de luce previews president obama's visit to vietnam. we take calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. host: good morning. a live view of the u.s. capitol as the rain continues yet again on this sunday morning. the east coast is ready for a break from the weather. congress in session this week with the house taking up a number of bills on energy and water projects, as well as an expected vote in the house resolving the debt crisis for puerto rico. the deadline is looming in early july. in the senate, republican john mccain introducing amendment to increase military spending above the current budget cap. and house senate conferees likely will need to work on a funding of the zika virus in

order to reach an agreement on how much to spend, why the disparity between what the president wants, what the senate has approved, and what the senate has ok'ed o. this may 22, we'll be talking politics, t.s.a. security, and u.s.-vietnam relations. the president in vietnam today for the start of a week-long asia trip, but we want to begin with a discussion on the state of black america, based on a report issue this had past week that shows team economic disparity between whites and blacks in our country. we're dividing our phone lines as follows. for african-americans, the number is 202-748-8000. or all others, 202-748-8001. the president and c.e.o. of the national urban institute tweed out this as well, but we'll get to your tweets or join us on facebook. this is what the report looks like. it's available online from the national urban league, and again, the president of that institution says, with every

economic down turn, communities of color bore the brunt of the decline, black americans remain nearly twice as likely as whites to be unemployed since 1976. the black unemployment rate has consistently remained twice that regardless of education. household income gap remains about 50 cents for every dollar. black americans are only slightly less likely today to live in poverty than they were back in 1976. this is 940th anniversary of the report bit national urban league, and so we want a conversation with you about the state of black america, and, again, for african-americans, 202-748-8000. join in on the conversation on facebook or send us a tweet. here's more from the head of the national urban league. >> as our president wraps up his final month as the nation's first african-american commander in chief, we begin to assess the progress black

america has made under his administration. how well has the nation record from the worst economic crisis it has seen in generations? how much closer are we to the very important goals of universal healthcare coverage? has obamacare gotten it? as president obama said in his recent commencement address at howard university, my election did not create a post-racial society. r. president, you are right. the national urban equality index tells an all too familiar story of persistent racial disparity in american life. your presidency has, however, made a difference, a profound difference, and we are proud of it. yet we cannot in eight short ears eliminate america's

long-standing challenges, but your presidency has given it new energy. host: that was marc morial. let's look at the economic figures, courtesy of the labor department, and the comparison over the last couple of years. the most recent unemployment rate, the total rate is 5%. for white americans, it's 4.3%. for african-americans, it's 8.8%. compare that to asians at about 3.8%, and hispanics just over 6%. as a comparison to what it was like back in april of 2009 with the unemployment rate at 8.9%. again, you can see for blacks, nearly double what it was for whites back in april of 2009. again, that courtesy of the labor department. many of you weighing in on facebook. you can do so with facebook.com/cspan. this is what some of your comments look like as we listen to anthony from hyattsville, maryland. good morning to you, sir. caller: good morning. good morning, everybody, on

c-span. my comment is pretty much the same. it's a long-standing thing that's going on in this country since the emancipation. when blacks were freed. they were told to go on your own, but we're not going to help you. and we see today where there's plenty of employment in this country, reasons for employment, but instead of hiring the blacks here, the foreigners are hired, even illegal immigration by donald trump, he says he's against it. but if you see corporations like him and disney, who have visa people bought in, and theyen couraging the illegal immigration, because they won't hire. no one wants to hire a black man because -- i guess it's because you got your freedom, do it on your own if you can is the comment.

speeches mencements the president is going to, these people nowadays have degrees. you can't say you're a slave, not qualified, not educated. we are qualified. we are educated now. there's still a disparity that continues instead of hiring an educated black man. we hire someone from another country. it's just sad. host: anthony, thank you for the call from hyattsville, maryland. a couple of your comments from our facebook or twitter pages, from one viewer saying, in wiping out real estate and jobs, the bush economy devastated middle class black america. and there's this comment from jim, who says as long as black america thinks government is the solution instead of personal responsibility, nothing will change. let's go to sissy joining us from baltimore, maryland. good morning to you. caller: and good morning to you. you are my favorite, favorite program at 7:00 in the morning.

host: well, we are glad to be with you. thank you for joining us. caller: i think the problem with african-americans is going to be the constant -- let me see, how can i put it, the destruction of the public education system. seems to me to be looming large, and unless we as rican-americans devote a significant amount of time to the education of our young children, younger children, we are going to fail. we have to put all of our attention just about on educating our people. if you do not have an educated population and a healthy population, you are going to fail. and that is no question about that. and this constant picking at the public school system, defunding money, taking away programs, making sure our children don't have education,

no english, no reading, this is going to render us a failed group. and we've got to figure that out real quick, and i don't care where you jump in, but we need to work constantly on education. thank you. host: thank you very much for the call. there's a piece from the president and chief executive officer of the kaiser family foundation, available on the "wall street journal" website two. studies draw different conclusions on the state of black america t. reads in part as follows -- in the past few weeks, one report paunt a picture of real progress in the african-american community with gains on many critical measures, while another, a survey my organization conducted with the "new york times," painted an alarming portrait of life for african-americans in chicago and the prospect for african-american youth there. but more than positive and negative portrayals, both are accurate, the positive and negative portrayals, but it's very clear why statistical

progress is hard for african-american residents in cities like chicago or baltimore or ferguson to appreciate. the more positive picture came in the "new york times" constituted by federal data showing significant gains for black americans and infant mortality, suicide rates, teen births, and even deaths among some homicide, which held significantly. the other study taking a look at the national urban league, which shows the disparity between whites and blacks. the full essay available online at wsj.com. our line for african-americans is 202-748-8000. for all others, 202-748-8001. our question, what is the state of black america based on this new report from the national urban league? san antonio, texas, good morning. caller: good morning. i totally agree with your first two callers. i consider myself a person of color. area worked in the i.t.

for 40 years under the u.s. air force and the department of air force. it's basically all white. the key is education. education is key in the world. i don't advise against anyone, but i tell you this, as long as e have people who are -- who push forward to have prejudiced ideas, we are going to have a problem. and i think that's enough said, thank you. host: thanks for the call. cypress, texas, good morning. welcome to the conversation. caller: good morning. i'm calling in regards to, you know, the african-american state. you know, african-american,

just like all other foreigners and all, they come here, and what they do is they put their money behind all these politicians, and you have people going in there and lobby for the things that they want. and that ain't nothing -- african-americans do the same thing. for what? instead they go spend their money on, like, $100 tennis shoes and this, that, and the other. and then when some of them -- when it come to jobs, you look at them, i would not hire you if you come with your pants hanging off your butt, you know ? and you speak in this -- you speak in like -- you have a degree in education. not all of them are like that. but again, until we start looking at ourselves, racism is here, it's going to be here till the day it is gone. there's no way around that. people are going to be that, and that's in always, it's not just blacks and whites. everybody smazz form of race nism them. my thing is -- i was one of those people, when i was younger, but as i grew older and i say, you know what, it is not -- i can't control how

these people is. what i got to do is focus on myself. i got to channel this energy in another way. host: can i ask you a question? what was the worst form of racism you ever experienced? you personally. caller: well, i was -- to be the t with you, it was law, the police, and god as my witness, you know, these people st boldly lied and took my years from me for nothing, you know? if i'd have done it, yes, i will tell you, on my mother, rest in peace, yes, did i it, i was prepared to suffer the consequences for my action, but they actually lied right there. and there was nothing i could do to the fact i didn't have no type of financial tools to get a lawyer. and again, you know, after a

while i held on to anger for that, and i have to let that go. the lord blessed me. and i'm blessed today. it's all due to god. host: thank you. caller: but again, i think if blacks stop focusing on other people, focus on themselves, they'll an lot better and learn to figure out what's more priority instead of tennis shoes or, you know, job and your future. host: appreciate the call. we're asking about the state of black america. we welcome our listeners on c-span radio, heard nationwide on sirius x.m. here in the baltimore-washington area, 90e.1 f.m. on the dial. some comments on our facebook page, including this from curt, who says by every measure blacks were better off before barack obama was twice elected by the nation's economic and political morons is his point of view. and brad says democrats have destroyed the black community for votes. public schools are a failure. over regulation and high crime has kept businesses from

expanding in their communities. we go to stone mountain, georgia, good morning. caller: good morning, steve. it's caroline. i think we're in a pretty bad state still, a little better, however, there's a lot of factors that are contributing to the overall state as marc morial said earlier, there isn't that -- we do have president obama to thank for exposing it, talking about it more. i think that that's a good thing. i think that education is a problem. i think that lack of good education is a problem. i also think that our prison system and the prison industrial complex and the laws are a problem. that does prevent a lot of people of color, jobs, and access to good wages, so there are a lot of factors. host: thanks for the call from

stone mountain, georgia. new york "daily news" reporting the democrats are creating a political action committee in order to bolster the black turnout in the 2016 election. rand a joining us from williamsburg, virginia, on our line for all others. good morning, randy. caller: yes, good morning, c-span, and good morning, america. i have a unique perspective on this. i own a children's health and wellness program that supplies facilities to schools. over the last -- here in virginia. over the last 14 years, i visited many of the same in ls numerous times, newport news, in richmond, and other urban and rural areas. and i believe that the state of the black community in schools greater aiting to grow

and better as the last generation. i would encourage the adult black community to just stay strong and keep educating and loving their children. i see that in schools. i never see anything else. so i know the family is there supporting these children, because in elementary school, i've just never had a problem with one student, and it doesn't make a difference where they are. urban or rural. host: how many years have you doing this? caller: well, i've been commenting on c-span for, well, 15 years, on c-span, but i've been operating my business for 14 years. and i work routinely with the most challenged students in virginia. and often, my data reflects

better behavior, better cademics when exposes -- exposed to people like myself who have 100% buy-in. i throw every dollar i have back into my program, and i love the children that i train. and i've been, like i said, i've made almost 1,200 school when i its since 2002 first started this business. for instance, here in virginia, in the richmond public schools, we have failing facilities and poor management. and when a program like mine that is operated in 23 of the richmond public schools and has had this wonderful measured outcome, yet at the most reasonable rate, i mean, a kid in my program is $3.33 an hour.

if you were to compare that to a school-based program, that can reach $50 and $65 an hour. host: randy, we're going to have to move on. but very quickly, what's the name of your program? caller: the name of my business is virginia is for education, and i have mobile fitness facilities. they're 50-foot trailers that have 30 stationary bikes. i've been on the most challenged block in washington, d.c., all the way to richmond, conveyor mount court, you name, it i've been there. host: i'm going to stop you there. thank you very much am we have a lot of people who want to weigh in, but appreciate your call and your contribution. audrey joining us from macon, georgia, the state of black america, audrey, what is it? caller: first of all, steve, i love your program. i do not care for the term african-american. i am not an african-american. i'm a black woman. and as far as the state of black america, i think black

america is growing. i have four black grandsons, every one of them is college educated. one just graduated two weeks go, political science. i voluntary in the school. -- i volunteer in the school. i have raised my children. i have helped my children raise their children, and i adopted two little boys that i'm raising. i think black america is growing. but at the same time, we are being oppressed because we're black. don't push us down. just stand back. if you don't to want help us, stand back and let us roll. we going to be ok. host: audrey, thank you very much for the call. this is a story this morning, front page of "the washington post," a new poll from abc news and "the washington post" basically showing a dead heat between hillary clinton and donald trump. they write, the coming campaign between clinton and trump begins in a virtual dead heat,

a competition between two candidates viewed unfavorably by a majority of the current he lack rate and with voters motivated as much by whom they don't like as by whom they do. never in the history of the poll have two major party nominees been viewed as harshly as hillary clinton and donald trump. nearly six in 10 registered voters say they have negative impressions of both major candidates. overall clinton's net negative rating among registered voters, minus 16. trump is minus 17. the full story and the poll available online at washingtonpost.com. you can also check it out on abc news. dan lippman of politte co-is going to join us to talk about the poll and the race as it winds down for the democrats, with a couple of primaries in early june. we're asking you about the state of black america. tony is joining us, san antonio, texas, the line for all others. your perspective on this, tony? caller: yeah, hi there. listen, the state of affairs in

the united states is transcending race, whether you're black or whether you're brown or whether you're white. the establishment has set up a system that does not allow people to succeed. and one of the main culprits is the mainstream media, because bernie sanders is still in the running. there's 10 more states that need to have a better primary election, and minimum wage at $7.25 is slave wage. and i'll tell you why. in 1980, i worked at a job that paid $10 an hour. that was still not enough. so you're telling me that 36 years later, people are still working for $7.25 an hour. or $7.25 an hour. this is mind-boggling. host: tony, thank you for the call. we'll go to james in collins,

mississippi. good morning. caller: good morning. host: how are you, james? caller: i wanted to speak to you guys about the black african-american dissent about the economics. if you would look at a cumentary, approximate african-americans in 1921, how in south carolina, south carolina, north carolina, where they had businesses, they had all kind of schools. they had neighborhoods, not just communities, -- i mean, communities, not just neighbors. back in 19 1, when this population of african-american business people, the white people got upset with them, and they went in and they destroyed their community because of the growth of the african-americans. and so now, in 2016, you got a

lot of african-american politicians, and they're just thinking about themselves, because if you go back -- take the camera down in some of these communities. if down and talk to the people that live in these areas where there is no prosperity. all i see is black politicians n tv sitting on tv, cnn, all these other stations, talking about it. if you're a politician, you need to go into your neighborhood, go into your community, and c-span, i would hope that you all would have a national segment about having people that live in these communities talk about it, go down into the neighborhoods, and you will see a lot of things that you don't see with these polses. most of the black politicians now, they're basically trying to hold up themselves. they're not worried about our community. they're not worried about our schools. just look at all the politicians we have now. we have senators.

