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thek you for joining us on sunday. have a great rest of your weekend. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> newsmakers is next with a look at the 2016 presidential race. that is part -- that is followed by a portion of christopher murphy leading a gun debate on the house floor. and also a look at how to respond when caught in an active shooter situation. host: two republican party activists and critics of donald 2016,discuss campaign , spokesperson for courageous conservatives, and

, a ted cruzlaats supporter during the iowa caucuses. here in the studio, stephen ,inan and steven shepard campaign editor with politico. we -- >> for an anybody an trump movement, you are advisor to this movement according to news reports. what can you tell us about the movement, how extensive visit, and is the long-term goal to deny donald trump the nomination? isthe goal of this movement to organize the people around this country who are happy with what donald trump is doing. i wake up looking for a reason to support donald trump is our republican nominee, and i have yet to find one. donald trump has been reaching out to bernie sanders voters and

supporters. this is an efforts not to deny donald trump, but to empower republican delegates to do their job. they have a moral obligation to nominate a candidate who is best suited to defeat hillary clinton and support and advance the conservative party platform. the republican party is heading toward a cloud placement -- toward a cataclysmic defeat. ,f we open up the convention what we are striving to do, and done on trump has to prove himself he is the leader he says he is and be able to galvanize that convention. donald trump should be saying i am a leader, i have a vision for the republican party. open it up, i will prove myself.

>> the party uses these four nights to advertise. if there are some caps on the , it is thatloor really good for republicans at the presidential level and down the ticketing? >> what would be destructive for is theublican party convention were delegates go there, they nominate a candidate they don't believe in. makee other hand i can i -- on the other hand a dynamic convention where the candidates have to step up to the platform, explain what they're going to do to unify the republican party, it would be compelling and dynamic. i believe we cannot afford to go through the anointment of donald trump. i don't know what his principles are.

>> let me follow up with what steve is saying. you need to know i have never been there, never was there. donald trump and i have been friends for the last six years. have been willing to stand up and hold them accountable. accountable to the point where cleveland says everything should be on the table. it will make him a better candidate. if he is the nominee going against hillary clinton, i think it will make him a better leader. in regards to what is good and not good for the republican party, this has been a very unusual campaign. take a look at the speaker of the house, paul ryan. statements with mitch

mcconnell. over theappening all republican party. i wake up and think there are ways i can support donald trump. if we come out of cleveland and thise is our nominee and is a better opportunity than hillary clinton, that may unify way quicker than just saying white everything under the rug. >> i guess this is a question for both of you. essentially what you are talki about is what is what primary season was. that was a chance to deal with voters directly and convince them. at this point, after five months -ing, what does he

do differently to convince you? nomination was out the -- out the sorts of questions. >> this has been a very atypical primary. very unusual at best with a lot of nuances to it. the reason donald trump is called the presumptive nominee in the way hillary clinton is a presumptive nominee if they have to be weight -- they have to wait to be confirmed by the delegates. a lot of republicans are showing cause for pause with mr. trump. you are right, the rules of the game are set out before anyone of these people became a candidate.

you are going to be the nominee or at least the presumptive nominee. i think mr. trump has a big meeting on june 21 in new york with faith leaders. you ask what he can do, i would say we can trust him -- i would who is we trust him and he going to surround himself with? who is going to be his cabinet members, what type of supreme court justices will hear point? when he said i'm going to go orh the heritage foundation the society for supreme court picks, we thought that was a good step. vp that you guys can get excited about. >> a follow-up on the specific

steps, is there something donald trump can do? something he could do to get you to support him ahead of time? there? >>he specifics he could articulate a message consistent with the republican party platform and explain how he is going to reestablish the constitution of the united states. and economic policies that will create true economic growth. donald trump has been remarkably inconsistent on where his principles are. two weeks ago on another stay since show, the congressman from long island, i had to watch him agonizingly try to defend his attack on the judge for being mexican.

could notmp said he trust the system to give him a fair shake. system cann judicial agree that every fabric of our society, it gives us the rule of law -- donald trump a couple of weeks ago did not trust the government. he wanted to have the nra change their position on the terrorist watch list. suddenly he trusts the government to lose their constitutional rights without process. government,ts the does he not trust the government. this coming from a guy who says if he commands the chief of staff to torture people, he will do it. there is remarkable consistency with donald trump illustrating to us what his conservative principles are. if donald trump becomes party set the movement

back several generations. >> talking about some of his values, do you think donald trump share some of your values? >> i think that is where the question lies, with a lot of people. when you are communicating in a sometimes it's hard to pick. i think just sweep that trust under the rug and to act like it doesn't exist, it needs to be out in the open. i think it will make donald trump a better candidate, a better president. comments he has made on different issues or on different levels is what gives conservatives like myself a cause for pause.

