campaign 2016 and the influence of money in politics. [applause] president obama: can i get some water? [laughter] ♪ host: president went to flint, michigan yesterday to my drink the filtered water and told michigan residents that it was a corrosive attitude that led to the flint water crisis. good morning, everyone. we begin this morning on the washington journal with president obama's visit and the situation there in flint, michigan. if you are a democrat, 202-748-8000. on the republican line, 202-748-8001. independent, 202-748-8002.

if you live in michigan, we have a fourth line for you this morning. 202-748-8003. good morning, everyone. phone lines are open. front page of the detroit news with the headline "obama fosters hope, but flint fears remain." the detroit free press, "president obama saying i've got your back." [video clip] do notnt obama: i believe that anybody consciously wanted to hurt the people in flint. this is not the place to sort out every screwup that resulted in contaminated water. i do think there is a larger issue that we have to acknowledge.

that part ofthink what contributed to this crisis was a broader mindset, a bigger attitude a corrosive that exists in our politics and exists into many levels of our government. -- in too many levels of our government. [applause] president obama: a mindset that believes that less government is the highest good, no matter what. a mindset that says environmental rules designed to keep your water clean or air optional or not that important. or unnecessarily burdens

businesses or taxpayers. an ideology that undervalues the , says we are all on our own and what is in it for me and how do i do welcome a but i will not invest in what we need that's how do i what is in it for me and how do i do well, but i will not invest in what we need is a community. president obama yesterday in flint, michigan talking about what he believes led to the situation with the water. diane in pennsylvania. independent. what you think of what happened in flint, michigan? caller: i think it is just an

example of what is happening all over the country. money --not have the host: are you there? i think we lost her. don't have the money to deal with infrastructure problems. what do you think? phone lines are up. a bit from "detroit free press." president obama arrived on wednesday nearly four months after he declared a state of emergency while congress continues to debate whether the federal government should help finance the removal of lead leaching pipes. candice miller proposed $1 billion in federal aid. she believes democrats keeping

the blame on republican governor the snyder has hindered chances of a gop run congress sending more federal aid. what do all of you think about that? should the federal government play a role in replacing these pipes. let's listen to what the governor had to say yesterday. he also spoke before michigan residents. there was some bowing at the beginning.

booing at the beginning. [video clip] governor snyder: good afternoon. begin -- good afternoon. it me begin by saying understand why you are angry and frustrated. today to come here apologize, to say i am sorry and i will fix this. for uss an opportunity to focus in on understanding that we need to work together. we have a short-term water crisis that needs to be repaired.

we have a long-term issue about building a stronger city of flint, to create job opportunities for everyone. and tellto come here you you did not create this problem, government failed you. i will apologize and i will work hard to fix that. stagethe governor on talking to residents of flint, michigan when he said government failed you. some saying "you failed us." we told you about candice miller in the detroit news article saying it is the federal government's responsibility to step in because the epa knew f for months-- knew

that flint water was going untreated. a lot of people think it is pork and don't want to be seen as adding to the deficit.

ronald in hammond, indiana. a democrat. you have to turn the tv down. conrad in florida. a republican. good morning to you. --ler: i don't understand every time an american city's schools -- there is always a gimme. if they say they need money for iraq, no questions asked. there is a war in the united states of america in these cities. we are the wealthiest country in the world.

problemould be no getting pipes fixed. they have money for this, but they don't have the money for that. send a lobbyist to washington, they get whatever they want. we need the army to be replacing pipes. no-brainer. i'm so glad trump became the nominee. we can fix this nonsense. if you are not a lobbyist, the people get nothing. come on, the water supply? we should not have to go through all this. we are the greatest country in the world. anytime the country and the schools need something, we can get nothing from these elected officials. host: tony in florida. independent. caller: i agree with president obama.

snyder says it is the government telling us. -- failing us. he needs to be fired. kids andthousands of mothers and fathers and human like a thirds is world country. it is ridiculous. if snyder runs again, i don't think he is going to win. when you hear a republican say andant to prioritize this that, michigan is a perfect example. repressive republicans learn hardly. host: this is from "the guardian." the water crisis is a shadow on president obama's legacy.

take a strong stand against those in his administration who fail to keep people safe?

david in madison heights, michigan. democrat. what the you think that's what do you think of the guardian think of what do you the guardian saying the president should take response ability? completelyis a republican run state. they did it, they should pay for it, they should be executed.

the only good republican is a dead republican. host: what about the role of the epa in all this? we lost david. in houston, hassan texas. before, ite i said overall lackof the of our spending any money on infrastructure in this country. whether it is bridges, schools, -- wefor water or gas have explosions here and there. we are not spending any money on infrastructure. it is a big neglected part of our economy. we spend trillions of dollars on wars.

we have 170 basis throughout the world. why are we spending so much money on defense? on ourld be spending it people. better bridges, better citizens. i don't want a street with potholes. debt to thelf is in pensions ofnded firemen and policemen. , infrastructure is just unbelievably crumbling. we should be spending more money on that. host: stephen in michigan. a democrat. what did you think of the visit?nt possibly at's

caller: it is all fine and dandy, but you have republicans who come in here, move and pollute at will -- last summer, i was enjoying the most pristine water on the planet. e, snyder has hired some rain stufftractor to down on people, grandmothers and children scrambling to their cars because they are spraying this toxic gunk off the bridge. deq and askl the them if we abandoned the clean water act. i don't even know what the stuff was. they were blowing it off and did crap about the

people below the bridge. when you appoint emergency managers who don't know what they're doing, they ignore the epa. have been telling them for 2.5 years. this started years back. his loot and pollute policy has to go. as what isr happening on capitol hill, the detroit news also reporting that as earlye could vote as next week on the $9.4 billion water resources development act.

that is some of the action that could be happening on capitol hill. a 36 member freedom caucus has been pushing house speaker paul ryan for spending cuts beyond the compromised federal budget agreement that john boehner struggled for. that legislation could face hurdles on the house side. the west michigan lawmaker who criticize the state's role in argues statesis government should cap a nearly $600 million reserve fund to pay for flint's needs.

teresa in new jersey. a republican. we are talking about what happened in flint. welcome to the conversation. go ahead. are you there? caller: yes. i am referring to a couple days what doesomeone said americans come first mean to you. this is part of it. we have no business in spending money's on things that other places and other people -- when our own people are being neglected. here, our own neglect is hurting our children. terrorist,done by a it would be a massive thing. we are not watching our own. we had a politician say the other day -- he was in new york

and the subway systems there were terrific, beautiful, pristine. our subways are not kept up. our bridges are not kept up. our people should come first. when these politicians get together, they don't have their priorities where they belong. i'm so happy that trump has gotten in. host: you think donald trump will handle this situation differently? how so? caller: i think he can handle it better. he will do it best. maybe he cannot do it all in a day, but he will try. our politicians are so stuck in , getting their little perks and stuff, that is all they are interested in. we will get two more phone calls. let's talk about campaign 2016

as well. this is from the wall street journal. the map looks daunting for the gop. since 1990 to come every democratic nominee has won a solid chunk of 18 states and the district of colombia. since 1992, every democratic nominee.

then, you have this also in the wall street journal this morning. the front runners winning, but unpopular. donald trump and hillary clinton would start the election with more tarnished images than any other nominees in recent history. morningyork times this come over the last two days, more than 70 republican governors messengers them officials and donors -- ,epublican governors, senators representatives, officials and donors were contacted for comments about donald trump. also this in the washington post

that says there are many republicans who say they will not support donald trump. others will stay out of the race, including george h.w. bush and george w. bush. they have no plans to endorse trump. says he brian sandoval plans to vote for trump despite their disagreements on some issues. in the state of arizona, senator john mccain is running for his sixth term in the senate. politico was able to get audio of him at a recent event can with talking about the damage donald trump could do to him in his reelection efforts. [video clip] >> i do not take my primary

opponent lightly. i'm working hard -- if it is with 30%ump in arizona of the voting the hispanic vote, i have no doubt this may be the race of my life. people are angry, upset. element --ere is an trumprst wedge donald gave was built the wall, rapists, murderers, etc. whoou have friends of yours listen to or watch hispanic , it is all anti-trump. is unrestic community in the way i have never seen in

30 years. this will be a tough campaign for me. host: democrats are scrambling toshift trump's triumph tteat came as ayo told local media she would --port

withpicture of her face the words "face of a dog" written by at. -- by it. >> will you drop to your knees? you wouldn't have your job if you weren't beautiful.

