work on as americans as a whole. these things like this have been going on for centuries. we need to sit down and come up with a plan to keep these things from happening. and if we just generalize everything and say this is an american thing and a lot of people are losing lives, if we don't do some thing about the situation, this will continue. and i mean, people like myself i , will make this really quick, i am in a situation where you have people in charge, and they will not do anything about it. we need to come together as a whole with a plan so we can stop this from happening again. just, it is i am touching me because i lost individuals in this. i don't know them personally,

but my job, family members have been involved in the shooting. my condolences go out to them. we need to come out with a plan and vote as well. host: ok. we hear you this morning. our next caller is kristin on the independent line. -- republican line. caller: good morning. i want to know if we treat isis like a criminal gang and use some of the tools that you use. ,ut i mean, the orlando shooter he was not a dedicated muslim, he did not seem to be. and when you put it in perspective, in chicago they are talking about the gangs and killings, maybe 50 people a week or something like that. , i wonder if we should treat them like a criminal gang. thank you.

guest: i think there is a big difference with islamism. and i think that when we talk look atese, we need to the importance of that. in the u.s. context, we do take a criminal approach. the fbi uses legal statutes, whether it is communicating a threat, they use these informants in all different cases. whether it is political corruption, or any number of bank robberies, things like that. they are taking a criminal approach to it. we need to step back and realize there is other dynamics in play. it is not happening in a vacuum. the things that happen in syria and iraq affect us. and the ideology that is pervasive in this influences people in a way that they would not be influenced otherwise. host: here is a question from twitter. what is the proof that someone

from the u.s. is a member of isis? how do we know? guest: we did a report on isis in america in december. we looked at 7000 documents. isis is a spectrum. it runs the gamut. on one side, you have the 17-year-old who is tweeting about isis. on the other side, you have a guy from st. louis, who gets u.s. citizenship, 11 days later goes to syria and becomes a commander, running of battalion of foreign fighters. that is also isis in america. theu.s. tends to be more on 17-18-year-old crew than the old school. host: in terms of legality and the level of investigation into the threats, how do you measure it?

guest: it is difficult. they tend to use materials for terrorism cases. host: what does that mean? guest: it is a very broad statue. it is providing personnel to terrorists groups. it is a very broad statue. the state department designates group. if you decide you want to get on a plane to go to turkey, and you want to cross the border and join isis. you are providing goods and services. that is material support for terrorism. in terms of st. louis, if you gave $700 and a sniper to someone in syria, that is material support. it is a really brought statue. host: tweeting in your parents basement might not be material support? guest: no, but you see committee acts across state lines. so there was somebody in

acrossi who repeated state lines, and she was charged for that. host: next caller is pat on the independent line. go ahead. caller: hello. i'm calling to comment that i'm tired of hearing about the lone wolves. i blame the government in control right now in the night -- united states. back in 2002, they found schools in the united states that were teaching hate. they were islamic schools and funded by, i think it was saudi arabia. but since then, we cannot monitor all of the schools because that is profiling. you cut the fbi, the cia, our troops. and these people are fanatics.

you cannot reason with a fanatic. host: seamus hughes? guest: in the u.s. context, we see that most in the u.s. do not radicalize. and i also want to look at the idea of lone wolves. we peel back the onion, and the vast majority of these cases, they were connected through friends and family. while online radicalization is important, and no doubt plays a role, the offline relationships matter. then, the mood music. does the islamic ideology cross into a violence? we have seen the vast majority of individuals do not make that cross. but when you take a step back and you look at european countries, you have the ability to meet radical groups relatively easily, and figure out how to get to syria and iraq, but in the u.s. it is more

difficult. host: next is kevin calling on the independent line. you are on the air. caller: how are we doing? host: good. caller: i have a question. it is a pretty simple question. what is the difference between a patriot, who believes in the second amendment, which is there to protect us from itinerary nickel government -- tyrannical government and of lone wolf and domestic terrorists? what is the difference between that, in your eyes? i see that a lot of people need to look up executive order 13 603. when you open the borders and there is an election like this, what happens if president obama calls martial law? host: ok, that was kevin from new hampshire. guest: i'm not sure the president is going to call martial law in his final months. the question becomes is it

