a libertarian fights for everybody to live free. if you want to be free to carry guns that you want, you also have to fight for the freedom of your neighbor to marry who he wants or she wants, to smoke what he or she wants. that is freedom for everybody. [applause] larry: my second question, mr. perry, most libertarians think both major parties are bad but the republican party is at least the lesser of two evils. what do you say to people who believe in the best case scenario libertarian candidates might get 10%. they will likely take more votes from the republicans making more likely hillary will win the election?

what is your argument? mr. perry: math and history and evidence. every election cycle there are exit polls that are done. and questions asked of voters that vote for libertarians. if the libertarian were not in the race who would you have voted for? it is almost even split between democrat and republican with a sizable number that would say i would not have voted otherwise. larry: governor johnson? mr. johnson: factually speaking my name has appeared in three national polls. 10%, 10% and 11%. they actually did an analysis and hold more votes away from hillary than from trump. at the end of the day you pull equally from both sides. the idea isn't just to get to 10%.

the idea is to actually get to 15% and be in the presidential debates creating a real opportunity to tell the people of the world a different view on all of these topics. [applause] larry: mr. peterson. mr. peterson: when faced with the opportunity to choose between two evils vote for neither. exit polls and virginia showed he polled more for the democrats than from the republicans. to arrive at left or right you could be born a republican or democrat. to be a libertarian one must first think to arrive at our position. [applause] of course, they always say you look like you have had too much to think. ays say you look like you have had too much to think. vote libertarian.

[applause] dr. feldman. is it possible for me to win the nomination, to be the next president of the united states? of course it is. all it takes is a miracle. miracles happen. who makes miracles happen? i'm looking at them right now. larry: mr. mcafee. throughee: i have lived 14 presidential elections. or republicansts have gotten in my life has been worse. there has been more government

control. i have lost my freedom and my privacy. my taxes have gone up. to me i don't care. i want to know who the wizard is behind the curtain that creates these clowns we are voting for. please. [applause] larry: let us turn to the economy. governor johnson. donald trump am a when asked to name three functions of government said national security, health care and education. where did he go wrong? [laughter] mr. johnson: i really don't even want to comment on donald trump. i really don't. when donald trump talks about deporting 11 million illegal immigrants, that is just wrong. we talked about building a fence across the border that is wrong. when he talks about killing the fat -- families of muslim terrorists that is wrong.

when he talks about a 35% tariff, that is wrong. when he says he's going to bring back waterboarding or torture, whatever, he is just wrong. [applause] larry: mr. peterson. mr. peterson: i would like to build a wall around donald trump and make bernie sanders pay for it. it is writing to see what has become of our nation when a man who is truly the definition of a fascist that the top of the republican ticket. we will stand united against the forces of populist. nationalism is only ever a means to an and. not the end itself.

knew in the fathers course of human events it becomes necessary for us to lift the cause of our separation. if donald trump wins the nomination we should revolt. larry: dr. feldman. glad thatn: i'm asshole finally got something right. it is not the government to do it. it is our job. it is our money. it is our job. i don't want to tell our government leave us alone. i want to tell our government relax, we've got this. [applause] mcafee.r. mr. mcafee: we have port $100 billion into education and we are near at the bottom.

another hundred billion and we will be illiterate. please, god that is our second largest expense in this country. you ask veterans are they benefiting? no they are not. thank you. larry: mr. perry? mr. perry: i would say a that is a flawed question asked of mr. john. -- trump. , the declaration of independence does say governments exist with the consent of the governed and are supposed to protect life, liberty and property. think you are smart enough to be your own government. [applause] larry: this next question is to mr. peterson. should illegal immigration be stopped?

what does open borders mean? mr. peterson: i believe a free market and labor is just as effective lifting people out of as aty is just as helpful free commodity. borders are drawn on a map by politicians. the nationstate things it only serves the needs of the individuals. i believe we as libertarians can offer to the american people a solution we have had in our history shows during the alicessive era, we had an island -- ellis island policy. you are out of time. dr. feldman.

mr. feldman: america is the land of opportunity. i will streamline this immigration system and we will have liberty for americans and be welcoming immigrants under my administration. dr. feldman. mr. feldman: like all libertarians i believe every human being has human rights. they don't matter which side of an imaginary line you were born on. we have illegal immigration because the multinational corporations and the wealthy corporate leaders like illegal immigration. they like having low skilled, low-paid workers. we need to empower them and open the borders. thank you. larry: the question is about

open borders. immigrant. i am an i came over when i was two years old. my father was an american serviceman. all of your ancestors were immigrants. what does the legal mean? our first immigrants had to stay in america for six months to become an american. what is wrong with that? open every border. we need diverse the. we need creative people. do you think people escaping oppressive governments are a problem? only if we are an oppressive government. [applause] larry: mr. perry. mr. perry: no human being is illegal. what would open borders look perry?nder president

we already have the policy in place. the wet foot dry foot policy. if you have dry feet and you are from q but you get to stay in the united states. we need to implement that for every person around the globe, where theywet foot are sent back to tyranny. larry: governor johnson. mr. johnson: we should make it as easy as possible for someone who wants to come into this country to get a work visa. they should entail a background check and social security card. we should not build a fence across the border. we should not depart 11 million illegal immigrants. we need to embrace immigration in this country and recognize these are the cream of the crop when it comes to workers coming across the border. they are not taking jobs u.s. citizens want. isis not lower pay unless it

an issue of language. they are the first ones who recognize that. [applause] larry: dr. feldman. oruld taxpayers pay for subsidize education at any level . mr. feldman: yes. for their children. people should be empowered to educate themselves and their kids. we shouldn't take that responsibility away from people. larry: mr. mcafee. mr. mcafee: there is an offensive word. taxpayer. taxpayers should pay for nothing that they do not receive goods or services four. [applause] larry: mr. perry. mr. perry: there should not be government run schools.

i love education. i never let my schooling get in the way of my education. every one of you in this room and watching at home can get an m.i.t. education right now, absolutely free. they have put their courses online. you can take them right now. go to con academy. you can learn anything you want for free. [applause] 4 governor johnson. mr. johnson: i was more outspoken than any governor in the country regarding school choice. for six straight years i toposed a voucher program bring competition to public education. unleash tens of millions of entrepreneurs to deliver better education in this country with guard to the federal role, abolish the federal department of education.

state $.11 out of every school dollar. it comes with 14 sense of strings attached. obama wants to add a bathroom to that. now it is $.16. you took all my good applause lines. america became the greatest nation in the world because of the one-room schoolhouse. nothing more than a pencil and piece of paper. now we spend more than in the civilized nation in the world. it is not an issue of money. it is an issue of centralization , central economic planning. we must stop their control over the lives of our children. we need more homeschooling. we need to allow the state to decide these problems. we need in the federal department of education once and

for all. [applause] larry: mr. mcafee. even president obama said the three biggest entitlement wordsms are in his unsustainable. they comprise 50% of the federal budget. what would you do about them? mr. mcafee: we have committed to people who have paid a substantial percentage of their work and salary into this program. i don't think anyone under the age of 40 believes he will get any of that back. the rest of these entitlement programs i'm sorry, it sounds unsavory perhaps, even uncaring. they are not helping. certainly not our nation. larry: mr. perry. mr. perry: as with everything, i believe they should be

completely voluntary. how many people in here love grandma's? how many of you would donate money to feed grandma? i do not see a single person that did not raise their hand. that is how you find social security, medicaid and medicare. way youson: the only are for medicaid and medicare is to devault those functions to the -- dissolve those functions to the states. mexico, if of new given a fixed amount of money i could have delivered health care to those on welfare and those over 65. with regards to social security it is absolutely fixable but it is raising the retirement age. it is having a fair means testing. it's being able to self direct those funds in a way you see fit.