>> i will support the candidate, regardless. that political ad created by the democratic challenger in that senate race. in the new york times this morning, "what i got wrong about donald trump." all thethrough different factors that led to donald trump getting the nomination. the amount of candidates in the race, the sheer number of them waiting to see who would emerge as the strongest contender. donald trump had weak opponents like jeb bush and mr. rubio. blue state republicans had typically gone for establishment

candidates, but this time around, blue state republicans -- did not go for the establishment. they could not count on these voters. instead, they were trump's strongest backers in the end. above all else, they were overconfident about their numbers. on "washington journal ," we will talk more about that. mary in michigan. a democrat there. what are your thoughts on the situation? caller: i live not too far from

flint. i have lived there since 1966. there's chemical companies and .il fields on some of my property at one time. i cannot get any good drinking water. , one of the rivers was polluted by the chemical company. both my grandsons got cancer from playing in that river when they were young. they both got cancer at 21. that cattle lying in the fields from drinking water out there. dead cattle.

they've tried to sell their crops, their produce around this and could not even do it, detroit.hipped them to host: who is responsible, do you think? caller: i think it is the chemical companies and the oil companies. they sell an oil company to somebody else so they will not have to clean it up. then, they charged the people for the cleanup because they do not own it anymore. in andans the epa comes has to clean it all up on our tax money.

in new york. a democrat as well. good morning. caller: good morning, greta. happy cinco de mayo. i usually have a lot of respect for the party as an institution, but they are way off on this. the republicans have been -- this is what you get. bernie sanders has been saying the need months about hi for infrastructure. this has been going on since forever. republican,ct a this is what you are going to get. deregulation, saving money at all costs, even

at the cost of the taxpayers. i have to agree with donald trump on that one aspect of his campaign. our infrastructure is horrible. yet, bernie has been talking about this for far longer. it is important that people wake up. host: you are supporting bernie sanders? caller: correct. host: in our last hour, we will ask people, who could you not vote for in november? praised donald trump. could you switch parties and vote for donald trump over hillary clinton? because overall, i believe the democrats have a better platform. they are more consistent in their policies in regard to the people. host: d in florida.

o-- don in florida. independent caller. everybody is trying to blame president obama for this. president obama cannot come into a state and run the state. governor rick snyder did this. he takes responsibility. they were getting water from this lake -- believe this is governor snyder's problem, president obama cannot go in and run a state, should he have even gone to flint, michigan? caller: he can go there and find out what is going on. but he cannot walk into a state and say do this and do that.

we know this is not constitutional. when it comes to helping out the people, he doesn't want to help the people. weeakened theve epa. they cut funding from the epa, they cut people from the epa. cannot cut and organization and set you have to do something. -- say you have to do something. i don't really care for both parties. but, if i had to vote, my man is bernie. i will have to vote for hillary. you all better educate yourselves. republicans are pulling a blind

over your eyes. host: catherine in oklahoma. a republican. this back to take where it all began. isn't the mayor upland a democrat? where was he? flint a of went a democrat? we don't have money for infrastructure. we've got too many people over here having five or six kids when they know they cannot afford them. we have so much money going out. 22 military guys and a committing suicide because they cannot have mental health. there is no money. -- 22 military guys a day

committing suicide. why don't the illegals stay in mexico and make their country better? you have hispanic kids on the " outts saying "f trump loud. shouldn't they have been in school that day? host: politico with a story about the passing of bob bennett. he died wednesday night due to complications from pancreatic cancer and a stroke. website, to c-span's he's made 644 appearances on c-span. front page of usa today this over thetsa frets summer surge and begs the federal government for overtime cash.

lawmakers who object blocked the move. the tsa would use the money for overtime toficers work longer hours at high-volume airports. michelle obama along with dr. are writing a joint piece in the wall street journal this morning. veterans with job skills, america needs. today, more than 50 american companies and organizations from small startups to multinational are pledging to higher when hundred 10,000 e 110,000-- hir

veterans and their spouses. about the fire burning in alberta, canada. the smoke rose on tuesday from a wildfire raging. the entire population has been ordered to evacuate. 76,000 people. it is a remote town at the hub oilsandsuntry's industry. also in the paper, rescue mission in iraq led to u.s. casualty. eene died.e k he was trying to save other american service members in iraq assisting the curd fighters --

kurdish fighters there. the keati grandson of ng 5 financier. he sat down with c-span, took 6, 1990, i on may believe. answering phone calls from viewers about the situation there. partial truth in syria. doubts persist. with thehe latest peace deal in syria.

gary in the week, maryland -- gary in bowie, maryland. independent. with this flint, michigan situation here, the president made it clear yesterday this is not man-made. bad -- aposition, a decision, a bad decision made by officials. the governor and his team of decisionade a horrible and it cost the citizens of michigan. when it comes to populated areas where there are poor people, no one ever fact checks anything? they don't give a damn about the people.

this is what transpired. the governor did not care about those people. had he cared about those citizens in michigan, he would have fact checked everything and not gone to some polluted area that gm and all those manufacturers were dumping crap into the waters there for years. host: this piece in the washington times from yesterday. theunited nations saying flint water crisis may trigger racism investigations.

the white house was not aware of the development. katie in athens, georgia. a democrat. caller: somebody mentioned earlier, bernie sanders has been talking about infrastructure for decades. earlier, younfused were talking about trump and hillary and what people are saying about them. bernie is not out of this race yet. we are hoping to take it to the democratic convention. it will be a contested convention. i don't think people should count him out just yet.

host: raymond in southfield, michigan. a democrat. all, thisrst of governor should be in jail. this is part of what republicans having a governor who is a businessman -- see, businessmen only deal in the bottom line. they don't care about people. the call earlier about the mayor flint -- the governor emergency managers, taking the power away from mayor. host: let me give you another

headline this morning in the papers. bathroom bill violates civil rights according to the u.s. justice department. giving the governor until monday to pledge that he will walk away from the law which justice department officials say violates civil rights. before we take this last call this morning on president obama saying a corrosive attitude led to what happened in flint, michigan, an update on the investigation there.

the flint city worker who was one of the three people charged last month has agreed to cooperate with investigators in exchange for reduced charges. on wednesday, prosecutors throughout the tampering charge and he pled no contest to the misdemeanor on the condition he continue to cooperate with officials. mr. glasgow did report to the government, the water situation. jerry in jacksonville, florida. an independent. caller: i think it is both they want to blame the republicans, republicans want to blame the democrats.

state and a city -- they are at fault. the epa is definitely at fault. the epa was started because states and cities were not doing their job. one other thing -- is c-span going to spend this month cutting donald trump? breakwe will take a short . when we come back, we turn our attention to opioid addiction. becky vaughn from the national council for behavioral health will be here to talk about what her group and others are doing to put forward legislation to address the crisis. later, the president of citizens united joins us to talk about the influence of money in politics. ♪

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for the complete american history tv weekend schedule, go to www.c-span.org. >> "washington journal" continues. host: becky vaughn is the vice president of the national council for behavioral health. here to talk about your group and others lobbying for opioid legislation. what is your group and what is the aim of your group? guest: the national council for behavioral health has been around for years. we are the unifying voice of organizations who provide prevention and treatment across the country. we focus on advocacy, both national and helping our state members practice improvement initiatives to make sure our organizations are providing the highest quality of service is possible. and making sure we have been adequate workforce -- an adequate workforce. as we see new demand for

treatment services, we know we have to have an adequate workforce. host: is that what you are hoping gets past by the federal government or at the state level? guest: everywhere. there is some state response ability as well. we are focused on a lot of the opioid legislation going through the house right now. host: first, you've seen the headlines -- the opioid addiction, 21.5 million americans 12 or older. 1.9 million involving prescription pain relievers. 586,000 involving heroin. 47,000 lethal drug overdose deaths. 19,000 overdose deaths

related to prescription pain relievers. prescriptions, 259 million written in 2012. than enough to give every american their own bottle of pills. new hair when users started out using prescription painkillers. -- new heroin users. guest: when you look at the entire addiction and problems with that and the fact that people are not getting treatment, the numbers are even tougher. we see a direct correlation between the number of prescriptions written in the number of overdose deaths. as we keep raising that number of prescriptions, we continue to see the desk go up. -- deaths go up. host: fda panel urges opioid training for doctors. an advisory panel to the fda

overwhelmingly endorsed mandatory training for doctors who prescribed opioid painkillers. the doctors have not had all the training they need. it is not that we can point the finger at doctors and say this is their fault. they are trying to relieve pain and we understand that. they have not gotten the information in terms of what that means, particularly for people with chronic pain. in the whole addiction field, the more you use a drug, the less effective it becomes. you have to use more and more and that is what they are finding out. that is how you end up with a brain change. it is a serious disease where the brain changes and you are fighting against your brain. the brain does not care if you eat or sleep or anything.

that is a pretty rough battle. host: how much more are we talking about? summit he starts out using x. how quickly does it increase? guest: a lot of it depends on the level of pain. it does not take long at all. when you are misusing and not using it as directed, it does not take long at all for the brain to get this change going, realizing i like this stuff, get me more. that is when you need the treatment to come in to heal the brain. you have to get to the point where you are not using the substances anymore and using some new tools to deal with the things that got you there in the first place. the fourth line for you this morning, 202-748-8003. we hope you will share your

stories with us. first, what is happening on capitol hill? guest: there are a lot of things. the most important thing happening on capitol hill is this idea of looking at a comprehensive solution. you have to look at it from prevention and recovery support. there is a supply reduction side we work on in terms of trying to stop the access to these drugs. the most important thing is to reduce the demand. addictionhensive recovery act that passed in the senate has looked at all those pieces. , treatment, making -- it is like a jingo

game -- jenga name. you pull one thing out and the whole thing collapses. their goal is to wrap that up into a bill that is competence of. -- comprehensive. each house has to do their thing. we are confident what comes out of congress will still include all those elements. host: what is the timeline for something to get to the president's desk? guest: the house is on a strong timeline. they say they will take it up next week when they come back from break. their goal is to get it to conference. we are hoping for something to head to the president's desk in june. host: david in massachusetts. an independent. caller: i see i called on the wrong line. i should have called on the

202-748-8003 line come experience with opioids. i have been in chronic pain since 2007. me i on, my doctor told needed to be very careful with the medication. prescribed,e it as otherwise, i would get a big tolerance and it would become useless. so, i did that. i have been very careful. the doses stayed low. , i'm disabled now -- one thing that helps me is a tens unit. it is not a drug, it is an electrical impulse that tells your brain that the pain is not there but medicare has said you cannot use that, we are not going to pay for it. because get acupuncture it is not covered.

therapy get any massage because it is not covered. all these nondrug related items, i cannot get. yet, they help. it would be great if i could get them. there is a flip side of the coin here. we need pain relief and yet, the only thing we can get is drugs. host: have you heard similar stories? guest: you make a very good point. this is another advocacy issue. as we move away from the drugs and many of the guidelines that are coming out are urging people , wese these other therapies have to do more advocacy with medicare and other payers to help them understand that these -- help people stay up these very harmful drugs. -- off these very harmful drugs.

people need to be reaching out to their insurance. we will be talking to them about making sure these other therapies are covered. thank you for calling attention to this because you are absolutely right. host: jeff in fleetwood, pennsylvania. republican. caller: thank you for taking my call. i'm involved with a national organization called the families for help -- looking for additional therapies , such as the use of an extract from hemp. wondering if your organization is interested in cannabis -- a study looking at the effects of cannabis in legal states on those who are using opioids.

