of mocking in thatn that wretched thousands of times. everybody in the media gets all this but it cannot get any residency in the echo chamber we are looking at. >> [indiscernible] >> which is english language supporters online. they tend to have to run the data a little more and we are doing a collection now, but they tend to care more about people that stand up and say, i was wrong, they tend to get really angry about that want to counteract that. the administration talked about the losses of territory and they

have clearly shifted away from giving can get the kids to we are winning battles here and there, so i think they are key in the we are doing and they are adjusting the messaging. it is quite effective, at least from looking at different instances. families andg up the dangers and what happens when individuals go to syria and iraq and they leave their families behind, there is a level there. i'm talking to a number of individuals who are true believers on this, but when you bring up family members and say, have you talked to mom lately are what to think about the fact that you left them behind, they tense up in a way that i'm not used to seeing. i think there's affected things. this is to say that radicalization is how the complex and not bulimia process. -- not a linear process. humans by nature complex and

they will be equally complex and things that work for you will not work for you, so how do you? figure that out in terms of tailoring messaging -- so how do you figure that out in terms of tailoring messaging? >> any last points? >thank you for coming out. we have upcoming events in the next few months. keep your eye on the mailing list for the list on caucus.org and have a great weekend. [applause] [indistinct chattering]

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>> yesterday, republican national committee chair talked about the 2016 election season and presidential candidate donald trump. he was interviewed by mike allen. this is just under an hour. allen: good morning. we appreciate you coming out. we have a conversation with .avid bossi -- with mr. priebus: before we kick off, i would like to thank bank of america for continuing to support these great conversations. we really appreciate our

partnership with bank of america theit has taken us all over country to talk about the most important issues, so thank you to bank of america for being a great partner for many years. we appreciate your support. welcome all of you. we will be taking your questions. i had the twitter machine a pair, such as #questions and they will popped up for me. without further into, chairman priebus. [applause] thank you for doing this. bus: this is off the record, right? mr. allen: we will not tell a soul. in your profile with cnn, which was done before tuesday, they asked you how you are feeling

about how the primaries were going and you said, well, i am not exactly pouring baileys in my cereal. thanks to my colleagues. [laughter] chairman priebus: excellent. where is the lucky charms and the bowl? there you go. [applause] mr. allen: daniel points out that there are two glasses, one for you and one for the nominee. who is the one person in washington who has harder job then you? chairman priebus: my chief of staff. job now is tor elect donald trump president of the united states. that makes you feel how? chairman priebus: look, we have said all along that whoever our nominee is, we are obviously here to support the nominee. i think that we are prepared as

we have ever been. rnc but today four years ago, i think mitt romney would be president. mr. allen: you are talking data -- fieldan priebus: data, staff, and we have gone from a committee that was in disarray to a committee that has raised over 75 million more dollars this cycle with hundreds and thousands of people in the field, people going through training, and $100 million makeover in our data operation, so we are prepared to win the house, senate and the white house. if you look at hillary clinton, i would rather take a few elbows an thethrown the director of the fbi interviewing your top aides and potentially the democrat nominee. mr. allen: take us behind the scenes, you are home on tuesday night in milwaukee, tell us what

happened when he decided and you treated that donald trump was a presumptive nominee. chairman priebus: i said he would be. obviously, kasich was still in the race. presumptive nominee, there still needs to be 1230 seven to be the presumptive nominee. no one else is running, site think it is safe to say that at some point, he will be the presumptive nominee. we had planned a fundraiser in milwaukee and obviously, those are kind of family members to me and they have been helping me ever since i have been chairman of the wisconsin party. the sister,into which you had been to, -- we had gone into the [indiscernible] and ih you had been to, heard rumors about ted cruz dropping out in the afternoon. i did not go out of my way to confirm any of it or make the calls because sometimes, there

are times when you actually do not want to be in the information loop on things like that because once you're in the loop, if something breaks, you are one of the people in the loop and we will find out soon enough, but i said to my chief of staff, what if ted cruz drops out? what do you think of that? we talked about it and we said, we don't think it is going to happen. we went to the fundraiser and sure enough, the cell phone starts buzzing, at the buzz is is one thing, but when you get 15 in a row and you do not want to look down at your phone when you are talking to people and you pick it up and do realize, ok, i guess the rumor was true, and you go back to the house in kenosha, which i had not been to in a long time, which was nice, and that was it. we made some phone calls, talked to donald trump a couple of times. i think he did a nice job. inm -- he was very gracious