but in the black african-american communities, there's still a lot of poor businesses. no businesses, but you got liquor stores on every morning. you got all these things, and we got all these black politicians, especially the old er politicians, the one that's backing mrs. clinton, those older people, they gave their vote to hillary clinton before they even have a debate about her, and then you notice the -- if you get one person running for the democratic party, one person, if it wasn't for bernie sanders, she would have walk in, right? she would have walk in, and that's a problem. but now when president barack obama ran, you had four, five, six, seven. this thing was set up for the democratic party to have mrs. clinton to be president because you eir debacle, and now got all these african-american women and all these

african-american leaders running behind mrs. clinton, because they say it's time for a woman, but i say this here. it was more than one woman could have ran for the democratic party. it was more than one. you had hispanics, blacks, you had native americans, but you get just one person, i'm not a racist person, but i know politics. and now we got this democratic party, these older people denying these young people, bernie sanders open the doors up. and then like i said, 500 private delegates, and she's winning? you got a lot of blacks going to be -- host: ok. i'm going to stop include. we have a lot of people who want to get in. we have this comment from patricia, who has this on facebook. again, join us online at facebook. she says, we tend to ignore that our great recession hit the poor the hardest and that the children of our ex-slaves started from the poorest place. we get ahead mostly by what our parents can give us. and the huffington post has a

story on the state of black america. here's what you need to know about black america, the 2016 report is an annual study issued by the national urban league that takes a detailed look at the quality of black life in america compared to white this. year's report, which marks 40 years since the study was founded, not only examines the current state of black america across areas like the economy, health, education, social justice, and citizen engagement, it also scores the successes and the setbacks black people have faced from 1976 to 2016. marc mor yal says this is one of the most important reports to be release this had year, adding, taking a look that there's a number of establishment issues, the need for stronger policies that confront racial inequality across america. the white house this past week, press secretary josh earnest was asked about it. >> all of america is better since president obama took office, and black america is better since president obama

took office. no matter how you, on almost any measure that i can think of, whether it comes to graduation rates, access to healthcare or the strength of our economy and job creation, by every measure our economy and our country is stronger, not just for african-americans, but for all americans. host: white house press secretary josh earnest earlier this past week, talking about the state of black america. helen is joining us from alabama. good morning. caller: good morning. i love your show. i watch it daily. i'm an older woman. i'm third generation from slavery. one of the main problems is the blacks was never intended to be middle class. and if you think about the person, the people that have kept the slavery for 400 years is the one that is in the system. they had no intention to ever climb up the corporate ladder.

and i remember my procedure worked for 25 cents a day. as old as i am right now, although i'm a retired nurse, and when i went into nursing many, many years ago, it was xpected to be able to learn. we have a long way, but we have , shut off the television and put a book in your children's hands and get them interested in reading. you'll be surprised what you learn. and thank you very much. host: helen, can i ask, how old are you? caller: i'm 87. host: how many children and grandchildren do you have? host: well, i have three children, seven grandchildren, 12 great-grandchildren. host: wow. caller: about eight great-great

grandchildren. host: wise advice. thank you for the call from evergreen, alabama. norma is next, cleveland, ohio. good morning to you. caller: good morning. i would just say that these numbers are not new. they're pretty consistent. we have had twice the unemployment rate of whites. the only time the black unemployment rate diminishes is when white unemployment is extremely high. as far as youth counter culture, white youth counter culture is there, tattoos, saggy pants, do not stop white people from getting hired. the issue is not necessarily that blacks are not educated, but we still haven't -- we still have the bias. we still have racism we deal with. there are countless studies that have shown you can have black applicants, black sounding names, we don't get called back for interviews, even though they have all the requisite skills, they might be

a bit overqualified. you also have situations where you have blacks and whites going for a job, and the black person doesn't get the job. you can have black males with dredge degrees who lose jobs to white males who not only don't have degrees, but also might have a record. this is a fact, it's been shown over and over again. until we can become a post-racial society, blacks are going to have problems. they still carry the slave legacy, even though we've been out of slavery for a long time now. that racism and that bias is still there. and we struggle. host: norma, thank you for the call. this is from a viewer who said last night watched the movie "all the way" on hbo. there was a time when america did great things to improve the lot of americans. but this from the website, frontpage.com, and the headline focused on the war on poverty,

how liberal right welfare state destroyed black america. president johnson in 1964 launched the so-called war on worth, which enacted an unprecedented amount of anti-poverty legislation, adding new layers to the american welfare state, thus began modern liberalism's vicious and unrelenting assault on black americans. here's more from early january, 1964. president johnson. president johnson: the richest to on on earth can afford win it. we cannot afford to lose it. 1,000 invested in salvaging an employable youth today can return $40,000 or more in his lifetime. poverty is a national problem.

it requires improved national rganization and support. but this attack must also be organized at the state and local level and must be supported and directed by state and local efforts. for the war against poverty will not be won near washington . it must be won in the field. in every private home. in every public office, from the courthouse to the white house. host: president johnson in 196 , declaring the war on poverty accident and the same year in which the civil rights act was signed into law, and a year later, the voting rights acts. we're asking about you the state of black america. a report was issued this past week by the national urban league is available online on the urban league website. also getting your tweets.

this is from jay who says the state of black america "not as good as it used to be due to illegal immigration and bad job policy." that's from jay. this is another tweet from a viewer who says president obama appointed more black people as federal judges than any other president in american history. bobby is joining us, roanoke, virginia, good morning. what is the state of black america, bobby? caller: yes, i would like for y'all to have people on there like me that, you know what i'm saying, you see what i'm saying, and like i say, i see how people -- people like me, but y'all should have people in there like me. you got to understand how the youth look at situation. you grow up in the hood, so all we see on tv is -- all of us can't be in the nfl, so all we see is rappers. all we see is street people around us. you know what i'm saying?

a father can't afford the nice stuff and all that, so we look at that, and we want that, see what i'm saying? -- this is me time, what we glorify. so i put that on tv and look in street, that's what we gone in a go for. who don't want the nice stuff. i was 14 years old, because i wanted nice stuff, too, what you know i'm saying? grandma say pick up a book, it's easy to say, and people talk about 1980's, but man, there's more people in the world, know what i'm saying? we can't compare about what in the old days work in the new day. and sometimes i look at donald trump, sometimes he be speaking the truth on some things, because it's like illegal immigrants, you see what i'm saying, that messed a lot of

black people up with jobs, and so when they came over, i go to prison, and i come out and get a mcdonald's job, i got kids, and i'm used to a little bit of money, what's this going to do? then i try to get a good job, and they turn me down, and like i say, it's back to the streets. host: so are you selling drugs today? caller: i do what i got to do, man. do what i got to do. like i said, i got kids to take care of. host: let me follow up am how do you break the cycle for you and others in your generation who clearly want to get a job, can't get a job because of your past? how does it change? caller: it's hard, man. it's hard, man, because i just say, you go to prison, you come out, it's a lot of people who

sitting down, you know what i'm saying, man, we call, we going to do this, we going to do that. and then when you come home, it's frustrated. so what a person go back to. they go back to what you do. host: how many years were new prison, bobby? caller: i got about 10 years in prison. host: and how old are you now? caller: i'm 37. host: how many children do you have? caller: i looking -- i be like -- i never been watching that, but i been watching -- my favorite challenge is fox news, and people look at me like, how can you like fox news? because they speak the truth. you know what i'm saying? i feel like republicans, they look all nice as democrats. host: who are you going to vote for in november? who will you vote for?

caller: i can't even vote, man. host: let me ask you, because in virginia, there was a bill, but an executive order that will allow those who have been incarcerated who are back in society to vote. ill you be among them? caller: i'm going to check it out. i got a lot of kids. my oldest two kids, they doing good. look my oldest son, he about to graduate. , so my cepted to unlv daughter, she like -- they doing good. you do there, e, ou can speak to the youth. they don't understand it. they was raised in the hood, and that's a different hood, man. i'm tired of people saying, well, we was in the hood.

it's a different hood, man. it was a different time. i wouldn't have been table take care of a lot of things. hey said how i look at it. i stod up for what i did, you see what i'm saying? i know what i was doing wrong, but i made that choice to do it. you see what i'm saying? at the same time, man, like i said, you got a lot of stuff that goes on in the black hood, man, that -- it's a lot of people that want to do right, man, but sometimes when they get in the gang, they find out then no way out. like i say, you go back to what you do. pick up a book, man, everything ain't in a book. you see what i'm saying? it's real life out here, man. scommoip your kids need you, of course. host: they need me, and they

need stuff, too. so i got to provide. like i said, man, i'm going to do what i have to do to out, , man, i see a way you know. host: bobby, thank you for phoning in. we appreciate your contribution to the program. good luck to you. hope all goes well. bobby from roanoke, virginia. let's hear from more of you. this is from roy from rochester, michigan, our line for all others. good morning, welcome to the conversation. caller: good morning. somebody asked for a post-racial america. let's start with a scientific fact. quoting a noted black, and i'm putting that in quotation marks, journalist, pulitzer prize winner from "the miami herald" over a year ago sub punished a scientific fact. in the year 2000, that's 15 years ago, research scientists studied the d.n.a. of five people of four different races.

again, i put that in qtation marks, and determined that there's no marker that identifies people by race. their final comment was, the concept of race has no scientific basis. in other words, there is no such thing as race. there's no black america. no white america. yellow, brown, red america, martians, no green americans, ok? so if you understand that there is no such thing as race, then you can understand that while there's racism, it's based strictly on appearance, not about what's alike about all of this, and in fact, what's different. the only thing that is different being skin coloration. check a professor of anthropology at penn state university and her paper, see a rainbow if you want more on this, why is this? it's because too many people are making too much money on

divisiveness, and it's on all sides of this issue, and if up to the follow the money as the man said, follow the money. ou'll find out why this racism continues to exist. it's self-identification, and the identification of other people, and you won't get a post-racial america until people understand the scientific fact and the scientific fact is taught in schools, it's been known for 15 years, and ignored for 15 years. host: roy from michigan, thank you. bobby has this tweet, the federal government should create jobs in poor cities, fix the problem where it exists. you can share your thoughts, cspanwj. tweet at we're asking, what is the state of black america? next up is dr. mitchell from hollywood, florida. good morning. welcome to the conversation. caller: yes, i'm very good.

that you guys are following up on the report from the urban league. now the question would be our thoughts on the state of black america. you know, when your editorial board gets together in the mornings and put out information, so you're going to get a variety. you're going to get an awful lot of responses. but then when we think about it, the black organizations, the congressional black caucus and all others should have the annual report audited and reviewed before we release, so that we can all be on one accord. now we must include from the time that reparation was mentioned and the state of reparation, and inclusive. bring it up to date so that we ll can know the bottom line.

now this is in all communities. so we're not saying that we are separate, but we do want to have taxation without representation would mean that if we're not being treated fairly, then we have to bring it up before the congress and let it be known we're not getting our share, and this is what it's all about. but we do want it to be known you just don't throw stuff out there and think that it's going to be deja vu all over again. so i really think that in all fairness, we need to have everybody and these young people who are coming up now should get into college, get their degrees, get these jobs that's available, because they are available. and these organizations that's getting money to demeel our

communities must also be fair and share. it's about really fairness. i think when we analyze and we get to the bottom of thirnings it's about fairness. it's about equal rights. it's about civil rights. it's about justice. no peace, no justice. so i'm grateful to c-span, but when we throw that question out there what is the state of black america, it's our thoughts on the state of black america. you say there's a report, so now the feedback is, what's our response. what do we think on it? how do we feel about it, and we should go from here. nibble doing the right thing now. when we look at it, reparation almost passed. it was just, i believe, just shy of a couple of votes. but it could have passed. all the other issues from

israel, from every other group, every other country can get their reparation. now, i think in all fairness, we need to discuss what's being done in reference to the fairness that should have been done. you can't sweep it under the rug. what should have been done? host: thank you very much for the call from florida. quick look at the "new york times," donald trump is the cover story, a look at his unexpected win as the republican nominee and details of the people anled donald trump. "time" magazine this past thursday, the battle. bathroom from schools to state houses, what's really at stake. and the weekly standard out with its 1,000th issue. let's hear more from marc morial as he tax about what is equivalent to a marshall plan program we saw after world war ii, saying we need to spend over the next five years a trillion dollars to help merica's inner cities.