drop inesulted in a 25% the use of we all know there needs to be research on this and i am wondering if you're looking at that as another alternative? guest: definitely. we are encouraging more research on cannabis and how it can be help full. this is separate to me from the whole issue of whether marijuana should be legalized, but we are always interested in research and our federal research folks are also interested in how we can get some better information because right now, we do not have good research on this. there has been a lot of what you say, anecdotal stories, this kind of thing, but we are interested in seeing good research done through the national institute of drug abuse. host: gary is a republican in virginia. caller: good morning.

thanks for paying your cable bill. that a lote to say of people go over and start using heroin because they cannot get their pain pills or as many as they want, and in america, we always try to make the wheel. in switzerland, they legalized terror when -- they legalized heroin. 6% second year, it went up and the third year, 3%, but the fourth year, it dropped by 16%, and every year since then, it has gone down 1% or a fraction of 1%. the reason is people see it as a dead-end path if you are using heroin. in this country, we spend billions of dollars making it illegal, having all kinds of army is going out and facing

down poppy fields and we are just wasting so much money. it would be a lot easier and cheaper if we just legalized it .nd let the doctors dispense it that is what i have to say. host: that was gary. in albany,ocrat georgia. is it albany? caller: the order be owed -- the opioid situation in this ,ountry, as far as i can tell it has been an issue since the 1950's. down or stopthis it completely, whichever, however you choose, but we have to do this war on drugs.

sometimes they use the military to try to take those prescription drugs or other drugs. i am hoping the fda researchers and well, but sometimes it doesn't look like they do. these drugs have been around for quite some time to relieve pain, and some people, like one of what we call are chronic pain and we will have it the rest of our lives. we might die with it. host: what do you think? guest: that is true. yes, we do not like to talk about the war on drugs anymore. a lot of things that came as a result of that work not only not helpful but harmful. the war on drugs really very quickly became the war on people who use drugs. that has not helped. we have criminalized it, put people in prisons, jails, and none of that helps in terms of helping people get the services they need.

right now, we are treating about 20% of the people who need help, and that would be ridiculous when you think about diabetes, hypertension or anything like that, only 20% getting services. these are all important. we are learning more every day about how to do this. yes, chronic pain is here and we need to make sure that we are not leaving people and situations of dealing with that kind of pain without help. we have got to find a better way to do it then the first step team to write a prescription. host: in washington, independent, good morning. go ahead. i have excruciating leg and hip pain. it has been going on for 12 years. finally, i am going to do the hip replacement in a few weeks. -- ixcruciating pain

cannot even get the pain treated. you are treated like a criminal. they delay doing the surgery or they don't do the surgery that i so i am in ag, catch-22. that cannoting pain get treated, what do you do? guest: it is a problem. i think we are trying to figure that out because our first line of attack on this over the years has been to use these opioids. now we are trying to figure out if there are other ways to help people like you, who are in chronic pain, who do need help with that, and as the caller said earlier, there are other things to do. we just need to make sure that doctors and other health caregivers are trained and understand what these other therapies are. i am so sorry about your pain,

and we do need to figure out ways to help in terms of your situation. host: he mentioned hip pain and that is what prince suffered from. the headlines in the paper this morning, medical intervention to help prince did not occur in time. there was a doctor who was planning to me with prince. his staff decided that needed to be a medical intervention. how often does this happen? explain the challenge with a medical intervention with somebody who is addicted and who may not see it. guest: these stories happen too often. the idea that it was one day or so off is even more heartbreaking and disturbing, but it does happen. unfortunately, so many people are still living in this stigma of, oh, my gosh, i have an addiction and i cannot tell anybody and i don't know what to do, so things get worse before people ultimately finally seek help, and there is help. we have some great medications

now that help people get off of these opioids. that help them manage to get their life back in order and be able to manage, but people often do not know about them. they do not know whether insurance will cover them. i talk to parents all the time who do not know what to do about the child because it is totally unclear. they cannot talk to other people. there is still this overwhelming that parents produce kids who use drugs, so that is what keeps people, even like prince, from seeking the help they need quickly enough to keep it from getting worse. the help you need inpatient or can it be outpatient? guest: we have wide for ideas. we have assessment tools to help people figure out what level of care they need. outpatient may work fine for some people, particularly if they have a supportive place to live. inpatient, if the addiction is to that level, they may need inpatient or what we call residential treatment to get out

of their environment and totally focus on that, but that is the good news. this is like any other thing. if you went in with another condition, we would have the assessment tools and know-how to treat it but we are not. that is the heartbreaking part when people like this die when it could have been averted so easily now with what we know and the tools we have. host: which type of doctor can prescribe painkillers? guest: painkillers? just about any doctor can prescribe painkillers. need morey we training on that thing. we have other doctors who can prescribe these drugs, did the trawl and some of these that will help people, and they made special training in order to do that, and there is legislation around that, how many patients to see, those types of things, but that is part of what is going on on capitol hill. host: and the fda saying they need to make it mandatory to get the training before they make it

a mandate. that is the piece you wrote that doctors will only change prescriptions it payers mandate the new guidelines. what do you mean payers mandated and what are the guidelines? is paying for this, or the insurance, medicare, we see that they will have to mandated because doctors are overwhelmed with all the things they have to do. they will change their behavior if that means getting reimbursed, said the cbc guidelines will be implemented if the payers insist on it -- the cdc guidelines of the implemented if the payers insist on it. host: grant, you are next. caller: it is a pleasure. nice to see ladies is wanted. i would like to start off by saying that the captain of the ship is responsible for everything that goes on in that ship, regardless of what it is, and we obviously have a problem with our doctors and drug

companies, this, that and the other, but that is controlled by the captain of the ship. that would be the current administration, regardless what anybody says. i think the main problem is like you were saying earlier, we have and we need to get off this before it leads to other things. inpatient.initely by now, or use the prisons as an inpatient, which it works, but they are getting no counseling while they are in theire. straighten out, had been in care system across the an in care system across the country that deals

with resolving the problem. host: ok, becky vaughn, the cost of in care patients across the country. guest: we know experience -- we have hadand experience that not everyone needs in care patient and outpatient works beautifully for many people, and that is the majority of our system. do we have enough inpatient beds? that can be debated, and we have problems with inpatient beds. it is called the imd exclusion, which keeps medicare from paying for some of that, but unfortunately, all of this has brought this to light in a way that people are starting to look at it. i feel extremely helpful. -- extremely helpful. this has been building for a long time. as soon as people started changing prescribing habits and using it for chronic pain, it has been building up.

it is not an overnight problem and will not be fixed, but this has brought focus on the whole issue of addiction in this country and how big it is and what the problem it is and how we need the services for people if we are actually going to see change. drugs that people can use when they are seeking therapy to counter their addiction to the painkiller, what does it do for the chronic pain? on what isepends going on. in many ways, not only does the drug help ring them off the opioid, but very often new therapies will be introduced to help with the pain, so it depends -- of course, we have many people addicted to opioids that do not have chronic pain. there are different things going on and that we just need to help them get off of them and find new tools to help them with whatever they are trying to deal with. host: richard is in florida. good morning. caller: good morning.

thank you for taking my call. off of theed a fall ladder in 2005 after hurricanes hit us, and i got a compression fracture on my vertebrae. nothing this lady is saying would [indiscernible] me except for an injection because i was in other agony. she says we have to find of their ways to help people but she doesn't specify. when i was growing up in south florida across all vines would take aspirin and coke. that was a great way to get a certain kind of hide. i guess we should ban aspirin. i really suggest that she looked up, and she probably does not know dr. talbot, who is a recognized expert, worldwide,

inc. addiction, and from what she is telling me and we don't have time to get into it, that she doesn't really understand addiction. i have had percocet for knee replacement surgeries, and i have never had problems stopping. i have never had a desire to get it or use it. addiction is simply a lot more of a complex issue then being physically addicted by use. what she is doing is typical of the government. one-size-fits-all. tot she is doing this going non-effective treatment for severe pain that a lot of people experience and they are made to feel a criminals and the time they take a prescription into a drug store now to get even percocet or some other way someng and it is -- or other opioid and it is sad this is the way we are going currently do have a problem with addiction, but the way congress isacting and people like her

really going to affect a lot of people in pain that she has no clue about. thank you. host: let's give her a chance to respond. guest: i hear you. i do know dr. talbot. they do great work there. one of the many providers across the country who does really good treatment work and we are not saying that these should not be used anymore. the only thing we are advocating is that it not be necessarily the first line of attack of any kind of pain. we just that there are many therapies. an earlier caller talked about many things that can help, whether it be acupuncture, massage, physical therapy, so there are other things. we know that these drugs are great, powerful. my daughter had ankle surgery and they were wonderful in terms of helping pain after that. we are just concerned that if it is the first thing that doctors use, that is what is adding to

the problem with people been getting addicted to it. i do understand addiction. i do understand that it is much more than the physical dependence. that is subtly talk about how when we get people off of this, we talk about other tools that people can use to manage their life, to manage whatever is going on. addiction is a huge thing beyond physical dependence, but the physical dependence is a big piece of this and it is important that we are looking at the whole portion, all the way around, integrated with primary care so that we hope that person with whatever their needs are. host: the cdc guidelines on when and how to prescribe a painkiller, is it going to slow the process down for patients who are suffering from chronic pain? guest: there have been talks about that. doctors are concerned with, do i have to try this other stuff? we do not want to get into a

failed first situation. we are ready have that with addiction where some people did the lowest thing and then they failed at that and we do not want that to happen with them. pain is pain. we just need people to make sure that they are fully educated on what the options are, and we hear this from doctors all the time, the feeling is that they are not fully educated on what all the options are. i hope it will not slow it down. obviously, there are many pieces that go with the cdc guidelines, but we want to make sure that the patient to will benefit from these will get it and the patients who will benefit from other therapies will also get that. host: our doctors telling you they're concerned about malpractice lawsuits? guest: i have not heard that personally, but you have probably read some of the same articles where they're concerned about that with if in terms of a prescribed this and someone gets addicted, they come back. we live in this almost crazy liability world right now, so people worry about all kinds of things like that.