individual domestic terrorist or not tied to an ideology duckling -- ideology, because you will have a number of cases where people wrap themselves around an ideology. they do that to make it bigger than themselves. and what we look at is are they , trying to advance a political objective and in that case we are looking at terrorism or extremist. host: what is the definition of homegrown terrorist? guest: the fbi definition is very broad. it involves isis inspired terrorism or the far right. are you trying to advance a political ideology through violence? then that would fall into the spectrum. host: the next caller is on the democratic line. good morning tony. ,caller: good morning. my question is for mr. hughes. on the see something, say something policy, there was a teacher down in texas.

boysaw a young, muslim mohammed, who had something that , looked like a bomb. she reported it to the authorities. he got invited to the white house. she got death threats. host: -- guest: that is a difficult balancing act to see something, say something. you would hope that we would be able to train people to understand the differences between clocks and bombs, although it is going to be a balancing act. and you will see, you know, i or on the side err of safety, but the question becomes -- when you do that? host: see something, say something is a catchy phrase, but what are the some things that people should be looking for? guest: for isis cases, what we have seen in the past is

individuals who are isolating themselves, communicating online with terrorists, watching concerning videos. all of that is covered under the first amendment, and protected speech. but as far as family members, they do have intuition and they might see something concerning. host: the next caller is john on the democratic line. good morning to you. caller: good morning. host: you are on the air. go ahead. redefinee need to terrorism. you have got countries we support. netanyahu kills 500 people, children and we give them a standing ovation. you have governors which are not going to take medicaid expansion, which causes the needless deaths of people.

they need to be arrested and sent to gitmo, as far as i'm concerned. and it is against the law to support a country that violates the human rights of palestinians, yet we send them thousands of dollars every day. we have saudi arabia, which is bombing and killing civilians. we support them. we have turkey, we support them, who bomb the kurds who are , allies. usn is more of an allied to than any of those countries. host: seamus hughes? guest: i think i would disagree with some of the assessments, but i would say, you are going to have a number, have to make a number of deals with individuals you may not agree with 100%, and that is the nature of diplomacy. if you agree with him 100%, they would probably be not particularly useful for you in

this context. host: the final caller comes from california, madalyn. go ahead. caller: good morning. i'm a republican and very much against guns. people who kill are motivated by different extreme groups. as we sadly experienced with timothy mcveigh, he was inspired by the nazis. those who killed the abortion doctors are motivated by the pro life movement. or omar mateen, who was harboring hate for the gay people. they are all inspired by something radical. the only solution, the only solution there is is to ban guns, as so many civilized nations have done around the world. which has dramatically reduced their homicides. our forefathers allowed people to have guns to protect themselves from british invasion. there was no massive military to protect the people of those days. and my final point is there is

reason to have a gun. the ability to have a gun for entertainment or to protect ourselves are not justifiable when compared with how many or injuredare killed by a shooter, who uses the element of surprise. i'm a republican who believes in the government's responsibility to protect people from other people. by allowing people to have guns that serve no purpose other than to kill, the government is failing me. host: that was madalyn from california. final thoughts? guest: i would, i will not touch the gun control issue. in terms of isis inspired terrorism, the gun issue is a part of that. we actually see about half of the cases individuals are , interested in traveling to join a foreign terrorism organization.

the question on guns and foreign plotting goes away and we have this question of what do you do with these individuals who are drawn to a foreign terrorist organization? again there have been 88 , individuals arrested in the last two years. it is unprecedented for the u.s., but pales in comparison to other countries. it is something that we need to wrap our heads around. host: that is seamus hughes, the deputy program director from the program on extremism at george washington university. also, the former policy staffer at the counterterrorism center. thank you so much for joining us. >> in response to the orlando shooting, the senate on monday will hold several procedural votes on gun related amendments, including making background checks mandatory at gun shows, and delaying the purchase of a firearm for those who appear on the no-fly list. we spoke with a capitol hill reported. -- reporter.