>> therefore, proposes a sweeping and decisive solution to the nation's most persistent social and economic disparity, the main street marshall plan, from poverty to shared prosperity, the main street marshall plan, from poverty to shared prosperity. if we could rebuild the banks, if we can rebuild europe, if we can rebuild baghdad, this strategic investment in our urban communities, right here in the united states of america , it necessities a commitment, a commitment of $1 trillion over the next five years, some say, can we afford it? i say we cannot afford not to do it. our city -- [applause]

>> from east baltimore to the south side of chicago, to cleveland, to buffalo, to the industry midwest, to the sun belt, there's too many neighborhoods locked out and left out. for whom this recovery has bypassed them. , the oice, my voice strength, the power, the history of the urban league behind align squarely behind their interests. host: that's the head of the national urban league, and this headline from "the washington post," looking at the upcoming november election, and despite black lives matter, young black americans are not voting in higher numbers. kathleen joining from us baltimore. ood morning. caller: i don't think the subject should be what's wrong with black america, but seriously, there's a great deal of problems with so-called

white america. however, i'm 80 years old. i'm a sibling of 12 children, six brothers, five went into service, and i would give anything to talk to a republican and let them know the story of this thomas family. however, i offered my mother ny years ago to get food stamps. she would not take them. she didn't want nothing from the government. but there is serious problems with white americans and black america. however, white americans that are running for government high ffice today are not visiting some of the black america neighborhood. i can name several here in baltimore, maryland. you will not see a republican go there. i am not a republican, but i do like the wording of our new governor here. he sounds like he's for all

people, not people of certain dollar, and it just disturbed me to identify someone as black america or white america. we all are americans. and if donald trump should get in there, the country deserve what they get, and that is all i have to say. it is a sad situation with the news media, how they are promoting this, however cnn is one of my favorite stations. my favorite. thank god that i was able to get in today. there should just be all america. taking my country back, what is this mr. trump is saying to us, taking our america back. host: kathleen here at c-span, we thank you very much for the call. that's the last word, but thanks to all of you for your comments. many of you still sharing your thoughts on our twitter page. i want to share with you two of them. one from paul, who says chicago is a perfect example how

democratic rule has not worked for a major proportion of the black community. and michael says another making of the marshall plan more than really was, it's mostly about giving out money. send us your thoughts to cspanwj or continue to join us on facebook. presidential politics and the race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders, what's next in the upcoming primary. that's our conversation with daniel lippman. and later, the former deputy administrator for the transportation security administration, those long lines at airport security check points and the impact on summer travelers, but first, following the "washington journal," and this week our guest is the house armed services committee chairman, talking about his committee's $610 billion defense policy bill. it passed on the floor last wednesday. here's a portion of our conversation, the full program

airs at 10:00 eastern time. >> do you think a debate over whether congress should authorize the fight against isis is a debate that should happen through the defense policy process? is that something that should come up and that your colleagues should vote on? representative thornberry: i think it should come up. we should vote on it. but i think this is of such import it ought to stand on its own and not be part of the bill that we're talking about. now, we did have a debate and a aumf n repealing the 2001 on the bill that we considered this week, but i think that needs to be updated. as a matter of fact, the house to 011, 2012 passed updates that to better reflect the way the terrorists are spreading out. we ought to have that debate, as well as isis trying to update that, given the way terrorism has changed. the speaker has asked us to

have listening sessions to try to find some way that we can get 218, a majority vote, to do that. and there have been several meetings about it. the challenge lots of people ave different ideas and so far, i don't think there's one approach that's gotten a majority of view, but i think we should, and that's our job. >> chairman, with the amount of resources and money dedicated to the fight to the is lack i can state, what's our strategy, to contain or win? representative thornberry: i think it's to avoid disaster. there's a slight relaxation of the rules on when they can crop bombs. , and ot really to win there has been success on the ground, but in iraq and syria, but the rest of the story is isis is spreading out to more countries than ever before.

so it's not even very successful in containing them geographically, and i think in some ways they're growing more dangerous. >> the u.s. is not trying to defeat isis right now? representative thornberry: well, it may be somebody's stated intention, but that's not what the facts on the ground i think would show. host: tune in to "newsmakers," which follows the "washington journal," sundays at 10:00 eastern time. and this week our guest is the chair of the house armed services committee, congressman mac thornberry, republican of texas. we want to welcome daniel lippman from politico. he's also seen every morning in "playbook." we'll talk about that. but first, news on the sunday morning in reporting from your colleague saying that the democrats now turning to new york senator chuck schumer to try to bridge what is a deepening divide between

senator bernie sanders and hillary clinton. what's going on? guest: chuck schumer is next in line to be the majority leader in the u.s. senate, and he wants to play a rule in unifying the party, and he knows he can -- he has the bridge between the moderate democrats and the liberal democrats, and so he's going to just try to talk to senator sanders and discuss the way forward and how to beat donald trump. that's kind of an important story, because it shows that the democratic party is trying to find a way to beat sanders supporters in the polls, since he brought millions of voters into the process, and if hillary is going to prevail in november, she really needs all of the grass roots support that electrified the democratic state. host: and senator schumer has supported hillary clinton, so would he be viewed as a fair ar bitter in terms of the bernie sanders campaign? guest: i bet some sanders supporters would be like i

don't think so, but i think you're going to see a lot of people say that schumer hasn't been, you know, he doesn't have the reputation of debbie waserman shultz in terms of sanders land, where she -- sanders has really come out, and she's known here in town as saying she really kind of shifted the rules, so he doesn't have that reputation, but he's a credible person to make the case. host: new survey this morning from abc news and "the washington post," and it shows votes for hillary clinton and bernie sanders. this morning, they're saying this is going to be one of the most issue-less campaigns and one of the most negative that e've seen in our lifetime. guest: we haven't seen such a negative campaign. the funny thing about that story, which is in "the post"

was how a negative campaign really helped donald trump, since he knows how to play dirty, so that would not be good for hillary clinton, and it's -- both lots of americans view hill sandri trump unfavorably. so that's -- that's really not going to be a positive election. you're not really going to feel great as an american after going through months of fighting between the sides, and how much negative campaigning ads will trump throw, that's a real question, because he is not getting a lot of big donor support from the g.o.p. side, which he really needs to put ads on television, said he didn't want to run a conventional race, but now he's shifting to more of a conventional lineup with ads, fundraisers, and meetings with d.c. republicans, and so that's something he confronts. how does he raise that you will money given that he's not $3.4 g to spend his

billion, or $10 billion he claims on this race. host: the g.o.p. elite lining up behind donald trump, and you're referring to those established republicans who are beginning to support him, including bob dole. but this morning, the "new york times" is reporting that there's a huge donor aversion, which is going to cloud donald trump's big fundraising goal to raise a billion dollars. guest: a lot of g.o.p. donors told the "new york times" and politico that they're not comfortable with trump. they're willing to kind of put their own principles and their own values forward and not say we just have to have a republican in, no matter who he is. and so someone wants to support hillary, so you're going to see, you know, the big g.o.p. donors for hillary, you never ee that in the past. that's a real thing trump has

to overcome. what g.o.p. donors want you to do is shift completely and have a new campaign, almost new idea, you know, away from his very controversial rhetoric, but that would really undermine his appeal to lots of voters who don't want him to just become -- do a 180. host: which gets back to this new "washington post"/abc news poll, which is also available online at washingtonpost.com. just looking at the favor sandabble unfavorable ratings, and this is what it looks like inside the jump page of "the washington post," that 41% of voters have a favorable view of hillary clinton, 57% unfavorable. among those, 46% strongly and favorable. compared to donald trump, 40% favorable rating, 57% unfavorable rating, and 45% trongly unfavorable. guest: one interesting thing about that, they also looked at

the issues of what americans -- which candidates do americans prefer on issues. trump won on taxes. but trump has made a lot of headway with talking about immigration and trade. actually hillary clinton has an advantage on immigration, slight advantage. when i saw that, i was a little surprised, because you wouldn't think -- she doesn't really talk about this issue very much. it's really in trump's wheelhouse. so that is an interesting point, too. and how they unroot some of those, they're probably only oing to get worse. because there will be new ads and more controversies, so that will not be -- that will be an issue to see how that plays out. host: calling it unprecedented, never in the history of the poll between "the washington post" and abc news have both major party nominees been viewed so harshly. guest: because it's unique these candidates, where these are not standard-issue democrats and republicans.

hillary has been demonized by so many people in the past 20 years. she's kind of been a favorite punching bag for things she's done and just things that people perceive her as doing. that is not going to change overnight. trump has built up a reputation the last couple of years, especially during this campaign, of saying things that a lot of americans find offensive. back when he was host of "the apprentice," he was more seen as this eccentric billionaire with guilded houses, and now because he's really touched on a lot of policy issues where he's said things that people find unpalatable, that has dragged down, where people might have said a year or two ago, well, trump is not -- he's a different can of candidates, but now because of -- he's in

the media news cycle every day, saying things that are kind of people can agree with and other things that kind of rile up his base, that has but a lot of people have made this point when he says the things that he says, that are kind of wild and out there, it doesn't really bring down his rating. that's what his fans want to hear. they don't want a candidate who inflected with the politically correct thing to say. so he has said i'm not going to follow those rules. i'm going to say what's on my mind and i think what my voters support. host: our guest, daniel litman. among his assignments is playbook. it is must read. what is it? guest: it's a daily news letter which hour chief white house

correspondent put it together. and it talks about we find the best stuff on line and we also do our own original reporting. kind of a daily die jent of what to read in d.c. and what to know what's going on in politics today as it comes out every day. seven days a week. you can find it at political.com/playbook. >> mike allen a very humble person. he's also leaving politico at the end of this campaign season. how will you replace him? host: guest: we're in the process of picking -- it will be like a team playbook. so it's tough to just replace one person. so we're -- it's such a brand that we want we're going to continue with. and people we're going to continue to serve our readers with new team who will be writing it host: and mike allen has been a long-time friend of this network so we appreciate all the good work that he does. our guest daniel litman.