i can understand why doctors might concerned about that. we had the caller say that they have used inappropriately and not had a problem with it and that is most important, to monitor people on it and they should they are using it appropriately, even if it comes to drug screens to make sure it is being used appropriately. host: harriet's next from florida, republican. good morning. caller: good morning. i went to to you about my personal life. i am a 67-year-old man in relatively good shape very tight bike and swim. i have been off and on with opioid addictions. in the 1970's and 1980's, i would take up to one dozen percocet just to get high. lsd, i did all kinds of drugs. then i went to a life-changing event where i had to quit everything, including cigarettes, that was 1985, i stopped everything. the thing that i missed most in 1985 with the cigarettes.

inn i had knee replacements the 1990's and i started to get back on the opiates. the reason i'm calling you was to tell you that today's opiates are not your grandpa. they put something different in these pills because even though i am only doing one or two a day, i cannot quit these things. i cannot get to sleep without these new opiates that they make today. just like they did with the cigarettes, they put it chemical and cigarettes to make them so addictive. they have done something to these pills to make them -- i can tell you from experience because i am 67 years old and i remember back in the 1980's. i used to do a dozen the day of these things and had no problem quitting them in 1985 and someone should look into it. host: let me ask, do you feel like you are managing your addiction? guest: absolute -- caller: absolutely. i take enough to get through the day and i often get through with one pill. sometimes 1.5, but i break them into quarters.

i think the fact that these doctors prescribed for a day is insanity. i deplore these -- i'd be a basket case. it is a different opiate than it was 30 years ago. guest: first, congratulations that you were able to quit what you are doing in 1985 and do not manage what you are doing. i cannot state to whether they really changed. i am sure companies could maybe explain that better than i could. i do know that we have got enough research to know that people in different ages and stages in the life react differently to many of these things. that could be some of what is going on with the up. pharma companies could certainly explain better weather it is the actual chemical makeup that has changed the point where it does make a difference, but congratulations on how you are from 1980's. host: bethany, democrat. caller: this is a good

discussion. opiates were being imported with opioids inhina, so society and not a new problem. what is a new problem is the oxycontin and synthetic opioids that they push on this. harry is probably right that these are much more powerful. the fda gave approval to oxycontin under false pretenses. they said it was going to be known to be one of the nonaddictive painkillers available but they all have addiction potential. ga thation, it is the sets the number of how many pills can be produced. the drug enforcement agency authorizes that 14 billion, 10 million grams of oxycontin pills

can be produced each year. even if doctors in new york are writing 250 million prescriptions, that does not million pills. guest: greta pointed that out earlier that we are writing up for everyone in the united states to have their own bottle of pills which is out of whack in terms of what the need is. part of that is because there is a lot of abuse going on. there are a lot of pill mills around where people can get doctors to write prescriptions. there are many things in process now to deal with things like people stealing prescription pads, forging, so there is a lot going on that increases the number other than just doctors writing legitimate prescriptions. even if you take all of that out and you just look at that legitimate prescription, we are way above any of the other countries in the world, so

something is going on. it is not reasonable to think that americans have so much more pain than the rest of the people in the world that we would need all of these prescriptions. we think that it is just the first line of attack on someone who has had chronic pain, and we need to be looking at other therapies. host: is this addiction crisis primarily happening in the united states? guest: it is more here than any other place. we see this direct correlation between the addiction, overdose, all of that with the writing of the prescriptions. they are out there and opioids have been around for a long time, but they are being used to family now. host: jonathan in new jersey, good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. host: go ahead. yeah, i am a recovering addict. you guys are naming all the baby drugs. [indiscernible]

-- tooing to impatient impatient and the moral of the story is the opioids or opiates, nowever you call them, are getting the opt opioid addiction . people in jail as criminals, i notice that the withuana, edibles do away pain and it is not easily addictive, but i just want to stay on my truck with my inpatient -- my drug with my inpatient. i am in new jersey. it is like a nazi state. you get top of the bag of heroin and you do time so i stay away from that.

think the pill mills in new jersey were back in the 1990's, takears ago, you could milligrams of oxycodone and the doctor stops prescribing them comes down ona all these people that really need them. host: ok, jonathan. guest: you are right. we need to find a balance. we went to measure the pills are still available to people who need them. anytime we end up with a crisis like this and we are in a crisis, it is easy to swing the pendulum too far back and make it difficult, so we do want to find a balance. i think this is something capitol hill is trying to figure out to how we balance the people who need these medications. congratulations on your work you are doing to get yourself into recovery. these are great drugs that help people do that you read we need

to mention that they are available, that housing is available, that all of these are available for people to get into recovery and maintain the recovery. host: do you still get high off of these drugs? the ones to get you off painkillers? think there iso a governor on it. it will only let you get so hard. all of these drugs that help people with opioids, yes, it helps maintain some of this but it will not let you get overly high. even when they are diverted, they will often use them to get to the next heroine, so it is even therapeutically used when they are diverted outside. we know that there is a problem. that people problem are now using because they cannot get the opioids anymore. it is too expensive, some has been laced with ethanol, so we have a lot of serious problems. if we want to reduce the demand

for the drugs, you got to make treatment available, make ship prevention is out there for the country,across which it is not by any means. one of the reasons they are using many of the opioids, in ir mind, kids see that they are legal, so that is what is in their minds. host: they are trying to let them understand the danger -- this from twitter, what our schools doing to make sure kids know from early on the danger of all mind altering drugs? fun thingused to have that went terribly school to make sure that these programs are available and we lost a lot of funding on that. any states put little funding and prevention, and we now know how important it is and we know it works. look how we fought the tobacco rate down in the country. it is because we convinced april that these things are harmful,

and the perception of harm is what plays into what people and what their behavior is, so we went to a community-based prevention, school-based prevention so that they understand every step these parties where pills are put in a bowl and people take them, not really knowing what they are and they are dead the next morning. this is what we want to stop. host: larry is next in richmond, texas. go ahead. caller: ok, i am a recovered drug at the from the early 1980's. i went through a program, but my problem is what do you people have to get in a conversation and an me and my doctor, and b conversation, telling me what i need? why are you more informed about my needs as an individual or anyone else in this government

that knows more about what i need then me and my doctor? get out of our lives. we us alone. -- leave us alone. let me except for the cancer quinces of being an addict -- let me suffer the consequences of being an addict. guest: i understand and i do not want to get in between you and your doctor and i do not know any more about your needs then you do, but we want to measure doctors are educated in terms of all of the options that are there to help you manage whatever is going on with you. if they are not important and they just keep using the same thing and we have seen the ansequences of that, that is problem for everybody. that is a common good problem. we need to make sure, and i think that is the responsibility of the federal government, to make sure that doctors understand the consequences of some of these actions and what are other options are. i do not want to get between you and your doctor.

but i went to make sure your doctor knows as much as possible on how to work with you and treat whatever is going on with you. congratulations on your recovery. host: and d, maryland. democrat. -- andy from maryland. democrat. caller: when i was 17, i was in receivingaccident and prescription -- i got one prescription from the hospital and later went to my doctor to get a different prescription from him. i ended up taking both and i was probably pretty heavily addicted to pills, so i was in college, about 21, and i finally managed to quit cold turkey, which was horrific going through withdrawals. i had that symptoms for one week or so. it was a terrible experience. from a pain management perspective, one of the earlier callers mentioned marijuana, and -- i have chronic

pain still from that car accident -- that marijuana is much better at managing my pain without a lot of the side effects. i cannot do that anymore due to my job, so that is not an option . i have to take advil and hope said, ibest, but like i am 30, unfortunately, i have lost two friends through similar ended upes and they getting into pills. from that, they moved to heroine. it is an unfortunate thing. when you start doing pills, either the high is not enough anymore or it is hard to get, and then people switch to heroine and from there it is a quick downward spiral. host: i thought you were done. guest: i am glad to hear, congratulations on how you managed to quit using it. you did do it in the rough way.

we do have is your ways to do it now, but these stories are heartbreaking when you talk about your friends and what has -- ined when it is so mean, we can avoid these things, especially be make these services available and we make it clear that this is a health issue, not a criminal issue so that people are not afraid to come forward, not afraid to talk to their doctor, afraid to talk to someone to get the help they need because i am tired of these overdose deaths. i did not want to hear anymore. especially when it is just a lack of information and a lack of services for people to get what they need. that is the heartbreaking part. host: people can go to website, the national council.org to find out about treatments available. guest: absolutely. there are a lot of resources out there. we want to make sure they are available for everybody. host: becky vaughn, thank you.

guest: thanks for the opportunity to make more people educated and spread awareness. host: when we come back, we'll talk to the president of citizens united, david bossie, money and politics and the supreme court decision. we will be right back. ♪ >> this weekend, the c-span city tour, hosted by charter and time warner cable partners, takes you to san bernardino, california, for the literary culture of the city. on december 2, 2015, 14 people were killed and 22 were seriously injured in a terrorist attack at the inland regional center in san bernardino. we will talk with the congressman about the attack and recovery efforts. his district includes the inland regional center. terrorism,talk about

the fight against terror, it is not something that is abstract anymore. it is something that across the country means something because this is in a big city in san bernardino and this could happen anywhere. >> we will stick with san bernardino councilmember about establishing a permanent memorial for the victims of the attack. >> it provides a sense of remembrance and it highlights their lives and what they contributed to our local community, and it will always be near and dear for us to provide a place of consolation, serenity, so we are thinking a serenity garden or prayer chapel of some sort in and around the area. >> we will learn about the family of wyatt earp, his book talks about the notoriety and the connection december 19 oh. >> the connection that they have

to san bernardino county goes back to 1852 when the father of wyatt earp, who was the most arp, heown, nicholas e basically left his family temporarily. they were living in illinois. he heard about the gold rush in northern california. before he went back to the ventured down to seven california he passed through the san bernardino valley. he found that one day he would come back. tv, wemerican history will visit the railroad museum and talk about the importance of the railroad to san bernardino with the san bernardino historical society's vice president. the museum contains many objects related to the city's railroad history. >> construction was completed in 1918. it replaced the wooden structure

that was approximately 100 yards --t of here that were 1960 that was birthed in 1960. people decided to house the division headquarters at this location at that time. >> watch the c-span's city tour saturday at noon eastern on c-span2. on american history tv on c-span3. visiting cities across the country. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we are back with david bossie, michele coninsx --citizens united president. we were just talking about donald trump. you are friends with them and have known him for a long time. can he unite the republican party like the rnc chairman asked the republicans to do and get behind donald trump? guest: i think he will.