>> listen on monday will be voting on for gun amendments. we are here with the legal affairs staffer. this week, murphy from connecticut spoke for nearly 15 hours on gun legislation. what role did that play and getting centiliters to settle -- senate leaders to vote on monday? >> they were here all day, looking at how to proceed. it may not have stopped anything from happening, the it did -- but it did force the issue into the public and many people were talking about it. he went as far to be the nine longest -- 9th longest filibuster. late at night, rather early in the morning, after 15 hours they announced there was a deal for

two amendments on gun control. onand you are ready measures justice spending, you read about votes.or procedural two of those are on background checks. his amendment and an amendment by the senator of iowa, syntel is the difference between the 2 -- so tell us the difference between the two of them? >> murphy is trying to get something bigger done, he has been a big proponent on this. this would close the gun show loophole, where people can go to a gun show and purchase one gun from a seller that is not authorized, and there is no background check. visit a terrorist groups have been telling people that on how to get a weapon. so they are advocating for background checks for all gun

purchases. and you have the other amendment that will be going at the same time, and that one is about notifying the fbi or department of justice is somebody that has been -- if somebody that has been the target of an investigation for the past years, tries to buy a gun. >> the other one coming up, they deal with those on the fbi watchlist. and the term groundhog's day was used a couple of times, because these measures came up before. >> yes, they came up after the san bernardino shootings that left more than a dozen dead. there was outrage on capitol hill at that time, and feinstein in california pushed the amendment and it was defeated. it only got 45 votes and it needed 60. and senator cornyn offered his

amendment, but it was opposed at a time because they said it would not stop terrorists from getting weapons. that only got 45 votes. so these are different versions, new versions of amendments, but they are along the same lines and that is why people are saying groundhog day, because changeote totals might to get over the vessel. >> the president going to thursday to meet with families and victims in orlando. you tweeted about this, saying that the justice department backs the provisions, so what find, inadministration terms of problems, with the two measures? >> the administration finds the same problem that the democrats on the hill find, they do not think it will solve the problem, it might actually make it harder to do this kind of legislation in the future that might be

effective. the justice department said that they backed the amendment in part, because she filed a revised mma, late this week, that revised language on the justice department being able to come up with provisions to make sure that somebody who is trying to buy a gun, is -- they will be tipped off, if the justice department is doing an investigation. so, she has more language in that she is trying to add, to gain some more republicans to her side. >> these will come up on monday afternoon for voting. they all need 60 for these measures to advance. you kind of mentioned earlier, but what is the likelihood that they will get the required 60? >> we do not know. senator murphy expressed he was

optimistic about the loophole and preventing people who are on the terrorist watch lists from purchasing firearms. he expressed optimism, but there does not seem to be anything that really has enough support from the other set. and republicans have paired of each amendment with their own version, which then, this is a signal that they are prepared to back the republican version, and as people have said, it would be a groundhog day kind of vote. >> and looking at a possible plan from senator collins, what are the plans if these measures fail? >> so far, they say that they are focused on passing these two measures, getting them into this any bill -- into the spending bill on the floor. after that, they want to push the issue of the bill on the

floor, and the other amendment that have been filed that are related to gun control, so they might be able to push for one of those. >> thank you. the legal affairs correspondent, you can follow his reporting online, and also on twitter. thank you. >> thank you. >> in his weekly address, the president talks about his recent visit with survivors and families of victims in the orlando mass shooting. he also talks about father's day. representative cathy mcmorris rodgers of washington as the republican response, and she talks about the agenda being rolled out by house republicans. president obama: it has been less than a week since the deadliest mass shooting in our history. foremost in our minds is the grief of those in orlando, especially those who are

lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. i visited with many of the families of the victims and one thing i told him, you are not alone. people all over the world are standing with them and we always will. the investigation is ongoing, but we know that the killer was an angry and disturbed individual, who took extremists information from over the internet and became radicalized. during the killing spree, he pledged allegiance to isis, a group that has called on people from around the world to attack civilians. we will keep doing everything in our power to stop these kinds of attacks and ultimately destroyed isil. the extraordinary people in our law enforcement communities and military have already prevented attacks in my saved many lives, and we will not let up. alongside the stories of bravery and healing, we have also seen a focus on reducing gun violence.