your phone calls. our numbers are on the bottom of your screen. good sunday morning. caller: thank you. i just want to commake a comment. if the american people get donald trump for president they can thank and i will put that in prentsdz they seize the media and bernie sanders. there's no way media has given him so much free coverage. host: we'll get a response. guest: so the -- host: one of the figures i saw $1.8 billion worth of television air time. guest: i was going to mention that. irresistable story for the media. a lot of people criticized the media for giving him so much coverage but he's hard to ignore when he was the republican front runner since he declared. and the fact that he was really dominating the conversation. and he provides just great

copy. we in the media we don't take sides, but we do cover the top stories of the day. we do cover the candidates who are doing the best politically. so we're not going to lean on the scales and say just because a lot of people don't like him then that means we're going to stop covering him. we provide critical coverage of both candidates hillary and trump. and sanders for that matter. so that's how our role in the media is not to tip the scales. i guess a lot of people in the media just trust that voters will make the right choice. we just want to give them the facts. host: in the "new york times" sunday magazine. look at the picture of donald trump. behind him is a photograph of donald trump next to john wayne and ronald reagan. aun one of the posters it's time for another real president. again, you have donald trump

and ronald reagan side by side inside a look at some of his key staffers including his longtime communications person. his campaign manager is also in the "new york times" piece. and then on the following page is donald trump's convention manager. but he has a relatively small staff. >> we had a -- if you look at frn cc filings he had only one tenth of the staff ofhillry. so he has about 70 paid staffers and hillary hat 700. so it shows that he doesn't have to follow the rules where he build up a big campaign. he was kind of a lean and mean machine. that's all he needed. and what's interesting about that the "new york times" piece is somewhat of a team of rivals. we have chronicled the conflict between them really fighting for power and cory wants to

protect his position since he was the original campaign manager and he doesn't want to lose some of that power. and when a person like paul comes in, there's only a limited amount of decision making. so both parties are kind of trying to play nice but also retain decisionmaking power. host: the piece is called this is fun. right? the statement he uses at many rallies. you can follow road to the hite house on our website. republican line good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to make a reference between mother angelica and dommed trump. i wrote this down and long time ago but i can't find the paper so i'm going to try to say it from memory. i'm 80 yeerings old i love

donald trump and i love mother angelica. i'm not catholic. and i watched her occasionally. she was a smart woman. she was -- someone would call in to her program, a mother called in and said that her daughter had brought her boyfriend to live in the house and the mother didn't like it. and she said to mother angelica i don't know what to do. how do i get them out? and mother angelica had a sense of humor also. and all of a sudden she says, well, and she pointed downward. she said well, since they're head that had way any how, she pointed down with her finger, she said tell them to go to hell. and i said, wow. that's donald trump. and i think mother angelica died four days after i watched that program. and i found the contrast interesting. what would people say? that was mother angelica. if donald trump said this they would say oh wow he's terrible.

look what he said look how he curses or whatever. so that's what i have to say this morning. i would like to know what people think of that. host: thank you. dan. guest: kind of the caller makes a point. it's interesting to see the really strong opinions on both sides. and how the trump supporters are so loyal to their candidate. they feel like he is speaking to them. they feel like the republican and democratic establishment elites in d.c. have not listened to their concerns. and as hedge fund managers in new york and the wall street class, they do really well, they think to themselves why isn't there people in d.c. who are representing us well? and so they're willing to look past some of the things they might not agree with trump because they say why can't we just try a new type of candidate who might actually

get something done for us? so there's a backlash in both his party and the democratic party and a lot of people view hillary very negatively too. they think she's corrupt. so they have some of the same feelings that mother angelica has about trump in reference to hillary. host: our guest has written for the huffington post and cnn.com. also a reporter with the "wall street journal" and now with politico. let's talk about this democratic race. a couple of key contests wrapping up in early june in california. and in new jersey. final primary for the democrats here in washington, d.c. and senator sanders this past week with this tweet with regard to the upcoming convention in philadelphia. it reads in part.

>> we can have a long conversation just about debbie wasserman schultz and how she has been throwing shade on the sanders campaign whether it was the debate schedule that were far and few between and scheduled on weekend where no one was going to be watching. when they shut off sanders access to his own data and we had to sue them in federal court. whether it was the joirnt fund raising agreements with the hillary campaign taking money away from state parties. look it's not -- i've got to say it's not the dns. by and large people have been dr good to us. debbie really is the exception. host: this has become personal. guest: they feel like debbie wasserman schultz has known hillary clinton for years. they've been allies. and the sanders campaign is not happy with how she's running the dnc. so even though jeff says the dnc is fine, they look at some of the thing that is happened

with conventions we saw in nevada and california, and they think they're trying to -- they feel like the dnc is trying to push them out of the race early and they think to their supporters with their supporters support them just following along? and so you saw sanders support publicly say last night that he is supporting debbie wasserman schultz primary opponent in florida. so that's not going to make her particularly happy. it's just -- the democratic establishment is mostly lined up against -- for hillary. and so when you're senator sanders you feel like, why are all these people against me given that i brought in millions of voters into the political process? and he's really reignited the left. he's kind of the howard dean of this cycle. he feels like he is almost -- we saw with obama in 2008, a

lot of energy for him and there's not a ton of energy on hillary's side. but there's so many loyal bernie supporters. so they feel like those people should not be kind of looked down upon by debbie wasserman schultz and diss missed as senator sanders you have your shot now get out of the race. he feels he has to stay in at least until the california primary until all the primaries are done in about a month then reevaluate where he stands. are host: of course these are voters that hillary clinton needs. hillary clinton in 2008 did not drop out of the race until after the primaries concluded in early june. you mentioned the primary challenge did represent dessie wasserman schultz is facing in florida. interview is one of five sunday programs that we air on c-span radio beginning at noon. let me get your reaction to

what debbie wasserman schultz said this past week. >> my response to that is hashtag smh. if we're going to talk about throwing that comments about throwing shade. we need to focus on one thing. get through this primary and work to prepare for the general election and make sure that we can continue to draw the contrast between either one of our really fine candidates who are focused on helping people reach the middle class and make sure that we get equal pay for equal work and create jobs and not let the republicans take health care away from 20 million americans. do everything we can to make sure donald trump never every becomes president of the united states. that's what i'm focused on. why president obama asked me to take on a full four-year term after we reelected him in 2012 and i'm focused on that. host: in this tweet from one of our viewers saying no kidding.

guest: that's funny hash tag she mentioned shaking my head kind of using the new lingo trying to appeal to young people. what i would say about her point is that there's a lot of fear in the democratic party that as long as this race between sanders and clinton goes forward it makes it harder to bring in sanders supporters at the end of the primary because of all the disagreements the bickering between both sides they feel like some sanders supporters could be at risk for voting for donald trump. because if you ask some supporters who their number choice is it's sanders. if you ask some sanders supporters it's trump. so how will -- what percentage of the voters for sanders and his supporters will come home and actually come home to the democratic party in november and vote for hillary if she is the nominee then? host: i wonder if this is more reminisce pt of what we saw in 1980 a very deeply divided

party jimmy carter and the challenge from the left by senator ted kennedy. >> that's -- i wasn't born then back in -- you see these cycles when in both the democratic and republican party you have insurgence on the rise and then the establishment staying in power. and so oftentimes these movements arise when there's economic uncertainty and frustrations and there's a lot of inequality in the country. and there's -- this is a natural response on both sides to in the trend in america made the point to me that it's almost like how uber disruptive transportation and air b and b disrupted hotels. this is kind of the uber moment in politics where the combination of those candidates sanders and trump the frustration in the country it is only natural that this would

happen where it's like this is disrupting politics as usual. host: let's go to al joining us from new york. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i would like to have -- be able to touch on the three candidates. first of all i would like to say if anybody believes that they can trust any candidate any politician they are like a fool the and his money. that is what the press is there to do, to always keep an eye on the politicians and protect america and the american people. now, i am an independent. i do plan on voting for hillary clinton. because i believe in all honesty she is moderate enough and she has the experience and she is the best of the worst.

bernie sanders he is a socialist. he is not a democrat. and he reminds me of that old fairy tale about the pied piper. he's promising a lot. he played a sweet song and he takes the children out of town and they disappear. there's really no future with bernie sanders as far as that goes. 75. and it's a killer job. he will be a one-termer. the is whole mantra is political revolution. whatever the hell that crap is. donald trump i grew up in westchester. i know about donald trump. the guy is a sheister. he knows how to play the press. he's very narsistic. he knows what plays we will. bomb bast and loud. blue collar rantings. host: so who will you vote for? caller: i will vote for hillary clinton. i believe that she is probably the best of the worst. i believe that if we remember

well, that under the clinton administration we all by the year 1999, we were all doing very well. and i believe -- i read the book called the agenda very dry reading but a good reading and she was basically the ram rod that more or less made bill what he was, a successful president. host: thanks for the call. and with regard to that, liar in chief, in her ees say this morning says that hillary clinton is not a perfect politician that she has lied on a number of issues but that she does in her words play within the goal posts something that donald trump has never done. guest: actually my colleague, we actually watched four-and-a-half hours of trump doing his campaign speeches and rallies a couple months ago in march and we fact checked everything he said over

four-and-a-half hours and we found could find more than 60 different lies untruths thing that is were just wrong. and that was one every five minutes. and so they didn't really respond to when we wrote that story. but it just indicates that he doesn't play -- he just says what's in his head and sometimes he doesn't -- he is not holding himself to the standards of fact checking as we in the media are trying to do. so even though hillary has come under criticism for saying thing that is are often not true, trump really trumps her on that, where it doesn't seem to matter what the facts are. he said he has the greatest winery in virginia. and -- the greatest winery worldwide is trump winery in charlottesville and we looked at the wine spectator magazine

and we called up the winery and it was actually not the biggest one and it was not well rated by wine spectator magazine. so it's small things like that that lead a lot of americans to think is he going to just say the truth if he is elected in november? because you want honesty from your president. and that's kind of one reason that bill clinton became a little unpopular because people felt they couldn't trust him. nd with regard to the caller's pointed about how the fact that bill clinton is on the team clinton if she is elected in november, the democrats are going to push the point that bill clinton is a guy that helped create 22 million jobs in the 1990s for all president bush and president obama didn't in their last 16 years in office they can't make that claim. and so bill clinton didn't have everything to do with that. used the term helped create.

you can't create jobs willy nilly but they feel like a lot of americans feel like he has the magic touch. and will help their economic situation. so the democrats are going to push as hard saying once the clintons are back in office they can revive some of that magic that they felt happened during the 1980s. host: yes no or maybe. how likely is it that bernie sanders would run as an independent? guest: not very likely at all. he has said he will work every day to defeat donald trump and know an independent run would probably lead to trump being elected because it would draw so many supporters to vote for sanders as an independent and wouldn't give enough votes for hillary and especially in the electoral college it would hurt her, too. so you're not going to see him make that drastic step. host: a reminder from another viewer.

john anderson is 94 years old and still living here in washington, d.c. good morning. caller: i'm actually just relocated to california. i just wanted to pivot the conversation away from donald trump and note that from an electoral perspective we've got 270 electoral votes coming with the general election. and from a democratic perspective versus a republican perspective there's far more democrats that are elected -- excuse me. far more democrats registered to vote as opposed to republicans. so this idea that donald trump is somehow going to garner both he democratic and republican nomination from both 270 and a ground game is like ridiculous. so if you can just comment to that and this idea that donald

trump actually has a chance in heck to win the presidential election. because in my mind he absolutely doesn't. hillry rodham clinton is who i am supporting and i see her as gaining the election. host: thank you. and again this morning showing essentially a dead heat. donald trump up slightly by two percentage points but within the margin of error between trump and clint. guest: i would speak to the caller's and the point about how he doesn't see a path for donald trump but a lot of try to s if they just waltz noove into november that is not going to be a winning strategy because trump has brought in some new voters into the process. even though he hasn't brought in the maybe millions that he has claimed, just because he -- there are more registered democrats that doesn't mean that all of them show up to vote in november. of the 310 million or so

americans not all of them vote in november and so only -- he only has to do well in a couple states. and he can open up the map a little bit in terms of rust belt states and states like ohio and wisconsin. and that could provide a path to victory. so he does have a lot of uphill battles he's going to face in the general election. but hillary has not proved herself to be a particularly skilled campaigner. and so -- and trump for whatever we'll say about him he's very good at campaigning and doing rallies and connecting with his voters. he has so much passion that he is trying to bring forward. hillary is more talking about the policies and thing that is she will do if she is elected. sometimes americans don't really care about that. host: we have covered more than 100 campaign rallies with