which gives you most pause? >> planned parenthood does good things. god's design of marriage in the family, between one man and one woman, our hearts go out to the victims in orlando. it was a gut punch to all of us. it was an attack not just on the lgbt community but anyone who embraces freedom. to respond by saying i will be a better champion for lgbt than hillary clinton, we want to know what does that mean? steve mentioned the second amendment a little bit earlier. there are a lot of things i think he can do and it will be

in his communication come in the way he handles himself. sincerely, i want the best for donald trump. i want the best for him. but that has to be donald trump -- taking thatt baton. >> one of the things i hear from a lot of voters is the question how big the reticence to trump actually is. questionsa lot of even among his own supporters. i'm wondering how big the trump reticence movement actually is. is --is a sense that it that pond in's and journalists from washington are overplaying what that is. thanis anything different the conservatives reluctance, the conservatives who sat on their hands in 1996 for abdul?

is this different or the same as that? >> i think that was for me. >> the question is not so much the strategy but how broad is the actual worry about trump among republican voters? >> it is literally getting bigger by the hour. i'm not exaggerating when i tell you i'm being contacted from people around the country. this has never happened before. writing a textbook on how to save the republican party at the convention, never happened in the history of the republican party. with social media you are seeing --e and more people yesterday it was the governor of tennessee. a few days ago it was the governor of maryland.

not just people on the withroots, it is people key leadership positions saying i can't support donald trump. is, onelem you have thing i know having been a grassroots organizer for many years, is establishment republican leaders do not like the grassroots. what you are seeing is an organic grassroots organizing that everyday continues to get bigger. of the big questions about this is we just went through a primary process with trump winning fairly handily. he won even before hillary clinton got the democratic nomination. therere a candidate out that you could even call -- the federal alternative

after we went through a process were 45% of voters would vote for john mccain, they are going to be told that doesn't work in this case? >> the process is not finished yet. the process includes going through the system, going through the convention. donald trump is not doing that. he is losing support every single day. at this point it is great. things may have to change now. it is the responsibility of the to nominate a candidate who will the hillary clinton and carry the conservative principles. >> before you get two names of

candidates who'll will replace donald trump at the convention, the grassroots and the conservatives were not all that excited about bob dole, they were not all that except about john mccain or mitt romney. now you have the former presidents of george h.w. bush and george bush sitting this campaign out. the nominee from 2012 against trump in mitt romney. you have conservatives like eric erickson and many others saying -- i still believe this is on donald trump. i would take you look at the facts and you have a party that is segmented right now. this is a chance to change the narrative. who is going to be your vp pick? there was a strong constitutional conservative that people trust.

i think you would start changing the narrative going into cleveland. i think that is what donald trump needs to do. whether he is disqualified because he is hispanic or any , more and more fuel every day. any republican who is running for president or even thinking about running for president -- you talk about wanting a strong conservative party to come together. i'm not going to ask you for one name as your pick. who would do that for you as far as donald trump choosing them between now even in the beginning or potentially during the republican convention? you are doing is looking at characteristics. i'm not sure a guy like that

like ted cruz would except that position. donald trump is good about the art of the deal. could he bring some elect ted cruz on who basically balances them out where there are trust issues, whether there are intelligent issues, getting things done in washington. two rivals teamed up. if not ted cruz, what about scott walker? somebody who is actually going to be ready to leave on day one. >> my position -- >> he basically suggested ted cruz's father would have been involved in the assassination with john f. kennedy. would ted cruz ever excepted nomination?