his speech that night and we need more of that. i think being presidential, 30,000 feet gracious. i am hoping that we will see more of that. mr. allen: does crooked hillary count as presidential? chairman priebus: i think he has sent an effective job of labeling and she does have a history of being crooked. i think she has a lot she has the answer for. she has families of dead heroes in benghazi she has the answer for. she has a secretary of state of state to answer for. i think she has a lot of materials present to cling onto and use. mr. allen: [indiscernible] far morepriebus: gracious and personable than i think you see at rallies. i have never had a problem behind the scenes. i have never had a situation where something was said by him that was not follow through, so

all my interaction has been extremely positive, which may be system rigged stuff so out of place for me, compared to what was being said personally behind the scenes. mr. allen: does that bother you that there is one donald trump behind the scenes and one saying something different on camera? chairman priebus: i think he said it himself that there is going to be a time to shift the general election mode, and i think that is the way he sees it thefeels about it, that now general election is starting and what you saw on tuesday night is going to be more of what you see in the future. really, the person you saw on tuesday night was the person that i got used to dealing with on the telephone and in person, so that general election approachis the type of

i had been dealing with for six years. mr. allen: is the recidivism issue the next morning -- chairman priebus: i am sure it will take some time. to get into mean general election mode and out of primary mode? is there anyway in cleveland that the rules could be used to nominate someone other than donald trump? chairman priebus: we have some rules experts up in the crowd. it ismy personal view is highly, highly doubtful. as i have said before, the rules committee of 2016 writes the rules for the convention. i do not write the rules. the rnc's role at the convention is fairly limited, and i know we have been through this for months together walking through the rules, but the rnc is basically a caretaker, and administrator of the convention. mr. allen: so it is impossible?

chairman priebus: nothing is impossible, but like i said, i have said this many times, highly, highly unlikely. mr. allen: the senator of nebraska, one of the rising stars, height of facebook post and tweet storm -- chairman priebus: the tweet storm [laughter] mr. allen: calling for an adult conservative challenger to trump --we can behastag better and give us more torches. do you think there is a better run from the right? chairman priebus: i don't think so. the amount of time, energy, money, and also, it is a guaranteed to elect hillary clinton. when people start and take a breath and let some of this down called down -- calm come i think people understand that this up in court is too important to let the differences of opinions and choices -- mr. allen: but the republicans i

talked to say there's no way to guarantee that donald trump will nominate conservatives to the court. chairman priebus: that is why i think this might be for donald trump to do would be to release five to 10 names of people he would pull from to say, here is 10 folks that i think would make great supreme court justices and work with people to come up with that list. i think things like that would kind oful and recalibrating some people's minds as far as, what is this about, why do we need to support the republican nominee, but keep they beat some of you did, but i do not think too many people thought that to stay and wednesday would be the end of ted cruz and john kasich, so for , and i would say in

paul ryan's case, he thought he had 30 more days and there was this meeting planned next week, by the way, something that the media is not talking about that there was this plan to start having meetings on capitol hill and paul ryan and leadership are planning that meeting with donald trump, so in their minds, they are thinking, we have another month to talk about this , get comfortable and all of a sudden, you have cameras in your face saying, what do you think? what do you think? beingi think paul is honest with how he feels. i think you will get there, he wants to get there, but he wants some time to work through it. mr. allen: politico reported this morning that that meeting next week on capitol hill is expected to go ahead. do expects because ryan to be there? chairman priebus: i do. i talked to him multiple times yesterday and he wanted to go forward. he was being honest.