donald trump in the last year of this campaign all available on our website. miami florida. republican line. caller: good morning. it is obvious mr. litman is for hillary. host: why do you say that? caller: all the things he has said. ow, it is true that their view not as untrust worthy. but let's face it. mr. trump is the things he says that sometimes people find offensive even though in many things he's telling the truth. he's telling it like it is. while hillary has a lot of -- a lot of baggage. now, they talk about bringing back the 90s with clinton. ut you don't mention that 1994 he lost the senate and the

house to republicans. and in order to get elected in 1996, he had no choice but to go along with what they wanted. back in 1998 i am a retired federal worker. when the whole thing of monica lewinski came out, i remember the girls in my office saying oh poor hillary she's going to have to divorce bill. and i said are you people kidding? she's not going to divorce him. that woman wants power. she -- host: we'll get a response. thank you very much for the call. guest: the response i would make is that the caller does have a point in that because of president clinton's failed attempts to get health care passed in the early 90s his first couple years in office he did really help lose congress o republicans in 1994 with the

newt gingrich's contract with america. i would also make the point that a lot of republicans are fearful and a lot of democrats are gleeful that trump could have negative consequences down ballot. and so we've covered this in the past about how a lot of senate candidates and house candidates, there's a worry that because trump's brand is toxic to some moderate voters, are senators like ayotte vulnerable in november because a lot of democrats will turn out just to vote against trump. so they may not really like hillary but they're thinking that they want to vote against trump. host: let me get your reaction. this is a new ad released this past week from priorities u.s.a. which is the super pac supporting hillary clinton. >> you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her

wherever. does she have a good body no does she have a fat as absolutely? if eye van ca weren't my daughter perhaps i would be dating her. >> i view a pesh flat chested very hard to be a ten. you can tell them to go -- themselves. >> does dunled trump really speak for you? priorities u.s.a. action is responsible for the contento this advertising. host: in the worlds of donald trump does it matter? because we've heard that from him. have we become numb to some of his comments? guest: it feels like things that would have failed led to the downfall of almost any candidate has not applied to trump. so those rules throw them out the window. host: and there's still this looming issue of whether or not hillary clinton will be indicted by the justice department. guest: we had a story about in politico saying that the chances of that are actually not very high. and so some of her aides may be

more vulnerable that pose a headache for her going into the general election if that happens between now and then. but in terms of that ad, you're going to see tens of millions of dollars using trump's own words in negative ads on the air. but look at all the ads that were run in the g.o.p. primary by jeb bush and right to rise, ted cruz. did they take down donald trump? no. so -- and a lot of americans kind of know what those words and their ads meant but they also feel like that -- if the campaign is defined by what trump is saying, every day, and if he is the headlines, that's bad news for hillary because she has to put herself in the game. and everyone has to be talking about her for at least some days. or that she is -- she's being defined by donald trump right

this summer and so she needs to really come out. what would she do? and so what would she do if she's president. so that ad shows that they're not talking about that right now. i'm sure you'll see positive messages about her plans and her efforts to kind of help america. but if you're stuck in an alley doing a fight hand to hand combat against trump that's not good news because then you'll get blood on you -- you'll get mud on yourself. host: our guest is dan litman. connecticut, democrat's line. good morning. caller: good morning gentlemen. i was wondering if mr. litman had read i'm not sure if it's an article or essay written by dam stop nick. the dangerous acceptance of donald trump. if so what was his opinion of it. and also to talk to the people who are voting for bernie and

say they won't vote for hillary if he doesn't get the nomination. i recommend that they read this very carefully. have a great day, gentlemen. host: thank you. guest: well, i haven't read that specific piece. it's on my reading list so thank you for the reminder. but a lot of -- the point i would make is that both -- any time there's the primary election is over and then the general election starts, you can look at every two years every four years and people are always worried about will republicans who supported other candidates than the actual winner, will they come home to vote for trump in this case? and for bernie supporters will they come home to vote for hillary? and usually it's kind of like those nine stages of grief. first you're in denial. and then you're accepting. and then a lot of people will just come home to vote for hillary in november. and trumple for that matter. so he -- trump as you pointed

out, the republican lead which has long said never trump. no trump. but they're not -- that's not the conventional wisdom in this town any more. they're really coming down to support a lot of those people in kind of the d.c. class. not all the big donors because if you're a big republican fund raiser, who has spent millions in the past to support candidates you're not under any obligation to spend money to trump this time to support him so they can kind of sit on the sidelines which would hurt trump. but then he could say i'm not backed by the billionaires. so americans don't worry about that. i'm going to do my own fund raising and i'm going to have my supporters contribute. and i will fund my own campaign. i'm not going to be beholden to the wall street interests who are actually a lot of them are backing hillary because they find her she's from new york

now. she wasn't born there but that's her home state. and so when she was the senator from the great state of new york, a lot of the money she was raising was from wall street. that's where the money is in new york. so goldman sachs, $250,000 speeches that she gave, that will be definitely an issue where trump will bring up why isn't she releasing the transcripts of what she said? what does she have to hide and dakotas will come back and say why aren't you releasing your tax returns? that's you can't make that charge saying hillary's not releasing transcripts when you're not releasing tax returns which may show that you actually pay a lot of taxes? and also how much are you actually worth. so you will see candidates when they're not listing something people are wondering why not? if you're so transparent if you want to be elected to the

highest office in the land why aren't you releasing speech transcripts and tax returns? host: is the piece about inside those speeches, check it out. last story from the "washington post." how is this impacting the democratic race? guest: it helps hillary. because once the democratic primary between her and bernie finish assuming that she is the nominee you will see president obama on the stump almost day in and day out for september and october rallying behind hillary and trying to get as many votes for her. and besides the obvious point that they're both democrats he also wants to protect his legacy. so all the things that he has done in office, we had a great

piece in politico magazine which is the ration that obama built. so very slowly and steadily. behind the scenes he made all these rules changes and he really shifted how the government works even from making lightbulbs more efficient. and so to obamacare. so he doesn't want to see that legacy overturned or rolled back if a person like donald trump gets in office. so he needs to protect what he did if he wants to have a successful post presidency. you don't want to the be -- if you built a big house, you don't want the next owner to really dismantle it. so that is not on his -- that is not on his wish list. so you're going to see him and obably bernie sanders out on canvasing raising money to help hillary in november. host: how can people sign up for playbook? guest: go to

politico.com/playbook and in the top corner there's a big blue but wrn you put in your email and follow steps. and we come out around 7:00 every morning. and it's a great thing to check out. there's a lot of -- kind of what the d.c. insider class and people in washington people just interested in what's going on in politics. that's what they real in the morning. host: dan litman first appearance. will you come back? guest: of course. any time. this was fun. host: check out playbook. and our thanks to mike allen at politico. coming up if you've been traveling you know what the lines are like at t.s.a. security checkpoints. tom blank will be joining us about why the lines are just so long and what can be done. also, dan thrutesdz chief national correspondent as the president prepares to negotiate in vietnam and later in tokyo, japan. what's on the agenda between the president and leaders.

this weekend on book tv and american history tv we focus on history and the literary life of hattiesburg, mississippi. we'll take a look at the life of a slain civil rights leader. we talked with his son and wife about what happened in january 1966 when the kkk came to their home and killed their husband and father. ere's a portion. >> for what reason? did anybody want to come and kill my dad? they came in as a result of the orders from the head of the clan and said go anile late him. and they came to kill the whole family. >> my husband was a civil rights activist here in hattiesburg who worked to try to get african americans

registered to vote. first of all, he belonged to shady grove church. at that time he was the superintendent of the sunday school and he also sang in the choir. e owned a small grocery store. and he grew commercial cotton. we planted as much as seven acres of cotton. that's a lot. >> my dad was one of the founders of the branch of naacp. but it was nine men who established naacp. and at that time they were definitely an underground organization. he felt having the opportunity to vote -- because couldn't vote -- was the pathway to hopefully first class citizenship. host: the story about his life. we hope you tune in to book t and american history trn v.

you can check out all of our programming on line any time at c-span.org/cities tour. we want to welcome tom blank former deputy administrator for t.s.a. the transportation security administration which we deal with those who travel on a regular basis at the security check poiths at most airports around the country. guest: nice to be with you. host: why are the lines so long? guest: there is a mismatch between the resources the personnel resource that is t.s.a. has deployed to 450 commercial airports and the passenger loads. so the capability to process hundreds of people an hour it isn't there right now. and the reason that's happened is that the t.s.a. management has made an inaccurate decision about what its precheck program

allowing people to have background checks join a precheck program so they can keep their lap tops in, don't have to take their shoes off. they believed that was going to create such efficiencies that they could do with less people. that hasn't happened. and i don't think anybody really knows why the efficiencies haven't materialized. we do know that there is about a 7 or more percent increase in airline traffic so that there are more people out there flying and now we're going into the peak summer season. so you have kind of a mismatch between resources and what's required to keep the lines more manageable. host: how much are airlines responsible though? because they now charge for every piece of baggage that goes through the terminal and many people are saying they don't want to do that. guest: well, that's certainly a factor. and t.s.a. will acknowledge that. that since the baggage fees went in several years ago, that

there is a marked increase in the amount of luggage that is carried through the checkpoint. that certainly is a factor. and it doesn't -- it certainly doesn't help the situation when there is much more activity at the checkpoint. what i say to passengers is that if you want to help yourself, try to travel a little bit lighter. and i think that you might see t.s.a. if this situation continues for some significant amount of time begin to try to find some limits to the carey on baggage that can fw brought aboard. that certainly would help. host: a customer could basically expect if you're waiting an hour maybe two hours that would be understandable. but as we've seen the lines at o'hare airport in chicago and dulles airport here in washington, d.c. the lines are

three, three-and-a-half hours. guest: it's a serious problem. i think t.s.a. administrator on friday in chicago acknowledged it's not going to get better any time soon. and this issue of matching personnel resources at checkpoints with the demand has vexed t.s.a. since its beginning. at the beginning during the time i was one of the t.s.a. leaders, we actually let the workforce go up to 60,000 people. that earned t.s.a. the nickname thousand standing around. because that was more resources than was necessary. that upset the congress. and congress wanted to ratchet back the amount of money that t.s.a. was spending on personnel resources. for many years it was set at 45,000. then in the past couple of years with the advent of

precheck, t.s.a. agreed to let congress push the available resources down to approximately 42,000. in hindsight, that appears that it was not a very good decision. host: this is part of the testimony that took place this past week. very angry and upset at the situation at airports around the country. >> i had prepared actually yesterday staff had got me like one figure during the break, we had 6800 american airlines passengers missed their flights due to checkpoint delays. and that's sort of -- we hear that, members of congress and others. last night i had the night from hell. i had three people who i invited to washington who came to washington spent most of the day with me. all of them missed their flight standing in a t.s.a. line. i'll tell you what. i am so livid and wednesday

night particularly bad night. traffic was bad. they were late getting there. the t.s.a. people wouldn't have the courtesy to accommodate people who could have caught their flight even though they were somewhat late. the plane was there. i was on the phone for hours. one of the individuals whose family is leaving on vacation today had to get back to orlando to accompany his family. i actually had a staffer drive him to -- a bought him a ticket home last night. so i could put a face on it. you can't get ahold of a damned person in t.s.a. even as a member of congress nor would they take your call. i'll tell you what, it's just unbelievable. the operation. and you've got your hundred thousand dollar people standing around accommodating members of congress to get them on a pleap and you can't get a passenger on a plane who has to get home

to leave with his family. i want a list of all of those eople standing around that chauffeur members of congress and v.i.p.s up to the front of the line. and you can't get one -- you can't get three people one lady with some physical disabilities, i just, i'll tell you what. i am so disgustd with this mess. host: comments of congressman john mica as he talks to members of his committee and the headline from the u.s.a. today. 450 people missing a flight completely as they waited in line through the t.s.a. security checkpoint. the flight left because they were not cleared in guest: it's clearly an unacceptable situation. and i think that congressman mica was really an original author of the law that created t.s.a. he's stayed engaged. and by displaying the

frustration and criticism, the fact of the matter is he's really been helpful in getting some management kinds of improvements to be installed at the agency. i think another thing we have to keep in mind here is that last summer t.s.a. came under very harsh criticism after what re called red teams tested how porous those checkpoints were in terms of getting through prohibited items and other contra band. that led to a substantial effort by the new administrator admiral nevada enger to change the culture from one of convenience to one of security. that inherently means an intent to slow the lines down. for example, there was a time you may recall when people would randomly be taken from the regular t.s.a. line so to speak and put in the preczech

line. that's called managed inclusion. that practice has stopped in the name of security. and the other another aspect of it is all of that workforce has been subject to retraining, which means they have been taken off the line for temporary times and gone to the t.s.a. academy in georgia to be retrained. that's an effort to change the culture and improve security which was found wanting a year ago. so between a culture change, ew leadership, increased airline flights, and fewer resources, it is a situation that is going to take at least some months if not longer to improve. host: well get to your calls in just a moment. the numbers are on the bottom of your screen.