one of the great inequities in our country is poor people who andinto social security die, that reverts to the government as opposed to their heirs. [applause] larry: mr. peterson. mr. peterson: it's time to allow people to opt out of social security. [applause] but they stole the money from us in the first place. they should have to give it back. when it comes to how we can get out of social security problems, if we did implement a flat tax, we would get more revenue. as of now only 27% of suckers pay their taxes. if we had a flat tax perhaps we would get more revenue and could plug the gap as we allow young people to opt out. it's time for us to opt out. [applause] larry: dr. feldman. mr. feldman: government programs

are always bad deals. we need new ideas. i have the idea. let people on social security voluntarily invest in student debt. that decreases student debt from then increases the return to our secure -- social security, up from 1% to 2%. doubling their benefits. care of theake educational opportunities for kids. when the kids get jobs, they can support retirements of their elders. thank you. [applause] if you don't believe government should force people into some sort of social security or forest saving system, what halperin's -- what happens when someone has grown old or two irresponsible to set aside savings. what should happen? people here that like

grandma would donate to grandma. you would have voluntary aid programs as we did before the government took over social security. forcing people to do things is always wrong. larry: governor johnson? mr. johnson: i'm not advocating it should be abolished. it should be self-directed as much as possible. as president i would sign legislation that would allow 100% of social security to be self-directed. i don't think they are going to pass that. in the meantime, the reforms that are needed, raise the retirement age for you could have a means testing, self-directed fund and allow those that pay into social security and died before the amount of money they paid and was paid back, that could be passed on to their heirs and be a part of a fair means testing.

larry: mr. perry. -- mr. peterson. right it is: damn pre-no one was dying in the street before social security. two in social welfare programs for all. when the pilgrims came they had a system. from each according to his ability. starving to death. how did we create the cornucopia? they had private property rights and free markets. that is how we will take care of the poor. [no audio] [applause] mr. feldman: the easier it is

for private organizations to give them help. they don't need help at the point of the government gun. [applause] mr. peterson: none of us are going to pass a child drowning in a river. you don't think about it. you save the child. everyone has a neighbor, a friend, someone who is going to care. libertarianism is not heartlessness. it is the opening of your heart to your neighbor and other human beings. [applause] larry: does global warming or climate change was threat to the planet? >> the real question is, is carbon emissions. we should be as consumers, we are looking to reduce carbon

emissions. in that context the free market has bankrupted cold -- coal. it is something that has happened. i'm not smart enough to say whether it is man-made. there is climate change that is occurring. does that have to do with the sun and the earth? harrison schmitt to walk on the moon and was senator from new mexico questions whether global warming takes place or not. carbon emissions is something that we genuinely as human beings want to see reduced. coal is a good example of having been bankrupted by the free market. these are free market sources at work that have refused to put any money into coal.

it is a fact. [crowd boos] >> the free market didn't bankrupt the coal industry. it was regulations and president obama. the greatest polluter on earth is the u.s. federal government. the free market can solve problems of the environment. what use is a clean environment if we have no freedom? whether or not global warming is true or not, the government should stay the hell out of it. i am not smart enough to know whether i'm it change is killing us. but it was not a free market that bankrupted the coal industry. hillary clinton has said she will end it. canmust nominate me so we restore liberty for every industry.

larry: i have been asked to ask you gentlemen to remove your cell phones. that is causing interference. >> i don't know that i should know. we all should know. even if there is a consensus on the problem of global climate change, there is no consensus on the solution. this isn't being used as an issue for furthering science and humanity. it's an issue that is used to take our resources and control our lives. [applause] mr. mcafee pre-does global warming or climate change poses threat to the planet? mr. mcafee: of course it does pretty oceans are rising.

inever, with all the money our government, has anything changed? the military is the largest polluter on the planet. government can't fix it. give us a chance. maybe we can work it out. [applause] larry: mr. perry. been ary: has there global warming? allow me to present exhibit a. there once was in ice age. and now there is not. the question is, should the government do anything about it? i say no. [applause] larry: mr. peterson. what taxes do you believe in? how should government fund its essential duties and obligations? mr. peterson: a voluntary society, freely. if we have taxes, why not a lottery?

it is just a tax on people who are bad at math. [laughter] our first president did sign lottery taxes. they said how we going to build the roads? he found a way without coursing his citizens to allow a chance for us to find the best way for us to serve one another. the question is and who will build the roads. we will build the roads. --n it comes to taxation, [inaudible] [applause] the end. [laughter] larry: dr. feldman. mr. feldman: we have a responsibility to take care of each other. we can do that without government stealing from us. taxation is theft. it is the worst kind of theft. our government convinces people whatwould belong to them belongs to the government. it is our money.

it is not their money. >> this nation survive without no income taxes. how is that possible? we had a government doing reasonable things at small costs. theaxation that involves sweat of your brow could possibly be legal. government this voluntarily. we have national parks. road, want to drive on a pay a dollar for every thousand miles you drive, we can do this. insanity oftop the a government out of control. and growing like a weed. we can do that. .r. perry mr. perry: your question is

invalid. it presumes there are essential duties of government. if you want nasa to exist and send things into space, write a check to nasa. if you want the u.s. military to drone bomb children in the middle east, write a check to the military but don't force me to pay for it. [applause] larry: governor johnson. mr. johnson: i've always had the best example of a libertarian tax is a gas tax. you use gas, you drive on the highways. it gets co-opted for other things. taxation is theft. i am running for president of the united states. i'm going to pass any legislation that reduces taxes in this country. however that is. would advocate is eliminating income tax corporate tax, and we would then be able to abolish the irs. which is about as to radical as it gets.

[applause] would be elected president of the united states of the united states. i don't think congress is going to abolish corporate tax without replacing it with something. they could replace it with a consumption tax. i would ask you to look at the fair tax to dock the eyes and 's on how to accomplish one federal assumption tax. [crowd boos] [applause] dr. feldman. mr. feldman: are we skipping austan? >> i answered. larry: dr. feldman. should there be a minimum wage. preventou present --

employees from exploiting workers? mr. feldman: the minimum wage is always zero. ask anybody who doesn't have a in because the government is control of the economy. we should raise wages for everybody by making more demand from working people to be productive. thank you. [applause] larry: mr. mcafee. do we need a minimum wage in a free market? where you are worth a certain amount and you are not getting paid, and you may walk across the street at your free will and get paid what you deserve. it will happen. minimum wages are an illusion. it has nothing to do with whether we are men or women. it has to be what can you do and what is that worth? that is the free market. larry: mr. perry. mr. perry: i have a question for

those that support a minimum wage. hopefully it is no one in this room. as a small business owner, there are times when i don't make the minimum wage based on the hours i work versus what i bring in. my question is if you support a minimum wage, who should die steal the money from to make the difference? [applause] larry: governor johnson? mr. johnson: i think we are missing the bow on this argument. $15 minimum wage. let's raise it to $75. let's be the most prosperous nation in the world. when you think about it, somebody -- you can't do that. you can do $15 or $12?

minimummum wage is the wage. it is not a living wage. it is a starting wage. mr. peterson. mr. peterson: it was originally passed to stop black laborers from competing with white labor. it was racist. the real minimum wage is zero dollars. it is harmful for the poor. it harms the people who are unemployed, unskilled, and able to get jobs. if you have to pay $15 an hour you have to hire the best worker you can and not the boy next door. we have to stop the minimum wage so we can pull the poor out of poverty. [applause] government fund infrastructure, roads, bridges? electrical grids? if government doesn't do it who

or what will? mr. mcafee: each of those are separate problems. we have interstate highways. there are issues involved in right-of-way, and intricate problems involving eminent domain. we have to address that differently than local problems with solar power and new technologies. local facilities can be created to generate that. the government should ask the maximum be involved in the minimum part in this issue. larry: mr. perry. mr. perry: i will do my best to answer this in 30 seconds. hotels thrive on having customers stay in their hotel area people need to get to their hotel. people are probably coming to visit and do stuff. all of these places thrive on customers. they need a flat surface to come and go from.

businesses will be incentivized to have these flat surfaces called roads. we don't need to steal the money. let the people who thrive from them pay for them voluntarily of course. larry: governor johnson. mr. johnson: infrastructure is the best example of how you can privatize this through user fees to accomplish that. should government be in charge of that process? you're probably going to have government administrators over it a request for proposals to see this happen. the government shouldn't be involved in this pretty private sector can be involved in this. they can apply the best taxes possible which are user fees by those that in fact use the infrastructure. larry: mr. peterson. mr. peterson: the old who will build the roads. rhodes, roads. where we are going we don't need roads.

[applause] the truth is in the future we will have a jet pack. whereon't see a future freedom can solve the problems that are created by government. the free market can solve these problems. take a look at hurricane katrina when there was no electricity. people stepped in and started offering generators. they are charging for these generators more than the free market but they called them price gougers. supply and demand work. i'm out of time. who will build the roads? we don't need roads through we don't need government to build roads [applause] . the constitution of the united states says all the government can do is what is necessary and proper. my balancing credit states sayse government candidate is what is

necessary and proper. put the american and control of every dollar paid if they do not want to send money to the irs, they can take care of gray mom, take care of veterans, and to do all of the things that would need to be done. and there is nothing necessary and proper for the government to take care of. [applause] larry: mr. perry. mr. perry: assume that somebody cannot get health insurance, what would you do about it? mr. perry: it is not the president responsibility to make sure that anybody has health insurance. look at saint jude hospital, they take her of children with cancer, they do not charge the families a dime, they thrive off of voluntary contributions. [applause] larry: governor johnson? mr. johnson: when it comes to

health care, we need a free market approach. by the way, health card is as -- health care is as far removed from the free market as it possibly could be. we will have health insurance to cover illness and it would be pay-as-you-go in a system that is affordable. ,e would have stitches are us x-rays are us, for pre-existing conditions -- look, before president obama's affordable health care plan, nobody was going without health care in the --ntry, and in fact became nobody with a pre-existing condition was always receiving health care, it was an issue of you paid for it. i think that we have looked at this, the supreme court justice roberts was right when he said myt health care is a tax and premiums have quadrupled and i have not seen a doctor in four years. larry: mr. peterson?

mr. peterson: if you own a fire insurance company and people were allowed to buy insurance after the house caught fire, you would go bankrupt. supply and demand will catch up with them and it forces insurance companies into an economic situation, because the communists want single-payer health care, we need to let the market work and allow people to purchase insurance across state lines. [applause] larry: dr. feldman? mr. perry: i support -- dr. feldman: i support universal health care, people should care about their own health, universally. with a balancing credit program that provides billions of dollars for individuals to decide how to spend their money to support their fellow man, women, children, and when they are donating money to do that, because the budget is balanced,

the government will have to decide where to cut, cut, and cut, where the private sector is already doing things better. [applause] larry: mr. mcafee? mr. mcafee: in 1950, health care was 4%, it is now 20%. have we become that much sicker? what has happened. , they are terrified of doing anything because of malpractice and all of the other barriers to doctors making a living. if we got back to a rational cost, health insurance would be far most important. we see this. [applause] larry: governor johnson. on trade, would you continue trading with partners who impose tariffs on american goods into those who engage in, as donald

trump put it, manipulation? mr. johnson: there should not be terrorists anywhere in the united states can lead by example. when you talk about a terrorist iff oneign goods -- tar foreign goods, we pay for it. larry: mr. peterson? mr. peterson: this foreign countries want to throw rocks in their harbor, let them. we should be the beacon of free trade. lifts peoplests -- out of poverty. billions of dollars saved. that is what i would champion. [applause] larry: dr. feldman, would you continue trading with partners who impose tariffs on american goods and those who engage in currency manipulation? we can be fair and

is they will not trade with us, we will trade with somebody else. i give my barber money and he gives me haircuts. he never gives me money. we need free-trade and it does not need an agreement. [applause] mcafee?r. mr. mcafee: free-trade is not need government approval if -- approval, if there is a terrace and i -- tariff and i am a private business, i can say, this makes sense and i can do it. it is a big world and everybody is producing something. [applause] larry: mr. perry? mr. perry: the federal reserve is currently currency manipulation, so if i as president were to say that nobody can do any trading of goods or services with a country that is involved in currency manipulation, then nobody could

do trade with the u.s., because we currently manipulate. regarding free trade, i have it written right here, the role of government shall interfere with the trade of goods -- shall not interfere the trade of goods and services. that is all you need. [applause] larry: mr. peterson, what should be done about the federal reserve? is there a legitimate function for the fed? mr. peterson: it is time to kill the bank. [applause] as andrew jackson said, you are a den of vipers and i will -- you out. if we can't allow gold, silver and bitcoins to compete against the federal reserve, we will have monetary institutions. we have gone for the central bank three times in our history, thomas jefferson believed we do not need a central bank.

money is a creation of the marketplace, allow a free market and money and we will restore prosperity in america once again. [applause] -- y: [cheering] larry: the fed is not very popular in the room. theneterson: end the fed, end the fed. [applause] [chanting] larry: mr. mcafee? mr. mcafee: we got along without the fed for 150 years and we were doing fine. there is no purpose for the fed other than to feed money into the pockets of the powerful and special interests. it can and -- end as easy as it

started. [applause] [chanting] larry: mr. perry? mr. perry: let's repeal the laws that allowed -- to go to prison for competition with the fed and then we can and -- end the fed. [cheering] [applause] larry: governor johnson? is johnson: as president, congress -- if congress amended legislation to end the reserve, i would sign it. i do not think they will send that to me, i do not think it will happen. if they did, i would sign it and those functions could be taken up by regional banks. it is a rigged game, when banks can get money and 0% and they can take away our opportunities,

for example, 2008 financial crisis where we could have stepped in and actually bought at a -- bought houses bargain, but we were not allowed into the banks scooped that up for themselves and now we have a re-inflation bubble in regards to housing, so it is rigged it we need to audit the federal reserve -- rigged. we need to audit the federal reserve and we have not because it is so frightening, they are buying across the world and it if theyuse a collapse, were actually known. [applause] what: dr. feldman, government cabinet departments would you eliminate? dr. feldman: i would not eliminate any one of them. i was that the american people eliminate all of them. by replacing them with voluntary, private sector

programs that are more efficient, productive, and better for america. [applause] larry: mr. mcafee, what government positions with you eliminate? dr. feldman: i think -- mr. mcafee: i think everyone is spending money that we have provided to the government. all of them, and we will start from scratch to see what is needed after everything is gone. [applause] mr. perry, are there any government cabinet positions that you would retain? mr. perry: no. the question is, which i would eliminate first. we will just go alphabetical, that is the easiest [applause] way. [applause] -- easiest way. [applause] larry: governor johnson? mr. johnson: as the president, it is subject to what the congress submits to you. on me to sign off on anything

these agencies. if i was a dictator and could wave a magic wand, it would be commerce, education, drug enforcement administration, nsa -- [applause] is an executive order, 12333, signed undertreatment. turn the satellites away from us. it has been turned on the enemies, us, and this is the government. this is tyranny. [applause] larry: mr. peterson, what government cabinet positions with you eliminate? mr. peterson: i am from missouri and we love our guns and whiskey, so i think that the -- and should not be a government

agency. the president of the u.s. has the authority to effectively -- institutions of the federal government and that is the dea. we can have a war on drugs by telling the tape of the dea to bring all drugs to zero, this would effectively kick the war back to the states. and we could end the dea that way. [applause] larry: we will turn our attention to foreign policy. mr. mcafee, what do you think of the iran deal, does it pose a threat to israel and is that a concern for america? mr. mcafee: the iran deal, where we pay an enemy hundreds of billions of dollars to do what? ideasweapons, systems and to destroy ourselves? we need to get out of the internal affairs with all of these nations and bring our

troops home and stop giving military aid. [applause] larry: mr. perry, the iran deal? mr. perry: despite the fear mongering, iran is not trying to build nuclear weapons, they were trying to build nuclear energy. to continueows them to build that, but there is a lot of taxpayer money going to iran, so there are parts that are good, parts that are bad. i've not read the document, so i do not know if the good outweighs the bad. but probably not. larry: governor johnson? mr. johnson: on the surface, i initially supported the iran deal, it just made sense. it turns out that iran is categorically proven to finance terrorism, they are the number one financiers of terrorism around the world and because we released $165 billion, secretary

kerry himself admitted that some of the money would go to terrorists. no, we should not have signed the deal, we should not have unfrozen those assets, we could have engaged in an ongoing free-trade, but to release the $165 billion, there will be terrorism funded out of that. [applause] larry: mr. peterson? mr. peterson: there comes the wonky journalist who has actually done the research. it was problematic because it was and i -- executive agreement. the congress is supposed to ratify treaties, not the president. congress authorized the president to make a deal. i believe that we should have free trade with all countries, despite weather status is. capitalism brings down tyranny around the world. [applause] larry: dr. feldman, that iran

deal? behind the deal are two groups of people whose crazy hatred of each other are putting the whole world at risk of war, i am talking about democrats and republicans. [applause] dr. feldman: we have plenty of issues here to deal with and plenty of people to trade and health around the world -- help efored the world b dealing with these military adventures. larry: mr. perry? mr. perry: president obama has called the hiroshima bomb an active evil, do you agree? mr. perry: absolutely, when kill, -- nuke a city and what, millions of people, it is deplorable. president obama visited but he did not apologize.

but i will, as soon as possible. [applause] larry: president -- governor johnson, he called it evil, do you agree? mr. johnson: i do not to judge actions that have been so many years ago, president truman was phased -- faced with a challenge millions of lives being lost. one question i have regarding the bomb, one bomb was dropped, and perhaps this is in history and i am not aware, but after one bomb was dropped, why was there not as much outreach as possible to prevent the second bomb? it is a difficult decision made in difficult times and millions of lives were lost and so many of them are american lives and we lost hundreds of thousands -- we would have lost hundreds of thousands more if we had to invade. [applause] larry: mr. peterson?

offense, you no started and i will end it. when it comes to the bomb, it is like another weapon, like a drone or a gun. if you fake an exit essential threat, you have the right to defend yourselves and under no circumstances would i endanger the national security of the united states. the japanese were killing 6000 civilians a month, the baton death march. we have a right to defend ourselves using any means necessary, absolutely. [applause] larry: dr. feldman? is evilman: often who and who is desperately trying to survive depends on which side of the gun you are on. unfortunately, you have to do with you -- what you have to do, so whether it is evil, i do not know.

there was tremendous suffering and it was it was not necessary, as i am sure that everybody does. the question is, what is the president going to do when there are tough decisions to be made, we have to make safer and more peaceful world, where we take care of each other instead of fighting with each other. [applause] larry: mr. mcafee? costcafee: an apology buy?ng, but what might it this is not an emotional issue, somebody felt offended. good lord, have you never apologize to a spouse for something you do not remember doing? what does it cost and what does it gain? larry: governor johnson? do you believe radical islam poses a threat to europe,

america, to western civilization itself? mr. johnson: i am sorry? larry: do you believe that radical islam poses a threat to europe, america, with some civilization itself? mr. johnson: i do. congress has added gated desk and ticket response ability to the president and military and we need an open discussion on how we do it this. like i say, this is something that has not happened [applause] . -- happened. [applause] larry: mr. peterson? mr. peterson: the most dangerous religion in the world is stadium is a -- statism. we must do things constitutionally, not only through force of arms. liberal thinking must be defended and if i say, if we are going to fight radical islam, we

must do so within the law and never go outside the powers of the executive branch. only go to war if there is a declaration of war, that is the only way that the president has any authority to defend the u.s. , using the u.s. military. [applause] feldman?. dr. feldman: there is no islamic terrorism. there are muslim terrorists. we need the people to take the blame, not a religion. [applause] is not a war, it is a crime. we know how to fight crime, you fight them as criminals. [applause] larry: mr. mcafee? mr. mcafee: terrorism of course poses a threat, but there is a far greater threat and that is

the actions of our government, which created this terrorism. we dropped bombs on families, hospitals, on innocent people as was perhaps the guilty. my god, you would be angry too. you would be frustrated and what would you do? if we are the source of the problem, the biggest threats to us is our government. please, we must stop our own aggression. [applause] larry: mr. perry? mr. perry: we the members of the libertarian party rise in opposition to the called of the omnipotent state. hidesy is tyranny and behind many religions, but the tyrants are doing the hiding. freedom is the answer, not war, not more government, not blaming people's religion because

tyranny is the problem. [applause] larry: mr. peterson? was it wrong for america to intervene in world war i, was it wrong for them to have intervened and fought in world war ii? mr. peterson: it was in world war i, because they found that the thinking of we should take sitania, it did have arms and it was challenging the embargo. and we would of never gotten involved in world war ii if we had stayed out of world war i. [applause] larry: dr. feldman? dr. feldman: there were a lot of right people and i am sure if they could find a way not to get into war, they would not have done it. i do not have the egoism to say that i have a better idea at that time, it was a horrible situation and i do not know if

