state? there is no doubt, and the governors admitted that the information from the career bureaucrats and environmental quality got it wrong. ,ou said they did everything the you immediately wanted everything done on the corrosion control, correct? by starting: i said

april 24, re-realized they were not doing corrosion control, we told them, under the current law, they should do it. rep. chaffetz: ok, i will enter into the record, and e-mail. who is jennifer? ms. mccarthy: one of our staff people, a manager in the water program in the region. rep. chaffetz: is she competent? ms. mccarthy: as far as i know, i do not know her personally. 1, sheaffetz: on july said, and there are a lot of personnel on here, i will read what she says. you told them to introduce corrosion control in april. this is what she wrote to the department of environmental quality. to simply add phosphate may be premature. there are many issues and factors that must be taken into account that require a company and's of look at the water quality and system before any treatment recommendation can and should be made. ms. mccarthy: then let me

explain that, if you would not mind. rep. chaffetz: sure. ms. mccarthy: that advice came from miguel. treatment, he said they do not have a switch to turn on. he said the agency did not have the full water quality data. that is when we demanded, offered, and begged to be on the technical advisory board. were, therez: you is a summary of the conference call between them. ms. mccarthy: no. rep. chaffetz: what do you mean no? the public and look at this for themselves. ms. mccarthy: but it was not as easy as flipping the switch. the question was, whether we were going to be premature in how best to get that done. rep. chaffetz: no. you blamed solely the state. the state has a big part of the blame, i am not trying to excuse them whatsoever. but you are trying to excuse everything from the epa. i amocuments -- wait until done asking the question.

the documentation says you actually had a conference call from the epa telling them not to do it yet. ms. mccarthy: no, we were telling them that they had to do corrosion control. the method and treatment depended on experts to tell them how to do it. , andfered that insistently they actually never even took us up on it until september. rep. chaffetz: that is not true. i will enter this into the record. who is peter? the manager on drinking water office and headquarters. rep. chaffetz: he is a expert who wrote, and this is november 3, it appears there are different possible interpretations of the lead and regards to with optimal corrosion control procedures, apply to the situation. which may have led to some uncertainty with respect to the flint water system. see you have a city begging for

help, they know they are in trouble. they're asking for that help, and i have e-mail after e-mail from the epa saying, maybe you should hold off, because we are not sure. maybe there is confusion over the lead and copper role. i am not excusing them at all, but you need to take some responsibility, because you screwed up and messed up 100,000 people's lives. 10,000 of those are six years old and younger. and you take no responsibility, and don't think you did anything wrong. right? alreadyrthy: we indicated we could have worked more aggressively, and wish we had. can i explain the memo, would you like me to? rep. chaffetz: i want you to have an appreciation and q peoplending why the de are confused? ms. mccarthy: there were no confusing signal sent from the agency. rep. chaffetz: what were they

supposed to do, put the phosphates in the water? ms. mccarthy: not without connecting to the experts, and they refused to get us to the table. not them sorry, that is task force to provide text that -- technical expertise. smith,affetz: leeann dana, i willsmith, mispronounce their last names. ms. mccarthy: i don't know those individuals. rep. chaffetz: they all work for you. the epa, here is what it says. , thank you the eq governor, governor who knows who works for them. he said thank you all for foricipating, i apologize this delay in getting out this a draft for you to all review. it said it simply add the

phosphates. can you like knowledge -- ms. mccarthy: it could've created more damage than a cured. rep. chaffetz: exactly. ms. mccarthy: water systems deserve technical experts, which they did not have available. they would not allow them at the table. call wea semi annual have with the department, where we share information. if you look through the record -- >> you can watch the rest of this at our website, www.c-span.org. we take you to flint, michigan where president obama is making remarks after meeting with community leaders and others about the water contamination there. ♪ [applause] pres. obama: thank you. hello, flint. how is it going? [cheering]

it is good to be back in flint, michigan. that is me. simmer down, everybody. [laughter] thank you, i appreciate it. let me do some business here. recognizing some of the guests who are here. your mayor, karen weaver, is here. [applause] snyder isernor rick here. [booing] -- he is here because we are doing business here. and your outstanding senator, debbie.

debbie dingell is here, john conyers, and sandy levin. an outstanding michigan delegation. burwell, who is the head of health and human services, works for me. administrator gina mccarthy, is here as well. thent to thank principal fort and their hospitality, and i want to thank all of you for being here. now, not too long ago, i received a letter from a young girl.and eight-year-old

you may know her as "little miss flint." feel free to sit down, so folks can see behind you. or don't sit down. you, we have been worried about what happened here in flint. worried about what it means for children like her. she is worried about the future of this city and community. so, in the middle of a tragedy that should never have happened here in the united states of america, the denial of something as basic as clean, safe, thising water, eight-year-old girl spoke out in march. protesting,y of you

prior to getting ready to jump on a bus in washington, she has to meet me while she was in town. here she is. [applause] meetld've been happy to her in washington, but when something like this happens, a young girl should not have to go to washington to be heard. president should come to flint to meet with her. [applause] and that is why i am here, to tell you directly that i see you and i want to hear directly from you about how this health crisis has disrupted

your lives, how it has made you angry and worried. and i just had a chance to meet with a few of your neighbors at a roundtable discussion. i heard from them what i know a lot of you are feeling. a lot of you are scared. but all of you feel let down. them, that i understood why you would be afraid. not just for yourself, but for your kids. i also wanted to come here to tell you that i have your back. [applause] the we're paying attention. that we are paying attention. i have heard from those leading the federal response, making --

working hard to make sure flint is made whole again, and this proud city bounces back not to wear it was, but stronger than ever. i what you to know that i am confident flint will come back. [applause] i will not rest, i will make sure of the leaders at every level of government, that every drop of water that flows into your home is safe to drink, cook with, and bathe in. that is part of the basic responsibilities of a government in the united states of america. [applause] i have sent flint the best resources our federal government has come the support of state and local partners. the agencies that serve you.

specialize inhat health and housing, and support small businesses, and our kids' educations. those responsible for the foods are children eat, and the water we drink. guard is on duty. deckis a hands on situation, all hands on deck. is a child who feels neglected on the north side of flint, or a family on the east side of the city that wonders whether they should give up on their hometown and move away, or an immigrant who wonders whether america means what we say about being at place where we take care of our own, that matters to all of us. not just to flint, not just to michigan, but all america. this is everyone's responsibility. [applause]

i will make sure that responsibility is met. i just talked with a team of responders on the ground to make sure they are coordinated. and they are doing some incredible things. they are distributed enough water to fill more than three olympic sized swimming pools, thousands of filters, there helping students afford nutritious foods, and work against the contaminants in water. there making sure new moms have access to instant infant formula which does not require water. they expanded health services for children and pregnant women, and education programs or flint's youngest children. they're out there testing people for exposure to lead. responsesll our best in tough times, this is not a government effort, at all.