>> i also have a different opinion. let him stand on his own two feet. what the government should be like and look like. him -- he has to explain to me what his conservative principles are. in the last month we have seen republican leader after republican leader abandoned the trump campaign. we need to stop it, that is why we are doing this. narrative,es the isn't he accused of being a flip flop by the democrats? >> i don't know what you mean by him changing the narrative. he stands on some issues i don't

know what narrative there is to change. the republican party is the party of a representative form of government. party -- and delegates need to be freed up at the convention to nominate the very best candidates to defeat hillary clinton. if they decide it not donald trump than so be it. >> instead of having a party that is fragmented and being divided, actually start coming together, a leader's job is to cast a vision so we know what it is our -- we know what it is they are following. who you put around you is very keen. the people that hillary clinton is going to put around here -- put around her, we don't want to see executing the policies for the administrative rules.

we want to know who donald trump is going to put around himself. that can give some assurance as to people who are being very queasy right now. i hope and pray and wish him the best and encourage him. delegatesaying the have to be willing to put everything on the table to let mr. trump -- >> can i step back for a minute and ask you how essentially i got to your question. you are actively looking for him to make big changes. who would you plain forgetting here -- who would you blame forgetting here? -- blame for getting here? >> what mr. trump has done, he has been very good at tapping into the emotion of american people.

the elected officials over the last 20 years are probably the reason -- he has tapped into the motions -- into the emotions. they want new leadership, bold leadership. and he definitely offers that. the media has been very favorable to trump in this nomination process. speeche he was to give a , there may be a blip about ted cruz, about mike huckabee. primarily the focus was on donald trump. >> who is responsible for where we are at this point? >> he said give us control of congress, we are going to cut the size of government and restore republican values. then they came back and said we can't do it without the senate.

the republican party has been .otally demoralized donald trump has tapped into that. i don't believe he would ever to any of those things anyway, but he has taken advantage of this settlement. republican leadership is now leading the charge with donald trump. quite interesting. this is all about the fair use of the republican party. is guy who is responsible donald trump himself. in terms of the explosion of this grassroots movement to free up the delegates. a phone call tonight from donald trump, he is going to give a speech saying on monday he wants to know what he should say. what would you tell him? i would say cast a vision, a vision we can trust and can

execute on. one that is going to be conservative, it is going to be in the best interest of america. these are people i'm going to start putting around myself. you can rest assured that the supreme court justices are going to be scalia-like. that on june does 21 he may be able to ease some fears. >> since you are advising to movement, if you don't get to a point where you unbind the delegates, what is the strategy? >> i'm going to take it one step at a time. up on the amendment of the rules committee. that allows the

rules committee to vote on the delegates for the first ballot. if we going to the convention, donald trump says i'm a leader here. without the delegates, that would be a great thing. maybe donald trump will win that nomination. if we go through the system as looking toink we're a cold for years with the republican party. >> let me ask you the same sort of question. we come out of the convention, let's assume donald trump is the nominee. essentially this is a choice that a lot of republicans will be faced with, duvet off score -- do they off score the law?

how will you approach that question come august, september, october, november? >> either you are going to vote for hillary clinton or you are going to vote for donald trump or you are going to sit it out or write somebody in. be some people, like myself or others, say i want to support trump over hillary clinton. it may even be october before we say we will support donald trump over hillary clinton. game if henge the does things we're lining out here. and if he starts assuring conservatives how he is going to bring us together versus fighting us -- versus dividing us apart. to say at least he's better than hillary, that is not the bar we are looking for.

>> exactly. i have heard from too many years that conservatives in the republican party have no choice. you take the back seat, you have no choice. and i heard that again from mitch mcconnell a couple of weeks ago. about howaring a lot we want to donald trump to tell us ahead of the convention who was going where so that most people can control on trump. i don't want a republican president who needs to be controlled. i want a republican president who has a clear articulate a vision for the future of this country and has a team who can put together this vision. them a we have to leave it there. bob vander plaats and steve lonegan. thank you for being a part of this week's newsmaker. both of you asked the question

how broad is this anti-trump movement. what are you hearing? the answer was pretty accurate and interesting. size of thatthe movement depends entirely on donald trump, and it probably is growing. it has grown through the month of june. there was an opening after mid-may where he started to see polls with republicans coalescing around trump. he is right that there are certainly, there is slippage for trump support. how broad it is, i don't actually know. we see and signs of it from his see anecdotal signs of it from his movement. , october, a lot of that .lippage may come back to trump

there is a movement out there, i can't tell you how big it is and i definitely can't tell you how big it will become november. it will be come november. greta: when they go to the convention and try this unbind delegates, how difficult will that be? steven: this will not just be a vote on whether or they not -- whether or not they want donald trump to be the republican nominee. they are voting for crossing donald trump, basically, and all we have seen from that during the primary season and where that gets you -- they are voting for what could end up being ks on the convention -- chaos on the convention for in cleveland. or maybe what is worse for the republican party -- donald trump is the nominee by acclamation, or