because of televised proceedings. >> the proceedings of the united states senate are being broadcast to the nation on television for the first time. is not that we have operated in secret until now. millions of americans have sat in the galleries and observed senate debate during their visits to washington, but today, they can witness the proceedings in their own homes. effect, the senate floor has been a kind of a stage. the senators have been acting on that stage. ,he audiences in the galleries and by our action today, we have not really fundamentally altered that situation. we have simply enlarge the galleries. we have pushed out the walls to include all of the american people who wish to watch. years of: mm rating 30 coverage of the u.s. senate on c-span2.

announcer: up next, a look at three potential vice president candidates. we will begin with former house speaker newt gingrich. he interviewed him on donald trump's candidacy, the state of the republican party, and whether he would be a vice president if asked. after that, a look at potential vice presidential candidates for hillary clinton. elizabeth warren talked about her career and establishing a protection bureau. then, at a democratic fundraiser earlier this year. with the to speed washington post political reporter. host: joining us from the newsroom is chris cillizza, the founder of the fix and a political writer very thank you for being here with us on c-span. chris: thank you. host: as we look at the nominees, let me begin with five

candidates that you say donald trump would never select as his running mate's. who are they? your: ted cruz i think is best. the gun finished second to donald trump in this race, someone who is clinical in the way donald trump says he wants his pick to be but someone who is young. ted cruz is in his 40's, and also very interested in lynching -- hitching his wagon. ted cruz will be a front runner in 2020 as he looks to run for president, so probably not worth the risk for a ted cruz. i put marco rubio in that same category, another senator,

though unlike retiree. someone who has a bright, political future who i think to themselves some good in his 2016 campaign and who is not, i think, going to hook himself to donald trump out of the fear that donald trump is fundamentally unpredictable. that is what makes him appealing to many people, but unpredictable in a way that could really jeopardize your future if you were one of the candidates sharing a ticket with him. host: and one name mentioned most often and number one at washington post.com is former house speaker newt gingrich. chris: there is a story from a reporter at the national review. she wrote about the increasingly close relationship between gingrich and trump. what does he bring to the ticket? someone who knows the ways of washington, without question. someone who was speaker of the house. but he has also maintained sort

of an outsider status that trop finds appealing. bringshe other thing he honestly, and donald trump needs this more than anything, is an in depth knowledge of policy. knowledge ofo his policy is extremely limited. obviously, he would come up in that knowledge as president of the united states, but newt gingrich has a big brain. some would say his ideas are wrongheaded, but he has been around public policy discussions for a long time and someone, by the way, who is not uncomfortable with the limelight. newt gingrich, despite not being speaker for more than a decade has remained very, very active in conservative republican circles. and he has run for president before, and it is someone interested in the job. think alwaysssue i when you are talking about trop. that is why i made the who would not take it list first. because i think there are a

number of people who have to think very, very hard about taking the vice presidential five. almost any other candidates, they would. trump poses a unique set of risks and challenges for someone who is looking to take on that job that a hillary clinton or a ted cruz, frankly, as the nominee would not present. ast: and finally, do you have sense about how donald trump would go about the process of finding a running mate? have done the process of ben carson, whose name has sometimes been mentioned. leading the vice presidential search process. here is what we know. everything we have learned about donald trump is he is really his best and only advisor and sort of does what he is the right thing. hisoup of things, and campaign manager will be involved, and the lead strategist of the campaign will

be involved, and they will come up with a small group of people and that those people, and then trump will pick one of those or pick one of his own. a blueprint, and ultimately what donald trump decides is what gets done in that campaign, so we are going to add a lot of time handicapping whom he might pick when he has more potential to go off the beaten path to pick someone than anyone in modern history. horse, we will follow your list online at washington post.com. , thank you for being with us, and now, newt gingrich. gingrich, finish this. the state of republican party in 2016 is what? mr. gingrich: exciting and dynamic. well, you have a brand-new candidate, the kind we have not seen before. you have thousands of people coming into the party.

thousands ofe were democrats voting in the primary. you have a debate about policy in a way that i think is very healthy. you have the most state legislators in the history of the republican party going back to 1954, more than any before, and it is a robust party in a time of the enormous change. it will have a lot of stresses and strains, but i suspect the republican convention will actually be better and easier than the democratic convention this year. host: why do you think so many people looking at this race a year ago, very few, if any one, picked donald trump? gingrich: i have no donald trump for years, and it would not have occurred to me to predict that donald trump would win. i think he has exhibited a level of scale, a level of understanding of the american