we need our businesses and nonprofits and philanthropists to step up. what is incredible about flint is how many volunteers have already been leading the way. [applause] ua 3 has70 hours of their time. they have installed fossett's and filters night and day. they are not asking for anything in return, they are just doing the right thing. so many americans in flint here and around the country, you don't have to be a plumber or pipefitter to help. although it is helpful. [laughter]

nastyd cross has been people to recycle all the plastic water bottles that have been piling up. religious groups have been supporting families, offering free medical services. the director of a local dance studio found a creative way to help. she is allowing people to use her studio as a space to support one another by sharing their stories, and realizing they are not alone. even inmates at an indiana prison came together to donate more than $2500 to the people of flint. [applause] and a second grader from virginia, a young man named isaiah breaks set up a website to see if he could raise $500 for hand sanitizers to send to the kids at eisenhower elementary school here in flint. [applause]

isaiah, it is fair to say he surpasses goal, he raised $15,000. [applause] he explained that the experience taught him that just because you're small, it does not mean you can't do big things. when you think about those clear that should be the american people care about flint. the american people are paying attention, and they care about you. as is true when disaster strikes people pidgeon, they come together. because they imagine, that could have been me. that is the good news. the bad news, this should not

have happened in the first place. [applause] even though the scope of the response looks like the efforts we are used to seeing after a natural disaster, that is not what this was area this was a man-made disaster. this was avoidable in preventable. i am not here to go through the full history of what happened. like a lot of manufacturing economy has been taking hits for decades now. plants closing, jobs moving away, manufacturing has shrunk. harder fors made it the city to maintain city services.

let's face it, government wereials at every level not attentive to potential problems, the way they should have been. so they started getting shortstaffed, a shrinking tax base, more demand for services, things start getting strained. and, there is not enough help from the outside. financesflint's collapse, and emergency manager was put in place, whose mandate was primarily to cut at all costs. and then some very poor decisions were made. things contributed to the crisis. many of you know the story. now, i do not believe that

anybody consciously tried to hurt the people of flint. this is not the place to sort out every screwup that resulted in contaminated water. but i do think there is a larger issue that we have to a knology. -- we have to acknowledge. a broader mindset, a bigger attitude,a corrosive that exists in our politics, and too many levels of our government. [applause] mindset that believes that less government is the highest good, no matter what.

it is a mindset that says, environmental rules designed to keep your water clean or your optional, or not that important. burdenscessarily businesses or taxpayers. it is an ideology that undervalues the common good. says we are all on our own, and what is in it for me? and, i am not going to invest in what we need is a community, and as a consequence, you see underinvestment in the things and make a share space, that makes us whole, they gives us the ability to pursue our own individual dreams.

so, we underinvestment in pipes underground. bridges andest in the roads that connect us in the schools the drive us forward. [applause] this is part of the attitude and mindset. we particularly under invest ,hen a community is put at risk and does not have a lot of political clout, and so, are not as often heard in the corridors. this kind of thinking, this myth, that government is always , forgets that our government is us. [applause]

is an extension of us, ourselves. that attitude is as corrosive to stuff thatcy as the results in lead in your water. because it leads to systemic neglect. it leads to carelessness and callousness. [applause] lot of the hidden disasters that you don't always read about, and are not as flashy. diminish the life of a community, and make it harder for our young people to succeed. tablesof the round listening to somebody, i think it was a pastor, the told me, it made me feel like we did not count.

you can't have a democracy where people feel like they don't count. like they areeel hurt. attitude ignores how this country was built. our entire history, which is based on the idea that we are all connected, and that what happens in a community like flip -- flint happens to everybody. onlyhere are things we can do together as a nation, a stay, a city, no man is an island.'s sincee been debating this the republic began, what are public and elected

responsibilities. that is a good debate. but i voice believed what the first republican president, a guy named abraham lincoln, said. he said we should do individually those things we do best by ourselves, but through our government we should do together what we cannot do as well for ourselves. [applause] it does not matter how hard you work, how responsible you are, how will you raise your kids, you cannot set up a whole water system for a city. that is not something you do by yourself, you do it with other people. you cannot hire your own fire or your own police force, or your own army. those are things we have to do together, basic things we all benefit from. and that is how we invested in a rail system and a highway

system, that is how we invested in public schools. that is how we invested in science and research. that is how we invested in community colleges, like those in michigan state. [applause] can i get some water? [laughter] [applause] come on up here, give me some water. i want a glass of water. i want a glass of water. i am all right. let's make sure we find one.

it will be filtered. hang on, i will talk about that in a second. where was i? community, in our and our cities, and by making those investments in the common good, we invested in ourselves. that is the platform we create that allows each of us independently to succeed, that is what makes america great. , ande people in flint across michigan, and the country, individuals and church non-for-profits and organizations, you have proven that the american people will step up, when required. not fornteers and profits of the lifeblood of our community, we so appreciate what you do. [applause]

but, volunteers don't build water systems, and keep lead from leaching into our drinking glasses. groupsot rely on faith to reinforce bridges and repaved runways at the airport. graders, ask second even ones as patriotic as isaiah breaks who raise all that money, to raise enough money to keep our kids healthy. about government overreach. obama, he is for the government -- it is not government overreach to say our government is responsible to make sure you can wash your hands in your own thing, or shower in your own home, or cook for your family. [applause] these are the most basic services.

there is no more basic element to sustaining human life than water. it is not too much to expect for all americans that their water will be safe. now, where do we go from here? water.ill waiting for my somebody obviously did not hear me. usually, i get my water pretty quick. [laughter] hold on a second. the reason i know i am ok is because i already had some flint water. here we go. you, i really did need a glass of water, this is not a stunt.