he says he is not there yet but he wants to get there, so yes, he will meet. mr. allen: after speaker ryan made his comment that he was not ready to go behind the lead, how quickly the donald trump call him? chairman priebus: i had already talked to him once that day, but -- i have not talked to him already once that day, but i had talked to donald trump and paul ryan multiple times the other days. mr. allen: but donald trump called you within minutes. chairman priebus: [laughter] i think you are pretty good. i cannot lie. he wasn't. as or anything, but he asked what he needed to do. listen, my view is just,

relax, be gracious and i will talk to paul and we will try to work on this. overlyof like don't get i knowher quickly, so paul really well and i know he is being honest, and i know how he feels. ideacomfortable with the that it is going to take some time in some cases for people to work through differences, so we talked about it and talked about it multiple times and they are very comfortable with sitting and itth donald trump may be at my office, somewhere else, but we will have that meeting. we will start the process of unifying. mr. allen: just yesterday morning, he said that for him to vote for donald trump, trump would have to change some of his positions, including restricting the entry of muslims or forced

deportations. do you sense that with speaker ryan, you are very close to, that it will also take some change in position? chairman priebus: no, i don't think -- first of all, i don't --ee on the van coming in ban coming in. i put the statement already that that is not something to our party believes in. i believe our party is the party of open-door, equality, freedom and equality and it will always remain such, -- mr. allen: are you going to be able to convince donald trump of that? chairman priebus: i don't know. it has been three days, so not quite there yet. mr. allen: do you hope -- chairman priebus: first, let's get the speaker on board and then we will get into the details later. [laughter] mr. allen: but can you persuade donald trump that the republican party is the party of the

open-door? chairman priebus: yes, and i think he believes that but i will make sure that some of these issues are discussed and , andd about and understood i am confident that given my experience so far with him that he is going to have an open mind to some of these issues. mr. allen: mitt romney said the that when he announced he would not support donald trump he said, i paid too much popularity ond both sides of the aisle. do you agree? chairman priebus: everyone has their opinion and it is one thing i learned quickly. mr. allen: tell me about yours. do you think there is too much demagoguery? chairman priebus: there is plenty of it. listen, i think there is plenty of it. whether there is too much is a

result what people have been served up in this country and people feel cheated. people feel like they are not blinking an of money home. they feel like government has it isen doing its job and too big in many cases, so i think that sometimes you get the result that you built, and i think that is sort of what has happened across the country. mr. allen: during the primaries, what is the biggest thing you learned about republican-based primary voters? chairman priebus: something that people to not report on a lot, which is there is incredible enthusiasm out there in our party, and we have 70% higher turnout among republicans, 30% lower among democrats. an advantage over voter registration in battleground states that we have not seen in 25 years. in the first quarter of this year at the rnc, we raised more money than ever in any first-quarter in history of the raising morere

money in the first quarter than we raised in 2012. the press, it is ok, you do what you have to do, it is always the focus on the drama, which i get. people are interested in the drama. they're not interested in the mechanics, but mechanically and because of all the enthusiasm in our party and 17 serious candidates, you have a result that i think has really built us into a machine that is going to be able to compete very well in november. mr. allen: what is the biggest income fund about the press during the primaries? -- what is the biggest thing you have learned about the press during the primaries? chairman priebus: there is so much of it and there are so many talented people online, traditional that almost nothing breaks through, so if you have a really good story that you are really proud of and you think that you have done a great job,

it is very difficult for it to breakthrough because there is so much. i also believe that in too many about theis all headline. in many cases, i am not worried about the copy but the headline because the headline does not match the reality. you take this group of articles about the rnc meeting in april. all of you that wrote articles about how there was going to be a rules fight that the reps, not you all, but the people watching, i think you'll everyone an apology because it is ridiculous. there was no fight. simply 4-2, so it is that kind of stuff. where you bogged down organizations with >> based -- based and it was inaccurate. there was no rules fight, it was

smooth sailing. mr. allen: some of the stories said you were prepared for the rules fights. thank you c-span for streaming us live an if you have any questions, [indiscernible] do you agree with donald trump that beating hillary will be easy? chairman priebus: i didn't know he said that. [laughter] he said in indiana 48 hours ago, folks, i have not even started yet. i am going to start focusing on hillary. it is going to be easy. it is going to be so great. [laughter] chairman priebus: look, i don't think anyone would have in thisd that trump fashion would have taken out 16 other candidates. he certainly has the five the firstand i would say that

of all, i do not personally think it will be easy because i think raising the money, tilting the ground game, targeting voters, the truth is our party is a great mid term party and we have had a hard time with presidential elections and it is nothing new. it is not like this just happened. it was 1:30 in the morning in president,e popular we had a tough time putting away a horrible candidate as far as cell ability and john kerry and we know what happened in 2006 was not good, 92, clinton lost six primaries or something like that. bush 41 was a very popular wosident, so last time we with relative ease wasn 1988, so i think it is a difficult task that i think we are up to it and i think we have a big upside, too, so i know there are perils