anything could have been done differently. larry: mr. mcafee? was it wrong for america to have intervened and fought in world war i, was it wrong for america to intervene and have fought in world war ii? mr. mcafee: world war ii, our entire pacific fleet was destroyed, what would have happened if we do not go into the war? world war i, it was a far more complex affair, and before my time, i do not have the answer. [applause] larry: mr. perry? mr. perry: you have the right to defend yourself, but you do not have the right to provoke somebody to attack you in order to defend yourself. the united states military had a boat off the shore of japan to provoke an attack from japan, so they could claim self-defense. was it wrong to intervene, yes. i am not touching you, i am not

touching you, that becomes aggression. [applause] governor johnson, was it wrong for america to intervene in world war i and world war ii? mr. johnson: i do not know. [applause] larry: dr. feldman, we spend more on our military then the next 15 nations combined, how large should our military be? do we spend too much and where would you cut? am agnostic, i do not know how big the government should be. larry: military? part of it. that is i want every american to decide how much taxes to sense of the government for drones and

surveillance and all of the things that support the military industry. weaponsto manufacture to support the war effort, now we manufacture war efforts to support our weapons industries. [applause] larry: mr. mcafee? mr. mcafee: america claims to love peace and yet we are the nation on the planet, name a country that has not been affected by our military activities, directly or indirectly, so if you can name one, i will be one of my shoes. we do not need to have troops overseas. we can find a use for them here. some people may have noticed, we have real problems at home. [applause] larry: mr. perry? mr. perry: we do not need troops in 150 something countries in

nearly 900 military bases. i would say that we do not need a standing army, but at the least, i will say that it should not be funded through theft and coercion. the military should be as big as it can be offered donations and bake sales. [laughter] [applause] larry: governor johnson, we spend more on the military than the next 15 countries combined, how large should it be? where would you cut? mr. johnson: i think we spend more than all of the countries come by, more than all of the countries in the world combined. i would look to reduce the size of the military. i say that it is offense and i would be looking to reduce expenditures by 20% and that would not be going back but a handful of years. i think that you need a skeptic at the table when it comes to

military budget. the fact that we have 100,000 troops on the ground in europe, does anybody see logic in that, yet it continues to go on. as i mentioned earlier, we have executive treaties, not implemented by congress. it is with 69 countries that we are obliged to defend their borders, it does not seem right. the fact that we have bases anywhere in the world where now we can fly aircraft from the refuelingecause of capabilities, we do not need air force bases. let's start with a 20% reduction in the military, which would not reduce our ability to provide for an impenetrable national defense. defense. [applause] mr. peterson. my pick for:

secretary of defense said, the polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody that you need. we need a strong national defense, but the focus is on defense. we have not had an audit since 2011. i will demand an audit of the pentagon. trillion and.5 they cannot compete with the f-16. i will find -- and we will make meaningful cuts to the military and we will put a stop to the industrial complex in the united states. [applause] mr. mcafee, would you as president pull the united states out of nato, the international monetary fund, and or you the united nations -- and or the united nations? mr. mcafee: all three of them, no doubt. larry: mr. perry? mr. perry: as soon as possible.

larry: governor johnson? mr. johnson: we should have diplomacy and engage ourselves in diplomacy to avoid what would in fact and is in fact, a military complex. the greatest threat in the world is north korea, at some point kim will have ballistic missiles that work. how about engaging china in a hand in hand, let's do something about north korea. let's do something about kim unifying the koreas and being able to withdraw 40,000 troops in south korea. larry: mr. peterson? when you pull the u.s. out of nato, the international monetary -- , and mr. peterson: absolutely. larry: mr. feldman?

like it, it tells us who our friends are. and it is a big waste of time. [laughter] [applause] larry: mr. perry? [laughter] larry: are libertarians isolationists? absolutely not, call me an isolationist for not wanting to invade poland is like saying i do not want to invade my neighbor's fridge. switzerland has one of the best foreign policies in the world and they are not isolationists. has anybody ever had swiss chocolate, swiss cheese, or a swiss army knife? it is not isolation. larry: governor johnson? mr. johnson: if the united states is attacked, we will attack back.

and we should have an invincible national defense, not offense. so diplomacy to the health, -- hilt, engage countries in unitesting, free trade the world and it is something that needs to be always promoted. but no, the united states, as president, no. i am not an isolationist. perry -- mr. peterson? mr. peterson: it is those bomb foreign countries and caused people to hate us which causes us to be more isolated. some are isolationists. isn't it splendid? we have homage in the country -- amish in the country, people are to be free to be isolated if they desire. it is time for the government to h--out of the middle

east and bring troops home. [applause] larry: dr. feldman? dr. feldman: we are not isolationists, we just believe in intervening by dropping philanthropy and free speech and free trade on other countries, instead of bombs. [applause] mr. mcafee? is a country minding its own business isolationism? is a country opening doors to free-trade and immigration isolationism? no, it is the opposite of isolationism. isolationism is wanting to impose your will, culture, and their own way of life. and our own arrogance on to others in the world.

[applause] larry: let's turn our attention to social policy. governor johnson, between the democratic party or the republican party, which is the most anti-freedom, anti-libertarian -- or from a libertarian point of view, which is the lesser of two evils? mr. johnson: they are both equally, they both equally have their quirks -- warts. let's engage them in civil dialogue, the opportunity exists this election to really take from both sides and point out that each side has their strong points and that is with the libertarian party represents, the strong points on each side. [applause] larry: mr. peterson? mr. peterson: they call us the third-party mobile i think that we feel like we live in a

one-party state, because they are two wings of the same bird. socialism, bailouts and the war and the other one let's corporatism. the libertarian party is the second party and when i am president we will finally be a two-party system again. [applause] dr. feldman? dr. feldman: hillary clinton said that donald trump was not qualified to be president. donald trump said that hillary clinton was not qualified to be president. for the first time i think that they are both right. [applause] larry: mr. mcafee? mr. mcafee: the lesser of two evils is still evil. what we're dealing with our two machines, that is all they are.

they have no heart and they have no soul and they eat up everything. we are not dealing with hillary clinton or donald trump, we're dealing with two machines. would you rather be ground in a meat grinder or sliced and diced? i would choose neither. [applause] larry: mr. perry? mr. perry: they are both equally evil and to ask which one is the lesser evil is like asking my favorite std. i do not have one. [applause] mr. peterson? mr. peterson when does life begin? when should it be a crime for a woman to have an abortion? mr. peterson: i am not a doctor or a scientist, it most likely because at conception, so all humans deserve the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of

happiness and it includes the unborn. [applause] dr. peterson -- mr. me, dr.? -- excuse feldman? i have my own very firm religious convictions, i do not mix dairy products and meat products, but i do not think that a cheeseburger should be illegal. we have a pro-life community and they should be able to enforce their rules on their community. we have a pro-choice community and they should be able to enforce their views on their community. and if they want to spread their message, they should invite other people by example to show what a wonderful community they have. it is not the job of government. [applause] mcafee?r.