now, i will talk about this. everybody settle down, this is a feisty crowd. hold on a second. everybody settle down, i have some serious points to make here. where do we go from here? mayor weaver has a plan to fix the pipes in flint. unfortunately, because the states initially cut so many corners, it will end up being much more expensive now than it would have been to over the disaster in the first place. but, the good news is, michigan does have the funds they can use from the federal government to help flint. the governor indicated that in his budget we have put forward additional funds to replace the pipes, in order for it to happen, and i said this to the

mayor and the governor, i have them both in my car, the beast. i told him i would not like -- let either of them out until we figured it out. had secret service surrounding everybody. [applause] was, the city in the state and the federal government, everybody will have to work together to get this done. it is not going to happen to getht, but we have started, we have to get the money flowing. we have to work with our plumbers and pipefitters and also trained local residents, and start getting a credit ship programs going, so even as we are trying to deal with this the battle, we are lifting people up and giving an opportunity for employment.

congress, led by more congressional delegations needed to operate in bipartisan fashion, do their job, make sure flint has the necessary resources. is long since -- overdue that flint has a water system that and othergainst lead contaminants. that is our goal, one goal. than just do more ensure the safety and integrity of your water for the long-term. we also have to work at -- as one team, state, local, federal, democrats and republicans, to address some of the broader issues that have been raised by this crisis. the federal officials lament with today are committed to

staying on the job until we get it done. [applause] that requires the state of michigan to step up and be fully invested in this problem as well. increasing funding for health care was a good start, but part of keeping the faith with the suree of flint is making your first in line for the jobs this effort will create. every child that lives in flint while the water was bad, needs to be able to get seen by a doctor, diagnosed, make sure there is follow-up. , we have just promise to deliver. that means everyone has to cooperate. everyone has to cooperate. keeping the faith with you means the state also has to step up

and deliver the resources that will help not only fix the water, but transform flint so that it is once again a optioning city with the capacity and the democratic structures to work. the city government has to be on a firm foundation. the mayor cannot do it by herself, she has to have a team and a staff, and there has to be a budget that works. and a sustainable plan for economic development, a plan to make sure health care is available to all of our kids, and a plan that education is top-notch, and more jobs are created. [applause] require many more of the good work we have seen from citizens and community groups that care about your families. fix thet enough just to water, we have to fix the culture of neglect. [applause]

too many schools and too many roads, we have heard too many futures. fix the mindset that only these people cynical about our government. our government is awesome. of us, by us, for us, the people. we have a lot of work to do. but i am here to tell you, i am prepared to work with you on this. [applause] i am paying attention. a couple of specific things i want to address. these are not in my prepared remarks, but what i gather from the conversations that i had. i am in flint right now, not detroit. [cheering] , and theirve detroit schools need support.

some of that same mindset has hurt the school's there. i am drawn -- this is drawn from the conversations i had for many of your neighbors and friends, as well as the federal response teams i sent out here a while -- a wild back. we will get new pipes here in flint. but, even with all the money even with an efficient, speeded up process, it will take a while for all the pipes to be replaced. it won't happen next month or six months from now, where all the pipes will be replaced. we have to get started, and you need to see that it is getting started in progress is being

made. but it won't happen overnight. even if we get all the plumbers and pipefitters, even if we do all that, it is going to take some time. so, one of the things i heard talking to a lot of your neighbors is, it is just rough trying to figure out how to get bottled water on the way home and you are trying to just shower real quick, and people are still concerned about what is safe, and what information is correct, and what is not. i do want to just tell you what i know. based on not just what i have read in the papers, but what our top scientists have told me. is, to get pipes

replaced you need to have a filter installed. filter, that the water is safe to consume for children over the age of six, and who are not pregnant. now hold on a second, don't start shouting. this is the problem. if people don't listen to each other, it will not get fixed. i am pretty good at stirring folks up, if i want to do that,

that will not solve the problem. i am telling you what i know. the scientist that work for me, if they tell me something and i say it in front of the cameras, and it turns out to be wrong, that person will not have a job. i understand the fears and concerns people have, and they are entirely legitimate. what the science tells us at this stage, you should not drink any of the water that is not filtered. but if you get the filter and canit operably, that water be consumed. that is part number one. free,n get those filters

and people will help install them if you need help, particularly seniors you may back andble getting forth to get bottles of water and so forth. that is information that i believe. that is point number one. every child ino, flint who may have consumed water during the course of this tragedy, and that is the overwhelming majority of children here, should get checked. now, the reason that is is atant, is because lead serious issue. if undiagnosed, and not dealt with, it can lead to some long-term problems.

but, and this is really important, so i want everybody -- if you known that your child may have been exposed, and you go to a health clinic, a doctor, a provider, thenre working with them, your child will be fine. and the reason i can say that with some confidence is not just based on science, but based on the fact that keep in mind it 1980's where the we started banning lead in paint, lead in toys, lead in gasoline. -- oryou are my age older, or maybe even a little

innger, you got some lead your system when you were growing up. you did. and i'm sure somewhere when i was two years old, i was taking a chip of paint, tasting it, and i got some lead. or sometimes, toys were painted with lead, and you are chewing on them. i say that not to make light of the situation. we know now what we did not know then, that it can cause problems if children get exposed to lead at elevated levels. is, that as long as kids are getting good health care, and folks are paying attention, and they are getting a good education, and they have community support, and they're

getting some good home training, and they are in a community that is loving and nurturing and thriving, these kids will be fine. i don't want anybody to start somehow, all the kids in flint will have problems the rest of their lives, because that is not true. [applause] is not true, and i don't want that stigma to be established in the minds of kids. we have learned a lot of things since i was a kid. i used to have adult blowing smoke in my face all the time. [laughter] we did not use seatbelts. dry-cleaning bags around us, and thought it was fun. [laughter] folks did not know.

the reason i think this is important is because i heard from a lot of folks who were saying how moms and dads were feeling guilty, feeling sad, lord, howpressed, oh is this going to affect my child. and it is right to be angry, but you cannot be passive. can't just sit back and think into despair. -- sink into despair. our kids will be fine, but you have to take action. don't wait for somebody else to whether your ask child has gotten a checkup recently. gojust expanded medicaid, take your child to the doctor. [applause] use that health system.

community organizations, churches etc., one of the things we need to do, is set up a so thatf outreach, everybody as a village is looking out for every child. making sure they are getting checked up, getting pediatric care. making sure they are being tested effectively, making sure they're getting nutritious food. wet to give you an example, know that if kids are getting vegetables and eating properly, that by itself will have some impact on any effects of lead. there that here in flint, are whole neighborhoods that do not have a supermarket. we will have to figure out how to get supermarkets in those and make sure those kids are getting the nutrition

they need. you should be angry, but channel that anger. you should be hurt, but do not nk intonto despair -- si despair. and do not communicate to our children here in this city that they will be saddled with problems for the rest of their life, because they will not. it will be just fine. [applause] just like i did fine with a single mom, growing up in a tough neighborhood. as we are there for them, and looking out for them and doing the right thing for them and giving them the resources that they need. don't lose hope.