guest: it certainly is. it's a serious problem. that has directly related to those baggage fees. the lines have slowed down as a direct result of that. now, the problem with hiring more people right away is one that is indemic to washington. t.s.a. cannot spend money that the congress does not appropriate. and so when we do a -- our spending bill last december, t.s.a. bank deposits so to speak is finite. and that's finite bank deposits

allows them to have 42,000 full-time equivalent employees. and that's not enough. now, either congress in order to change that what they've done is to some reprogramming. they've taken some funds from other t.s.a. programs and allowed them to buy president obamaly or hire rather approximately 700 more employees. that's not going to fix the problem. so the next time the congress makes its deposit in terms of an appropriation that would allow t.s.a. to hire more employees that's going to come on october 1 of this year. if they increase the amount of money for t.s.a., officers, that's going to take some time to recruit them train them and deploy them after october. >> this is the headline from nbc news. your point about hiring additional security personnel this is the current t.s.a. administrator testifying before

that house oversight can he. >> congress has approved a reprogramming request which will allow me to hire another 768 screening officers this summer. we'll get them out in the workforce we hope by the middle of june. that will significantly help us. we've also been working with the airlines and the airports and they are taking on some of the nonsecurity related duties which helps free up more of my officers to go on directly on to the screening checkpoints. accommodation of those two and the use of our passenger screening k-9's should significantly alleviate some of the challenges that we're going to be facing over the summer. host: the t.s.a. administrator. and let's get to your phone calls. good morning. caller: good morning. it's been a while. a couple of things. i will be quick. number one, how much of the taxpayers paying for t.s.a.

every year? number two, why don't the airlines pay for this? it's their business. it's their security. and i don't know. number three, the incident that happened in 2001 9/11 was a direct result of the airlines not wanting to take precautions to prevent such a thing from happening. i'll get off the line and you all have a good day. host: thanks. first of all t.s.a.'s budget. guest: it's approximately $8 billion and that's $6 billion appropriated and then there's fees because taxes go on the tickets and other security fees that people pay. so it's approximately $8 billion a year. that i must say that's considerably more than we thought it would be when the agency was created. in terms of the airlines, i think it's fine to review whether or not we want t.s.a.

to continue as a federal agency and aviation security to continue as a federal function. we need to understand though that the principle policy that was adopted by the congress and in post 9/11 when they created t.s.a. was to take that responsibility away from the airlines and give the responsibility directly to the federal government. if we go back and make airlines airports private sector responsible for it i'm not saying don't examine it but understand that that is rejecting the principle policy that was adopted in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. host: houston, texas. tom blank former deputy administrator with t.s.a. good morning. caller: good morning. just want to comment. t.s.a. is doing a better than

good job. you have been protecting us since the inception. i think what the american people should be thinking, blame the republicans for not funding t.s.a. very well. you said $8 billion is the budget. why not double it to $16 billion? guest: well, i think that would be a subject of debate between the administration, t.s.a., and the congress. in other words, the first thing that t.s.a. has to do in this -- and we're in an appropriations and budgeting cycle right now, they have to ask for more money. and then they have to persuade the appropriations committees and ultimately both houses of congress to provide that additional money. i think there's enough blame for the current situation to go around because note that t.s.a. did go along with and acwes to

the cuts in its personnel resources from 45,000 full-time equivalent down to 4r because they made a misjudgment about what precheck was going to offer in terms of efficiencies. so i think you're raising the right question. how much more money does t.s.a. need in order to get the job right? are there efficiencies out there? is there mismanagement? should some of the management personnel in its headquarters operations of 2,000 people, should the resources that support that go to putting more and more officers on the line? are airport managements that work for t.s.a. are they bloated? and should those funds be repurposed for additional screening resources? so these are the elements and wheels of policy that need to crank through to get this problem fixed. from hese headlines

politico looking at chicago and senator dick durbin targeting for help with those long security delays. look at that crowd. that's amazing. guest: it's a very difficult situation. and again i think that there are -- it's a multifaceted challenge. for instance, what we go through at the checkpoints let's understand that a great deal of that is in the law. in other words, every person must be screened. that's a legal requirement. t.s.a. doesn't have flexibility on that. and what that means is that it leads to some of these unfortunate situations where the elderly woman the disabled person can have a bad experience at the check point. nonetheless, the law requires those people to go through screening. how we check a baggage and

screen it. the technology that is used for that is statutorily mandated. there's no choice for flexibility in how all of that is done. so i think that there needs to be perhaps some review of the statute and the process and procedures that t.s.a. is manned dated to do before -- because it's not just management can't arbitrarily change some of these things these requirements that are in the statute. host: our topic is transportation security. and long checkpoints at airports around the country. ur guest is tom blank. sam. good sunday morning. thank you for being with us. caller: thank you. i enjoy your program. the whole deal with government programs not working not just the t.s.a. but all of them is you can't be fired as a

government employee. i've ran a private company since 1985. if somebody doesn't do their job working for me, i fire them. guest: that's a very good point. and as a former federal manager, i think you make ab excellent point, which is that if you are going to be held accountable for outcomes, you should at least have the capability to hire the individuals that you want to make responsible for achieving the outcome and you should also have the authority to fire individuals that do not perform. that is clearly something that is challenging to say the least in the federal workforce. let's note that when t.s.a. was created, the congress did give it special hiring authority where you could hire and fire on a much more expedited basis and that has been eroded over

time. the other thing that i think has worked well that gives some conversation to is the fact that that entire t.s.a. workforce is now unionized. so with the federally unionized workforce, it's possible that more kinds of complaints and issues are consuming some of the t.s.a. management that otherwise might be given over to other security related functions. host: democrats line. caller: good morning.

this seems to me to the typical way that republicans do things. first of all, they defund an entity by not approving the moneys to hire more employees. then they get on tv like mica with the personal stories and point look look look. they can't do their job. they're not efficient. look at the lines and stuff. then the next thing you know, one of my buddies back at home created a security firm that can do it better. you know. and then once again putting public money into private hands and buddies back home or people that donate to the campaign create a security firm and they're getting rich. off of public dollars. but it's as far as outmica is full of it. i'm just so tired of the money grab. it's all about hooking up their

buddies with a contract now to ry to do what t.s.a. does now. but anybody puts in place they're still people running it. if you don't have the host: is that what this is about? guest: partly, but there is also something else to give some consideration to come and it was the one social media contact that talked about if you had more people, it is not going to help if you have no more scanners. that is a fair point. which is to say that when tsa was created and set up all those checkpoints, they basically took up a lot of space in airports and they do not get paid rent for what tsa occupies inside the isport, and what that means it is not feasible in every the space tsaand

occupies. availablehave more personnel resources, you would not necessarily have the capability to expand the number of checkpoint lanes that are out there at the airport to accommodate what it is you might be able to do, so that links you to improve the efficiency and performance of the technology there. imagesans better x-ray so that threat object can be found. it means the capability to resolve the lots more quickly than perhaps what it is now. the physical limitation is also a challenge, improving the performance of the scanners and having a little realistic look thehether more resources is answer or more allocation of existing resources is the

answer. these are things that have become urgent for the agency to undertake. host: from the cbs affiliate in baltimore -- tsa to blame for the long security lines at airports -- we will say that as we listen to joan from tennessee, independent line. caller: good morning. thank you. one of the things many of us have observed is an effective and inefficient use of personnel. what i see when i go to the airport is three people are for people telling us what we have to do to get through the lines. you will have to take off your shoes, make sure while it is out of your pocket, all of this. my question is wise and this on the loop on a video? why are we using valuable people resources when we could use quick and easy technology? reassign those people so they can help others get through the lines quicker, but use

technology to tell people what we need to do to get through the lines. most of us travel enough that we know this already. host: thank you. guest: joan, that is a great comments. monitors that do have some communication about the checkpointsmany tsa , but what you are seeing is trying to supplement the that logo through tsa processing, but it is very important that we not use tsa non-security these functions. you described and on, and i believe you will see airports and airlines beginning to step thatd pay before nonsecurity function, which is helping manage the line, helping guide people to a linked open,

the future people are properly supplied, that sort of thing. fact, i think american airlines has made millions of dollars available to pay for these kinds of activities in cannot have to devote their own personal resources to that. these are the kind of things that will help. viewer saying, flying cheap, we need more high-speed rail like europe. maria is saying, why should taxpayers for the cost of airline security question mark and airline welfare, make passengers bear the full cost of their trouble. on the republican line, good morning. caller: good morning. for carry-onestion luggage.

sensors for checking in your luggage. one possibility, attacks deduction for money paid to check your baggage, and/or, number two, an arrangement with the credit card company where there is some kind of compliance for doing the same. i know the airlines will not resend their fees, so let's give an incentive. host: why not make it free or part of the cost of travel, you did not paper baggage and it was considered part of the ticket. caller: yes, but the airlines said the already are not going to do that. host: good point. ,uest: the private sector presence in the aviation sector, are the airlines and the air force. there is one major u.s. airline e fordoes not charg

checked bags. if it begins to the passenger demand, the best place to look for it in the short term would airlines to reduce those baggage fees as a competitive measure. sayare quite right to credit card companies, who always offer incentives, perhaps, they could collaborate and come up with innovative approaches that help solve problems with the airline partners. as to the tweet that came in, the concept or transportation policy, the large part is based on user b's, gasoline tax and that is why passengers that fly already paid 2 billion after the tsa budget and those are primarily taxes that go on top

of the cost of an airline ticket. works around policy debate to have, whether or not the 2 billion number that is paid by the traveling public should be increased. that would be a very good public policy debate for tsa and the congress to have. host: another tweet saying, southwest does not charge for the bags. the only way i would fly, best airline in service. there is this -- i always check my bag. i hate the ritual of cramming stuff into the overhead bins. civility, people. headline in "the new york times," "airport security, what is behind a backup?" in connecticut, good morning. caller: thank you for c-span. i got back from orlando yesterday and i had no problems. through a pre-check line, where we just had to put our carry-ons --

host: that is the key. you had pre-check in and must passengers do not. caller: that is true, but i think the key is you have 50 pounds of clothes and i think people take way too much clothing and i agree with that lady that there is just too much carry-on luggage that has to be checked and i think we need to reduce the clothing in the 50 pounds where you are allowed. i think it would go smoother. host: what about expanding the pre-check program? guest: it should be expanded. tot is a contributing factor the situation that we have now. the tsa made an inaccurate judgment about what was going to happen as pre-check expanded,

and the thought that because pre-check line goes faster, we would have a situation where they could do it less about screening resources, less personnel resources, and that is an assumption that has now turned out to be wrong. continue to expand pre-check. i would encourage as many people out there to go through the pre-check process. it will help. let me address one aspect of what the caller said, and at the end of the day, aviation security is a shared responsibility, and the airport, airlines, tsa, and the traveling public all have a responsibility to do their part. the gentleman suggested that people have too much carry-on.

the public to reduce the carry-ons voluntarily, travel lighter or to check the baggage. all would help. these are the kinds of things that the general public might do is thethe situation that responsibility of the airlines, airports and the public. itt: in the fox newspaper, takes aim at those baggage fees, saying they are adding to the long airport lines. you can read the article on "the post and courier" website. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? host: fine, how are you? caller: fabulous. i have to say that the tsa lines are getting so long -- it is card. i am a business traveler, and i travel all the time. it gets longer and longer and

longer. they act like i am some sort of bad guy, and it is not right and i do not like it. just -- so don't understand why they have to check everything. the pre-check -- $85? really? this government has so much money and we don't have anything . i mean, honestly. when you go to security, and you have to raise your hands, do you find that the meaning? caller: yes, i do. and they're looking at my stuff. it is naked. i am naked. they do a scan and the go, you are lying. it is ridiculous. thet: well, unfortunately, caller is right.

experience is his also the law. in other words, tsa does not have the authority to say, listen, somebody that travels four days a week, 45 weeks out of the year that we see other checkpoints across the country 200 times a year, we know that person is no risk, therefore, we are going to allow that person to bypass security. tsa does not have the authority to do that. the aviation transportation security act that was passed september 2001, following 9/11, makes it the law that every person every time will be screened and processed at the tsa checkpoint, so there is no wiggle room right now, unless congress is to undo that mandate. whetherhe debate is to

a pre-check should be charged for. again, a long history in the transportation policy realm. taxes for tsat security and the expedited screening, the policy currently is that you have to pay for it. , tsa and the airlines could potentially change that if there was enough demand. host: michael has this tweet with regard to pre-check same, someone has to take responsibility for the pre-check. there are no free lunches. live on the carried bbc parliament channel. good afternoon in great britain. we welcome barry. what part of the country is that in? caller: it is about 45 minutes from stonehenge. host: thank you for watching us. caller: thank you for having me.

is innt and comment relation to american airports. if you could blame the tsa for all of the problems and delays, with respect, we have had tight security for decades throughout europe. it is something we have become accustomed to. we had just developed something called patients. when it comes to the actual if major improvements need to happen, a portion of the profits are needed to do major improvements, so that if you need a new terminal, you build a new terminal and you do not keep throughasing population narrower and narrower security lines to try and fit more security because you have got so many people. i think if the airports -- i

think the airports need to be criticized about why they not building more to accommodate the increase in passengers? again, we have had security for decades in europe. tohink americans just need learn that if they want to fly safe, that privacy does not come had it and you occasionally an embarrassing pat down at the airport. it is the way things are. host: your last point? caller: thank you for having me. host: two ui for adding your voice. we appreciate it. policiesll, people -- regarding security in europe are different in the u.s. the caller pointed that out. much of the security is paid for directly by the airlines. they have a voice in selecting the technology that does the

screening, they collaborate more closely with the airport. airports in europe also pay for some of the security and the airlines do it more as a customer service that is required, but more of the customer service than perhaps what we have in the united states where we have made this this central decision to federalize and make it a direct government responsibility to conduct aviation security, so there is a difference in how ared are created -- funds generated and created and who is in charge of security. having said that, generally speaking, european unions are little bit more sensitive to privacy perhaps then we are in the u.s., but the caller made the correct point. we have to get over the privacy have,ns that we might

whether we are in western europe or whether we are here in the u.s. background data does need to be checked. it will help speed the lines along. we do have to understand and go .long with the process sometimes we are put through a secondary screening. in order to make sure that we do not have explosives being carried on board the aircraft, but the model in europe and the u.s. is somewhat different and it may be appropriate now to have a look at whether or not we want to shift responsibility and oney flowsthe m of it. host: we are speaking to the foreign deputy minister to for the tsa, tom blank. jim, good morning. caller: good morning.

or needs to talk to the nfl major league baseball because there have a problem getting people -- granted, it may not have that many people going to the baseball game compared to the airport, but there has never at the stadium where someone has done something crazy. also, the terrorists has the greater opportunity of doing something crazy at a steady and then the airport. i think the tsa is making it difficult for the average traveler and it will lose money for the airlines. talk to the nfl, major league baseball to see what they do because they do a fantastic job and there are no complaints about waiting in line or someone acting crazy. host: thank you. are there lessons? there are lessons. very perceptive point.

the reason is the nfl strongly discourages bringing what we might call carry-ons into the nfl stadium. and you go off to the nfl stadium, he will not allow you to go in there with a cooler. they will limit backpacks. they really want you to come and what a cell phone and for the women with a purse, and when you limit the carry-ons, so to speak, just a purse, wallet and cell phone, you have helped yourself in terms of security and in terms of efficiency. if we were able, as we have been talking about, to limit the carry-ons that were presented at the checkpoints take in and day out, it would only help. that is the lesson that some of the sports venues have learned. host: final point from a viewer saying we need more security in airports prevent air disasters, such as the one happening on that plane flying from cairo to

paris. guest: yes, that remains to be seen precisely what the cause of that was. i think in the early going, there are some concerns being raised about the insider threat and that is something that we have seen in the u.s., and it is a different discussion in the long lines. remember, we do have tens of thousands of people that work at airports every single day from concessionaires, fuel leaders, people that clean aircraft, baggage handlers, mechanics, and so forth. they are showing up at the airport to perform their duty, carrying toolboxes, lunch pails, backpacks, and there is some growing concern that those are not being examined carefully enough and that it could be a vector that contributed to the egyptair flight that left paris and wrapped to cairo.

host: thank you for being with us. former tsa administrator in 2005 as we talk about the incredibly long lines. the lesson is, get there very early. guest: good thought. host: two ui for being with us. guest: thank you. host: we will talk to dan de of "foreign policy" magazine. he will take your calls and type about the president's trip to vietnam. only the third u.s. president to step foot on that country. you are watching and listening to "washington journal" on this sunday morning. back in a moment. ♪

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there is a possibility the u.s. will even start selling weapons, so it is pretty extraordinary. host: that is the headline -- u.s. likely to lift that ban -- the president also over there. i know some of the ministrations talked before and supported it, including the defense secretary, but others have concerns. guest: it is kind of a case study, what should the president do? should the united states opt for and anic relationship improvement in the strategic position because acp anomalies important in this rivalry in the south china sea with a contrary to china's aggressive moves, but there is another voice in the administration and outside that says, no, there is a terrible human rights record in vietnam, and by lifting the ban on arms sales, you are rewarding the

regime without having made sufficient progress on human rights. president began his foreign-policy agenda in 2009 with the so-called asia-pacific. it is interesting that at the end of the administration, he makes his first trip to vietnam, although the clinton and george w. bush preceded him. guest: in fairness, the president has traveled a lot to asia-pacific regions, india, elsewhere and southeast asia. you are right. this is the first visit by president obama to vietnam, and that whether wondered human rights was one of the reasons he did not go earlier, second they have tried to use the leverage of the visit to push the regime to lift its repressive tactics treatment you saw in the last few days was a prominent political prisoner released days before the president landed, and this is a catholic priest who

has been imprisoned for years and they just released in three years before his term ends, so that is significant and could show the kind of leverage they try to exert before the visit. host: we welcome your calls and comments in a minute, but walk us through the government. who are the leaders? party.it is a communist there is not a democratic system. it rules vietnam and has since the war, since north vietnam concord south vietnam, and they have a monopoly on power and there are criminal laws, which basically make it impossible to criticize the government legally , and they can put someone imprisoned for any kind of criticism they make publicly about the government, even if they write a letter criticizing local officials about local issues. that person or blogger will be thrown in jail, so they have an undemocratic system, but they

are also very anxious about china, and they have seen the u.s. as an important friend at the moment because they are very upset about how china has been asserting its territorial claims all over the south china sea. host: the scars in vietnam can be seen in those who served in this country in vietnam but also over there. the war was on the front doorsteps. but is it like today? -- what is it like today? guest: a very young population and many of the people do not remember the war can do not hold animosity to the united states, so it is interesting when you talk about enemies and adversaries in vietnam that the vietnamese people, china isuch more of an adversary in their minds of the united states. they have been relatively [indiscernible] about the war, all the bombing by the united states, and they have really shown a willingness to move on. t then as resentment

chemical he dropped during the war, but the u.s. has made efforts to try and address that, and they have been funding programs that try to address all the fallout from that chemical that caused so much damage. host: (202)-748-8000 for democrats. (202)-748-8001 for republicans. you can send us a tweet at c-span wj. join us on facebook. a piece this morning in the "new get times" and i went to your reaction to the headline -- the president had to vietnam -- the president heads to vietnam, current needs much beside old antagonism. misunderstanding, violence and wearing a snow had the chance to create a partnership that seemed unlikely, even three years ago. explain. if you think about it,

the first president to travel to the war since the war was bill clinton. host: what an irony that he protested against the war. guest: that was an extraordinary trip and amazing moments, but it was the first step in a long journey and the feeling at the it vietnam would really be willing to open the door to closed relationships with the united states, but their economy is now booming and they do welcome foreign investments. that kind of marxist economic document has faded and they are open to foreign investment. to u.s. now has military military exchanges of vietnam. u.s. naval officers meet with and work with the enemies naval officers. there are some joint operations that the united states does, so

it has come a long way and there is even speculation that cameron day, the major naval hub during the u.s. war there, could possibly be opened up to the united states military for use and to resupply, so that is something to look forward to in the future, but i think it is about strategic interest and the vietnam and u.s. now have shared interest in countering what they see as china's aggressive moves to sort of sense at the south china sea for its territorial claims. host: i will follow up with the next point, our line for .ndependents, (202)-748-8002 for those watching outside of the united states, on the web or on the bbc parliament channel, (202)-748-8003. the numbers are on the bottom of the screen. this is from joe d, when we let

it not, there was no talk about nationbuilding. is that why iraq and afghanistan are so hard to get over? are there parallels? guest: there are parallels and differences. the u.s.ne parallel is military in vietnam was faced with an enemy difficult to fight because they are fighting against insurgency, a guerrilla war tactic and the u.s. military at the time was not accustomed to that at all and it was a difficult and it did not go well. ofre was that kind nationbuilding effort at the time, a lot of the nonmilitary assistance and programs that at the time were designed to bolster vietnam as a politically strong entity, which failed. in iraq and afghanistan, same thing where we have tried to fight injures and sees that are a loose -- to fight insurgency that is elusive with

nontraditional tactics, which can be frustrating and lethal. we have also tried to build up those governments and nations and political structures and we found it yesterday. we are not bombing the way we did in vietnam, so the military tactics and technology has improved. of course, the politics of afghanistan are different and the taliban is not enjoy it popular political support that the viet cong and the vietnamese regime did, so the politics are interesting. host: our guest is "foreign policy" chief national security correspondent dan de luce. he spent a number of years the bureau chief and worked for the guardian newspaper in iran. we'll get the calls in the moment but i want to go to the issue of trade. how important is trade between the u.s. and vietnam? guest: it is significant and

could be potentially significant under the transpacific partnership trade agreement, which has been negotiated but it is not clear if it will be approved by congress here. the obama administration to seize the trade deal as a tremendous opportunity because vietnam has high tariffs on car and u.s. car exports are subject to 70% of cash, motorcycles, same thing, so the trade agreement went through, it to a lot of u.s. exporters and the vietnamese would also benefit because it would support the needs like apparel and footwear, so there is a lot of money at stake. 90 million people in vietnam, the middle class is expanding and that is an impetus with the relationship to build. host: also a popular tourism spot. a beautiful

country. speaking of the war, many u.s. veterans have traveled there and many americans and they are open to talking about the war, giving people wars. i have a cousin who was a marine aviator and he just went out there with his fellow pilots and they met the men they were fighting against and shooting at, and it was a cordial and emotional meeting. you have seen those things happening over the years, so it is an amazing evolution. host: we are glad you are here. let's bring in callers and listeners. we are talking about the president who was in vietnam today. part of the week log asia trip and it includes japan and a visit to hiroshima. ryan in washington. caller: good morning. just listening to all the programs this morning, everything is relevant to the and i am just

non-, curious howbeit their labor is so much more appealing than the chinese labor . can you tell us what the cost difference of that is? good question.a i do not know the answer to that. throughout southeast asia, labor is much cheaper than in our market. the biggest factor is not the cost of labor. it has been the tariff, the trade barriers, so the u.s. exports would be very competitive if they could be allowed into those markets, and vietnam is one of those markets where there have been significant trade bearings. as i said, u.s. auto exports are subject to something like 70% tariffs and our market is almost -- the u.s. market is much more open, so the trade deal, the argument for the trade deal is that those kind of tariffs would be removed. the flipside is that there are

other people saying, we do not get enough out of the agreement, and even hillary clinton, who actually masterminded the beginning of this trade negotiation now opposes it because the idea is there is not enough protection and the u.s. will not come out ahead, so there is a debate about this. other thing is that the it and am under the disagreement has to allow independent trade because it is a communist authoritarian system and their really not proper unions, so that would be a huge reform and that is an argument for the trade agreement, that it would push the anon in a more open direction, but it is unclear if they will carry through on that. timeline ofk presidential visits. 15 years ago that president bill clinton in 2000 was in vietnam. in 2006, president