when does life begin and at one point -- at what point should it be a crime when a woman has an abortion? mr. mcafee: i do not know when life begins. i do know what it means to be with a woman who is forced to face this choice. i know that early on, the fetus is indistinguishable on the body of the woman, connected by the same blood, said by the same nutrition -- fed by the same nutrition. it is a complex problem but until you are faced with the issue as a woman or a father, it is your choice. it is your choice. [applause] larry: mr. perry? mr. perry: the question of abortion is one that has been biased. i know that government should not be involved, money should not be stolen from anybody to

pay for any abortion or any abortion alternative services. [applause] larry: mr. perry, is there a point in your opinion where pregnancy -- terminating a pregnancy should be illegal? mr. perry: people should be allowed to adopt an unborn child, should they want to do so. larry: governor johnson? mr. johnson: i do not think that people realize the law of the land, the law of the land says that women have the right to abortion up until the right -- of the fetus. and they define it as being able to sustain the life of the fetus outside the will, that is the law of the land. that said, there should never become a penalties against --

criminal penalties against a1. how could there ever be a more difficult choice than having an abortion. the issue should only be with a woman involved and i support the woman in making that most difficult of choices. [applause] dr. feldman? do you believe in any form of gun control. should a child be able to walk into a store and get a gun, what about automatic weapons like ak-47s? believe in gun control and a believe that people should control their guns. [applause] i think that criminals should not be able to get guns. i do not know how to stop them because they do not think to follow the law. [laughter] [applause] mr. mcafee, do you

believe in any form of gun control? -- i amee: probably probably the biggest gun advocate in the room. constitution has no limits, it does not say you have the right to bear arms, unless you are under 21, or unless you are a criminal or have a 15 round magazine. let your parents decide when you can shoot a .22. no control. none. larry: mr. perry? mr. perry: those that advocate disarming felons for life believe that humans cannot be rehabilitated. i have a friend that 20 plus years ago served time in prison for a murder that he did not

commit, but he was involved in. those who advocate gun control say that he should not be able to defend himself, his wife or child. i support the right for self-defense, regardless of the past because i believe that humans can rehabilitate themselves. [applause] larry: governor johnson. mr. johnson: i do not. i have been a gun supporter my entire life. of new, as governor mexico, i got the concealed carry legislation, which at that time was cutting-edge. i stood up through our initiatives, to limit the number of bullets in the magazine, limit the caliber of the bullets that look, i am in the belief if you start limiting big caliber guns, only the criminals will have big caliber guns.

if you're going to try to take guns away from everybody, the criminals will be left with the guns. [applause] and the police. larry: mr. peterson. mr. peterson: i think that we need to control the government's use of guns. honestly, no. believe in a, i world where gay marriage couples can protect their weed filled with -- fields with machine guns. the constitution says, shall not be infringed. it does not say muskets, it says arms. we have the right to bear arms and will be protected under a peterson administration for once and for all. [applause] larry: mr. mcafee? should one have to get a government issued license to what about multiple

spouses, where it anywhere would you draw the line? love oree: licenses for to --r you choose ourselves before going to bed, what right does anybody have in the bedroom. it does not matter with the sex is or how many people may or may not be there. good lord. [laughter] [applause] no, absolutely not. perry.mr. where do i draw the line, when you force somebody into a relationship. all things consensual should be illegal, nobody should go to jail for anything unless they are causing unjust harm to another person. larry: governor johnson? initially, i said

that we should get government out of the business of marriage, completely. wasit turns out that this in response to gay marriage and the ability of same-sex couples to marry or marry whomever that you love, get government out of that business. it turns out that there are hundreds, if not thousands of laws, to actually contain the word marriage and that would have to be amended. hundreds and thousands of laws that would need to be amended, as opposed to the government recognizing same-sex marriage -- one piece of legislation, that was my then support of one piece of legislation. [applause] larry: mr. peterson? mr. peterson: i believe in the separation of marriage and state. [applause] businessnment has no interfering in private contract between conceptual -- consenting

adults, no matter how many. larry: dr. feldman? dr. feldman: i do not need a conceal and carry certificates, i do not need any kind of marriage license, i do not need a marijuana growers permit, i have a constitution. what i need is a government honors it and does not ask for licenses and permits and certificates for things that are none of the government's business. [applause] [cheering] i think they like your answer. mr. perry, north carolina passed thew that said, as for public sector, one should use the vacuum that corresponds with

the gender on his or her birth certificate. how do you feel about that law? mr. perry: where does but angel -- buck udo goes to the potty? most of you probably do not know who that is. it is a transgender cornstarch, -- porn star, and he now looks like adam could cash -- kokesh. the republicans say that he should go to the ladies room, but i think that is wrong. [applause] larry: governor johnson? mr. johnson: as governor, and had the distinction of saying more legislation -- seeing more legislation and all of the other governors combined. if this legislation was put on my desk, would have vetoed it. larry: mr. peterson? mr. peterson: socialists

confused the decision between government and society, if it is a government building -- but private property owners should be able to discriminate if they so choose and that is freedom. larry: dr. feldman? dr. feldman: as a physician i think it is a good idea to have two separate bathrooms, one for people who watch their hands and one for people who do not -- wash their hands and one for people who don't. [laughter] [applause] mcafee.r. mr. mcafee: i have traveled extensively and in much of the third world, you can use the bathroom in the street in front of everybody. from that perspective, i cannot see how anybody could care. i am sorry. it looks like -- [applause] mr. perry: it looks like a

bizarre smokescreen to me, i am suspicious of everything. if we have that much attention on something so trivial, something else is happening behind it. [applause] turn to somel questions about liberty. governor johnson, what kind of person would you put on the supreme court and should congress hold hearings on obama's nominee? mr. johnson: congress should hold hearings on the nomination. constitutionally, he did his duty and congress should do their's. [applause] always pridedave myself on the appointments i made and i always made it a point to personally conduct interviews myself, so with regard to judges in new mexico, vacancies that occurred, i think my reputation was that i

appointed good judges. it was based on personal integrity, questions i asked, i would ask the hypothetical. when you administer the death penalty for somebody who committed graffiti that legislature passed the bill, i and it wassigned it, passed, you could give some of the death penalty for graffiti. the guy admits to it and what would you do? a lot of names that, the law is the law, so i would send them to death. and others said, i do not know. the best answer was, if i had that situation, i would have to resign because i would believe that on ethically i could not administer that sentence. best answer. they got the job.

they oftentimes got the appointment. larry: mr. peterson, what kind of justice would you put on the supreme court and with -- should congress hold hearings on obama's nomination. mr. peterson: congress should abide the law. but next year when i am president, let's put -- on the supreme court. [applause] larry: dr. feldman? dr. feldman: i would appoint a nustice with a key mind -- kee mind, and knowledge and respect for the constitution. as far as obama's nomination of the justice, i want to support the congress's right to do nothing, it is the one thing that they do well. [laughter] [applause] larry: mr. mcafee? mr. mcafee: what good can any

judge do if our system of law is broken. there exists in america more readeran an average could read, reading for the four hours a day, seven days a week, for 600 years. why don't we have a budget for laws. and every time you throw one in, you need to throw one out. thousands of years -- does it matter if we have a broken legal system created by congress. jesus could not judge properly. [applause] [laughter] larry: right on cue. i do not know he was in the house. perry? mr. perry: they should hold

hearings and they should vote and they should vote him down because all of the justices that are nominated are horrible. and he would i nominate for a vacancy, there is a great supreme court judge in the state of arizona who is a libertarian, judge bullock. he would stand up for your liberty and i would put on the supreme court as soon as possible. [applause] larry: mr. peterson? ,r. peterson: reportedly some 83% of law professors are democrats, as a libertarian you must think that this has real world consequences, what are they? mr. peterson: i never met a democrat that i liked. the democrats are not the problem, it is the belief in the authority of the federal government. in order for us to have a freer society, it is -- the problem is

not with the two-party system, the problem is that we have black and white thinking. we cannot always blame parties for our problems, the problem is the government. [applause] larry: dr. feldman? if 83% of law professors are democrats, is this a problem? dr. feldman: democrats have oppressors mother i assume that they have some good people. -- oppressors, but i assume that they have good people. i assume that they have been appointed for a reason and just like the democrats and republicans, once we have a libertarian president, we will congress -- that is great, because i always was a libertarian. [applause] larry: mr. mcafee. 83% of all law professors are democrats, so how big of a problem is this?

c. mcafee: i consumed over -- onsued over 200 times, so it is not matter to me. i believe that they are all the left-hand of same. -- satan. my apologies. larry: mr. perry? mr. perry: i am not concerned about how many are democrats, i am concerned about how many of them are horrible statists. it is not the lawyers and the law professors, it is a system that requires us to have so many lawyers. [applause] johnson, 83% of law professors are democrats, so how big of a problem is this? mr. johnson: i think that it is a percent of all professors -- 83% of all professors are democrats and libertarians probably agree with him about

75% of the time. this is the opportunity we have to bring together those opportunity to bring together those democrats along with smaller government. in the road when it comes to economics, but if we can agree on so much, the discussion opens up to how government is oppressive and how we can change and actually accomplish lesser government. [applause] parentdr. feldman, if a chooses not to send their child to school, should the government intervene? dr. feldman: yes, the government should some -- send somebody over to see what a great job they are doing. [applause] larry: mr. mcafee. mr. mcafee: no, sir. larry: mr. perry?

mr. perry: can you repeat the question? larry: if a parent chooses not to send their child to school, should the government intervene? mr. perry: absolutely not. they should not be concerned about where a child is at any time. they cannot be intervening when people decide to let their child go down the street to the playground. [applause] larry: governor johnson? mr. johnson: no, the government should not intervene, but what we should have is encouraging educational entrepreneurs to have a crack at being able to educate that child in a way that would suit the parent. i see incredible opportunity in this country that has gone misse d. i think that education should be at the state level to start with. laboratories of innovation and best practice, but the states

that will show the best practice is when they have competition for public education that would reach out to this kid and perhaps satisfy the parents in a way that they are currently not being addressed at all. [applause] larry: mr. peterson. for too long -- mr. peterson: for too long, public education has been about indoctrination. i believe in homeschooling. i believe we should have a separation of education and state. [applause] mcafee.r. should all drug use be made legal or decriminalized, whether marijuana or hair when? -- her oin? what do you say to the people who think that it is -- it was late and wonder this? -- drug

abuse? mr. mcafee: i have been imprisoned for drug use, that has not stopped me or did not until the age of 38, it cannot stop me from using drugs. nothing will. neither would i use more if it was free. i used as much as my body would tolerate. larry: mr. perry. statutes forread fun and so far i've not read the word -- but i do not think that anybody would say that tomatoes are not illegal. whether it is cannabis or crystal meth, it should be as legal as tomatoes and there should not be regulation on how much you grow, sell, sell to your neighbor, give to your neighbor, wherever it may be, no regulation. everything should be as legal as tomatoes. larry: governor johnson.

mr. johnson: in 1999, i was the highest elected official in the u.s. to call for the legalization of marijuana. [applause] think that is good news. in 2016, i am still the highest elected official to call for the legalization of marijuana, although bernie sanders is advocating such and i think that have to do with his appeal among millennials. when we legalize marijuana, we will take a quantum leap in this country with regard to drug use. if we were to legalize all drugs tomorrow, the world would be a much better place. problems are prohibition related, not use related. that is not to discount the problems with abuse but that should be the focus. [applause] larry: mr. peterson.

drugs areon: dangerous because they are illegal. drug dealers do not check ids. when people take drugs they do not know what they are getting. if we were decriminalizing all drugs, we would be leaving that living in a stable world. you on your body and you should be able to put in what you please provide that you do not harm anybody else. [applause] feldman, should all drug use be made legal or decriminalized? dr. feldman: marijuana should not be legalized like alcohol and tobacco, it should be normalized like caffeine and chocolate. abusese is a medical -- is a medical problem, not a legal problem. we should make cancer illegal,

hypertension illegal and we would have a much better and safer and healthier country. [applause] mr. perry. a follow-up question, do you believe in legalizing all drugs and would you make certain drugs illegal for children? mr. perry: everything should be as legal as tomatoes, people are smart enough not to give heroin to a child unless they are under the supervision of a doctor. people should not go to jail -- i am guessing that you are defining a child the legal way, not the medical way, those are two different things. people are smart enough to not give horrible things to children. we will look at portugal, i am going over time because everybody else has. they decriminalized everything 15 years ago.

drastically.opped in this country people are afraid to get help because if they go to the doctor, the doctor will call the damn cops. [applause] >> doctor, will you make certain drugs illegal for children? will pass to legalize drugs unless it contains a provision that children are not allowed to use it. as a parent -- my message to my i would be naive to think you would not be trying these drugs. the problem with drugs is quality, quantity unknown. it's prohibition. love you.foremost, i if you find yourself in a position of being impaired,

whether it's drugs or alcohol of any kind, call me. upill come and pick you because i love you. that's what we need to tell our kids, that we love them. mr. peterson? the president has no constitutional authority to regulate drugs. i was supportevel legislation that would stop children from being allowed to purchase drugs and prosecute anyone who puts a child in danger. need protection. you should not be able to sell hair went to a five-year-old -- heroin to a five-year-old. we canfeldman, before sell a drug it has to be tested to make sure it's safe and effective. congress has a similar mechanism for laws. any law, theypass test it carefully to see its effect on campaign

contributions. [laughter] parent would endanger their child, there's worse problems in that family than drugs. we need to go to the root of the problem, which generally is only made worse by government. there's a lot of problems and a lot of suffering in the world. adding criminal punishment doesn't help. mr. mcafee, would you make certain drugs illegal for children, please? >> if a child goes out to buy drugs and the parent doesn't know where they are, it's a problem. if a child has money to buy drugs, where did they get it? when a child comes home stoned and you do not notice it, the problem is not with the seller of the drugs, it's with the parents. [applause] governor johnson, the civil

rights act of 1964 and it discrimination in the private sector and the public sector. senator barry goldwater voted against it for libertarian reasons. he did not feel it was the governments job to tell a private business owner what to do. senator al gore senior voted against it because he opposed integration. if you had been in the senate, how would you have voted? i would have voted for it. no elaboration? >> no. >> mr. peterson -- >>. >> repeat the question. of 1964ivil rights act and a discrimination in the public and private sector. senator barry goldwater voted against it, feeling it was in the government's job to tell a private owner what to do. senator al gore senior voted against it because he opposed

racial integration. how would you have voted had you been in the senate? >> you're asking whether or not i would have signed the civil rights legislation in 1964? yes, i would have signed it. peterson, would you have signed the civil rights act of 1964 which ended discrimination in the public or private sector? >> i would have filibustered until we abolished title ii and then we would have gotten rid of .he government discrimination been ineldman, had you the senate in 1964, how would you have voted on the civil rights act? >> i would hope i would look at it carefully, end government discrimination, and when it comes to private discrimination we need to find what would cause more harm, what would cause less harm, and do what makes life that are for people.

that's a very difficult decision . >> mr. mcafee, would you have voted in favor of the 1964 civil rights had you been in the senate? >> as many of you know, my wife is black. years living3 1/2 24 hours a day with her, i can assure you that legislation in no way and it discrimination. what it did is bring to the awareness that discrimination will not end until you open your heart and mind and judgment to a person of another color, another race, another language, another religion. allow me to give everyone a history lesson. the segregation in the south was of because necessarily

racist business owners, it was because of racist legislators telling the business owners they had to segregate the lunch counters. in virginia, it was business owners that help the protesters saying,the statute by come into my business. violate the law. that should have been outlawed. the forced discrimination should have been repealed. that's the only thing the civil rights act should have done. petersen, should someone have to have a government issued license to drive a car? mr. petersen: hell no. like an, a car is gun or anything else.

as long as you're not using it to hurt other people, you should be able to use it. a license and permit is another way to get money and inconvenience people. >> mr. mcafee? i don't think licenses are required. if you're under 16 and your n can drive and you've never driven before, you should at least put a flashing pink light on your car so we can get out your way. >> the government requires licenses for far too many things. the government requires licenses for people to broadcast radio. the government requires licenses to get married. they require a license to drive. what's next, requiring a license to make toast in your own damn toaster? .bsolutely not government has a

basic responsibility to protect us against individuals, groups, corporations, foreign governments that would do us harm trade in that context, the license to drive -- i'd like to see some competency exhibited by people before they drive. [boos] governor of new mexico, i vetoed a whole lot of bills. i vetoed the haircutting license. i vetoed all sorts of licensing. license to drive? have an you could insurance requirements i guess, but then the insurance company would determine -- you have people that are blind to would be on the road that would continue to drive until they hurt somebody. gentlemen, we've come to the end of the question-and-answer portion of the debate. you now have 60 seconds to make

a closing argument. mr. mcafee went first. , you may go first. ry: what i stand before you today to promise is that all the way through those -- the november election, i will act as boldly and consistently as loudly as possible, and proclaimed the ideas of liberty. i want you to help me make you the libertarian party libertarian again. if you want an actual libertarian on the ticket and you want to help the libertarian party actually be libertarian again, not with a watered-down message but an absolute message of freedom on every issue every time, vote for me tomorrow so i walk off of this stage the libertarian party presidential nominee. [applause] >> governor johnson, you have 60

seconds. got to run as a libertarian in 2012, something i was honored to carry that banner. i thought my marching orders were to grow the libertarian party. i think because of your efforts, more than anyone else's, the libertarian party is growing. up your current weekly meeting that is occurring to an treehouse auditorium, because thousands of people are going to want to hear this message and at that meeting you can tell them, johnson is not our best candidate. we are, and make that argument. have an opportunity, and so many of you have worked for so long consistently to provide valid access with your time and your money. and here it is, we are at a threshold here. a real threshold to grow this party and make it better.

at the end of the day, shouldn't we try and make things better? do we get from a to z? no. should we be able to articulate z? absolutely. we if d comes up, shouldn't sign onto anything that makes things better, anything that creates more freedom? thank you. petersen, you have 60 seconds. i have a gift for you all. my home, my party that i've been in the last nine years, tomorrow. i'm prepared to give you a powerful, debt-free campaign with a serious strategy to win the white house in 2016. i offer this to you humbly, with love and affection, as sincere of the expressions of happiness and joy on the faces of my supporters. this is not a campaign about one

man. it's a campaign about a revolution of we the people. >> dr. feldman, u.s. 60 seconds. dr. feldman: some may ask, feldman, is he that libertarian? i am that be what you want to be libertarian that you look good .n tv libertarian the christian atheist in the libertarian. the jefferson libertarian. jew libertarian, no-sex libertarian, mlk junior malcolm x libertarian, the revolutionary, honorable, ron paul libertarian. dale w. perry, no apologies

anarchist libertarian, that gary johnson new mexico success libertarian, that austan petersen freedom ninja in .our face libertarian that no pain, no gain libertarian, get those petitions signed in the ring libertarian. sorryorry i'm not libertarian that can't stand the infringements and abuses here,arian that right right now, no excuses libertarian. i'm that libertarian.

>> mr. mcafee? mr. mcafee: thank you, dr. feldman. so iod up here for 2 hours could speak authentically to you for 1 minute. i believe we are building a skyscraper from the top floor down. to do that, it must be supported by compromise. we are on a train filled with increasing compromise leading to a questionable win. my goal is to derail this train and lay a new set of tracks through the grassroots of this party, and build from the ground up.

i would like to thank judge weiss, the creative talent of vice president candidate, and without him we would not be here. i would not be here, and you would not have the pleasure of seeing his creation, including the arts within our party. tomorrow you have a historic opportunity to make a choice. do you want to ride the train you are on and try to build a skyscraper from the top down, or do you want to apply this in norman's energy where it can actually create something of in a grassroots, the local that canns, everything create a foundation upon which we can build a party that america will see, love, and become part of. thank you. >> lets thank our 2015

libertarian presidential party candidates. mr. mcafee, mr. perry, governor johnson, mr. petersen, dr. feldman, and i went to thank all of you who watched on c-span. thank you for covering this. [applause] >> thank you, libertarians. now sit down.

stand up if you want. can everyone give these candidates another round of applause? [applause] i've been to everyone of these nominating conventions since 2000 and orlando. i have voted for the presidential nomination every time. there's always been a choice. there are always choices we have to make. believe that you see a, you, the delegates of the libertarian party, have the best and

.oughest choices i've ever seen [applause] at the beginning of this thing we passed of those donation cards, and i hope you been filling them out while listening to the awesome answers in this debate great if you haven't, you can start filling them out now. and i'm going to auction off a piece of history. on this stage to my right is an area sign, and on that sign the signatures of every one of the candidates on this stage. there's only one of these in the .orld if you would like to own a piece of history, a unique piece of history to mark the turning of the libertarian party into a new era, it will be available tonight and there is a maximum price.

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$1500 right there. $2000 in the front row. $3000. $4000. $5,500. this man really wants it. $6,000 to my left. anyone else? i know there are people who can out-bid him. you don't want them to go home happy, do you? do i hear the many more than 6000? there's only one of these.

going once. going twice. sold to the gentleman to my left for $6,000. give him a round of applause. thank you all. thank you on c-span, everyone who watched this debate. thank you, everyone. thank you for making this possible. this is our time. this is the libertarian party's time. fill out your cards and put them in the back. thank you and we will see you tomorrow, bright and early for business.

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