it is more imperative for every republican in the country. but the few supported donald trump or not in the primary process. who did not but they will come around. i go back to 2012, 2008 and 2000 when i was on the receiving end of the phone calls that said, you did not support mitt romney in the primary process, you did not support john mccain in the primary process, which i did not. i then came around and supported him. i was not for donald trump in this primary process. i was not against him but i did not endorse him. i would put my full support behind him because i know the alternative. for america, i believe it is imperative that donald trump win in november instead of hillary clinton. i think the clinton presidency is another four years of a disaster for america. paper -- from new

the newspaper, can donald trump scramble the map of reliable states? can he did this? guest: everybody has their own way of thinking of presidential politics. what donald trump has done is looked the table that the map was on over and arrested it up with an ax because he really puts states in play that have traditionally been in the democrat locked box. pennsylvania, michigan, ohio, which has gone back and forth, and there are a lot of blue-collar workers. reagan's reelected in 1984, my point is this, i do not believe that donald trump and ronald reagan are exactly alike, but in this area, the union leadership inoss the country came out

droves, in lockstep against ronald reagan and they happen and they will against donald trump. the union membership overwhelmingly supported ronald reagan in 1980. the blue-collar workers supported him and that is where they get into this reagan coalition talk. that is an important element because if you look at baltimore or in pittsburgh, these people are looking at donald trump and he is saying, we are going to make america great again. he is saying we are going to bring jobs back. we're going to get the steel industry working again. the average man and woman in america, who was trying to feed their family, union member or nonunion member, whether democrat or independent, are going to be looking at donald trump in a way that i think changes the perspective of the american voter. host: is there enough of them? guest: definitely.

host: an editorial says, trump reboot, impossible. they say the number of americans who have voted for him so far is only a percentage of eligible voters. guest: i don't know what that , i would in relation have to look at it in relation for this day per mitt romney and john mccain, so i do not know necessarily the answer to that or two that statistic, but i can tell you that he is bringing people out in droves. as we have seen in the primary process, and winning by big margins, so this is historically always a transition. whether it is a difficult transition to get behind mitt romney or john mccain, it happens every four years. i have watched it, lived it, and i am usually on the losing end. [laughter] as a conservative movement leader, i am always on the end of the stick and is being told,

suck it up and get behind the nominee. this year, look, is donald trump the perfect conservative vessel? no. where most of the other candidates, the 17 that were running originally, perfect conservative's? no, so there was always going to that we will not have a perfect vessel, so i will take the vessel we have. what donald trump as done in moving the needle on illegal immigration, on border security, on building the wall, on important issues that conservatives have been really trumpeting for years and years with no traction. we had been talking about immigration, illegal immigration, what border qaeda, isis get into the borders, and taking it seriously without really getting the needle to move, and donald

trump comes on the scene and he has been a service for the conservative movement on the position. as a "usa today" said that trump is bad for the republican party is saying a flood is bad for your basement. thee is resentment when party needs to attract minority voters. he demeans women when they are vital to the party's future. his intolerance turns off millennials and he labors under the opinion that he is in deep infatuation with himself is shared with by majority of his voters. how does he overcome his unfavorable rating? honest, primaries, when the end, there is always a pivot to the general election. historically. tothe way, i will get back your specific question, but it is interesting that no one in america, i think, thought that the anointed one, hillary clinton and the democratic nomination process would go past

the republican process. this is a world that is a little upside down on both sides, so she has her own problems. my point is that donald trump will have some blemishes when it goes toward the general election national election, but so does hillary clinton. when you see what you see, what donald trump did to his 17, 16 other opponents, and when you see what he did to run a very unconventional campaign, what you see about how he is able to personally deal with them, the opposition research that they dumped on him, and he turns it around. he is a guy who is unconventional, and hillary clinton has fought with peril to engageou decide donald trump, i see some things she is doing and try to marginalize him immediately and ignore him immediately and say,

oh, i am going to win because of his negatives but her negatives are just as high. to his 65%.mpared let's look at what the clinton campaign put together yesterday after the results in indiana. senator ted cruz drops out, john kasich drops out and here is what they said. [video clip] i am the unifier. we will be a unified party. ted cruz: he is a con artist. >> donald is a know nothing candidate. >> donald is a bully. >> i do not remember. blood coming out of that were of her. the man who seems to only feel a big review tries to make other people feel small. >> the man is utterly abbas. -- the sign of greed, showing off, misogyny,

third grade theatrics. >> count to 10, donald. levelis a narcissist at a i don't think this country has ever seen. >> he would not be the commander-in-chief we need. >> this guy is so unfit to be commander-in-chief. >> his domestic policies would lead to recession. >> his foreign policies would make the world less safe. >> i bring people together. everybody loves me. -- he needseric p therapy. ♪ host: according to the poll looking at november, hillary clinton is leading donald trump by 13%. what do you make of those republicans, their own words being used against him? guest: if you are hillary clinton, that is a powerful tool and that is what she will hang her hat on today. hillary clinton has her own problems, select talk about her for a second.

she is currently under investigation. it is not a partisan tool,igation, a political a congressional investigation. it is an investigation being conducted by career law fbi, department of justice and it has to do with her illegal setting up of the server and whether or not there were violations on the national security act and dealing with her e-mails. that investigation has now really rolled into a public corruption case, as we all know, and it has to do with the family foundation. corruption,re of the curly capitalism that the american people are tired of. to be quite honest with you, when donald trump over the last couple of weeks has said, i have not even begun to deal with hillary clinton yet, i think that is really where people should begin the conversation toause we saw what he did

jeb bush. we saw what he did to marco rubio. we saw what he did to all the other opponents, and i just think that she will be in for a fight. she is not necessarily prepared for it. if you look at what she has gone on with bernie sanders, she is not the best candidate. she is not herself comfortable as a candidate. she does not evoke confidence in her stanw. -- stance. she is a little uncomfortable in her own skin. when you put that weakness up against a personality like donald trump, there will be some problems. i think she should come -- she could come out on the short end. it is game on. host: updates on the clinton

server. catherine herridge with fox news has this story where a famous romanian hacker says he breached the clinton server and it was easy. also on the front page of "the washington times," into an aids will be deposed on the e-mail system that was set up and the judge leaves it open ended that hillary clinton herself could also be questioned. guest: to that exact point, i was the chief investigator for congress and the committee on government reform. before that, i worked on [indiscernible] ,here is an entire generation 18-30-year-old voters who have flocked to bernie sanders, but those very voters, hillary clinton will need them in november, they do not know hillary clinton. they do not know her background because they were not voting for her. some of them are not even alive,

so the clinton campaign is going to say, oh, the server issue is old news. that first thing is that is the first thing in the playbook, at the new here. they will say the same thing about things and deny it, whether it be the madison guaranty, whether it was her job at the law firm, the host of things that were the corruption of the 1990's, which many people went to prison, many were indicted, there were grand jury's and panels. we do not know if there is a grand jury today. we do not know, and that is why these stories about the upcoming depositions, a potential dead the park for of her, because if there is a grand jury, and you have clinton of a going in and out

grand jury, and may be herself, that is a game changer. host: let's get the calls. , president of citizens united, a conservative advocacy group with over 500,000 members and they seek to thesert the traditional in america -- traditional [indiscernible] in america. you are up first. caller: you're probably tired of sandersabout this, but is a joke. he got voted -- joke?snyder is a caller: yes, snyder is a joke. when he was voted in the office, we did not want him to tax the senior citizens pensions and what he did was supersede all of that. topic atid, that was a

the beginning this morning. we will move on to joe in florida, independent. we are talking with david bossie of citizens united. caller: we need to remove money out of politics on both parties, democrat and republican, because it destroys this country with corrupting the politicians. aboute with what he said donald trump. donald trump is doing very well because he once to do away with that and he has 12 million [indiscernible] according to the republicans, donald trump as 28 million. the question is, is donald trump going to deliver? he has a bad record in some other countries. he said he would bring thousands of jobs and the only brought like 150 or 250. host: so will he be able to follow through on his promises?

guest: donald trump has built a big business. in doing so, you higher and let go a lot's of people over the years. i think those stories will be fully vetted. i think his company is probably a topic of discussion across the country. i think he will stand up very well on the trump corporation. process, ifrimary they were real big issues that come out, they would have because that is the vetting process. there were 16 other candidates working to make sure it goes stories came out and they were there and i did not see them. he really is asking i think the underlying question of corruption and public corruption . it is easy to say that money corrupts a political system and it is horrible for americans and it makes you feel good to say

it, but there is no evidence to on both good people sides, democrats and republicans, would get besmirched, who come to washington to try to do the right they, whether i agree with them ideologically or not is unfair because there is no evidence, there is still evident to say these people are bought and paid for. here not have tammany hall , we don't have public corruption trials with members of congress, the senate and governor's going on all the time. host: there is a perception that it does. guest: it feels good to say it but does not mean it is true. appealhat to make of the of donald trump because he is saying, no one owns me, i am not but. guest: let me go to your question. you just said he does not take corporate money.

the law is still that you cannot take corporate money. i do not mean to correct in a negative way that i mean to say that it is a perception. corporations participate in politics. corporations cannot do certain things and it is this closable those things they do. -- it is disclose about those things that they do. that will be disclosed and we are not seen a lot of it. on both sides, we were seeing both individuals participate in the process and that has been going on since the dawn of time. there are certain limits that have been put on the process for wealthy individuals, but the one thing i know about ceos of the corporations, they are conservative. they're not conservative politically but conservative with their job security, and you will not see -- i will not even these theorations -- corporations come up with you drink from the soda can thereby

the newspapers or whatever, those ceos do not want to get fired over a donation because when you do that, you are irritating half of your marketplace, so these people are doing it individually, but that is different from corporations or dissipating. if you see corporation abc, they are usually writing a $10,000 check or $25,000 check to both parties on the same day because they are saying, we want to support the process. that is what it is. host: kelly next, georgia, republican. caller: hi, greta. thank you for taking my call. the things that i keep calling in to c-span about, and i thank you for taking my call .bout, is about the wall i appreciate donald trump about taking this issue about immigration. one of the things the republican

party and i think a lot of .eople get concerned about it consideredld trump that? i think it is disingenuous. says in think what it the constitution, it says one of the things provided by the federal government is that we security, andwed i don't think if we are allowed security asked americans to be allowed security . if we are given central america and mexico, if we are giving them federal aid to stop there

from allto stop them the things they are doing, which i think we should do on certain not allowy should we us as american citizens, why should they keep giving them us atl aid and not give the border? host: ok, i think we hear your point. guest: i think it is one of the reasons why donald trump is the apparent nominee. it is that issue. he evokes an emotion. look, the republican party has weekly dealt with immigration reform or the concept of immigration reform for years. they have always done if the runway. they want to have comprehensive in front of immigration reform.

it would have been easier years ago to take little pieces of the pie at a time instead of all at once because it became exactly what we thought it would be, a mess. the american people have gotten tired, really tired of politicians across the political spectrum. when donald trump stood up and said early on in his campaign, you know, it is time that we deal with our problems at the border and we will build a wall. of course, you had the famous cente fox fox -- vi say we will not pay for the wall, but not only did donald trump say you would pay for the for it, oru will pay the think it is bravado a realistic, the american people respect somebody who will say, no, we will do what is right for

america. the day of policing the world, the days of we are going to do what is right for other countries before what is right for us because we want to be friendly with you and have you do really bad just to run this to us in return are over. i really think that is what the .aller is trying to get to it is american sovereignty, and without voters, we are not a country. that is what the essence of what donald trump has been saying and i think that is what has sparked part of why he has been a rocket that has taken off for the nomination. host: another call from georgia. michelle in atlanta. democrat. greta, yes, brenda, -- let me have a moment with you. i see you with all these white folks call in on the republican party and you want to cut democrats out from the guests. let me tell this man something.

i am a black woman. i would never in my life vote he's a racist.mp if he was he's a klansman. he was supported by david duke. not deny it. black folks are going to control this election. i will be out there on the blacks, latinos, and muslims, and we are not going to let this piece of trash occupy the white house. in fact i wrote a letter to president obama. last day in office, he should fly an airplane and paint the white house black. guest: wow. i'm sorry. i guess there are people out there who feel that way. that's an emotional call.

i would say that i would expect her to have made the same exact call if ted cruz was the nominee. or any of the others. what it sounds like to me in reading that caller is that she is a hard-core left-wing activist. thetherefore no matter who republicans put up -- they could and she wasy mouse going to be on the streets protesting against them. look -- her attitude is what's wrong with america. i'm going to be honest with you. it is the divisiveness. the harshness. and by the way, mr. trump has used words that i disagree with as well. my point is that we have a little bit too much of it on both sides.

i think this entire black lives matter movement and operation has really done a disservice to a lot of people who are trying to do the right thing. because violence -- which then they blame on the trump people of course -- the violence that they bring to these events, the violence that they orchestrate and the left-wing propagandists and agitators who are professionals show up on a daily basis to the trump operations. what'swhat's wrong with going on in politics in america today. i'm a believer in the first amendment. it's one of the reasons i went to the supreme court. my supreme court victory allows people on both sides. it was not just for me or conservatives. it was for all americans to be able to participate in a fair more open way because i was

threatened with jail -- if i was to produce and advertise a film on hillary clinton. i found that to be ridiculous. people don't realize what my case was about. they forget it because it was 2007. it's simple that people can get emotionally connected to things and not have their facts straight. and it's disappointing but i understand it. about money this election cycle and what we are headed for in the general election. there is a quote that donald trump is walking into a $1 billion buzz saw. morning -- warning. the problem does not run just down ballot but also down donor. donors might start turning off the parties financial oxygen when donald trump needs more of

it. says donald trump needs to open up his own wallet. first of all, donald trump is not going to be taking any advice from any of those folks. i can tell you that right now. statementsl rove's on donald trump. the years of vitriol back and forth between them. the wall street journal as one of the only groups that cares about karl rove's opinion. donald trump has many wealthy individuals across the country that are going to at the end of day support him. whether they are the ones that are already known in the universe of political giving or not is unimportant. it really is. donald trump had the least amount of money, the smallest

organization, and the most ofophisticated if you will campaigns. and he went up against jeb bush. karl rove's jeb bush. of 150 million dollars in a super pac and campaign. 100% name id. professional operation. and he dismantled it without even breaking a sweat. and it's partly because the candidate was low-energy. and we all heard that over and over again. no matter how good the organization was they couldn't buy a vote. the guy with the least money and the most unprofessional and unorthodox campaign got the most votes. politics doesn't necessarily equate victory. that's one of the things i like about this election cycle. whole thing this

that daschle citizens united has caused all of these problems on its head. i kind of find that delicious. host: that he is next on the independent line. good morning. we are all human. we make mistakes and we will learn eventually. first thing is bernie sanders's supporters are 18 years to 45 years. i heard it on c-span. not 18 to 30. citizens united, i like the title. but i wonder what the campaign looked like when the british were ruling our continent. with the generals contemplating -- hm, how do we get control of government away from us and form a new government that's for the people? people idea of the forming that government -- we

are the government. each and every one of us americans. and we are more powerful than our government or the supreme justices. host: ok. david bossie, what do you think? guest: that gentleman hit it out of the ballpark. we are sovereign. each and every one of us. we are the government. that's what the american people have to continuously understand and fight for. high andnment isn't on we get to be subservient to it. we are the government. on an individual basis. and it's only through our collective will that we allow the government to do these things. when i was saying is the young people18 to 30, those were not alive when hillary clinton was in the white house.

those are the people -- those are bernie sanders supporters and uneducated about hillary clinton's background. i think that's where she's not going to have them just -- she won't be able to snap her fingers and have all of them behind her. have donald trump saying, we are going to be breaking out the playbook on hillary clinton and all that is fair game. host: lori in west virginia. democrat. caller: i want to say two things. the first one is, he built the wall, what about the tunnels? find one tunnel, another one opens up. ok that's the first one. the second one -- when he was talking about the lady in georgia. the tea party conservatives spent on -- spit on people.

it comes from both sides. you have crazies on both sides of the aisle. our state i'm pretty sure is going to go for trump. there a love-hate relationship with this thing with trump. i'm supporting burning. ernie. andlieve if it were bernie trump, landslide bernie is going to win. i do like hillary clinton but it's a hard election because of the negatives. you, are youask voting for bernie sanders? caller: i'm voting for bernie sanders. host: if he is not the nominee, could you vote for donald trump? caller: i really could but i probably will go for hillary. trump andould go for this is why. say thatcontinues to

he is going to change politics, that he will change how it is, i may vote for him. host: i want to stop right there. that's the question we are going to ask coming up in the next hour. could you vote for someone in the other party? guest: oh boy. that's the magical elixir. that is the donald trump campaign at this point as they pivot towards the general election. people just like her. it's a big question. it supersedes the problem with some of these issues we talked about earlier today with trump having high negatives among different segments of the population. able to getump is democrats and independents to come across and vote for him, especially in key states, he turns the map completely upside

down and destroys it. that's one of the things he's going to look to do. that byes he have to do running to the left of hillary clinton on things like trade? guest: there will be issues that they are going to disagree with and she's going to take a very traditional position. it's because she can't help herself. she's not capable of understanding what's going on in america today. the thing donald trump is able to do because he's not a politician -- it makes people in -- theyn very nervous don't necessarily know was going to come out of his mouth. necessarily know his policy position because he does not have a 20 year voting record . they are nervous. stirred a has conversation about trade and other issues that are very populist in nature.

in order to get democrats and republicans to listen to his message and that's a dangerous thing to heller clinton. host: jim is next in ohio, a republican. caller: my name is jim wagers. i work at a grocery store in shelby, ohio. i see all these latinos and there.ricans come in they come to town. they find them housing. they get them a job. they get the medical card. they get them food cards. i see our citizens who are struggling and they can't even get help because they are right on the borderline and i just think this is a terrible thing for our people not to be taken care of before the latinos and puerto ricans are taken care of. and that's my opinion. host: are you supporting donald trump? caller: yes ma'am.

guest: he has a specific experience in his town. main themesof the coming across america today. whether it's foreign aid -- -- spendinghas been money on the u.n. and nato. all of these things have been talked about for a long time. is able to get these things to the forefront because he speaks so passionately about them and he -- we ares like america and american tax dollars should take care of americans before it takes care of anybody else. when you are broke, when you are staring at a $20 trillion debt, we don't have enough money to take care of ourselves and we are taking care of others.

all he's saying and people can take it in different ways -- he's saying we need to reprioritize. we want to help everybody. we want to have branches held out to people across the world. we want to be the beacon of hope. place that everybody in the world wants to come. broke, if our systems are broken, if we don't have the resources financially, the health care system, we cease to be that shining city on the hill. we have to take care of the home front first and foremost. heads in the our sand and not look at the world, but he is simply making the case that -- that gentleman what he just said is being felt across

the country. we pay into the system. whether youatter are black or white or hispanic. what i believe is, you are an american first. that's the assimilation problem that i think is one of the bigger issues in today's culture. we feel like we can tell everybody, don't bother assimilating. you don't need to learn to speak and write english. we are trying to make everybody feel so good about the care that they don't assimilate into the process. that's one of the things donald trump has done very effectively. host: what do you say to your yellow conservatives when they say, i will back the nominee but i will not formally endorsed donald trump? bushes saying, we are not going to endorse, we are not going to get involved in this

campaign. guest: first of all, it's a long road. i hear people say lots of things over the last month or so. we will see exactly what happens as we get towards november. as i think a lot of those people are going to come around. together trump puts the big sophisticated -- the guyl campaign is literally taking nothing resource wise with an exceptional candidate and communicator and they have built an incredible string of victories and become the apparent nominee. no one took them seriously the year and a half ago. it's been an amazing thing to watch. host: timothy, independent line. caller: good morning.

they are talking about all these -- blacks, latinos, all of this. the white caucasian women are fighting our battles to protect our way of life in america. why? the white is the majority of officers in a country. what about white lives matter? do they matter? they are always fussing about their race. do white lives matter? trump is not cutting new deals. he don't cut no favors. there is anright example of what donald trump is doing.

i am just a believer that the black lives matter organization as an organization has done race relations and an enormous disservice across the country over the last year or two. looks atage american burning cities to the ground and burning city blocks down, violence in the streets, as not an american value. host: black lives matter has mostly been peaceful, though. guest: look at the black lives matter organization as it relates to what went on in st. louis. what went on in baltimore. all of these things -- the leadership says we want to have civil discourse. look at what has gone on across the country, it has done an enormous disservice. --has not provided one good

not one good thing has come out of the riots, of the burning of cities down except to cost those poor people in those cities to have fewer services. less money for the city to be able to give them any type of foothold or step up. you have callers like that one who just said, what about white lives? that hasn't been said. it is said now over the last year, but that should not be talked about. it should not need to be talk about. i get very frustrated at race relations. it is something that america has done so well over the last -- we have a black president of the united states. i didn't vote for him, but i respect that we have the first african-american president of the united states.

that would mean symbolically that anyone can strive and obtain the highest office in the land is a pretty tremendous thing. it's frustrating -- host: that's what i was just going to say. before we go, any plans to release another video, documentary? guest: yes. we have two big films in the works. one on religious liberty and one on hillary clinton. host: what will the hillary clinton one focus on? the corruption of hillary clinton, the clinton foundation, the conflicts of interest, her time in the state department and foundation and what they were doing in conjunction. very similar. i have a two and a half year litigation strategy against the state department. we are provided documents under court order weekly and we have not made any of those public yet

and those are coming. we will be looking to work with all of the organizations. aeople --line of lot of really interesting things. host: david bossie, citizens united. thank you for the conversation. when we come back, this is our question. who could you not support in november? if it's hillary clinton, (202) 748-8000. if you cannot support bernie sanders, (202) 748-8001. or donald trump, (202) 748-8002. tell us who you are supporting. we will be back with those calls. ♪ >> booktv has 48 hours of

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>> washington journal continues. host: we are back. our question this morning, who could you not vote for in november? you can also visit us on twitter or facebook. we will begin with calls. in michigan. you could not vote for hillary clinton. is that right? caller: that is absolutely correct. first of all, i so much enjoyed your last segment.

i am a black female passionate like that woman that called in, but i love trump. i think color should not be in this. anyway, i know i will not vote for hillary. or the democratic platform they are standing on. thinks -- things that is the divisive factor is the race card. this is about being an american. as far as illegal immigrants and all that, if we did anything in this country with the word illegal in front of it, people would be outraged and you would have to answer to the law. but when it comes to illegal immigrants and stuff like that, it has just been like oh well, we got to protect them because -- what ever. how did you vote in 2012 and 2008? caller: i voted republican in

2008 and 2012i voted republican. party standsat the for. i am not for abortion and the different things that the democratic party is for. and i am a black female. i am an educated black female. and i don't believe donald trump is a racist. he's for americans. people want to tie him down like, what would you do for black people? he says host: get them jobs, get them employment. votew york, you could not for donald trump. are you a democrat or republican? caller: independent. host: how have you voted in the past? i voted how i felt about the candidate. if i felt good about republicans i would vote for them.

host: what is it about donald trump you don't like? caller: i believe he is a racist. is a sexist. and i would not vote for someone like that. we have a lot of people that would support him, but he doesn't deserve our support. yes, black lives matter. black lives matter protest against the things that were happening to black people that weren't getting any justice. and the reason they wanted to say black lives matter is because there was no justice behind the crimes that were being committed against black people.

they are in activist group. they might not do everything right. but america has been founded by protests and rebellion against the system. we have people protesting and showing up to protest. that's the american system. in new york, you could not vote for bernie sanders. tell us why. caller: gets he's not capable of running the united states. donald trump is number one. he aims to seal of that border and protect american citizen lives. host: so you are a donald trump supported? caller: that's right. host: how have you voted in the past? caller: i was a democrat. but now i'm a republican. host: did you vote for president obama the last two times? caller: yes. both presidencies. host: now supporting donald trump. ben in north --

carolina. i have followed hillary clinton's past. i have seen her from the very beginning. i don't believe she wants to support the constitution of the united states. belief that it's a living paper and that it should change and i think the only people that can change it are the american people, not hillary clinton. she is out to take everybody's guns away to make the citizenry less powerful. -- regulate take everything under the sun. she's a typical socialist democrat, in my opinion. she is the first person that started political correctness when her husband was first elected way back. ben, are you a

republican? caller: i'm an independent. i used to be a democrat. but hillary clinton will on the make this country worse and that's why i would never vote for her. i darn aren't sure -- sure wouldn't vote for bernie sanders because socialism would lead to anarchy. host: so you will vote for donald trump? caller: i will probably hold my nose and vote for donald trump. there are eight states left that have still not voted. i think it is a disgrace that they are just being overlooked. one in the is no race challenging donald trump anymore. caller: yes. but they are still on that ballot. they are suspended. they have not dropped out completely. if you look it up, those votes will count when they go into that election. host: so you think there is still a chance?

other: if i may, one comment i would like to say is that i believe that in this whole election the fairness doctrine has been violated over and over again by the media. it really needs to be looked at because there's too many exemptions. when one individual gets $2 billion in free advertising, something is definitely wrong. host: so you don't think it's too late for somebody to challenge donald trump? caller: no i do not. left, he hasates around 1000 delegates i believe. 1237 to get the nominee for the convention. host: he's about 190 delegates shy at this point. eliot cohen wrote this piece in the washington post today.

the case for a third-party. someone withds unique skills. the question is whether someone will step forward. one of them should, to keep conservative conscience is clean. to vote for clinton is to sacrifice standards and endorsed policies and conduct no noservative conduct conservative should. not to vote at all is an escape. this may be a losing cause but it is not necessarily a futile one. disgraceandidacy is a and has already damaged us at home and abroad. the larger question is larger than one demo god, dangerous though he is. limitedut whether free government will have someone to represent it for decades to come. somes hope that

politicians will summon the courage that their country requires and act. in california, you will never vote for donald trump you are saying. are you a democrat? caller: yes i am. host: ok. caller: and i would never, never vote for donald trump. like most other trump supporters -- they can see everybody else's fault. but they can't see their very own. particularly donald trump. you can't see the very one that is right under his own nose. everyone is illegals. i believe his wife was a longtime illegal. probably the way i feel, med.ectly kgb groo he cannot see everyone else's --lt

i think we are all as equal as his own family but we are treated as less than his own family as american citizens. so i could never vote for donald trump. you be happy if it was bernie sanders or hillary clinton? either one works for you? -- i'm goingfunny to have to go back to hillary i believe she is the best person right now to run this country. we are asking, if you could support another candidate, who could you not vote for? some bernie sanders supporters have told us that they could not vote for hillary clinton, that they might even consider voting for donald trump. lots in the papers today,

republicans possibly considering like charles koch that they would vote for hillary clinton. this is a poll that was out in april. one in four sanders supporters will not vote for clinton. one out of every four said they would not support hillary clinton in the general election if she is the democratic party standardbearer. 25% said they would not support her in november, but 69% said they would. randy in texas, you could not vote for senator sanders. why not? caller: he's way out left for me. i come from a long line of conservative republicans.

things are different right now. the reason we're looking at trunk -- the bushes had to forces in the race -- two horses in the race. their man got put out. have lived here in texas all my life and i watch governor bush for eight years and every two years when it came to election time, standing on the with a mexican border talking about protecting our borders and all this other stuff. they did not stop one time and say -- i live here.

within the last 20 years this ande has changed so much right now texas is booming. you try to get a job, you have to fight to be able to do that. you say you could never vote for bernie sanders. caller: here's the deal. i believe trump is going to shake up the congress and the and if the republicans want to throw another horse in the race to try to knock trump out of it, i'm going to vote for bernie. i'm going to throw the baby out with the bathwater. host: ok. jackie in baltimore. you can never support hillary clinton. caller: i couldn't support hillary clinton because of how she has treated women. -- sheber an interview

said i would not be in the kitchen baking cookies. she stood by her man while her husband was denigrating women. monica lewinsky and other women. alone i wouldis not vote for her. it did not stand by winching -- when she needed help as mayor. and she stole the senate seat from charlie wrangle in new york. she is not a senator from new york. she is not even from new york. for her to take that seat that charlie wrangle should have have -- i would never ever vote for her. host: are you a longtime democrat? i have voted for tons of

people. i'm a democrat but i have voted for people. names fortten in people. i'm probably just going to write in a native american this time and ask them to stand up and take back their country. host: you will not vote for donald trump. write in'm going to somebody. a native american. host: john in louisville, kentucky. caller: yes. i would not vote for sanders because his policies would totally bankrupt this country. and the$15 minimum wage the college for all students and everything -- this is just not the way america was founded. people have to work for what they get. sanders is a socialist and all he believes in his taking from the rich and giving to the poor

and that is not what this country is founded on. it was founded on people putting in a full day's work for a full day's pay. and that's my stand. host: who are you going to support in the general election? caller: i guess i will have to vote for donald trump because i believe we have to have a strong rder and we have to do something about all the illegals in this country also causing a major strain on the finance as of this country. -- finances of this country. aliens.of the illegal host: are you aware of sanctuary cities? caller: yes. host: front page of the new york times this and are not -- morning.