being tough on terrorism requires more than talk. being tough on terrorism, particularly the homegrown terrorism we have seen, means making it harder for people who want to kill americans to get their hands on assault weapons that are capable of killing dozens of innocence as quickly as possible. that is something i will continue to talk about in the weeks ahead. it is also part of something i have been thinking about this week, that is the response abilities we have to each other. it is true with father's day apartments. -- upon us. i grew up without my father around, but i wonder what it would be like if he was a greater presence. i also try to be a good dad for my own daughters. i worry about their safety all the time. especially when we see preventable violence in places that are sons and daughters go everyday, schools, houses of

worship, movie theaters, nightclubs -- as they get older -- it is incomprehensible that we allow weapons in these places. and even after we see these parents grieve for their children, the fact that we as a country do nothing to prevent the next heartbreak makes no sense. so this past week, i have thought about dad's and moms who need to explain to their children what happened in orlando. time and again, we have observed silence for those victims of gun violence and terror, too often those moments are followed by month of silence, that is inexcusable. if we are going to raise our kids in a safer, more loving world, we need to speak up. we need our kids to hear us speak of about the risks that this poses to our communities.

and against a status quo that does not make sense. they need to hear us here these -- say these things, even when those against us are powerful. kids need to hear why tolerance and equality matter. understandingr will better the future that they will inherit. we need the kids to hear our words and see us live our own lives with love. and we cannot forget to remind our kids of the role models whose light shines through in moments of dr. -- moments of darkness, the police officer's, the blood donors, those who convert mourners and visit the window. the victims is last acts -- whose last acts helped others to safety. they are not just role models, they are examples for all of us. realizeparent is to

that not everything is in our control, but we should remember that there is one responsibility that is always in our power to fulfill. the obligation to give our children love and support, to show them the difference between right and wrong, to teach them to love, and to appreciate our differences not as something to fear, but a great gift to cherish. to me, fatherhood means being there. in the days ahead, let's be there for each other. for our families, and for those who are hurting. let's come together in our communities and as a country. and let's never forget how much good we can achieve simply by loving one another. happy father's day to all of the dads and have a great weekend. cathy mcmorris rodgers: we were all saddened by the tragedy in orlando. it was heartbreaking. a reminder that at the end of the day, no matter your background, we are all

americans. even as we grieve as a nation, we must remain vigilant to protect the promise of america. a promise that everybody here should have the confidence to live free, knowing that they are safe in their own communities, so they can pursue their own dreams. because in america, we trust people to make the best decisions for themselves, not a government that decides for you. but today, we are on edge as isis makes the world more dangerous. seniors are worried about retirement. and students worry about good jobs to pay back their debt. many families cannot understand washington, d.c. and the one size fits all regulations and arbitrary rules. we are anxious, because our voices are not heard in congress. there is a better way to restore representative government and uphold the constitution. that is what we rolled out this

week. our goal is to reconfirm that the government by the people, speaking through representatives, is the best way to keep us free and safe, protect our liberties, and make sure that the promise of america exists for the next generation. over time, presidents legislate by executive order. courts make laws from the bench, and congress needs power to supply the lawmaking process. but congress is the seed of representative democracy, it is here that we, the people, should make decisions about the laws that will governance. not in the labor department, this is not a republican or democrat issue, this is an american issue. it touches the core of who we are. let's use the power of the purse to make the government more accountable to people, so the irs cannot target free speech.

let's do our job of reviewing, rethinking, and possibly eliminating programs that are running on autopilot without oversight. so that the hospitals are operated like cleveland clinic. let's hold the bureaucrats responsible for with the scientists creating that's working to cure cancer in a lab. a government that operates more like uber and amazon and less like the dmv. most importantly, let us give 19the a voice, so that a century institution consulting 21st century problem. having a voice in congress is not just one part of our agenda, it is the most important part. and less people are back in the

helpr seat, we will not are most vulnerable. because only we the people know the way to achieve our dreams, not the government. that is why freedom is so important. to make certain that the promise of america is never broken. i hope you learn more about our plan to restore representative government. next on c-span, the communicators looks a recent court ruling regulating the internet. then, general daniel allen talks about army readiness and modernization efforts. the radio and television correspondents association has its annual dinner in washington, d.c. brian some of the washington