but i also know that there is an upside. mr. allen: i is having a seem to be presumptive nominee affect the formal rnc? chairman priebus: i think clarity has been helpful. there is no one else running, so unknown,not this daily which i think has been helpful and i think it has been helpful on the money side, too. mr. allen: well trump send some of his own people into the rnc? chairman priebus: there is no mechanism other than me agreeing to it. i don't know if this myth is all about the nominee comes in, but someone has to issue a key card, ok? mr. allen: would you do that? chairman priebus: sure, but there is not going to be any layering that would be any different than what happened when i was chairman under the timeromney nomination

frame, so in the case of mitt romney, remember, brian jones was in our building, but they were not saying what to do or what not to do and sitting in on our meetings. there was a lot of trust that we knew what we were doing, and i would say that so far, we see that same approach with some of the folks on the trump campaign. they have no intention of taking over anything. mr. allen: so you would be in charge? chairman priebus: 100% and there is never any doubt, -- mr. allen: the political director in indiana posts of that donald trump completes reviewing the republican party. do you agree that this is donald trump's party? chairman priebus: no, it is the party's party. the party is, was and will remain the republican party, "for freedom, equality and i believe our platform will remain

righthe same as it is now and we will remain continuously, so i do not buy into that. the chief strategist and they saideted some staff members of the rnc byrd told that if they're unable to get behind rnc, they should lead by the end of the week. what have you told your staff? chairman priebus: nothing. talkedbeen gone, but i and thisief of staff is what i know, sean says every of the year to the staff and the commerce department, look, we are entering the general election phase. if you have any family vacations, if you have anything coming up that you need to tell

us about, now is the time to do it, but that is 100% false as far as telling people they need to leave if they are not 100% on board. that is not the test. the test is if you are doing a good job and are you going to it has been 48 hours. . >> donald trump repeatedly said that the nominating process is rigged. it worked out for him. he says he doesn't think that anymore. >> maybe he does. he left.

>> i think that there are some things that can be looked at but it is not that easy. we tend to respect states and their rights to conduct a distribution and delegate process as they wish. i have my preferences but it does not matter. what matters is the states themselves adopt their own delegate rules. the rules committee at the convention will look at all of this and make recommendations as to how to be better. you always want to be better and the changes we made to the rules over the two years were at the time they were historic changes. the idea of making states that have caucuses or beauty contests tither allocation to those contests, those are big changes.

candidates were getting nothing out of it. if you are going to do the things you had better tied delegates to it. everyone has a lot of suggestions. i agree. there are things we need to do to improve the debate passes but people also thought we were insane when we said we would not have 23 debates. we're going -- we had 12 create we're not going to have a calendar that no one can count on. where one week goes by and you have it -- and abc debate and we are going to have some say on who the moderators are. will not have chris matthews conducting the republican party debate. i even eyes are never going to get this done. he is good at his job. david plus tweeted that he was folly and a joke. all this and we became in charge of the process.

now what will happen is four and eight years from now we are going -- the party will have more control. i would like to see one day of it is possible -- if it is possible for the party to own the rights of the nomination process. one day that is going to happen. both parties are going to own the rights and they will -- just like the nfl does. i just think we're going to get to a point where we are going to move even into a place that it would be more control over the process. >> you would charge for access. >> a think that is in the debates. should media outlets eating -- making tens of millions of dollars on the product that the party should own, that is the question. i think both parties should get

together and figure out what the answer to that question is. >> to charge for debates? >> you are saying that. we are the beginning of a long process that having the party should explore and i use the nfl as an example because the nomination process i think she -- should go to the benefit of both parties, not the benefit of the media. >> what about charging for rights to the convention? >> we kind of do that now. when media outlets have to build out a box obviously there is a fee that has to be paid. we can't bear the cost of the actual structures.

i think there are certain things obviously that might be hands-off. all i am saying is i believe that this is the beginning of a process of exploration. that both parties should do >> my colleague e-mails me. only registered republicans can vote. would you encourage convention delegates to have a rule change requiring closed primaries in 2020? >> i believe -- let the delegates to with a want to do. i believe that only republicans should vote and republican primaries and contests. >> you would -- >> i believe in closed primaries and contests is the answer. i favor whatever needs to be done to make better reality. >> in december 2012 decommissioned the growth and opportunity project, which is been called an honest review of the 2012 election cycle.

what is the biggest -- >> i call to the growth and opportunity report. [laughter] >> i might slip up once in a while. >> what is the biggest recommendation of that report? that has been achieved? i think the data piece and the targeting piece. it's hard to see because it is in the weeds, but getting data, buying consumer data, consensus data, and then putting it in an application that easy for a field staff to use, central location has been the biggest change at the rnc. when you put almost $100 million without the white house, net cash, over four years into the system, it's a really hard thing to do. we have been doing it. we have been out raising the dnc and outworking the dnc for four years straight.

it's undeniable. i don't think anyone write stories that thinks the dnc is doing better. that has been the biggest -- the other big change is and it sounds very basic but it is actually important is that we are the year-round party now. we used to be a party that would accumulate cash in a bucket. you would have $50 million cash on hand and in the nominee would walk in in may or june say let's go spend it all. one some people write articles -- one of your guys did that the other day. the problem is instead of having one full-time employee in ohio now, we have 29 or active 48. we are trying to get up to a hundred. we have the republican leadership initiative with thousands of people involved. engagement and black and hispanic communities. we are spending a ton of money too. deciding we are not going to be

a party that shows up three months before november. it's a tough business model because you are going to keep raising revenues in the keep going up and up and it does not matter if the environment around you gets people concerned. you have to keep doing it. >> the republican leaders of all sorts getting credit for bringing the party back with your relentless fundraising. but still it would be nowhere near a match for the infrastructure of the clintons and the obamas. >> so far that is not been the case. we about raised the democrats every year for the last four years. i think even the last six years. we are ahead right now. the rnc, we build our infrastructure around the rnc. targeted congressional senate, candidates tap into that operation. what the democrats do is they

build around the nominee, the candidate. it was barack obama the building $100 million data system in chicago. what hillary clinton has now done is something you never expected. she did not want to spend billions of dollars in new york or indiana and now millions of dollars in california. they are worrying about how are they did with this thing away. >> thank you c-span for carrying us live. the growth and opportunity project. many minorities wrongly think

the republicans do not like them or want them in the country. what now? >> that is a part of being in the community. i think people can write all the books in the world they want about how the -- how to communicate, but if you're not in the community -- how do you square that with the perception of what donald trump has been saying? >> there are two parts of this. there is the mechanics. if you not mechanically in the community with people trying to talk about our party and school choice and sba loans for business owners, is somewhat is not there, nothing is going to change. you also need to have the tone at the top be the tone of people believe -- obviously you like them. if you don't like them, they're not going to vote for you. i think there is work to do. i think there was work on tone to.

-- to do. this is not like breaking news. i said this recently. i have. and he understands it. that is what i'm saying. is not like him telling you one thing. and could this be possible, it is very possible because i think he gets it. i think you will see it and you will see the change in town. -- tone. you add into that the fact that we are in the hispanic and black communities every day. you saw the numbers in 2014. that is a midterm by cory gardner got 46% of the hispanic vote in colorado. we spent $7 million or $8 million in colorado. romney would of just gotten 10% -- john kasich at 20% of the black vote. if -- we're talking about long-term commitment to hispanic, black communities,

asian communities, every community in between. the full-time year-round party that understands that it's important for us to do that work. >> you saw yesterday the donald trump tweeted a picture of himself eating from a tortilla bowl with a big dollop of sour cream in it. >> i heard about it. you can imagine i had other things to deal with yesterday afternoon. >> between says "happy #cincodemayo. i love hispanics." >> he is trying. [laughter] he is trying. and i will tell you what. i honestly think he understands that the building and unifying and growing the party is the only way we're going to win. i think he gets that. >> would you think when they --

what did you think when they told you about the tweet? >> honestly i had other pressing matters that i was dealing with that were far more important than that tweet. >> what are your plans for the convention? >> we don't have to worry about three separate headquarters, hotels, programming is something we are working through. a lot of things are already done. the stage is done. there are things that just have to happen. we moved it up seven weeks of july. while we were talking about an open convention it seemed like i was a genius for doing that. now we just have to get cruising and get going. >> do you feel like a genius? >> no. [laughter] no, i don't. i think we have done a great job at the rnc. when it comes to a confident national party i don't think anyone in this room can say this national committee is not the