george w. bush, and this week, city and itt in the will include stops and took it, japan for the g-20 summit. herschel joins us from cincinnati, ohio. caller: good morning. we visited vietnam and 2013 and we are friends of the african union, so there are a lot of vietnamese who are african-american and a lot of vietnamese who are african. what do you think is the chance that there will be a strategic agreement so that we would counter pose vietnam against china, seeing that they are willing to fight china and they and if they before, a?ered us a base to create public-private partnership we were at the united nations yesterday and we spoke at the side event for the indigenous people of the

world, and the vietnamese were there and the african union, so what is the chance that there will be a strategic agreement the two vietnam and the united china that counter poses based on the transpacific partnership, which uses japanese funding, taiwanese funding and south korean funding? host: thank you for the call. guest: i think the u.s. and vietnam are moving toward this strategic partnership you are talking about. i do not know whether there is one particular piece of that where we can say it is clinched, but there is no question that through a series of steps and a series of moves, statements, that the u.s. and vietnam have shared interests in countering china, and yes, china and vietnam have fought before, and most recently in 1979 with a

brief fight over the border because china was alarmed at the vietnam invasion of cambodia. ,espite china's huge advantages it did not come out well for china and vietnam beat them back, so that has not been forgotten. host: four dan de luce, our next call is linda from georgia -- glenda from georgia. caller: have you been to vietnam? the new market you keep talking make a quarter in our and they will only be able to shop at the dollar store, and they will be buying from american residing -- companies residing in amsterdam and building and developing their products to china. i just cannot believe what you

market people talk about. it depends on the product, the company, the market . this is the debate we are having in the united states right now. it isis no question that a growing market. but you have seen in asia-pacific over the decade is relatively poor countries have become prosperous. if you look at where it was 50 years ago and where it is now, it is extraordinary. the u.s. exports products to these markets and some u.s. companies profit off of that, and some u.s. immunities benefit . obviously, there is a debate to be had about what advantage the u.s. cause in particular situations. it is a trade-off. i do not think it is black and white. it is hard to generalize.

the argument is that you take your chances, you bet that more trade in the end will benefit block yourrying to economy to other countries. host: john, good morning. westfield, massachusetts. caller: good morning. correctly, thes theory was the thinking that got us involved over there, and how that all panned out and politicians make the same wars, and theese middle east, getting involved in something that you should stay away from, would you talk about that, please? host: thank you, john. guest: well, this is an interesting sort of ending or new chapter when you look back

at the very dark and difficult chapter that the vietnam war represents. you speak about wars in the middle east, one of the challenges the obama administration has had is really trying to focus more attention and resources and priority on the asia pacific region. the is where budget of global economy is centering, so u.s. interests are focused there, but wars in the middle east and the rise of the islamic state has made it difficult for the administration to stay focused on asia and places like vietnam because there were are these immediate emergencies that pull the u.s. back into the middle east. host: aj and, good morning. illinois, democrat line. -- adrian, good morning. illinois, democrat line. caller: thank you for having me. they are reporting this morning that this trip is nothing more

than a policy toward an outside to know his thoughts on this. host: what news outlet? caller: fox news. host: thank you. yes, this is a line of criticism that you have from the right of center. it is different than the situations of iran and cuba, but yes, the president has been adopting a consummate terry approach -- a consummate n approach toh -- a iran, and they decided that years of embargo had not succeeded in producing any change on the ground in cuba, so it was time to take a different approach. with vietnam, i don't think there will be any apologies from the u.s., but there will be a discussion about how the two countries can forge closer strategic interest, and then in

turn, at the same time, use u.s. influence to try and push the amount toward a more open human rights record and free political prisoners. host: in the call with reporters on friday, ben rhodes telling reporters who were listening basically that he will not apologize and he will say that hiroshima is an example of the dangers of four and then trying to move ahead. guest: that is right. clearly saying they will not apologize for truman's actions. guest: they made that clear, but there has been aligned at this president has been too friendly to governments, but you are right, there being very careful how the awarding the level of what transpired there. host: i wanted to make that clear with the audience. ran from pennsylvania. good morning. -- randy from pennsylvania.

good morning. $4000, our gdp is 53 thousand dollars, what could we possibly make or what could be a non-possibly afford to buy of hours? host: thank you. guest: it is the country where gdp is growing and the middle class is emerging. if you went to vietnam when bill clinton visited, you would have bells from bicycle traffic. now, it is the buzz of motorcycle and moped engines. and their exposure to western products has dramatically increased. there is construction all over the country and cities, so there

is income and they are buying and thatin south korea i made in japan. host: is there any form of capitalism in vietnam? a tweet from a viewer. guest: it is a state run economy, so i'd say the rough analogy is like china is now, sort of how china evolved. that is where china was maybe 10 years ago, so it is state run, no political freedom, but they are inviting foreign investment and it is state directed. host: fletcher from virginia, independent line. good morning. caller: how are you doing? host: fine, thank you. thank you for phoning in. caller: yes, sir. thank you particular call. i would mainly like to make a statement in reference to the free trade agreements and the fact that they are selling this

false goods. it is only allowed american corporations to set up and rogue countries, reduce their product, no epa, and then turn around and bring their products back tax-free. have thenment's protection of the u.s. military to protect their assets. i am a little upset that we continue to do this. the distribution of both that obama talks about is not distributed to the ghettos. it is distributed around the world. guest: we're back to this free-trade debate. i do not have a right to belong to answer on this. i think the flip side of that is that not all trade agreements are about allowing the us-based corporation to move part of its operations to another country. lowering farest

so that u.s. manufactured goods can be sold in other markets, so you open up another market and allow free competition. the flipside is that the u.s. asked to allow in more imports in some areas than other .ountries, so it is a gamble do you come out ahead if you have a more open trade or not? is the particular trade agreement giving you a positive advantage or not? these are detailed debates and you have to get into numbers and more details that affect whether you are going to say yes to a trade agreement or not. host: what about u.s. companies? which companies are doing business in vietnam and having products made in vietnam that are sent back to the u.s.? i know clothing is a big business. guest: it is. where the u.s. operates abroad,

vietnam is not one of the bigger market compared to other places. reason why vietnam is of such interest is because it is growing. you have a young population, demographic that has more money in its pocket, and u.s. companies want to reach that, so it is less about wanting to operate where there are low wages. in this case, the u.s. wants to get their product into that motorcyclesars and in one of them. a lot of the people in the cities are driving motorcycles and u.s. motorcycles are subject makes itriff and it impossible to compete, so that would be why the u.s. companies and u.s. administration is so focused on vietnam. host: we have a few more minutes with our guest. , line for8000

democrats. (202)-748-8001 for republicans. we were talking about the armed embargo and now beginning to sell arms to vietnam. what is the timeline? what to expect to hear this week with the president and what happens next? guest: it is very interesting whether we will here or not. it is coming down to the wire. just before the president left the white house, he was trying to arrive at a final decision whether to lift the ban on arms sales. it lifted partially in 2014, but they said we could sell some what bernie related -- some weapons that are related to maritime and this should be an entire lifting of the ban. what was an interesting thing is right before he left yesterday, the vietnamese released one of the most prominent political prisoner, who has been in and out of prison for decades, and he has been campaigning for

freedom of expression, so the fact that they released the prisoner released others over the past year, that is vietnam's way of trying to show that we are ready to work with them and improve our record. if the ban is lifted, it would mean that the u.s. could sell some type of radar, surveillance and if the vietnamese want to keep track of what the chinese are up to in the south china sea, so they would be very interested in u.s. technology, and the pentagon has also expressed a willingness to work with them on that. host: from massachusetts, jim, good money. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. my question or actually, my dad or is over there right now. she is a teacher, teaching english.

she says it has been remarkable to her that there does not seem to be any resentment among the vietnamese toward the united states over the war. host: that ghost year earlier point. guest: exactly. very good point. i have heard that so many times from so many people. has this impression when they spend time there. i think for americans, it is surprising. you do not expect that. amountows you how the has evolved, who they see as the real adversaries, and if you asked them about china, it is different. it is also the demographic. it is a young population and the wars very much ancient history for a lot of the people there and even the parents of the children that your daughter may be teaching. host: you can read the work of dan de luce online at foreignpolicy.xom -- foreignpolicy.com.

dan, good morning. caller: good morning. i want to know why these jobs go to the foreign countries when the united states people need jobs and that is where there is violence because there is no jobs. guest: there are many reasons why there are not enough jobs going around in the u.s. unemployment rate is low in the country right now, but there is a problem with well-paying jobs and there is a debate going on right now whether this kind of agreements,e trade and it started under the clinton administration in the 1990's, the north american free trade agreement was something championed by president clinton, and now there is a second look being taken as your question gets at -- are these trade agreements really benefiting the whole country, all of the u.s. population or not? the other side of this is

setting aside the trade disputes . the global economy is changing, and technology, new technology has arrived at such a fast pace that it ends up displacing a lot of people, so whether or not you have a particular trade agreement or not, there is a huge dislocation for a lot of people because jobs that existed are just got now because of the way technology has changed in the way we do things, manufacture, so that is another factor that -- apart from the free trade agreement. host: and a 12 hour time difference between washington and vietnam, correct? guest: yes. host: it will be monday morning when the president arrives their time and then to tokyo for the g-7 summit. good morning. you are on the air. caller: good morning. i just wanted to note, do they

think it is worth it for vietnam to be able to purchase american automobiles, is it worth it for our companies to sell those products if we are going to be receiving so much debt? our country is facing a huge debt crisis, so i want to know his opinion. does he think the trade agreement will be worth it and as he think free-trade benefits america or american citizens overall? guest: i am a journalist, so i will stay neutral, but i will to you the two schools of thought. the vietnamese government is interested in this trade agreement, and like other countries in south east asia and asia, they want more opportunities to sell their goods to the u.s. and to other countries in the area, and they also are ready to open up the gates to more imports from the u.s.

they think there is something to be gained on that, and they are ready -- they say they are ready to abide by the new rules about the environment, trade agreements, intellectual property, and as far as the u.s. economy is concerned, the administration would say to your question, well, the only way to move forward and get better paying jobs and to pay down the debt is to grow the u.s. economy and to do that through trade, and bernie sanders and some other people say no, either the trade agreements have to be renegotiated or negotiated in a more beneficial way for the u.s. were we should perhaps protect parts of our economy to have some sectors that we simply protect the terrorists. host: let me conclude with this point, i we had a good pivot point with regards to the u.s. and vietnam? i we had a better point in five years or 10 years ago? guest: absolutely. relations have improved

pneumatically. it is not just economic driven. it is largely driven by this what china is of doing in the south china sea and whether china is going to fend off and dominate the strategic waterway. host: "foreign policy" chief national security correspondent for beinge, thank you with us. encased you missed it last night, the season finale of "saturday night live" and the cold open included hillary clinton and bernie sanders. [video clip] >> whose bill should i put this on? >> mine. [laughter] >> well, bernie, we had some good times, you and i. >> it is true. remember when i told everybody to stop talking about your damn e-mails? [laughter] >> i know, i know. so stupid. i do not like humor, but that

was funny. [laughter] those states like wyoming, where you beat me by a lot but i still got most of the delegates? [laughter] >> that was so stupid. it is rigged. >> i know, it is so big. >> to debbie. [laughter] listen, hillary, this might be the beer talking, but can i tell you a secret? >> ok. >> you know how i constantly rally against the upper class? well, sometimes when i go to sleep at night, i dream about enough fancy millionaire or billionaire. >> really? >> in my dreams, i were a fancy hat and say fancy things like -- i will have a tuna sandwich. [laughter] >> can i tell you a secret?

i never told anyone this, but you know the presidency? i really, really want it. [laughter] host: from last night's season premiere of "saturday night live." 7:00e back tomorrow at eastern time. the house picks up the consideration of impeaching the irs commissioner. ta mitchell will be joining us at the table, former senator carl levin on efforts to moderator: and bill klein. a senior fellow. u.s. $6ations owing the billion. newsmakers is next. thanks for joining us on the sunday. enjoy the rest of your weekend. ♪