knows is that he -- what he wants to do in the early months. he sketched out plans that include showdowns with business leaders over jobs and key roles for military generals and advising him about running the country. he would begin by interviewing candidates for the open supreme and quickly settle on a nominee in the mold of antonin scalia a. . his biggest trophy yet, the republican party. -- over breakfast at the marriott hotel in january 2015. he spent 45 minutes grilling mr. gingrich on his experience running for president.

it was clear to me that he was seriously considering it. two months later, three quarters of republican primary voters said they couldn't imagine supporting mr. trump for president. he was so marginal that during a candidate cattle call by the nra , more people stayed to listen to bobby jindal than to mr. trump. about when mr. trump was thinking about running for president. reporting --n post donald trump files an application for rights to the phrase that has become the signature line of his campaign, make america great again. virginia, you cannot vote for donald trump. good morning. caller: good morning.

how are you? host: doing well. why not? tell us why. caller: donald represents everything that is wrong with the country and the world. he is a sexist, a racist. the only thing that has going for him is he's a master or ator. kind of like another one in history. we know what happened when he spoke. the american people who are following trump are being duped. they are hearing a lot of grand things that he is saying. he will do none of those things. with only telling america a select group wants to hear and they are flocking to him. i really feel sorry for america if he does make it into office. host: who have you supported in the past two election cycles? if people look at my voting record they would probably say i'm a democrat

because i am more of a liberal thinker. i consider myself -- i follow people based on what -- their views. i like to watch people and teach them as a person. i am a reader of people. i like to read them and see if they are full of bs or whatever. host: what is your read on hillary clinton? got a lot of problems. the only thing she has going for her is bill. i think he will be in her ear more and i like that because i think he was a wonderful president. i wish we could have more presidents like bill. if it came down to it between her or bernie, i'm not certain yet. i don't like a lot of bernie's stances either. i don't believe everyone should be equal. i believe everyone should have an equal chance but i don't think everyone should be equal. i don't believe in his

socialistic views on that. i definitely will not vote trump. host: i'm going to leave it there so we can get in more calls. we are talking about who you could not vote for in november. republican leadership saying, our presumptive nominee is donald trump. ted cruz dropped out after yesterday,ndiana and announced he would not be continuing in the race. fundraising was a problem. he raised less than $17 million in all by the end of march. we began april with just $1.1 million in the bank. ted cruz raised $80 million. kasich had to lean heavily on to super pac's which financed most of his television advertising.

let's go to sherry in chicago. you cannot support hillary clinton. tell us why. caller: i was actually going to support hillary clinton a year and a half ago until they started pushing the tpp. i live in the midwest. our manufacturing base has just been decimated. i voted for barack obama to times but i was seriously disappointed when he started pushing the tpp. i started considering hillary clinton's support of the tpp. i really started to take a bigger look at what was going on. and i decided i cannot vote for hillary clinton. the more i pulled on that little thread the more it all came apart for me. host: ok. you voted for president obama twice. you are displeased that he pushed the transpacific partnership. hillary clinton was secretary of state. she has since said she is opposed to it.

does this mean as somebody who voted for democrats twice, that you could switch and vote for donald trump? caller: you know, it's funny that you ask. i am staunchly bernie sanders. i am a supporter of bernie sanders. if hillary clinton is on the ballot, i know that i will beyond a shadow of a doubt not vote for. i was toying with whether i could vote for trump. it is i really like the positions he has stood for on foreign trade. he has been pushing that from the beginning. is that --with trump i'm not sure that he would be consistent with what he's talking about right now. i does know if he would stick to that view and for me that's very important. i would vote for jill stein

because i want her to get on more balance in the future. i know i will not be voting for hillary clinton. i wish i could. host: why don't you believe her when she says that she is now opposed to it? caller: she has been so inconsistent. she is being inconsistent right now. she goes from one state to the next saying the polar opposite. goingainst coal, we are to get rid of coal, and then she goes to west virginia and talks about something completely different. we're going to get the jobs back. i find her credibility to be zero. her goingfaith in into office and doing anything that she said because she has taken both sides of almost every argument. i feel quite certain that she would find a way to push the tpp through and it would be ratified. in new jersey.

you cannot vote for bernie sanders. good morning. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. absolutely i will not vote for bernie sanders were donald trump. i'm listening to all the viewers, all the people calling in. bernie sanders and donald trump are running on false pretense. they are giving hope to the americans that will not even exist once they are in office. hillary clinton if you listen to her, she does not go from state to state changing her views. i heard about the coal. she wants to go more environmental. she is not think she is getting rid of coal miners. she is absolutely right. she is the most qualified to be president. i guess people don't want that now. they want someone who has a lot of dreams, they want to build a wall. is that actually going to happen? i really don't think so. bernie sanders -- all of the young college kids.

are they really going to be debt free? no. you go to college, you should pay. hillary clinton has given a detailed platform on what she is going to do. people are not listening. her baggage? what about the other candidates? what about trump, what about sanders? they have not even looked into their baggage yet. and what does she carry? she has been in politics for so long. bernie sanders has been in the house 27 years. is he a democrat? i read all about him on the internet the other day. to me she is still an independent running on a democratic ticket. host: some say that bernie sanders should stay in the race because of this investigation into the e-mail system hillary clinton set up. washington times, clinton aides to be deposed on e-mail. ordered to answer

questions about her secret e-mail servers including who made the decision to set it up and whether it was intended to thwart open records. -- mrs. clinton herself will also have to answer questions brought by judicial watch according to the judge. fox news reporting an exclusive story that a romanian hacker said that he breached the clinton server. here is a core, it was easy. quote, it was easy. -- rnc has told the staff that if they were unable to get behind the nominee, they should

leave by the end of the week. e rnc chairman reince it was tweeting that time to coalesce around him so the republicans could try to stop hillary clinton. #neverclinton. we are asking you who you could never vote for. good morning. there is no way possible i would ever vote for her for a lot of reasons. getting memory of her fired as a lawyer and the watergate hearings. i'm member she wasted $13 million when bill clinton let her be in charge of health care reform. who wascted janet reno guilty of the waco murders. and i remember how she attacked republicans and monica lewinsky.

she's not for women's rights at all. how she is guilty of the benghazi killings. -- lied tod under the american people about being under sniper fire. i'm a veteran. i did risk my life and it's an insult to any american that she would lie about something like that. she was never understood the fire or in danger in any way. power-hungry,cal, evil woman. we will go to lily in ann arbor, michigan. you could never support donald trump. tell us what. y. caller: is not favorable towards any woman. i don't think he is that favorable towards his own wife. when he brought up that situation about the birth of president obama, i did not think that was right.

he knows star well to president obama was born in the united states. has he ever presented his birth certificate? what about how sanders claimed he was from poland. there's a lot of things that donald trump says about the wall. and the former president of mexico says that he will not pay for a wall. and every time donald trump gets on the platform, you notice that most of his supporters or people in the background are more affluent people. they are not regular people. not from my perspective. you see how they are addressed. he doesn't want people to come in that are common. host: have you always voted for democrats? and i will behave voting for hillary clinton. if she was on their 10 times i would vote for her. not only because she's a woman.

it's because what she stands for. i think she would protect america. donald trump will start another war. you see other foreign leaders do not like him. the u.k. do not like him. host: what if it was bernie sanders? caller: no. how can you -- college is not free. college is not free. is he going to pay for it? no. it's left up to the parents and the students to pay for it. college is not free. i don't know why he suggests that. is in royal oak, michigan. you could not support bernie sanders. why is that? caller: i can't support bernie sanders simply because, i think he's a carpetbagger by claiming he's a democrat. he has never worked for democrats in the past. all of a sudden we are supposed to claim him?

he wants our money. he wants everything. i think he's a phony. i would definitely support hillary simply because i think she knows what she's in for. she has already experienced life as a first lady, life as a senator, life being a secretary of state. she knows the in's and out's. she knows what's good about it. what's bad about it. bernie doesn't know anything. all he does is stand there and rant and point his finger into -- and claim he's going to give everybody free everything. well some of us are going to have to pay for that. and he's nice planning that people and that's my opinion. host: gale says, never vote for dump on twitter, vote for em no matter who is nominated. we need the supreme court and senate.

as we told you, the rnc chairman tweeted out "never hillary." we are asking you, who is your never? matt in massachusetts. you could never pull the lever for hillary clinton. good morning. caller: good morning. no, i could never and would never. the first thing -- one of your callers touched on that i was very important is, she claims to be so much for but yet she basically condoned her husband's behavior. what he did in the white house was atrocious. and i find it amazing that he impeached for that behavior. i think it's kind of scary -- the american public, a lot of people don't even realize what this guy was really like. in sylvia into get

fort lauderdale, florida. never trump. good morning. caller: why never trump? because he is incoherent. he is a pathological liar. throw dirtt to just at somebody and say words. i want to say what i really mean. fox --ed him today on msnbc, not fox. grumbledbled to him -- -- groveled to him and he was incoherent. host: we will have to leave it at that point. we are going to say goodbye for today's washington journal. coming up on c-span, every year during the days of remembrance the united states holocaust memorial museum hosts a ceremony honoring the victims of the holocaust and nazi persecution at the u.s. capitol. about 60 holocaust survivors are expected to attend this year's

ceremony and we have live coverage here on c-span. ♪