best mechanically rounded confident committee we never -- we ever had. >> what you like about cleveland the city? >> i am from wisconsin. milwaukee is like the big metropolis. i like the lake. i think having our convention in cleveland will pay out big dividends for winning ohio. i think people, even if they are independent and democrats, i think the understandable we have done for the city of cleveland by going to cleveland and putting them in the spotlight. i think it will pay off than we are excited about it. -- and we excited about it. >> who controls the public line up in cleveland, you or donald trump? >> a little of both. it's the republican party's convention. you work together in order to put a program together that we think is going to be effective. >> you interviewed last month

and said donald trump it's important to put some sure things into the convention or people are going to fall asleep. do you agree that convention should have more of a showbiz feel? >> it like the idea of having more of a fun convention with showbiz, if it is entertainment, whatever the is maybe. with every suggestion comes millions of dollars in money so the suggestions are great but there has to be a pretty big influx of cash to do something like that. >> donald trump said the tampa convention was the single most boring convention i have ever seen. [laughter] >> i do not agree with that. we will have to talk about that issue yet. >> he says we don't of the -- have the people who know how to

put showbiz into the convention. what sort of people you reaching out to to program the convention? >> i have not really gone there yet. it's only been a few days. i had dinner with our ceo of the convention last night. they are doing a great job. they've got good people in charge. >> how worried are you about money for the convention. >> we are good on the money. it is the dnc that has problems. there is a portion of the funding that the rnc kicks in anywhere from $14 million to $17 million and i think we are about 80% raised. the dnc is maybe 10% raised. mr. allen: went to the people have in common? they all say they are not coming to the convention. there is a tough race in new hampshire and. do you worry about 70 key leaders sitting it out? -- so many key leaders sitting out? mr. priebus: if they are in

cycle, most of the time you're not coming to the convention. you have to look at people in cycle. if they are in cycle most of the time they are not coming. you asking that i do not think claire mccaskill went four years ago. did she? i think it happens. people make their own choices. mr. allen: some officials in the highest rung of republican leadership are advising the rank-and-file members to stay away from cleveland. a gop leader took cnn privately he advises collects old camping rallies and town halls during the time of the july convention. a senior senate gop leader echoed that sentiment.

are you worried there is a fear among your leaders that cleveland is going to be perhaps toxic? mr. priebus: not really. kind of the are all are clamoring for hotels and suites. i know what they are asking for. i know if we only had another 1000 rooms for a lot of the different groups that are representing elected officials, we would be in good shape. mr. allen: cnn reports bob dole is coming. mr. priebus: great. [laughter] mr. allen: democrats are licking their chops about the possibility of the blowout. donald trump will either win 48 states or lose 44 states. do you sometimes feel that way? mr priebus: i don't. i think this will be a close election. i think people are divided. we have seen the last couple of elections that of the electoral college looks different. i think it will be tight. we will do a weekend and ensure we win. mr. allen: what is the

percentage chance that donald trump will be hillary clinton. mr. priebus: i don't know. i think he will win and you have got to look at hillary clinton. she has got a letter to answer for -- a lot to answer for. if there is one person in a set -- who knows how to bring all of that out in a way that people can understand it, it's donald trump. he's going to do it too. he is going to bring it all out. unfortunately for hillary clinton, it is not going to be very comfortable. she has a lot to answer for. mr. allen: if current polling holds -- the new york times upshot -- mr. priebus: sometimes in the party begin criticized.

we don't hit hard enough. we did not talk about some of the things that have happened in barack obama's life during 2008. i don't think donald trump will have a hard time bringing out some of the things that are going to be not good for hillary clinton. mr. allen: what is your specific scenario where donald trump winter home state of wisconsin? mr. priebus: wisconsin can be a populist place. you look up in sean duffy's district in the seventh up north and may be in the sixth along the congressional district, i think donald trump does pretty well. i think hillary clinton is someone that people in wisconsin

just don't buy. bill clinton was different. in wisconsin. he has got a little bit more of the i would like to have a beer this guy kind of feel. that is not hillary clinton. that's a scenario that i think people are not giving enough credit to. mr. priebus: donald trump does not drink. do you predict donald trump will win this constant -- wisconsin? mr. priebus: i think he will but you have to look at a garlic ron johnson. i think he's in very fortunate to draw. like hillary clinton, they are in the same mold. retreads, people that are always coming around and bringing the same message. people rejected russ feingold. i think ron johnson is a part of this that people are not talking about either. mr. allen: a question than a quick rapid round. what other states decide -- besides wisconsin do you predict that donald trump may win or could win that romney did not? mr. priebus: i think he could win ohio, florida, pennsylvania, iowa.