that were both unknowable when he started running. i think he has also changed some of the game. he is the first candidate who really understands the sort of kardashian model of social media where you can tweet, you can facebook, you can instagram, you can do so many different things that are very inexpensive and yet very effective, and i think he is up to about 8 million people on facebook following him. he communicates with them for free. it is very different from the model of just a year ago, where you look at what jeb bush did, go out and raise $100 million and buy as and have a big haystack. it requires a guy who is uniquely self-confident and willing to align himself. but you man for president print you know what it is like. mitt romney, john mccain, some

of the things that got him in trouble, at least up till now, do not get donald trump in trouble. why? is gingrich: the country more afraid, angrier, more worried about both economy and about national security in terms and iamic supremacist, think as a result, the vast majority of republicans -- it is not true of democrats, but the vast majority of republicans have concluded that you need somebody who is going to kick tor the table, determined change how washington operates, and what they concluded actually started with the very first debate fox hosted, which was the first time i really leaned forward. i have known donald a long time. i knew he was going to run. we talked about it as early as january of last year, but that debate, later on that night, you had all of the elites, and you

had twitter and google and facebook saying he had one. and i thought, wow. something is happening out there, and we are still the country where the average voter in the end is at least as important as the average tv analyst, because they both get ie vote, and at that point began to realize that trop was onto something that none of the rest of us understood. trump was onat to something that none of the rest of us was. posts: i want you to drill down on this. what we experience with the american revolution that followed is not a typical of what we are seeing of donald trump on the republican side and senator sanders on the democratic side. mr. gingrich: i think that is right. got is ahat you have country where if you combine these sanders and the trump

at aroundare probably 70% of the country, which are fed up. when the americans decided to we had to do the first american and had to do the biography of washington as a movie. what happened was gradually over about a 10-your period, we came to the conclusion that london no longer cared about them, and then they came to the conclusion that london, in fact, was arrogant and was determined to impose its will on them, and you have this conference -- constant reference that. washington talks about we are either going to be on our knees in submission, or we are going to stand and fight for independence. is i think what you see now people look at the total mishandling of the financial , and they look at the air against of the washington

bureaucracy. they look at the radicalism of many of the judges now. win look at the failure to a war after 14 years of fighting and sacrificing, almost 15 years, and all of those pieces come together, and they just say, you know, it is time for a profound change. when i looked into it a few years back to write a paper, the number two demand after no taxation without representation was british judges. asy saw the judges instruments of the state. they saw them as imposing a radical view on the american. that is why they were so strong about trial by jury, because in their model, the jury could set aside the judges decision, much bolder than what we have, and they really saw themselves standing up for their rights as a free people against what they saw as a tyranny. i think you have that now on the right and the left with a real disgust with the current is average.

is ourf donald trump next president, how do you think he would be as a decision-maker? mr. gingrich: fast. this is a guy who has made a lot of money making decisions, and when he is wrong, he changes them, and he is also constantly learning. i think he would hire good people. he has had a long track record. you cannot run a system the size system without hiring people like crazy. he has hotels, golf courses, restaurants, real estate, the number one tv show, miss universe, and you cannot juggle all of those by just being smart. you have to have some system by which you delegate, and i think he would try to recruit, and he said this himself in one of the debates, he would try to recruit very energetic people for cabinets and officers, and he would give them assignments of

their dramatic change. issuesut if you look at like the second amendment and guns, taxes, and the wall, he has shifted his views on these fundamental topics. is this a problem? mr. gingrich: i think it is a little bit of a problem, and he is having to deal with it. year, a16 last businessman who shot his mouth off and had opinions like rich people do. he became aden, candidate for president, so he inhaving to learn in public real time, and it is a tough league. it is a much tougher league than people think it is, and i think he is learning some things that sort of i think cause him to slow down and think a little bit more. he is better today than he was six months ago. he will be better in three or four months then he is today, because he does learn constantly. he is not just a loud and

bombastic person. he is a thoughtful guy, but he is awful in sort of a profound and strategic level. he is going to find some here and there. he will start out every year as a negotiating position and then fall back to here, but the general direction is going to be very clear, and the general directions i think are going to involve very profound change. ago, contract with america. that was basically your mantra if you gained control of the house. should the republican party have that in 2016 or some variation? gingrich: yes. you would not call it a contract with america, but they need a simple document, not on a giant, 3000-page platform. findneed by september to 10 things that they can agree on that they will do in the first 90 days or the first 100 days if they are elected, and they need to bring the house and the

senate and the presidential candidates, and i think by september, most republicans will be very happy to be on the same ticket, and most republicans will be happy to pick really big, decisive changes. host: why do you think speaker ryan has been so hesitant to endorse donald trump? mr. gingrich: i think everyone thought they had days to finish the process, and ted cruz, wisely in my judgment, decided to drop out after indiana, and instead of 60 days, they are confronted with the concept that trump was the nominee. he was not ready for that so fast. and they spent may developing a set of issues so that he could negotiate with clarity. they have their differences on some things, but it is really i think --, and well, i know, as a matter of fact, they have half from both and theyking together, are putting stuff together, and