[applause] don't lose hope. i talked longer than i was going to. but i feel strongly about this whole issue with kids, now. kids rise to the expectations we set for them. [applause] already kids in flint have some crosses they have to bear. they have people telling them, is too tough for you, because if -- theyblack, or poor will do fine.

as long as we do right by them. and that is my incentive. set high expectations for them. just a couple more points. is just aned here extreme example. an extreme and tragic case of what is happening in a lot of places around the country. we have seen unacceptably levels of lead in townships along the jersey shore and in the capitals of south carolina and mississippi. and even, not long ago, lead -contaminated drinking water was found right down the street from the united states capital. is just the tip of the

iceberg, in terms of reinvesting in our communities. like we have seen bridges fall and levees break. we have got to break that mindset. these things are not a coincidence, they are the same mindset that led to flint's water being unsafe to drink. it is self destructive when we do not invest in our communities. a lot of people who are against government spending say that the private sector is the key. the private sector is the key for our economy, free market and free enterprise are great. the companies will not invest in a place where your infrastructure is crumbling and your roads are broken. [applause] you are not going to start a business or be able to recruit outstanding staff if there is no

safe drinking water in the city. my hope is, that this begins a national conversation about what we need to do to invest in future generations. it is no secret that on this pipeline of neglect, a lot of times it is the most poor, folks who are left behind. it is working people who are left behind. we see in communities across the midwest that have not recovered since plants shut down. corners, on inner-city where they might be able to drink the water, but they can't find a job. we see it in the rural hills of appellation. appellation -- appalachia.

we have to break the habit of saying it is not my problem, out of sight, out of mind. we have to break that attitude that says, somehow, it is not we are the we, american family, we have to look out for each other. [applause] are not "thosent are our kids. i am not going to start preaching in front of a pastor. so, let me close by saying this. i know this has been a scary time.

i know it was disappointing. you have been let down. but, there is a sermon about a phoenix rising from the ashes. and there is the opportunity out of this complete screwup, this painful tragedy, this disappointment, to actually pull together and make for a better future. fortimes it takes a crisis everybody to focus their attention. there have been a lot of crises in flint, they were just not as loud and noisy and nobody noticed. [applause] there are a lot of small, quiet crises in the lives of people around this country. up -- liftlps lifted

it up. understand and feel it maybe we start making a connection with each other. and that begins to change our mindset and improve our politics, and improve our government to make it more responsible and more accountable. the good news is, that is the natural mindset of our young people. that is why i am so hopeful about the people of flint, and america generally. i meet young people all the time, and they have a mindset just like little miss flint here, who decides to write to the president to fix this. the mindset of isaiah, raising $50,000 to help an elementary school where he has never been. $15,000 to help an elementary

school where he has never been. we are america, we are a nation of individuals, and we should be proud of everything we can accomplish on her own through hard work and grit and looking at our -- looking after our own families. but, we don't do these things alone. ultimately, our success is dependent on each other. our success is dependent on each other. i have had the privilege of being the president of the united states, a big office. an office that gives me enormous power and enormous responsibility, but the thing i ise learned in that job, that i cannot do it by myself. i can't fix every problem on my own.

i need a mother-in-law that ours michelle and me raise children. i need incredible staff who are carrying out our policies, to sign people up for health care. incredibleave our men and women in uniform who are willing to go overseas and fight on behalf of our freedom. [applause] i have got to have governors and mayors were willing to work with me to get things done in their states and in their cities. and most of all, i need fellow valuess who share the that built of this great country, and are willing to work with me and work together to make it better. the most important office democracy is the office of citizen. more important than any governor

or player. -- or mayor. is the idea that each of us has to contribute. each of us has been to give back. i am here not just to say that i have your back. i am not here just to say that will get health. -- get help. i also here to say that you have power. i also here to say that you count, that you can make a difference and rebuild of this city better than ever. you will have a friend and partner in the president of united states. god bless you. douglas flint. -0- god bless michigan. -- god bless the united states of america. [applause] ♪

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we will air the president's speech in michigan during primetime on his. some headlines -- the end of the road for john kasich. that is in "the atlantic." and in "the los angeles times," john kasich ending his campaign, leaving trump as the sole republican in the race. john kasich to suspend his presidential campaign apparently can quickly. charlie black hired to help with the gop convention fight said kasich was still running as of 8:15 this morning. a campaign of your was recently sent out as early as 10:16 today. john kasich is expected to make the announcement to end his campaign in just a few moments. a l look ative columbus, ohio, the site of the franklin park conservatory and botanical

gardens. particular live., --we take you there live. [applause] [cheers] [applause] gov. kasich: thank you all for coming. the first thing i have to do is to thank my great wife karen-- [applause] she has enjoyed my political -- enjoyed -- endured my political career, accentuated it. there is no way like karen. she's charismatic. she walks into a room and people

with her. when she appeared on anderson cooper, john weaver commented that if we'd only run karen, we would have been a lot more successful. [laughter] i happen to agree with that. they are unbelievable. they have been so supportive. [applause] traveled with me around the country as well. it was such a delight to have the family on the road.has their principal has said, don't let education get in the way of learning. they learned a great deal. i want to thank the worthington christian staff for their patients and willingness to look after our family.

it was terrific. [laughs] nobody has ever done more with less than what this staff has done. it has always kind of been this way. it has been a mystery to me, other than to say that i like to think that they think that they have been part of something bigger than themselves. and we all want to be part of something bigger than ourselves. and i think we do it with honesty and integrity. as a result, i think i know, and i sure hope and pray, that they feel this experience in this campaign has improved them in some way for the better. i'm looking forward to spending more time with them. the volunteers -- just amazing.

i don't know how many, 800 people we had that went to new hampshire. people that went to michigan. people were in south carolina. i would show up in places, and people i knew. i was like, why are you here? they were believers. i could never thank them enough for the long car rides in the snows of new hampshire. they knocked on doors. in the reign of south carolina -- rain of south carolina, they knocked on doors. my mother always used to say, never forget the volunteers. they were always the ones that have given me the octane, the fuel to be able to carry out my purpose. i want to thank the people that gave the money, the financial resources. we never had all the money we

wanted. we were probably outspent 50 to one. but we were never daunted and that. we got up every day and did the best we could. a big thank you goes to beth hansen, the campaign manager. [applause] she did everything she could possibly do. and my dear dear friend, doug price. [applause] well, we start getting into said, mr.s, mremma doug didn't you travel with my daddy for a year and a half? reese looked at her and said, how did you do that? [laughter] we are going to have a lot more fun in the future. the kitchen cabinet -- i look at

joann and tim, the only guy i know that carried more luggage than an entire circus group. it was unbelievable. i know i am leaving some people out. i want to thank everyone of you. i visited these beautiful beautiful towns in new hampshire. people have really counted me out in new hampshire. townhall, itur 100 was remarkable. those beautiful towns. i will never forget the people of new hampshire. we moved from new hampshire in the far east, all the way to the excitement of california. even being able to sit in traffic in los angeles. [laughter] and i just loved california and what it means to our country, and the excitement that it breeds. i remember we were in the upper

peninsula of michigan. i never knew where it was. i never knew it was actually located above wisconsin. we landed. i remember, everybody was looking at their phones. i said, would you all please put down your phone, this is a winter wonderland. this is magical what we are seeing here, what the good lord has given us. to the energy of miami beach, florida, for one of the last debates. it was interesting, they did not think i could make any debate. i made all 13 of them. in fact, won a couple of them. as for my beloved ohio, the cannot tell you how much i appreciate the opportunity that you have given me to be a leader state. the people of ohio have given me the greatest professional

experience of my lifetime. i have tried to pay them back. last night in cleveland, a woman, african american woman said, you made promises, and you kept them. and that is why i am here tonight, because i believe in you, that you brought our people together. well, it only happened because the people gave me a chance. everywhere i went in america, i told the people about our beautiful beloved state. and held ohio high. i think i gave people and impression from one end of america to the other that ohio is a special place. i expect we're going to have more visits as a result. i marveled at my colleagues that held public office. they knocked on doors and made phone calls. people that came from the legislature.

when you are an executive and have to deal with the legislature, it is not always peaches and cream. but yet these legislators, the leaders, the speaker of the house, the president of the senate, some of my statewide colleagues like the attorney incredible that they would have come out and honored me. frankly, i was so humbled by the fact that they came. and they loved me. they encouraged me. the people of our country changed me. they changed me with the stories of their lives. int we all remember that hug south carolina from that young man who had found despair, and then found hope somehow.

and he just wanted to give me a hug. the country marveled. but you know, that was one of a series of these things that had happened. the gentleman that showed up in new hampshire. he said, i don't think i have warned my son enough about the dangers of a certain type of cancer, and now he has it, and i am blaming myself. he put his arm around me and cried. i said, sir, it's not your fault. you didn't do anything wrong. you are a great father. you come here all the way from new york to tell me about this. take the load off of your shoulders. thatote us a letter saying little conversation made a difference with him. and when we went to new york, months later, standing at the rope line was that man.

he said, i want you to know, my son is doing much better. and i wanted to be here to thank you for taking the time with me. in michigan.hall a woman stood up and showed a picture of her son who had taken his life. faith, talkedt about her son and where he was. and everybody in that hall embraced that woman and made her feel that she was not alone. see, stories like this occurred all across our country. it's frankly because, for whatever reason, god gave me the grace to make

people feel safe and comfortable. they came to these town halls, which were absolutely magic. i've learned something, folks, that we all need to slow down our lives. slow down our lives and listen to those who are around us. let me be clear, we all know that economic growth is imperative to the success of our country. economic growth gives people an opportunity to realize many of their hopes and dreams in life. and without a job, the family is weaker, the community is weaker, the neighborhood is weaker, the state suffers, and our country struggles. i can tell you economic growth can be achieved by public officials if they just do their job. but they have to ignore polls. they can't focus on focus groups.

and they have to overcome the criticism.lection or see, the formula is simple and it works. it is common sense regulations that don't crush our small businesses. that is where our kids get their work now increasingly. that is the fastest area of job growth. we need to lower taxes for individuals. we have to cut taxes for businesses so they invest in america, not some country in europe. we need a realistic path to balance the budget. frankly, nothing more imperative than a balanced budget amendment to the constitution to force congress to do their job. we have to keep in mind that we have to shift power, money, and influence from the government to the people wherever we live. we have to run america again from the bottom up. the essence spirit,

of america lies in the hearts and souls of us. you see, some missed this message. it wasn't sexy. it wasn't a great soundbite. but i saw a young lady in philadelphia who came to me and said, i'm a producer on a major cable show, and i watch your town halls and talk about the spirit of our country. and she said, you have affected my life. you see, i believe we all need to live a life bigger than ourselves. yes, we need to live a life a little bit bigger than ourselves. we need to reach out to help someone else. because you know what? it comes to us naturally if we let it.

we are, as human beings, kind of hardwired to want to give someone else a lift, give someone else an opportunity. when we reach out and help someone else, what it does is it opens us, ourselves, to recognizing and receiving the help that we need in our lives. it's a virtuous circle when we help someone else to rise. it opens us up to receive the things that we need in our lives, regardless of who we are. to paraphrase an old adage, i sought the greatness of america in her harbors and in her rivers, and i did not find it. i sought it in her fertile fields and boundless forests, and did not find it. i sought her greatness in her

halls of congress, and i did not find it. campaign, ier this see it in us when we come together, when we lived one anotheft one another with our en the horizon. throughout my campaign, i have said the lord may have another purpose for me. and it sets all the pundits atwitter. does that mean he is not committed, or he is not focused or not energetic? it showed to some degree how little they understand about life. you see, i have always said that the lord has a purpose for me, as he has for everyone. and as i suspend my campaign today, i have renewed faith, deeper faith, that the lord

will show me the way forward and fulfill the purpose of my life. thank you, and god bless. [applause] >> ohio governor john kasich in columbus, ohio, announcing the suspension of his campaign for the republican residential nomination. if you missed his announcement, we will air it again tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span. several tweets, this one from usa today. referring to a usa today story that ohioans want john kasich to drop out. that is according to a poll released on monday. ohioans, especially republicans,

want governor kasich to drop out of the race. from breitbart news. "you have to at least credit kasich for beating all expectations on when he would drop out." this one from the washington examiner, that donald trump fl oats john kasich as a potential vice presidential pick. donald trump will be live interesting, west virginia -- live in charleston, west virginia on thursday. live coverage at 7:00 eastern as our road to the white house coverage continues on c-span. ♪ >> we are pledging 72 of our delegates to the next president of the united states. ♪

[applause] >> recently, our campaign 2016 bus made a visit to pennsylvania, stopping at grove city college, washington and jefferson college, and harrisburg area community college, where students, professors, and local officials learned about our road to the white house coverage and interactive resources found on c-span.org. visitors would share their thoughts about the upcoming election. the bus in warrington pennsylvania, where it honored seventh ninth graders for their video in the student cam

commission. official thanks to armstrong cable and comcast for coordinating the committee visits. you can view all the winning document trees on studentcam.org. -- winning documentaries on studentcam.org. >> the event hosted by the american enterprise institute covered the presidential race and senate, house and gubernatorial contests. the analysts discuss the state of the republican party, and whether or not donald trump can gain support from party insiders. good morning everyone. i am a senior fellow here at aei. i would like to welcome our c-span audience, tokyo audience, and voa audience to this section of election watch. i will be joined by my

colleagues from aei. bipartisan from the partisan -- the bipartisan policy center. itserday, indiana held first competitive and consequential primary in 40 years. little did we know how consequential it was. this morning, we will discuss the results and what we will watch going forward. there are 180 days until the general election. i should add, 13 days until portions of the megyn kelly-trump interviews will air. [laughter] i would like to talk about what we have learned from the voters thus far. polls about the election have some productive value -- predictive value, but they are much more of value as we get closer to the campaign. donald trump cited april in which he led clinton by three points. what he did not say is that

on the 60 most recent polls, jihad led her in only -- he had led her in only 3. let me first talk quickly about what we learned about republicans and democratic and primary caucus voters. this includes the indiana results. in every state except by what, voters -accept iowa, voters have been more conservative than in 2008. in every state, voters and democratic contests have been more liberal than 2008. in indiana, 67% of voters in the democratic contest described themselves as liberal. in 2008, according to an abc, liberals were 39% of voters there. in every state except vermont and new hampshire, a majority or plurality of voters have said the next president should continue obama's policies. in from and new hampshire -- in vermont and new hampshire, most

democrats wanted the next president to be more liberal. a significant chunk of democratic voters want the next president to be more liberal. in every democratic contest, except one, the economy has been the top issue. in vermont, not surprisingly, the economy tied with income inequality. again, on the democrat exide, health care inequality have been roughly tied for second place. terrorism ranked behind each of these other issues for democrats everywhere. in 13 democratic contests where the exit poll asked the question, voters said that the economic system favors the rich. in new york and a few other states, voters have been asked about wall street. in new york's democratic contest, 62% says wall street hurts the u.s. economy. only 30% said that it helped. 87% of voters in new york said they were worried about the direction of the u.s. economy in

the next figures. that is a fairly familiar finding. voters in the new york gop primary also agreed that wall street hurts the u.s. economy, but more narrowly. 40% to that response. -- 48% give that response. in 18 contests where they asked of question, between 63-70% republicans favored a temporary favored a temporary ban on muslims who are not u.s. citizens from entering the country. thirds did majorities favor deporting illegal immigrants working in the united states. in 18 states, solid pluralities or majorities of voters in gop contest said illegal immigrants should be offered a chance to apply for legal status. in 15 of 16 states where they asked the question, half were more voters -- half or more

voters felt betrayed, and many of them were angry. the evangelical want -- vote in eight of the 12 states. them in the rest. the exit pollsters asked about trade in seven democratic contest. with the exception of ohio, -- votersjority said in the democratic contests were evenly split. in sixked about trade gop contest, and in each, the majority said it takes away jobs. in every case, more republicans than democrats said trade takes away jobs. has won fewerary total voteshan she garnered that she lost in 2008.

there are other fascinating stories from the exit polls. it should come out in late may. i should give a special thanks thanks to heather sims and eleanor o'nel. eleanor is the delegate tracker throughout the campaign and kept us on top of convention rules and heather and eleanor are essential helping me put out aei's political report. a few final notes the exit poll in indiana had fascinating reports that point to problems for trump and clinton in the future. 26% of the voters who didn't vote for trump said they wouldn't support him. 59% of indiana gop voters said they wanted a candidate outside establishment a key to trump's , appeal yet 24% of the indiana , gop voters said they would be scared if he won and 18% concerned. , he won women by six points

, but men by 26. the gender gap and mriaggapar will be problems for him in the fall particularly among white women. hillary still has a big problem with men. bernie sanders did extremely well in indiana last night among young people. the indiana poll again pnted to hillary's weaknesses on honesty and integrity and on compassion, on caring about people like you and me. 3/4 of democrats said they expected her to win. that is just a quick summary of some of the interesting highlights from the exit poll. now i am going to turn to michael baran, and we would like you to look back. i look at the polls today, and when he announced, he was at 3% in the republican field. barone: they will start in 1856 -- mark shields was at that convention.

he can remember that for you. i did not make it until 1860. one of the interesting things is here by my definition of presumptive nominee, one who has a majority of delegates in hand, committed, or on the way to getting them without visible opposition, the republican party has a presumptive nominee before the democratic party. donald trump meets that definition. hillary clinton doesn't. she certainly will within the next few weeks barring something utterly unbelievable, but nonetheless, she still has opposition from bernie sanders. , a failed to carry indiana state she carried eight years ago. so, we're going to have to wait, i again cap -- i guess, until june 7 for her to be the presumptive nominee, as donald trump is for the republican party. one way you can look at the outcome of both party raises is

that both parties would have been better served, at least from the point of view of traditional leaders if they adopted the other parties delegate allocation rules. [laughter] well, you laugh. there is some people on both the democratic and republican parties that are crying about this. but, the trump, who spent much of the month of april complaining about reading the rules, and so forth has been a , huge beneficiary of the rules of the republican party which , are designed for a party that has a solid core of supporters thought would usually find plurality winners of early primaries to be acceptable. that has not been a dcription of the republican party this year, but it enables donald trump to lead a big delegate without winning the majority of

voters in any contest between february 1 and april 19. he got 35% in new hampshire, a big win. 33% in the main caucus was a loss. 32% of the vote in south carolina. that would have been a loser next door in north carolina or virginia. he got 36% -- a win in michigan. next in ohio, 36%, was a loss for donald trump. so, when he gets combined opposition, he has, on occasion, failed to win the votes, as he did in ohio against john kasich or against ted cruz in wisconsin. i think what we have seen is that in the month of april, and andhe time between april 5 may 3, you have a significant quantum of republican voters seems to have been turned off by the idea of a contested

tedention, by the idea of cruz forces getting second-ballot elegant support in states that trump had won or gotten plurality. sixsee not only in the northeastern states that voted april 19 and 26 where trump gets majority first time, majorities the votes, but then he does so in indiana in contrast to the surrounding states with somewhat similar demographics before that. i think that represents a clear change in opinion. i see certain theory similarities between the trump and clinton coalitions, and how they have won their nominations. or, clinton is on the way to winning the nomination. they have gotten bedrock support from their parties more down scale constuency. blacks, southern blacks have provided almost all of the

plurality of hillary clinton's popular vote. for her, non-educated -- for her. non-educated whites have provided support for donald trump. those candidates have run badly among people with high degrees of what is called social connectedness, social capital. those areas have done very badly for donald trump and for hillary clinton. poorly inem have done caucuses, and much worse in caucuses that require a certain amount of participation by people that are going to bother to go than they had done in primaries. now, both trump and clinton have run strongest in the northeast and south, and have run rather withantly in the midwest the exception of donald trump in indiana. what does that say about the general election? karlyn pointed out, if

you take a national polls, trump 47-40,ading and you have high negatives. negative,unning 65% and clinton is running about 56% negative. my own view is this has not proven to be a good year to say things could never happen. been innocent of saying something could never happen that happened this year, but most of us have fallen afoul of that. looking at the general election, when you have two candidates entering the race we seem to be known and have high negatives, how do you predict actually few -- how do you predict which will

be this positive? we have a few recent polls. karlyn pointed to thess and that is not totally inconstent. there has been this theory that democratic turnout has been surging with these new groups. democratic turnout has been going down since 2008. republican turnout hasn't been going up, either, but we saw in indiana, the turnout was about 600,000. the republican turn it was about to hunt -- the opposite, if you 2 million. contrast indiana in democratic 2008, republican 2012 races where the numbers are other way around. and, you know, that hillary clinton doing very well in the

general election, but will they turn out? if people could change their minds in the five weeks between april 5 and about donald trump may 3 among republican primariry voters, i wouldn't rule out the possibility, although it seems less likely of some people who currently say they would never for him in million years changing their minds between now and november. an: thanknn -- bowm you. john, what should the never trump group do now? mr. frotier: there has been talk of hair, and other things, but enough about kelly ripa and

michael strahan. ella to talk about the fact that trump is the nominee and comes at the gop electric from a different access. that has confused us all. henry has a fine book -- the four face of the republican party. i think you might be adding a fifth face, and the reason is donald trump kind of cuts across categories, especially with this issue of immigration. not a surprise to us. that is what he talked about first, the people that describe themselves as less conservative republicans, evangelical somelicans, it has residents among all of them. he found a way to activate a majority in the party that is very different than what others had done. and this is different. a future that i generally agree with -- the republican party has

a challenge, and reaching out to hispanics and other groups would be part of the future. it makes us realize the republican party has been moving this way. it is a group of people that can be activated. if you look at europe, there are all sorts of arrangements in european countries with more parties worried about immigration, and more center-right parties in coalition, playing with each other, or having disagreement, but i think the public and party will have to wrestle with these things, and it may be they have to do with the democratic -- demographic problems, but finding a way to look forward will be the issue in the longer term. can trump win? look, there will be more coalescing around truck. john kasich, i do not imagine staying in the race much longer. ted cruz is out. there are people that have been against trip pretty strongly. some will have a hard time walking that back, but i think there will be a lot of

coalescing around donald trump. i think we should wait and see. michael pointed to it as well. we are very early on these. our suspicion is donald trump will get some new voters, , but hetive democrats also might not, and he will lose both. he has high negatives. looking ahead,- we would wonder if it is a net gain or a net loss. i'm not convinced it is a disaster, as many republicans are worried the soviet very bad loss for donald trump in the general election, but i do think them next of what he gains and what -- mix of what he gains and what he loses is yet to be seen. two other topics -- i'm usually one to downplay the vice presidential selection in terms of the politics. it really has a great effect on the race. at best, you can hope for a state to be helped a point or two, if you are lucky. i think it is adjusting this time -- a couple of reasons.

we put out a report on vice presidential selection, encouraging the candidates to be serious about it, take the time to do it, and find somebody that is substantial, but there are a couple of dangers out there. henry clinton -- because she is so experienced, is she going to look to pick someone and expense? it balances you, but it is still something for governing that might not be ideal. then i think she will have to ask the question do she make her left, or bernie said -- bernie sanders supporters happy with her choice? i do not think elizabeth warren will take deposition, but sherrod brown, someone who means more left, or does she feel more comfortable with someone in the center of her part question i don't have an answer --party? i do have an answer as soon donald trump will pick, but this is a chance to solidify himself with the party. there are some that will not

want to run with him, but this is an opportunity. delegateint is on selection. what i was going to talk about -- convention scenarios and other things that could have happened, and obviously events have overtaken us here, but i think in many ways the cat is out of the bag in small of the -- in terms of the small democratic character of primaries. i'm not sure we will see a big rethinking of how we select delegates because it depends on how comfortable they feel, who wins the presidency, but i think the insider processes, the ones trump was complaining about, some of the uncommitted delegates, or the conventions, or some of the ways the actual selection of the delegates goes on in states that many rested not pay attention to. insider campaign people spent a lot of time going to be states and figure out -- figuring out who these delegates were. i think it's going to get more

screen see. i think definitely a move toward some more democratization, the idea of party insiders having all this power is belied by the fact that their options for stopping donald trump were not that great no matter what the , situation was and some of these processes are getting some criticism. ms. bowman: thank you very much, john. we'll turn to henry to talk about the soul of both political parties what we learned from the polls at this point and whether or not you think trump can unite the party, whether will be a third party challenge? yn asked mewhen karl soul, i wast the imagining what a field day norm would have with that question. of course, the devil has already made his appearance in the toublican race, and i want describe the somewhat conservatives, the faction that

prefer john boehner to the staunch conservative movement conservatives. and john boehner appears in the week before ted cruz's political test of his life and compares them to lucifer -- lucifer and the flesh, -- in the flesh, he lead toich i think will a defamation suit, because it wants to be compared to ted cruz? [laughter] mr. olsen: i think this shows the republican party is suffering not from soulless miss, or a bad soul, but a multiple personality disorder. person've got, as any who is disordered because the multiple personalities, they cannot coexist in the same body as the body currently understands itself. and unless and until a choice is

made by the different factions in the republican party that they must try and get along rather than vie for dominance, the republican party will continue to descend into disorder and irrelevance. but this is possible but it's harder than many would like to think. i go into why he did not replace the four faces. as i said, the real estate developer has not renovated the house, but simply added an addition. these voters ask different things and want different things, but even within the factions that are fighting there is strong disagreement. one way to look at it is to look at the most recent typology which takes and divides the electorate into it different groups, and you could, very

roughly say that what we see in the race right now is three of those groups are vying for dominance. called the staunch conservatives, the business conservatives, and what they call the the hard-pressed skeptics, skeptics being the white attracted to trump. on one,ng to do is two but then what happens to the third? if you look at the data, the two on one temptation will be very strong -- trade and immigration, the hard-pressed skeptics are largely in agreement, and strong dispute with the heritage conservatives. this is what heritage action for proposing as the populist conservative alliance. this alliance looks as trade and

immigration as gateway drugs to conservativism. if we give them immigration and trade, they will come over to our side of entitlement cuts, strong tax cuts, and robust social conservativism, but the problem is you look as those voters, they actually don't want those things and this is where , the business conservatives and the staunch conservatives have agreement. over 87% of the business conservatives and 90% of the staunch conservatives agree with the question that government is doing too much. hard-pressed skeptics are on the other side. government isnks doing too little. appeal.trump's the problem in the trump view is the government should be serving the average person who deserves something because of their citizenship, and that the government has abandoned citizen

in favor of noncitizen, and that is what unites all of the planks that he talks about. i followed in my most recent piece a form of nationalism, but not expansionary nationalism -- it is a sense that citizenship matters. that being an american entitled to not to a check, but to consideration, and that with the elites of both parties in this view have failed to do is give consideration to the plight of people that are being hurt by policies that both parties have pursued. that makes this group a swing group. it is one reason why you saw turnout in 2008 was up for the democrats. it was up here. what we see in places like europe is the people that eventually settle in the right wing populist parties try out the establishment parties first. -- someone who voted labour in 2005, tour in 2010 and is now

convinced neither side cares about him. the task for the republicans going forward is one of to quote "e american revolution, whether you want to hang together or you want to hang separately." each of these groups have something more in common with each other than they have with the other groups. but if they don't get along they will all hang separately because it's the natal democratic -- national democratic advantage the the democratic coalition has. it is impossible without nationality as a central factor. it is not unusual. every successful conservative party in europe and in the anglosphere eventually comes around to the idea that some form of citizenship and nationalism is essential to going from a minority of well-off individualists to a majority that appeals to people throughout the class structure. in this approach also will help us, as relatives, deal with the

demographic -- republicans, deal with the demographic question. if one wants to deal with latinos, one has to do with latinos as you have them, and they are people that because of where they come from expect an active role for government. they do not expect socialism. they do expect that getting government out of the way and letting the private sector work won't help in their benefit. adopting some form of idea of nationalism and obligatory citizenship as a cop meant to the existing republican accompaniment to the existing republican structure will unite these groups. ,t will do what lincoln did putting to get the disagreed on tariffs and immigration, but could agree that slavery was wrong. it will do what nixon did after the debacle of 1964, take a modulated approach to what thewater raised, discard things that divided, included

the things that united and that the republican part on a path that culminated with reagan who was reaching the same conclusion, made the republican party relevant and the dominant party for 36 years. if the republican party views this as an opportunity to unite, then the republican party will surprise virtually everybody in this town and once again become a dominant, more class-based, present.ed -- if it fails to do this, we 16-20-year reign of the democratic party until the republican party remakes itself in its image, and we should expect many conservative intellectuals to discover the wonderful seafood of auckland, new zealand. ms. bowman: thank you.

any thoughts on the solo democratic party? mr. ornstein: well, if file well, ifr. olsen: faust were a democrat -- [laughter] mr. olsen: their day of reckoning is coming as well, which is to say there are partyts in the democratic that are equally irredentist and irreconcilable. the sort of people that say barack obama is a sellout -- the people that will never be satisfied with anything except. he. won't come right now, but that is coming for the democrats. -- except purity. that day one, now, but that day is coming for the democrats. ms. bowman: thank you. norman, let me ask you about

something donald trump said last night. he said ted cruz has a great future. do you agree? mr. ornstein: ted cruz, who called donald trump pathological then serially immoral, and pulled the venereal disease card, which leads people to believe there is a new phrase -- meaning to the phrase "feel the to think about what happens if trump loses and there is a struggle for the soul of the party that henry is talking about. then you will see a number of factions. cruz lost so badly in indiana and had to pull out, place as the leader

of the goldwater wing. we keep losing because we nominated these moderates like mccain and romney, and now we nominated a liberal like trump, but so many will have to pick up that baton. if trump loses, and especially if we see this movement that is likely to fall apart, of having an independent candidate -- the theory being that if you have a real conservative running out there, at least republicans will turn out and vote down ballot. if that happens, then trump is going to say another conspiracy of the elite destroyed me, i would have won otherwise, and the populist forces will have some traction. and the third force, which may be the weakest, is the establishment leaders in congress and the party as a whole that failed so badly to this point. no one should take comfort in this kind of structure.

democracy does not work unless parties two vibrant that could compete. i would just say it is not a healthy thing. say you have a party that is the donald trump party, and given his hair, maybe we should change the name to the wh ig party. [laughter] mr. ornstein: those that listen to my colleagues should compare it to the drivel that dominates most of cable television dialogue, and i want to give a shout out to karlyn, heather sims, carolyn -- eleanor o'neill , who put these sessions together and work to decide what we're going to talk about. we are very proud to be part of this election watch series. so, with that, what is going to happen down ballot? obviously, this is a really

difficult year for republicans in the senate. we knew that going into it and we know the rhythm of senate elections. it was up -- it was who was up six years ago, the numbers work very much against republicans this time, 24 senate seats, 10 democrats. because of the wave that occurred six years ago that means you've got a lot of republicans who are naturally vulnerable. they are in blue states. there are seven of them and then there are others. and it means the democrats survived a difficult election and you're not going to find many vulnerable there. what has happened now with trump and with the discord inside the republican party is that the number of seats that are now in play on the republican side has expanded. and it has expanded for a number of reasons. it was striking to me yesterday that mark salter who has been a