i think he could put michigan and minnesota in play. minnesota is a state that is hard to predict sometimes. i know obviously they went for walter mondale, in 1984 he is from there, people like jesse ventura. governor tim plenty. every once in a while minnesota flips. i think donald trump. could play in states like that. mr. allen: you are elected chair in 2011. you are reelected in 2015. are you going for a four-peat. mr. priebus: i will figure that out after november. i will figure it out after november. mr. allen: kyl says are you absolutely certain you will seek another term as chairman? i have them -- have not heard them rule out a fourth term. probably not but i have not decided.

we will keep it there. mr. allen: speaker right has -- ryan has talked about this. what is a future of your physical office? mr. priebus: my aquarium. i have a 29 gallon aquarium. it looks like little nemo in there. it's a peaceful view during the day. mr. allen: why is that there? mr. priebus: listen, i love saltwater tanks and the challenge of them. if anyone out there is a saltwater tank person, you know it is to be an addictive habit. is an expensive hobby but i really enjoy it. it is a lot of fun. mr. allen: that's a surprising mr. priebus: i don't know if it's surprising that the tank stuff is a hobby. the piano is a hobby that is good for relaxing. i've been getting better because i have in -- have been

practicing a lot more lately. mr. allen: what do you enjoy playing? mr. priebus: i like giving around. i like playing anything. classical, jazz, blues, anything. sheet music. mr. allen: will we see you playing in cleveland? mr. priebus: doubtful of possible. mr. allen: what job if you have if you were not rnc chairman? mr. priebus: i was a lawyer for 14 years in milwaukee. i always wanted to be a pilot. mr. allen: what? [laughter] mr. priebus: my debt is a pilot and he built an airplane in the garage. it lives or have the year in

texas with a have a hangar in a grass runway with other folks that do the same thing on the lake. there was a little bit of a latent passion for being a pilot. if all else fails, i would like to be a catcher in the milwaukee brewers bullpen. not a real catcher, just catching balls in the bullpen. that would be a great job. just sitting there catching balls. mr. allen: they are 11-17 to they could use you. the president said that gop chairman is here, glad to see you feel you earned a night off. congratulations. [laughter] mr. priebus: i would've never thought being from kenosha, wisconsin that when it president would actually not just say my name but know how to pronounce it. i got off easy. i was thinking. ok, here we go this is going to get bad. and but it didn't. i came out pretty good. mr. allen: what is your favorite restaurant in d.c.? mr. priebus: i love going to cobbs on 8th street with sally and the kids. i love the greek food. in kenosha, wisconsin it is villa de carlo, best pizza in

america. i cannot help but go there every time i am home. mr. allen: when you are done with this job do you stay or go home? mr. priebus: my ideal scenario would be to go home and make sure the kids have a normal life. mr. allen: what is your favorite vacation destination? you cannot say cleveland. [laughter] mr. priebus: i would say there is a resort in jamaica that i liked called goldeneye. it's cool. mr. allen: with your prediction -- what is your prediction for the world champion green bay packers? mr. priebus: i predict this is their year. i like their draft. obviously there is no one better than aaron rodgers.

if we can just get the defense straight. they did pretty well in the last couple of games. i'm feeling good. for us, it's not good enough to be good. you have to win the super bowl. mr. allen: thank all of you out in livestream land. thanks to c-span and thanks to bank of america for making these conversations possible. we appreciate our longtime partnership with you. i thought the chairman's staff who made this appearance possible. thanks to all my hard-working colleagues who bounced back after last weekend's as big as -- to make this possible. thank you for coming out on a early morning. thank you for a great conversation. see you in cleveland and enjoy the bailey's. mr. priebus: thank you everybody. [applause] [captions copyright national

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