i think it will work out. better to go slower and make sure by the time you get to an agreement that it israel than , paper it over, have a brief, happy press conference, and find out you have nine fights coming. post: how is the speaker doing? mr. gingrich: they have worked at it. they have gained control of the system, and i think that both of them are going to turn out to be very effective leaders. host: since tip o'neill voluntarily stepped down, some have been forced out of office, lost reelection, or decided not to recede the leadership. why is it so different than it is that it was 20 or 30 years ago, that job, the job of beaker? mr. gingrich: well, there are different things. hastert left because he lost the majority.

pelosi is still there but lost the majority. majoritywice lost the in 1946 and in 1952, so those things happen. i think in the case of john boehner, i think he was just generally worn out. he was caught between an obama who had contempt for the republicans and a hard-core group of republicans who were growing in strength who were forous at their leadership not figuring out a strategy to stop obama, and i think you finally decide -- and we were on the dayehners that the pope came, and mrs. is justned and said, it really, really hard, and you could tell how tired she was. that was sort of the high point of john's life. it was not going to get any better than having pope francis there, and i think at that

point, they decided that it was better to leave. in my case, i lost seats in -- inelection when people an election when people thought we should gain them. victory, of providing a very aggressive, very tough so let's hang out with newt even if he did not when, and we kept control in the cycle, and then keeping it for the longest time of any republican speaker in history, a party that had not been in power for 40 years. go and renew my thinking and energy level. do not have to deal with me for a while. host: why? what do you mean by that? mr. gingrich: i was very tough. i force people to get things done.

you do not balance the budget and reform medicare and the fda and reform the federal comedic and strengthen the intelligence community against the president. not do all of those things without having a fair number of people that are bruised up, and after a while, you have more bruises than smiles. host: donald trump's running mate. what will you be doing the second week of july? well, i may well be in cleveland as a commentator for fox. have ano idea, but i unusual name, and it is a name that has been around for a while, so people know that if they write newt gingrich and puppy dogs, they will get a certain number of readership just by definition, so there are a lot of good candidates for president. this is the first really big

decision trump will make as a nominee. in the end, donald trump is going to decide, and i have no idea what he is going to did live. : but you have said he will listen carefully. first of all, have you had a mr. gingrich: we have had no conversations about the vice president. we just finished our ninth documentary. america asng god in a book, a walking tour of washington. she has her ellis the elephant book coming out called hail to about the presidents for four to eight-year-olds, and i have my second on terrorism, we are busy. it is not like we are hanging out, hoping someone will give us a job.

want to beviously respectful and sit down and talk it through. it was a position in trump a mind, you -- trump's get to go to lots of funerals, then probably we will pass. host: you mentioned dick cheney. who has redefined the job of vice president? .r. gingrich: i think cheney at least for the first term, he was a normatively strong and was involved in just about everything. he played a larger role. they gave him, for example, space as a portfolio. he did some pretty good things in driving the kennedy program, the space center for houston and a few other things. bushld say that george h w

played a significant role. i think reagan did, including on a regular basis. i think al gore played a significant role if you go back and look. there was a very good chemistry , which,gore and clinton unfortunately, for gore, it did not come through, where i think clinton could have won the race. and i do not have quite a sense he does seem, but to be an intimate of the present. president defined vice president, not vice versa. if you have a president who want a colleague and want somebody to do real things, then they can do that, and there is a great new book out about nixon and eisenhower which ethnic is called "the statesman and the apprentice." very flattering about the interactions with next and. nixon is the first modern vice

president. host: if you were to have a conversation with donald trump, what would you ask him? what does he have in mind, and what role would you define? mr. gingrich: modernizing american government. we are 20 or 30 years behind our capabilities. it is going to require a very since tangible amount of effort to get us back on track. host: would it be a fun job for you? every job has been a fun job. i am like a or-year-old when i wake up in no that there is a cookies where, and my job is to find it. i am always happy and doing fun jobs. posts: have you always had a curious side? mr. gingrich: i guess. as far back as i can remember, i had a curious side.

host: why does hillary want to be president? gingrich: she got a sense of trying to help the country on her terms. she probably thinks that she is far and away the best given all of the things she has done in her life. she has been in the room for eight years with bill. she has been a u.s. senator. she has been secretary of state. she is a very bright, hard-working woman. i think all of that kind of fits together. you know, she talked a lot about her husband and the eight years he was in the white house, and you worked with him, balancing the budget. if you were on the ticket, does that take away one of the issues she may talk about on the campaign? mr. gingrich: i do not know. she will have her version of reality, and we will have hours. host: